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Friday, April 10, 2009
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Coming to Terms With Term Limits
by Burt Prelutsky
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Some people would have you believe I’m as stubborn as a Missouri mule. I prefer to think I’m principled, that I say what I mean and mean what I say. By the time I take a position, I have considered the pros and cons, balanced off the positive and the negative, considered it from every angle, and only then voiced an opinion. After all that, it would take dynamite or a very sizable bribe to make me change my mind. However, I have done that very thing and I don’t even have a freezer full of cash to show for it.

The issue is term limits. When people first began making a case for them, I was completely opposed. I felt that if the voters were happy with their elected officials, it was only right they be free to keep re-electing them. I have completely reversed my position. For one thing, I have come to believe that incumbents have far too great an advantage over their challengers. These days, I don’t want any of them -- even those few I actually approve of -- staying in office for more than a few years. I also don’t want them to be allowed to run for some other office. Here in California, where we have term limits, the politicians simply play their version of musical chairs, whereby once they’ve used up their time in, say, the assembly, they then make a run to be a state senator, mayor or U.S. congressman.

The sad fact of the matter is that those people who spend their entire careers in so-called public service do not regard themselves as our servants, but as our masters.

A recent study found that mental abilities peak, on average, at the age of 22 and begin declining five years later. If true, it would help explain the state of things in our nation’s capitol, where the average age of the hundred senators is 65, with New Jersey’s Lautenberg and Hawaii’s Inouye and Akaka all in their mid-80s, while Robert Byrd, who will soon be entering his third childhood, was born shortly after Woodrow Wilson was re-elected.

I wouldn’t want to make too big a deal of age, except to suggest that there is something unseemly about men in their 70s, 80s and 90s, who haven’t done an honest day’s work in the past five or six decades, and have instead devoted their time to building up fiefdoms the size of which would have turned old English dukes and earls green with envy.

I also wouldn’t want to place too much emphasis on intelligence when it comes to our elected officers. Scientists and mathematicians often have abnormally high IQs. Politicians, on the other hand, have enormously huge egos and insatiable appetites for power and celebrity.

These days, even commentators who disagree with his politics find it necessary to call President Obama “brilliant” with such regularity, you might get the idea that it’s his first name.

It reminds me of the way the MSM kept telling us that Hillary Clinton was the brightest woman in America. The way they trumpeted her intelligence, you’d have thought she’d come up with a cure for Parkinson’s when, in fact, the smartest thing she’d ever done was to marry a serial adulterer.

Before Hillary came along, the same folks kept insisting that Jimmy Carter was smarter than Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein put together. Liberals are constantly sticking some fool’s brain on a pedestal simply because they approve of his or her left-wing agenda. They are so in awe of their political idols that I keep expecting Chris Matthews, Bill Maher or Keith Olbermann, to break the news that, on top of everything else, Barack Obama plays basketball better than Kobe Bryant or LeBron James.

Speaking of the president, it occurred to me that he has single-handedly buried the old maxim about talk being cheap. Every time he opens his yap, it costs the American taxpayer another trillion dollars.

Finally, although I hate to sound too cynical, it strikes me that Obama intends to fix the economy exactly the way the vet fixed my dog, Duke.

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Burt
You are incorrigible, you better watch out the
brainfried, LSD tripping hippies running around the capitol play at being leaders are gonna get
you. : ) It would be much better if an army of vets would 'fix' those twits ruling us, they deserve it more than Duke.
I've asked my husband how come he had to retire early (forced) and Sheets and the other geezers
get to work as long as they like on our dime.
I wasn't too happy when Strom insisted on over staying his time, and even less that these
won't have the decency to leave.

The Peter Principle
Burt,

Many politicians seem to me to have reached their level of incompetence. All they do after that is lateral arabesques. The only reason I can think of whythe Founding Fathers did not impose term limits on the politicians is that they could not comprehend anyone in their right mind spending more than 10 years in Government service.

why term limits won't work
As Burt said, there's a musical-chair game about what positions to take after the first elected position is available. I've always thought that a "no more years working for government than you've spent prior to any government job working in the private sector" would be the way to go. But then years working for ACORN would be counted the same as an honest job. There's got to be some way to make folks have some real world experience, isn't there?

BHO
term limits YES and for those who are not forthcoming with their birth certificates they should be denied office and not be allowed to run for office ...why is this remake of Hitler who cares not one IOTA for the "people" in office ??? The American people need to wake up NOW !!!

Term Limits
What do we need to do to make it happen. We desperately need term limits. Feinstein, Boxer, Frank, Dodd, et al...need to go!

Burt
Another homerun. Your column can be summed up in three words "Joe Biden"

Term limits - oh, hello - YES!
May I add - No more raises that they get to vote for themselves??

It’s interesting that you bring this up
I have been thinking about the state of our country a lot (as I’m sure most here have). I keep trying to find the “end of the thread” so to speak in wondering how we got here. What is the bottom line?

I have come to the conclusion that the disastrous state of our country is due to a lack of term limits. Every new story I read leaves me appalled at what our politicians have allowed to happen. I keep asking myself “Are they all crooked?” “Is there not a single one of them with any integrity?” And if that is the case, why have we chosen these bottom feeders to run our country?

The dilemma happens because politicians are just like the rest of us. They don’t want to lose their jobs. They have bills to pay and kids to put through college. The longer they are in office, the less qualified they are to do anything else, and the more frightening the thought of starting a new career.

They end up often times doing what is best for themselves instead of what is best for the country. They justify this by telling themselves that they can’t do good unless they are in office, so a little compromise is necessary. The truth is they are doing more damage than they would if their seat was vacant. Multiply this state of affairs by every senator and congressman in office and what you have is a recipe for disaster, which is exactly where we are.

By allowing only very limited terms for service, our leaders would be able to focus more on doing good for the nation and less on keeping their jobs. They would also not be out of the loop for so long that finding another career path would be next to impossible. We would also be more likely to attract men and women with real ambition to serve the country and not just people looking for power.

Yes, please!
Term limits for all. It's amazing that we don't require our politicians to have some other source of income or at least some kind of proof that they could support themselves in the real world.

Politicians expect that once they are in, they have a potential to milk their position for decades. That promise almost guarantees that they will immediately stop caring about what got them elected and turn all of their effort toward remaining in office indefinitely.

This is why most politicians are like clones of each other. They may disagree with the other side, but they are all united in a common goal -- staying in office. This is bad for the American people on every level.

Politicians come and go, but lobbyists..
Are forever. I am all in favor of term limits, and have been for years, but if the same broom that sweeps them out of town does not also take with it all those lobbyists on K-Street, the problem won't be fixed. Moreover, everything I've read about the ways politics is "done" suggests that it is staffers behind the scenes who write the legislation.

Along with term limits, we should enact within every political campaign a "none of the above" choice, which if it "beats" the party candidates on the ticket, forces the whole process to be repeated with new faces on the ticket (no do-overs til next go-round). Finally, the voters should have the ability to recall inept, corrupt or otherwise flawed elected officials, right on up to the White House. Something like the parlimentary system, in which a no-confidence vote can force the dissolution of a government.


Good column, good thread
Burt: Welcome aboard. This country hasn't had a completely new government since the first one. I'm glad you've joined those of us who think a shakeup is long overdue.

C_Miner: Experience isn't everything. Jimmy Carter had served in the armed forces and run a business before he sought elective office. There's no way to keep tyros like O'Blahblah from winning important positions, but term limits would keep them from digging in.

J-10: Your post is the funniest thing I've read this week. Thanks.

Georgia Boy 61: (1) Term limits wouldn't eliminate the pernicious effects of lobbying, but they would make it more costly. Every few years, lobbyists would have to bribe a new crop of officials. (2) Why not limit the terms of staffers, too? (3) I don't know about moving toward a parliamentary system, but giving voters the option to choose None of the Above without staying home is an excellent idea.

Many good ideas on this post...
...but term limits are not one of them.I think our problem is that the federal government is simply too much involved in our everyday lives.We have all watched Washington stick their fingers in all kinds of issues that should be local,and run by local people.We have lost the concept of "federalism" and the States have lost their concept of "sovereign"."Original intent" of our Constitution is simply history now,and people have moved on to do the best they can with "what is" instead of "what should be".After all,we have a living to make to support our families, and an everyday life to live.Political junkies like us enjoy getting together and talking politics and policies,but we have to realize that most of our neighbors have other interests they rather pursue,and in fact,they do so.

But let the arguments begin!

Great colunm Burt, five stars
I would also add that any political hopeful not be able to use non-public money. That would level the playing field and keep special interests out of the political process and would return OUR VOICE back to influencing the conduct of our government.

Got my 5 stars too
How about adding another column a week to your workload devoted only to exposing the zombies in office. Maybe a staffer could do it for us under your title. Most of "our" congressmen couldn't pass a quiz on what they have passed.

You funny man!
Very jealous of other's success! You funny man. Tell the comic story of others then ignore own silliness. Very funny! I like when you are become angry because other people more successful. Lazy you then gets funny!

Xerxes
What are you? 5?

HaHaHa!
Very witty, Burt.

Now all we have to do is convince these career politicans to pass an amendment to the constitution kicking themselves out of their cushy jobs.

I don't see any problem with that I'm sure they'll be happy to do it! HaHaHa!

The problem as I see it
is we will Never have Term Limits because our law-makers aren't about to place limits on themselves.

It would be like the fox in the hen house pulling his own teeth and deciding to eat grain.

I'm much more in favor of slapping the idiots with jail time when they advocate anything that is unconstitutional (in an Originalist sense). You know...failure to follow their OATH to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC results in immediate criminal charges.

Not only jail time, but the revokation of all their perks (pensions, health care etc) to boot.

Of course, I dream of Change. Not for Change's sake but to return to our grass roots of individual Liberty and Justice for ALL.

If we truly did that, 90% of the criminals in office would be gone or in jail. If they were held accountable with significant punishment on the line for failure, we MIGHT get honest men.

But, there we are at the crux of the problem once again. Our Lawmakers are corrupt. They make the rules, and we pay the bill in lost earnings and lost liberty. And no one holds them accountable. They are worse than the Mafia, because at least with the mob there is some checks and balance in place from the competition.

You can't count Dem/Rep as different 'families' because they are all eating out of the same trough. And after only ONE elected office they are set up for life on the public payroll.

Welfare in the most corrupt sense: Unearned income to folks who don't deserve it, and those of us taxpayers that fund their little jaunts to Cuba, and multiple teleprompters, and Wagyu beef parties, etc. etc. can't even feel good about helping our fellow man...We just feel used and dirty like the rape victims we are.

I see...
...Jerxes is back. :-(

$1
Instead of term limits why not $1 a year saleries.It then would be public service.

a
"Why is it blah, blah, blah...

Then dont read him, jeepers creepers it isnt that frigging difficult to figure out.

about time
It's about time the pundits come around to the right way of thinking about the term limits issue. For years many middle Americans out here have been saying that, given our system of citizen government, no one should be allowed to make a career out of elected public service. The only ones who support perpetuity in elected office are the ones seeking to hold onto power over others.

While we're considering a constitutional amendment about term limits, why don't we also consider adding another amendment that requires the states to pay the salaries of their congressional delegates. Make the pay merit-based and give the states the authority to raise or lower the pay as they see fit and only with an up-or-down vote of the state legislature.

With a term limits amendment, America will no longer be subjected to the whims of demagouges and oligarchs and could actually have a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people".

Term Limits
The only way to acheive the laudable goal of term limits for our elected officials ( other than them imposing it on themselves - fat chance) is to call a constitutional convention which can be done by the state legislatures. HOWEVER, once the convention is called there will be no limits as to what can be discussed and/ or enacted. This would be fraught with danger in our present environment since the media and educational system have abdicated their roles of informing and training the populace. We might end up with 'green' amendments etc. depending on the guts and honor of the representatives at the convention.
We would be better off selecting our representatives by lottery than having career politicians.

In addition
to Burt's suggestion of term limits, I'd like to see all jobs for elected senators and representatives be considered part-time, meaning no perks, no pension, and pay at one-third or less of the salary they think they are entitled to now. Actually, I'd like to see them all paid minimum wage part-time, but then they'd raise that until there was no business left in this country.

An employment restriction clause for a period of five years that would prohibit any senator or representative from going to work for any company, local or state government who stood to benefit from decisions made while the respective legislator was in office and serving on special committees.

Also, the prospective senator or representative must show a US birth certificate at the time he or she files to run for office.

Won't solve everything, but we'd all sure save a hell of a lot of money, and grief, doing away with the perks, the pensions, and half the salaries. And Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be able to spend two years floating NON-BINDING resolutions through the House of Representatives in order to look busy so later the Democrats might turn around and blame everything they failed to do on someone like Bush.

Term limits
They sound like a good idea at first, but the REAL problem is entrenched staffers. They actually writs the bill and tell the elected official what the bill does, what to say. etc.
The best idea I've read on this thread is part-time pay for the part-time work they do. Cut salaries, cut office budgets, h$ll, cut the size of governemnt.
Many congressman and senators were rich before being elected, More got rich WHILE in office. Just why do they need salaries over $10,000/year or an overly generous pension?

Exactly right! "... people who spend

their entire careers in so-called public service do not regard themselves as our servants, but as our masters."

And at what point does it go from "public service" to "public career?"

I submit that we not only go to "term limits," we also limit Congress' sessions to 3-4 mos. a year.

It was originally... when it was true "public service" Congressmen went to DC, did the peoples' business, and returned home to take care of their own farms, businesses, and families.


I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on the intelligence of our elected officials either.

Just try to watch more than ten minutes of C-span!!!


bostguy112: Pay no attention to "a"...

He's just the quintessential troll who never has anything to say, much less contribute...




Term Limits
I have always been against Term Limits at the federal level for fear that they would give even greater power to those unseen folks in the wings called "Staff".
But I do find it curious that since there has been a Democratic majority in Washington until your article I haven't seen or heard the term, except regarding RINO Bloomberg in N.Y.

Re: Kuddos!!!!
I am all for it, that is part of what is wrong with our gov. and the other problem is that these clowns have forgotten that they work of us and that we are their BOSSES, so yes term limits is the way to go!!!

Amend the Constitution
Before anyone can hold office they must have worked at a "real" job for at least 10 years. Then we should term limits on ALL elected positions. Its idiotic to have people like the kennedys making decisions that affect avg american citizens. They are inferior to most of us intellectually, emotionally, morally yet their decisions impact our lives? They are the BEST reason for term limits.

For now though
the only way to term limit these parasites is to vote them out. Considering the brain cell count of those who continue to put them in office I'm not too optimistc.

Really, who thinks Red Nancy Pelosi is doing such a great job? She is still giddy over being second in line to the Presidency!

a
You lose brain cells when you read Burt????


INCONCEIVABLE! You can't lose what you don't have.

Career
As you and others have said, the concept of “career politician” is counter to what was intended at the onset of the United States. When “career politicians” career politic, we have a ‘career government’ that becomes so complex that only “career politicians” can supposedly handle it. Hello … our government was not intended to be a faux business.

Great column, Burt, and I went through a similar change in my thinking relative to term limits. When you have people who have been in office since grass was invented, it’s time to rethink the issue of term limits.

The power of the Civil Service
If you want to watch a very witty comedy, watch Minister, and Yes, Minister. This alleged dunce gets voted in and the civil servant thinks he can manipulate him, only to be outmanipulated every time. It's hilarious. Should be available from Netflix.

Options
1. I am all for term limits; but the "Professional" Politicians (including carpetbaggers) will not let that happen.

So here are a few possible options:

1) Any politician serving after age 65 should serve on a voluntary basis -- regardless of the office he/she is elected to.
2) Any politician who has served 20 years combined in all elected offices (from Alderman to President of USA) should serve voluntary beyond those 20 years (if elected).
3) Service beyond age 65 and/or 20 years of service should not count for benefits such as pensions, health care etc.
4) Congressional and Senatorial Pensions should immediately be cut in half --- I mean they are present in Washington half the time. The excuse of going back to districts or states is only for raising funds.
5) All Campaign funds received should be taxed at a flat rate of 20% every year there is a balance in the fund. So for example if a candidate has a million dollars in his/her campaign fund there would be a $200,000 tax on that.

Then watch all these rodents (most of them are) run for the exits.

Give them a "reverse foggie".
Instead of term limits, set up the pay scales for Congressmen and Senators so they take a pay cut every time they are re-elected. This would be the reverse of the usual "longevity pay increases" we called "foggies" (give the old foggie a raise) in the military. Of course since they approve their own pay raises, it ain't gonna happen.

Whatever happened to Lamar Alexander's catch phrase he used when he was running for the Republican nomination for President? His line regarding Congress and the Senate was "Cut their pay and send them home." Bet he doesn't feel that way now that he is one of "them".

Its sad
We, as a supposed educated citizenry, should not need term limits since we should be able to see how bad these bums are but apparently we can't. We elect the same morons over and over again. It should be impossible for anyone to make government "service" their career.

An Example
Being a conservative, I was more than thrilled in 1994 when control of the Legislative branch was won by the Republicans.

At first, things went well. The things that weren't accomplished right away could be done in the next years (I thought).

However, we all know what happened. The longer the Republicans were in D.C., the more difficult it was to distinguish them from the Democrats they had replaced.

I, too, was like you, Burt. I felt that term limits took away my right to elect whom I wanted.

However, I now see that incumbents are nearly impossible to defeat.

It is time for term limits.

tom_PA: "... even greater power to

those unseen folks in the wings called 'Staff.'"

Staffers should GO when the Congressman GOES!


Anne
Perfect point!!! When the senator or congressman goes EVERYONE goes

Thats why we love you Anne clear and concise thinking!!!!

Term limits...for god's sake!
Yes, the time has come for congressional term limits. A fixed number of consecutive terms...then they have to leave. After a term or two out of office, they should be allowed to run again if they want.

The key point in the article is that incumbency provides far, far too much of an advantage. Once they're in there, they're like the Pope...virtually in for life. The escapades of long serving pols like Rangel, Stevens, Dodd, and Frank proves the point. Power corrupts, and long-term power corrupts even more.

Term Limits and FAIRTAX

The top 2 items to reduce government growth and power ovr the people

it won't work
Term limits won't work for a host of reasons. The most obvious, as many have pointed out already, is that the corruptpoliticians who make the laws won't limit their own terms.

More importantly, if you attempt to limit the meddling in our lives by career corruptpoliticians, you simply transfer greater power to the career bureaucrats who actually run the day-to-day meddling of government. And I will guarantee you that these career bureaucrats, on the average, are at least as liberal-leftist as the corruptpoliticians.

If you cut the salaries of congressnerds and the like (some above suggested a cut to $1 per year), you guarantee that the only people who run for office will be independently wealthy (yes, that means Ted Kennedy clones), or are expecting to make it on graft. Such a government would be even more corrupt than the one we have now.

Finally, you have to understand that the majority of Americans don't want term limits. They say they might, but they keep electing the same corruptpoliticians year after year. The Commie-wealth of Massachusetts has been re-electing Ted Kennedy roughly since two years after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. If they wanted term limits, they would have sent us some other Commie long since.

Term limits
I agree competely, it is time for a real change not just lip service. The job was never intended to be a full time endeavor.

I cannot imagine voting for any bill and have not in the least read it. It is our money that Congree is spending, just how much is 12 Trillion dollars????

Good column
Good column Burt. You see "elected for life" on the local,county,and State level all the time. People just go about their daily lifes and don't make the effort to vote the bums out. Both major Parties are rotten to the core as a result. We can do better as a Country.

the heirarchy in Congre;ss...
makes it impossible for a newbie Senator or Congressman to get much done. Several terms are required to have much of an impact. Term limits would make ascendancy to leadership positions impossible.

As to what Congress critters are worth, just look at what 535 people have done to 300Million of us. Personally I think they ought to be personally repaying the money they have stolen from Social Security and wasted in the war on poverty.

Supreme Court Justices
Should be thrown out more too. Its ridiculous to have these senile old farts making decisions.

Good one, Burt
Indeed. Term limits would also prevent the power grabs. Not enough time to establish such ties, and all that.

Pay cuts would keep those elected more honest, too. i say this only because you've really got to want to serve the public.

In the same way that those serving in the military make squat, but do it because it is bigger than they are and they would die for us.
It is that simple and that IS the way the Founders intended this Country to be. By the people, for the people. Not every politician for himself and power.


Yes, yes, yes, yes.......
...to term limits. Yesterday would not be soon enough.

Term limits
I have been saying for nigh on 20 years now that congress & senate should have 2 term limit. That they should not e paid more than $1,000.00 more than what the average indivigual income is for the state from which they come. that when they leave office, no more pay.
While thy are in office they get basic medical & dental, we cobra them for 6mo. to a year after they leave. And they are allowed to invest in a 401-k
Ofcourse I also have been saying that their campane contributions should be $1,000.00 per person & $2,000.00 per company.
I would also limit the combined congress & senate to just one person from each who was or is a lawyer or ever been to law school..

Staring in our faces.

Excellent, Burt... 5 stars.

BUT - we already have the perfect mechanism for term limits... which our politicians, by the way, would have NO direct control over.

All it would take is for each and every citizen to pass this one simple truth on to their friends and neighbors every time a primary came up...

"VOTE FOR THE NEW GUY!!!"

Do you think perhaps that our politicians would get the message if, for example... a third or more of their incumbents were suddenly voted out of office...???

You bet your sweet potatoes they would... and big-time.

Tea parties, April 15th... and beyond.




Sgt Relic re: #17
You took the words right out of my mouth! Right on!

Teenagers
I just finished a "discussion" with my 15-year-old son in which I pointed out that he has a 59 in English because he didn't turn in a major assignment. He then started yelling about everything that is wrong with me, thereby avoiding a conversation about the actual problem.

I then read Burt's column in which he pointed out the problems with today's politicians after which I read liberal posts attacking him, thereby avoiding a conversation about the actual problem.

Liberal discourse = adolescent discourse

Steven
Great ideas. Here are two of mine. One, no running for another office while still serving; once you declare your candidacy, you immediately vacate your office and someone else is installed. Two, no project of any kind paid for with public tax funds may be named after any living elected official. I don't give a hoot if they "secured the funding", they didn't actually pay for it. Now we just have to get those crooks to vote for these ideas.

Agreement?
Do I detect liberals and conservatives generally agreeing on term limits?

Oh happy day!

Now if we can get everyone to the tea parties, and on board with the fair tax (or perhaps a flat tax) we may get the ball rolling and DO something for REAL CHANGE.

The flip side
I like the idea of term limits but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.

Not all politicians are charlatans, just most. When you have a good one that terms out you could get stuck with someone totally worse.

Like most things in life, term limits are a double edged sword.

Anne

"I submit that we not only go to "term limits," we also limit Congress' sessions to 3-4 mos. a year."


That really is the best solution of all. All legislatures, whether state or federal, become part time. It would take the wind out of a lot of sails, including the lobbyists.

I would also submit that all politicians be required to spend a certain amount of time in their districts. Ever notice they most often are not at home? Also have wondered why so little communication, not a letter, newsletter, Town hall, nothing.

Anne on a Mouse: Did your 15-year-old

son happen to watch Bawney Fwanks at Harvard?

Excellent example of diversion.


BTW folks...
It isn't incumbency that causes these people to hold on to their office. It is the parties.

would be great, but....
Ideally, it would be wonderful if our elected representatives on all levels could only serve one six year term and could not run for elective office again for another six years at least. But that would have to be approved by those who are now in elective office, and what are the chances of that haqppening?

I'm afraid we are going to have to go on with the same old same old because we have given those in power too much power.

n_FL #43: Thanks. :-)

Glad somebody does... These liberal trolls don't.

But, I guess that's a good... no, REALLY GOOD thing, isn't it? LOL




Hey Burt..nice article...
I agree with it as usual. What I really wanted to do though is complement you on the quality of your writing. As an old english major and writer wanta be, I admire your polished skills. I find that unlike many of the other writers I read your prose is seldom tedious or difficult to get through. It is a real talent to be entertaining regardless of your subject and one which has obviously allowed you to pursue your successful career. Keep up the good work. It is appreciated for it's light touch and easy humor.

taft
For once I agree with you about the scotus.I may be wrong,but I think thescotus once ruled term limits were unconstitutional.

Term Limits on Politicians, And.....
TERM LIMITS ON THEIR STAFFS IN WASHINGTON.

It does no good Burt to place term limits on politicians if you don't place term limits on their staffs. If we assume that Teddy Kennedy will resign after this term, I assume he will hand pick a replacement.

Teddy's staff will simply become the "new" staff of his replacement. It will be like Teddy is still in power. Therefore, I argue that we need term limits on staff personnel and term limits on all the bureaucrats who inhabit the entire DC "playground".

At least this way, we will not have "seasoned professional thugs" stealing our money. With term limits, we will only have inexperienced, petty thieves.

Taft
I think I actually agree with you concerning the supreme court justices! The problem with elected justices is that they are so busy worrying about public opinion and how it will influence thier re-election that they don't focus on the job at hand. I think one term with no re-election possible. Let them concentrate on what they were appointed or elected to do.

A modests proposal
Do away with elections, and draft office holders instead. The setup could be similar to the SSS. American citizens, and you have to prove valid citizenship, age 30 and older, are in the pool from which draftees are selected. There are additional physical and mental qualifications, just as for military service, and convicted felons are excluded, as are, for the first twenty years after the programme is implemented, lawyers. If you are drafted for an office, President, VP, Representative, Senator, etc., you have to serve. The terms for President, VP and Senators are four years, and for Representatives, two. Once you have served your term, you are no longer in the pool, will never have to serve in any Federal level office again, and in fact, will be ineligible to so do.
Think of the benefits. No campaigning, no campaign promises, no campaign speeches, and do you think that the results would give us officials any worse than what we have right now?
Alternative solution? Never re-elect anyone to any office, ever.

The devil you know
LOlo 1
to say that the devil you know is sometimes better than the one you don't is like saying one should vote for the lesser of two evils..
I'am sorry, but I just can't buy into this kind of thinking, It is in part why we have these corrupt life long political now holding office...
The two best reasons for having term limits is:
[1] familiarity breeds contempt..
[2] power corrupts...

As far as term limits being unconstitutional;
I am sure that if our forefathers had thought about it they would have put them in there. However I don't think they anticipated that Americans would loose sight of their civic duty & trust, there by allowing these crooks to ingrain themselves into the system..

term limits
Like the author, I've come to the conclusion that term limits are a necessity. Incumbents, especially long-time incumbents, have an unfair advantage over new challengers. Given the current condition of the main-steam media, term limits seem to be the only way to remove power-hungry office holders. Imagine a Senate without Edward Kennedy or Robert Byrd or a House without Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, Charles Rangel, or Barney Frank. Perhaps our nation might not be in its current state if individuals like these had been limited in the number of terms they could seek.

Awesome
where do I sign up? Show all these Castro Loving America haters Comunist that they have masters and they are the People! All these people over 60 whose affiliations are rooted in their own self interest who dont pay taxes or social security should leave and hopefully the door will hit them on their backside on the way out. Dinosaurs like Kennedy, reid Pelosi dodd and others like frooty Franks should go, and go now!

Poor Duke
Calling OBAMA, Hillery and Jimmy brilliant doesn't fool anyone.

OBAMA does not intend to fix anything. It will be a disaster for his worthless agenda when the economy turns around.

Politicians that meddle where they do not belong are like circus clowns making messes around the world for better people to clean up.

The problem isn't with term limits. Anyone with bad ideas can screw up the country in a short amount of time. Look at OBAMA and Fools blathering like insane college professors about how capitalism doesn't work. He thinks we are stupid.

It was the Black Caucus
that paid Castro a visit. Singing his praises.
How many black politicians in our capital were raised on Black Liberation Theology/Marxism. How much trouble are we going to let this group cause before we have the courage to just say "NO".

Steven
I never ever said nor implied that term limits were unconstitutional. As far as I know they aren't.

As to my thinking, but sorry I pay attention to individual candidates, and I am not going to punish those that actually do some good because of those that don't. That is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The issue of those staying in office long past their time is a party issue. Party politics are quite different than politics in general, and often ignored. It is the party that keeps them in by continually backing these people with money and publicity. It is the party that makes or breaks the candidate.

Screaming about term limits is far too simplistic when you have no idea of how the political game is played. They are playing chess, you are playing checkers. It is the political parties that keep them office by limiting the choices to the electorate.

or not
If not term limits, then we should insist on equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans, that way they would have to compromise to get anything passed.

Wonderful column
and intriguing comments:
J-10 @ 1:24 a.m. laugh of the day!

Sgt.Relic 7:32 and others - Staff change jobs.
R.D.Sefert 8:05 $1 a year -- REAL public SERVICE.
Richard: States pay Congress' salaries, and it's merit pay ... this present bunch would be in dire financial straits by now.

Voteright 9:01 Tax their leftover campaign funds. We have a congressman who seldom even has an opponent, yet he holds fundraisers year-around and has a perpetual "warchest" of $$$$$.

Nickel the English major: complEment? and IT'S light touch?

As reasonable as the idea of term limits is, the preponderance of incembents will rule it out. The staffs do play musical chairs each election; but since most are lawyers and journalism majors (out to Change the World), the laws they write are left-er and left-er.

Five Star Column!



Term Limits
The Republicans won in 2000 in part by espousing term limits UNTIL they got in power. At this point the effective Democratic attack machine would diminish any Republican position here. Certainly those old fogey Congress people wouldn't go for it. It is the best way, we have it for the president because of FDR's abuses and we certainly need it again. But we need to win the Second Civil War against Democrats first. And we are losing. Badly.

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Term Limits are the only solution
While not a perfect solution because it keeps the "good" public servants from serving longer, it is worth the sacrifice to get some real Statesmen/woman who really care about this country rather than buying votes for the next election with the taxpayers money.
Burt is right, the politicians who retain power fell they know better than the voters and when they keep on electing the same corrupt officials I sometimes wonder.
Term Limits should limit times for service in the Federal government COMPLETELY so as not to play musical chairs. The politicians will then try to elect "strawman/women" in their place to pull the strings...but those very strawmen might just have another idea of that matter.
Save America...Have Governmental TERM LIMITS!

Joycey
I like the Changing of America. If anything or anybody tries to interfere, I will have your children and grandchildren eating "Stale Bread" for dinner. I will teach the Chinese what they need to know. Have you ever lived in a 3rd world country? Don't let your mouth write a check that "Your As" can't cash???

Term limits "Plus"
Great article, it's always nice when someone has an opinion changing moment of reality. One of the other things I believe ethat should occur is that qualifications for public office be that of at least 5 years in a non-public workforce. Any employer that gets public funding is not considered a private employer. I believe that if people are going to be elected to positions of law making they have some prior experience in "felling" how those laws will effect the public before they make them. End the gov't paid insurance program so that each of the eleted officials can experience the health care system, remove the gov't supplied health care and let them experience the "system". Stop this lifetime reitrement of gov't officials - make them have to plan like the rest of us for our future. It's EASY to make laws that you will never have to experience or deal with yourself.
Great article however, we should maybe do to Congress what your Vet did for DUKE.

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My readings suggest that our Founders were not supportive of term limits. Of course, at that time they could never have foreseen the infestation of career politicians. It's a subject which should be carefully studied and discussed, for sure. My personal opinion is that reasonable term limits is way past due. It may require an amendment though.

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What a wild and wooly bunch of posts. I think we need term limits at the local bakery and the Home Depot, and the butcher shop. Wouldn’t you love to have to deal with some kid on his first day at work?

The problem with no term limits is that the old people there, such as former KKK members, have made the rules as difficult as possible, so it takes years to learn how to do it.

What this means, without term limits for staff and Lobbyists, is that non-elected people will have more power than the elected. Who do you think reads and writes the 500 page documents now?

The law permits a one citizen vote for for one candidate. but it permits unlimited donations to other candidates, and that money is supposed to gain votes, the same as you voting many times.

Let’s permit donations from registered voters for that one candidate only. That would again reduce the power and the purpose of a lobbyist to a person whose job had always been that of the provider of information.

Think of the thousands of subjects that must be considered by the members of National government each and every years, and let me know which one of them has the power and knowledge to deal with each and every problem.

Not possible, that’s why a lobbyist was original created, and if we allow donations only from a registered voter, that would remove the power of staff in Wash DC.

What do you want to bet a proper answer to this post would be at least 500 pages long.


A Constitution Amendment

erudite rube Location: GA
Reply # 24
Date: Apr 10, 2009 - 8:12 AM EST
Term Limits
call a constitutional convention which can be done by the state legislatures. HOWEVER, once the convention is called there will be no limits as to what can be discussed and/ or enacted.

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The other thing that would come in handy is for the people who are making all the comments, to read the constitution, and have some idea what it says.

If 2/3s of the State governments voted for a Constitutional Amendment, that would prove no more than what can be accomplished by the most junior congressman in the hall.

A Constitution Amendment, a vote by 2/3 of the states, solves nothing. Read it again.

No term limits, PLEASE!
Burt mentioned CA. Anybody really like what the legislature has done to CA? Term limits are a simplistic approach to getting the other guy's representative out of office. VERY simplistic. And naive. Without term limits members of Congress have to make at least a passing attempt at paying attention to their constituents. Imagine Kennedy, Byrd, Frank, Pelosi, etc., NOT having to bother to visit the great unwashed. Think they have the ability to get a real private sector job? During their last term in office (and they'll KNOW it's their last term) they'll find another "constituent" to pander to other than the voter. They'll set themselves up with some cush position to land in when they're out using YOUR tax money. And it will be rampant and uncontrollable. Think the characters in DC are bad enough now just impose term limits and look for CA to be replicated at the federal level on a MASSIVE scale.

Mr. Prelutsky
You dare call yourself principled? You just argued that because some have managed to gain "far too great an advantage" (?) over their opponents, you should be allowed to go in arbitrarily and prevent the result. You are arguing in essence that Americans are idiots, and you know better than they do what is best.

The fact is that a good politician SHOULD re-run, win, and remain in office.

What the whole term limit movement amounts to is a whine from sore losers. There is no such thing as "far too great an advantage" in elections. It is up to each candidate to use his/her resources wisely and broadcast their message effectively to win the popular vote. Joseph Cao did it. Why can't everyone else?

I find your stand to be deeply unprincipled, and unlike you, I am NOT willing to allow the next Reagan--it only takes one--to be removed from office and therefore future leadership of our country just because you can't stand the thought that Specter, Snowe, and Collins are still in office.

Those who are to lead our country need political experience. You would ensure that we are permanently lead by the inexperienced.

The whole term limit movement, by the way, is a Communist front movement. It never works against Democrats. It was only ever designed to work against Republicans, because Republicans believe in adhering to principles. And they just gave you a bad one.

Term limits
Lolo 1;
oops, sorry that remark about limits being unconstitutional was a reply to { jax 33 }.
I also agree that there are some [ albert way to few ] who do good, but after two terms, let someone else try, to long in power no matter how best the intentions, will after time breed the idea that only you are best qualified to do the job..
Right now, we as a country has had no proper representation in washington for a very long time. why? because both the senate & congress have the fallowing:
they make on the average 2.5 times more than the individual income of people from the states they are from.
They have either a senate or congressional expense account.
They have either a senate or congressional banking system.
They have guaranteed life long pay, with cost of living increase'es & raises. When they die their spouse then gets their pay chk till they die.
They and their family get life long health & dental care..
All of this is paid for by us the tax payer..
DO any of you get anything like this in your jobs????

Killer
We're already nearly a third world Country, with a puppet Tyrant trained by Socialists like Soros & Chicago thugs.

These facts are out there.......get them!

Another reason for Term Limits
Collective Poverty
What do the ten US cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

1. Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.

2. Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.

3. Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.

4. Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.

5. Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.

6. St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.

7. El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.

8. Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.

9. Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.

10. Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

It is the disadvantaged, who habitually elect for Democrats, yet they remain disadvantaged.

"Poor People have been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years, and they are still poor."

So sayeth Sir Charles Barkley. And, he is right. Of course, he left out #11... New Orleans.

Steven
I see where you are coming from but I question why we would punish someone that does do a good job only to put some newbie in office that may not do nearly as a good a job.

Quite frankly in the Contract with America, and those that implemented it, most kept their term limits promise. Problem is I wish they wouldn't have. They had sanity and those that succeeded them is what brought the ruin of the GOP.

If you want to get the get rich entrenched politicians out it doesn't begin at the ballot box it begins at the party level. I don't believe in punishing the good because of the bad. If you want the con artists out you go after them at the party level. Without party support they don't stand a chance.

Screaming about term limits sounds well and good, but you cannot have good without bad. We best look at the bad thoroughly and weigh what it means and the options.

jimmyjames

"or not
If not term limits, then we should insist on equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans, that way they would have to compromise to get anything passed."

Compromise for the sake of compromise is not a virtue. Some things should never be compromised on.

Nobody should
be in Congrass for more than a maximum of six years, with terms limited to three months per year, either elected or non-elected, since they don't have any new ideas after that long, with compensation totalling no more than two times the average income of all Americans, instead of ten times. NO LAWYERS ALLOWED!!!

Mrs Paddy #18: We have had a few that would vote for term limits. For example, J. C. Watts placed term limits on himself while in the House and obeyed them. He should have been the GOP candidate in 2008.

n #40 & ScottK #54: four words: sixty million Obama voters.

Voteright
Term limits will not make one whit of difference in ideology. You can have all the limits you want but people will still vote ideology. That is why candidates endorse other candidates.

I have to laugh
because I would bet that 90% of the people wanting term limits in reality really only mean for the 'other' guy of party.

It is just like earmarks. They don't like other people's earmarks but they sure like their own.

term limits
Lolo1;
Ok I see where you are comming from, but please re-read my last post on what they are getting right now. then excplain to me where there is any incentive for anyone of them to do the right thing everytime???
One must not only do what is right for the people of their state but first and formost what is right for the country as a whole..
If we as a country were to say limit their pay and perks to just the basic min. then I might be inclined to not haveing term limits.
At this time I do feel stongly that we must limit thier power some how, some way..
I for one have not trusted our government for some time now and what I see happening in washington now of late, I am starting to fear my government....That my friend is not a good thing...

Redistricting
Over the years, the politicians who draw the election district lines have gotten better and better. After the 2000 census, the political elite in California decided to draw lines to "protect" the maximum number of incumbents, regardless of party (the Dems having controlled the state legislature for 30 or 40 years). This policy also affected the Congressional districts.

The result is that the candidates selected in primary elections tend to be either the most left-leaning or the most right-leaning of their respective parties, since an 'energized' base is the key to success. The outcome in the general election is preordained since it is unlikely that an opposing candidate can win in this majority of "safe" districts.

Without competitive voting districts, there is no need for candidates to compromise on positions less appealing to opponents. There is no need to satisfy more than a fraction of those in the middle -- the so-called independents who seem to have no philosophy nor (it seems) a clue about what's going on.

In the end, it's the ordinary citizens who are screwed by the political elite -- who take our money by force (called taxes) and spend it on their pet projects without regard to the value received.

Really Scary
Consider those horror movies where the eerie background music alone sends chills up and down your spine and then the raspy and haunting voice asks you, “Do you want to see something really scary?”

Here is the list of the current presidential line of succession in the event that the President is unable to fulfill his duties:

1 Vice President and President of the Senate: Joe Biden

2 Speaker of the House of Representatives: Nancy Pelosi

3 President pro tempore of the Senate: Robert Byrd

4 Secretary of State: Hillary Rodham Clinton

5 Secretary of the Treasury: Timothy Geithner

6 Secretary of Defense: Robert Gates

7 Attorney General: Eric Holder

8 Secretary of the Interior: Ken Salazar

9 Secretary of Agriculture: Tom Vilsack

10 Secretary of Commerce: Gary Locke

11 Secretary of Labor: Hilda Solis

XX Secretary of Health and Human Services: Kathleen Sebelius (confirmation pending)

12 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Shaun Donovan

13 Secretary of Transportation: Ray LaHood

14 Secretary of Energy: Steven Chu

15 Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan

16 Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Eric Shinseki

17 Secretary of Homeland Security: Janet Napolitano

Obama "Total Transparency" will fix it.

Scary indeed!
Thanks, Chainsaw. Now I REALLY won't be able to sleep at night....

Steven
I agree that they are way overpaid. Personally I think their retirement is obscene.

However if we require a vow of poverty of our candidates just exactly who do you think would hold office.

Yes we need to rein in their pay but term limits will have no effect on that either.

Combined Pensions and Moritoriums
Those who work as elected officials in the government of this country have it way to good and get to control the laws as well as their taxpayer pay checks, which they are most generous with.

Let's start with term limits that have a two year moritorium between offices. Let's have yearly public audits for those holding elected office and let's have a national sales tax in order to have a say in the size of the tax and how it's spent budget.

If you and I retire from years of work with one company and recieve one pension, then why should a government electee get more than one pension, is it not one government in one state? If they hold a fed position then why are they not subject to SS, most of us are? Should their pension be any better than yours, did they work any harder or smarter? Now this my friends is the true meaning of applied socialism.

Chainsaw
You just ruined my day....plus you turned my hair white.

ONTIME
Now you are talking!

So do you think Jerry "moonbeam" Brown will be able to beat out Alan Cranston for the most retirement?

Fritz & Lolo1
Sorry for scaring you. Sometimes I think it would be easier to bury my head in the sand like those who voted in the current administration and have someone cover me with a "hope & change" snuggee blankee.

Trouble is, wake up calls do come.

Right now we can't even get the upper hand with a band of rag-tag pirates. I fully expect that word came down from the top not to engage. They should have sunk that craft with controlled damage so that all could then be rescued. I seriously doubt they would have killed the captain knowing who was bearing down on them at full speed. We have lost our window of opportunity. Now, we have entered again the humiliating days of Jimmy Carter when Americans can be held hostage without fear of repercussions. It is working great for them this time—and we now know what the future holds. Americans are fair game.

There was a little dark humor in my first post, but in truth I am angry, exceptionally angry. My father, my uncles, my cousins, and I did not defend this nation to have a President who bows to a Saudi king, apologizes to foreigners to earn their approval, doing so on the blood-soaked ground left by better Americans than him who went before him to nobly rescue others.

Obama should have taken a tour of the many graveyards in Europe filled with the bodies of real Americans who appreciated freedom and knew its high cost.

I am off the boards now for the rest of the day.

Civilian Reps
YES on term limits.
We need to draft Reps like getting drafted in the military. These CReps would not display a D or an R after their name, but rather a C. Their term would be limited to the current "term", one half every other year and they could get re-elected for a subsequent term with a 50% vote, a 3rd term with a 66% margin and a final 4th term with a 75% margin. Pay during their term would be like a military Captain, then a Major, then a Colonel and then a General.
A good start would be to have a RIF of our current Reps. Companies have RIFs all the time to correct their financial situation so why not the government. We could reduce by lottery to 1/2 the current number and immediately save their salary, perks and earmarks.
Doc

Term limits YES
And as long as we are dealing in fantasy why not have a balanced budget, constitutional government, do away with the IRS, cancel the national debt and rescind all Federal law older than 1 year.

You can really have fun when you deal in fantasy.

Now in the real world. You get the government that you deserve. And frankly, the "leadership" in DC looks a lot like the leadership here at home. We all are greedy, demanding, self-interested and don't give a d*mn about the other guy unless we will be affected as well. That is why we have the government that we currently have. Enjoy it! You asked for it.

Chainsaw
Thanks a lot! That is truly scarier than anything Wes Craven could come up with!

YES WE CAN
AS OBAMA SAYS YES WE CAN

Listen Up: Part I
First, to the Townhall censors and technical staff who think they can silence me with arbitrary and capricious rules limited me to 2000 characters. Fools! I will not be silenced.

Now, on to the subject matter.

Term limits have an appeal, but such a plan will result in appointed, unelected and faceless bureaucrats taking more control of the government.

Ohio enacted term limits some time ago. After a fixed number of years, state senators and represenatives cannot seek reelection.

State agency two-year budgetary requests go before our general assembly, our legistlature, for approval. Much of the requested funding is for projects that span many years and often longer than permitted terms of the legislators.

These projects promise big returns at a calculated cost. So when projects don't achieve their results, the committe chairman that approved it is gone. His replacement is confronted with another request for money for the same project, or an enhancement to that project, and is unaware that it has failed, or not measured up, or is otherwise unworthy of additional funding.

Most of Ohio's work force is civil service protected, including most high ranking officers. These individuals exploit term limits by making funding requests that would have been turned down by knowledgeable committe chairmen before our term limits.

Consequently, ill-conceived programs are kept alive because of term limits where they would have been killed before.


Listen Up: Part II
There is no substitute in participatory democracy, or a republic, to an educated and informed electorate. It does not matter what scheme we impose in AMerica. We have to accept the sad fact that most Americans are intellectually substandard. A high percentage is illiterate and brain damaged from incestuous breeding, drugs, and a dysfunctional "education" system that is merely a government daycare center.

Productive Americans need to stop wasting their time debating various ways to find marginal benefits from our misleades. They respond to the mob. There is nothing that will make them change.

Instead, intelligent and right thinking Americans must come together and devise ways to opt out of our kleptocracy, shield their lives, their wealth, and their estates from these elected theives and their parasitic constituencies and allow our failed system to collapse.

We should also be ready to defend ourselves, our families, and our property from the millions of welfare recipients when their checks stop coming. By this I mean we must be prepared to kill them in large numbers when the come for us. This will actually be a fun thing, a reward for all our hard work.

Term Limits
As always you are absolutely right on. I have never hated government to this extent in all my years. Vote them all out--hip hip for term limits.

Yeah Chainsaw: thanks ... a lot!

This was one time that just a little bit of "denial" was a good thing. :-)

We're all suffering information over-load here, and the information isn't good, and then YOU make us LOOK AT THAT LIST! Sheesh!


But, here's another term limits idea!

Let's limit Obozo's term to... oh... say.. 4mos.


Since nothing Obozo or Congress has done is Constitutional, I think someone should just go to the White House and tell the Obozo he's FIRED!



Chainsaw, I nominate you to tell him! :-)





JD's Handsome Son... "A fun thing"

You're spending too much time in Cleveland!

It'll get to you.




Wipe the Grin Off Big Brother's Face
I made it back and see that I touched a couple of more nerves with Russ and Anne.

Clearly, we don't need a little card shuffling, we essentially need a new deck--one that doesn't fall off the left side of the table on one hand, or passively pretend to be on the right side of the table on the other.

Think teeter-totter (for those old enough to remember when this dangerous playground device wasn’t condemned by the safety police of the nanny state). I fear that so much weight is now on one side with voters siding with whoever promises them the most and with government employees feverously cementing in their positions, that there are not enough of us remaining to press down on the other side to get us leveled out again…or even better fully grounded in the principles of freedom.

Freedom is not won or maintained easily, but it is lost easily. We are not only losing it; we are throwing it away. One example of many: In a matter of one or two years when hyperinflation kicks in and all wealth is lost or compromised, then Obama’s dream of a level playing field and redistribution (for non-government personnel) will be accomplished. Trouble is, we’ll be looking out on a desolate and bleak landscape that is every bit as dreadful as that described in George Orwell’s “1984”. The streets will be paved with dollars—because they won’t be worth picking up.

I hope that the upcoming tea parties and tea letters are the start of reclaiming America. At 61 years of age, this is the most concerned that I have ever been for my country, and I grew up trying to guess how much of the United States (or the world) would be left if we entered a nuclear war with Russia. Complete annihilation for the majority was thought to be a real possibility. Yet we persevered. This battle now is more insidious, for there is no identifiable enemy—just a grinning Big Brother who is very, very selfish.

Lolo1@1:44 pm
"Term limits will not make one whit of difference in ideology. You can have all the limits you want but people will still vote ideology. That is why candidates endorse other candidates."

You make a good point here. But, term limits would discourage civil servants (if done correctly) from becoming professional politicians. If all politicians had to have real jobs, had to balance budgets, and knew all the perks were only temporary maybe, just maybe, they would have a clue about the concerns of everyday people like us.

The problem is term limits will never happen because Congress will never vote to oust themselves. They are deeply entrenched and very happy where they are.

If You
Are going to do term limits right, you also have to limit politicians to one crack at state and local levels and one crack at the Federal level, otherwise politicians can build a career moving from one to the other.

Re Sen Byrd's Seniority
It would be nice if "Sir Bobby" would quit inasmuch as the State of WV has run out of Roads, Schools, Parks, Trees (no STRIKE THAT ) I've never seen a TREE named for him..Seriously, in the event he did Die/Retire or just go away, these Dems (I sometimes think I'm the only Repub in the County) would just find a way to CLONE Jay Rockefeller so I don't think that's Improvement..Actually, we have a Dem Gov here who could be a viable contender..

Power Mongers Know No Limits
Mr. Prelutsky, great article. Great comments throughout, but I would add, if we go back to our founding fathers, they couldn't wait to get out of Philly or DC, unlike these guys who can't wait to get back to DC. We are in a sad state of affairs because they (congress) will never relinquish to this proposal because then they would have to be like the rest of us and have to compete on a regular basis. This topic needs to gain more traction. We need to spread the word and get out the movement.

Chainsaw La
You did not scare me with your list. I scared myself a while ago with my own list...,and I STOPPED at Hillary.

So you see...,when I saw your extended list I hardly batted an eye.

Nickel 10:55
Well said and dittos

Lolo 11:50 Good point and I agree, I don't see any traction for term limits. These political
toads are too slimey not to get a way around it.
The party's are the ones driving this political mob rule..look what they foisted on us last year, which insured the Repubs would lose. Someone who didn't have any fight in him for whatever reason and held back the one person who could have brought in the win. The
change has to be at the grassroots of these parties and you can forget about the DemonRAT
mob..they ensure the fix is in regardless.
Who knows, the level of anger towards the political class and the bureacracy could very well work to restore our REpublic. They are pushing the envelope, these corrupt antiAmerican
thugs running this country; pretty soon it will boil over into rage. Each time they push something down our throats, the anger rises and the number of people from all political beliefs
(except Commie traitors) grows. The fact they are organizing thug patrols to disrupt the
TEA PARTIES tells me, they are running scared.
If something doesn't alarm you, you don't react.

Same thing with the eligibility, why are they going to such lengths to impeded, destroy and
threaten the efforts and the people involved unless there is something hidden that will destroy the agenda and the Democrat Party?

Power Mongers Know No Limits
Mr. Prelutsky, I pray that your California rules will flow to the National Scene and that Pelosi, Waxman, Barber, Feinstein and others from your state will soon be history! Our country can't stand for much more of their liberal nonsense!! Pelosi in particular has to be the most phony witch (we could replace the 'w' with another letter) in our country, and that's really saying something with Hillary around!!

Term Limits for All!
"Term Limits should limit times for service in the Federal government COMPLETELY so as not to play musical chairs."

Agreed. If we don't limit the "service" of the bureaucrats, the whole thing won't work. I say ten years, maximum, for *anyone* in public "service" (sorry for the continued quotes around that word, but most people in these positions are only serving themselves, their egos, and their job security). After that, you have to return to the productive class.

(It would also be ideal if the federal government were not allowed to be an entry-level job; one would have to spend at least a decade in the productive class--so that they'd actually know how to do something--before their time in government could begin.)

Term Limits
I agree with you on term limits. Also, like you, I didn't thing we needed them when they were talked about a few years ago. I think two terms and that is it and that to me is a gift! Maybe then they would realize that they need to represent us and not their own agenda.

With Obama and the Dems in Power.....
With Obama and the Dems in power, they may decide to figure out a way to do away with any term limits altogether. How about 4 terms with Obama in the White House? Just think about all the wonderful things he could do for his country.
As a matter of fact, with the assistance of his ACORN brown shirt brigade, how about doing away with elections altogether? The liberal news media certainly wouldn't care.
Finally, I've always wondered what sort of a person (fool) could get up election day and march to the polls and enthusiastically vote for a Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer,etc.
The calibre of the politicians running this country is nauseating.

Limits on the electorate
I just hate to infringe on the right of the citizenry to not allow them to elect the person they want to represent them. But with the inordinate amount of fools that are elected each time, I wonder if there shouldn't be a test that a person needs to take in order to be allowed to vote. I know that isn't constitutional, but maybe it should be. You have to be a minimum age to vote, what is so wrong about having to be at least smarter than a box of rocks. After looking at the Congress of the last few years, I have to believe that the voters were made up of mostly people with rocks in their head.

For Term Limits = Not In Power
Which ever side is in power, the other side always brings up term limits. This article is completely unoriginal and the author doesn't even follow through with his intention in writing it. Though, I must say, it's actually symptomatic of today's Townhall-type Cons. Instead of putting forth ideas, the best today's Townhall conservatives can do is try and think of the gnarliest ways to say how ruinous Democrats are and what a socialist President Obama is. Get some thoughts, for goodness sake, and rebuild your party with ideas instead of childish insults and name calling. Your party is in a disastrous state and you have zero leaders worth getting behind. The best you've got is Haley Barbour, a good and decent man, but he's been around forever. Good luck, you'll need it.

Term Limits For Voting
I think you should have to take a test every four years to see if you have enough sense to vote on the issues . Then if you are capable of voting with common and issue sense then you could be allowed to vote . Congress would have
a very diff. face often enough.

Right on!
What's broken in Washington is the career politicians. That's the source of everything that needs to be changed.

Two terms for Senators, three for Representatives.

After that, they're out.

It's the only way they will put what's best for the country ahead of their own "career".

Term Limits
Right On. Now how do we make it happen?

Ed: That's the BIG question!!!
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Jesus is Risen - He is Alive

Hallelujah, "He is risen!"
Jesus is gone up on high!
Burst the bars of death asunder;
Angels shout, and men reply:
He is risen, He is risen,
Living now, no more to die.

Hallelujah He is risen!
Our exalted Head to be;
Sends the witness of the Spirit
That our Advocate is He:
He is risen, He is risen,
Justified in Him are we.

Hallelujah, He is risen!
Death for all has lost his sting;
Christ, Himself the Resurrection,
From the grave "His own" will bring:
He is risen, He is risen,
Living Lord and coming King.

oh Death Where Is Thy Sting,
grave, Where's Thy Victory,
in Three Days, The Stone Rolled Away.
stone Rolled Away,
an Empty Grave Proves What I Say,
he Lives Today.


Huh!?
This is just amazing! If you're not smart enough to know who to vote IN to office...what makes you think you are smart enough to know who is not doing a good job? Besides...there is a mechanism in place for incompetent representatives...it's called 'recall'... Don't punish communities with great representation cuz YOU don't know how to choose the right person for the job...

Either burt is being silly...
Or he really IS just that ignorant and naive...

term limits
Richard from OK has got it. States should pay the salaries of their elected Senators and Representatives. This should include health benefits and if desired, pension benefits. Of course, their salaries would be subject to social security, Federal and State tax withholding. There would be no need for the golden health care plans and huge pension benefits these "career politicians" now enjoy.

the coming difficulties ..

Those who inhabit Washington D.C. will not voluntarily give up their perks, their power, access to our money, their arrogance. The road to re-establishing a proper political balance in the USA goes through the States.

The only remaining peaceful mechanism is a Constitutional Convention, called by the States. It is patently obvious that there are ample grounds for the States' to assert their primacy under Amendment X of the Constitution. Here is a simple agenda for such a Constitutional Convention:

* repeal Amendments XVI - eliminate income taxes and prevent the imposition of any tax that does not equally burden all citizens.
* repeal Amendment XVII - senators should represent the interests of the States, so that the Senate once again can act as the forum where States inhibit the excesses of the House of Representatives and the Executive.
* impose term limits upon all members of Congress. {I would go further and impose lifetime tenure limits upon all non-military forms of government service, but that is an argument for another day.}

This limited agenda would go a considerable distance toward putting the Federal Government back in its proper place, and re-establish the States as the guardians of the Constitution, as they were intended to be.

For those who fear a Constitutional Convention, I suggest the following. There has only been one such event, so to argue that there are precedents preventing a constraint upon the agenda is tenuous at best. If there is no common ground to support a return to a constitutional republic, what harm is there in using such a failed Constitutional Convention as the basis for an amicable divorce, compared to the disaster of an accelerated decline into tyranny?

re: WbHeff - A Modest Proposal

I have a lot of sympathy for your suggestion. William F. Buckley famously said he would prefer to be governed by the first 2000 people named in the Cambridge telephone book than by the Harvard faculty. Robert A. Heinlein once wrote a short story based upon a similar premise, where leadership was selected at random, although in that story all the lawyers had been killed off.

The other thing that would greatly facilitate returning governance to its proper place would be to turn Washington D.C. into a vast museum, and set up the seat of government somewhere in the rural heartland, housed in very uncomfortable surplus Quonset huts.

Naturally, if government has no economic perks to dole out, it suddenly becomes far less attractive as a path to power for the megalomaniacs who will always be amongst us. This human defect will never be stamped out, but we can at least take measures to discourage its elevation to positions of influence.
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