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Saturday, October 04, 2008
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Palin-Biden Verdict
by Debra J. Saunders
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She passed.

He passed.

Palin fared better going against Joe Biden than Katie Couric.

Sure, she had moments when she seemed to be working too hard trying to remember what she was supposed to say so she awkwardly regurgitated a string of campaign buzzwords. Who cares? She didn't crash. And she showed Americans a candidate who does not speak Beltway-speak.

Democrats used to crow about that common touch with Bubba. Well, meet Bubbette.

Biden showed more fluency on foreign policy, to be sure. You know he would do a better job on a pop quiz on Israeli-Palestinian relations. When he talked plain, however -- as when he hit the McCain $5,000-per-family health care tax credit -- Biden scored.

But Biden also stumbled when he too theatrically stifled laughter at Palin's answer to moderator Gwen Ifill's question about executive authority. "Do you believe as Vice President Cheney does, that the executive branch does not hold complete sway over the office of the vice presidency, that it is also a member of the legislative branch?" Ifill asked.

Palin clearly did not understand that the question was a swipe at Cheney's assertion that his office did not need to comply with national security disclosure rules required of other executive branch agencies. And she gave a school-kid stalling answer to the question.

That said, Biden's theatrics were, well, undisciplined. Arrogant even.

Some Americans tuned into the debate to find out whether Palin could go toe to toe with Vladimir Putin. The answer, I think, is that she would know how to take advantage of being underestimated. (I can hear her now: "Can I call you Vladimir?" Okey dokey.)

Thus Biden felt safe to claim, "With regard to Iraq, I indicated it would be a mistake to -- I gave the president the power. I voted for the power because he said he needed it not to go to war but to keep the United States, the U.N. in line, to keep sanctions on Iraq and not let them be lifted."

If Biden is so smart and savvy and experienced, how could he have been so stupid about his war vote?

"Oh, yeah, it's so obvious I'm a Washington outsider," Palin countered, "and someone just not used to the way you guys operate. Because here you voted for the war and now you oppose the war."

Palin's other job was to show America that she is not an intolerant right-wing kook. And she did so deftly on the issue of expanding benefits to same-sex couples, as Alaska does.

"Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman," she answered.

But: "I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue."

Camp McCain can breathe a sigh of relief. But first, campaign staffers should kick themselves for over-handling the Alaska governor.

Then McCain better get to work shaming Congress for larding the bailout bill with all that pork and working to get both houses to pass a bill that revokes the extra spending heaped onto this shameful package.

It's too bad Palin didn't hit Biden harder for being part of the big-spending Washington culture that can't get difficult things done, but sure knows how to spend money it doesn't have. But there will be no shortages of opportunities for both McCain and Palin to do so in the future.

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Palin Won! Thats Fair & Balanced!
For the average American, I don't believe most knew of Biden's gaffes on certain issues. But Joe Biden certainly must have known. ??? That's'why most politicians go that route, because they know most Americans either believe what they hear, or don't feel like taking the time to investigate anything to the extreme that would reveal the absolute truth. This goes well for any party.
So with ALL MY KNOWLEDGE AND FIRST HAND INFORMATIVE FACTS, I say, Palin Wön Hands Down, Joe Maybe Next Time The Emotional Tear Jerker That Didnt Leak Any Substance Will Show Up Then!
COLONEL JON RAMBO
BE BLESSED AND PRAY HARDER

Ms. Saunders,
Ms. Saunders,

I am an observer. Sarah Palins interviews have always been against loaded questions and definite bias. Against this cr*p, I percieve that she has done an excellent job.

I only wish, the RNC would allow herself to be herself!

Please do not degrade yourself as Kathleen Parker has done.

She has lost many readers because of her screed. I for one.


Katie Couric, had loaded, antagonistic and biased questions that were vetted to put Sarah Palin in the worst light. Why? Because the commies are scared to death of her.

I must consider that if you do not recognize, and expound upon this thesis, you are part of the problem.

You do have a second chance. Kathleen Parker does not.



I am Always, The Observant Rodent !
My favorite meal is Cockroaches, AKA, lefties.

Saunders on Palin
DEbra you are not qualified to grade Gov Palin as all you are is a second rate reporter that couldn't qualifuy to do her laundry and certainly couldn't argue with a Biden if you were married to him because you wouldn't hav an idea how to control the dummy.

"Who Cares"???
Why, Deb, WE care. After all, a programmed Palin is not the "real" person she promised at the outset, now is it? What if Ifill had asked her to name a single "pre-condition" she kept warning Biden about? Does she know what she said about expanding the VP powers? I think not. Over programmed without a freaking clue as to what she was saying is what came across to us in the debate. She got key names wrong, she got troops numbers wrong and she showed virtually NO sympathy or empathy towards Biden's family loss.

What we were looking for in her wasn't an ability to memorize talking points and shoring up winking technique. What we were looking for in Palin was SUBSTANCE, and she didn't have it in any form. Mean, sarcastic, disingenuous? Yeah, she had that in spades.

MSNBC
Who else is sick and tired of olbermann?
Could use some help here there's only 17 of us so far - let's get in there pocket. Next time I'll have a complete list of olbermanN's advertiers...this one is for YELLOWTAIL WINE:
You make an excellent wine, unfortunately we can no longer purchase your product - until you stop advertising on msnbc. This is America and everyone has a right to their opinion, but olbermann's constant demeaning of Gov. Sarah Palin goes way too far. YELLOWTAIL needs to draw the line when olbermann comments about a 'real' news person masturbating while watching the VP debate!

olbermann is a pig, a sorry excuse for a human being who needs to stop wasting precious oxygen...until that happy day arrives YELLOWTAIL needs to stop advertising on that vile network!

Please notify me @ this Email address when you make the right decision.

Thank you

Rob

Biden vs. Palin
If Biden is so great, why did he tell 14 whopping lies?

He even gaffed on the Constitution.

WHY ARE YOU TRASH TALKING PALIN?
Deborah ...you and your left wingers are unreal you trash talk a superb woman warrior of a politician and BIDEN LIES 10 PURE OUTRIGHT LIES ESP ON MCCAINS VOTING RECORD HE WAS WRONG and noone writes about it? He also had 4-5 debatable lies....he said OBAMA is not ready to lead or experienced to lead the USA...and evidently you have NO CLUE to home security as does Obama...the "Russians are coming to s america with a fleet with over 800 nuclear missles ready to launch and you trash PALIN?
Better wake up lady the fat lady is ready to sing about god bless american end of story cause of you and your types....wake up lady
you and I are running out of time....Pray god Mccain wins and Palin makes you look sick..or we are goners...I know!! The democrats made up the bridge to nowhere nonsense and lies...lies
US Army retired hard

Debra's anxieties
Saunders obviously suffers from the editorial pressures any conservative columnist writing for a leftist rage in a demented leftist mecca such as San Francisco would.

Given the financial state of the SF Chronicle, I'm not going to go any further with criticism of Debra because, knowing what she has been to the Right, she deserves as much consideration as is possible to give.

ONE DEBATE: ONE WINNER - PALIN
Debra, Debra, Debra....
When is the media going to stand to Liberal polititian who blatantly lie to us in national television? Don't tell me that you did not hear the lies he told?
Biden called on Obame during the primaries about Obama saying he would meet with "rogue" leaders" without preconditions. Now Biden said that Obama did not say that" Clinton was impeeched for "lying under oath". I guess lying on national Tv is OK for you.
PALIN WON! BIDEN LIED!

YOU have lost your MIND !
Has everyone lost their MINDS !

Imagine: going to work for a "blue chip" company, showing up for only 143 days and then expecting to be promoted to "PRESIDENT" ! "CFO" ! or "CEO"! (division manager you think?)

Obama has only had 143 active days in the US Senate: A "company (country) of 300 million citizens (employees) so to speak ! ZERO "employment" experience. He was a radical activist. Like in Acorn !

One could expect to be promoted to 'assistant" manager after 143 days with the company of perhaps about 50 employees !

HAVE the citizens of this nation LOST THEIR MINDS ! What are they thinking! WHERE is the outrage?:


Obama the POTUS candidate is the least qualified to be POTUS:

We are facing a very bleak future!

I wouldn't have laughed at Palin's gaffe
... about VP authority. I would have gasped in astonishment. First rule when you're applying for a job -- know what the job description is (maybe, especially when you are already on public record as saying you didn't know what the VP actually does -- even if only jokingly). And, guess what, the VP job description has only two parts: (a) break ties in the Senate, and (b) check the obituaries each morning to see if your boss still has a pulse. For her to suggest that the founding fathers had suggested some other role for the VP would have given her a C- in 8th grade U.S. History class. She couldn't have bothered to look it up?

And, about Biden's saying that he voted not in favor of the war itself but just to give Bush the authority he needed to keep his options open and his threats viability? What's wrong with now saying, "We were duped?" It's a fact that Bush ordered manipulated facts to make it appear that there were WMD's. What would you all be saying now if Biden or Kerry or anyone else had then said, "I'm voting no even though the President says our intelligence agencies have determined there are WMD's and even though it's still his final decision as to whether to use that authority"? You all would have crucified those Senators as unpatriotic. They should be held responsible for Bush's duplicity and subsequent bad decisions? You people blessed with hindsight need to give them a break, otherwise you'll never get congresspeople to vote for war authority when it really might be necessary.

I agree with you guys.
I think Deb was going KP lite and Damning With Faint Praise, here.

The Question is WHY are these PoliticalHO girls sharpening their nails for 'Cuda.

DS gives her bias away with the "right wing kook" example. Is DS a Lesbo? Femnazi?

The other motivation here grubby hinted at.

ALL the PoHos are scared sheiteless that a Palin victory is going to cost them their A-List Party invites. The more the economy tanked and the Inside the Beltloopers began to go up on America's pitchforks, the more their PoHo enablers moved to circle the wagons for them.
The enabling PoHos fear the Hockey Mom Reform Broom as much as the Inside the Beltlooper Worst Congress in History. They fear her because, as John Cleese says in “Silverado” she “ain’t from around these parts.”

To quote the Masked Man in "The Princess Bride" DS: "Get used to disappointment".
mick

You know
It would be a very, very disappointing thing if it turned out that the Catty-ness of Parker and Sanders was, at bottom, motivated by the simple, shallow, fact that Palin is more attractive than they are.

To reduce that much political acumen on such an issue of Vital Importance to the very Future of Liberty and the Republic to a Junior High dis the New Kid "We're the Popular One's" "In crowd" tiff...

God, that would lower my opinion of the Female Political Commentator of any flavor other than Coulter and Ingram to despair level.
mick

Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury ...
What's the difference between a lip-stick-wearing pit bull and Joe Biden?
STYLE
INTELLIGENCE
WIT
CHARM
STRENGTH


And she ain't skared, neither!

Looney liberals sure did look shell-shocked and nervous last night. Poor things, Bless their little hate-filled hearts.

What if, second attempt
It would be a very disappointing thing if it turned out that the Catty-ness of Parker and Sanders was, at bottom, motivated by the simple, shallow, fact that Palin is more attractive than they are.

To reduce that much political acumen on such an issue of Vital Importance to the very Future of Liberty and the Republic to a Junior High dis the New Kid "WE are the Popular In crowd" tiff...

God, that would lower my opinion of the Female Political Commentator of any flavor other than Coulter and Ingram to despair level.
mick

Jaybird
Oh you mean Necessary like after Sodem had nuked, Baltimore say? Or Doc Germ had cooked something up for Half the East Coast?

So W is not allowed to say: "The intelligence was mixed and I HAD to err on the side of prevention."
No HE lied. Poor JoBi was DUPED?

Jay, can you even read a MAP?
Iraq was the NEXT LOGICAL STRATEGIC FRONT in the War FOR SURVIVAL against the Sandnazis. It's so damn obvious that holding it puts OVERWHEALMING US Force ON TOP OF the Political, Economic, Cultural, and Religious CENTERS of GRAVITY of OUR ENEMIES that I get tired of pointing it out to people who are apparently working overtime to stay dumb and in denial.

And to even IMPLY that ANYBODY would be better off with Sodem and Dr. Germ 7 years further along?.....You have GOT to be KIDDING!

To say nothing of the OBVIOUS benefits of having a Functioning Anti-AlQaeda Democracy
in the Mideast.

Why can't you guys just admit W got it RIGHT!?
mick

Debra your true colors are showing
I read the Town Hall articles because I can usually depend on reading commentary that is honest, that stresses conservative pro-America values. Unfortunately, I will unsubscribe from this misguided scree unless TH does a better job of vetting their contributors. You might get a package deal if you vet Islamobama as well, since no one has to date. Quite frankly the MSM is totally in the tank for Islamobama and the America hating Marxists, that populate our once great nation. I don't come to this site to be crapped on by idiots like Debra Saunders taking pot shots at a women who defines what is best about America, who beat the mind numb drone Biden into the ground last night. Hey Debra, been looking in the mirror a little too much lately? Hard to deal with the fact that Palin puts you to shame, hmm! I don't know which debate you were watching but I do know Biden was lying like a rug. How did I know, his lips were moving. To give a pass to the convicted plagiarizer and not take issue with the serial liar while you berate Palin, is irresponsible journalism, you are truly a joke!

People like you and your alter ego Parker turn my stomach because your bias is glaring and not welcome here.

Tara and Jay
We don't Cara what you think Tara. Just because your estrogen is out of whack, is no reason to have a hormone meltdown on this blog. Your obviously misguided since you brought your Marxist talking points to a site that is predominated by real Americans. Next time try Pravda, they would welcome your baseless opinions, in spades!

Jay what can I say, Tara's alter ego found his way onto Townhall. Is the treatment center aware of your veiled attempt to appear normal. Oh, and Jay the only person that was duped was you.

Neither one of you could carry Palin's bag! You can report into your messiah Islamobama and beg for forgiveness because you failed to be taken seriously!

Now get outta here you dummies!

Biden is Part of our Problems!
Biden, after 36 years in DC is the very essence of the misguided direction America is heading toward and is at leastly partially responsible for the sorry condition we are in.
It's time to start alocating accountability and kick out these old timer lying crooks from DC.
Gov. Palin is a shockingly honest and down to earth candidate and our liberal media just doesn't know how to handle honesty.

Debra, in my book you are just another "metrosexual" effete snob like most of your peers.
California perspectives are almost always wrong, the state is bankrupt financially, economically, morally and spiritually, with a credit rating on a par with that of Bolivia.
Jerry Brown was in NY yesterday, being interviewed by Cavuto, with hat in hand, looking for a bailout of $ 7 B from DC as the state can't get loans with the banks anymore. Yet the retards like you in the media push for yet more of the same liberal poisons.

No depth
Sometimes I think people are literally nuts. This writer was not thrashing Palin, for crying out loud. Some of you are so mesmerized by Palin that anything short of "she is the answer to our prayers" is a putdown, then you have to go tear into the writer. The truth is that Both did ok in this debate. Palin exceeded the low expectations, and Biden exceeded his. Both lied many times. Palin is charming and folksy. However, it is clearly obvious that she does not have any depth of understanding about anything other than social issues. Like most, she can memorize, and she regurgitated the memorized talking points well, and she did so in a folksy, warm manner. Some people want Joe Sixpack, a hockey mom to move to higher office. For me, I do not want my president or vicepresident to be one of us, an average joe. I want them to be bright and have a real depth of understanding of the very serious issues that face us. 3 of the 4 candidates have this, Palin does not come close.

Sarah
For the first time in years I heard a politian who was talking to me and not at me. Not since Raegan have I heard a politician talk like a neighbor or a friend on a back porch. The problem was she did it so cotton picking good which proves to me it does not take a Harvard lawyer with years of training in Congress to handle the job of Vice-President.
She would have any Muslim leader on his prayer rug in less than 10 minutes

Bobby: little right, mostly wrong
Bobby,

I agree with you that many of the previous posters were to harsh on Ms. Saunders. I as a hardcore conservative had scored a Palin win, but it wasn't a complete thrashing as some have claimed, biden did ok, it does no good for us to overrate our candidates' performances.

But you're wrong, Bobby, about your 'depth' point. Excutives don't have to know everything about every issue--Jimmy Carter the micro-mismanager proved that. Executives HIRE folks who are experts. Executives, like great authors, only have to have a few deeply held principles (Soviet Union=bad; abortion=bad, etc.), and then conduct the symphony of their experts accordingly. That's why I thought Gov. Palin was sometimes Reagan-esqe the other night.

But unfortunately, as of now, the battleground states are all leaning toward zer0bama, and its hard to see what could change this dynamic, but like in sports, you can't foresee the errors and fumbles, and it ain't ova til its ova, as we say here in MA.

Sarah, hits a home run.
I said a little prayer before the debate, to have God send angles to keep her calm. Well she did, and she was good, Biden looked like he was really an old man, but you don't hear anything about his age.

The Liberal Left Women can't stand Sarah for what is as plain as the nose on your face.
1.She is cute.
2.She dresses like a woman and looks extremely good. The fact she can carry on an inteligent conversation is completely lost of the green eyed liberal women
3.Compare Sarah walking on stage to other candiates leaves no doubt, the green eyed monster has taken over the Liberal Left.
4.I would like to have been a fly on the wall at Hillary's, in one speech she saw her well planned out future going up in smoke, or should one say up in high heels, lipstick and a dress. I loved it.
5. Go Sarah Go, as in Drill baby Drill. I loved her one liners, just to watch Biden try to cover up with a smile.

Biden Flubbed he is supposed to know.
As for Israel & Palestine issues. He looked silly mistaking the facts about Lebanon & Hezbollah. He better take a refresher course on what his story line is in regards to History. Any Israeli watching that debate is still trying to pick their jaw up off the floor.

Sarah
I'm sick of the punditocracy, both left and right, that stares down their noses at Palin. It's not unlike veteran NFL players who "paid their dues" and now must watch a walk-on compete for the jobs players worked their butts off to win.

Unlike NFL teams, however, once the upstart rookie delivers big, the players accept the kid because they want to win. That's all that matters.

George Will and Kathleen Parker don't much like Sarah. I suspect both would rather see her lose. By losing, such pundits can again assure themselves that only people like them should run for national office.

Abe Lincoln is said to have remarked, "God must love the common man. He certainly made enough of them."

Imagine George Will in a powdered wig. "Mr. Will, the commoners are revolting."

Mr. Will sniffs, "Yes. I know."

Sarah should ignore the pundits and at every campaign stop, she should remind us commoners: "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

We in the middle are glad to be stuck with her.

Good article Mrs Saunders.
I don't agree with you on some points as I felt Joe lost major ground because his years of service were overshadowed by tactical errors such as certain votes that he changed History on. It was better for Palin to get him to mispeak and not attack his integrity on the night. Better for the pundits do do so the next day. Very smart move.



Also serious misteps by Biden such as the Hezbollah rant. Or the one where he tried to bluff his way through how he voted for Iraq invasion but didn't actually vote to go to war. He tried the same trick with his stammering through Gay Rights issues. Palin picked up major points by stating Let me me straight up with the American family. She granted that gays have certain rights under her ticket but she didn't agree with changing a Union into devaluing Marriage Contract as Traditional Marriage between a man & a woman. That straight talk resonates with the electorate much better then Washington Double Speak.


I think Palin outshone Bidden on knowing where Biden's comments during his Presidential run. She also drove wedges in Biden & Obama policy such as the roap comments about clean coal not being burnt in US. Or the votes on Military issues. She has wedged some serious issues between Biden ideology & Obama's. I have no doubt that Obamites & Bidenites aren't very happy with the votes and words that came back to haunt them both. Palin did her job and at the same time she presented herself as future Presidential Material.

Balance the Powers


PUMAS FOR PALIN AND MC CAIN!!! Y E S !!!

Here we go again
Another TH pundit trying to get a low score. Congrats, you will.

Winkin' and Blinkin'
Caribou Barbie might not blink, but she sure can wink!

I wonder if George Washington, Abraham Lincoln or FDR winked at their Constituents?

Saunder's saunters past real news...
Yes, that is the whole purpose of having a surname- it tells others how you are to be perceived. She sauntered right past the idea of how America Americans want real Americans in a real American White House- keeping it white and clean. It must be all that brown stuff on her nose that piled up so high she can't see past it.
Palin is going to impale the left anti-Americans. Conservatives will no longer be hiding in the Bush!
Just Saunter away now Saunders, we now know your true color and it isn't red-white-and-blue....

America is coming back
I see that Palin is a true American and finally we have a representative of our true grit nature speaking back to us- and for us again.
It has been many years so of course there is going to be several people not understanding such American heroes.

Don Juan

Do you think Jon Stewart is a news show or reality?
David Letterman for your updates?

Republic Legislators Bash Palin
You know that Sarah Palin is an unqualified candidate when even Republican leaders bash her and tell her to withdraw from the ticket!!

Here are some of their recent remarks and stories you may have missed:

Conservative Columnist Kathleen Parker Urges Sarah Palin To Withdraw
“If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/th e_palin_problem?page=1

First Lady Laura Bush to Los Angeles Times:
Asked if she thought Palin's resume included sufficient foreign policy experience, Bush said, "Of course she doesn't have that."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/09/palin -foreign-e.html

Conservative Journalist George Will, Washington Post:
“The man who would be the oldest to embark on a first presidential term has chosen as his possible successor a person of negligible experience.”

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel (NE):
"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/hagel_palin

Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee:
“(Palin is a) cocky wacko.”
http://tennesseefree.com/2008/09/11/former-republican-senat or-lincoln-chafee-palin-is-a-cocky-wacko/

Alaska State Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican:
She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?"
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html

McCain Has Missed Most Senate Votes
For most Americans, if they worked as little as John McCain does in the Senate, they would certainly be fired.

John McCain has missed more votes than any US Senator in the the 110TH CONGRESS, reports the Washington Post:

#1 John McCain (R-AZ), 412 votes missed (64.1 percent)

#2 Tim Johnson (D-SD), 311 votes missed (48.4 percent) suffered a stroke and was recovering

#3 Barack Obama (D-IL), 295 votes missed (45.9 percent)

And the winner is McCain, who even beat out Tim Johnson who suffered a stroke. Way to go, John.

McCain is a LOSER!

Biden Won The Debate!!!!!!
Biden definitely won the debate!

A new CNN Poll of the debate performance tonight found that
51 percent of viewers say Biden won
36 percent of viewers say Palin won.

A new CBS Poll of uncommitted voters found that
46 percent thought Biden won
21 percent thought Palin won.

Other so-called polls by FIX News and DrudgeReport have NO CREDIBILITY because they are not scientifically done. They are done of website visitors, and that reflects a clear bias. Ask any professional marketing researcher!

Palin avoided answering several questions, and often diverted to other topics to do so. I also think she didn't say anything that separated a McCain Administration from being any different than the Bush Administration.

It was clear that she was talking more from memorizing points rather than really knowing what she was talking about.

Obama has the momentum going into the final month. It's going to take a miracle for McCain to take that back, especially with the continued growing focus on the economy.

Go Obama/Biden!!!!!!!!!

Palin's "Bridge to Nowhere"

Most Americans do not know the truth behind Sarah Palin’s infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.” Here’s the chronology of the events:

1. Palin was for the $400 million Bridge.

2. She was against it when it became politically unpopular.

3. In the end, Palin got a $25 million earmark from the Federal government that Alaska used to instead build the “Road to Nowhere.”

4. In September 2008, the 3.2 mile road opened and has more wild animals crossing it and no cars.

Sarah Palin is NO REFORMER.

Read more at: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-09-20-road-to-now here_N.htm

Whose being liked
the most by Muslim ran countries that hate America?
An Obama win is going to be a big plus for the Iran President and any country that hates America. Get ready libs I do believe your going to have to learn to speak a foreign language if you get your way.

John
Good points. I think the msm has held off on Palin for some reason, they haven't even perused the rape kit scandal.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_sarah_palin_make_ rape_victims_pay.html

Imagine being raped and then getting a bill for $5000. for the investigation!

Donnie
You failed to mention the areas where Biden exposed Palin or Palin exposed herself. In the interest of fairness, allow me to expound:

Palin's supposed "standing up to the oil companies" was nothing more than a windfall profits tax that conservatives have opposed. That tax was returned in part to Alaskans to help fight higher fuel costs. Ironically, the money returned to the Palins was used for Todd's snowmobile racing, hardly a conservative use of fuel. Yet Palin insisted that energy independence was the most important issue facing this country, failing to mention that this country will never realize energy independence as long as it is crude oil based, and as long as we have politicians who applaud driving around in circles for hours at a time as a legitimate form of recreation.






Incredible Infestation
The liberal fleas are all over Townhall today, more so than normal and it's because of two female dogs that keep refusing to bathe- Parker-barker and Saunder-saunter.

Obama media outlet connects to sewer drains- its all going down soon.

McCain/Palin '08

Bobby and JMartin
Naw,
My background and training is Literary Criticism and I know "Damning With Faith Praise" when I read it. One of the give aways was "Okey Dokey". Little Debbie was being not so subtly catty.
Thus would one of the “Popular” girls dis the New Kid to her posse in the Hallway.

I say LD is very PROUD of her ability "to speak beltway speak", it is her metier. Indeed the whole reason for the unsheathed claws from LD’s and KP’s genre is that ‘Cuda doesn’t need them to translate. And when Palin talks right to US, WE don’t need LD and KP to translate for us either.

Little Debbie recognizes a threat to her “In Group” status when she sees one.

So do I.
mick

Unbelieveable!
It's amazing that Biden can get up there and lie with ease, and people like Ms Saunders, just notice his smooth delivery. Obama has this same smooth delivery. They have a lot in common with Hitler. It was obvious that Ms Palin took advantage of having a large audience and wanted to state her case. This is the only time Republicans have a chance to get their message out, and Ms Palin owned that stage on debate nite. Great move. For those of you criticizing her, you just aren't getting the big picture. We are fighting for our freaking lives here! Some of our citizens are drinking the kool aid as the rest of us watch in horror! Wake up people!

Don Jewan ala Byron
Don't signify.
Palin won the IMAGE battle.
Regardless of who wins THIS November, Palin is going to be impacting Politics in the Republic for decades to come.

Palin:08 The Second Shift
(4to12 get it?)

Unfit for command
Barack Obama has not given a straight answer to a single question he has been asked in the last 20 months and when he does answer, he reserves the right to declare what he said is not what he meant. But it is Sarah Palin who evades direct questions. Amazing!

So, the only conclusion that we as the American electorate can possibly reach and the only choice we have for president is Barack Obama because he has speech patterns acceptable to "JOURNALISTS."

All the rest of you scientists, business owners, engineers, educators and just plain working stiffs need not apply; you are unfit for command because you lack the proper speech inflections and extent of vocabulary.

Pundit removal Plan
If we could have constitutional referees present during the debates in house and senate that would be able to set aside a congressman or senator for infractions not allowing them to vote on current bill. Then depending on the infraction they may not be allowed to vote for the next few votes, also.
Then published stats for each Congressman and Senator so it would be easy to decipher their record: days present(DP), Bills Passed(BP), Assists(A), Total Bills Passed and Assist (TBP), Constitutional Infractions equals amount of times not allowed to vote(CI), additional statistics (BPMJ) bills pass when party is majority, and (BPMN) bills passed when party is minority. Oh yes, (YMS) or (YMH) Years in Senate or Years in House, (CST) bills have a Cost or Savings to Taxpayer Value this would be displayed right after their name. You know what this would work for a President and former Presidents having CST rating after their name.
Then we could get rid of bias pundits like Deb.

Sarah's amazing powers
I have not seen a better example of how much impact one little lady can have in America today.

She has them all crying and whining, begging for mercy as they see the shine and the glow of a true mother, wife and patriot.
The very things the people who come here whining and moaning about her hate.

This Debra Sanders has certainly drawn the leftist wackos to post their fears of the little lady.
God Bless her, I love it

Let them at it again
Let's have another debate. Joe had all sorts or "facts". For example the last eight years were an economic disaster; The economy has been, until recently, growing steadily even though we had the attacks of 9/11 and the expence of the war; all manufacturing has moved out (which raising taxes will stop?) and congress decides to give housing away so as to 'provide the poor with the opportunity of accessing the American dream of home ownership'.

Palin needs to ask how, in the economic slow down that seems well upon us, does B and O expect to give us Health care, give us collage educations, give us pre-school for our little ones?

Palin needs to ask, because she lacks the vast knowledge Biden has collected on the workings of congress, "How is it that it was so easy for president Bush and Colin Powell to over come the experience and knowledge gained by our Congressmen and women who have sat on intelligence committees, especially those who've been there as long as he"? She could even sympathize by saying he may have bought some of the crap the Clinton administration was saying about terrorists wanting bio and nuke weapons.
How is it that those who sat on the banking, finance and housing subcommittees were able to allow those greedy wall street guys run away with the public's wallet?

A smarter choice
>Bobby Jindal would have been a smarter choice<

A Romney/Lindal ticket would have been awesome. Unfortunately, the Southern conservatives(the ones who call themselves Christians, but daily show their contempt for Jesus's principles) came out in force against Romney because he's...gasp...a Mormon. He's also a proven economic expert, which would be playing awfully strong right now.

DonJewAn
And Obamiecommie is a first class...well...commie! (Though the Kraut might want to remember the old adage "Still a commie at 30 you have no brains.")
And a First Rate Community Organizer--read Lobbyiest. (I'm not sure Vlad the Impailer and AmentotheJihad are good candidates for Lobbying.)
And a First Rate EuroFag Appeaser!
(Considering how deep in Sodem's pocket they were I'm not sure Bamies First Class World Status fill me with assurance here.)

Yeah, he's A No! all right.

And a First Class Fred and Fannie Fan.
And a First Class member of THE WORST CONGRESS in History!

Palin's batting average in actually GOVERNING as a REFORMER (not just change, change for the better, ACTUALLY ACCOPLISHED--EXPERIENCED!!--REFORM EXPERIENCE!!) .800---80%

Obamiecommie and the 3 Loser Stooges from the Failed Worst Congress in History? .090 9%

Palin has AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE PROVEN ACTUAL EXPERIENCE IN REFORMING GOVERNMENT.

What was that line: "not even close'?

you right.
mick

Don Juan
War on the middle class huh? Spoken like a true comiqr, ol sod. See my The Big Mick blog on TH for the etymology of the terminological exactitude "comiqr."

Hell, boy, even JFK knew that cutting taxes benefited EVERYBODY and that TAXING ANYBODY screwed everybody!

"still a commie at 30"

mick

V
Sure Joe Biden knows a lot of facts. Unfortunately they are just not true. He gets
away with it because of the enablers in the MSM.

BOSNIAKS FOR OBAMA-BIDEN

Don Jewan ala Byron
TAke it up with Lord Byron on the pronunciation
Donnie. You HAVE read Lord Byron, right?

be back later dudes.

mick

Hello Pancho.
Thank you for the raising of your concerns. In fairness the snow mobile races are run to further the Alaskan economy via tourism which those races draw crowds to. A double win.

Another more important point though which you missed and I think you are smart enough to realize. For a number of years now the Democrats blocked the use of Domestic oil while screaming that the US was dropping bombs in the middle east for oil. They have blocked the foreign policy with those cries of Bombs for oil while refusing the tapping of Domestic oil because they claim to be protecting Caribou while many internet pictures show caribou crazing & sleeping under the pipe line. The red herrings that the democrats use in the Bombs for oil claims and the blocking of the domestic oil program show them to be playing politics in such a way that only the Democrats win by that deceit while the American's wanting Domestic oil consumer and your soldiers are demonized. Meanwhile the air conditioners golf carts, super yachts and unfairness of the lower 48 in their use of oil is marginalized by the fact that Todd Palin drives a snow mobile?

Subject: Donnie
You failed to mention the areas where Biden exposed Palin or Palin exposed herself. In the interest of fairness, allow me to expound:

Palin's supposed "standing up to the oil companies" was nothing more than a windfall profits tax that conservatives have opposed. That tax was returned in part to Alaskans to help fight higher fuel costs. Ironically, the money returned to the Palins was used for Todd's snowmobile racing, hardly a conservative use of fuel. Yet Palin insisted that energy independence was the most important issue facing this country, failing to mention that this country will never realize energy independence as long as it is crude oil based, and as long as we have politicians who applaud driving around in circles for hours at a time as a legitimate form of recreation.

Pancho
Well done old pro!
hit your marks and had your lines pat!

Everyone please note that the root of the Hate Palin Crew is in Hatred of the mythical "christian right."

Contempt for Jesus principles huh? Like what? "Thou shalt not steal from the rich to give to who you want? But rather give half your OWN stuff and leave everybody else's the hell alone?

That one?
mick

Donnie misses the point
Nice try with attemting to change the subject. Here's what you didn't address:

Palin says the US needs energy independence. In order to achieve that goal, especially with a crude oil based economy, it is incumbent upon this country to be conservative in consumption of fuels derived from crude.

However, some have distorted the term conservative in support of right wing rhetoric which encourages the use of crude products beyond commerce and necessary transportation to include all forms of recreation, regardless of how irresponsible they are.

Bottom line is that this is a free country and if you want to race a snowmobile, or a truck or car or ATV around in circles for entertainment, you are free to do so. Just don't come back and plea for energy independence or tell me you're espousing conservative principles.

Hate Palin?
>Everyone please note that the root of the Hate Palin Crew is in Hatred of the mythical "christian right."<

I don't know how pointing out that Romney's bid for nomination was short-circuited by the conservative Christian community that is biased against the Mormon religion is based on hatred as opposed to reality, but you certainly didn't make that case. Actually, you made no case except to show that your mind isn't functioning too well this morning.

Saunders
Just another RINO elitist.

yes we can
>We can achieve energy independence in less than ten years, provided that we invest now and aggressively. Yes, we can have it all.<

But as I stated, not with a crude-based economy as we have presently. And even if every off shore and ANWR-type field were suddenly exploited would we be able to be energy independent unless we embraced alternatives(especially LNG) as a commercially viable alternative?

Palin Lied in debate
Sarah Palin lied.
She said Alaska divested in Sudan. The opposite is true. In fact, her administration's testimony killed the bill:
"The legislation is well-intended, and the desire to make a difference is noble, but mixing moral and political agendas at the expense of our citizens' financial security is not a good combination," testified Brian Andrews, Palin's deputy treasury commissioner, before a hearing on the Gara-Lynn Sudan divestment bill in February.

Purpose of the Debate
The debate gave us the opportunity to evaluate the two VP nominees' personalities and likeabilities. I am of the school that likability and not knowledge/experience determines how the electorate vote for the person of their choice. It's equivalent to our highschool elections when you vote for the student you like the most which translates into how best they connect with you. I lost my election by being too erudite and learned my lesson from that in future dealings with people.

Hard to believe
the GOP wants to go through the humiliations of having another "Dan Quayle" as VP. Evidently they don't mind. Palin is a nice lady but completely out of her league in pursing national office. Maybe she'll be ready in 10 years or so, but not now. Or maybe she is using this as a practice run, pretty much knowing she and McCain can't get elected. She's paying an enormous price back in Alaska, too. Her popularity is plummeting.

Campaign Rhetoric
It's OK to blurt out campaign rhetoric BS once in a while. After all, when Biden was not repeating himself over and over he was spouting the party line ( more Bush!, etc). How many lies did Biden tell this time? I can think of a couple at least. How about " Obama did not say I will meet with Ahmadinijad wihout preconditions"? How obvious can a lie be? There were many more! This guy is a meathead!

one star
The only reason I give either of these 'ladies' one star is that 0 doesn't count as a vote.

I can turn to MSNBC for this c___.

McCAIN'S POOR JUDGMENT SWAYS INDEPENDENT

Well, THAT was revelatory!

We've seen this kind of Stepford stealth campaign before, and Americans have rejected the secretive Palin, by a 2:1 margin.

With the albatross of Palin's lies echoing across the U.S., polling is showing a devastating turn against Republicanism. If this is the best they can do, it's over. Pulling out of Michigan confirms the lack of donor support and confidence.

HOUSE: 58 NEW DEMOCRATIC SEATS
SENATE: 10 NEW DEMOCRATIC SEATS

Current, Saturday October 4, 12 point lead in Ohio. 9 point lead in Pennsylvania. 5 points in COLORADO FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!


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PLUS

NINE STRAIGHT MONTHS OF JOB LOSSES.


Bush-McCain-Cheney-Rove Republican party is to blame...

...by a 2:1 margin.

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The Female of the Species
What’s up with the female Columnist at Townhall in regards to Governor Palin? Although Ms. Saunders is not in the category of “Benedict” Parker, what's with the catty criticisms? Although I never had a problem with female bosses my wife hates having them. I’m beginning to understand why, ladies are brutal on each other.

The BigMick
Your posts are fun to read, but, how can a thinking man, not see that Palin is just a gimmick? She is a paper Pit Bull just waiting for disaster to strike. Wouldn't it be best for all concerned to let her go back to Alaska and to raise her family? She sure doesn't like Washington, and you must know how power corrupts. Also, I know several, actually quite a few very intelligent people older than McCain, and they say, "he's too old." And, truth be told is meanness and temper are not a good combo for our republic to have in such a high position.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_ma verick_the_real_john_mccain

I'm afraid I might not get to respond to a reply, my beagles are begging for their walk and I have work to do. Good news though, OJ just got 15-life!!!! Have a great day.

Townhall therapy
For the McCain-Palin supporters. This will be a good place for emotional catharsis--because you've lost. Keep posting, but nothing can change the reality that McCain-Palin is the inferior ticket this time around. Better luck next time.

COLONEL JON RAMBO
Is it true---has McCain thrown MI?

Same subject different verdict
Sarah Palin is one of the folks. She is not one of the Washington elite (thank God). Talk about a breath of fresh air. She is just what we need in Washington. Someone with real values who wont violate them for political gain or more PC BS.
I was staying home in November but now I intend to vote for McCain simply because she is on the ticket.
You all want he to be more experienced thats code talk for yet another washington insider. Look what a great job they have done for US. Wake up America vote for real change.

Don Juan
OK, your shift is over. Be sure to clock out so we can pay you on Friday.
Oh, Obama's campaign manager would like to see you in the lounge before you leave.

Biden
reminds me of that old phrase, and bet money he knows it, "Baffle them with BS!"

She doen't like what Washington became
She had the same problem with Juneau. Thus she went there to help fix her State. Now she wants to fix her Nation and in so doing take the tarnished image off the nation's Capital. Obama & his Barney Frank , Chris Dodd & Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried supporters, fear her more then Ronald Regan's corpse. Good reason to be fearful after seeing Palin in Juneau. Their only hope is to defeat McCain so Frannie Mae , Freedie Mac Politics & money exchanges can continue.

BIDEN SCORED BIG ON THE HEALTH $5,000.00
Biden scored high on his answer on that statement only to politically correct ie brain dead folks. Of course the money would go to the insurance company they would be supplying health care benefits for the money. Lots cheaper than all of us paying the gov 34 billion dollars to insure everyone from 12 million ILLEGAL aliens to felons to terrorist like obama wants to do.

DCR
We were told the same thing back in 2004 with Kerry/Edwards. It was a year the Democrats took back congress and there was no way Bush/Cheney was going to win. With what we know now about John Edwards It appears the people made the right choice.

If Obama/Biden is victorious with a Democratic congress I predict Obama will be 1 term. This year has many similarities to 1976. With the economy in chaos and the energy shortage Democrats are doomed. Much like President Carter, Obama has no expertise in these areas and he will fail. No matter the lies that are being spread energy and the economy are Republican strengths. Obama will tax us into a depression and the Congress will willingly follow.

Some thoughts
First of all Palin did better than hold her own with Biden. She challenged his and Obama's logic and wasn't afraid to point out his tenuous grip of the truth.
Let's face it folks, Obama is going to get many votes solely because the liberals in this country don't care about money, they have none and he's their "messiah". The sooner McCain/Palin realize this the better they can concentrate on the issues and taking down the myth that Obama represents any kind of good change.
I heard it mentioned somewhere that the day before election day many people with 401-K's will be getting their earnings statements. There will be some upset people voting to say the least. Regardless whether this bailout works or not, voters aren't going to forget this scam perpetrated on them by the current Congress. All McCain/Palin need to do is present the facts to the public and stay on them until enough people realize that while both parties carry blame, the Democrats have the most to hide. Frank and Dodd as well as Obama are involved in this up to their eyeballs and the public needs to be informed of this. Despite McCain giving up on Michigan, the independants and undecided voters will make the difference in this election. Add to that the fact that immediately after passing the bill yesterday, Peloser and Obama claimed it would not deter their spending plans if Obama wins. That folks is an additional 1.2 TRILLION dollars at the expense of the military and anyone they consider "wealthy". To these elitist morons anyone making 50K/year is "wealthy". McCain needs to outline his plans to extend tax cuts, reduce or abolish the Cap Gains, and cut spending on pork barrel projects that just don't work. He does this effectively and he wins EASILY. McCain must be honest about Republican's role in this but be adamant about where MOST of the blame lies, with the Dems.

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---- Biden showed more fluency on foreign policy, to be sure. You know he would do a better job on a pop quiz on Israeli-Palestinian relations. ------

Except for the minor fact he was dead wrong on just about every foreign policy issue. As far as Israel, if any administration, while fighting terrorists abroad for national security, forces Israel to accept a terrorist state within its borders it is no friend of Israel. The fate of Rabin will likely fall on any Israeli PM who follows Bush's Road Map To More Jewish Blood, peddled solely for political reasons. Sharon was the last of the Biblical figures and escaped that fate after what he did with Gaza. One recommendation I would give Palin and McCain is never to speak of a “two-state solution”, which in effect is the Final Solution by another name. The Jews gave the koranimals Gaza [ancestral Jewish land- as are the other Arab occupied lands of Judea and Samaria] and how were they repaid? With thousand of missiles being fired indiscriminately into Israel.

KEY STATES GO OBAMA AFTER PALIN MELTDOWN

PALIN SWINGS INDEPENDENT VOTERS FOR DEMS:

McCain's pullout from Michigan presages the downward death spiral for his campaign. A state that was thought to be a slam-dunk for McCain has now been given up.

PENNSYLVANIA: OBAMA 54% McCAIN 39%

COLORADO: OBAMA UP 9 POINTS

OHIO: OBAMA UP 8 POINTS


Nicely done, Mrs. Mavericky Palin....

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Daniel
NICE TRY SKIPPY! Michigan has historically been Democratic and the poll numbers for the VP debate will not be out till Tuesday.

MICHIGAN PALIN PAIN PIQUES

"...historically Democratic"..??

There you go again, goshdarnit!

I thought y'all had a Mitt Romney woodie and deep deep thoughts about your future?

HA! No, President Obama is the only one making sense for the people of Michigan: auto industry in tatters because of failed Bush-McCain "leadership". Lemming-like, right over the edge.

Palin only nails the coffin shut.

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Obama, the socialist king
So what that Biden has a million facts and figures at his disposal - those facts and figures have gotten the American taxpayer into a financial mess -
All the Dems want is PROCESS - Reid and Pelosi and PROCESS all the time.

A democracy will die on PROCESS - Obama's ideal, along with his Marxism.

A democracy must have principle - the exact point of Abraham Lincoln.
Sarah Palin has principle!
She is NOT an insider.

Funny how zerObama screeches Marxist change and hope and then turns back to inside Washington with Mr. Bumbles Biden -
that's not hope - THAT"S DOPE - that's nothing more than process.

McCain/Palin are principle.
I'll take Sarah Palin any day over Biden -
after all Bidens had 35+ years and this is where we are...
The American voter has to ask: am I better off after 30+ years of Senator Biden's facts and figures.
What has he ever done?
When did he warn Americans about the Fannie Mae crisis - after all, he has all the facts!!!

Palin has had two years as governor of Alaska and look where Alaskans are -
much richer with a government they can trust!
McCain/Palin.

READ!!
How a Clinton-Era Rewrite Made Subprime Crisis Inevitable
By Terry Jones
Investor's Business Daily 9/24/08

Dominic Lawson: Democrat fingerprints are all over the financial mess
Friday, October 3, 2008
Independent.co.uk Web


A QUESTION FOR PALIN:
Subject: A QUESTION FOR PALIN:
Subject: A QUESTION FOR PALIN:

In China, when they execute someone, they make the family of the executed pay for the bullet that kills him.

In Alaska, Sarah Palin makes raped women pay for their forensic rape kits.


Q: What's the difference?

Constitution re the VP
Some good may come of the Biden - Palin debate. Sen. Biden said the VP's only job is to break tie votes in the Senate, which is not correct.
The Vice President's duties are defined in Articles I and II of the Constitution.
Article I, Section 3.
Clause 4. The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.
Clause 5. The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States.
Article II (and) Amendment XII (electoral college votes) ;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--
The Vice President’s primary job is to preside over the Senate, as attested by the appointment of a President Pro Tem.
I would like very much to hear that VP Sarah Palin has informed Senate leaders she will move her office from the Executive Branch to the Senate Office Building and will preside over the Senate on a regular basis. That will shake up the "Old Boy's Club" and under her lead we may well see some positive accomplishments.

PALIN OUT-CHENEY'S CHENEY

ha!

The one thing that caught EVERYONE'S attention, and will no doubt start showing up in new ads, is Palin's bizarre assertion of "newfound" VP "powers".

America has had it with the arrogation of power to stealth candidates. Palin's laughable power grab certainly will frighten the last of the undecideds sufficiently.

Really, the one thing that really made jaws drop about Palin is her naked totalitarian ambition.

We've seen quite enough of that, and will explore the last 8 years' worth at The Truth And Reconciliation Commission under President Obama. Likely, VP Biden will preside.


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daniel
Prtetend you are calling us on your cell phone. Here is our answer to you. IGNORE...IGNORE....IGNORE!!!!!

Biden passed?
The only "pass" I see is the mainstream media failing to write an article "Biden Blunders in Debate". He made at least 15 factual errors. If Palin made any of these errors, front pages across America would have trumpeted her defeat. Biden makes then and nothing is said.

Her health care argument
I thought Palin won the issue of health care hands-down. "You want the GOVERNMENT running your health care?!"

What was Biden's position again? :)

McCAIN DOMINATES NEWS CYCLE

Principal, schminciple: McCain is ON IT!

Check this out if you doubt it:

http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_news_cycle_1_ 9305.php

Donna
McCain doesn't care about health care, he wants in for his huge ego. From all that I've read he's also somewhat of a misogynist.

Let's see Palin on her own no props.
The Sunday talk shows are a long American insitution for seeing how someone can withstand difficult questions with follow ups if they try to dodge the question.Obama,Biden,McCain all have done many over the years icluding Fox.If Sarah Palin can't even go on with Chris Wallace on Fox you have to conclude her depth of knowledge is limited to what her babysitters feed her one line at a time.

Biden lost
Your statement of~"Biden showed more fluency on foreign policy, to be sure. You know he would do a better job on a pop quiz on Israeli-Palestinian relations" shows Joe as FLUENT alright, but he made several mis-statements on that subject according to fact checkers immediately following the debate. Joe was often wrong but never in doubt.

You can't win a debate by lying
The absurd notion that Joe Biden did well in the debate, gains credence when it is spread in conservative circles. In fact, Biden was lying and making things up, so he loses the debate by default.

Katie's Diner went out of business 20 years ago, and Home Depot is not on Union Street. Joe's fantasy on Hezbollah and Lebanon has been debunked.

We have spent $177 billion in Afghanistan, not less than $9 billion as Biden claimed. Let me repeat that America. We have spent $177 billion in Afghanistan not less than $9 billion as Biden claimed. And the list goes on and on.

Let's hope Ms. Saunders reconsiders her claim that Biden did well. We already have the left wing Old School media spewing this nonsense. Let's hope conservatives will stop doing it.

Don Juan
Don't you ever to anything other than comment on editorials...get a job!

Please Consider Biden's Resume
and then consider that she was mayor of Wasilla a few months ago - and - that she got put on a plane to St Paul a few weeks ago. It puts things in perspective. It's not revealing that she's very rough around the edges. Each day that is changing. But does she have enough time?




De comment on Don Juan
How else would you know De?

Obama has no principles
Not loyalty--I think they cut across pol. lines-

-he dumped both his church and pastor of two decades;

-he denies a couple decades' friendship and a near decade as working parnters with Bill Ayers, although he could show up as Sec. of Housing and Urban Affairs or Sec. of Ed.

-he denies Rezko who financed him for over a doz. years. and helped pay for O's hous;

-he has no commitment: every statemeent he's made in the prinaries has been changed (he likes change) or *clarified* since;

-he has no faith, because he claims not to have been a Muslim but then somehow became a Christian (which he wasn't to start) and writes in Faith of My Father that he would side with Muslims in world affairs;

-he is not honest, lied about his abortion votes in IL, lies about McCain positions daily, and lies throughout his books through omission--where are his Columbia years? where are his articles for the Harvard Law Review? Where is his law thesis? Where are his med. records?

Name me a principle O believes in and livs by.

As to Palin, the libs. hate her because she has too many principles and lives by all of them.

txchk
ANd how long was Obama running for president before he faced softball questions from Chris Wallace?

Debra Saunders
I sure hope you read all the comments here that your smelly loser article has brought to it.
You have drawn all the idiots from daily cos to come and support you and your stupid comments.
You do not fit here at all, so why not just have your smelly articles posted over at moveon.org?

Good Show
Palin's great success is that she showed courage and the will to fight, something that has been lacking with GOP "men" in elective office since 2000.

She stood on the world's stage, alone, in front of millions of viewers, many of whom have been mocking her and praying she'd fail, and with the weight of the McCain campaign and the entire conservative movement on her shoulders.

She went into that arena standing erect, unapologetic, two things that GOP officeholders and candidates fear to do.

And she made a silk purse out of a sow's ear. She fought valiantly against their seasoned orator, a lawyer with 35 years experience, and she came out unscathed.

At least if we lose next month, we saw a heroine who went out on her shield, with honor.

Let's see any of her detractors in Hollywood take on such pressure. Let's see Tina Fey go in front of the cameras with a blemish on her face. We know why they fear Sarah. Finally someone's on the scene who knows that the Left isn't 10 feet tall and who isn't afraid of being dismissed by the elites in NY and DC.

She inspired true believers in America who've had to endure being marginalized by the cool people on the coasts, those ingrates who hate the country and the people who have made those celebrities so rich and famous.


the verdict
before her debate it was obama 48-44, today it is 0bama 50-42.

she is costing mccain the election but many male conservatives (john mccain) are so mesmerized by her when she winks they will do whatever she wants.

here is rich lowry of national review to make my point.
I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.


besides being scary this is soft core porn and has a ick factor of 8 out of 10.




McBETH!!!

oh my god, that's perfect!!!


And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
In deepest consequence.

Watch McCain's twisting in the wind over the next three weeks.

Watch the vicious Republican Kabuki Theatre of Lee Atwater, dredged up to haunt us, hurt us, and finally, do in McCain.

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IT'S A PERFECT 10 OF ICK !!! EWWWWWWWWW

The whole leering, sneering, winking and nodding about the "hottie" who refuses to answer questions, leads to the only possible conclusion:

It's a robot. Oh, a fairly advanced robot, but that's to be expected. Wink and flirt with her "shout outs" to her "base".

The True Manchurian Candidate!!

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daniel, don juan
OK, you can knock off now. Be sure to clock out -- we need to keep our payroll straight; campaign donations from our friends in the Middle East are decreasing. Oh, will both of you please stop by the office? The Obama campaign manager has a bonus, for your good work in spreading Bravo Sierra and for your well-thought out practice of bending hell out of everything you hear or read concerning the opposition party. Boys, your ability to twist the truth would make a drunken blacksnake green with envy!

Waiving the white flag of defeat
As Gov. Palin so eloquently put it during the VP debate on Thusday: Sen. Obama wants to “waive the white flag of defeat” in Iraq. I think most Americans, right of left of the aisle, do not want that to happen. Regardless of whether or not you supported the war at its onset, not to mention the debacle it transitioned into before Gen. Petreaus got there, we are clearly winning now. The terrorists are on the run, safety is improving, and if we don’t get it right this time, we’ll probably have to go back 10 years from now to fix it anyways. It’s like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq has been doing well lately and it would be crime to let the lawlessness that has reigned for the last 3 years loose once again to ravage the country and its people.

Palin went on to point out that Obama is insistent on pursuing “dangerous” foreign policies and remains “naive” when it comes to the ways of the world. Imagine what people would say about anyone else promoting a 16 month withdraw plan for well over 18 months, and then saying that no revisions were necessary? That sounds pretty naïve to me. Obama says that we must win in Afghanistan, which to him is the central front on the War on Terror (the Generals in the military disagree), and not necessarily Iraq. I can't imagine how we could possibly win in Afghanistan if we capitulate in Iraq. That is a very dangerous thinking.

I think Palin made the decision that voters face this year very clear. Vote for a winner, or vote for a loser.

The real Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26C-rxIVW8


You mean like Todd?
> those ingrates who hate the country <

Mr. Palin spent 7 years as a member of the Alaskan Independent Party(Sarah regularly attended meetings as well), a party that promotes the secession of Alaska from the US.

AIP founder Joe Vogler:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."



PALIN LIES ENBOLDEN U.S. ENEMIES DARNIT
Subject: PALIN LIES ENBOLDEN U.S. ENEMIES DARNIT

...and make us all less safe. Her, and John's, dangerously ignorant understanding about how the world works (look at their "ideas" about Iran!), must make bin Laden rub his knobby fingers. "nukular is the be-all, end-all, goshdarn it!"

Bless their hearts, this is a perfect insight into the next few weeks. The Lee Atwater dirty tricks, Rove Slime Machine is in high gear:

The America haters will attempt to smear Senator Barack Obama as "the other". They are failing so badly now, that what was only a whispering campaign is now a shouting campaign: AIEEE! OBAMA IS A COMMIE! OBAMA HATES AMURCA! OBAMA HAD TWO BLACK CHILDREN!!

See? It's easy. And what do we call people who fall for such mendacious malfeasance?

Republicans.

It's in their genes, doggonit. Bless their hearts, they see and respond to the fear that their "leaders" use to direct their scrutiny away from how criminally they have raped our country, killed our brave children, and mortgaged your children's futures.

FEAR: IT'S A REPUBLICAN THING.

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the results are in PALIN IS A WINNER!!!
BIDEN IS FOR A CASTRO-STYLE CUBA,B.HUSSEIN IS THE SAME ONLY WORSE!

SEE? TOLD YOU...


"In my hand, I hold a piece of paper with the names of known Communists in the State Department!"


we all know how THAT turned out....


Fear, Baby, Fear!


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Saunders, The Critic
Lighten up, Deb. You don't want to go the way of K.P. Her name is mud,now and all the bleach in Washington could not clean her up and make her presentable.

Neither of you see your problem. Right after you do a critique of the 'little messiah',holding 'His Majesty' to the same standards as you have Palin,then you may have the right to criticize her. Have you done that?

How do you think the left would have acted had Britt Hume been the moderator? If Hume had written a pro-Palin book with the $$ payoff being dependent on her winning in November?

Think they would have accepted it and kept their mouths shut? It would have never been tolerated. They would not have accepted Hume with or without a book. Hypocrits,liars,tramps and thieves.


HEY, ROWLY, LOVE THAT CHER, BABY!

"GYPSIES, TRAMPS AND THIEVES..."!!!!!!



hahahaha.......the entire world is FINALLY catching on!

When even conservative critics see through The Stepford VP Nominee, you know it's over....


thank god....

.

Punk
Joe hair plugs must have about to pop out, when Sarah stuck it to him;;Can we all say: lobotomy
& hair plugs, GOD must be working..If Ifill is a
journalist then BHO is a christian..right:

Doc
Army

daniel
Put a sock in it,danny-boy!

GOSHAROOTY AND DADGUMMIT!
Sarah Palin is the perfect exclamation point to the Bush years.

We’ve lived through nearly two terms of an administration that believed it could create its own reality:

“Deficits don’t matter.” “Brownie, you’re doing a heckuva job.” “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere.”

Now comes Ms. Palin, a smiling, bubbly vice-presidential candidate who travels in an alternate language universe. For Ms. Palin, such things as context, syntax and the proximity of answers to questions have no meaning.

In her closing remarks at the vice-presidential debate Thursday night, Ms. Palin referred earnestly, if loosely, to a quote from Ronald Reagan. He had warned that if Americans weren’t vigilant in protecting their freedom, they would find themselves spending their “sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was like in America when men were free.”

What Ms. Palin didn’t say was that the menace to freedom that Reagan was talking about was Medicare. As the historian Robert Dallek has pointed out, Reagan “saw Medicare as the advance wave of socialism, which would ‘invade every area of freedom in this country.’ ”

Does Ms. Palin agree with that Looney Tunes notion? Or was this just another case of the aw-shucks, darn-right, I’m-just-a-hockey-mom governor of Alaska mouthing something completely devoid of meaning?


Bob Herbert

It must be catching
Now Danny boy has PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome).
Mention her name or show her picture and he goes into fits.

HEY, McCAIN'S UP IN GEORGIA ON OUR MIND!


hahaha....hey, they sun shines on even McCain's extremis some days, eh?

Georgia.....Georgia....the whole day through...



RASMUSSEN: OBAMA UP BY 12 POINTS


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VIRAL SANITY: TELL A FRIEND

C'mon, McCain, 'splain it...


John McCain has spent most of his adult life speaking of his love for his country. Maybe he sees something in Sarah Palin that most Americans do not. Maybe he is aware of qualities that lead him to believe she’d be as steady as Franklin Roosevelt in guiding the U.S. through a prolonged economic downturn. Maybe she’d be as wise and prudent in a national emergency as John Kennedy was during the Cuban missile crisis.

Maybe Senator McCain has reason to believe that it would not be the most colossal of errors to put Ms. Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.

He’s got just four weeks to share that insight with the rest of us.

Herbert

ISO A new conservative website
This one is so infested with liberal agitators (not to mention some of the columnists) that it is no longer tenable. In the meantime, the good folks at Townhall should seriously pursue copious quantities of "RAID" to get rid of the cockroaches.

A good first target would be to stop posting the political poison in the form of AP stories.

confused & fibs from the mouth of Joe!
Big deal, after a long career Joe can go into much foreign policy detail but lots of it was misleading. Did he not remember or not know?
Biden gets too much credit while Sarah with the brainpower, innate intelligence is discredited!
Better to have common sense, one can always gain knowledge. Ex Democrat

SEE, IT'S THE INNATE IDEOLOGY...

Since Palin refuses to answer questions, media should refuse to cover her. Period.


My question:

"Hey, Sarah! When humans and dinosaurs were playing cards together in Russia, did they sell stone tools on eBay?"


Just askin'....

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Tara exaggerates as much as Biden duh!
Sarah got it right on her VP answer. She expects to do more then attend funerals etc,.
As for not pronouncing one name right, at least she knew it. How come you don't realize all the distortions of the truth, cofused Joe presented?! We know why, you have been seduced by the illusionist Rookie Obama and know not what you say! Better to have Sarahs common sense then experience. One can grow in knowledge like Joe has but can't grow innate intelligence like the bright Lady Sarah!
Ex Democrat

An Explanation
The venom being expressed by liberal men is explained by their hatred and fear of women, especially strong women.

It's why liberal men pymp and prostitute their women and get their women to otherwise degrade themselves so they lost their self esteem.

It's why liberal men turned on Hillary in favor of Obama.

It's why liberal men drive their mistresses over bridges and let them drown while their ponder their political careers, and it's why liberal men rape and humiliate their women, to keep them down. Check out how many iconic liberal men have molested women: the Kennedys, Clinton, Spitzer, and the many others.

The strange thing is that liberal women love this abuse. I suppose with their superior intellects that need stimulation, liberal women thrill at the expectation of possibly being murdered or molested.

They're all kind of weird if you ask me.

Daniel
Since the media refuses to uncover the dirt that's sitting on the surface for all to see about Obama, we should refuse to support the left-stream media in this country.

My question:

"het Obama, when you were playing cards with Rezko and Ayers, did they "let you win" so you would have big bucks in your campaign war chest?"

Just askin'....

Gov. Palin "Called up from minors"
Gov. Palin was called up from Triple-A to the Big Show.
Whiffed a few spitballs from the usual suspects.

Not even news-worthy, Couric has a long history of "gotcha" garbage when dealing with non-libs.
So what.

Then Gov. Palin knocked that PBS lib outta the park.

Now that we know she can hit - let's put her on offense on the pitcher's mound.

Maybe she can be our "closer."

I Don't Get It
During the nomination process, McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Rudy and Paul were brutally excoriated by posters on this forum.

Yet any criticism of Sarah Palin is taken as an afront to all that's holy. If Obama is the "Messiah" to libs, Palin has become the "Virgin Mary" to some of you.

Mypetgoat,we like folksy,friendly,humor!
You must be a struffed shirt, afraid of 'Unlikeness'? Lighten up, is her offensive wink the best you've got? Ha! I'm a southern bell, with good manners and personality, I'm glad I can wink! Go Lady Sarah we love your free Spirit! Ex Democrat

VIRGIN SARAH!

Hey, I was just reading on Townhall that Sarah Palin is actually A VIRGIN!! I'm not kidding, it's on Townhall!!!


She was all abstainin' and whatnot, and then BLAMMO! Five kids!

It's a miracle, apparently! Hallelujah!

More at hannity...

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She won against Biden since he
couldn't edit the tape to suit him.

Remember in 92 Don Hewitt of 60 Minutes bragged he edited the Clintons' interview to keep Big Bill in the race.

It's the reason CBS should be DBS, the Democrat Broadcasting System, right alongside NBC and NPR, also in the running for Democrat Broadcasting Systems. Worse, we FUND NPR to propagandize against us.

If Reps. ever get majorities again, they should eliminate tax funding for PBS, NPR, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, student loans (which the WSJ says is the next meltdown), get the Fed out of the SEC and stock market, and let successful business succeed and failing businesses collapse.

And set Palin free.

People, Mac and Sarah need money and volunteers, or soon you will have the Big O knocking on your door to join his domestic vol. corps and the *Fairness Doctrine* demanding you cannot post on TH unless you are balanced by Robert and KingLiberal.

Lepanto,gals not proud loyal like Blacks
Right, females tend to be catty, jealous and fail to support their own and perhaps to gain favor from promoting the guy? They are satisfied to let the better lady musician play second fiddle to the fumbling man. Same old timey attitude, 'its a mans world'! I'm a free Spirit, may the best man or woman win! If I can't say anything good about a lady, I'll try to hold back. With Palin, I'm shouting from the rooftops, ha! Go sincere, bright Sarah.

VP Debate
Anyone watching that debate who believes Palin is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency should do the country a favor and not vote. She didn't even understand the essence of Cheney's ridiculous assertion that he is not part of the executive branch. We're talking Government 101 here.

LOOKS LIKE SOROS TROLLS ARE OUT SURFING

Too bad that Daniel from California can't catch a few surfs while they are still up along the beach instead of surfing Conservative sites plugging hate for OBAMA.

Just remember Daniel...there are Great Whites in cyberspace too and I sure hope they won't take you for a seal while youre out here surfing!! :O)

Richard:
And Obama thinks the judicial branch should legislate.

Governor Pailin
She handily won the debate over the arrogant leftist biden. He spent nearly all his time accusing McCain of voting the same way as balack. Hardly seems possible as Senator McCain doesn't make a practice of voting "present". The good governor was honest, straight talking, calm, and witty throughout the event. I hope she refuses to interview with "journalists" that ask loaded questions of republicans and won't ask a leftist a policy or history question for a million bucks. I have long been done with commies in the press. To me, they are irrelevant. The worship communism and are fascists without considering the history of the press in either of those ideologies. If they manage to hand our nation over to the left, they think they will be among the elite to rule over us peasants. In reality, as seen in history, they will be trampled, controlled, disdained, and destroyed by those they hold in such high esteem. Careful what you wish for....

Richard
"Anyone watching that debate who believes Palin is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency should do the country a favor and not vote."

You should do Townhall a favor and not post. Having said that, you're not going to stop posting, are you?

S.P a super bright star that won't fade
'O' is a smooth talking slick Willie and his
ideas & gift of gab is taken/copied from impres-sive great minds and influencial speeches.
Left to his own resources, the Novice Obama is an emptymind/suit! Joe and 'O' both plagia-risers, deserve each other but America deserves better! God help us. Ex Democrat

richard
You think you're talking government 101. You must have studied under ayers. The Vice President position is mentioned in the constitution in article 1 where it talks about the legislative branch. Grab a copy and read it. You may just find yourself leaning to the right.

vickey from fl
I like your posts! Go Sarah!

Palin is now claiming
Obama hangs around with terrorists LOL! I knew the campaign was getting desperate but this is ridiculous. I read 40 comments on the CNN.com article and all but one was negative towards Palin for lying. And I must say I'm amazed how much women detest this woman. I kinda worried that women would vote for Palin, as a woman, and with Hillary out of the race. Not hardly. The worst comments about Palin seem to come from other women!

SP will be the first female President!
Palin is a natural, super smart talented
'Sarah of all trades'! A star that soars and will not burn out! She stle the great pretender, Obamas, thunder and now slow Joes! Cool it anti-Palin Obamacan'ts! Should your false Prophet win by hook and crook, you will wish McCain/Palin almost anyone but the strawman 'O' had won instead! Time will tell. Be careful what you wish for! Wake up and see the darkness of the deluded Rookies tunnel vision! Ex Democrat

Jeffrey
The terrorist just used B. Hussein Obama to further his own agenda. And BHO was only to happy to satisfy his own political ambitions and become Ayers little gopher in Chicago.

Grow up you loser. I know you leftists will be elated if a traitor like Ayers has a neighbor in the white house. But filth like Ayers and his creep of a wife who spewed the lowest comments about the Manson murders should be kicked out of this country, rather than collecting large paychecks and pensions for poisoning the students in Chicago.


Jeffrey
"Hard to believe
the GOP wants to go through the humiliations of having another "Dan Quayle" as VP."

Dan Quayle? Why go so far back? What about George "is our children learning" Bush?

RE: McCain better get to work shaming...
Congress for larding the bailout bill with all that pork and working to get both houses to pass a bill that revokes the extra spending heaped onto this shameful package

I'd say fat chance, McCain has already stated that he wants to run a gentlemanly campaign. He better forget that theory and go back to the concept that politics, divorce and war all have something in common. One side looses and the other side wins.

Daniel
Another "quote"

Here I hold in my hand the treaty signed by Herr Hitler....Never go to war again

We know how that turned out.

Sprechen sie Deutsch?

Stupid Trolls Working Overtime.
If the left wing trolls here are getting paid for quantity of polls,they are making 'big bucks'. If it's quality....now that's another story. Just the same crap over and over.

Rowly @ 11:32pm
You are exactly right.

I also note that when the trolls are desperate, as they are now, the posts come at a faster rate and become more acidic.

BDS, PDS and McDS have infected them all.

I wonder how often during the day they get their talking (posting) points from Obama central, and then commence to cut and paste at a furious rate. I guess this must be the "fast response teams" we've heard about.

glenn6431
Probably they get briefings to correlate with the posts by conservatives and the so-called news from the MSM,who only report one side. They are 'one-trick ponies' and we consider the sources.

A general response
There has been a meme in the offing for some time around Townhall, one that seeks to scapegoat "liberal men" for failing to fall in love with that model of True American Womanhood, Sarah Palin.
You can think what you want to think. But I'm a deeply liberal feminist woman, and I just have to respond to some of this, even though it's stupid and I should just ignore it. I have to because liberal men would not recognize themselves in your caricature even enough to understand that they were its target. The caricature really looks more like a conservative projection than anything grounded in observation.
It's true that some men are afraid of women. This has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. I have seen it in both, but conservatives are more likely to see their fear as a legitimate response to a threat and react violently.
In general, liberal men are not that interested in controlling women. This does not mean that heterosexual relationships are not complicated by traditional gender roles, but liberals tend to see enforced gender roles as something to overcome, rather than something to embrace.
This stuff about liberal men being pimps who farm out their women as prostitutes rings really false & lame. I'm married to a liberal man. He's a public school teacher. When he comes home from work, I'm usually not there. He cleans the cat box and puts the groceries away. I come home, we talk and make some dinner together. Then he works in his office and I work in mine. Then we watch The Daily Show and go to bed. Our routine is fairly typical among liberal 30-somethings, I would venture.

Gwen Ifill sandbagged Palin...
...with that question about Cheney's remarks. Gwen was not unaware that that question was premised on an obscure and largely forgotten remark of a member of her party, and that the remark was largely true.

The VP does, in fact, have legislative duties as the president of the Senate. It's a non-issue for members of his own party and not likely to be committed to memory. You can easily look it up in the Constitution, if necessary. Whether that offers protections described by VP Cheney is another matter. The point is, it is highly unlikely that a governor, and former mayor, would have committed to memory the details of this minor incident and it's underlying constitutional issues. Biden was in the senate, calling for Cheney's head, and would be expected to be intimately acquainted with the incident and it's premises, even though he seems oblivious to what the Constitution actually says regarding the duties of the VP.
Ifill deliberately set up Palin for a "gotcha" question that she knew Biden could address, even though he ultimately got it wrong.

trolls
It seems to me that anytime someone on this site offers up a fact that the general right wing readers of this site don't like they start calling commenters names. You all need to go spend some time on factcheck.org or Politfact.com and get some real information before you start name calling. Palin had just as many mistatemeent or lies as Biden if not more but you guys aren't willing to look at facts. You are so deeply entrenched in hatred that you can't see beyond your own noses.

DANIEL
By your comments, you are following your radical leader's mantra of "getting in their face." Well, this will give us McCain/Palin followers ever more reason to fiercely promote this ticket so to prevent your radical socialist pig from getting anywhere close to the presidency. I plan to make calls all this week to Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Nebraska, and Ohio independent voters. That's exactly what I will do. McCain/Palin will win on November 4.
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