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Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Jolting" the Economy
by Thomas Sowell
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Barack Obama says that we have to "jolt" the economy. That certainly makes sense, if you take the media's account of the economy seriously-- but should the media be taken seriously?

Amid all the political and media hysteria, national output has declined by less than one-half of one percent. In fact, it may not have declined even that much-- or at all-- when the statistics are revised later, as they very often are.

We are not talking about the Great Depression, when output dropped by one-third and unemployment soared to 25 percent.

What we are talking about is a golden political opportunity for politicians to use the current financial crisis to fundamentally change an economy that has been successful for more than two centuries, so that politicians can henceforth micro-manage all sorts of businesses and play Robin Hood, taking from those who are not likely to vote for them and transferring part of their earnings to those who will vote for them.

For that, the politicians need lots of hype, and that is being generously supplied by the media.

Whatever the merits of trying to shore up some financial institutions, in order to prevent a major disruption of the credit flows that keep the whole economy going, what has in fact been done has been to create a huge pot of money-- hundreds of billions of dollars-- that politicians can use to give out goodies hither and yon, to whomever they please for whatever reason they please.

No doubt we could all use a few billion dollars every now and then. But the question of who actually gets it will be strictly in the hands of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It is one of the few parts of the legacy of the Bush administration that the Democrats are not likely to criticize.

Much as we may deplore partisanship in Washington, bipartisan disasters are often twice as bad as partisan disasters-- and this is a bipartisan disaster in the making.

Too many people who argue that there is a beneficial role for the government to play in the economy glide swiftly from that to the conclusion that the government will in fact confine itself to playing such a role.

In the light of history, this is a faith which passeth all understanding. Even in the case of the Great Depression of the 1930s, increasing numbers of economists and historians who have looked back at that era have concluded that, on net balance, government intervention prolonged the Great Depression.

Many of those who have, over the years, praised the fact that this was the first time that the federal government took responsibility for trying to get the country out of a depression do not ask what seems like the logical follow-up question: Did this depression therefore end faster than other depressions where the government stood by and did nothing?

The Great Depression of the 1930s was in fact the longest-lasting of all our depressions.

Government policy in the 1930s was another bipartisan disaster. Despite a myth that Herbert Hoover was a "do nothing" president, he was the first President of the United States to step in to try to put the economy back on track.

With the passing years, it has increasingly been recognized that what FDR did was largely a further extension of what Hoover had done. Where Hoover made things worse, FDR made them much worse.

Herbert Hoover did what Barack Obama is proposing to do. Hoover raised taxes on high-income people and put restrictions on international trade, in order to try to save American jobs. It didn't work then and it is not likely to work now.

Perhaps the most disastrous of all the counterproductive policies of the federal government was the National Industrial Recovery Act under FDR, which set out to do exactly what the politicians today want to do-- micro-manage businesses.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court declared that Act unconstitutional, sparing the country an even bigger disaster.

Today, it is unlikely that the courts will let anything as old-fashioned as the Constitution stand in the way of "change." In short, the economy today has some serious problems but things are not desperate, though they can be made desperate by politicians.

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One can only hope
Obama and/or his people invite Dr. Sowell to the table for economic reality discussions.

Or at least read his columns.

Great column, to the point.

The libs
really don't care if their policies work or not. All they care about is that their policies sound as if they work even if they have the opposite effect.

In the long run, we are all dead
per John Keynes. Because he was a homosexual and had no heirs, he could inflict a lot of pain to many people and generations with no concern for the future.

FDR Elected How Many Times?
Unfortunately, politics is abount convincing people. When Obama's policies do not have the hoped for results, the comeback will be "look at the disaster we inherited." Unfortunately times two, it is easy to point to many of Bush's policies, as well as McCain's demonization of oil companies, and conclude the Republicans set the stage for the Big Duping II.

Please sign 2 petitions—Obama citizen?

I know this is off topic but....

World Net Daily created a petition last week to force Barack Obama to provide an original birth certificate that he was actually born in Hawaii. His African grandmother says she was present at his birth in Kenya. If that’s true, it is illegal for him to have run for the presidency. We as U.S. citizens are required to provide our original birth certificate to get a Social Security card, a driver’s license or a passport. So he should have been required to produce the same to have run for the presidency.

Janet Folger Porter of Faith2Action has written 2 short outstanding columns about this matter, arguing America must follow the Constitution. This must be done before the Electoral College votes on December 15 to confirm Obama’s presidency.

“The Constitution Still Matters”
http://wnd.com/index.php?pageId=80710

“1 last chance to fight for our Constitution”
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81307

Also, Justice Thomas of the U.S. Supreme Court has scheduled the matter of Constitutional review of Obama's birth certificate for discussion in the Supreme Court on December 5.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

Petition #1:
http://wnd.com/index.php?pageId=81550
Article supporting this petition:
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81581

PLEASE sign this petition and call your Congressmembers. You can use the long-distance phone number that Janet Folger has given: 202-224-3121
OR
you can call Congressmembers locally

Here's a second petition website that creates instant e-mails to all your U.S. Senators and your U.S. Representative. This will take only 2 minutes of your time. You sign the petition first. Then you can instantly create the e-mails by clicking that button as well.

Petition #2:
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1 244/

What should the government do?
Someone asked Ludwig von Mises. He replied,"Nothing...sooner"

anderson659
"Obama and/or his people invite Dr. Sowell to the table for economic reality discussions."

I think they'd sooner slice his throat.

Re: The Libs
"
The libs
really don't care if their policies work or not. All they care about is that their policies sound as if they work even if they have the opposite effect."

And of course Obama's cohorts in the media will make sure that it sounds like the policies work.



Obama birth certif. fraud,says expert

"Rathergate II: Certification of Live Birth a clear forgery"
By Janet Folger Porter

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81943

Earlier articles by Janet Porter:

“The Constitution Still Matters”
http://wnd.com/index.php?pageId=80710

“1 last chance to fight for our Constitution”
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81307

This is only about the ecomony
to the extent that he who controls the ecomony controls national sovereignty.

Statism...
Brief thoughts:

Where is Calvin Coolidge when you need him? Oh, yeah, dead.

If statism were not taught as a proper approach to public government, would we even be here?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein

...and the US just elected the latter and his clones.

The power of the media
Much time and money could be saved by authorizing the media to sellect our leaders.

Are we doomed to repeat History?
From the looks of present policies we are definitely on our way.

Let's look at the facts though. Obama and his appointees cannot stop us from going over the cliff. We are too far in debt and our values and morals have already taken the dive. The only thing that can save our country now is repentence and return to God. I just don't see that happening.

It will be quite interesting to see what happens the next 4 years. Keep the faith!

Embarrassment
"should the media be taken seriously?"

Hell no, and neither should Obama.

Obama, Reid, and Polosi are the biggest trio of clowns ever assembled in a government. The US government has become nothing but a side show.




Who is Obama
"The only thing that can save our country now is repentence and return to God."

Libs think Obama is God. I always disagree with libs, I think Obama is the Devil.

It's the thirties all over again
With GW Hoover making way for Barak Roosevelt.

What we are seeing now is the failure of Fed policies that happened in the the thirties, After havng horribly managed the money supply, the Fed tried to "reflate" the economy only to find that the public had lost confidence in the financial system (in no small part because they couldn't know what the next wrong-headed government policy would be) and it didn't work.

Worse, when the Supreme Court killed FDR's initial New Deal plans, he set out to stack the Supreme Court, first by crook (an expansion plan that thankfully failed) and then by hook (in time he was able to replace the majority of the court by the end of his second term).

Santayana was right.

JOLTING the ECONOMY
We ARE WITNESSING A "COMMUNIST" OVERTHROW OF OUR economic system to be followed by a social overthrow of everything from cradle to casket, kiddies!!

The SINE QUO NON of Communism is "CONTROL." Stay tuned - - - it's gonna be a ROUGH RIDE!!

Bravo, Dr. Sowell!
Once again, Dr. Sowell shines the glaring and, to many, painful and aggravating, light of fact onto the canvas of fantasy upon which most people gaze. It is hung in the Politics Room or the Media Gallery on Obfuscation Avenue. Even at this far remove, very few indeed are bold enough to criticize King Franklin I, and his "New Deal." He is enshrined in the pantheon of liberal gods, as their Zeus, and therefore verboten, as regards reality.

Of course, the truly painful and sad fact is that society does not learn from history, because its members do not wish to think too much--which really means, beyond putting food in theri mouths, and sitting in the proper position to allow what is left to pass through. The woman who was interviewed, in California I believe, who said that she voted for Obama so that she would not have to worry about putting gas in her car, or paying medical bills, really describes 90% of the population--in any country, but particularly the Western nations.

In the U. S. we have forgotten--those of us who ever knew--what hardship really is. I myself was in New Orleans when Katrina hit, and while evacuated to Houston, lost EVERYTHING to looting and vandalism, was homeless and unemployed for a year and a half, and still am unable to have my own apartment--still in debt from prolonged unemployment, so unable to qualify for a lease here in New York City. Nonetheless, I am not asking for the government to support me. I work two jobs, and continue to write, hoping soon to get published.

My point? This country was founded and built upon individual initiative, not the "free-lunch" plan that those who vote liberal apparently seek.

Keep it coming, Dr. Sowell!

Small business
I run a small business; I've run my own (this is the 2nd) since 1992. We've never been wildly successful, but that has never been our aim: we make a living.

We've seen the Dems take stands which would have made our situation harder - (resistance to Medical Savings Accounts and the like) - should Pelosi et al have prevailed. According to her and her brethren, such quasi-insurance programs are only used by the rich. Quite the contrary: people who are NOT rich benefit most from those kinds of non-government programs, and are most inclined to use them - (if their company is financially strong enough to offer them.)

It proves, in healthcare at least, that "choice" is only used by democrats when they mean "abortion," because they really want to limit any and all choices - and to make people's choices for them.

I shudder to think of the day when government tries to force Medicare and Medicaid down our throats. I don't want to participate in a government program that pays me to provide services; I don't want their strings, which will quickly turn to chains; I want them to leave me any my business and my profession alone. We've gotten along quite well for 16 years without them.

President Elect Obama
President elect Barack Obama is a pragmatic man who knows the secret of evaluating ideas - whatever their origin- to discover what will work best, such as in solving the economic mess he is inheriting, rather than being stuck rigidly following a particular economic or political philosophy or ideology. He has assembled excellent talent to advise him on a daily basis, some 2 months before he even takes office. He is very intelligent, articulate, energetic, pragmatic and willing to listen to all sides. He is interested and capable of learning and understanding precisely what the problems actually are, which, of course, is the first step in trying to solve them. On the contrary George Bush gives the impression that he has about a ½ inch depth of understanding of the problems and is not curious or really interested or perhaps even capable of learning and understanding more. If it were up to him it seems he would prefer being back on the ranch in Crawford clearing brush. He and Paulson are just hanging on by their fingernails until Jan 20. Much to the pain of many who endlessly expound on Townhall, it looks like Barack Hussein Obama is going to be a great president.

Obama....
...NOT my President.....NOT now......NOT ever!

Obama does not...
...celebrate Christmas in the traditional American manner. Like his religiousity he kind of patters around it to make his supporters feel comfortable and his non-supporters feel almost comfortable. Just like his choice of churches...he is looking for the most votes.

ASK YOURSELF
What is money used for?
It's used to 'buy' something.
And what do politicians in Government today, want to buy? 'Votes'.
Why? Because, votes give them 'Power'.
And what do politicians do with the 'Power' they're given?
They use it to control everything and everybody, having the 'Power' to 'Change' our Country, our Constitution and our very way of life.
And they WILL.

Thank God but it worries me

Thank God, God made you Dr Sowell but it worries me so that he didn't make enough people like you.

I've been hammering this from the roof tops and what instead I see is people beginning to "turtle" because the "media" psychological bent is helping to "herd" the electorate into a numbness and sense of helplessness. The Democrat machine is still fully trying to erode and corrupt conservative principles, especially oriented at the less experienced youth.

What most are doing is attending to their own adjustments and shopping for Thanksgiving.

"Life will go on. Only God is my savior" and the election is over" are some platitudes I've heard as a substitute for real action - for opposition to Obama's ruinous plan.

And nothing has been done yet that won't already cripple us for a long time...thanks President Bush and Democrat Paulson.

I believe Bush is familiar with the term enabler.

Another excellent Sowellian summation
Those who will not learn from history are condemned to repeat it... and the more "change" oriented of my co-workers are going to get a copy of this article in their emails.

I know that two or three will read it. Even Dr. Sowell's practical approach might not be able to get through their preconceived notions, though.

Never underestimate
Politicians to spin events to their
advantage; the MSM to help them do
this; and Barack Obama's abitlity to
make things worse.

sdeakins, dsslm
Can we please TRY to keep the comments ON-topic, and not get sidetracked by the usual nonsense?

sdeakins, whether or not Obama celebrates Christmas is not only entirely irrelevant to the topic of Dr. Sowell's article, but also to the entire question of whether or not he can be a good president! dsslm, I am pretty sure everyone here is aware of the controversy regarding Obama's birth certificate, but it has nothing to do with the article. One post on that topic was bad enough; did you REALLY need to post *twice*???

Jeez, people... if we are not careful, we are going to look as unhinged over the next four years as the moonbats at DKos and HuffPo have for the last eight!

Congress should adopt part of
the Hypocratic oath, "First, do no harm!"

We should forward this column to every Senator and Congressman with that sentiment attached!

But, it is obvious that they don't care about us educated voters, there is a plethora of uneducated voters that they can fool over and over again.

refatsew
I hope you realize that everything in your post is your opinion (and your hope) and nothing more. You have no facts to back up your claims, not one shred of evidence whatsoever. So Bush knows nothing about the economy, despite the fact that it was doing just fine until the capital markets crashed, a situation that was precipitated largely from liberal policies of forcing lenders to grant loans to those who could not repay them. Yet, you know that Obama is going to be a great president. On what grounds? Certainly nothing in his background is sufficient evidence to reach this conclusion. So, he's assembled a bunch of partisan hacks and Clinton cronies in his staff? Is this evidence of "change". Nothing in Barack's background shows him to be a "pragmatic" person. Quite the contrary, much of it shows him to be extremely ideological and anti-capitalist.

True to his ideology
Dr. Sowell is holding true to conservative ideology. Let the markets work. But Sowell is wrong it was free uncontrolled markets that caused this credit disaster not as the right has spun it freddy and fannie.

Freddy and Fannie did not bring down wall street it was Wall Street who do that by created these exotic insturments called credit default swaps.

94% of all homeowners are paying their mortages on time so it was not the foreclosures that brought down the Banks.

Conservatives economists like to say that the depression was extended by FDR, that is not the view of most mainstream economists.

There is always some danger when the government meddles in the ecomony, but there is also a danger when it does not. Letting Lehman Bros fail in hindsight was an awful decision.

Of course this is like whistling in the wind for the crowd that believes global warming is a myth, that vietnam could have been won if not for Jane Fonda and the antiwar movement and Hoover the great President, FDR the disaster.

I have only one question where are the business leaders and the wall street titans? You know the people conservatives worship. Could it be that their high paid PR people have suggested that the best thing that they can do is lay low.

And where is GWB during this crisis touring South America while he contracts out running the economy to Paulison. Not that anyone would believe anything he says anyway.

Obama is right a jolt is needed.

refatsew opines:
"President elect Barack Obama is a pragmatic man who knows the secret of evaluating ideas - whatever their origin- to discover what will work best, such as in solving the economic mess he is inheriting, rather than being stuck rigidly following a particular economic or political philosophy or ideology."
-----

While you may choose to believe this - it is still mere conjecture and wishful thinking until Obama actually has to DO something for which he is accountable.

There is zero evidence in his political records to validate such a lofty opinion.

But he is good at "sounding" presidential.

JMO51, what the hell are you trying to
say in your 8:39 AM post? That is the most disjointed writing I have seen since about the third grade. Please try again. Oh, and you might try throwing in something called "indisputable information" to back up your statements.

B O is still offensive

TBC ~:>{)

JMO51 - wrong again - opines:
"But Sowell is wrong it was free uncontrolled markets that caused this credit disaster not as the right has spun it freddy and fannie."
-----

The "right" hasn't spun anything.

It was feel-good liberal policies - the "get everyone their own house" (regardless of ability to repay) pressure that put us in this mess.

You, like most leftists, are stuck on stupid.

They'll never listen to Sowell or
Williams because those gentlemen aren't interested in growing gov't and increasing power over the rest of us.
They are conservatives and patriots...this bunch are socialists at best with a few communists thrown in. Crises is gov'ts best friend whether it's a real one or a mfg'd one we lose every time and we will really be behind the 8 ball this time with obama at the helm.

This guy knows exactly what he's doing and we will not like the result.

I remember
when the NRA meant Never Roosevelt Again.
We'll probably have some new acronyms in four years - if there's anyone around to read them.

Thank you Dr. Sowell for hanging in there and reminding us what the real meaning of all this hoopla is.

"jolting"
this is a wonderful summary of where we are, how we got here, where we are going and why. Mr. Sowell is also quite right about the insidious partnership between media and the Dems as well as the Hoover myth. And what will accelerate this "change" with frightening speed is the fact that last November 4th we as a people decided to give up on divided government, whether we know it or not. Most of the electorate does not even know what "divided government" means, but we are all about to find out.

Sowell is Correct
Primus54, before you opine you should read a little. Sarbanes Oxley which was enacted on 2002 provides more regulations than businesses can stand. What cause this credit disaster was the Community Reinvestment Act and Clinton's coercion of our financial institutions, forcing the banks to give out bad loans under the politically correct name of "Minority loans".
Dr. Sowell is correct, as usual.

dsslm

Thank you for posting the petitions and articles.

I have emailed them to many people who will act.

Right ON again, Dr. Sowell
Thanks for a great article

Allowing ourselves to get sidetracked
We need to stop worrying about Obama's birth certificate (come on, do you really believe the Clinton's would've let this go if there were any truth to it?) and whether or not he celebrates Christmas, and focus on his specific policy prescriptions. Unfortunately, charges of "socialism" ring hollow when you look at what the Republicans have been doing in response to this "crisis". The difference is only by degrees.

It wasn't unfettered capitalism that brought us to this point. The structure of the financial markets was created by a regulatory structure. The subprime loans were encouraged by the government (by both Republicans AND Democrats), and the credit default swaps were created as an instrument to deal with this government-encouraged risk.

Those "titans" of Wall Street and business "leaders" did what most do: lobby the government for more special favors and access to our paychecks. Typical.

Instead of all these government bailouts, we should encourage economic growth. How about an Executive Order indexing capital gains to inflation? Do that and overhaul our tax system to encourage growth and we'd see private capital flowing into the markets. Alas, nobody is advocating a free market approach.

more money down the crapper
Hey,O just wipe our butts with all this jump start money and throw it down the toilet---still another tried and failed policy by Parse and Nuance,you know the publicity firm that elected this Jr. Senator know nothing.How's that third term of Clinton for Change---how's that cabinet looking, O's Hope-ing(purposely misspelled)that at least one of his(handler's)picks are Wright(sarcasm)

Grapes of Wrath
Obama's 2 year economic recovery plan seems to reprise the Great Depression era's "Works Projects Administration" and the "National Recovery Act". At least we can expect lots of new public buildings, bridges and water reclamation projects, etc.

And perhaps a sprinkling of ramshackle "Obamavilles" for the disposessed and displaced?

Refatsew
You win the prize for the most fawning, sycophantic tribute to the Divine Redeemer that I have had the distinct displeasure of reading.

You say "President elect Barack Obama is a pragmatic man who knows the secret of evaluating ideas - whatever their origin- to discover what will work best."

Can you provide a single example for this (or any) of your fanciful assertions?

From your knees you proclaim "He has assembled excellent talent to advise him on a daily basis, some 2 months before he even takes office."

With the sound economic advice of stellar governor Jenny Granholm and clowns like Franklin Raines, how can he go wrong?

You slobber "Much to the pain of many who endlessly expound on Townhall, it looks like Barack Hussein Obama is going to be a great president."

More idolatry based not on any evidence but on blind faith.

I love how those who fancy themselves smarter than everyone else turn into a bunch of starstruck schoolgirls at a Jonas brothers concert at the very mention of Obama's name.

Opinion.
Popular counter opinion is that it was World War II that really got us out of the depression. What is a war other than a massive expenditure of money (discounting the evil, pain, and destruction)?

Once Again
Great Article, Dr. Sowell.
I have an old history book written in 1933,revised in 1938, "America" It's history and people, by Faulkner & Kepner.

Here is an excerpt concerning paying for the Revolutionary War.
Financing the War.
One of the most difficult problems of the war was that of financing it.
Although the cost to the Continental Congress and the states was not much over
$100,000,000 measured in gold, even this small amount was difficult to obtain.
Congress had no power of taxation and the states made use of it very
reluctantly, for the people were hardly more favorable to domestic than they
had been to British taxation. As a result, both the states and Congress
resorted to the issuing of paper money, a practice which had been forbidden in
earlier years by Parliament. Congress issued over $241,000,000, and 11 states
over $290,000,000. This paper money, with no adequate backing, speedily
depreciated, until "not worth a Continental" became a synonym for
worthlessness. Nevertheless it passed at first and was the most important
single item in paying for the war. Supplies were obtained by forced
requisitions, by domestic loans, by contributions from the states, and by
gifts and loans from abroad; but the problem taxed to the utmost the ingenuity
of Congress and its financial committees headed by the "financier of the
Revolution," Robert Morris.

Sounds familiar, Don't you think?
Keep up the good work, Dr Sowell.
Thanks much
Jim

Reply to refatsew
Mr. Swoell, you are right on as usual.
refatsew, you and your left wing ilk are full of crap as usual.

re: rdk
There are plenty of economists who don't believe that the war got us out, or that the New Deal was actually a truly Keynesian expansion of government, but that gets a bit esoteric and dry.

Let's assume the premise for a second and say that it WAS WW2 that got us out of the Depression. One reason war socialism *can* work is that people are willing to accept more sacrifice and almost put their human nature on hold for a time. During peacetime, people aren't going to accept rationed sugar, coffee, chocolate, etc., but during a war it is more palatable.

When you mobilize your entire industrial complex towards a military, you can get things moving again. Other things get ignored, but that can happen in the short run. It's the long term that suffers. Thankfully, WW2 only lasted (for us) 4 years, so we were able to get out of the war socialism fairly quickly, before the strains against human nature became an issue.

Common sense says
that President Elect Obama will do what ever is political expedient. He has already done that with his appointments. He is nothing more than a smoother Bill Clinton. We need to change Congress in 2 years. The media will find out that his socialistic policies won't work. But as Rush say "Obama is too big to fail", so they won't report. Our only hope for a stable government to replace Nancy Pelosi next time she is up for election. Tom Daschel lost his seat. She can also be defeated. Then Harry Reid. Let's quit blaming Obama and start concentrating on getting rid of the ultra liberals in congress. The rest will take care of itself. Obama has not shown that he has a strong set of values so we need not be too concerned that he will stick to his guns. Change congress and he will do what ever he needs to do to try to get re-elected.

Thomas Sowell
writes, "Hoover raised taxes on high-income people and put restrictions on international trade, in order to try to save American jobs. It didn't work then and it is not likely to work now."

Nuther outstanding column Mr. Sowell. Regarding this statement, how will the vastly more interconnectedness of economies globally amplify the effects from trade protectionism now vs. then. How much easier is it today to move jobs, manufacturing, or entire companies to places more conducive to business. Aside from the damage Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are capable of, there is a fairly large Buchanan wing of so called conservatives that would cheer on all that protectionist nonsense.

We the People
We the people no longer control our destiny. The media and the liberals do.
Voting has become a farce because more than 50% of the electorate are uneducated, ignorant and uninformed thanks to our federal government controlled schools and unions. They want big government and that's whats coming.

You are the media
"but should the media be taken seriously?"

two answers

1. YES, because Tthe homas Sowell column is part of "the media"
2. NO, because Thomas Sowell column is part of "the media"

Is this not a referendum on Thomas Sowell and not the transparency of the media?

Hero worship has served the U.S. badly over the last 30 or 40 years. Our democracy was founded as a secular government to escape the European system of kings and locked-in and concentrated family wealth and opportunity. The belief that there are some people who are the exception to checks and balances of a larger democratic population takes the U.S. backward and in the wrong direction.

To reverse that in a free market system, I hope the radicals on both the right and the left go out of business and have to find a real job other than stirring up s**t. The sh**-stirring industry needs to start massive layoffs.

Then, the pharmaceutical advertising industry can pare way back---but I'm getting off topic with that rant.

Jolt
Hitler gave Germany a jolt. So did Stalin in the USSR. When do the minions ever stop selecting someone for their oratory skills and judge them on their past deeds? Our founding fathers designed a republic for the specific purpose of not letting idiots select a president. Now those idiots are at the mercy of Obama, Pelosi, and Reed. Whoas them. Whoas me.

One half of one percent
The media and Democrats have been screaming recession and doom and gloom to set up the acendancy of the annointed one, Barack Obama. They have tried their best to make our economy look as if it is in ruin. And, even after all of their market manipulation and unheralded propaganda, they finally panicked the public to cut back spending and the economy shrunk ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT in the third quarter. Wow!
I going to drive over to Sam's Club right now, where the parking lot is full of cars, and tell those people to quit shopping because don't they know we are in recession?! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Mr. Sowell is right. Politicians have created a ficticious doomsday scenario in an attempt to gain more control over the free market and our money. They have frightened the public to the point that they will have public support to take action, bail out companies, spend more money, take more control. In the politicians mind they hear, "Oh! Please save us great politicians. Please give us more government!" And, they are happy to oblige....themselves.

dsslm
What difference does it make if Obama was born in Kenya or Timbuktu or Hawaii or Kansas? His mother was a U.S. citizen. John McCain was born in Panama to U.S. citizens and no one (other than the NY Slimes) questioned his qualification to run for president.

Jolting
"...if you take the media's account of the economy seriously-- but should the media be taken seriously?"

I often ask people if what they do has ever been depicted on TV, in the movies or on the news and if they got it even close to right. The answer, so far, has always been, "No!" Therefore, I say, "Why would you expect them to get it right about anything else?"

seriously
Is Mr. Sowell actually trying to say that the Economy is NOT as bad as reported? Get real If i turned off my T.V's I would know that the economy is suffering. this is the thinking that caused Mccain his Presidency. Time for Republicans to stop blaming the media for everything in get back to reality, or their will never be another Republican president.

Jolting the Economy
I agree with Thomas Sowell. The media cannot be trusted as being credible on issues of the economy. This is the same media that served up John McCain and Barrack Hussein Obama as their candidates of choice, with BHO being their #1 goal in this 2008 presidential (s)election.

What we need to do is jolt the media with a boycott of them. They lie, but we still buy… I don't get it.

informed voter
You're always off topic and you always rant besides that, your name is inaccurate.

Hard times?
The Chicago SunTimes,an agent of the Democratic party,started a small feature column called "Hard Times".They would interview a subject and hear how they were dealing with the economy.This was before the stock market tanked and was clearly an attempt to sway peoples' opinion of the Bush Admin.I am sure they were looking for "Grapes of Wrath" type stories that Pete Seeger could write a song about.
One of the first "Hard Times" featured a woman who was cutting back on manicures for her dog. (I kid you not)Another, a lady says that she is only buying steak and lamb when it is on sale.Hardly worthy of a new "New Deal"

Unions!
I say give those companies that left because of the unions the incentives to return. Obama says tax those that left. Common sence is bring them back.
Craig

seriously
The reality is that the media has been and continues to be a MAJOR cause of the downturn in the economy. What this country desparately needs is a Grass Roots effort to hold the media, the political power brokers, and yes, greedy business execs CRIMINALLY responsible for what they've done what they're continuing to do to the very fiber of the economy and the well-being of this country.

Do the media bear fault?
In Dr. Sowell's introduction, he questions whether the media are painting a fair and true picture of the current situation. Media hype and constant flogging of an issue serves to emphazie and exaggerate it. In this case, they have caused a great deal of the fear factor, with the ensuing economic consequences of people paring back spending, causing more negative consequences.

At some point we each have to evaluate our own circumstances and live within our means. We need less emotional reaction and more thoughful action.

"Jolting" the Economy
If this whole economic "crisis" is not a conspiracy it sure comes close. It's beginning to look like an advance taxing scheme that will extend our already obscene National debt and enslave us all.

Wrote this over a month ago: WAY too much hysteria out there! I say no bailout. The whole mess was brought on by a sort of a financial Ponzi scheme that due to its complexity will take time to unravel fully, if there’s a will to do so. Throwing money at it is not the prudent or sane thing to do! Wall Street, once more, got way too greedy. Another words these weasels played a complex shell game and they themselves lost track of the pea that was whipping back and forth between the walnut shells. Government was right in there making things worst with misguided legislation and lax regulation enforcement. My view is government has been the enabler of this crisis but the actual do-ers of the dirty deeds and the unbridled greed is the financial industry. Those are the vey same criminals (enabling government types, like Franks and Dodd, included) who are trying to "rescue" the economy from tanking with taxpayers’ money. Hello!?! What kinds of idiots do they think we are?


"Jolting" the Economy
Systemic problems require a lot of work to ferret all processes that led to the crisis and blindly throwing money at the nincompoops that created this mess in the first place, primarily the financial industry with collusion of government, is plain lunacy.
Questions, rhetorical questions: Will the taxpayer, who is being saddled so far with a trillion dollar bailout, ever get reimbursed? If so, how? The way I understand it so far is that money is being showered on these greedy incompetents/crooks on Wall Street with little assurance that we’ll recoup anything. Even if moneys will be repaid, it will be to the U.S. Treasury and, to my knowledge, no provisions in the bailout legislation addresses how the moneys returned to the treasury will be repatriated back to the taxpayer. What I strongly suspect will happen is that if by a miracle any moneys flows back into government coffers the temptation by the politico thieves will be to use the moneys to fund their programs or as a sludge fund to bail out some other government caused disaster without any of it ever returned to the originator, the taxpayer. I feel the shackles being clapped on my ankles and wrists already!

Double Whammy
Obama's plan to, as Dr. Sowell states, “raise taxes on high-income people and put restrictions on international trade" would be the very act that will send a struggling economy into the abyss.

The very fabric of our economy at this point is strongly tethered to those nations with whom we trade and who are essential suppliers of materials and components for those products that in fact are still manufactured in the United States. Introduction of trade restrictions will seriously impact that fragile balance and the cost of doing business.

Further, "taxing" the rich will both slow hiring and increase the probability of layoffs in those very industries. No one will benefit from this ridiculous strategy and it will bring change no one can live with.

Is this real?
I am starting to wonder just how "real" this credit problem is. I get at least 3 pre approved credit card applications a week. I stopped in a couple of local banks and asked them how hard it would be to get a loan or mortgage. No problem they say as long as you have a decent credit rating. I bank at a large commercial bank same answer. Bottom line we are being asked to bail out poor performance and enrich a bunch of CEO's (and pol's probably). I say Caveat emptor you made a bad investment its your problem.

O you only have
to look at our presidential candidates both parties to see how stupid we really are. One is worse than the other. We may have a real mess if Obama cant come up with proof of citizenship. Guess we find out on December 5th. My question would be how can you even get on the ballot if you arent?

Carol
"What difference does it make if Obama was born in Kenya or Timbuktu or Hawaii or Kansas?"

The difference is his eligibility to be president of the US. Are you Obama pukes so arrogant and elitist that you feel Obama is above the law? This fawning and worship makes your cult following and Obama very dangerous for this nation. You want to pick and choose what laws should apply to conveiently suit yourselfs.

Real tradgedy
There is no reason to believe what one reads in the news these days. That was proven in this last election, especially the MSM like NBC,MSNBC,ABC,CBS,CNN, NYTimes, Washington Post,Boston Globe,LATimes etc. They no longer involve themselves in serious issues like making sure we have an informed citizenry. One has to look in many areas to come up with an informed view these days. Everything is sensationalism, even if incorrect (they can correct it later on page 30). It is too bad mostly for us, the people, unfortunately.

mrjonessr
"Time for Republicans to stop blaming the media for everything in get back to reality, or their will never be another Republican president."

I disagree. I think it is time for the media to get out of the business of their pathetic attempts to report on politics. Obama will be the best opportunity for the Republicans to win the presidency in 2012 if they distance themselves from Obama right off the bat and voters ignore the Obama lamestream media and think for themselves.

If only they would listen
Unfortuantely it is all about power, and the power grabbers see an opportunity to grab more power right now than in many years.

Economic remedy?
The Democrats are not interested in economic recovery. They are interested in power and the keeping of power. Their populism/Marxism is their tool for gathering votes from the uneducated. The educated people who blindly believe in Marxism are only useful idiots. Mr. Sowell understands.

OBAMA'S NEW NEW DEAL

.....In 1932 when FDR was elected, the Federal Budget was balanced and there was no National Debt ...after a Great Depression that lasted for 12 years and a leftist turn toward Socialism we now have one half of the Country supporting the other half and a debt approaching 7 trillon ...sounds like a RAW DEAL to me .....COLOSSUS

Digging deeper
I think that in their heart of hearts, liberals know that their policies just don't add up. But they have a problem. When strong economic policies are in place and working there is still an element of society that does not make hay. They do not produce and they act helpless. But they have children. Now they have helpless and innocent children that are living in poverty.

So, in spite of broader sound economic policy not working, they can't stand to see this "element" go hungry and without medical care--so to them it becomes an overriding priority to provide for these people that won't provide for themselves. So, sound economic policy takes a back seat.

Very short sighted. Hard to take when you are working hard and watching your standard of living decrease because libs don't know about "tough love."

Propagandists
The dim left is all about the subverting the mindless to a life of subservience by outvoting the alerted. If you so-called liberals and independents have an ounce of sense and get over your Bush derangement you will join us in fighting the massive socialistic boondoggle. Why conservatives can't announce an alternative other than let it all fail I do not understand

Everyone has an Answer..
Thomas, since you are sooooooo aware of what's really going on in the world, I would expect to see YOUR name on the next running for president, ... The American people have spoken (And also the Electorial College). Just like they did when they put BUSH into OFfice; TWICE!

correction
"So, in spite of broader sound economic policy not working"

should day: "So, in spite of broader sound economic policy working..."

Sorry about that.

The Adults Are Locked Out
If Pres. Bush had simply announced we'll do nothing except enforce any laws that were broken, let the Fed do its job w/ the currency, & honor any commitments by Federally owned entities (e.g. Freddie & Fannie) taken in good faith, we might be pulling back out of this now. Also, heh heh, he could have challenged the Demmie Congress to hold open hearings, maybe appoint a SP, to find out who & what caused the mess!

It would help if there hadn't been an election going on; it exacerbated the "do something, anything" syndrome that plagues Congress & the POTUS anyway. They panicked big time. Now we basically have almost all the adults locked out for 2 - 4 yrs.

The election has sent exactly the wrong message to investors & entrepreneurs that anything they do will be confiscated or goofed around; the collectivists, gimmes, & meddlers have near-free rein. We're looking at 4 yrs of minimum growth due to bad political climate.

Possible eventual upsides: conservatives in 2010 & 2012, a lesson in the futility in gvmt meddling, "bailouts," fancy monetary policy instead of common sense, not to mention a chance to discredit the Race Racket's dogma that disparities of outcome = discrimination.

refatsew, you had me going there! Thought you might be Loyal Democrat posting incognito! I was saying "ha ha yeah, tell it, bro - uh, waiddaminnit, he MEANS this?!"

Very Well Put!
You are my "Hero"!
Thanks for this analogy.
Would be nice if more common sense
was used in fixing this
financial mess!
Every report is not a knee-jerk jolting
report.

Power breds corruption
Lord Acton, in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887 who said, “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” He was right as we’ve seen time and time again how easily American politicians fall to its prey. I don’t think this statement could ever be more dead on then the circumstances Americans find their selves in now with our Congress now and coming in January. Both parties fall prey to it as corruption overrides logic and doing what’s right. Someone who has craved power and total control over others will always make the wrong choices, because the choices are no longer about those who they want to control, it’s about holding and retaining their power.

Our politicians need to learn “Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.” Another quote from the knowledgeable Lord Acton. Until our politicians learn that lesson, they will eventually fall prey to power and corruption.

“The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use - of how to get men of power to live for the public rather than off the public.” Is a quote from one of the Democrats holy leaders, Robert F. Kennedy, it a shame they no longer listen or believe it.

I have no doubt that leaders like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and especially Barack Obama will become more corrupt with their newfound power the American public gave them. 62 million voters are unaware of their absolute craving for power and total control, while 58 million are fully aware.

Dr. Sowell
Thank you for a pithy and enlightening analysis of the issue. What a pleasure it is to read your columns.

A great Thanksgiving Day to you and your family and friends.

Milt #77
Milt, what exactly is your point?

wasn't FDR supposed to be great?
FDR is regarded as one of the best presidents in US history. It turns out that he was probably the biggest idiot. Worse than that, he was the biggest idiot with the biggest ego.

Does anyone really believe that any politician has the smarts and the will to do the right thing?

If they did, they would be in the private sector applying their talent to the betterment of society and the economy.

The fact that they are politicians tells you something. They have neither the talent nor the skill to make it in the real world.

The best we can hope for is to elect a humble man who admits that he doesn't have all of the answers and is committed to not screwing it up.

Bush is screwing it up and Obama is prepared to finish the job.


Leftists Never Get It Correct
The continuing mantra that deregulation has caused our financial meltdown promoted by the left is mostly wrong. Their position that the GOP was responsible for all deregualtion is totally wrong. Note the following from a REAL expert: "The illusion that Freddie and Fannie were doing virtuous work made it impossible to build a political case for serious regulation. When there were social failures the companies always blamed their need to perform for the shareholders. When there were business failures it was the result of their social obligations (promoting home ownership among the poor, unqualified borrower). Government budget discipline was not appropriate because it was emphasized they were "private companies". Little wonder with gains privatized and losses socialized that the enterprises have gambled their way into financial catastrophe." Larry Summers, Obama's Chief economic Advisor. Judged by this statement it appears Obama may get get some reasoned advice.

The subprime mortgage fiasco has been the catylyst for the current meltdown in the financial markets and is as much a political issue than an economic issue. Focusing on deregulation misses the point. There is a great deal of regulation, much of it harmful;i.e. think of the business destroying regulation adopted following Enron.

We have a true Three Dimensional Economic Problem, FIRST a crisis in the mortgage market, fostered by an avalanche of bad loans, SECOND a panicy response by banks causing a freezing-up of most credit, and, THIRD, finally a corresponding freeze in consumer spending, driven mostly by emotion resulting from negative media propaganda. Collapsing demand has finally severely damaged the real economy resulting in business closures and layoffs.

Can you leftists tell me just how will increased regulation and government involvement fix these three dimensions? I know, just send money - that fixes everything!

Every time Obama
makes one of his grandiose statements in front of a mic it is sickening.

Remember, this is a highly paid professional who maxed out his own credit cards and got rejected at a vendor only about 6 years ago.

Sorry, but he looks like the empty headed stupid politician more and more with each appearance, but with his army of ivy league spoiled do nothings right next to him.

Various
This market correction would have been no worse than the Dot Com bubble collapse, had it happened while a Democrat was Pres. The MSM is creating terror, and the terror is driving this collapse. And politicians feed on terror.

Banks being forced to make bad loans behind this market correction? Probably. It's probably not the loans being made to the poor folk though, but the loosening of qualifications. Banks cannot say, "Oh, we just make these special loans to minorities and your skin is not dark enough", but have to offer the same standards to everyone, and that includes foolish people who know enough to really screw up big time. Poor folk don't know enough to shoot both feet off like the middle class borrowers have.

Refat, this part, considered narrowly, is correct:

"President elect Barack Obama is a pragmatic man who knows the secret of evaluating ideas - whatever their origin- to discover what will work best,..."

The rest is foolishness. You suggest he is aiming toward an end we wish to see. He is not. He is aiming for power and status for himself and his friends. Our concerns are not his. Our concerns are contrary to his goals.

I don't know
why anyone is surprised....I have as yet to see too many politicians that know squat about economics let alone anyone in the media.

What you see right now is a bunch of politicians playing on the ignorance of the people and simply covering their backside due to bad policy.

CYA is the name of the game.

Any validity to this?
Is everyone feeding at the trough except regular tax-paying citizens?
Snopes is vauge on this. Also I no longer trust them. They deleted previous information on Obama due to his champaign request.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/americansamoa.asp


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's home district includes San Francisco .
Star-Kist Tuna's headquarters are in San Francisco , Pelosi's home district.

Star-Kist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan workforce.
Paul Pelosi, Nancy 's husband, owns $17 million dollars of Star-Kist stock.

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted

From the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than their competition's.

Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an 'economic development credit in American Samoa'.

Pelosi has called the Bush Administration “CORRUPT”

How do you spell “HYPOCRISY”.

If you know fine if not I will get to the bottom of this.


Lolo Dahlink! Your comments
to Dr. Sowell's column are right on the money. When the 62+M who voted for "change" and "hope" get splattered with the crap that the "Troika" is going to dump on us. the moaning and crying will almost be unbearable. CYA won't solve anything.

Hepp us Jon Cary! CYA won't work this time

I don't know either -- which economists?
"Even in the case of the Great Depression of the 1930s, increasing numbers of economists and historians who have looked back at that era have concluded that, on net balance, government intervention prolonged the Great Depression."

It would be nice to know who these "economists and historians" are. Sowell can be a bit sloppy when it comes to citing his sources.

Kylie in FL
You are absolutely correct about the American Samoa - Pelosi connection. I had read about that quite sometime back.

The corruption in Washington has the best write up in the book, The Big Ripoff by Timothy Carney. Everyone should read that book, and also Outrage & Fleeced by Dick Morris.

Refreshing!
To henry, I truly appreciate to find that someone else knows the name Ludwig von Mises. Thanks for injecting him here.

JOLT and BLOW AWAY!!
Michigans boyish looking Gov Jennifer Granhmole promised Michiganders 6 years ago that she would "BLOW AWAY" Michigan with proper time. Finally a truthful Dem. Oh yeah, Jenny's been tabbed to give Obama economic advice. Hhahahaahhahahahahahahahahah!!! PRICELESS!!!

If
this economic crisis was caused by lending money to irresponsible borrows (which I think is true) how do you let these same people borrow more money? The US is so far in debt that the time to pay has finally hit home. I think we are in this for a long term.

The Weekly Hit from my blog.
Here is my song from 9 April. It still works....if you bother to look over the past year or so, I think you will see a trend. (from Beatles' Revolution)

I say we need a revolution
Well, you know
It is time to change the pols
They say they back the Constitution
Well, you know
I'm not sure that graft's the goal
But when you talk about why I doubt
Here they come with another big bail-out
Don't you know it's gonna be a sight
A sight, a Sight!

They say they've got a real solution
Well, you know
They're just bound to raise the tax
They ask us for a contribution
Well, you know
We are trumped by all the PACs
But when you want money for people who failed to plan
All I can tell you is Brother, don't give a damn.
Don't you know it's gonna be a blight
A blight, A Blight!
Ah.

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah....

I say follow the Constituion
Well, you know
They all want to take our wealth
They should be in an institution
Well, you know
Now they want to subsidize your health
But if they continue to spend all our hard-earned dough
There won't be an engine in USA anymore
Don't you know I wish we could just indict
Indict, indict
Indict (X6)

dick

"I don't know either -- which economists?
"Even in the case of the Great Depression of the 1930s, increasing numbers of economists and historians who have looked back at that era have concluded that, on net balance, government intervention prolonged the Great Depression."

It would be nice to know who these "economists and historians" are. Sowell can be a bit sloppy when it comes to citing his sources."

If you can't keep up and pay attention then don't comment. Amity Shales for one wrote a book on the subject called "The Forgotten Man" as well as numerous other economists have written papers on it. Two from the school of economics at UCLA last week put out a paper on it as well.

Google the subject and see how many hits you get.

Here's a little cheery tune.
From the children's song B-I-N-G-O.

1)
There's a candidate who made a gaffe
And B.O. is his name-oh
We Don't Like B. O.
We Don't Like B. O.
We Don't Like B. O.
And B. O. is his name-oh.

2)
There's a candidate, a real Bozo
And B.O. is his name-oh
(clap) Don't Like B. O.
(clap) Don't Like B. O.
(clap) Don't Like B. O.
And B. O. is his name-oh.

3)
He's an appeaser and that's true
It stinks just like B. O. -oh.
(clap, clap) Like B. O.
(clap, clap) Like B. O.
(clap, clap) Like B. O.
It stinks just like B. O.-oh!

4)
He says we don't need God or Guns
'Cause Hope will overcome-oh
(clap, clap, clap) B. O.
(clap, clap, clap) B. O.
(clap, clap, clap) B. O.
'Cause Hope will overcome-oh.

5)
When he is oval office-bound
We, in despair will say- OH!
(Clap, clap, clap, clap) OH!
(Clap, clap, clap, clap) OH!
(Clap, clap, clap, clap) OH!
We didn't want that B. O.!

Rothbard
There is a book written by Murray N. Rothbard,
who was a professor of economics, titled " The Great Depression" that explains causes and cures
for the depression of the 1930's.
From reading portions of this book I have reached the conclusion that we are going down the same road and it will have the same results.

http://www.mises.org/article

To read an introduction of this book.

Myths of the Great Depression
As the child of parents who were old enough to remember the Great Depression (Mom and Dad were born in 1916 and 1925 respectively), I find myself gratified to read that so many economists today are saying what my mother said to me 35 years ago when I was in high school and studying US history: contrary to popular myth, rather than getting the US out of the depression, FDR's policies prolonged it and made it worse. Mom made clear to me that she didn't share the idol-worship of Roosevelt that had been expressed by so much of the population and the news media. Although she had been, up to that point, a lifelong Democrat, she was also a very smart, educated woman (Simmons College, Boston, 1953), and she knew her economics. She also had a great deal of common sense.
I wish she were still around today to share her wisdom with some of the idiots who think that Obama and the current Democrat Congress will be able to spend and regulate their way out of the current fiscal mess. It's not that bad yet, but it could be, and it will be if the incoming regime gets its way, not because Mom's not around anymore, but because even if she were, they wouldn't listen.

To Lolo1
You said in your reply that you didn't know one politician who understands Economics.

Ron Paul of Texas understands Economics, from the Austrian/Free Markets school. He is now and has been the foremost advocate for America returning to the Gold Standard.

Getting fitted for a straightjacket
The politcians have decided to use the "Emperor's new clothes" as their model with which to fit the people of the country.

Ron Paul
Ron Paul not only advocates returning to the gold standard, but also abolishing the Federal Reserve.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002b.htm

JMO51 hasn't done his homework
Unfortunately, JMO51, you haven't done your homework. The Credit Default Swaps didn't cause this financial crisis. They only magnified the real problem, which was the mortgage industry. CDS's were basically insurance policies or "bets" against the mortgage industry.

Smart investors saw the collapse coming and bought Credit Default Swaps, essentially betting the housing industry would collapse. When it did, they made money--tons of it. Many banks who sold the CDS's did not have enough money to back them all up. So the financial institutions were hit with a double-whammy. They lost money on the securities derived from the home loans, and they lost money on the Credit Default Swaps and derivatives where smart people were betting against the mortgage industry.

So in one respect, you're right. There should be regulations to prevent financial institutions selling what amounts to an insurance policy when they don't have sufficient funds to back it up. And they probably shouldn't be allowed to buy an insurance policy against a security they don't own.

But don't be fooled by the liberals who are trying to shift blame on what caused the financial crisis. The blame goes to the politicians who were telling the mortage industry, back in the 1990's, who they had to lend money to and under what conditions. Government interference caused this. Period.


great depression made worse by gov't
Which economist claims that, you ask? How about the great MILTON FRIEDMAN. Read any of his books, in several of them he states (and explains why) gov't intervention made the situation worse, not better.


The Hope of Audacity
On January 20, 2009, we will have a social worker as President of the United States. A man that has not run so much as a Dairy Queen and has zero military experience.

The average total tax burden in this country is 40%. This means if you work Monday - Friday, you work Monday and Tuesday ENTIRELY for the government. If a husband and wife, both working, one making 60,000/yr and the other making 40,000/yr. The ENTIRE salary of the one making 40,000/yr goes to the government.

When all of the rich people move their assets overseas, as a result of having the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world, what are we going to do then America?

Have you ever gotten a job from a poor person?



FDR prolonged the Great Dep. by
FDR prolonged the Depression by
1) depressing wages with make-work programs like the now idolized CCC and WPA that paid ½ *going* wages and over-supported unions (a la the Wagner Act) that restricted hiring;
2) taxing corporations and the *rich* that responded by raising prices or not hiring or moving their money someplace else, a *rich* option high taxers never consider;
3) supporting trade restrictions and protectionism, although now all lib. ecs. recognize Smoot-Hawley and high tariffs as a cause of the Dep.;
4) AND, gov’t fiddling with bank regs. and the price of gold almost daily so that banks and financials had no confidence in the worth of their own funds.

When FDR took office, the US had NO debt and NO deficit. Now, we have a $13 trillion debt and $39 trillion unfunded Soc. Sec. liability.
Great Brit. and Germ are in recession because they tolerate 10-15% unemployment regularly and are lucky to have a GNP of 2%. As they are always a hair’s breadth above recession normally, slipping into true recession is not hard to do.

Am. STILL has nearly real 0 inflation and 0 interest, even with unemployment having moved up to 6%, which is no where near desperate straights.
Under Carter, we had RECESSION: 12-15% inflation, 18% interest, nearly 10% unemployment (was 10% in NJ), and a stock market stymied at 750. Everyone wondered if it would ever hit 1000.




MESSAGE FROM THE FRONT
Don’t even waste your time on these liberal commentators. They’re only here to troll and bait you into an argument. They know this is a conservative web site; they’re not here to open their minds or expand their horizons. If I wanted to hear liberal dribble I could:
1) Watch network news
2) Read a newspaper
3) Watch a movie
4) Watch a TV sitcom
5) Talk to a Hollywood actor or actress
6) Talk to a recording artist
7) Talk to a public school teacher
8) Talk to a university faculty member
9) Talk to a public school student (grades k-12 brain washed by teachers)
10) Talk to a college student (brain washed by faculty)
11) Wait for Thanksgiving dinner with my family
http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com

An Article
in the USA today noted that Gordon Brown the PM of Great Britain plans to raise an income tax rate for the first time in three decades. By 2011 those people earning more than $224,000 would pay a 45% up from 40%. Perhaps we'll get a better look at what will happen when Obama decides to let the Bush tax hikes expire.

"The Great Contraction"
"The Great Contraction" by Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz is probably the seminal work on the topic, although a number of other economists have done followup research that broadly confirms Friedman's and Schwartz's analyses and conclusions.

Limited Government
"That government is best which governs least."

The clowns in Washington (a.k.a. Democrats and Republicans-In-Name-Only) are about as capable of actively helping the economy as a bull in a China shop.

Partisanship is a GOOD thing when it's Conservative principles being followed. Anything less causes damage.

***
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conserva tive-leadership.html

OBAMA HAND IN THE UNION
OBAMA ELIMINATE ALL UNION CONTRACTS WITH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. DEVELOPE A SCALE IT WILL GIVE CONGRESS A TASK WITHOUT ROBBING THE COUNTRY. LET IT INCLUDE ALL FORMS OF PETITIONS INCLUDING CONGRESS, AND ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT
THIS WOULD SAVE BY NO LONGER PAYING CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS OF THE UNIONS.

Should the media be taken seriuosly?
Greetings Mr. Showell,
Well this time you have said a mouthful and I think you are absolutely correct with your question, therefore I will give you the answer.

The media should be taken with a grain of salt or shall I say wisdom. You all remember wisdom it is the elementary thing. I must consider that most of you guys (media) make your meal tickets or money off keeping things going. Most cases much of the media probably could careless if they report the truth or not except for liable suits that somewhat maintain some type of order.

Yet in wisdom as in what I have learned from experience I shall continue to trust as few of you as I can and put my trust in NOT Bruce almighty but God Almighty.

Thank you.
C.Lewis R.

Thomas Sowell's column
Happy Thanksgiving Day to Dr. Sowell and his family, he is one thing we can be truely gratful for.

I couldn't agree more with the analysis of Sowell. The MSM feeds off these induced panics, and no one is safe from the fallout.

This was evident in the election of Bill Clinton in 1992, why the economy was the worst...blah, blah, blah. The unfortunate part of the equation is the consequences we all pay for the media's biased reporting of the issues.

Whatever the Presedent elect does will be hailed as brilliant and innovative, when it is really the same TIRED policies that are always favored by the left.

America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

example: Bogus Selective Service System FOIA Registration?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_d id_n.html

It's a shame--
that Dr. Sowell is not the head of our economic policies instead of that buffoon paulson. Maybe peso george can get him (paulson) a job in mexico when January comes, and he can take peso george and wacky baracky with him, and yes, nan and wimp reid. Holy Corruption, what a team!! OK, let's include babbling biden too.

Happy Thanksgiving to all
Dr. Sowell, you are the best.

Except for the trolls--and I can't imagine why they are still here--they won--they can go back into their tunnels and warrens and celebrate in troll fashion--it's good read Anne and Retired Geek and the original Vic and all you good people fighting the good fight and seeing the world as it is and not as some imaginery economic model or academic pipedream construes it.

Enjoy the beginning of the holdiay season and an early Merry Christmas, just to insult those who hate Christmas.

Fear Of Free Markets and Taxing The Rich
The fear of a free market outcome is so great that intervention seems reasonable, but it always makes things worse.

Economists as a rule do not understand incentives. Taxing the rich, the biggest beneficiaries of big governent, would have the effect of reducing the size of government. The benefit from smaller government would outweigh any disincentives a tax increase would have.






Mr. Sowell
Thanks again for putting things into perspective. No matter what Obama does he will be reinforced by the liberal media. This is a given. What is really troubling is how others in the new media will be dealt with. Read this... http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-crackdow n-has-started/

James at 9:00 pm 11/25/08
You wrote: Taxing the rich, the biggest beneficiaries of big governent, would have the effect of reducing the size of government.
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You have that wrong--taking more money from the "rich" gives the gov't more money, allowing it to grow. The gov't may or may not benefit the rich, depending on the intent (fascist or communist, totalitarian or libertarian) of the gov't.

Your statement about economists not understanding incentives is a head-shaker. Thomas Sowell's book "Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy" is an excellent read, and will give you a much better feel for many things, not the least of which is incentives.

Obama Needs A Course in U.S. Economics
Well, more than 50% of American voters voted for Obama and most don't even know that he said, "It's bigger than we've seen for a long time," [the national bail out] - I'm a little baffled why he doesn't know that this is the biggest national debt in our history! I can't figure out why Iceland is having huge protests and wanting to throw out all of their politicians who caused their economic meltdown while the American people remain complacent and don't even demand that the trillions of tax dollars missing on the government's accounting books and the fact that they aren't demanding an investigation into those involved in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the mysterious missing money even though the U.S. Senate inferred that they cooked the books - doesn't cause even a whimper let alone a protest as they watch the same players on the game board changing chairs and titles who did nothing to stop or investigate or warn the public that their tax dollars were being abused. In fact, the American people didn't care that Obama was connected to ACORN who pushed for the government to make fraudulent home loans - yet, no one is held accountable, but people who don't pay a traffic ticket or have a glass of wine and drive home are thrown in jail, fined, and investigated?

Promotion
If only Mr Sowell was the head of the Treasury, I believe we would have a chance. Unfortunately the "bipartisan crowd" in Washington are only going to make matters much worse.

Follow the money trail
Where are all these hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer dollars going, that is being siphoned and drained out of the U.S.Treasury by Bush, Paulson and their fellow travellers in Congress for this so-called financial crisis? And exactly whose pockets is all this loot going to end up in?
Our children and grandchildren of this country are being saddled with unsupportable and unpayable future debt, debt that was incurred not to 'save the economy' - the big 'lie' that is being parroted by the apologists in the media and government for this largest bank job in history, but instead cash reserves to prop up and maintain the life styles of the friends and cronies in the financial sector of the above mentioned group of co-conspirators. This well-heeled and smooth talking internationalist group has pulled off the biggest financial heist in history, in broad daylight, with the American people standing by with their mouths hanging open. While the American people waste their time in the phony "liberal vs. conservative' finger pointing charade,(a diversionary charade stoked night and day by the bought and paid for mass media) this group, which sits on both sides of the political aisle, but has its own political/social agenda, has plundered our economy and our treasury, for its own selfish purposes.

jolt? like the
ELECTRIC CHAIR? WHICH RESULTS IN DEATH !
I REMEMBER DURING THE PRIMARIES MANY PEOPLE SAID THAT THE ONLY TWO GOP CANDIDATES THAT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CONCERNING BUSINESS/ECONOMY WERE MITT ROMNEY AND
RON PAUL! THAT IS WHY THE DUMB BUTT VOTERS CHOSE JUAN MC MEXICO ??! AND HE CHOSE THAT CHAMP SALMON SKINNING MAM FROM ALASKA??!?!?

ELVIS

Distain For Liberals
My blood boils every time I hear a liberal say "It's For the Children". The truth is, they don't give a rat's *** for the children. They have allowed the killing of over 40,000,000, and are fighting for the right to kill even more. They are now in the process to burden those that are born with a debt that is greater than their parent's mortgage, and they are still in diapers. They have ruined the education system to the point that most graduates cannot even read their diploma, but I'm willing to bet they know the best brand of condom. There is no discipline in the school environment so how can anyone expect them to learn. They want to kill all incentive to work harder. When was the last time anyone got a job from a poor person? They have a tax system that rewards you if you don't plan for your future, and penalize you if you save, with a greater tax burden. Distain is the only word I can use in mixed company to describe how I truly feel about the thieves in the halls of Congress.

Ben

Evolution Becomes Revolution
Dr. Sowell you write lucidly with wisdom that I appreciate. Unfortunately we are becoming constantly a new creation. There was much in the past history of the country that needed change but the architects have exploited those problems solutions by stealth to change the institution itself. It irks me to see these people refer to the achievements of the pasts while at the same time renouncing all the qualities of charcter that of that past. Vic

Robin Hood to the Unproductive
Dr. Sowell's comment about who receives the redistributed wealth is dead-on:

"...and play Robin Hood, taking from those who are not likely to vote for them and transferring part of their earnings to those who will vote for them."

One reason this could turn into a true depression is that Obama's voters do not come from the producing class. Examination of Obama's past, his campaign rhetoric, and his base reveal that his debt (and base for 2012) is to the bureaucrat class, environmental NGOs, academic grant-seekers et al - none of whom create wealth.

Governor Rendell played this brilliantly in Pennsylvania by slowly draining the vitality from the resource-based, conservative rural areas to favor urban interests, especially Philadelphia and its suburbs. PA: First in Economic Development programs. Last in...well...economic development.

If Obama, Reid and Pelosi reward their base disproportionately, the private sector (producer of wealth) will be crippled to favor the public sector (absorber of wealth).

Perhaps there should be a futures market for Federal bureaucracies and environmental NGOs.

Growth is in the eye of the beholder.


Andy and Ben
Very well stated. Both of you. It is funny how libs here only want to blame GW and the last 8 years. This has been an incremental fleecing going on under our noses for decades and GW surely has not helped. We really need to march with pitchforks against US House and Senate of both sides. It is a game and we are losing while they feather those nests.

It sure seems as though only a 3rd party would even admit trouble.If the Constitution party had a pitchfork rally, I would attend.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots (periodically) -Thomas Jefferson

Seeing a dozen from each side hanging from trees would be a good start.

A 'penny in the fusebox'
I believe it was Ayn Rand who likened Govt regulation to a 'penny in the fusebox'. While this may be a somewhat dated analogy in the modern context, it remains relevant.

Without the 'backing' of Fannie and Freddie, it is unlikely that the sub-prime, mortgage-backed-security contagion would have spread so far and wide. Investor fear (risk aversion, really) would've counteracted the desire for profit. This is the 'fuse' in Ayn Rand's fusebox analogy - the fear of losing money acts as a self-correcting mechanism.

But Fannie, Freddie and all their funny friends gave a measure of respectability to these investments, and the lure of easy money had a very strong appeal. With visions of a neverending shopping spree in their minds, investors kept on buying these dubious investments. The creation of Fannie, Freddie et al was the proverbial penny in the fusebox. Suddenly, an class of investments that belongs only among speculators, is given a stamp of respectability, or even a sense of false safety. No wonder that such instruments were picked up by pension funds world-wide.

For those who were around in the '80s, this has a sort of deja vu feel to it! The backing of FDIC and FSLIC led to the creation of irresponsible banks, which made foolish investments. Not surprisingly, this begat the S&L crisis.

In a similar fashion, Govt Sponsored Enterprises like Fannie & Freddie gave moral sanction to irresponsible investment and banking practices.

What is shocking is that the proposed solutions almost always include MORE of the same. When Govt agencies look for causal relationships that created this problem, is it any surprise that they don't direct the finger of blame at themselves?

The specter of Senators and Congressmen sitting in judgement over the mistakes of 'others' is just awful. However, what is most sickening is the fact that a majority of Americans seem to buy into the story line.

The MSM adn the economy
For years the MSM, the dnc's own PRAVDA, has been working overtime in an effort to destroy our economy. Any and every time they can find even one negative aspect to tout, the MSM churns out mindless columns always placing the blame on Republicans, Conservatives, large investors, business management and deregulation. Never once do they place the majority of the blame where it belongs, on changes in rules of lending and others that force business to make unsound business decisions. Changes that are mandated by the demagogues and touted by the MSM as the greatest act since GOD created man.

If, for one year, the liberal MSM were forbidden to use their collective computer to spew forth their opinion, most of which is so biased in the liberal slant, on business activity, decisions, etc., the effect on the economy would be astounding. In general, the MSM biased slant on the economy is so distorted that those involved find it difficult to recognize as related the reality.

Jolting the Economy
It is too bad the Republicans did not have a conservative candidate who would run against this whole idea of even starting the bailouts. And even now very few are speaking out against the appalling continuation of the takeover over of important sections of the economy.

Jolting the Economy
It's too bad that economist don't want to run as presidents. They could possibly make the world a better place...

micro-managing
just wait until they give the $15 billion bailout to the auto industry and start yanking the strings to micromanage that as well.
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