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Tuesday, June 17, 2008
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
When Young People Get Excited
by Dennis Prager
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We regularly hear about Barack Obama's appeal to youth, about how he has been able to excite and mobilize a generation of young people to become politically involved, his rare ability to excite young people, and about how many new voters will register (and vote Democrat) as a result.

All this seems to be true. The question, however, is whether it is a good thing for the country and not just for Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

The answer is that it probably is not. With a few exceptions -- and those exceptions are usually those rare cases when young people confront dictatorships -- when youth get involved in politics in large numbers, it is not a good thing.

Of course, there are those who believe that the mass movement of America's young people in the late 1960s and early 1970s was a great thing for America -- a bright shining example of young people mobilized against an unjust war and on behalf of a world filled with love.

If that is how one views the legacy of the baby boomer generation, the mobilization of youth for Obama is probably a great -- not to mention nostalgia-inducing and personally validating -- development.

For those of us who view the late '60s and '70s as the beginning of a downward spiral for American society, however, the mobilization of many young people on behalf of Barack Obama is not encouraging. It is only the latest example of young people getting excited as a result of their unique combination of naivete, lack of wisdom, romantic idealism and narcissism.

Most adults throughout history have recognized that young people are likely to be unwise given their minuscule amount of life experience. After all, most adults, even among baby boomers, believe that they themselves are wiser today than 10 years ago, let alone than when they were 20 years old. It is remarkable, then, how often adults romanticize youth involvement in politics -- "Isn't it heartwarming to see young people getting involved?"

Actually, for a wise adult, it is not heartwarming.

Most thoughtful observers now regard the massive youth demonstrations in France in 1968 as the narcissistic explosions that they were. As French columnist Jean-Claude Guillebaud (Le Nouvel Observateur) wrote recently in the New York Times on the 40th anniversary of those demonstrations:

"I lived through May '68. I was a 24-year-old graduate student and a journalist who covered the revolt, during which students armed with cobblestones battled the police, and 10 million workers went on strike. … To borrow an expression of Lenin's, we were useful idiots."

As regards the positive views of those events held by French elites -- just as American elites hold the '60s and '70s mobilization of American youth in awe -- Guillebaud continued:

"This generation of baby boomers largely controls the news media and cultural life. The majority of broadcast chiefs and newspaper, magazine and book publishers and senior editors 'did' May '68. They are simply indulging their own nostalgia. The boomers … are first and foremost celebrating their own youth."

The same holds true about the idealization of a politically involved young generation here in America. The politically activist baby boomers were "useful idiots" here, too.

They were a major, perhaps the major, factor in America withdrawing from the Vietnam War. And if one believes that the American attempt to prevent South Vietnam from falling under Communist totalitarian rule was an immoral, imperialist venture, then America's young people were terrific. Likewise, if one believes that the movement toward having college students help shape college curricula was a good thing, then the youth movement of that time was a boon to education. But if one believes that America's defeat in Vietnam was unnecessary, and that it led to unspeakable atrocities in Southeast Asia, to a greatly weakened America and to a revived Left; and if one believes that college education in the liberal arts has deteriorated since then, enabling students to obtain college degrees with little knowledge of history and of Western civilization, let alone increased wisdom, then the youth movement of the '60s and '70s was a moral, social and political disaster.

Yes, young people were also involved in the civil rights movement. And that was a wonderful thing. But unlike the anti-war movement, which was largely spearheaded by, and relied for its effectiveness on, young people, the civil rights movement did not need massive numbers of young people in order to prevail.

Having been a young person at that time and having watched as my university (Columbia) had its classrooms taken over and teaching interrupted by fellow students; having watched the sexualization of society that followed the "Make Love Not War" generation; having watched America become obsessed with youth rather than wisdom as a result of the "Never Trust Anyone Over 30" mantra of the '60s young people; having seen the myriad speech codes that arose, ironically, out of the "Free Speech" movement at Berkeley and elsewhere; having watched pacifist-like doctrines decimate America's moral compass; having witnessed a selfish preoccupation with an ever increasing number of inherent "rights," with a commensurate devaluing of inherent moral obligations, I, among many others, am not enamored of the '60s and '70s youth movement.

So, forgive me, but I for one am not encouraged by the ecstatic reaction of young people to Barack Obama. The track record of politically excited youth movements in modern Western history is not a good one. And I see no reason why this will prove to be the first major exception.

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Youth and the 1960s
If one considers the changes that occurred in popular music from the 1950s to the 1960s, which one could say without question was as a result of youth movement, I could easily argue the opposite view of this time than the one made by Mr. Prager in his article. There was clearly an exploration of ideas and musical expression that was literally dead in the 1950s that awoke in the 1960s. There may have been a social conscience expressed in obscure folk music field of the 1950s (the Weavers, Pete Seeger). There was Woody Guthrie and a few others. But in general this view of the role of music and lyrics were not mainstream. Folk music, folk rock and rock groups such as the Beetles completely transformed what society was about and what it considered to be important. Mr. Prager may not agree with the anti-Vietnam actions of the youth in the 1960s, but he and his children benefited from change in the quality of the air and the clean-up of our rivers and streams, which I could argue stemmed directly from the youth movements of the 1960s. Young people helped bring Detroit around to the idea of making safe cars (Nader's Raders). I could name many other beneficial changes that occurred in the 1960s as a direct consequence of the actions of young people. It is easy to brand youth as naive, as Mr. Prager, likes to do on a regular basis. It appears to me that Mr. Prager could learn much from our youth. For example, he expresses the view that only humans have true emotions and are truly sentient beings, where as animal behavior is based only on instinct. Children are aware of the true nature of a dog, a cat, which translates into a love for all creatures and our God-given ecosystem. This translates into a concern for preserving nature and our planet. Apparently, this is something the cynical Mr. Prager views as just being naive. Perhaps Mr. Prager needs to listen to the music of the 1960s again.

Obama and MTV
The young sheep are programmed by MTV. MTV has programmed the current teen generation to why wear crack pants and dress like a prostitutes. If they can do this, they certainly can make these sheep vote for anyone including Obama.


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Falicoff
As if rock music was an improvement over classical, or even big band. Or even Black "roots of rock" music in the 50s. Also, from someone who was there, it's "Beatles."

Anyway, I completely agree that the narcissistic Baby Boomers brought a great moral deterioration to this country; and the ones who were not intelligent enough to switch to a conservative view in later adulthood are still giving us grief.

Useful Idiots
Every time I see an Obama appearance, or watch an interview with him, I expect to see some breathless, empty-headed twenty-something ask him "Mr. Obama, boxers or briefs?" Just like Solomon opined, there is nothing new under the sun. We saw the same giddyness exhibited during Bill Clinton's first run for president, as hundreds of thousands of students clamored "its the economy, stupid". The naivete of our youth, and the exploitation of it by folks like AlGore, Obama and others who are encouraging them to "go green" and "think change" is the latest, newest version of it.

I find it odd
that Prager things young people are unsuited to poltiical involvement due to naivte, romanticism, etc. Young people often have a different perspective than older people, it is true, but that does not mean that their perspective is invalid. Keep in mind that these young people are the ones who are starting jobs right now, who are new parents, and who are fighting the war in Iraq.

Agreed Dennis, wrong ages for everything
If we allowed youth to acquire Adult rights on the basis of how much damage they can do to themselves, others, or the United States, this would be the schedule:
Alcohol Purchase: 16
Driver's License: 18
Marriage: 19
Voting (State & Local only): 21
Voting (Congress/President): 25

THINK ABOUT IT - We put cars in the hands of kids that too-often cause tremendous carnage, turn them loose in politics while they are being brainwashed by the leftist universities, but tell them they are too 'immature' to have a beer before they graduate. AREN'T WE STUPID???

But maybe stupider is anyone that would vote for President a green Senator that can't take a little criticism, whose Preacher hates America, and can't do jack if he's not on a teleprompter or with his handlers.

Young people
My problem with the youth of today is that they are indeed all about self, but then that is what the schools have taught them. Self-esteem, self-esteem, self-esteem is all they know. Yet as they enter the work force most of them have little knowledge of any history, true science and read very little. Their knowledge of history is the Hollywood version and they think 9/11 was a conspiracy by the Bush Administration. Without a calculator they can't simple math, and when their register blows they can't figure prices or make change. Their idea of science is evolution and TV is their life-blood. As for their music, it is mostly nihilism.

Yes, we are sending our young people to Iraq, and I don't think we have any business over there any more than we had in Vietnam - we are not the world's police force. The last just war was WWII. But just because our young people are sent to war, that doesn't mean they are qualified to make political decisions.

Until my recent retirement I have worked with many in their 20s and few have any real clue about life, having been pandered to by everyone. I have been in weekly contact with university students for the past 5 years and it is deplorable how naive they are, and how they parrot everything the left preaches.

Obama has nothing to offer this nation but more of the same downhill slide into nihilisic selfism.

The Road to Perdition......
is paved with the asphalt of self-aggrandizment . Correct as usual Dennis . Thanks.

Fact about Prager
Prager says that we who believe that the White House lied us into the war in Iraq are liars.

I have e-mailed Prager and challenged him to an e-mail debate. He has not responded.

If Prager really believed that he would be willing to debate it on his show everyday until the matter is settled.

The fact is, the White House told us things that were contradicted by the intelligence, and they knew it was contradicted by the intelligence.

The energy department, who are THE experts on nuclear issues told the White House that the aluminum tubes were not for centrifuging uranium. The White House told us they were.

The CIA said that the president shouldn't use the intel on Niger because the reporting was weak, the controls on the uranium were too tight and Saddam already had enough yellowcake to make 50 nuclear weapons. The White House told us Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa.

The CIA also told the White House there were no operational ties between Iraq and al Queda. The White House told the public just the opposite.

WHY WON"T PRAGER DEBATE THESE ISSUES?

Phylo out.




Walked down the street of my town
The other day when I walked down the street I saw a 20 year old attractive female i.e. a female who could have looked attractive except that she was bent over, exposing all of her thong underwear, while wearing slacks and when I passed her, I saw that she was sucking on a pacifier. Do I want someone sucking a pacifier to vote? No. Was she suffering from one handicap? Not a medical one.
Every generation likes its own music. However IMO it has gone downhill, from the love songs of the 1950's to songs about ho's.
I like Reggae. Do I like the song "I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy."? No. I prefer Matisyahu who sings religious songs
and decent songs about women "Unique is My Dove" :"On the way into this world, our soul was born in two,Searching for you, I been searching for you. ....One woman for me
Other half of my soul, you're my queen
One woman for me, Other half of my soul, roots of my tree." Matisyahu represents a value system that values God, and which didn't outlaw God in the public square.
Country music which rejected the values of the 60's has produced good music which might last because it addresses issues of human concern.

It is strange that the "make love not war" generation saw itself as so loving when in fact that is not what they expressed at all if you look at them. Similarly, the present young generation that is proud of its "tolerance" won't let anyone speak with a view other than their own. Granted it only takes a few to paint the rest, which may be unfair.





They Are Inspired Because He's Black
There, I said it. Hate me, but it's true.

Throughout our lifetime, we have always had teenagers, heck, we even were teenagers once. Bu what teenagers do you know that went gaga and fainted over Kerry, Dean, Clinton, Carter, and so on?

Years ago, my little white pre-teen nephew who grew up in a leafy suburb and all his buddies tried with all their might to look black, sound black and act black. This was a phase among most suburban white kids and it still exists today beause as they have been learning from TV and music--being white is not hip. Being white means your clumsy, stupid, racist, and uncool.

Now most of these kids with an identity malfunction are old enough to vote, and get their information from pukes like Maher, Moore, and the Daily Report on Comedy Central.

I work with a few of these kids who are now in their early 20's and I hear them raving about Obama. Being the older uncool white woman conservative that I am, I asked them why Obama and what do they like about his policies.

They have no idea....None. After I chuckle at them, because I can't help it, they cry, "Well, Bush ruined this country and only Obama will fix it!!!!"

I ask how.

They have no idea....None. They are simply voting for an identity, a symbol.

Phylo
"WHY WON"T PRAGER DEBATE THESE ISSUES?

Phylo out.


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Because right now, he's writing about teenagers.

It's not Just the Young.
As we move down the road to deciding who can vote, let's look beyond young people. For example, 1/2 the population cannot place the Civil War in the right decade. 80% of the people have no education beyond high school. Further, newspapers long ago recognized that most people do not advance in reading ability and comprehnsion once they leave school - they decline - which is why the standard newspaper writes for those having seven grades of reading comprehension. Most of those same 80% do not have even a basic understanding of economics, nor of government and how it operates. Targetting young people is no more relevant than targetting other classes of Americans. The bottom line is that the majority of people do not have the knowledge, understanding, nor experience, to find and elect suitable representatives. Why, after all, do you think we have McCain and Obama as the two leaders of our two principal parties? Because of the young? Not at all. Because the other 90% who voted selected them. So, what do we do. If you're going to restrict the young from voting, you better restrict a lot more people than just the young - or nothing will change.

The bottom line is that the young would not be an issue, if much of the other 90% actually had the attributes Praeger likes to pretend that they have. But they don't.

In the beginning of this Republic, our founders did not even attempt to pretend that "everyone" could vote. The path this society has taken can be tied directly to the expansion of the "so-called" franchise. The founders understood that voting was a responsibility, and that to be able to vote, people should have a strong vested interested in this country. Today, we let the animals run the zoo.

Useful Idiots
Speaking of useful idiots, we have them right here on TH. se Fiser (Phylo out) is a classic example. He always seems to be suffering from BDS so bad he doesn't make sense with his mindless drivel comments. He is in good company with the almost "Riffed", forced to retire LTC Halbert Doofus-Styne, the Doggg and his darlin' bride -to-be Sophie, Kimberly and Agaki. Dennis always seems to bring out the dregs of society when he posts an article that makes sense to most patriotic Americans.

Hepp us Jon Cary dese idiots who support Obama is gonna git us all cilled

funny
Prager seems to be on an angry Grampa kick.

This one is particularly silly. First it conflates young adults turning out to vote for a candidate with them rioting in the streets. Perhaps young Americans are just too naive to think there is a relevant difference between voting and rioting. Fortunately Prager is old enough to know better.

And many of his criticisms of the 60's generation concern not what they did as young adults, but what they did when they got older. So, surprise surprise, what Prager really objects to is that they disagree with him politically. How dare people have different views.

I suppose if one really thinks the world would be a better place if we were still occupying Vietnam, then this commentary might make some sense.

But Prager is way off in thinking that youth activism was not essential for the civil rights movement. (As usual he leaves off equality for women which he doesn't seem to see as a plus). It is precisely the younger generation for whom such prejudices do not seem as natural which makes such transitions possible. We are seeing the same thing today with attitudes towards homosexuality. People Prager's age, even many democrats, oppose equal rights for gay people, while younger people are puzzled by such attitudes.

But it really is the equating of young people voting for Obama with french teens rioting in the '60s which makes this column an effective bit of comedy.

In Defense of the Young
As the 20-something child of baby boomer parents, I have to agree that we were handed a very mucked up situation from the social changes of the Boomer generation (which we are still dealing with as they are in leadership now).

I'd like to defend us however. Don't ignore the effect Ron Paul had with young people. An overwhelming amount of us are pro-life and small government.

Thank you, Observe1234 for defending us as well. I, too have friends defending our country in Iraq.

To Martha, please don't toss us all in the same "MTV Generation" trash can. There are a great number of us dedicated to solid conservative principles and who haven't caved to naive but popular liberalism.

Phylo
One reason Prager has not dropped to his knees and worshipped at your feet as you appear to think he should once he recognizes your "genius" is that he discussed this issue ad nauseum when it was the news and he does not want bore his audience to death like you are boring us. I believe Plane's husband was Wilson and Wilson's report could be read on the internet. I read it. Did you? Wilson absolutely refers to Iraq having sent to Niger buyers for Niger's exports. Niger's exports are onion, garlic and yellowcake. Yes I know that you think Iraq had to absolutely go to Niger to buy onions and garlic but the rest of us conservative nut jobs actually come to the conclusion that Iraq buyers were there to buy yellowcake. Yes Wilson did not know what he was reporting because he did not know what he was doing which is why the fact that "he only got the job because his wife pushed it" is relevant to the whole discussion. This is why some of us actually feel badly that a man who had devoted himself to public service, Scooter Libby, had his life destroyed over making the statement.

Plus I feel that even if Prager bought the time on radio for 24 hours and played you the tapes of his discussion on the issue where he answers each point, my guess is that if you were strapped to a chair and forced to listen you still would not hear. Your ears are censored by your brain as in "DO NOT LISTEN PHYLO. YOU MIGHT BE FORCED TO THINK." It is called cognitive dissonance and people do a lot to avoid it.

Glen Chatfield
Well you disagree with Prager. Prager believes we have to be the world's policemen like it or not because if not us then who? It has to be a country that has values. What country compares to the US? None. Yes it is a pain. Yes it is not fair. Prager is coming from Old Testament values that say "do not stand idly by while the blood of your fellow man(person) is spilled."

Prager: False Premise Mired in Jealousy
first of all Mr. Pragers premise for this article is downright stupid.

What he is saying in so many words is that young people, excited and motivated by Dem prez nominee Sen. Barack Obama, to participate in the election process are not intelligent or mature enough to make that decision/choice and are doing so strictly on the "charismatic star power" of Sen. Obama. that is a ridiculous assumption to make. Has Mr. Prager actually talked to any of the young supporters of Sen. Obama? I think not, he mentions not a single one in this article so it stands to reason that he is "guessing" as to why young people are attracted to a Obama prez candidacy and basically doesnt know what the heck he is talking about.

If you also read carefully between the line of articles like this and other like minded right wing pundits, there is a very palpable sense of jealousy that the repubs/cons DONT have a charasimatic candidate that inspires young people and older adults who have previously shunned the political process, turned off by the years of partisan infighting in washington, d.c. Repub nominee Sen. McCain has the charima of and old shoe and inspires no one,least of all the right wing conservative base which detest him.

So let the Mr. Pragers continue to spew their venemous hatred and negativity toward Dem Prez nominee Sen. Obama...what they dont understand about the young people is how they are voluntering for him in the thousands without pay and are being sent to regions all over the u.s. to organize and campaign for him. and get this repub/cons:with the results of recent special elections, a great deal of them are being sent to typically repub/con red states. I wonder why that is?

One more bit of irony...
I am more than willing to bet you that if these
"young people" were "inspired, motivated and fired up" about repub prez nominee mccain..prager would be singing their praises and lauding them without a doubt? lmao

Sometimes young people get it right
When I was young, a man came on the scene who was charismatic and bold. He railed against the Washington establishment and talked about a bright future for my country.

He got me excited about politics and he persuaded me and an entire generation of idealistic, disillusioned young people to follow him. I was so excited that in my first opportunity to participate in a Presidential election, I had the opportunity to vote for such a great man.

His name was Ronald Wilson Reagan... and Barak Obama, you are no Reagan!

Leph Tangle
Did Prager consult with any of the 20-somethings? I don't know. I do know that there have been plenty of interviews in the media with supporters of The Obamessiah, and what Prager says truly reflects the majority of what I have seen.

McCain has negative charisma. I doubt many would argue that. The question it begs is "so what?"

Forgive me, but Hitler had tons of charisma - did that make him better qualified as a leader?

Why are the Ozombies being sent to the typically red states? Umm, I think to campaign. People tend to do that before elections. What's your point?

Right Angle
Left angle, you are the naive and the one who is guessing. Do you honestly believe that young people who are coming out to vote for Huessein Obama have any clue about his Marxist intentions or his lack of national defense intelligence. I am 31 myself and a Marine Corps veteran. For all my young years at Berkeley I could also spew out the same liberal mantras that I was taught-- this did not make me an educated voter. Only since serving my country for the last 8 years have I gained some perspective and through educating myself. Intellectual thinkers like Thomas Sowell and Dennis Prager are tough for you to swallow because you hope they're not right. Young people, who see Presidential elections as analogous to American Idol are not great voters. They are great for liberal's because they are coming right out of their horribly inept, liberal miseducation. A perfect time to vote for a liberal candidate. Left angle, try reading "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Sowell and see how well educated you truly are (or were in college), it's eye opening. But alas, Obama may in fact win because as you rightly pointed out, conservative's are not excited about McCain because...hmmm... he's not conservative. But we'll take the lesser of two evils. Barak's going to create more "social programs" than Oceania and I intend to keep big brother off my back--liberal or conservative. Live free or die.

Young people aren't smart
That's why they vote for people like Obama and McCain.

If young people had any sense they would vote for the true conservative in this campaign, Bob Barr!

McCain may talk a good game, but when he gets into office do you really think he's going to follow through on the conservative agenda?

Heck no!

Bob Barr is the smart choice for conservatives.

Bob Barr isn't concerned about how Hollywood and the MSM talk about him.

Bob Barr will restore conservative values to their rightful place in this society.

If you're sick of McCain and Obama and if you're sick of having no good choices this election

Vote Bob Barr in 08

This old broad.....
..... is excited about Obama, too, Mr. Prager.

I was excited about JFK in 1960 and very excited about Barry Goldwater in 1964.

Looking back, I realize our country did not deserve either of those two men: we got exactly what we deserved.

I look forward to an America that actually deserves a leader as articulate and thoughtful as Barack Obama.

Prager nails it -
My generation is a disgrace - a self-centered, lazy, know-it-all, arrogant, selfish bunch of jerks - Their self-indulgence has cheapened the culture of the USA for sure. Their Liberal crap has brought us generations of people who want everything done for them - big government control and naive misunderstanding of the purpose of life and the absolute need to protect our freedom, regardless the cost. These are the idiots who won't serve their country, just bash it - who declare the USA mean-spirited and hollow, but play the "get it for myself" game, but discourage others from doing so - who play identity politics and look down on hardworking Americans - all rolled up in Obama and his bitter, angry, self-serving, ignorant wife, the hateful Soros, the baby-diapered Ayers, the ridiculous and downright stupid Wright and Pfleger, the tin-maiden Saradon, the People magazine media -
Americans who don't buy their hollowness better stand up.

WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE GET EXCITED

.....Give them a room and a condom? ...

.....Re: The student protests during Vietnam ...the following is an excerpt from "The Naked Communist" by Skousen ...

...19. Use student riots to foment public protests
against programs or organizations which are under
Communist attack.

.....Just another step in the Marx/Engles formula for revolution ...The students protesters were Lenin's useful idiots .....COLOSSUS

KING LIBERAL #28

.....IGNORANCE? .....COLOSSUS

My Pet Goat
"I look forward to an America that actually deserves a leader as articulate and thoughtful as Barack Obama."

You have perfectly illustrated why Obama doesn't deserve to be America's president. We are not voting for an American Idol contestant or Prom King. "Articulate and thoughtful" are the only two prominent Obama character traits we keep hearing over and over ad nauseam, but these are weak attributes for the job of America's president. We need to elect a president with experience, intelligence, courage, wisdom, and honesty. Obama has repeatedly demonstrated he has none of these traits.

King O' Fools
One might ask why millions of Americans are voting for McCain. It is as stupid a question as why millions are voting for Obama.

The GOP is about wedge issues? News flash: Both parties play with the truth and do their best to divide and conquer. Pot, meet kettle, as the overused saying goes. Calling McCain "the old world octegenarian" might be construed as being divisive on your part.

Age doesn't equate to wisdom, 'tis true. See Pet Goat's comments for an example.

Hmm
Prager seems to be trying hard to prove he is the ultimate fuddy-duddy. Yes, young people can be foolish. Only time can produce wisdom. Yes, young people can be passionate, but that passion also drives them to enlist in the military.

What is Prager really saying here and what is he suggesting? I don’t like the look of it. Young people are volatile but at a certain point they are entrusted with full rights and responsibilities. The future is theirs just as it once was ours.

King Liberal: 3 questions for you
Then answer me this:

1. Why is Obama a more viable, stable, trustworthy, experienced leader than Edwards, or Hillary, or Kucinich, or any of the other dem candidates?

(I don't want to hear charisma or that he speaks well either as a reason. My gym teacher had charisma and spoke well, but he couldn't run this country no more than he couldn't make whiny kids stop crying from dodge ball.)

2. If he were a run of the mill white guy running on the same resume with the same friends, do you think he would honestly be the top ticket out of all your qualified and experienced dems?

3. Why did he seem to get all the press, all the glory, all the fawning more than any of the other qualified and experienced dem candidates?

You know the answer to each one of those questions, and it's the same answer.

Young Fools
I have a 32 year old son-in-law who lives with his mother and father and plays video games for hours. He is representative of a generation who refuses to grow up, get married, have children and embrace the obligations of life.

Why any adult ever gave an 18 year old the right to vote or even a 21 year old is beyond me. Tying voting rights to the age of 25 and property ownership or taxes would be wiser, still.

Shells
Nice post, and I'll echo your comments. Being the father of a 19 and 17 year old, and living in an extremely blue state, I have had numerous opportunities to speak to some of their friends who are young Obamatons. I always ask them the same question, "Why do you think Obama would make a good president?"
Every single one of them have replied, "He's for change!" I've asked them to expound on this, but they just give me blank stares. I honestly don't know if I should laugh or cry.


For Some Reason
The Left in this country think ALL Young People are possessed of Genius Levels of Intelligence, Critical Thinking Ability, Sophistication and Decision Making Ability. ANYONE who looks back at their own twenties or looks at the current crop of twenty somethings and says they posess ANY of these qualities is a LIAR!

WF
I assume you are not saying that music was bland and unmoving before the 60s. Yes, there was a lull in the 50s where music became kind of vanilla, but such down periods exist all through history.

That said, we can find a treasure trove of magnificent music that pre-dates the 60s as I am sure you would agree.

As for the Beatles, I am sorry, I never understood the universal trend of raising those young men from Liverpool to almost god-like heights. They were good, but people look back on them as if they single handedly changed the face of music, when there were other good revolutionary bands who existed at the same time.

As for the power of youth, I have mixed feelings about that. Certainly there were youth movements that helped to change America, but then, as now, the only youth our leaders pay much attention to are those who are old enough to vote. The rest tend to be pretty much ignored.

leapt tangle
That was a bit of a jump, wasn't it? In your mind, someone taking an opposing point of view must be a hater. What I said was that charisma is not a valid reason to assume someone will be a good leader. If you think that means I'm comparing Obama and Hitler, that is your mental illness.

As to the idea that a lot of states may be in play this time around, I agree. That's what makes all this interesting. But the presence of the Obamabots is certainly no gaurantee of turning anyone. It tends to get the conservative base that much more fired up.

The Faux News comment is so lame - the fact that they continually kick butt in the ratings should tell you where the sentiments of a majority of Americans are. I know that brings up your rage level, but the numbers are a little difficult to explain otherwise.

I work with a set of 20-somethings who are very smart, have their heads on straight about a lot of things - but when you ask what Obama has done, and why they think he would be a good Pres, all you get are blank stares and a lot of, 'um, well, er...' Sounds like Obama when he tries to speak without a teleprompter.

Perfect Quote
Just dawned on me, this could be Obama's statement to the American voter...."You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, justice, fortitude and temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues...Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, courage, perhaps not on the battlefield, but there are many forms of courage....But none of my virtues were on your list."
Commodus, from the film Gladiator

America's response (obviously paraphrased):
"Your faults as the democrat candidate is our failure as a country"

bob
I think the Beatles deserve the credit they get. They became unbelievably popular playing good versions of the formulaic music of the time. They could have made their fortune riding that tradition. Instead they continually pushed the boundaries.

I remember reading an interview with Keith Richards at which he talked about being at a party where their manager told him that now the Beatles are writing their own songs, so you guys have to too. Richards claims he wrote "As Tears Go By" in a backroom at that party in response. Similarly Brian Wilson felt the need to shake up the beach boys formula in response to what the Beatles were doing.

In part it was a result of their earlier popularity, but the idea that people couldn't just keep following the old formulas really was a response to the fact that the Beatles had not simply stuck with what made them rich and famous.

Things have changes so much in music since that it is hard to remember that the early beach boys stuff was considered revolutionary when it came out. So the Beatles stuff looks quaint in retrospect, but it really did change how rock musicians saw themselves.

Left Angle
I know you think it's cute to use "Faux News", but just to educate you, faux is pronounced 'foh' and doesn't work as a homophone. Try again.

RuleTopia
So your impuning an entire generation because of your lazy son in law? What would tying voting rights to the age of 25 do, if someone is too lazy to move out of the parents house and get a job by the age of 32 then I highly doubt that voting ranks very high on their list of things to do that day.

Think for a minute about what you are advocating. You are saying that young adults should have no say in who their elected leaders are, those same leaders who have the ability to send them to war.

I agree that their are many many ignorant teenagers with a voters registration card, but unfortunatly lack of ignorace is not a prerequisite. Maybe instead of an age requirement, voters should have to reach a certain score on an IQ test, but that may not be good for the conservative cause either.

Youthful naivete and lack of perspective
Prager is spot on here. I spend about an hour a day on Youtube which is overwhelmingly 20-something and overwhelmingly pro-Obama. What disturbs me most is the degree of fanaticism I see there. These kids are intelligent, but they're naive and lack experience; consequently they tend to see complex issues in simplistic terms. Being young, everything happening is happening to them for the fist time and they can't grasp that the nation has been through similar events before.

shells
I am not King Liberal, but I can try to answer your question. The Democrats ran a number of good candidates this time round. I think most of them would have made decent presidents.

Obama has a few strengths over the others. First, he recognized the foolishness of the Iraq war in advance which is the best time to recognize such things. Getting out of Iraq is difficult. Seeing how foolish it was to get in should not have been.

Obama is not particularly radical, unlike a Kucinich I don't expect him to pull out of Iraq without consideration about how best to leave. But he does recognize that our not talking with foreign powers has been a consistent failure as a foreign policy.

He has shown an ability to work with conservative senators like Lugar and Coburn. But he does not confuse this for arguing for moderate policies for the sake of moderation, which would be silly. He also, as his Reagan remarks showed, recognize that this is a potentially transformative election. A candidate that did not recognize that, as Clinton clearly didn't, would not be in a position to take advantage of it.

I don't know if these things are true of your gym teacher as well. But if there were then maybe he would have made a better president than you think.

conserv guy: a response
there have been quite a few political leaders that posessed charisma, such as jfk and ronald raygun and others...out of all of them to compare obama to YOU brought up HITLER...so that wasnt done by design? sure youre right..lol

if the sentiments of most americans are with conservatives who watch faux news, why are dems in control of congress and about to take the white house too?

I know some 20 to 30 year olds just as you say and they can articulate why they think obama will be a good prez...maybe youre just talking to the wrong individuals.

mccain is a mumbler.

Contributions by young people
Steve Jobs was 23 years old when he invented the Apple II personal computer in 1978. That started the modern personal computer revolution, which is now a multi-hundred-billion-dollar a year industry.

Tim Berners-Lee was 25 years old when he invented HTML, the language for coding Internet web pages, in 1990.

Larry Page was 23 years old, when he invented Google, the world's premier Internet search facility, in 1996.

The entire Internet and computer revolution, on which THIS very blog Townhall.com depends, was created by young, rebellious hackers who saw it as a revolt against the "establishment" companies like IBM.

In that sense, the young generation really did change the whole world. It's why we're communicating this way, here on Townhall, instead of on Selectric typewriters and U.S. mail. It's how the whole world works now.

Could Dennis Prager have pulled off such a technological miracle?

for Left Angle
I remember the early 1980s. President Reagan was quite popular among young people. In fact, back then, you could hear "It's cool to be a conservative"--maybe not on Eastern liberal-arts campuses or at Berkeley, but certainly in the smaller heartland colleges.

As for why the Dems are doing so well now, it's not necessarily because the country has moved to the left. It's because Bush failed to accomplish the goal he set for himself: Putting al-Qaeda out of business. Instead, the Iraq misadventure and the failure to eradicate al-Qaeda in Pakistan has resulted in the Republicans having no foreign policy to offer the American people except perpetual war and permanent security measures here at home. As well as having driven up the price of oil and driven down the value of the dollar. No wonder the public ain't buying it.

I'm a political conservative myself, but even I can't defend a track record like that to my neighbors.

Good points, SteveL...
...but the writer is not saying that young people have never made great discoveries or inventions.

Rather, his point is that the track record of "mass political movements" led by large numbers of young people in Western Civilization does not have a very good track record.

One can argue that case, but that is the case which the writer is trying to make.

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

Unfortunately...
...it isn't just excited young people. Many old hippies never grew up. A large percentage of the most radical among them took root in colleges and universities where they continue as professors to spread the doctrine of "anti-establishmentarianism" to one generation after another. (Bill Ayers is but one example) Some, of course, became lawyers-slash-politicians or social workers or journalists.

None of them ever gave up the socialist ideals that drove them in their youth, so they are as excited as all of those they have so thoroughly immersed in their version of the truth.

Icedog
"We need to elect a president with experience, intelligence, courage, wisdom, and honesty. Obama has repeatedly demonstrated he has none of these traits."

Really? I suppose you felt GW had these traits or you wouldn't have voted him in twice. How's that working for you?

Young people need good jobs
Why are young people excited about Obama?

What specific Obama policies will help create good high paying jobs in the USA?

Will raising taxes on ANY business create good jobs or will businesses outsource more good high paying jobs overseas where taxes are lower?

Or do young people think that Obama will take care of them somehow by raising taxes on the rich?

If they think raising taxes on the rich will create more high paying jobs here in the USA, can they give us a single example of how this works?

God help us this year. Both Obama and McCain are economic midgets and don't understand how good high paying jobs are created.


george washington/ stevel.
g.w.:

no the point Prager is trying to make is that young people that are excited by sen obama are immature and charmed by his "charisma and they dont have the intelligence or experience to make sound choice. the irony is that he would say the exact opposite thing if they were "excited" by repub nominee mccain.

steveL:

I agree with you 100% on why dems are doing better recently, but you know all politics
in the u.s. occurs in cycles. so dont fret, lol

I am never surprised....
when I see a talking head, right or left, talking out their tails. I have come to fully expect that the Prager's and Hannity's of the world are as full of nonsense as the Franken's and Moore's. I enlisted in the army when I was 19. Vietnam was over by about 3 or 4 years but my father was a multi tour soldier and I felt the need to serve my country. After 20 years I had no regrets and retired. Prager though is what we refer to as a sideline player. He was apparently all for Vietnam and he showed his support by going to college around the world while my father and others were fighting the war he so supported. Isn't it amazing how many talking heads will proclaim their support of the military by staying out of it and never actually getting their hands dirty? Prager and his ilk were for it and didn't want to fight it. As hard as it is to say the Frankens of the world were against it and avoided it. At least they were honest. Prager could have really shown a pair and volunteered. His words about the effect of youth on Vietnam would ring less hollow. You don't have to be a vet to articulate a position on military issues but you damn sure can't talk about what effect a generation had on the war when you sat it out while playing intramural tennis. I dislike Franken and Moore's positions as much as the next guy but it makes me want to throw up when I see these cheerleaders for war who didn't have the sack to stand up when they had their chance. We may vote for the same person but the Prager's and Rush' of the world are about as appealing to me as Olberman or Rhodes. They all have a book to sell that is based on division meanwhile they do nothing to actually fight the fight. They are all talk. Disgusting. To all the vets out there, home or abroad, past and present, I raise a cold one to you. We did it the honorable way.

Phylo...............
PU-LEEZE get some new material. Beyond the idea that most of your "facts" are all conjecture (aren't all "facts" the liberals use in their arguements conjecture, or something they heard on the the Daily Kos?), WMD weren't the main reason we went to Iraq. Of the seven reasons listed, I think WMD was number five.

King Liberal
How can you disagree with what I said, when all I did was ask you questions? Tell me, how can you disagree with a question, when it's you who gives the answer you deem fit.

If this race isn't about race, then you can easily field every question intelligently and openly. Remove color from your mind, and answer them. I know any Ron Paul fan can easily pepper me with a million answers for each question because they know their candidate. So, if Obama isn't simpyl a symbol, prove it to me, sway me, show me.

Here are those questions again for you, please try:

1. Why is Obama a more viable, stable, trustworthy, experienced leader than Edwards, or Hillary, or Kucinich, or any of the other dem candidates?

(I don't want to hear charisma or that he speaks well either as a reason. My gym teacher had charisma and spoke well, but he couldn't run this country no more than he couldn't make whiny kids stop crying from dodge ball.)

2. If he were a run of the mill white guy running on the same resume with the same friends, do you think he would honestly be the top ticket out of all your qualified and experienced dems?

3. Why did he seem to get all the press, all the glory, all the fawning more than any of the other qualified and experienced dem candidates?

You know the answer to each one of those questions, and it's the same answer.

Lon
You did a fine job. Thank you.

You actually have keen knowledge of his policies and were able to present them without using charisma or speaks well.

King Liberal could not and would not field those questions because for him, it truly does come down to Obama being a symbol and not what he presents, because honestly, he doesn't know half of what you do.

Now, I still don't like Obama, I don't like any democrats, but you did a fine job answering for him.

King Liberal is like most of the Obama voter's in my opinion: they know very little of what they're getting, whether it's good or bad, it's just the symbolism he represents.


Race issue
Am I the only one that thinks Obama is the first mixed race candidate and NOT a black candidate, since I do believe that his mother was white?

And those 'young' folks enamored with Obama? Yes, I do believe that you are being brainwashed when you think a radical socialist is the best person to be the President of the United States.

Prager is absolutely right
How dare us young people (-30 yo) exercise our constitutional right to help determine the policies that will effect our lives more than those older than us and for which we will bear the brunt of the financial burden? Shame on us.
Sarcasm off.
This is just ridiculous. Instead of proposing ways to get young people on his 'side', Prager, and others on this thread, simply laments their involvement. To those of you offering up anecdotal examples of encounters with young Obama supporters, I have a question: how did you react to them? Did you roll your eyes, sigh, and 'weep for the future' or 'chuckle, because you couldn't help it'? Or did you actually try to illustrate how a conservative agenda would be beneficial to them. What about your own children? Are they being indoctrinated by the leftists at college? Whose fault is it if they are, but your own? I guess it must be the mainstream media's fault, right? But younger generations utilize alternative media (like they one we are using right now) far more than their elders, so that seems like a bogus excuse too.
Maybe, instead of dismissing them as 'useful idiots', you could actually try to promote the virtues of conservatism to younger generations. You might be surprised at how much easier it is to get someone to accept your message when you're not calling them stupid.

Shells
King Liberal has been asked hundreds of questions on this site, and he has never answered any of them....he can't. He will never answer your questions regardless of how many times you may ask....but I bet this is something you already knew.

Kevin
It is a fact that Obama is the product of mixed parentage. Another fact is that since one of his parents is a member of the black race, the world (America, in particular)sees him as a black man. Have any doubts? Just ask any klan member.


shells
Not having good reasons for ones political decisions is not something that is unique to the young or to Obama voters for that matter. Most voters go off of feelings rather than deep studies of the issues.

There was at least one recent book arguing this is a good thing, and that are quick impressions tend to be better than our thought out ones. As a former Philosophy professor I certainly hope not. But certainly as a democracy we depend on certain feature of balancing out leaving the better candidates on top.

And being able to communicate is not as unimportant as you suggest. It takes a certain kind of clear headedness to be able to organize ones ideas well enough to give a good speech. And while some candidates don't write their speeches, Obama appears to write the most important of his himself. Additionally, in a democracy a leader needs to be able to communicate to actually accomplish things. It is not unimportant that Reagan was known as the great communicator.

From a democratic perspective, if most of the candidates agree about most of the issues, the fact that Obama can get them across with more support is not a trivial reason to prefer him.

King Liberal
We don't even let kids in the neighborhood babysit our kids anymore unless they've gone through a training. Why would we hand the presidency of the US the most powerful nation in the world to an untested inexperienced person, Black or white, male or female?




Lionheart
Please indulge me for a minute....let's say for the sake of argument that Obama wins the next election. Would you please paint me a mental picture of the America of 2012?
Please include the economy, taxes, employment, foreign affairs, poverty, and healthcare.

This request is also open to any of the liberals posting here...I'm just trying to understand what you think is going to happen after four years of Obama at the helm.

Lon
"It takes a certain kind of clear headedness to be able to organize ones ideas well enough to give a good speech."

I agree with your statement - in regards to impromptu speaking, but extemporaneous speeches (Obama’s forte) require little to no ‘quick wit’ or ability to organize and think on your feet. Have you seen Obama when he deviates from the prepared script or tries to speak on the fly? ...he makes GWB look like Winston Churchill. Why do you think his handlers want to keep debates to the absolute minimum?

Lionheart
"It is a fact that Obama is the product of mixed parentage. Another fact is that since one of his parents is a member of the black race, the world (America, in particular)sees him as a black man. Have any doubts? Just ask any klan member."

....or a liberal.

The power of movements
I think I remember you from the sixties. Weren't you the guy that supported the deaths of our troops, the Vietnamese and the south east asians because we were stopping communism. The dominoes were poised to fall all the way to the US (like, let's fight them there so we don't have to fight them here).
What's more precious than human life? Your warped views of patriotism. After all, there's nothing more beautiful than a flag draped coffin, is there?
I seem to recall that you thought blacks didn't deserve civil rights becasue of all the rioting they did. You liked Nixon a lot, too, didn't you.
There's a reason why guys like you were out of the mainstream. It's the same reason why you're (and your ilk) are still out of the mainstream.
Love your intellectual depth.

Maybe
The vote should be back to the way it was intended...not for everyone, but everyone with an actual stake in the success of this country, property owners.
Funny how things change when your not living off the system, or too young to be part of it yet...some can afford to be strictly ideologically driven, others, who are busy working to support the entitlements and send kids to failing public schools know better.

Young Ignorant Voters
Think about it. Most of these young voters who have been thoroughly brainwashed and dumbed down by the public school system that they were mandated to attend. Now, they have a right to vote and after years and years of brainwashing and leftist teachings by teachers who were intellectually dis-honest and never stood up for one decent thing for fear of being reprimanded by their union or their supervisors, these young, ignorant, illiterate, and misguided youth are voting. Voting in record numbers for who? Obama, of course, because this is the sort of brainwashing they have received in public schools. This writer was teaching at a large suburban high school during the OJ Simpson trial. There were Leftist Teachers in this school who suspended classes everyday during the OJ trial, and they and their students watched the OJ trial instead of doing school work. Then, when the verdict was handed down, There was a celebration as if they had just won the Super Bowl. Nobody cared whether he was guilty or innocent, Just Happy he was Acquitted. It was turned into a Racial Thing and nobody cared if he was guilty. Now, the Obama thing is just about like that. Nobody cares about His Beliefs, His Ideas, His Credentials, His Abilites, No, they just care about the Novelty--First Black Man Running For President. Liberalism has reduced us to this. The Public School System is complicit in this Treachery. Vote No To Obama--Not because he is Black. Vote No Because He Is a Dangerous Individual, and Allowing Mis Informed adolescents the right to vote is Dangerous. There was a good reason in the past for having literacy laws for voting rights.

Jerome Ennis, A Patriot in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Ignorant Brainwashed Voters
Think about it. Most of these young voters who have been thoroughly brainwashed and dumbed down by the public school system that they were mandated to attend. Now, they have a right to vote and after years and years of brainwashing and leftist teachings by teachers who were intellectually dis-honest and never stood up for one decent thing for fear of being reprimanded by their union or their supervisors, these young, ignorant, illiterate, and misguided youth are voting. Voting in record numbers for who? Obama, of course, because this is the sort of brainwashing they have received in public schools. This writer was teaching at a large suburban high school during the OJ Simpson trial. There were Leftist Teachers in this school who suspended classes everyday during the OJ trial, and they and their students watched the OJ trial instead of doing school work. Then, when the verdict was handed down, There was a celebration as if they had just won the Super Bowl. Nobody cared whether he was guilty or innocent, Just Happy he was Acquitted. It was turned into a Racial Thing and nobody cared if he was guilty. Now, the Obama thing is just about like that. Nobody cares about His Beliefs, His Ideas, His Credentials, His Abilites, No, they just care about the Novelty--First Black Man Running For President. Liberalism has reduced us to this. The Public School System is complicit in this Treachery. Vote No To Obama--Not because he is Black. Vote No Because He Is a Dangerous Individual, and Allowing Mis Informed adolescents the right to vote is Dangerous. There was a good reason in the past for having literacy laws for voting rights.

Jerome Ennis, A Patriot in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

legalbeagle
I remember you too. Weren't you the guy who supported cutting off support to the south after we pulled out....and then when asked about the million plus executions that immediately followed just shrugged his shoulders?

A liberal trying to lecture on the "preciousness of human life".....hilarious.

Icedog
I hate to confuse your issue with facts. Most of America supported cutting off further aid to South Vietnam. Do you remember that? Probably not. We had already pulled our troops out. The South had all but been overrun. They were losing every battle against Charlie and the NVA. The issue was whether we were going to throw billions more of our treasure to a cause that was lost (and never winnable).
The millions of executions occurred in Cambodia. I bet you don't remember that one either. That's where Kissinger & Nixon invaded a soverign country, hid that fact from the American people, and then the genocide started not too much later. The aid we turned down was for S. Viet Nam -- not for Cambodia. You guys on the right seem to conflate everything together (you know, like 911 and Iraq). By the way, how's that Iraq war working for you. How's that hunt for Osama going. How's our position in the world doing? Attaboy, Republicans. You've done a hell of a job for America. Now step aside and let real Americans, who care about their country, take over.

1 It also affected the churches…
“Barack Obama celebrated Father's Day by calling on black fathers, who he said are "missing from too many lives and too many homes," to become active in raising their children." They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it," I have a lot to say about that. Christianity in the US was fundamentally changed by Woodstock. This tribe or despair subculture insists all our traditions are evil because they have always been imposed by the sword, by the executioner, by the strap, and by the back if the hand. If love is all you need then why does LK 2:51 say Jesus was “obedient” to his parents? Barack Obama is lying when he asserts that men now have any responsibility to be around your wife or children. Of course I understand it’s the Christian thing to do. But the entire basis of the Democrat party way of thinking is still that nobody has the right to tell a precious princess that she can’t have an abortion. The whole basis of their feminism is that nobody has the right to tell the precious princess to do anything, to think anything, to say anything.

2 It also affected the churches…
Before the big lie that gays are oppressed people, their big lie was that that women in the US are oppressed people that must be empowered has dominated churches. The truth was that women in the US historically had special treatment and most had better living conditions than their husband. Women used to be view themselves primarily in service to their family. They were part of a family that is cooperative, meaning were all in this together, we all go down with the ship, Now the Democrats have forced us to accept the big lie women were abused and oppressed by that and must be given the freedom to become competitive, independent individuals competing by climbing on their husband’s back to attain personal success, with their own careers and competing with men at every level of society, and still in this election they are talking about shattering the glass ceiling of the presidency into 18 million pieces. Every Psychologist tells women they must learn to love themselves before they can learn to love others which resulted in women becoming narcissistic. Colleges are about women self-actualizing.

3 It also affected the churches…
Woodstock fundamentally changed the nature of family and first in secular families, and then Christian families eventually caved in to it. It did not come out of their Christianity it came out of their Cultural Marxism the insistence on the equality of power. Now they celebrate and defend promiscuity. Now a third of children grow up with only their mother, a third of children grow up in families that have gone through divorce, 80% of which were by the woman, and the other third of children are in families that are in endless anti-tradition therapy, with women blame shifting to the man every chemical that sloshes through her brain. None of this is Christian. Every way US society is measured clearly documents that since Woodstock the conditions of women and children is worse. Men I’m warning you stay as far away from every feminist princess as you can. Women in the US are now incapable of long term relationships. This means the overwhelming majority of women in the US are laughing at your loyalty. God does not expect you to stay around women that are like this.

4 It also affected the churches…
None of the Apostles ever even hinted a man must submit to his wife; if your church is teaching that get out of there fast. The Apostle Paul said in 1Cor14:34-35 “Women were not to speak in the churches, but were to be in submission… must ask their own husbands at home.” (The Apostle Paul would rather the woman follow whatever wrongheaded nonsense her husband believed about Christianity and still be agreeing with her husband, than be learning directly from the Apostle Paul the truth about Christianity and be disagreeing with her husband.) The Apostle Peter went even further in 1 Pet 3:1-7 said “Wives were to be submissive to their husbands even if they were not Christians.” (Remember the Roman Empire before they became Christian, yeah that’s kind of husband the Apostle Peter was talking about.) Don’t ever let anybody like Barack Obama burden you with your Christian obligation to something like family unless they allow you the power the Apostles insisted you would need to live it. Because my grandfather had the power to do it my Italian Roman Catholic grandparents were marred over sixty years with lots of children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. Feminists will never have this honor. Feminism is the intentional apostasy of this blessing. Feminists gave the finger to traditional families. The traditional family led by a man is “Gone With the Wind” The slaves have been freed. There is no going back. Stop expecting men to play your game of lets pretend we have a family. Woodstock is where Christians went off the highway and is the only place we can get back on the highway.

icedog
extemporaneous speeches are improvised speeches. I assume you are talking about written speeches. But lengthy written speeches take clearer thinking than do the kinds of short answers one gives in a debate.

Also when you talk about Obama asking for the fewest possible number of debates you fail to note that that is 2 more debates than Bush agreed to in 2004. In general 3 has been the standard number of presidential debates. Obama's offer is 5. So your point seems factually inaccurate.

Almost 80 posts... (Scott, FL 1:02 PM)
and still not one single idea on how to get the youth of this country to vote conservative. Unbelievable. The prevailing sentiment seems to be 'they aren't voting for our guy so let's take away their right to vote' or 'let's try to suppress their vote by adding requirements more easily filled by older people.'

Scott, thank you both for your service and your excellent post. 'They all have a book to sell that is based on division meanwhile they do nothing to actually fight the fight. They are all talk. Disgusting.' You described how I feel about the vast majority of political commentators, from both sides, perfectly.

Icedog
I really didn't notice that about King Liberal until you pointed it out. Apparently, it's quite true because he has abandoned this article.

Shells, Icedog
Since you are excoriating KL for not answering one of your questions, let me point out that you haven't answered one of mine. To be fair, I didn't address it directly to you, but both of you fall into the category of posters that I was addressing with the following question from a previous post:

To those of you offering up anecdotal examples of encounters with young Obama supporters, I have a question: how did you react to them? Did you roll your eyes, sigh, and 'weep for the future' or 'chuckle, because you couldn't help it'? Or did you actually try to illustrate how a conservative agenda would be beneficial to them.

While i agree
with Mr. Prager on his assessment of Obama's "swooning idiots", this can also be applied to the average "democrat" voter.

It is common knowledge that "democrat" voters have a much lower IQ than those voting for the American Party(Republicans).

It is 11pts lower!

Yes. Good article.
"... It is only the latest example of young people getting excited as a result of their unique combination of naivete, lack of wisdom, romantic idealism and narcissism."

Yes, this is something I see on a regular basis. Some of the older kids I work with (18-21) have half of an eye on politics, and all "support" Barack Obama. A few of the reasons I've heard are:

"He's a black guy ."
"He wants everyone to be rich."
"He knows what its like to be poor." (?????)
"Oprah likes him and I love Oprah"
"Schools need more money"
"I don't like that old guy"
"The guys from Greenday like him" (that was today)
"He made me cry" (one 20 year old young man said that last month)
"I don't know. I just do. I like his smile, I guess"

Many of my kids cannot imagine life off of gov't dependence, and some refuse to work if the boss makes more money than they do (I've heard this from parents as well). This mentality was the exception 25 years ago, and it has become alarmingly common. Far too many now hold a world view based on a developmentally stunted frame of reference, and this is what draws them to quasi-parental forms of government guys like Obama represent.

The bottom line is stunted development has its demands and costs. It demands comfort, accommodation, and appeasement; it costs individual excellence, self-esteem (as it was meant to be achieved), maturity. It demands that others supply security and deal with difficulties, and costs individual competence and ablitity to interdepend/contribute. It demands that reality bend to the contours of the personal and ultimately collective comfort zones, and that costs societal sanity then ultimately prosperity.



KING LIBERAL

.....The GOP has an image problem with minorities bacause they try to treat them as equals ...

.....Most minorities want the perks that come with victim status and the Democrat/Socialist/Marxist Party gives it to them in exchange for their votes ...

.....By treating minorities as different or as underachievers that can't make it without government help makes the Marxist Party the biggest racist of all .....COLOSSUS

The AVERAGE Repub/Con voter
mostly musty ole angry white males & their female shrews between the ages of 55-75, southern/midwestern
can be identified by following traits:

racist, homophobic, anal attentive, sexist.
definitely white male supremist...fake patriots who absolutley HATE PAYING TAXES... Love to fight wars as long as they or their family members dont have to particpate...puff out their chest in pride at selling wolf tickets to little countries like iran, iraq etc. quake in their boots at russia/korea and the very thought of iran having ONE nuke absolutley
terrifies them.

truth justice and the american way...

Kimberly
What's your perspective on the killing fields?

Icedog
Spectacular use of that quote! Lovin it! haha

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.....If a black man, a brown man and a white man can build a house and a half in a day and a half ...how many spider monkees can copulate on the branch of a Thorn tree in the Serengeti? ...

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...Q. Why do women have smaller feet than men?

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Left Angle
I'm pleased to hear you concede the debate.
Har! Har!

People who tout that they
love to pay taxes are either a) not paying any other than the forced Fica/med or b) completely moronic.

I notice the MD resident fool is spouting the nonsense of leftist blogs.

My 18, 19 and 21 year old sons will not be voting for the community organizer. They are a bit wiser than their public school educated, atheistic peers.

LEFT DANGLE

..... Dr. Strangeglove called and left a message that your buddy King Liberal was ticked off at you because you missed your last meeting at MAMBLA ...He said it was your turn to play the caboose in the weekly game of freight train ...he had to take your place and he says that you owe him a box of preparation H .....COLOSSUS

The brainwashing starts early
My son is a sophomore in a Seattle highschool. For Biology homework (remember: biology) he had to read 7 articles on examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom. The week before that he had to read 4 articles on why it's better not to have kids, and how people that choose to be childless don't resent people that do.

He recorded a class session where his (biology)teacher spent a good portion of class time saying why Obama should be president.

Another assignment had my son memorize 42 female scientists names and achievements, including Rachel Carson, author of Silent Spring. After that he had to memorize a glossary of sexuality, including definitions of different sexual preferences, with terms such as 'tolerance' and 'ally' (one with a different preference that stands up for you).

Yet another assignment was having them write a persuasive letter to congress about curbing overpopulation.

It's maddening. Yes, as you guessed, his teacher cut his idealistic teeth during the 1960's.


LeftRudyRight
Sorry I missed your question directed at me, but if my name isn't in the subject line, I tend to gloss over it, especially if I'm having multiple discussions with other posters who at least have the courtesy to include my name in the subject line.

Ok, to answer your question.

If I happen to have a political discussion with anyone, young or old, and they tell me they are voting for Obama and I ask them why, and they don't really know why....

My reaction is more of an opportunity, with some people. I don't speak of Obama after that, but I begin to ask them questions. I ask them how they feel about taxes, then I ask them how they feel about illegal immigration. I ask them about healthcare. I ask them what they feel would make themselves more prosperous and what would make the economy better.

Most of them after voicing me their opinions, it turns out, are true republicans and they had no idea. Unfortunately, they have been stigmatized that having republican ideals means they are racist, white, selfish, religious fanatic.

They know what they truly want out of their country and their life, but they reject it as if it's a cancer, and they told me they still plan to vote for Obama.

Go figure.

Left Angle
I am not attentive to my Anal, However, You hit some nails on the head there. I have no idea what a wolf ticket is.

Lon said:
"And being able to communicate is not as unimportant as you suggest."

-Communication is very important. But some wonderful orators are not meant to be president.

"And while some candidates don't write their speeches, Obama appears to write the most important of his himself."

-If he does write his own, he does take samples from many people. However, I wrote a 15 paged speech on electric shock therapy many years ago. It was fabulously detailed and I received an 'A.' My point is, just because I wrote a wonderful speech about electric shock therapy does not mean I have the tangible experience or the smarts to perform it on anyone.

"From a democratic perspective, if most of the candidates agree about most of the issues, the fact that Obama can get them across with more support is not a trivial reason to prefer him. "

-Hillary spoke well. So did Edwards. Why did no one make a gigantic issue that Edwards and Hillary are so articulate and speak so well? Why did no one care, including the media? Do democrats as a whole take for granted that a white person will automatically speak well and be articulate, which is why Obama is such a novelty item for them?

Everyone makes a huge issue that Obama speaks well and is articulate. Well, so are most men and women who are lawyers and graduated from a nice college. He is being treated and revered as an oddity, a novelty, and therefore, he is drawing more attention than he deserves.

If Obama was a white man named Richard Smith with the same credentials, he be a distant memory and we'd be talking about Hillary and Edwards now.

That is my point. I'm not racist, I am just being honest.

Gift of gab -- not entirely
I’ll bet Prager a box of cigars that if you put Ron Paul’s message in Obama’s mouth he would get booed off the stage instead of the nomination. Socialism, victimhood and class envy happen to be popular – freedom and personal responsibility are a hard sell, no matter one’s oratory skill.

And Lon, Icedog is Correct
When Obama doesn't have a speech in front of him, he is his own worst enemy.

But I'm wondering did he write a speech, or was he speaking off the cuff when he spoke about his grandmother, throwing her under the bus, and used the term "Typical White Person."

Or was it off the cuff or did he write about people clinging onto their guns and religion?

I'm not trying to be caustic, but those were certainly doozies, and he lost a lot of people for that.

He might speak well, but if he strays from Hope and Change, he steps into his own puddles.


COWARDS
Wow. Really? Really? I posted earlier, #75 or so, in between those ridiculous church debates, and my post is mysteriously GONE. Anyone care to comment on THAT?

In case you were wondering, I discussed how you people are all old and do nothing but watch Fox News and regurgitate the propaganda of hate that is hammered into your heads on a daily basis and this whole commentary is a direct result of the jealousy of youth.

It's disgusting to think that, in TWO THOUSAND EIGHT, there are people out there who still think that discrimination is ok. Tsk tsk.

Shame on all of you. And you call yourselves Christians. Shame one you.


Shells
Thank you for your response. I'm sorry that I didn't include your name in the response, I thought you might have picked up the quote I took from your post. As for your response, that is exactly the type of questioning that made me realize that I wasn't the liberal I thought I was in college and engaged me in the political process. I'm sorry that you've gotten the type of response that you have, but I feel that if you talk to enough of those people, you might get a convert or two. They might not decide to vote against Obama, but at least it will get them thinking. Your response would have made a great article, but unfortunately, that was not the direction that the author, or many of the posters on this thread, have taken. The fact that so many young people are becoming engaged in the poltical process, regardless of how they got engaged, should be looked at as an opportunity to present all of the ideas to them. It is sad that instead of taking that opportunity, many here simply dismiss these young voters as 'useful idiots' and will miss the opportunity to open their minds to alternative ideas before they become set in their ways. Thanks again for your response and good luck with the next Obamamaniac you run into.

You said it Dennis!
Having been born in 1959, I've witnessed first-hand the degradation of our country at the hands of Baby Boomers.

Sadly, all the Boomers I know are still childish, foolish and completely self-absorbed.

We're the most affluent, privileged generation the world has ever known and we Boomers simply do not appreciate this great country. And we won't know what we've got ... 'til it's gone.

My fervent prayer is that I may live long enough to witness this country reject the 1960's idiocy and return to its founding principles.


P.S. I disagree with you GK. When conservatism is well articulated, it has always been embraced. The problem is that the conservative message has not been communicated properly in years.

Re: Elizabeth
We have no control over what gets removed...

God does it...

When I make a rant like that I generally don't keep defending it..

So go ahead and do whatever you want with it...

I'm like Forrest Gump...

That's all I'm gonna say about that...

oldsocialworker
I haven't seen you post in a while my friend - hope all is well with you and yours!!!

Enjoyed your post on the kids you work with and their reasons for voting for Obama.

I am still waiting for Oabam or one of his supporters/apologists to explain exactly what the 'Hope' part means.

I was surprised Obama wasn't called an Uncle Tom the way Bill Cosby was when Obama said sunday that fathers need to be responsible for their children.

I have heard some black elitists say Obama shouldn't talk that way publicly - what a country!

Shells et al
Shells wrote:..."If Obama was a white man named Richard Smith with the same credentials, he be a distant memory and we'd be talking about Hillary and Edwards now..."
================================================

Well said and a fact. Facts are nether negative or positive except by those who apply their own perspective and bias to them.

Hillary and Edwards were more straightforward in their goals of turning America from a 'Constitutional Republic' into a collrctivist society.

Obama uses generic terms like 'Hope' and 'Change' but never explains what those terms mean. Obama allows each person to define those words in their own terms knowing everyone needs 'Hope' and 'Change' about something in life.

Obama would be better served selling items like salad choppers on TV for only $19.95 and if you act now he will through in blades for making 'Blooming Onions'.

When I hear Obama speak I expect him to say have your credit cards ready and act now.


Hi,,Retired Geek!
I am well, thank you! Its a busy time of the year for me. We wind down the school year and wind up the summer programs. Plus some of the columns have been redundant. I got sick of Bill and Hillary commentary, Hillary-Obama commentary, blah, blah, blah.

I hope you and yours are well!

Another Great Article from Dennis!

A psychiatrist once told my 60 yr old in-law that her 40 yr old son is "emotionally stuck" as a teenager. Like Peter-Pan, the Doctor said, he never grew up.

That really made sense to me. The man still needs momma to clean his clothes, make his lunch, and house him.

Sadly, I know several grown men with the same issues.

And not surprisingly, I have yet to find "Even One" of these persons who is a Republican.


When Young People Get Excited
"Young People" are immature until they become totally self-supporting without any assistance from Mommy & Daddy. Grad students and Ph.Ds who still receive anything from parents are still in this category of immaturity.
How about limit the right to vote to those that are self-supporting! Military, regardless of age, are earning a living thus eligible to vote.

Liberalism the lothario
Liberalism is like the pathetic middle aged man who chases after much younger women, because women his own age intimidate him and/or see right though him. They both prey on the weaknesses of youth.

Voting rights
One should only be allowed to vote if he has a lease, mortgage or deed in his own name.

My wasted youth
I supported Jimmy Carter when I was 10. I switched to Reagan at 14 when I saw the results of Carter's bungling and heard Reagan's inaugural address.

Oh, to have those 4 years to live over again.

SteveL
As to the question of putting al Qaeda out-of-business, when was their last successful attack? Bin Laden chose to meet the battle in Iraq, and al Qaeda has been seriously degraded as a result.

A New Low for Prager
DP:
"With a few exceptions . . . . when youth get involved in politics in large numbers, it is not a good thing."

Yes, what a terrible thing indeed! Far better to have them remain IGNORANT, DISENGAGED, and APATHETIC! Good lord, some of them may even VOTE!!!

Dennis has written ideological diatribes with a thin veneer of stapled-on reasoning in the past, but this has got to be a new low. It's just plain dumb!

As other posters have noted, it'd almost be worth it if all the nation's young people suddenly became McCain zealots, just to see how Dennis would justify his inevitable flip-flop into extolling the virtues of 'today's politically involved young people'.

some reasons i have heard...
i guess i count as young at 25, and i'll tell you some of the real reasons i've heard as to why my peers are voting for obama.

1. john mccain can't use a computer. this may be some nasty rumor, but if it is, it hasn't been debunked. people my age are frightened that a person that can't grasp the internet could be trusted to run the country.

2. the biggest reason, honestly, is their view on taxes, which may surprise the adults who think we're idiots. mccain has stated that he wants to keep the bush tax cuts. i and almost all of my peers are pretty poor, making between 20 and 30 grand a year. and a lot of them are angry that rich people don't have to pay the same percentage of their incomes that we do. they're not buying the "trickle down" theory. they get that their taxes won't be any lower under obama--and they don't care--they just want to see the wealthy start paying their fair share of things.

3. lastly, i know obama used these cathc phrases, like hope and change, and never really explain what those things mean. young people eat it up. they're tired of the way things are going, they're afraid of what's going to happen to them when the boomers start collecting social security, and they fear that with what they fondly call "bush part three" in office, nothing is going to change.


these are the reasons i most frequently hear from people under thirty who are supporting obama.

Flaming liberal multiculturalist
What makes you think being involved and engaged negates ignorance?

cleverness- your wasted youth
Wasted indeed. If only you had been a little older, maybe you could have fought against the ratification of that pesky 26th amendment. You know, kind of like gun grabbers would love to go back and get rid of the 2nd amendment. Oh well, one can dream, can't they?

However, since that 26th amendment is in the Constitution (fastest ratification of any amendment, if memory serves me correctly) and not likely to go anywhere, aytime soon, I suggest you try Shells approach from several posts ago. Look at young voters as an opportunity to educate. Instead of telling them how stupid they are and how they shouldn't have the right to vote without meeting your criteria, you might try actually engaging them. They might be surprised at how your way of thinking might actually be better for their future. I'm not guaranteeing instant results, but you might have a better shot of turning them on to your way of thinking that way than you do by lamenting their right to vote.

jenni proves Prager's point
1) Computer skills are not required to be president. He can hire people for that. His job is to lead and delegate, which requires wisdom, not computer savvy.

2) People making between 20 and 30 grand per year pay very little income tax, and are taxed at a much lower rate then the rich. How can you not know this? The richest 5% contribute 75% of the government's revenue.

3) Anything is better than what we have now? Google "the seventies" and learn about such things as wage and price controls, stagflation, double digit unemployment, and interest rates in the high teens. You have no idea how GOOD the current economy is.

Your points all indicate how caught up you are int the current zeitgeist, and how little historical perspective you have.

Good post, Jenni!
Its that class warfare stuff that sticks in the craws of many. Instead of looking at what government largesse has created-lower wages, higher cost and ultimately standard of living- the distraction of "the rich" paying their "fair share" absorbs the focus and the wrath of many. Little do your friends suspect; they are part of "the rich" the left refers to when making a case to pillage. Anyone who wroks hard and earns a living is considered "rich and lucky". I hope they come to understand this.

How cute...
...to read a devout Christian talking about other people's naivety.

A little correction
In response to Jenni's good post, I mean government largesse LOWERS the standard of living.

reply
no, they know that they pay LESS money in taxes. what is making them angry is that they pay a higher percentage. let's say i make 20 grand a year and pay ten percent of that in taxes. let's say my dad makes 200 grand. is he going to pay 20 grand in taxes? of course not. i'm not voting for obama, and that riles me up. i just personally feel that everyone should pay the same percentage of their income in taxes, and many of my peers feel the same, so they'e wary of voting for someone that wants to give more tax cuts to the fabulously wealthy. i suppose it's because no one i am friends with are middle class. there's no such thing for is. we're all fresh out of college and grad school, and we're poor. so it's tough to tell a poor person to vote for mccain. all they hear is tax cits for the rich, and their blood boils. can you really blame them? i'm thinking he ought to couch that in different terms if he wants the youth vote.

as for reading up on the 70's, get real. public school history courses don't even make it to the korean war by the end of the year, let alone carter's administration, so people under the age of 35 don't know anything about it, nor do they care enough to learn. if you want to know anything about it, you have to learn it on your own, as i did.


it's hard to post here, as i'm not voting for obama, and i don't want to get into an argument. but i didn't see anyone that was addressing what my peers are saying, so i just wanted to add that feedback.

WFalicoff…

I agree with both you and Mr. Prager. You…addressing the good things that came from the youth movement of the 50s-60s. Mr. Prager…addressing the political and social fall-out from this movement.

Oh Come On, OldSocialWorker
OSW:
"What makes you think being involved and engaged negates ignorance?"

Since you don't bother mentioning them, Ia assume that you realize that being 'involved and engaged' pretty much by definition negates apathy and disengagement.

Yes, a young person (or an old one, for that matter) can be involved, engaged, and ignorant. (Or at least, supportive of views with which you disagree.) But I submit that no person can move beyond ignorance to enlightenment without being engaged.

Not encouraged either
I think it helps to remember that both the German Hitler Youth and the Chinese Red Guards were youth movements...and look what they accomplished. Jews and Chinese intellectuals paid the price for that youthful zeal. Youth have been the tools of demagogues and tyrants for millenia, precisely because they are youth; naive, inexperienced, thinking with their emotions and hormones. I was one once, I know. Science has proven that the frontal region of the brain is actually not fully developed until about age 25, which is pretty much the age I learned to think for myself and not ape the opinions of peers or cultural gurus. Therefore I share Dennnis' lack of enthusiasm about a new youth movement, considering the track records such movements have.

Not encouraged...but not hopeless
On the other hand...if our youth got a good dose of two things that they are not getting enough of now...EDUCATION and PARENTING...they could well provide energy to a conservative movement the same way a small but dedicated number of them did in 1998, when Newt and Co. swept the House. Our military is indeed composed of such young people steered in the right direction...as is the groundswell of evangelical Christianity and the growing numbers of volunteers. Getting kids educated properly, parented properly, and exposed to the job market at some point, can help prevent them from becoming such useful idiots.

mr praeger
when old people dont and should.

More than a slogan
I have seen the new Tx. GOP slogan and if you all think that being racist is going to get the vote with young people I just don't see it. It is hard enough with Super Duper Old McSame forgetting his lines and being an embarrassment to the rightwing on the teevee. As for the young vote it is all fine and well to thumb your nose at them, but I think McCranky will be spanked and it ain't going to be pretty this fall. It will give the right a shot in the arm you need and give you people something to cry about again. So be happy.

I'm VOTING MCCAIN 2008!!
O'Drama isn't the only one with folks fired up to vote, there's a LOT of us who are excited and happy to vote McCain!

He ain't perfect, but there's a LOT of great qualities when compared to O'Drama:

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY - HONOR NOT DISGRACE - CHARACTER NOT SKIN COLOR - COURAGE NOT COWARDICE - EXPERIENCE NOT RISK !! MCCAIN NOT O'DRAMA!

Let it RAIN MCCAIN 2008!

WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

jenni...no you didn't
Jenni wrote:
"no, they know that they pay LESS money in taxes. what is making them angry is that they pay a higher percentage. let's say i make 20 grand a year and pay ten percent of that in taxes. let's say my dad makes 200 grand. is he going to pay 20 grand in taxes? of course not"

You're right about your dad not paying 20 grand...he'll probably pay about double that. Do you really not know that the more money you make the higher PERCENTAGE you pay? This worries me because i think a lot of people think this because they've heard about "tax breaks for the rich". I think people actually think this means Bush and Congress passed a law saying the rich would pay less in percentage of taxes. I'm sure that's why the Dems keeping beating this drum. They've managed to be vauge enough about this issue so as to convince some people that Bush actually got legislation passed that would let the "rich" pay a lower percentage!

more info for jeni
Let's be clear...especially for Jenni because she seems to be a sharp girl who, like many others, doesn't know that the tax break the "rich" got just slightly lowered the percentage paid. However, the PERCENTAGE they pay is still more than double that of somebody who would be considered poor. It varies slightly depending on your right off's (I'm sure most people have no idea what those are so we'll save that explanation for latter), but I would guess your dad would be paying somewhere close to 50,000 of his 200,000 in taxes. Hell I'd be mad to if i didn't understand this point and thought rich people paid a lower percentage of their money! If what Jenni and her friends thought were actually true they're be civil war...and justafiably so. The truth however, is it is not the case. The more money you make, the more money you pay as well as paying a higher percentage. By the way, I believe current statistics show the wealthiest 10% pay about 85% of the taxes. If everybody except the top 10% paid NO taxes our goverment wouldn't be affected all that much. That's why they were given a so-called "break". They practically pay for everything already...and I'm not one of them.

clarification
I just re-read some of what I wrote and i don't think i was clear enough.

I wrote:

"I think people actually think this means Bush and Congress passed a law saying the rich would pay less in percentage of taxes."

I should have said:

"I think people actually think this means Bush and Congress passed a law saying the rich would pay less in percentage of taxes than the poor."

Just to clear...again...the tax break just lowered the percentage the rich paid by a couple of percent in relation to what they already were paying. I'm not sure about exact numbers, but all tax breaks for the rich bascially said "if you make over 200,000 or so instead of paying 37% in taxes you'll pay 35%. Even with the break they still pay twice as much a percentage of their income as would a poor person! In actual money a person making 200,000 pays probably 20 times what a person making 20,000 would.

Retired Geek
"Obama would be better served selling items like salad choppers on TV for only $19.95 and if you act now he will through in blades for making 'Blooming Onions'."




LMAO! I can see it right now! "Do you hope for a change when chopping your vegetables? Do you feel the audacity when your julianne carrots are being cut by the same old dull blade for the past eight years? Well, no need to cling onto religion and your guns, my Typical White Persons! We have a new blade to offer you the hope and change you desire! Don't believe me? Well, 4-5 Hamas throat slashers recommend it for those tough jobs!"

Teens are not mature?
You are completely right. Obama is stupid. The teens he has managed to drag into his reproachable facade are stupid,and the professors in college, are, as a general rule, also stupid. But, you made one huge mistake. You said that ALL teens are "naivete, lack of wisdom, romantic idealism and narcissism. " That is wrong. Absolutely wrong. I suggest you poke your head out of your secluded little world for a few minutes. Read some news papers. Read some blogs. Teens are starting a movement. More specifically, CHRISTIAN teenagers are starting a movement. Christian teenagers all over the world are rising up, and dedicating their lives to change the world, with "do hard things" as their rallying cry. Ever heard of Zach Hunter? Alex and Brett Harris? John Hammons? These are all teenagers who have used the Word Of God in their life to make a profound impact in their city, state, country, and world. It is not just three people, though. Thousands of people are joining this movement. Thousands of christian teenagers have dedicated their lives to changing the world while still a teenager, and "rebelling against the low expectations" that the American culture has set before them. People like you expect so little out of teenagers. They are so naive in your eyes. Well, guess what? WE are going to prove you wrong. WE are going to show you that teenagers have the ability, the will, and the passion to not only live abnormal lives, but to change the world. You had better change your views of teenagers soon, or you will find yourself losing a battle on all fronts, because you have underestimated the Power Of God, and what he is capable of doing to the "simplest" of people

S.H.
"'Young People' are immature until they become totally self-supporting without any assistance from Mommy & Daddy. Grad students and Ph.Ds who still receive anything from parents are still in this category of immaturity."

Hear, hear! No more inherited wealth. 100% estate taxes for all! with all that moolah we can have national health care, an Apollo program for renewable energy, and self-sufficient youngins to boot!

PS, SH, I'm originally from Oklahoma too. You ARE free to leave, you know.

Youth in America
I am a seventeen-year-old high school senior from Central Utah.

I am proud to say I was raised in a home with conservative values, and I feel it is my duty to promote the same.

I, like Dennis Prager, am deeply disturbed at the growing trend of youth intent on voting for Barack Obama. When I ask fellow classmates why they are going to vote for Barack Obama (and I am living in one of the conservative strongholds of America, mind you) they stupidly reply "Well, he just seems like a good man to be president," or something along those lines.

How do we convince people that the mainstream media is lying?

Prager, you can at least feel some relief in knowing not ALL youth are going to vote for Obama this November.

The question no one answers
When the subject of the Baby Boomers and all they have wrought comes up at parties, in bars, whatever, I always ask, "Well, who raised these people?"

No one answers. Either the question is ignored, or it brings on an abrupt change of subject.

I thought I'd throw it out here. Nothing to lose . . .

Reply to Jenni (& nod to L.R.Rudy)
I agree the rumor that McCain can't use a computer is troubling: Not because he'll need to know how, but just because it indicates a remarkable lack of curiosity about the world one lives in.

Your responders are right. The U.S. income tax is highly progressive, with the bottom 50% of the population paying only 3%. Indeed, 90% of all income taxes are collected from the top 30% of all filers. (Since 28% of U.S. adults hold a college degree, and since they got those degrees to get higher salaries, probably almost all the income taxes in the U.S. are being paid by the 28% who went to college. If you're college educated, you are far more likely to be in the 35% tax bracket for high earners, than in the 10% bracket for low ones.)

And social class is _not_ money! There are pimps with plenty of bling who are despicably low class, and small town librarians who are class acts in spite of their modest means. During the Dark Ages there were only two social classes Upper = Landed Gentry, who lived on rents from their properties, and Lower = Peasantry who earned their living through hard physical labor. In the 1300's there arose a class between these two; Like the peasantry, they had to work for a living, but unlike the peasantry, this Middle Class worked largely with their brains. The defining characteristic of middle classness is the education to enable working with your brain. Today 80%-85% of the U.S.'s population is Middle Class.

Young adults are right to worry about present plans to take their income to pay benefits to the Baby Boomers. But Mr. Obama wants to _expand_ such entitlement programs. Mr. Bush _tried_ to get Personalized Social Security Accounts for young earners, but the Democrats demagogued it as "privatizing Social Security."

LeftRightRudy is correct: The 26th Amendment is here. Those young people are going to vote. We had best work at selling them on our views rather than leaving them to the lies of the left.

A modest proposal
Conservatives should begin to work on a bill that would raise the voting age to 31 (or 41 Why trust youngsters?). If such a bill could be enacted, it would eliminate 'youth politics,' and thus insure that you guys would always be in power. Now, if you want to be constitutionally scrupulous, you've got to turn this into a series of bills proposed in state legislatures, but you guys know that anyway.

The only reason Prager and other conservatives are sour about young Obama supporters is that they know a similar surge can't be generated on the Right. If there was a right-wing youth movement of any size, you guys would have no problems with that, so spare me your self-serving self-righteousness about dumb kids. That's not what you're against; you're against the Obamites because they're supporting a liberal Democrat.

depressingly cynical
where's the hope, Prager? It takes a bitter old man to cut down the excitement of youth as unwise. The kids are alright, imho.
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