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Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Ben Shapiro :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Jewish Case Against Barack Obama
by Ben Shapiro
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Barack Obama is the most dangerous candidate for the State of Israel since its creation in 1948. He is not, as Professor Alan Dershowitz recently put it, a "true friend of Israel" any more than Jimmy Carter was. He is certainly not "much better for Israel" than John McCain, as potty-mouthed comic dunce Sarah Silverman put it.

Any American Jew who votes for Obama ought to be ashamed of him or herself. He is not in line with a single authentic Jewish principle. (Authentic Judaism, by the way, believes the veracity of the Torah, Oral Torah and Talmud, not bagels, lox, Woody Allen and a copy of the Sunday New York Times.) On abortion, Obama is radically pro-choice. He is radically pro-gay rights, celebrating court-ordered gay marriage in states like California. Authentic Judaism is against abortion unless the mother's life is in danger, and against homosexual activity altogether.

And then there's Israel. Professor Dershowitz believes that American Jews should not vote based on "which party or which candidates support Israel more enthusiastically. They should vote based on more general considerations about what is best for America, the world and the values that they hold dear." I largely agree. I believe, however, that any candidate who does not support Israel demonstrates a disturbing lack of allegiance to our only democratic ally in the Middle East and a perverse moral relativism that will hurt America, not merely Israel.

I do feel, however, that American Jews have a special stake in the State of Israel. Israel does not just represent a family connection for Jews. It represents the ultimate protection for Jews the world over. When Arab nations expelled over 800,000 Jews in the aftermath of the birth of the State of Israel, Israel took the vast majority of them in -- as opposed to the Arab nations, which keep Palestinian Arabs in refugee camps to this day. Israel has saved Jews from South America to Russia to Ethiopia. Israel remains the last refuge for all Jews, and a guarantor of their safety, even abroad.

The future of Israel, then, matters to all Jews. By all indicators, it does not matter to Barack Obama, as detailed in a YouTube video counterpart to this column, "The Jewish Case Against Barack Obama".

Obama's foreign policy advisors have been almost uniformly anti-Israel. Samantha Power, one of Obama's earliest supporters, has suggested that American troops be placed on the ground in Israel to protect Palestinian Arabs against "human rights abuses." Power was a senior foreign policy advisor to Obama until she was forced to resign after calling Senator Hillary Clinton "a monster" in March 2008.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, serves as a foreign policy advisor to Obama. He believes that the Jewish lobby forces America into pro-Israel policy, and he defends Carter's anti-Semitic book, "Peace, Not Apartheid."

General Merrill McPeak, Obama's campaign co-chair, agrees with Brzezinski that the Jewish lobby, based in "New York City, Miami," controls America's Middle East policy.

Robert Malley, who served on President Clinton's National Security Council, has stated that America ought to simply impose its Middle East solution on Israel. He served as an advisor to Obama until the media discovered that he was holding regular meetings with Hamas.

Obama's friends, too, are far too anti-Israel for comfort. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor of 20 years, has blamed America's pro-Israel policy for 9/11. Wright is close with notorious anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, who has proclaimed Obama "the Messiah."

Obama is also friends with former Palestine Liberation Organization spokesman Rashid Khalidi, an ardent foe of the Jewish State. Khalidi held a fundraiser for Obama in 2000. In 2003, he told a Palestinian Arab crowd, "You will not have a better Senator under any circumstances."

Obama himself has demonstrated his ambivalence about Israel. Before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in July 2008, he stated that he supported an undivided Jerusalem. After pressure from Palestinians, he backtracked within 24 hours. He also declares that he will meet the leaders of Iran without preconditions, despite the fact that Iran wishes to turn Israel into radioactive wasteland.

Barack Obama is no friend to American Jews. I challenge Professor Dershowitz to a debate, any time, any place, on that question. I would challenge Sarah Silverman as well, but she will undoubtedly ignore the challenge.

Most of all, I challenge American Jews to hear the true facts about Obama before voting. In Barack Obama, they find a Democrat in the mold of Jimmy Carter, not Harry Truman. Jews -- and Americans more broadly -- cannot afford another Jimmy Carter.

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McCain, Like Bush More of the same!
Another nut job here. Bush went brashly into Iraq on a lie, while the terrorists who were the brains behind 9/11 were in Afghanistan. The Iraq war is not only costing the American taxpayer billions, the overstretched members of our armed forces suffer death, bankruptcy, divorce and fractured families, physical, mental and emotional anguish that Mr. Bush had not looked out for. That is sick! McCain is also brash and unthinking. Look how is campaign is sinking and how the crazies are coming out of their bunkers to join him and Palin. We do not more the same.

Agree Thoroughly with Shapiro
Since Jesse Jackson's comments, Obama has not seen fit to repudiate the substance of Jackson's comments. And, yes, I picked up on Obama's changed stance on Jerusalem at two speeches recently.

First and foremost, Israel is America's #1 ally. Only in the Judeo-Christian culture can true democracy live. In Israel and in America, there are no barriers to success. In India, there is a caste system.

I, too, believe that the only party platform God could endorse in this election would be the Republican Party.

I do not understand why the ADL leans to the Democrat Party. Can someone explain that to me?

McCain and Palin in 2008!

Another Thought on Widespread Obamaism
Is it troubling to anyone else that throughout Obama campaign offices, Obama campaign websites (and surrogate sites), television, etc. we see all these enlarged portraits of Obama, now a video game, now prime time TV infomercials, and the ongoing oppression of dissent? Does this not remind anyone else of Saddam Hussein, Stalin and Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, and other totalitarian regimes? Is this not a clue as to what is to come?

The majority of the Jews in ....
this country support the whole platform of the demoncratic party, of which by the way supports abortion,in all it's ugliness. Yes, abortion is "the modern day holocaust". And I'm not anti-semitic.
My three best friends happen to be authentic Jews. They are Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

Matter of life and death
"Most dangerous candidate for the State of Israel" is telling it like it is, baby. America sometimes sends out the cavalry to rescue people in distress, the Kuwaitis and the Kosovans, and sometimes not, the Cambodians and the Tutsis. Iran with its nukes is an existential threat and when Israel launches its attack we know that McCain will not block the air space, hold back intelligence, delay resupply, and jerk Israel around in the UN, all matters of potential life and death. No one can guess what Obama will do because no one knows enough about the man, he's hidden too much about his life and worse, not explained fully his associations with unsavory characters throughout his career. The Cambodian and Tutsi tragedies made for good movies, but Israel will pass on that questionable honor, thank you. That's why the support for McCain in Israel runs to 75 per cent.

http://www.root-1.co.il/critical.htm

Ben Shapiro's article
I believe this article is right on and I am Irish Catholic.

Reality Check,
Desperate Republicans return to empty "Cold War" rhetoric. The hatred and threats of violence at the McCain events is a symptom of the bankruptcy of ideas in GOP land, getting reamed by Bush for 8 years. Terrorist fantasies thrown out by the McCain camp is sick! Palin does not say a word against those threats by your fans. Scary stuff. That is truly scary stuff.

Great article, but
it doesn't go far enough. Christians, other non-muslim religious groups and the secular American culture should have recognized by now that their own future is tied intrinsically to that of Israel, on principle, and in reality. The "left" hopes that by placating and pandering to the Islamist culture, they will be able to avoid deadly confrontation; They are unfortunately just pathetic, dishonest, incompetent blowhards and shallow left-wing fools.... If and when the jihadis are ever finished with the Jews, they are coming after you... They were Hitler's No. One ally, but they never gave up their common war. If you read and interpret history honestly and rationally, and share the common values of modern western civilization, there is no other conclusion. Get real!

The Jews Are Blessed By God
But the left hates God and if given the chance will turn against the Jews. (1) In Obama's first memoir he said if pressed he would side with the muslims. (2) He has said his buddy Rashid made him think, gave him a new perspective. (3) Rev. Wright gave his good friend Farakhan an award in the church. (4) Obama refers to the racist, anti-semite cult leader as "Minister Farakhan" You should never give such an evil person that kind of respect.
(5)It's obvious that Obama's "Christian" faith is twisted. (6)It's also nominal, just a political convenience. (7) He is disengenous and unprincipled. He can't be trusted to do the right thing.

But God fights for Israel McCain/Palin 08!!!

Where's the (kosher) beef?
I waded through this ridiculous article waiting to hear of some actual policy positions taken by Obama that were dangerous to Israel. There weren't -- it's all about somebody who maybe once worked on Obama's campaign who said something nice about someone else who in turn failed to be nasty enough to Palestinians, and that means that they aren't truly supportive of Israel. Give it a rest. America has its own foreign policy that turns on what benefits America the most, and yet America has always remained steadfast in its support of Israel (otherwise it would no longer exist) and it always will. Obama will be no different. I suggest reading this May 2008 article in the Atlantic about Obama and Israel: http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/ob ama_on_zionism_and_hamas.php#more

Statehood
since our politicians can never say a single good word about the Palestinians to help them w/o AIPAC ruining them, its time to break that death grip, see J Street.
But don't worry young Ben Sharpio, Israel will never become our 51st state as then they would control only two U.S. Senators, a quote by former P/M Sharon.
Can anyone explain why the USA needs a socialist democracy in the Middle East? Its costing us a fortune! Force the peace!

Obama Supports and Advises Raila Odinga
The pro-Islamic Kenyan candidate for president has signed an agreement with Muslims to impose Shariah Law if he becomes president. He also incited his followers to riot in which case a 1000 people were killed, hundreds of churches were burned or destroyed (no mosques were damaged), and thousands more were displaced from their homes.

Obama raised nearly a million dollars to support Odinga. He designated a Congressional staffer to be his primary contact and advisor to Odinga.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.phpfa=PAGE.view&pageId=7 8035

History may hold more...
Class warfare has much to do with the problems in American politics. The entitlement people wanting more welfare and blaming the rich.
A government that its own economy is damaged by reducing its own productivity and demanding more and more from others in the sake of "green." These leaders that put the air we breath above the security we need will never be in a line for food or gasoline.
Socialist welfare produces followers not leaders. Does any of this sound like 1939 Germany.

WHAT OBAMA'S WEBSITE SAYS ABOUT PALIN ??
I WAS A LITTLE OFFENDED AT THE WAY THIS EXCERPT FROM AN OBAMA WEBSITE STARTS OUT ABOUT SARAH PALIN... BUT JUDGING FROM WHAT IS SAID AT THE BEGINING THEY IMPLY THAT SARAH IS TRYING TO HIDE THE FACT OF HER JEWISH ANCESTRY TO ADVANCE HER POLITICAL CAREER THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT SHE PROUDLY DISPLAYS A JEWISH FLAG IN HER GOVERNORS OFFICE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON IMPLYING THAT THEIR IS A VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT SHE HAS JEWISH ANCESTRY...OF COURSE THIS IS A BUNCH OF EL TORO POOH POOH AND I MIGHT ADD THAT STUFF LIKE THIS IS WHY A LOT OF FOLKS THINK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM...TAKE A READ AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK? I WILL POST THE LINK TO THE OBAMA WEBSITE TOO...TRY TO READ IT BEFORE THEY TAKE IT DOWN.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/zibutemasalas

EXCERPT BELOW:


"there is the question of family
matters she has attempted to conceal to advance her political career.
Governor Palin "proudly displays" an Israeli flag in her gubernatorial
office and for a very good reason"

Palin's Grandfather
Her maternal grandfather, Schmuel Sheigam, was a Lithuanian Jew, born in
1912 in Vilkaviskis , Lithuania , 91.2 miles west of Vilnius . The Sheigam
family immigrated to America , via Hamburg , Germany in 1915 because of WWI."

The Names Are Altered
At Ellis Island Immigration Centre, the name was entered as Sheeran, a
standard practice of the time when immigration officers were unable to
understand the pronunciation of non-English speaking immigrants. Sheeran is
a common Irish name but members of the Sheigam family are buried in the
Jewish cemetery at Budezeriai near Vilkaviskis:in Lithuania "



PALIN JEWISH HERITAGE

Documentation
Further information on Governor Palin's ancestors can easily be found in the
vital records in the Lithuanian State Historical Archives in Vilnius . The
Archives holds birth, marriage, divorce, and death records for the
Lithuanian Jewish community from 1851 until 1915 when the Jews were required
to leave the country because of World War I. They are in 18th Century
Cyrillic script and Yiddish Many of these records include the mother's
maiden name and town of registration. "

JEWISH ANCESTORS?
AGuide to
Jewish Genealogy in
Lithuania

If you
weren't so dangerous spouting this rubbish it would be funny. You sound like a sketch from Monty Pythons. Why is it that rabid nutters like you always go insane if anyone offers the least support for the Palastinians?

And talking of ashamed, I think all those who voted for Bush should not just be ashamed of themselves, they should get on their knees and beg forgiveness.

C'mon Obama.

Add Jesse to the mix
Dear Mr. Shapiro,

One wonders - briefly - why Ed Koch has suddenly turned against Senator McCain, and toward Obama. Think: Crown Heights. Think: another pogrom-in-the-making. I am not usuing those words casually: riots have been promised should Obama lose.

The black community has accused the Jewish community of abandoning it, and can't be seen - (publicly anyway) - opposing a black Democratic nominee. Might wanna read Radical Chic by Tom Wolfe.

The agenda that Farrakan and Wright and others have in mind: destroy America economically, and you'll destroy Israel. So it's said in the streets of much of the middle east. So it goes.

Obama wants to eliminate ALL nuclear weapons; it's certain he'll demand Israel drop hers, first. And Israeli nukes (or the threat of having nukes) may be, aside from the support of the US, the third most important defensive strategy Israel has for survival. You should know the first.

And now Jesse has spoken. Some people need to stop hitting their snooze alarm.

And there were Jews who supported Hitler
All you have to do is look at the ones that support Obama and if it isn't clear to you, then come on...let me show you to the shower room.

Marlyn
Read the comments on this thread from Obama supporters. Their tone should leave you in no doubt about their attitude towards Jews.

You only have to remember who
obama hangs out with to see where he stands on Israel and the Jewish people.
Farrakan and wright...I detest anti-semites and have broken off friendships when I found out people's views ...obama listened to wright for 20 years and never heard an anti-semitic remark? gimme a break, are we THAT stupid? Farrakan is even worse and then add jackson and sharpton into the mix, got the picture?

Obama's words in his own book condemn him, "he'll stand with the muslims", one has to be brain dead not to see where this guys loyalties lie.

He isn't a muslim, sure he isn't, I'll believe that when I see him chowing down on some pork ribs..I can call myself anything, but that doesn't make it so..this guy is a dangerous liar who should never be allowed into power.

The Jewish Dilemma
Jewish Americans, in fact, Jews in general, are known for their intelligence. But I really believe if Jewish Democrats vote en masse to elect Barack Obama they will be pounding a final nail into Israel's coffin.

Barack Obama is no friend of Israel. Look at his Muslim friends and his American friends like Jesse Jackson who is quoted very bluntly as saying Obama will change the U.S. policy toward Israel and Palestine.

Even though the Jewish religion's centuries-old call for support of the poor and less fortunate motivates most religious, and even secular, Jews it would be madness and utter stupidity for Jewish Democrat voters to help elect Barack Obama, half black, but one of the most wealthy and privileged minorities to ever run for the presidency. Think Rev. Wright and his anti-Israeli sermons.

Obama is buddies with Farrakhan
(Rev. Wright gave Farrakhan a *life award*) and the Black Muslim *platform* includes destruction of Israel and condemnation of the Jews worldwide. Remember, on ABC, O referred to *my Muslim faith* and he has written he will side with Muslims in world affairs.

O has already received millions from Gaza, *seat* of Hamas, a terrorist gov't. He does not disavow them.

O is preparing to withdraw from the Middle East and deny Israel's role as an ally, so that he can *negociate* with Iran in person.

Any Jew who votes for O is voting for a social/politcal Holoncaust as public policy.

Coppertop, location Pa
From the very beginning I was shocked and amazed that so many of my Jewish friends were going to vote for Obama. It was very clear that he was no friend of Israel and would not support the only friend of the USA in the region. I thought this article was the best I have seen in a long time on the sufject.

Check this out....
It's AMAZING to me that these "elders" (who are SUPPOSED to be passing on THEIR WISDOM to the younger generation) are buying into Obama's socialist/marxist ideals! -- at the urging of their ignorant, misguided grandchildren, who have been well-indoctrinated by the media/entertainment industry AND tenured, radical left-wing college professors, such as unrepentant terrorist Bill "I-Wish-I'd-Done-More" Ayers! What the H__L are they thinking??? (Methinks we should blanket Florida with copies of Shapiro's editorial)!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/great.schlep/index. html?section=cnn_latest

LetsAllRelax
"Why is it that rabid nutters like you always go insane if anyone offers the least support for the Palastinians?"

Well, gee let's see...

Could it be because on 9/12/01 the news showed clips of Palestinians dancing in the streets and firing guns in the air upon hearing that the Towers had collapsed?

While at the same time Israel was offering its sympathy and whatever support it could provide?

In other words, KNOWING WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE?



And by the way...
I haven't seen any of the Arab states stepping up to the plate for the Palestinians either. In fact, Kuwait kicked them all out after the first Gulf War.

Here's another link....
...that we should forward to as many people as possible before election day. It seems that too many people have either FORGOTTEN, or have NEVER LEARNED about the dangers of socialist/communist idealogy.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/20081012YB





Pamela 12:57AM
"I do not understand why the ADL leans to the Democrat Party. Can someone explain that to me?"

You're looking at this too narrowly. Broaden your scope a bit; step back and look at it from a much broader perspective.

It has to do with both of them being motivated by similar spirits.

Reality check
Crown Heights.
Wonder why Koch turned tail, and ran from McCain? Crown Heights. The scent of fear is all around - and anti-Semitism is deeply embedded in the New Democratic Party.

Jani 1:53AM
Does it at all concern you that, in a few short weeks, the American people are probably going to elect to the office of the Presidency of the United States, arguably one of the premier positions of power and influence in the modern world, a man who, three years prior, the vast majority of them didn't even know his name?

Tribalism Rears Its Ugly Head
I think many Jewish Americans always want to be on what they perceive as "the wave of the future." It seems they haven't learned from their experience with Communism. "Oh, but it was a great idea, just not properly executed."

The same pop psychology seems to be apparent in the Obama boom. But they are neglecting one key factor: It all comes down to tribalism and the Muslims are one tribe and the Jews are another and they are not, and never have been, friends.

Guess which one Obama is going to align with?

Obama- the destruction ofAmerica& Israel
Louis Ferrakhan know that Obama is a Muslim Arab, and does not believe a word Obama says about being a "friend' of Israel or else he would not be supporting him and calling him the Messiah for Mohammed.

Jesse "The Extortionist" Jackson confirmed this last night saying that the "Zionists" will have less influence on foreign policy under Obama. Jesse Jackson also knows that Obama is a Muslim Arab, and not a Christian.

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton,and Louis Ferrakhan have never been a "Friend' of Jewish people.

They have the same Goal as Hitler did,World domination, this time by Muslims. We know why they are for Obama.

The question remains, and the Jewish citizens of America should ask the Democrat Jewish Legislators, Chuck Schumer, Lautenberg et al why they will Vote for Obama, why would they Vote for the Destruction of Israel, why do they praise Obama for his inexperience, and his Marxist ties.

They should ask why these same Legislators Vote against their "friends, the USA" to defund America's Military, to surrender in Iraq,Why they are against George Bush for fighting against Islamic terrorists,why they want to abolish the Patriot Act that protects Americans and Jews living in America. Why are they in the Democrat Party, the Treason Party.
Why these Jewish Legislators embrace Marxism themselves?

When a Jewish constituent asks and receives an answer from Schumer, please let me know what he said..

I hear that train a coming
It's coming round the bend. Please wake up Jewish Americans. Your moto used to be never again. Now you seem to be saying never say never. Listen to the wisdom of Ben Shapiro and Dick Morris as well. Some of your liberal leaders are false prophets and will sell you out in their lust for power. McCain/Palin are your true friends. Wise up. Please before it's to late.

pro-arab = anti-semitic?
The author "proves" how some of Obama's supporters are anti-semitic simply by showing that they are associated with pro-arab organizations. Isn't that a false dichotomy?

To show anti-semitic sentiment, don't you actually have to act or talk against Jews, as opposed to doing so in favor of Arabs?

Bulldog74
"Could it be because on 9/12/01 the news showed clips of Palestinians dancing in the streets and firing guns in the air upon hearing that the Towers had collapsed?"

Link?

All you people from IL are
severely brainwashed. Must be something in the water. Hear from an unbiased source? how about dear Rev. Jackson, or the pretty in purplecassockwearing neo-comunist Wright? what about Farrahkan don't you understand. Density, that's my diagnosis of the severity of the damage an Obama kool aid has caused. When he plans your own extintion will you cry then? You'd better be a Palestinian if you want to get a break.
Israel rocks...Shalom

Bulldog74
you wrote...'Palestinians dancing in the streets and firing guns in the air upon hearing that the Towers had collapsed?...

Why were they dancing in the streets? This hatred and frustration did not grow in a vacuum. Bush never even bothered finding out.

Secondly: on 11. September there were most probably Israeli policy-makers looking at the towers burning and cynically calculation by how many $billions they could increase their demands for military aid from America. (But, of course, that would never happen, would it, because all Israelis are 'honorable').

And, by the way, there were millions of Arabs totally shocked by the attack done in their name.

Disappointed
in my fellow Americans - for not reading, investigating the candidate - Barack Obama - for those of us who have taken a 'WHO ARE YOU' approach - we know that Barack Obama is pro-palestine - very much so. Just get on line - spend a few hours if that is all you can - google Obama/Ayers/Edward Said/Rashid Khalidi.
Khalidi is the professor at Columbia who arranged the talk there by Ahmadinejad.
Look at Obama and his advisor Robert Malley.
WRIGHT/PHELGER/REZKO - Obama and the Chicago slums, Obama and the Iraq electrical system.
Obama and Giannoulias and the Broadway Bank.
Follow all the threads. Obama and ACORN.
Rev Wright - said Obama has to distance himself from certain idealogy during the campaign but Wright and many of Obama's cohorts know exactly who he is - and fellow Americans - it ain't pretty. Jesse Jackson - I do not agree with on any matter - but in this case - even a stopped clock is right twice a day - AND JACKSON AS WRIGHT KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT - when he says Obama will change America's stance on Israel. I have been wondering how Jewish people can consider voting for Obama - well I wonder how anyone could consider voting for Obama - are we are brain dead??
Do some research and if you come away thinking Obama is OK - then you do not have one suspicious bone in your body - in fact you may need to be more careful in your life decisions.

This Jew Is Not Fooled
When I saw Obama had associations, financial support and political support from Wright,Rezko, Farakhan, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Mansure, Odinga, Jackson, Sharpton, and Khalidi, it was as clear as day to me that not only would he be terrible for Israel, but also terrible and a danger to our country.

Why are democratic Jews shrugging off the obvious? Because Obama has a "D" after his name.

They would rather have a democrat in office than vote for a republican, even a watered down republican like McCain. They were told for decades that republicans hate Jews and Christians are more dangerous than any evil that swirls around in our world.

Why are republicans voting for McCain? Because he's not a democrat. He has his major faults that over shadow his postives, and yet most of us will still vote for McCain simply because we refuse to have a marxist, tax hiking phony in office.

Do you actually think his associations are mere coincidence and based on poor judgement? No, that's being to kind. There is an absolute reason why he has them in his pocket and has had years if not decades of support from them he reciprocated.

Democratic Jews, as well as democratic Christians and Catholics will still vote for Obama regardless of all this. It's because he is a democrat and he is not Bush. The rest is simply ugly window dressing to them and they just won't look at it.

Letsallrelax
Oh really?

So what news station were you watching to see the Middle East mourning when the two towers went down? Or were you there in the middle of the fray crying your eyes out with the rest of the jihadists at the thought of the loss of American lives?

Were you there when the evil coveting Israeli's were taking out their calculators and adding up the billions they hoped to make on the deaths of Americans?

All I saw, as I flipped through dozens of news television, were those millions of so-called mourning Arabs dancing in the street, singing Death to America, clapping, waving their hands in the air, and passing out candies to the happy children.

Perhaps I'm not up on Arab culture and reactions like that mean they are deeply saddened by our loss?

As a Jew, I surely didn't get phone calls from my relatives, friends or associations telling me how much money we made on this. In fact, we wept.

Your 911 Thruther Insanity is showing. I know you despise Jews, but please, don't distort reality to fit your twisted agendas.

Obama undersatnads Jews
which ticket do you think has had more exposure to Jews and Jewish friends? Obama, who went to Columbia and Harvard and lives in Chicago, and Biden, a lifelong resident of the northeast who went to Syracuse Univ. law school--or McCain, a career military guy and Palin, who went to Univ. of Idaho and grew up in Alaska?

Mrs Ramsey
Amen. Most people from Illinois are idiots and in complete denial. Chances are they do not work, they do not own property and have been living off of the Cook County taxes I have been paying all my working life.

I have been working my behind off for them. Come here and you will see millions of people with their hands out wanting more and demanding they are entitled to my money because they are told they are victims.

We harbor human pukes like Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Dohrn, Pfleger, Farakhan and Jesse. How do these clowns exist and thrive and gain riches? Because Illinois is a cesspool of corruption and hate.

Obama was swimming among the sharks. Coincidence? Poor judgement? Not likely, not likely one bit. Come January, this country will morph into Illinois. None of it will be an accident or poor judgment.

Hogwash.
No nation or state has a right to exist.

Not Russia, not Georgia, not France, not the United States.

Not Israel.

A state ensures its existence either thru its armaments or various treaties and/or relationships with others.

Switzerland does not possess the world's mightiest military, nor is a member of NATO, yet it still exists.

Insofar as Israel is concerned, it has every right to deploy whatever armaments are required to guarantee its existence.

But it is un-American to argue American foreign policy should sacrifice the lives of American soldiers so that Israel exist.

Let Israel's people sacrifice.

I for one find nothing wrong with Obama if the point is his refusal to shed American blood on behalf of other peoples, be they Israelis or Kenyans.

In fact I applaud him on that point.

Now, on Darfur I have problems with any suggestion by Obama or McCain to send American forces to stop the savagery.

And they both have suggested having American forces join in a coalition with others to do just that.

If we endorse that, where will it end?

Should American soldiers have been hacked to death while separating the tribes in Rwanda in the 1990s?

Hell no.

McSame 2008
You missed the point - eating bagels and lox and watching Woody Allen movies -- living in areas with high concentrations of Jews does not make one "understand" jews. Palin, as a born-again Christian will understand jews because unlike Barry's church, Palin's studies the Old Testament, which if you weren't aware, is a Jewish text. True born-again evangelical Christians are extremely protective of our Jewish brethren.

Al
Did you read this article before posting? Your comments have absolutely nothing at all to do with any of the points raised by the author. Maybe try the Daily Kos for some like minded individuals next time...

jerabaub
Wasn't OBAMA part of the ODINGA campaign. That destroyed KENYA. His good buddy ODINGA MUSLIM/COMMUNIST. Voter fraud didn't work for them so they went with the butchers after loosing. Obama has so many good people in his life. I think we should trust him. I wonder if OBAMA was taking notes in KENYA.

privacy of the voting booth
when each of us closes the curtains to the voting booth, we can vote against Obama....if there are riots promised against crown heights if Obama loses, then the Obamatrons will only be showing what they are really like, and that is what the police are for, dressed in riot gear, making certain that Obama does not do here what his advice to Odinga did in Kenya. It was Obama that told 'change' agent Odinga to scream 'voter fraud' when he lost, and that led to 800 Christian churches being burned to the ground, 7,000 hilled, 500,000 homeless. Don't let Obama get hold of the 'suitcase'. He is the devil himself.

jerabaub
What would you be willing to fight for? The guy on the next bar stool, who accidently bumped you and bringing out your drunken anger? Would you be willing fight for the existance of another?
You sound like a true Democrat and especially a true liberal, who by the way are attracted to the color yellow.
Typical. You wouldn't lift a finger to make a personal sacrifice. But you'd let someone else do it then of that person and call them warmonger, baby killer, etc. etc.
You might want to do some comparison shopping in the event that your master gets elected. Because you certainly will have to get yourself a prayer rug.

Palin is a staunch supporter of Israel
and so are most Christians. Don't believe the demoncrats lies.

Jews for Obama
As a young Jewish American, I could barely get through this article without getting sick to my stomach. As I watch McCain-Palin rallys and the rapid hatred and fear they try to incite in supporters it gives me nightmares for our country. The essence of Judaism is not about being pro-life or anti-gay as this article suggests, it is about preaching love and tolerance and respect to others and this article and this campaign could not be farther from that goal.
As a member of a religion who suffered from the desecration of over 6 million of its believers in the Holocaust I find the level of hatred and manipulation the McCain campaign is resorting to terrifying. It reminds me of some of the world's lowest points in history and I only hope for our country and for Israel that McCain will shift his tone and instead of resorting to fear tactics he will try and bring out tolerance and understanding in his supporters.

Shells1
We will morph into Cabrini Green.

Dear Faith, No offense but
The naivety shown in your post is mind numbing.

Faith
Location: MD
Reply # 2
Date: Oct 15, 2008 - 9:17 AM EST Jews for Obama
As a young Jewish American, I could barely get through this article without getting sick to my stomach. As I watch McCain-Palin rallys and the rapid hatred and fear they try to incite in supporters it gives me nightmares for our country. The essence of Judaism is not about being pro-life or anti-gay as this article suggests, it is about preaching love and tolerance and respect to others and this article and this campaign could not be farther from that goal.
As a member of a religion who suffered from the desecration of over 6 million of its believers in the Holocaust I find the level of hatred and manipulation the McCain campaign is resorting to terrifying. It reminds me of some of the world's lowest points in history and I only hope for our country and for Israel that McCain will shift his tone and instead of resorting to fear tactics he will try and bring out tolerance and understanding in his supporters.

Dom,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_ attacks :

The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) immediately condemned the attacks. Shortly after the attacks began, about 3,000 Palestinians poured into the streets of Nablus, chanting 'Allahu Akbar' (God is (the) greatest), passing along sweets, honking car horns, holding up the V sign for victory and holding up Palestinian flags.[26] Also, in Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp, revelers fired weapons in the air, with similar celebratory gunfire heard at the Rashidiyeh camp near the southern city of Tyre as well.[23]

Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Nablus, and Lebanon taking to the streets in celebration, were broadcast around the world.[23] with many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services running photographs.[27][28] The PNA claimed such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians". In an attempt to quash further reporting, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not "guarantee the life" of an Associated Press (AP) cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations in Nablus was broadcast. Rahman's statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[26][28]


Faith
Open your eyes.
I do believe the highest standard the God of Moses holds his people to is Truth.
Don't hide from what is true and call it hate- mongering.
Don't keep siding with a party that claims to care yet their actions prove otherwise.
Actions. Truth is seen in actions.
Obama deceives.

Faith I was at one of the McCain/Palin ralleys.
THe media is lying to you. Go to one yourself. No one is yelling violent things unless you call USA,USA violent. No one is being incited. We could barely hear what was being said. People say yay and then people boo. The OBAMA fans outside harrassing the older folks and mom's with kids while they waited in line were not very nice. But we ignored them. Go to a rally and see for yourself.
McCain and Palin are just really good people. They love America.
They are proud of America.

Small Minded Me agenda
I think it is the most small minded , inane and senseless column and diatibe I have read in a while. As an American military member ,educator, African American and an Adult it is reprehensible that a child in chronological age, to me would consider that I stay static in life knowledge , experiences and wisdom and that somehow He/She is superior to me in knowledge , wisdom and experiences . I have always considered understanding cultural diversity a positive and I have always questioned a specious and deficient of merit and temerity arguments. This Anti-Obama straw man argument alluedging he is Anti-Semitic is preposterous. Please take the scales of your eyes just as the Apostle Saul/Paul.

Dershowitz=Buchanan
Its funny how the far left and far right blend into each other at the extremes.

Letsallrelax: what you want us to relax is our brains, as you obviously have yours into paralysis. You all relax: I believe that's what the gestapo was saying as they closed the rail car doors.

Biggest problem of US? non-observant Jews, 'liberal'=non or ex or heretical Catholics, and non-Evangelical Protestants, from what used to be called 'main-line' churches before they lost most of their members, but still survive from the trust funds of their pious, orthodox ancestors of 200 years ago.

Prager was right in yesterday's column: bring on the divorce, here between the secular/agnostics=Israel into the Mediterranean, and the Judaeo-Christian/strict construction of US Constitution=permanently pro-State of Israel (while of course leaving room to criticize certain policies, e.g. treatment of Palestinians.) That's why he attracted 530 responses.

Jerabaub, usually wise, here 100% wrong.
When did you become so totally pacifist and isolationist, a la Pat Buchanan? Was it wrong for Spain and France to aid us in Am. Revolution? Were you against aiding our allies in World WArs 1 and 2? Why the sudden turtling when it comes to defending our Israeli allies? This country was, and to some extent still is, built on the Judaeo-Christian ethic. In case you haven't heard, all the Jewish and Christian holy places are in Israel. Do you really not care if they're all turned into mosques?

Israel, perfect? No, but infinitely preferable to the alternative.

Jerseyvet was right earlier, too many liberal Jews (and other liberals) want to marry the current wind of change, but they soon turn into widows. They want to be seen as so 'open-minded'=skull open, brain falls out. They want to bend over backwards for the opponent; and you know what they do to you when you bend over.

Time to get Jews informed!!!
Thank you Ben for bringing up Samantha Power!!

As an Obama top forign policy advisor for the Obama campaign, Samantha Power(who was
let go during the primaries for calling Hillary Clinton a "monster")
will more than likely be put in Obama's cabinet.
A utube video implies that if she worked in the White House for Obama, she
would push for early withdrawl from Iraq, give financial support to
Palistine, and ingage in "ethnic cleansing" of Isreal to relieve political
unrest in that region.

This is yet another example of Obama's RADICAL involvements and what it
could mean for America.
I would appreciate if more Jews will look further into this story.
To see this for yourself go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw3m-kHYfHc

I can't understand why this doesn't get out to main stream media?
Let's face it, if Iran and Palistine go after Israel, it's only a matter of time that they go after America.

Christians and Jews need to flood main stream media and demand that they report the truth about Obama!!



Sara Silverman is an embarrasment to Jew
Perhaps when you see the Sara Silverman hateful video called the "The Great Schlep" You take the time to forward this video that was done by Sara Silverman a fews years earlier that makes fun of elderly people in a nursing home and then it ends with the Grandma dead in a coffin in a funeral home. (Symbolism using a Jewish star on Rose's coffin.).

Any Rabbi or Jewish organization like the "Jewish Council for Education and Research endorsing a Whore like Sara Silverman probably has no sense of Chesed and compassion toward the elderly in need. Making fun of them is Sick.

So be sure and send this link to your aging Bubbies and Zadies (Grandma's & Grandpa's)in Florida and elsewhere and see if they find her humor funny.

Perhaps Bubbie and Zadie will cut them out of their wills.

Sara Silverman - YOUR GOING TO DIE SOON!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8tSpPzs69k

LetsAllRelax
I was in Kuwait in January & February 2002, not long after the 9/11 attacks, so there's no need to lecture me about the reaction of the Arab world. I was there and I saw both the good and the bad. I'm not anti-Arab (I'm probably one of the few people in the US who thought maybe the Dubai port deal might not be a bad idea)--I just happen to be pro-Israel.

So, in keeping with your screen name, you might want to consider that maybe some of us actually have been places and seen things. Patronization does not become you.

Don
My, how magnanimous of you to argue Americans sacrificed so that others can exist.

Sorry, I ain't a dreamy-eyed humanitarian.

That is naive utopianism, idealism, more in common with the left than with the right.

You talk about my not lifting a finger in terms of personal sacrifice.

Yet you are careless with the lives of Americans, sitting there in your sanctimony, busy with your fingers on the keyboard,calling for American blood being shed for causes having nothing to do with our security, and on behalf of strangers.

There may indeed be causes worth dying for.

But the lives of Americans must always be paramount, must always come first.


All you need to know about Lon's
9:23 am 10/15 post:

Consistently uses lower case j for "jews" and "judaism," while our pals the Palestinians earned a capital 'P.'

Typo? Coincidence? I think not.

SamerNamerChanger.
So you are saying to be exposed to Jewish people makes you love Jewish people. And since there are no Jewish people in Alaska or in the Military( hasn't McCain been a Senator for quite a few years now and how do you know there are no Jewish people in the military or Alaska) anyway they cannot love Jewish people. I lived next door to a newlywed Jewish couple that I loved. They loved me too but didn't know I was a born-again Christian because they told me they were afraid of Christians. I always wondered about that. Now I believe I should have told them. Jesus was a Jew likewise were all the apostles that started the Church, and all true Christians love Jesus.
I'm trying to understand your point but I really can't. You really should look up Liberation Theology on the internet. Obama is not a Christian. Liberation Theology is not Christian. It is racist. And I am pretty sure Jews are not loved in that religion. White people are not.

McPeak falls way short...
...And I'm glad you brought up Merrill McPeak, who was the ranking member of the A.F. Academy staff that pushed the use of a known faulty training aircraft responsible for the unneccessary and wasteful death of young air force officers. If he's willing to expend the life of even one human being for monetary gain, his perspective on the safety of a nation should be discounted.

Jonathon
Facts are facts. Just because Obama has dark skin does not make him a good man. Find out who he is for yourself. Then vote. But find out first.

Faith in MD
Faith in MD -where is your outrage at the complete inaane hate-filled rhetoric and threats from the nuts who are Obama supporters - the left wingers who cures, threaten, scream... you know the ususal left wing nuts?. You didn't mention any. Nor do you have any outrage - you're just another left-wing liar who will say and do anything to deceive people. This is one of the many many reasons why Obama must be defeated in the election.. This country cannot continue to let these hate mongers rule. Our culture has suffered from the left wing nuts - our economy will totally implode under the left wing nuts. We need to take back our country and try to reinstate some standards into our country. Let the far lefties go slither back under the rocks from which they came.

JMartin
If during the turmoil in northern Ireland between the Catholics and Protestants, a Catholic Irish columnist had penned an article entitled "The Irish Catholic Case Against Bush 41"(on account of the writer's assessment the president was not willing to 'do enough' for the Irish Catholic there), people would have been enraged.

My underlying point is we must exercise great care before we deploy our military, sacrificing their lives, for causes which, while humanitarian, noble or otherwise compelling, are not in our national interests.

Of course, if we had known in 1941 what the Germans were going to do to European Jewry, we could not have stayed out of the war EVEN if Japan had not attacked us.

But once you sign on to the proposal the American military ought to intervene in the world for humanitarian causes, their lives may well be sacrificed in such areas as Darfur, the Congo, Georgia, and elsewhere.

Is that what we want?

The presumption must always be to use extreme caution here.

JMartin
It is a hard lesson, but you must make your own way in this world.

I know you realize that.

There may be times, like I said, when we intervene for causes not related to our interests, but care must be exercised.

Americans made the sacrifice to bring our Beloved Republic into existence.

Yes, I suppose we obtained some loans, and the French did send some naval vessels, but in the final analysis, it was Americans who froze to death in Washington's army.

In fact, in terms of other peoples involvement in our Revolutionary war, did not the British employ lots of German Hessians?

Again, in the end, we had to do this thing ourselves, and if anything, the colonial Brits were the ones using others to furtherance of their aims to defeat the revolution.

No offense to my esteemed British friends.

Lon 9:23AM
"On a side note, authentic judiasm, as Shapiro defines it, does not ascribe any personhood to a fetus until about 40 days after conception."

Once again, missing the forest for the trees.

jerabaub
Explain yourself to me please.
Are you a peace activist.
or are you a peace activist only for America.
Do we wait until we are occupied like England and France? Then try to regain freedom.
Do you believe "Give me Liberty of give me death"?
Or do you believe "Give me peace at all cost"
Can there be peace?
Can you take away all wickedness when every heart contains evil?
Not in this world.
Not in this life.
There is no Utopia possibe in this world.
Even if we all spoke the same language had the same religion were all the same race and had the same amount of money.
There is no Utopia possible in this world.
Face reality.
God is in control.
Good and evil exist.
We are at war with evil. Evil is fought with Truth.
But people have to care more about Truth then they care about peace.
True peace comes from knowing the Truth.

Jerabaub: agree and disagree
1. Jerabaub, I agree with you that "great care" and "extreme caution" should be used before sending US troops in harm's way. Everybody agrees, so this is a truism.

2. Still disagree with you when you create a slippery slope: if intervene in Israel, why not "Darfur, Congo, Georgia?" First of all, there is no need to envision intervening on behalf of Israel, on the near horizon thank God. But we have a historic, ratified-treaty mutual defense alliance with Israel that we don't have with the others. (PS I think it's a mistake to coopt Georgia into NATO, not our sphere of influence.) If we are going to unilaterally repudiate our treaties with Israel, then let's do so explicitly, not just by lumping them in with a pukey morally relativist list.

BO and Israel
Obama could care less about Israel and, frankly, I don't know why that should surprise anyone. He is a man connected to Wright for 20 years who is anti Israel, Ayers and Acorn. He is supported by Soros who wants to conquer the world including America, using his money. Those of us who believe in the Republic of America and Democracy are insignificant in their eyes.

B. Hussein Obama is for B. Hussien Obama.


Wake Up, America, or Die in Your Sleep!!
The so-called "victims" of America's assumed current racism are making an effort to rise up and gain restitution via the presidency of BHO. Blacks see this as racial warfare, while whites are so absorbed with pc'ness and the fairy tale of the first black pres that they have blinded themselves to the DANGERS OF A TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST OBAMA REGIME.

This is why John McCain is a patent fool, an idiot as it relates to this campaign, for taking Jeremiah Wright off the table; those tapes show the racial warfare mindset of Obama and his followers. I'm tired of McCain's f..'n mindless "respectful campaign." If he wants to sell himself out because of the Senate Club civility, fine, but he does not have the right to sell out the rest of us. I thought this guy was going to to fight for "blessed America" and instead he is, I believe, worrying about his image as an "elder statesman" in the Senate if he loses. He was a hero, but he is showing a sickening level of cowardice in this election. McCain was willing to fight dirty to get the nomination (ask Mitt Romney), now he thinks he's at a tea party.

We're going to have to drag McCain over the finish line.

Wake up, America, or die in your sleep!!

religion
Liberalism is a religion and it trumps all others. Liberals are going to be running the show come January and, quite frankly, I am scared.

No surprise
The only ones whom bh0 is any true ally (never friend) of:
(*) marxists--such as Castro, Chavez, Naxalites, JVP (Sri Lankan version of naxalite), Sendero Lumninoso (Peruvian naxalites), FARC (Colombian naxals)
(*) Islamists--such as Raila Odinga, Mullah Omar, Ali Khamenei, ...
(*) fascists--such as Putin

In other words, all your basic turdocrats!

As Judith stated @ 10:47, the only one bh0 is a FRIEND of is bh0.

jerabaub
But what if more of the world took on the vision of George Washington and our Founding Fathers. Liberty for all mankind. The people controlling the government under a Constitution that is Obedient to the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Shouldn't we be promoting the ideas of these great men instead of Karl Marx's socialism/communism through out the world. Isn't our Founding Father's vision BETTER THAN Mohammed's jihad? Where will the Jewish people thrive?

JMartin
Well stated.

We may be bound to Israel in ways we are not bound to other nations.

But I would hope not at the cost of illserving our national interests.

I am not interested in any religious dimension here. Not even remotely.

Only with what is in the interest of the United States.

I frankly am still ambivalent over what our reaction should be were Iran, for instance, to launch an attack on Israel.

My most important consideration would be its effect on our troops, on their safety and their lives.

Would the lives of our troops in Iraq be under extreme threat due to our military action toward Iran?

That has to be paramount.

It is hard to argue that Israel does not occupy a special relationship with us...whether some of that is due to the influence of aipac does not invalidate that reality.

While I won't argue this point, Michael Scheuer, former CIA station chief tasked with capturing or killing Bin Laden, has a book out titled "Marching Toward Hell", and his thesis is our indiscriminate support for Israel has greatly harmed our nation...that our support of Israel has enraged the Muslim world which just happens to sit atop most of the world's resource of oil, so vital to the United States and other industrialized nations.

At any rate, I appreciate your comments, and I largely agree with them(especially on Georgia..which I also think utterly insane to incorporate into NATO).

True friends of Israel.
Don't forget Carter won a nobel peace prize for brokering a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. If he had not done that Israel would fighting on yet another front.

The only democracy in the middle east???? Not full elections but an election. And Lebanon was a democracy before we helped Israel pounded the livin' daylighs out of them then as they pulled out spewed the place with cluster bomb that lay in wait to explode when stepped on. Lebanon was one of Bush's show case countries in the middle east and a promise of stability. Hezbellah was a minor player until Israel attacked. It strengthened Hezbellah and now they are a major player in Lebanon.

The President of Iran is the highest elected official in the Islamic Republic of Iran, second only to the Supreme Leader. We are so unpopular in the middle east they elect nuts like Ahmadinejad.

The population is exploding in the middle east from their very high birth rates. OIl revenues is not making its way to the populace. We can expect lots more unrest over there and the US is an easy target thanks to our policies.


Dr Chaz
I hope McCain realizes it is his duty to win this election. Duty comes before pride.

Joycey
You ought to go back and read George Washington's "Farewell Address to the American People", where he specifically warns AGAINST a too passionate attachment to other peoples, to other nations, such that our devotion to them blinds to what is in our best interests.

I don't think George Washington's views further your argument. In fact, his views are in the opposite direction.

Vote 'the messiah"
Great article! Obama is nothing less than "the one" appointed by the moveon.org people to run our country and get the US demoted as a super and economic power! If you want our country to be absorbed by the left vote Obama!If you want our soldiers to come home demoralized vote Obama! If you want a government controlled health care (failed in Canada and Europe) vote Obama!If you want higher taxes more government control, and if you want our children to be educated in the ways of socialism vote Obama!(Heck they doing it now) If you want our God given rights and freedoms to be taken away vote Obama! If you want a Obama, Nancy and Harry to lead this nation vote democratic! If you want abortion to be promoted to a new level, vote Obama! I could go on but never before have we had such a major difference in candidates! A quote from one of Bruce Willis's movies "I see stupid people...they're everywhere...they walk around like everyone else...they don't even know that they're dumb." It's a sad state of affairs when people in New York are interviewed by Howard Stern people and ask them whom they are going to vote for President. Obama is my man! ? Do you like his policy of fighting in Iraq until we have victory? Yes we can't give up until we win! Do you like his choice for VP, Sarah Palin? Yes she's great! (I rest my case) Obama has them all mezmorized!Even our teachers are talking about him like he is god! Wake up America! Wake up Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Mormon,and anyone who claims that Jesus Christ is Lord! Wake up people who claim that they are Jews in the flesh! You must vote for John and Sarah! Vote republican! Individuals who are "independent" think aobut it! Do you want to "share the wealth?" How scary is that? If you do vote Obama!

Al
Read"Because they hate." Gabriel. Read Mark Steyn's "America Alone." It is time for liberals to come out of their "Imagine all the people" dream. We are talking about the world loosing any chance it has to gain "Liberty and Justice". We are talking about the downfall of America. We are at a pivital point and will not be able to turn back.

Let Reality Shine Through
I have the great fortune to be able to examine contemporary Jews and Judaism from up close, but without being on the inside. I am married to a lovely Jewish woman.

Here's the reality.

Historically, conservatives have despised and distrusted the "other." Whether that group be black people, Mexicans, gay people, the French...it doesn't matter. And American Jews of all sorts realize they are and have always been the "other" in every society except Israel. Jews know that when teh pressure is on, they will be ther "other" in the eyes of Conservatives.

Historically, conservatives have been anti labor. American Jews were deeply involved in early labor unions and a great deal of individual and family success was due to them

Most Jews are not particularly religious. Even then, the number of religious Jews that identify with the Bible thumping, proselytizing, Christianity on its sleeve kind if religion is infinitesimal.

In the Jewish community, Conservatism is highly identified with evangelical Chrisitanity. Jews don't need to be told a whole lot of times that they are bound to hell just because they aren't Christians before they get the picture.

Conservatives despise and distrust higher education. Jews value it more than anything. They do not care if some sociology professor is a leftist as long as the kids get degrees and makes some progress in his lives.

The only thing favored by conservatives that resonates with Jews is support for ISrael. But tehy also know that support is tied to a Chrisitan vision of the end times: what CHristians really like about Israel is that it will be destroyed in Armageddon.





Stunned by Jewish Obama Support
I agree with your article. I live in a secular Jewish area and I'm absolutely stunned by the support for Barack Obama. I'm not Jewish and even I can see that Obama has pro-Arab leanings. Why isn't this more obvious and concerning to secular Jews?

Question???
Can anyone tell me why ANY Jewish person would ever consider voting for the Democrats?

The Democrats have made it plain that they do not like Jews in the U.S. and they do not like Israel. So why would any Jewish person want to vote for them?

Are you an American?
This article is so sad to read. This is just another separatist's way of swaying votes the way he sees it. There's no truth in this article.
We are Americans voting for an American President who will serve our country to the best of his ability, with fairness and justice for all.
We have all heard Obama speak on Israel and he has said he considers Israel our greatest ally in the Middle East.
So knock off your bigot attitude which in my opinion is verbal terrorism.

Al in Illinois
"I see stupid people... they're everywhere.... they walk around like everyone else...they don't even know that they are dumb."
Yeah I am a "crazies!"
The only real "debate" was the Rick Warren hour! We learned a lot about the real Barack Obama! Uh, Uh, dah that is beyond my job description! Life begins at conception!
Hey how about those streets of Chicago? How many lives are lost there in a year? How many lives are lost in other cities because of gangs and illegals? How many lives are lost because of illegals driving cars without licenses? How many lives are lost in car accidents because of drunk driving? Dah Uh, go look it up! President Bush did the honorable thing by placing Saddam where he belongs! If Sadaam wanted to stay in power he should have stopped firing at our pilots in the no fly zone! If Sadaam want to be alive now he could have allowed inspectors in and be open with them that he did not have weapons of mass destruction1 How sad that the national press and Obama have you thinking the way you do! Go read Ted Nugents book! Ted, White and Blue!

Jerabaub
George Washington's vision for this country was socialism/communism? I just don't see that.
Do we have to have war to promote the ideas of Freedom and Liberty and Justice for all? No! Is war sometimes necessary? Yes! We constantly promote socialism/communism,and immorality to the world through our elite and our media. Is this what George had in mind? NO!

Does Obama love America?

Is Obama proud to be an American?

Does Obama know what it means to be an American?

Do you?

No! Rev. Wright let us all know Obama's views.


I'm not sure I understand what it is you believe at all. Except we shouldn't fight for our Freedom. Unless we are fighting for it here. At the last possible moment? When we are the most likely to loose many,many, many American lives and perhaps never recover. Instead of our bravest of the brave soldiers are out there trying to nip it is the bud.

Backfire
All the trash that the McCain campaign has thrown at you will backfire on him and his campaign any moment now.
McCain and his choice camp is filled with lobbyists and less than clean representatives.
His connection to Keating, Liddy and other dirty players will fly in his face.
McCain and Palin chose to play dirty politics and the mud will fly right back at them before this election is over.
It's too bad.
By the way you can fact check everything you hear about either presidential candidate.

45 cal
I tried to provide a reality orientation for conservatives who mistakenly think Shapiro makes sense.

But let me make it even more clear. The biggest problem conservatives have in trying to attrtact Jewish votes is that Jews are NOT stupid. The kind of BS that conservatives swallow whole just makes Jews shake their heads in disbelief.

Specifically, when you write: "The Democrats have made it plain that they do not like Jews in the U.S...." they know for sure that conservatives are too dumb to deserve a vote.

chicaree
"The population is exploding in the middle east from their very high birth rates. OIl revenues is not making its way to the populace. We can expect lots more unrest over there and the US is an easy target thanks to our policies. "

Unfortunately, even if we were to totally disassociate ourselves from Israel and follow a "hands-off" policy toward the entire region (something I hope never happens), we would still be a target of Islamic Fundamentalists who hate what we are.

These clowns can't even stand countries like Malaysia and Indonesia because they are cosmopolitan and tolerant of others.

Remember that on 9/11, the target was NYC, a veritable beacon of tolerance and diversity.

Jocey
That's ridiculous. No one speaks for another.
Obama speaks for himself, not for a church, not for anyone else.
Try listening to what he has to say and base your judgement on that and by fact checking the garbage that comes out on this ultra conservative site.

Eleanor
Shapiro is trying to give you facts.
Why are you taking Obama's word for it.
Obama is a deciever.
You need to get more information.
The man speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
He is not an honest man.
Do you trust every word that comes out of every mouth? Why are you calling Shapiro a liar? You can look up what he has told you and find out for yourself.
Do you believe everyone?
There are people that lie.
Obama like Bill Clinton is a liar.

St Barack vs the JEWS
Ben; When "Mighty Mouth" Jesse Jackson announced, in his last speech, the the ZIONISTS, ie THE JEWS, will not have the same influence in the Obama administration, should put the fear of GOD to every JEW in the world. St Barack of Obama will throw every JEW under the bus. I don't understand it. The sign is on the wall, yet, the American Jews are marching lock-step to their destruction. Talk about history repeating itself, this happened when Hitler got into power. The jews in Germany, at least most of them, voted for that monster, because anything would be better than what they had. They were whistling in the graveyard then, and they are whistling in the graveyard now.

Jack
You can be intelligent and ignorant of facts at the same time. Look up Odinga and Obaman. Spend some time there and think about it for awhile.

Eleanor
You don't attend a church or synagogue do you?

Joycey
No disrespect, but your posts are not making much sense.

I don't rcall anything in my post that suggested George Washington was a socialist or a communist.

I don't even recall anything I specifically said about Obama except to the extent he is opposed to sacrificing the lives of Americans soldiers for a foreign people, that is not such a bad thing.

There may be a few exceptions from time to time, but the operating rationale must always be that America, and Americans, come first.

I wish you well, but this will be my final posting to you.

Good day.

JMartin
Your point about my capitalization would make you look like less of an idiot had I not used Palestinian as parallel to Israelis both of which were capitalized.

As is, it is not clear that your comment deserves any more response than, what an idiot.

Lon 9:23 AM making it up as he goes
Once again Lon is making it up as he goes along.

Got to love liberals (and some conservatives)that do that. Just post the most outrageous facts with nothing to back it up and expect it to be believed.

Lon falsly claims:
On a side note, authentic judiasm, as Shapiro defines it, does not ascribe any personhood to a fetus until about 40 days after conception."

Just where does that tidbit come from? Where is the basis in fact? We can look at the acncient Jewish Rabbinical law called "halacha" or we can look to direct reference in the Bible.

From halacha we get "As a general rule, abortion in Judaism is permitted only if there is a direct threat to the life of the mother by carrying the fetus to term or through the act of childbirth."

Source is the Jewish organization aish at http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Abortion_in_ Jewish_Law.asp

From the Bible, Exodus 21:22 ( and I used King James version although I personally use other versions which are similar)If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

No mention of when the baby is concieved.

Bottom line is Abortion in most cases, especially the abortion on demand is against Jewish Law and Tradition.

Marj
Yes I have been taught a great deal about racism by Obama.
I know understan thoroughly that I am hated because of my skin color.

Chuck
Sometimes it is not such a fixed matter what counts as the forest and what counts as the trees. In a column that is meant to appeal to "authentic jews" it is not a bad idea to hide the fact that you are really just condescencing to such jews rather than taking them seriously.

There are relgious jews whose ideas are driven by their religion. There are also conservative activists who happen to be jewish, but are not really driven by their religion. One reason that the latter have trouble convincing the former is that they don't take them seriously enough to understand what drives them.

And expecting religious jews to take their theological ideas from the Vatican or from protestant christians is pretty high on the list of condescending to even such jews.

The remainder of jews, those that Shapiro calls inauthentic (even though he is clearly equally inauthentic by his own standard) are likely to respond as Faith does above, namely with disgust.

It is only the conservatives who happen to be jews, and the conserative christians who consider jews to be imperfect christians who are likely to find Shapiro convincing. And they are all for whatever Republican is running anyway.

Jack
Your 11:40 post is pretty accurate.

Socalled conservatives, and by that I mean the bunch that swigs the koolaid to excess, never understood Jews, and don't understand them now.

Socalled conservatives simply find it incomprehensible that Jews still vote "Democrat".

Such a mindset ignores the sympathy and identification Jews have always had with the dispossessed and downtrodden, and this is reflected in Jews disproportionately voting for the Democratic party, which rhetorically anyway concerns itself with these concerns.

Among American Jews today, there is not this obsessive fixation on Israel that some evangelical Christians embrace.


Elanor and truth
Elanor say's "there is no truth in this article." But then she fails to back her assertion up. Please show me one thing that is a lie or flasehood?

Did Sen Obama not associate with the people the article lists or did those people not do the things the article says. Does the bible (specifically Jewish Torah)or Jewish traditional law or not specifically speak out against Abortion and Homsosexuality?

On Abortion Sen Obama has a clear record of being Pro-Abortion right. He is a strong supporter of Homosexual rights to include gays in the military.

On Isreal he has a very mixed message depending on the group to which he is speaking.

Please show the untruths?

Joycey
you write: "I know understan thoroughly that I am hated because of my skin color."

Actually, I thinks its your idiocy.

Wake up Jewish Americans...
"Jews have always had with the dispossessed and downtrodden, and this is reflected in Jews disproportionately voting for the Democratic party"

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The Jews I know are more afraid of being "hated" so blow with the conventional breeze.

Since the media is 80%+ lefty/Democrat that's the way they we will vote....these people are still hiding from being scrutinized by [fill in latest anti-semite group].

Hey, I voted for Obama! Don't hate me!

Now, their own chickens are coming home to roost: an anti-Israel, pro-Isslamo, friends with Farakhan and Jesse Jackson is about to be elected....and the irony is: it's the Jews that will carry the day for him.

These same Jews would have been collaborators in the 40s.

btw, I'm not Jewish but my girlfriend is...she votes Democrat typically but I'm working on her. The fear of being hated is amazing but it's there and powerful.


McCain/Palin '08

McSame and understanding Jews
McSame writes in part "which ticket do you think has had more exposure to Jews and Jewish friends? "

Well to keep it in perspective one of the Presidential nominees was introduced at the convention by a fellow Senator and life long friend who happens to be Jewish. That same tickets running mate had an Isreali Flag in her office as Governor along with her state and US flags.

The other party is supported by Farrakhan. Now which group, in addition to putting American values ideas and priorities first, is going to be a friend to Jewish specific interests.

By the way the highest position held by any Jew in America, when measured by line of succession to the President, was Kissinger under Nixon and he supports Sen McCain.
Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

They have a name for it.
It's called the schtetl mentality. They try to be non-threatening so as not to draw the attention of anti-Semites. It didn't work against the pogroms or the Holocaust.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

exDemocrat
Your assertion Jews are "so afraid of being hated that they blow with the conventional breeze", suggests Jews are cowards.

This posting is not to dispute that, but only to confirm you believe it to be true.

I happen to think, as with all people, some Jews are cowards, and some Jews are brave.

At any rate, I suspect McCain/Palin will get about 30%-35% of the Jewish vote, due to moronic statements by Jesse Jackson and comment by Farrakhan that Obama represents hope the U.S. will change for the better.

While that is hardly a ringing endorsement, it does mean Farrakhan prefers Obama to McCain.

However, Jews are overwhelmingly turned off by Sarah Palin...her identification with fundamentalist Christianity alienates the great majority of Jews.

So that is where I arrive at.

Jackson/Farrakhan is a negative for Obama...but so is Sarah Palin on McCain.

Tins
The truth is Barack Obama is not anti Israel and to say he is is a lie.
To validate this article is a sign of bogotry.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright is an Anti-Semite
To any Jew, it should matter that Obama's personal minister of 20 years is a known anti-semite.

Common sense dictates that one doesn't stay with a minister for 20 years unless one agrees with his views!

I challenge any other Jewish person to claim otherwise!

It doesn't make sense for Jews to vote Democrat considering the leftist opinion of Jews. If you want proof, go to any left-wing message board and start singing Israel's praises. See the reaction you get!

The Democrat party is filled with leftists who believe...

1. Israel is to blame for the 9/11 attacks.

2. The Jewish lobby controls US foreign policy.


And I suppose
we can expect Gen. McPeak to be appointed as the Secretary of Defense under a President Obama.

Gen McPeak screwed up the USAF under his tenure. Now he'll do it to all the services.

Farrakin a non-issue
Who cares about Farrakin or what he has to say?
It's a non issue in this campaign.
We are voting for a President not a church leader or any religion. Get beyond the religious issue and look at the prospects of having John McCain/Palin in office?
If anything is frightening that ticket is.
McCain's campaign is run by seven of the powerful Washington lobbyists, his newly named transitional appointment played a major role in the food for oil scam with Iraq.
Yeah, later McCain called it dirty but that didn't stop him from giving the guy this latest appointment.
McCain proudly boasts he voted with Bush 90% of the time. He also boasts he held the position of Chairman of the Commerce Committee "with oversight over all areas of the economy." He didn't do his job or if he did it was with blindfolds on 90% of the time.
McCain claims to have warned about Fannie and Freddie but he didn't say a word about it until 1 year after another Senator wrote the legislation that failed to pass. McCain did not co-sponsor that legislation and was just another Johnnie come lately on the matter.
Bush appointed Paulson Secretary of the Treasury
Paulson took office on July 3, 2006. Alledgedly his job was to do something about preventing the economic chaos we are seeing today. Funny thing is, Paulson worked for Goldman Sachs the same year he became Treasury Secretary for the first half of 2006. Another funny thing is in 2004 and 2005 Paulson earned a combined salary, stocks and bonuses in the amount of about $12 million. Yet, in 2006, when he worked for you for six months and worked for Goldman Sachs for only 6 months he earned approx. $163 million from GS.
And guess what, following Paulson's appointment by Bush Wall St. remained status qou
And you believe things will change with John McCain? McCain is the same.

Elanor and Debate
First nowhere in the Article does Mr Shapiro say "Barack Obama is anti-Isreal".

In his statements Sen Obama claims to be a strong supporter of Isreal.

But then as the article points out Sen Obama has made some "flip flops" on his positions that I find troubling and has a long history of close association with people that clearly don't support Isreal.

Do you deny that is true?

Secondly on bigotry (you spelled bogotry with which I am unfamiliar);

I dislike Sen Obama for his tax policy, his marxist redistribution of wealth policy, his foreign policy to include Iraq, his stances on gun ownership, his policy on abortion, and openly serving homosexuals in the military along with same sex adoption rights. And many other issues I Disagree with Sen Obama on.

How does supporting that or this particular article in any way make a person a Bigot?



Ben
Good read. Nevertheless, American jews will pull the "D" lever even if OBlunder said he's HELP Iran nuke Israel.
-----------------------------------------
The NEW Declaration
if Independence now posted.

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/15/the_new_de claration_of_independence.thtml

A liberal cries every time someone reads it. A liberal's head implodes with every comment left!

ALL
The NEW Declaration
if Independence now posted.

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/15/the_new_de claration_of_independence.thtml

A liberal cries every time someone reads it. A liberal's head implodes with every comment left!

Bigot
Dictionary Definition: a person obstenately or intolerantly devoted to his or hers own opinions and predudises

End of story.

Tinsldr2
I admit that when I wrote that judiasm "does not ascribe any personhood to a fetus until about 40 days after conception" I was taking the word of my brother-in-law who is a rabbi at an orthodox synagogue.

But a bit of googling finds out that the passage he is taking that from is Yevamot 69b from the Babylonian Talmud which says "the embryo is considered to be mere water until the fortieth day".

I suppose I could be just making it up by going back in time and writing the relevant passage in the Talmud to make you look foolish, but the fact that the fetus has no personlike status before 40 days and a sub-person like status from there to birth seems to be pretty well accepted.

There are religious jews who object to abortion throughout, but they must fall back on a potentiality kind of argument, or like the Torah a property issue. You don't get the idea that abortion is murder from jewish tradition.

But then shouldn't an authentic jew like you know that?

Elanor are YOU claiming to be a Bigot?
your statement is confusing. why would you in your words "a person obstenately or intolerantly devoted to his or hers own opinions and predudises"

Why don't you show tolerance of others ideas? Why would you cling to prejudice?

personally I am open to all ideas and that is why I read a lot and evaluate issues from all sides.

Then I enjoy reasonable debate on the topic. Often after a debate I find that I have researched positions better and grew an even deeper understanding of the issues.

You should open your mind up more Elanor and let go of the prejudices you claim to hold.

By the way, Bigot definition in free online dictionary is big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bigot

Now you used webster but you only used half the definition: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

So are you claiming that anyone that supports the article has hatred and intolerance for a racial or ethnic group? how so?

Khalidi also said
that Obama must publicly support Israel to win an election in the U.S. Obama spoke glowingly of dinner discussions at his house and paid tribute to him when he left Chicago to go to Columbia University in 2003.

Lon and Jewish tradition
Jewish tradition does not say it is murder just that it is wrong. In fact Jewish tradition clearly, as pointed out in the passage of Torah (first five books of bible) makes a distinction in the causing the death of a baby and the killing of a person. Once the head is out of the womans body then it is considered a Person and to kill the baby then would be a murder.

What you say about the Talmud is true, it still does not allow abortion for abortion sake in the first 40 days.

For the full discussion of this see the Jewish Law reference abortion at http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/preemb.html In the first 40 days abortion is allowed due to gentic defect and some other considerations that it is not allowed in during the later stages.

Thanks for the talmud reference though. That is why you should always state references when you make an assertion so people can check it out :) In this case your statement is correct but not relavant to a discussion of Judiasm and Abortion in that Judiasm is against abortion except in extreme cases.


El your saying it doesnt make it true
Elanor your saying that Mr Shapiro "is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his own opinions and predudices"

Of course he is devoted to his opinions because when he evaluates the facts before him he comes to conclusions based on those facts and his experience.

He then gets paid to write about those opinions.

I don't think he is intolerant of the opinions of others though. He may disagree with them but I have never seen any column and this one certainly doesnt, where he attempts to stifle anothers opinion. I have written him about specific comments where we disagreed and he wrote me back and we had a few email debate. I know he has done this with others also.

If merely having a strong opinion after reviewing relevant facts and experiences makes someone a bigot doesn't anyone who has a strong opinion about anything become by default a Bigot? Am I a bigot if I like Diet Coke better then Diet Pepsi? I do feel strongly about it.

Shouldn't we save the word bigot for those who truly fit the conventional mold like KKK members and white supremicist or black supremecist groups?




Jack:
You still didn't answer my question. Why do American Jews vote for the Democrats? All you did was say that my question was stupid. I fail to see a connection. Perhaps I am stupid but I still don't see why they would vote Democrat for people who will not and do not support Jewish causes or people.

Tins
Have a great day. I have other things to do.

Tinsldr2
So when you claimed that I made up the idea that jewish tradition does not consider the fetus a person before the first 40 days, you knew that what I said was true, but just didn't like the consequence I was drawing from it?

The authentic jewish (to use Shapiro's term) on abortion is very different from the Christian take on it. The majority jewish take on it is possibly more different than that. There is a big difference between wrong and murder.

Lon 11:59AM
No.

Again you miss the point. The reference to "the forest for the trees" was concerning your implication that, IF your claim of assuming non-personhood of a 40 day old fetus (and that's a BIG "IF" - I'd like to see a relevant passage from the Torah stating such)is true, that somehow the issue of abortion becomes a non-issue for an observant Jew.

For a secular J


On a side note: I do consider your lower case writing of "jewish" and "judaism" a latent form of anti-semitism.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying "latent".

Full disclosure: No, I am not Jewish. Actually my pedigree is part Austrian.


Eleanor is leaving
perhaps cooler heads can now discuss this.

Very sad to read comments dismissing
our long term alliance with Israel. Apparently the left sees no value in creating alliances with friendly nations. Sort of seems strange considering how they talk about globalism - or are they really naive/stupid enough to think all the other countries in the world are going to be our friends if only we vote for Obama.

And
I hope she took Shelley with her.

state facts....not fears
Ben Shapiro states that "Authentic Judiasm is against homosexual activity altogether"

That case would make Israel Anti-Semitic based upon the following fact in Israel:

"Israel, Jordan, Turkey, and Cyprus are the only countries in the Middle East where homosexuality between consenting adults in private is not illegal and homosexuals are not persecuted under law. Until 2007, Israel had also been the only country in Asia where homosexuals were protected by anti-discrimination laws.Israel remains the only one in the Middle East with such laws.


Ben Shapiro also state that "Authentic Judaism is against abortion unless the mother's life is in danger" The laws regarding abortion in Israel are much less restrictive (exempting incest, rape, etc.), so once again Israel is Anti-Semitic according to Ben Shapiro

As an American Jew, I would feel more comfortable with Barack Obama protecting Israel than someone with Ben Shapiro's Orthodox Ideology.

Wake up people like Barbara Streisand
If I were Barbara Streisand (how sad a thought), I would like somebody tell me the "truth" before it is too late... that how stupid I've been to blindly support anti-semitist like Barak Obama.

I wonder how many Jewish people still cannot see things clearly!

Obama, Farrakhan and Rev. Wright
are both Obama supporters.

Obama's minister of 20 years, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, honored Louis Farrakhan with a Lifetime Achievement award.

These men are as anti-semitic as one can possibly get.

Rev. Wright was Obama's personal minister for 20 years.

You don't stay with a personal minister for 20 years unless you agree with his views.

Lon on abortion
No actually I had never heard that portion of the Talmud when you said that. that is why i criticized you for stating an obscure fact without reference.

When you referenced it I was able to look it up and I learned something new. Then I compared that to the commentaries on the Talmud and on abortion in Jewish law, Talmud and Torah.

The bottom line remained the same. Even in the first 40 days the Jewish religion teaches against abortion.

There is a difference in abortion as murder and abortion as a wrong doing, and Judiasm does not make an abortion a capitol offense. To that I agree with you there is a difference between the Jewish and Christian view.

However, the point MR Shapiro makes in the article is that abortion is just one of many reasons that a Jew who considers abortion wrong (in accordance with their religious tadition and teaching)should not vote for Sen Obama.

Now I personally can think of no reason that would make a person who believes in Jewish teachings want to vote for Sen Obama. But then I can't think of any issue on which Sen Obama has a better position then Sen McCain and why anyone would vote for him.

roger
apparently thinks that simply being Jewish makes one a participant in "authentic Judaism".

roger, your syllogisms make little sense.

What Israel's domestic policies are, has no bearing on what constitutes "authentic Judaism".

To Roger
If Barak Obama could "wholesale" all his associates when they are hurting his campaign, he certainly would "eat his words" about being a friend of Israel.

I was in Israel lately. FYI, most of your Jewish country men were against people like Barak Obama.

What's probably a worse news for you: Most of them appreciate America got rid of Saddam Hussein and they actually like George W. -- Hope you won't have a heart attack over this.

Rogers false premise
Roger you try and claim somehow that Mr Shapiro is wrong about abortion and homosexual marriage because of the secualr law in Isreal.

I do not believe Mr Shapiro ever made the claim that to be pro-abortion or pro-homosex marriage was "anti-semetic".

The Government in Isreal, much like our gov is secular not religious. Unlike many of its Arab neighbors the laws of Isreal are not directly taken from Jewish law.

For example you can find non-kosher food in Isreal but it would be harder to find food that is not eatable by Muslims in Saudi Arabia.

However, to say that a Secular Isreal does something in no way implies that Abortion or homosexual marriage are ok in the religious traditions of the Jews.

Geraldo Rivera and Friends
I admire people like Geraldo Rivera. They are TRUE to what they believe. Well, I don't agree with him all the time. But it takes GUTS to admit one's mistakes.

-- He was such an left extremist before 9/11, but he woke up, abandoned what he had believed all his life and rebuid his frame of references from scratch. So did people like Ron Silver, Dennis Miller, and many others who "dare to challenge themselves."

Can't say that for people who are too lazy to overhaul their frame of references, or too timid to face the reality. - Not sure which category Roger falls into.

You are completely ignorant
I as an Israeli take great offense at this article. If Ben knew anything about Israel he'd know that a huge majority of Israelis would most likely not fall into his category as "authentic Jews" due to most Israelis being let's just say "less than religious". He also gives no real reasons why Obama is "dangerous" for Israel other than abortion, which in case you haven't noticed Obama can't change law in another country. And he has disgusting racist tones while writing of Palestinians. The idea that Obama would simply denounce Israel is preposterous and you have no proof. Bush on the other hand I would argue was far more dangerous to Israel by attacking Iraq allowing Iranian terrorist groups to expand and increase their total numbers, and guess who agrees with every single approach that Bush has...you guessed it, Senator McCain. Watch this video where my generals of the IDF speak about Obama and how change is needed in the way we try to accomplish peace http://www.vimeo.com/1882159. And if Israel is so important to you, I suggest putting your money where your mouth is and get over there and support it, not sit here and squeel. If you live in America than the US is number 1, Israel is number 2 get your priorities straight, or move there and make them yours.

to Tinsldr2
Did I miss something in the article? I was reading the paragraph that stated that any Jew who votes for Obama ought to be "ashamed of him/herself" as he is not in line with "a single Jewish principle". He then lists gays and abortion as frontrunners of the "Jewish principles".

He condemns Obama for supporting the secular beliefs of Israel, and yet says he's anti-Israel.

I really dislike terms like "leftist" and "right wing nuts" as well as coded terms like "Arab, Muslim, terrorist"...I'd like to get into a discussion about real facts, not fears.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Israel is under greater Iranian threat today (as a result of George Bush's policies) than at any other time.

Jack (2:41 PM EST)
I appreciate that you're trying to illustrate a point & I don't mean to go on a tangent...

But does the fact that I have three university degrees (two of which come from a perennial "top 10," at least if you believe US News & World Report), and the fact that I manage to make it to the movies every couple of weeks on average disqualify me from being a conservative?

I thought only us conservatives had a tendency to stereotype.

BullDog
Not at all. In fact, if, like .45 cal, you couldn't grasp the reality of why Jews tend to vote Democratic instead of Republican, then you'd would appear to be a perfect candidate for conservatism.



Jack,
Actually, I go along with most of your reasons why Jews tend to vote Democrat; it fits with the mindset of most Jewish families I knew growing up (we got along anyway...those were the good old days).

It was your characterization of conservatives that got me...I may be a yahoo, but I'm an educated one!

Re: No Way!!!
With his(Obamarxist) now exposed muslim upbringing do you really think that this clown if he is elected going to have Isreal in their best interest?? I DON'T THINK SO!!!! This clown reaks with socialism and jihad through and through!!

Obama, will isolate Israel
The one protection US military enjoy in the middleeast will cease to exist during an Obama administration. By voting for the McCain/Palin ticket, we will be protecting even the Muslims in the middleeast.

BullDog
If you browse around more threads you will find some references to people like yourself, thoughtful, educated conservatives. And you may also notice that folks like yourself have pretty much abandoned the field in places like townhall, leaving behind irrational, angry, far less educated conservatives.

The result is that conservatism itself is starting to sound kinda loony: only the loons remain. I believe this is because thoughtful rational conservatives failed to take care of their own ideological territory. It's unfortunate, because a healthy America requires a loyal opposition, no matter who is in power.

Kill 6 million Jews?
Iran wants to destroy Israel and kill its 6 million Jews. Obama would negotiate! What would he negotiate? Would he allow Iran to kill only 3 million Jews?

It's time to move to Texas and secede from the Union.

A revealing and frightening "Obama Timeline" at:
http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

"What Obama would do..." at:
http://www.colony14.net/id35.html

JUST SAY NO TO BHO!
b.hussein is not good for ISRAEL,OR AMERICA.

Israel's Survival at Risk
An Obama Presidency will force Israel to compromise in areas that will affect their survival. Mr. Shapiro is absolutely correct.

Jack: Answer 1
Your answers do help. Thank you for doing it. Keep in mind that I (and many more people) do not always know things and we are not asking to insult.

I am from the South. The Jews I know in this area are conservative just like nearly everyone else. I am a mechanical engineer and work with a number of people including a few from the North but I do know there is a lot of difference in the way people there look at things. For instance, we tend to not like labor unions here. Except for occasional help in pay raises the union officials do more harm than good. As a result, while unions are certainly around, they have a lot less power here than they do in the north.

Conservatives HERE do not normally hate and mistrust "other". Too many of us are other in one form or another. Until about twenty years ago and to a certain extent even now, most of us, including me, are registered Democrats. But the Democrat party has moved off and left us to sponsor minority groups. While there are certainly minority groups here, we generally get along as long as everyone tends to do the best they can on their own. The real Democrats here now are generally those on Welfare or are illegal aliens. Despite what the MSM says, the Spanish people here who are Americans do not particularly like the illegal ones.

So: Conservatives here do not dislike Jews. In fact, we very seldom know who is one and who isn't. We simply don't care and don't understand the problems Jews have in the north.

We generally are Christian here but so are the Democrats. We are known as the Bible Belt for a reason. But again, we don't tend to blame the Jews for the problems Christ had. Those problems had to occur or he wouldn't have died to save us.

Jack: Answer 2
We also do not believe everyone else is automatically doomed to hell - although one group does. Of course they also believe every other Christian is doomed to hell too since we aren't in their religion. So we tend to ignore them.

We do value education despite the redneck image. Many otherwise MSM rednecks have college degrees and are professional. It is a Southern thing. It is fun sometimes to act like the MSM thinks a redneck should act.

We don't actually hate labor unions - as I said we have some - but they aren't as prevalent. And it isn't the union we blame for what problems we have with them. It is the union officals, most from the North, who seem to believe they can tell us what to do in our personal lives and how to vote.

We don't have and distrust entertainment. We probably watch as many or more than you in the North do. We do think the actors carry too much other jobs over to their daily lives. And we know many are flaky. For instance, when we have a murderer on death row we KNOW not only is guilty but is also very dangerous, we tend to laugh at the ones who think he should be released because he is a good actor. So unless they prove they are stable, we tend to ignore them. An actor who speaks for the Democrats (or Republicans) might influence people in the North. We laugh at them.

I am certainly not too old. I suspect I am older than you are since I am close to retirement. Here in the South, as far back as I can remember - or anyone else can remember - we haven't been anti-semitic. We had the blacks to be anti- to.

I am surprised by your last statement. Apparently there are more prophecies than I have heard.

So - does that make it plainer why I asked?

Roger and Isreal
Roger in your first post you brought up the issue of Anti-semitism. Mr Shapiro never did.

Mr Shapiro stated that Sen Obama's positions supporting abortion and homosexuality are not in keeping with Religious traditions of Judiasm. You then tried to defend those positions by pointing to secular positions of Isreal.

Can you deny that abortion and homosexuality are against religious (not secular ) traditions?

Then Mr Shapiro pointed to all the anti-isreal associates of Sen Obama. The pro pro-palestinian and pro-arab advisors and mentors he surrounded himself with.

Can you deny that these people held these positions, that these positions were anti-isreal or that Sen Obama had a close relationship with these individuals?

If Sen Obama surrounds himself with advisors that are distinctly anti-isreal why should we trust him to support our ally Isreal?

As an American I put America's interests first of course but what if any in the platform of Sen Obama would appeal to someone who believes in Jewish ideals and the security of Isreal?

In my opinion Many Jews that dont adhere to Religious beliefs will vote for Sen Obama even though it is not in their own interest to do so.
Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

I can't understand
How any informed, free-thinking voter could cast their ballot for Obama. It boggles the mind people could be so easily duped by this charlatan.

I don't care if they are Jewish, black, white, brown, whatever. If they cannot take the time to read about this skid and get right thinking into their heads then they deserve what they'll get with an Obama presidency.

A complete disaster.

But at least he'll most certainly be a one-term president. There is no doubt about that. It'll be Kennedy redux in the foreign policy disasters; Carter redux in everythng else, including foreign policy; because Carter was horrible in all areas.

Putin will be pleased Obama wins. Hammas will be glad since they are supporting him. Other weak-kneed govs like Germany will be pleased.


Well worth a read
From today's Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017536366&pa gename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Mr.Shapiro, unwarranted and unseemly attacks
will only diminish your credibility.


DESTRUCION BY OBAMA
It is certain electing Hussein will be the destruction of the United States as we know it, and loss of our sovereignty and individual freedoms and opportunity, because of the one world vew he has been impregnated with. He does not care for the US, Israel, citizens (who are white) workers, families, or freedom for individuals. He beleives the Americans are not smart enough to run their own lives, and need an infallible savior - him - and if they elect him, that makes him right - but only about how stupid the people are who will vote for him. They vote without researching his real stand on things, by observing his actions. We used to know actions speak louder than words. Maybe they don't as far as how people evaluate him - since his speech is so eloquent.

When he says in such a nice way I am going to screw you and rip you off and deprive you - the stupid people think it isn't true.

Barack Obama
I wish to voice my approval with Ben Shapiro.
Barack Obama is no friend of Isreal or America.
Obama speaks from both sides of his mouth to
please his audience. America and the world
have serious problems to encounter at a perilous
time to solve a myraid of differences in
economics, world order, and feeding the
multitudes. Mr. Obama is only interested in
creating a name for himself, and working his
own little field of dreams.

israel
israel is an albatross on the necks of the American Tax Payers.

both of these worthless candidates have kissed the israeli pinkie ring.

America needs to cut bait on it's relationship with israel and let israel take care of itself.

When has any israeli offered thanks to the American tax payer for the billions we have GIVEN them without one cent paid back.

Shame on us for getting snookered by, yes, the pro-israel, zionist lobby for hi jacking our foreign policy.

Americans need to focus on America's needs not israel's.

For those that love israel - please move there and fight and die for it yourself. Let's not spill anymore American blood and treasure on behalf of israel.

Obama I am sure will abandon the Jews
I started reading this thread and was hit with the idea that Bush lied to get us involved with Iraq. I wonder what that ly was? If it was the WMD thing then what was the lie. Bill Clinton and every major Democrat believe that Iraq had WMDs. A lie is a statement that an individual makes knowing at the time the statement was made that the statement was not true. Saddam convinced everyone that he had such weapons. Every major intel service in the world thought that he had WMDs. Abandonment of Israel is likely to lead to serious problems. We will lost an important foothold in the mideast. If we abandon Israel it will end with an attempt by the Arabs to exterminate the Jews. Israel is a legally recognized country and needs to be retained as is.

Brujo Blanco...unfortunately rationality
gets you nowhere these days...its all about what you can convince (fool) the electorate into believing. :)

And with all that....
American Jews still overwhelmingly back the Democrat Party. Do they not care for the Jews of Israel? I can't rationalize how they vote. I sincerely believe that if Obama gets the presidency, the status of Israel will become even more precarious than the present, where we do support Israel's existence. Good God, what must those people have to endure every minute of every day, besieged as they are?
Obama has proven in only the time of this political campaign that he's willing to diassociate himself from any past loyalties,change any of his "convictions," anything for the sake of expediency to embellish his ambitions. The real "change" he speaks of are those faulty past judgments he's made, and the "change" then needed to rectify them.

not loyal
The Jews in this country that are voting against the best interest of Israel could care less because they're only interested in themselfs anyway.

Just one more Know-it-all,
Shapiro proves in his article to be nothing more than a right wing Loon with an opinion heavily peppered with racism. Racism towards Palestinians and African Americans! He should stick to what he knows, which perhaps is law??, but not speak on Jewish beliefs or Obamas stand on Isreal! If anyone should be "ashamed of themselves" it is you, young Benjamin! You have skewed the abortion and gay beliefs of Jews in a very interesting (and incorrect) way! Jews believe that women have a right to their own bodies and human beings whether gay or heterosexual have the right to live their lives as they choose. You should go back to your law books and stay out of the Political forum!

I couldn't agree more
"American Jews should not vote based on "which party or which candidates support Israel more enthusiastically. They should vote based on more general considerations about what is best for America, the world and the values that they hold dear."

It's weird to hear this from Dershowitz, who always seemed such an "Israel-first" person.

All you Jews who care more about Israel: kindly emigrate there. Don't forget to get rid of your American citizenship on the way out.
(I'd say the same to the "Israel first" fundies, but they won't give you citizenship.)

Not loyal to whom?
Merle: "not loyal The Jews in this country that are voting against the best interest of Israel could care less because they're only interested in themselfs anyway."

Perhaps they are voting ior the best interests of the US, as they should be. That's what "loyal" Americans do.

Please don't forget to get rid of your American citizenship on your way over there.

The sky is not falling
buck: "When "Mighty Mouth" Jesse Jackson announced, in his last speech, the the ZIONISTS, ie THE JEWS, will not have the same influence in the Obama administration, should put the fear of GOD to every JEW in the world. St Barack of Obama will throw every JEW under the bus. I don't understand it. The sign is on the wall, yet, the American Jews are marching lock-step to their destruction. Talk about history repeating itself, this happened when Hitler got into power. The jews in Germany, at least most of them, voted for that monster, because anything would be better than what they had. They were whistling in the graveyard then, and they are whistling in the graveyard now."

So because the neo-cons may have less influence in government under his administration,Obama must be a Hitler? That is just plain stupid.

Where did you get the idea that most Jews in Germany voted for Hitler?

BTW, not all Jews are zionists.

Kourtenay:"...if she worked in the White House for Obama, she would ingage in "ethnic cleansing" of Isreal to relieve political unrest in that region."

Anyone who believes something like that is insane.

was iran right?
maybe the loon over there is correct when he says israel is a stinking corpse.

I beleive it is. All we get with our "ally" in israel is her enemies.

With friends like israel, who needs enemies!

To: all Anti-Semites
You can whine and complain all you want; you can deny Israel and all Jews; you can support Iran, Russia, or Palestinians. In the end, Israel will be standing when all the rest are dust, regardless of who is on which side. You're going to have to deal with it.

Obama's Friends
Obama is supported by the anti-semite Wright, Farrakkhan, Hamas. He has received a massive donation from some Palestinians. But this won't bother Jewish Democrats much. He'll probably get 75% of the Jewish vote, as opposed to the usual 80%.
As a Republican Conservative Jew, this disgusts me. It always has and it always will.

Senator Obama supports Israel
Mr. Shapiro's observations are as well-based and thought out as the persons wanting to lead the next administration who referenced lipstick on a pig and the bridge to nowhere. Substantively, we should cast a vote for president for what is in the best interests of America. Concomitantly, it is clear that Senator Obama is a a friend of Israel, not only in and of itself, but also because protecting its interests in a region of the world that we care about but which is in constant turmoil is essentially what is in the best interests for America.

Inane Argument!
Mr. Shapiro's arguments against voting for Sen. Obama are inane. I am an American and I see no reason for my country to continue to send billions of dollars to another country in the middle east for any reason. Let Israel take care of itself. Israel has taken Palestian land which it does not own and refuses to return which is the center of the disagreement with the Palestinians. Where is Mr. Shapiro's thought on this subject? Jewish religious practices and Christian religious practices have no place in law of society other than in the society who wish to be controlled by these teachings. Religious practices of others should not be forced by law upon the public. Vote: Obama/Biden!
John Copeland

to: All zionists
You are a cancer to America. Please move to your beloved israel and stop being cowards letting the American Goy fight your battles.

So much hate
Obama supporters are filled with hate, I'm so disgusted with the evil among us in this nation. I'm so tired of hearing about George Bush failed policies, and yet hear nothing about these lying, hypocritical, corrupt politicians sitting on the other side who got this country into the mess it's in now. Why can't you leftwing nuts own up to the financial tsunami your demoncrats have burdened this country with, you, your children and grandchildren will pay for what this unethical, corrupt gang has done to this country. God help us all. I pray Obama loses this election, he is pure evil. The evil George Bush doesn't have nothing on this demonic, racist, white hating, jew hating, liar.

Obama's "IF Doctrine"
THIS IS HOW OBAMA, a potential President of the Unites States, answered the question of what he would do should Iran attack Israel directly.

OBAMA: “IF we can work more effectively with other countries diplomatically to tighten sanctions on Iran,

IF we can reduce our energy consumption through alternative energy, so that Iran has less money,

IF we can impose the kinds of sanctions that, say, for example, Iran right now imports gasoline, even though it's an oil-producer, because its oil infrastructure has broken down,

IF we can prevent them from importing the gasoline that they need and the refined petroleum products, that starts changing their cost-benefit analysis. That starts putting the squeeze on them…. (Did Obama actually say, "put the squeeze on Iran?”)

Now, IT MAY NOT WORK. But one of the things we've learned is, is that when we take that approach, whether it's in North Korea or in Iran, then we have a better chance at better outcomes.”

---

THIS IS WHAT OBAMA PLANS TO DO WHEN IRAN ATTACKS ISRAEL? I call it the “Obama IF Doctrine.”

As a Jew living in Israel or America, I would not take great comfort in the "Obama IF Doctrine."

Of course, he did qualify his answer by saying “Now, it may not work.”

This doesn’t even qualify as an answer. America deserves more. Israel deserves more.

McCain can win with the economy issue!

The Economy is what most people are concerned about. McCain can win on the economy if we promote a grass roots effort that will get the country angry at the real culprits. If Republicans send out emails like I did to everyone on my email address list, then McCain could win! Elected public officials will only accept emails from their constituents.

Therefore I have access to only a few Republican politicians. If enough people who receive this email will email their friends, Republican representatives at every level from local to the president and every conservative talk show host then America will get the message.

This was the message;
------------------------------------------------
I apologize for sending this unsolicited email, but I feel every American would like to know who caused our financial collapse which is causing your 401k and your home value to sink in value. We have been betrayed, not by the obvious greed of the banks, but by our congressmen who caused this to happen.
Let’s not put the fox in charge of the hen house. Please view all six sections of the very clearly produced video at the following link.
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/10/fnc-fbn-inves- 6.html or google the phrase, telelprompter saving our economy.

See what clinton thinks!
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/10/shocking-vide- 1.html or google the phase "Teleprompter Covering Up The Fannie Mae".
------------------------------------------------
Bob Email- netc@comcast.net


Obama is too scary for words
I want to know who exactly is serving the Kool-Aid to the Obamanites! Obama has become untouchable to the liberal media, people are swallowing his words like it's chocolate, but the scary part is - nobody is listening! This man's rise is reminiscent of another man, David Duke (anybody remember that scary name?). The way he was rushed up through the ranks in the name of change. Obama needs to be scrutinized because of his lack of experience. However, any time this has been brought up - through Clinton, McCain, or Palin - Obama's campaign and the liberal media are quick to shove it under the rug. Even proof of his shady dealings and alliances has been swept so quickly under the carpet, it makes one's head spin.

And what about Steven Spielberg, Barbra Streisand, and other prominent Jewish celebs who are blindly throwing money and anti-semitic connections, friends, and alliances in America and in foreign countries? This just scares the crap out of me.

Anybody check out Howard Stern's video on YouTube called Harlem Voters? That is just too sad for words. They asked random people in Harlem who are pro-Obama, why they are voting for Obama. When they "umm" and "uhh", the interviewer asks them if it's because...(giving them McCain's political views) and they say "Yes, that's it...I'm pro-life like Obama", etc. When asked if they agree with "Obama's VP, Sarah Palin", they say, "Oh sure, she's a great choice." This is really frightening that people are not listening or paying attention. More frightening that some people are voting solely by the color of skin.

edited an entire sentence out...
"And what about Steven Spielberg, Barbra Streisand, and other prominent Jewish celebs who are blindly throwing money and anti-semitic connections, friends, and alliances in America and in foreign countries? This just scares the crap out of me. "

Was supposed to say: (don't know why it was edited out)

And what about Steven Spielberg, Barbra Streisand, and other prominent Jewish celebs who are blindly throwing money and endorsements at Obama without regard to his anti-semitic connections, friends, and alliances in America and in foreign countries? This just scares the crap out of me.
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