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Sunday, March 29, 2009
Jackie Gingrich Cushman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obligatory Charity - There Is No Such Thing
by Jackie Gingrich Cushman
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Charity, giving and helping others are values that have made America great.  Those who give more in terms of money and time tend to be happier than those who don’t, writes Arthur Brooks, president of the American Enterprise Institute, in “Who Really Cares: America’s Charity Divide Who Gives, Who Doesn’t and Why it Matters.” 

The importance of public service has provided the impetus that led to the passage this week of two bills: the Serve America Act in the Senate and the Generations Invigorating Volunteering and Education Act, or GIVE, in the House.  Their stated goal: more public service. But their outcome will be - more government intrusion and more government jobs. 

“Let us be clear,” writes Brooks, “Government spending is not charity.  It is not voluntary sacrifice by individuals.  No matter how beneficial or humane it might be, no matter how necessary it is for providing for public services, it is still the obligatory redistribution of tax revenues.”  Those of us who pay taxes know all too well that our payments are required and that, while we have elected officials who are responsible for distributing our tax dollars, we often don’t know where the money goes or don’t agree with how our tax dollars are spent.

This past week, at a dinner for Kate’s Club, a non-profit organization that empowers children and teens facing life after the death of a parent of sibling, I was reminded of the importance of passion, involvement and personal commitment in volunteer organizations. 

When she was 12, Kate Atwood lost her mother.  Inspired to help others through their grieving process, Kate founded Kate’s Club in 2003.  The effect of Kate’s Club is best told by those have been helped. Shaina Pittman, a Kate’s Club participant wrote, “Ms.Kate told us that just because we lost a loved one doesn’t mean we are alone or that we are any different from other kids, that we are special, and that just because that one tragic thing happened doesn’t mean we have to be sad all of the time. I loved that saying. I knew that I would always remember that.”

This kind of interaction represents the core of charity – one person helping another based on one person’s passions and another person’s needs.  This wonderful organization operates from money and time donated by “corporations, private foundations and individual donors,” according to the Kate’s Club’s website.

Last year, Kate’s Club served more than 200 Atlanta children who had lost a parent or sibling.  This organization is a microcosm of our nation’s history of public service and charitable giving.  A need exists, an organization is founded and people are helped.

Charity matters not only to those who are helped, but also to those who give. Government spending – well – I cannot remember the last time I felt happy to send my money to Washington, D.C., where someone else got to determine how it might be best used.  Nor can I remember feeling connected with those who might receive a portion of the dollars that I pay in taxes.

In “Gross National Happiness,” Brooks writes, “Leaders need to take our giving seriously.  It is not a dalliance, or an expendable substitute for government spending.” Unfortunately, that is what Congress is doing trying to do.

While trying to increase public service by spending more taxpayers’ money – President Barack Obama is at the same time stifling the incentive for individuals to make personal contributions.  Today, people in the top tax brackets get a tax break for each personal dollar donated to charities that ranges from 33 to 35 percent.  So if they give $1,000 of their money to a charity – the after-tax (cash) impact to them is on average $660. 

Obama’s proposed change would increase the personal after-tax (cash) impact of the $1,000 charitable gift to $780.  In order for donors to remain cash-neutral, they would have to give eight percent less to the charity.  What will happen is that personal charitable giving, so important in this time of need, will be reduced.

If the goal is to promote good works, then let us do that directly, maintaining the current tax rates for charitable giving and letting people instead of government decide where their money should go.  If the goal is to create government jobs to employ those who are unemployed in work that will benefit the public good – then let us call it workfare and create a temporary workforce that our tax money will fund.

Let’s not confuse the two – one is charity and the other is government work – the two are not the same.  They are not identical twins – they are not brothers who look an awful lot alike – it’s more like big brother who is making decisions for you.

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Jackie Cushman is a freelance writer who lives in Atlanta, Georgia. Her column also runs later in the week in the Northside Neighbor.
 
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tj
"The one way to kill the "income tax system" would be to eliminate "withholding". If the tax payer would have to "pony up" the tax bill on April 15, the "income tax" would die."

It hasn't killed real estate taxes, for those of us who don't get them escrowed, and have to pay one lump sum annually.

And yet...
Haven't we decided as a people that we don't want kings or popes, we want rule by the people and for the people?

Perhaps the government doesn't work the way we personally want it to, but isn't government the thing that we want?

Are you suggesting a return to another type of society? Or what exactly?

Wow
No wonder this country is in the crapper.

Parker:
What does income tax have to do with mandatory charity work?

Parker . . .
you bring up an interesting point about "income".
I would suggest that wages paid for work is NOT "income" but a trade of physical and mental "services" for "financial renumeration". Technically, there is no "profit" to the "seller" (employee)on such a transaction. The "seller" (employee) is providing services that the "buyer" (employer) needs.
True INCOME is what the kennedys, kerrys and others derive from their WEALTH, either inherited or gained through non-labor transactions.
The one way to kill the "income tax system" would be to eliminate "withholding". If the tax payer would have to "pony up" the tax bill on April 15, the "income tax" would die.

Charity
For charity to truly be charitible, it must be voluntary, and in some sense sacrificial. Further the obligation to be charitible is personal, and not collective. When government interjects itself into this process, it perverts it by making it no longer personal or voluntary. I believe the worst consequence of this is that it robs individuals not only of their money, but also of their desire to be charitible. Too many Americans now feel that their requirement to be charitible is met by paying their taxes. This shift is demonstrated in the negative correlation between "blue" leaning states and charitible donations (the more blue leaning or big government supporting, the less charitible). It is sad, because government is coercing many of us to miss the good feelings associated with personal, voluntary gifts made to causes we support. Government must remove itself from doing "good works" if this is ever to be corrected.

And while on the subject of the sacrificial requirement for charity, let's take another look at pay for Federal legislators (and other elected officials). They talk all the time about their public service, yet argue that in order to attract the best people into government, we need to offer very good pay packages (i.e., not sacrificial). I say baloney. High pay attracts everyone, thieves included. Let's offer low pay so we only attract people willing to sacrifice a few years away from the private sector to do their public service, and then return to the private sector. Their sacrificial service will be inspiational, and temporary.

AliveinHim
“Which is it? Either government care and rationing is superior to the Church's charity or it isn't. If not, do you not see what you're saying-that deliberately substandard care for all is better than the accidental substandard care given a very few? Most of that problem comes from those who disobey current laws, not from the Gov't not being the dispenser of aid in the first place.”

Why does it have to be either/or? Why can’t we harness both to help those Christ cared most about, the poor, the sick, the imprisoned?

“Further, you still haven't answered my question as to the Christianity of a system that not only claims to help everyone in the name of compassion, but that DENIES care on a regular basis to its citizens, and that solely on the basis of cost.”

I think it sucks. That’s why I want the US to stop rationing health care on the basis of personal wealth. It just makes sense: if poor people can maintain good health, they also have a better chance at improving their lot.

GIVE Program
I am against this proposed program for several reasons.

1st, the program requires highschool and college kids to do charity work to graduate. What does this have to do with learning the basics of living after graduation? It requires high school kids to have at least a hundred hours of time and college kids to have at least two hundred hours per year of school. It is a MANDATORY program that does nothing to help them in school. And it will act to reduce actual charity work later in life. "I served my time and I'm not going to do it again! Someone else can."

2nd, the government will select the charity list you MUST work from. Christian groups are not to be part of it. If the charity you wish to help is part of a church's idea or military support, you can NOT get credit for your work. To do both requires more of our time than we have - so we do what is required and the rest goes away. Kate's Club, for instance, would not qualify because it is too small and too limited in scope.

3rd, it cuts sharply into the money a college student has. Few college students can afford to work in charities rather than a job to cover their spending and some college bills. I had to work to put myself through college without any other help at all and so do many college students today. They cannot afford to give up five weeks of work a year to work in some charity that the government has decided needs your help. I can't afford five weeks now myself when I'm working to pay my bills!

4th, how would you like to be assigned to some 'charity' that is actually some political group supporting someone you don't like for political office? I'm sure ACORN is on the list of charities that needs help.

Jeffrey
First of all, the mission of the Christian is to evangelize the world, preaching Christ and Him crucified and risen. THAT was the Great Commission given by Christ. He never said a word about providing health care, shelter or anything else for everyone who thinks he needs it. Yet, the Church does exactly that, and more, as part of its larger ministry-and all is freely supported by those who give as they feel led. In other words, people GIVE to the Church, and give generously; those whose lives are given to missions take that help to places most of us haven't the time or the calling to do. What was that you said about the vaunted virtues of Europe's socialized charity, again?

You certainly implied that gov't charity is superior; when challenged to move to Sweden if I and others kicked in for the ticket you said such a move might be a good thing, for they 'care' for their citizens as you feel Christ said to.

Which is it? Either government care and rationing is superior to the Church's charity or it isn't. If not, do you not see what you're saying-that deliberately substandard care for all is better than the accidental substandard care given a very few? Most of that problem comes from those who disobey current laws, not from the Gov't not being the dispenser of aid in the first place.

Further, you still haven't answered my question as to the Christianity of a system that not only claims to help everyone in the name of compassion, but that DENIES care on a regular basis to its citizens, and that solely on the basis of cost.



Charity is from the Heart
Charity is from the heart, and I have been doing it since before the Obamas were born. I resent their hypocrisy pushing others to charity as they give so little based on their tax returns made public. The minuscle portions that give of their obscene and ill-gotten incomes is disgusting. Obama has not given $1 to his half brother living in a shack in Kenya, nor has he done anything to help his illegal Kenyan aunt living in a Boston ghetto.

Enough is more than enough of those two - Barack Hussein and Michelle. It is time for all of this to end. Please see my blog here at Townhall.com for "A Proposed Solution ..."

Jeffrey
"I agree, charity should be given freely. And I freely want my government to spend my tax dollars on programs that help the poor, the sick, the downtrodden and disadvantaged. It is my free choice. I give gladly. I wish others would, too."

Your approval of your tax dollars being spent on inefficient and often counterproductive government programs does not magically make them freely given--they are still taken from you.

I--like most conservatives--have no problem with a portion of my tax dollars going to help those who are unable to help themselves. But I have a HUGE problem with my hard-earned money going to those who simply refuse to take responsibility for their own lives and who believe they have a right to live at the expense of their fellow citizens.

AliveinHim
What about the nightmare examples of health care in this country? People going to emergency rooms because their ailments got so bad they couldn’t stand the pain anymore; no access to preventive care because they don’t have health insurance.

I never said government charity is superior. My question is, why is a “Christian” nation like the US so deficient in matters that were important to Christ, like caring for the sick and the poor? I think American Christians like to talk about their faith, but when actions are required (as Christ demanded), they’d rather go buy stuff for themselves. Just my theory.

Jeffrey

In Sweden, that model of 'charity' you liberals are so fond of using as an example of government charity for all, there is exactly ONE mammogram clinic serving the ENTIRE country's female population. This means that not all their women are served. Why is that, if government charity is so superior? In other words, women die precisely because the welfare state only has so much money available to pay for screenings and treatment. Is that Christian?

In England, the NHS has in its wisdom decided to DENY two new, effective cancer drugs to its cancer patients, because and only because they are expensive. Is that Christian, to basically tell patients they are 'too expensive' to keep around, so they may as well go off and die?

In Canada, wait lists are long-and our border hospitals and medical centers are filled with Canadians not wanting to wait six months or more for lifesaving exams or treatments. Is that Christian, to force citizens into making expensive trips to other places to get the care they need, because the system in their native country rations its care? Talk about not 'giving to the poor'!


Christ said the poor would ALWAYS be with us. That is part of life in a fallen world. He never commanded us to give to idlers. He never commanded Gov't or anyone else to dictate the terms of charity. He never commanded third parties to demand charity on behalf of others-or to steal the fruits of others' labor to pay for it. In fact our own families are to be our first priority. Finally, He never promised us heaven on earth, but tribulation instead.

"Sell all you have and give [the money] to the poor", to quote Christ, since you're so fond of telling the rest of us what [you feel] He says on the matter. Be a shining example of leadership: You go first!

Ms. Gingrich
“Government spending is not charity."
Perhaps not, but the majority of us want our
money to go charitable causes. The gov't does
spend the way it does because "IT" wants to.
It spends the way it does because we want it to
be. Of course, that is not always the case,
and the spending that Americans seem to hate
the most is on wars. But while we rejoice when
wars go away, we do not rejoice when social
programs go away.

WHO GIVES
Recent survey of giving quoted last week on
Rush.

People who self decsribe as:

Very Conservative 4.6%
Conservative 4.1%
Moderate 3.0%
Liberal 1.6%
Very Liberal 1.2%

As percentage of gross income.

Football great Jim Brown said it best; "A liberal is someone who would break your leg
so they could give him a crutch."

Alive
You prove my point. Thank you. America may well have more charitable organizations. The question remains, why do we also have a higher percent of our children living in poverty, higher infant mortality, less access to health care, etc.?

Could it be that Americans aren’t charitable enough to address the problems? Buying stuff getting in the way of giving to the poor? There is something seriously out of wack when we crow so much about what a Christian nation we are, and the Japanese, for example, have all but eliminated child poverty.

I would ask you to read your Bible to determine Christ’s demands for selfless love of neighbor and caring for him.

Paleocon
Greetings from the whippersnapper! :)

Hope you're doing well too but you may be getting Utah and Colorado back your way if this gawdawful windstorm keeps up.

Jeffrey-then for the love of God PLEASE, without some Gov't apparatchik having to tell you so, send all you feel is necessary to reach the goal! Think and do for yourself, man! You might even find you like it! :)

Jeffrey sez
...yet lags many less religious nations on metrics for the poor and the sick that Christ said were important.

Asks I: How many Shriner, Jewish and other religious, and Childrens' [all charitable, btw] Hospitals are there in Europe? Ronald McDonald houses? Pregnancy help centers, church or privately sponsored? Church or privately-sponsored ministries that have specialized outreaches to single mothers, blind folks and other handicaps (as ours does), grief-share and divorce care groups (as ours does)? AA, Alanon, and other support groups? Boy and Girl Scouts?Church-sponsored food banks? ANY kind of food banks? Goodwill? Salvation Army hospitality houses? Rescue Mission shelters/thrift shops? Does Europe have these in any significant proportion compared to America? Something tells me not so much. Government is Europe's god, and the standard of living conditions show it.

All such here are supported largely by donations from both the rich folks and those who aren't so rich. We are the most charitable nation on earth, yet you insist we don't do 'enough' for those who cannot do for themselves. Just wow.

Again, I ask that you please use Christ's own words as found in the Bible rather than exposition of same as found in magazine articles. Like dogs walking on their hind legs, they're interesting, but primarily a distraction.

Paleocon
I admit no such thing. But I do want to know why the great Christian nation of the US of A trails its supposedly godless neighbors in Europe when it comes to taking care of the poor and the sick.

Deputy: I no more want to give all my income to the government than you want to give all your income to the poor. What I want is a portion of my taxes to go to help the poor and the sick. Given how many poor and sick people there are in this country, that portion may not be high enough.

paleocon
I'm a bit of an idealist and so I do not accept any Constitutional violations as done deals, after all where or when does the line get drawn? Now saying that, I realize that the legitimacy of the 14th and 16th amendment isn't really the fight right now, but I mention these facts to illustrate the continuing breaches of those in the Federal government, and their willingness to violate as they please. I also raised the issue of the 14th Amendment and the intent of those wrote it because it is to a large degree the doorway whereby the usurpers enter into general legislastion on behalf of individuals under the guise of "civil rights", though civil rights was never really understood to be more than the freedom to move about, own property, and enjoy access to the legal system. There are other doorways, yes, such as "national emergency" but it's necessary to be aware of all the ways that the usurpers use to take wealth and not just "redistribute" it, but diminish it. As the delegates at the Federal Convention never took it upon themselves to equip the Federal government for general legislation on behalf of the individual, every manner in which it is now done today must be spotlighted and targeted. Another observation, even Madison who came into the Convention with a plan for a National government (which was defeated) spoke early on against how some were seeking a "leveling". I mention this to show that even at the early stages of this country those who wanted a Nation rather than a Federation did not want the Socialist, Statist type of government being espoused today.

Jeffrey:
Then freely donate your entire income to the government.

Various
AliveInHim: Belated greetings, whippersnapper. Enjoy your dinner.

Jeffrey: "In fact, by pretty much any measure of caring for the least among us you want to propose—childhood nutrition, infant mortality, access to preschool—we come in nearly last among the rich nations, and often by a wide margin."

If you're admitting that the New Deal, the Great Society, and most of the other transfer-payment programs of the last hundred years have failed, congratulations. You've just taken an important step forward in understanding.

Lenard
Very good point about ACORN. Having disrupted charitable giving, the Feds will subsidize favored nonprofit/paramilitary organizations and let the others suffer. No doubt one motive of this strategy is ire against the Catholic Church and other entities that refuse to go along on abortion and other matters that the new regime considers non-negotiable. (Note the parallel anti-Catholic activity in New York.) But all heretical groups will fare worse. Look for the IRS to start pulling tax-exemptions at an unprecedented pace.

Good points, too, about the 14th and 16th amendments. But their acceptance into the canon is a _fait accompli_. No court will consider their validity, just as no court will take on income-tax withholding or Obama's eligibility. That's all settled, so we shall have to make the best of the situation.

AliveinHim
A lot of great magazine articles are written by biblical scholars. I get a lot out of reading them. I’m an agnostic but I find religion to be fascinating, especially in a country that likes to call itself a Christian nation, yet lags many less religious nations on metrics for the poor and the sick that Christ said were important.

I agree, charity should be given freely. And I freely want my government to spend my tax dollars on programs that help the poor, the sick, the downtrodden and disadvantaged. It is my free choice. I give gladly. I wish others would, too.

Jeffrey
Can't stick around long as we're going to dinner but thought I'd ask a favor:

PLEASE, use the Bible to inform yourself as to the Truth of what Jesus taught. Why do you insist on cutting and pasting from magazines? If you don't accept the authority of the Bible that's your prerogative but don't go fishing in other ponds for your Christianity.

Charity is ALWAYS freely given. Yes, God loves a cheerful giver. But he doesn't love the one who is less generous with his charity any less; He knows better than you what the motivation is either way. There will never in this life be heaven on earth; that, along with the fact that God respects the right of men to choose to reject Him is why there is no force of law behind Biblical charity. There is no such respect from Government toward its subjects-we pay or go to jail.

Chew on that one for awhile.


paleocon
Acorn and such agencies need not worry about funding as they get it from the Fed Gov, look at GIVE and SERVE, not to mention the "stimulus" bill. A point to consider about both the 14th and 16th amendment, neither was actually ratified. The 14th was done through installed reps from the North/Republican gov, and the 16th was merely declared to be in effect without actual verification. Further, on the 14th we have the Congessional record of debates, and all it was meant to do was give blacks the right to move freely about, own property, and have recourse to the legal system. There was no "right to privacy" or any other imagined right that was understood to be dealt with in the 14th, rather fanciful Judges have horribly misapplied this Amendment(again, never Constitutionally ratified) for their own social goals.

The poooooor in America
Question for NY MEL. What is the number one health problem among the poor in America?

The answer of course is obesity! Food insecurity in the US a big myth. There is no disputing the waist line of the average poor person in this country is large indeed!

Did you bother to research the definition of "food insecurity" in this study? The answer must be no because anyone who even wondered if he would have enough money for food for the coming month qualified as having a bad case of "food insecurity."

Amen, Melvin
“In 2004, as a share of our economy, we ranked second to last, after Italy, among developed countries in government foreign aid. Per capita we each provide fifteen cents a day in official development assistance to poor countries. And it's not because we were giving to private charities for relief work instead. Such funding increases our average daily donation by just six pennies, to twenty-one cents. It's also not because Americans were too busy taking care of their own; nearly 18 percent of American children lived in poverty (compared with, say, 8 percent in Sweden).

“In fact, by pretty much any measure of caring for the least among us you want to propose—childhood nutrition, infant mortality, access to preschool—we come in nearly last among the rich nations, and often by a wide margin.

The point is not just that (as everyone already knows) the American nation trails badly in all these categories; it's that the overwhelmingly Christian American nation trails badly in all these categories, categories to which Jesus paid particular attention. And it's not as if the numbers are getting better: the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported last year [2004] that the number of households that were “food insecure with hunger” had climbed more than 26 percent between 1999 and 2003.”

So, gee, if you give the rich tax cuts, like Bush did, that money not given to the government doesn’t seem to end up in the pockets of the needy.

Government charity is immoral
There is nothing moral about taking money from Peter at the end of a gun for Paul's purpose. Parker is right that government spending is not charity. Those who are using government to get "charitable" support (or to support their causes) are being immoral. They should open their own wallets rather than forcing others to open theirs. Government is the means by which groups of people steal from others for their own purposes.

Now we have politicians deciding who gets "charitable" money. Obama is taking over charity to increase the "pay to play" "charitable" spending to help ensure the Democrat party remains in power. I would much prefer that individuals who want to help others, do so freely.

As it is, we've created a system whereby people are making a living doing "charitable" work (like Acorn) and getting their funding from taxpayers. They are immoral thieves.

Sparing A dime.
Depending on donations if you are sick and starving is suicide. That is why there are welfare payments to the less fortunate. The government has made it profitable by giving tax write-offs to donors. They realize the truth that the great majority of people are self-seeking gluttons and will let their neighbors starve or freeze to death rather than spare a dime.

Yes, it is
“After all, in the days before his crucifixion, when Jesus summed up his message for his disciples, he said the way you could tell the righteous from the damned was by whether they'd fed the hungry, slaked the thirsty, clothed the naked, welcomed the stranger, and visited the prisoner.”

http://harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080695

I’d say if you’ve got salvation on your mind, there IS obligatory charity.

Parker
I loved your take on "unpaid volunteerism".

This brings up another point. Liberals argue that if we make business responsible for hiring illegal ailiens, and take punitive action against companies that do so, we make them enforcers of the law and strap them with the governments' job.

Since this is already happening, the argument has no merit. Companies already do the government's job as tax collectors. Why is it such a stretch to expect them to be aware of whether or not their employees are legal to work in the U.S.?

Sigh...
Joel if you think I am impugning you merely by pointing out incongruities in your posts it is not my intention. I can read and comprehend quite well. On the other hand, if you think I should just accept your posts as unassailable because you think you have presented an impenetrable legal or constitutional argument, then I guess I am impugning you.

You cannot on one hand posit a call for, "equity in INCOME taxes" without defining income. (I am not hung up on this point, it requires definition if you're going to argue equity in taxation.) You cannot reasonably suggest that a wage earner should be obligated to render a flat percentage of his gross earnings, as if there is no cost input in realizing his wages by allowing for NO EXEMPTIONS; nor call for taxing gross receipts of business without allowing for cost of goods, capital investment and other cost inputs and expect people to take you seriously.

Is the rate fixed? Is the rate subject to a balanced budget? Is the rate dependent upon a rate of inflation fixed by government? Can the fed inflate in order to by stealth increase the amount of government revenue? Should the shell game of government employees pretending to pay taxes be eliminated?
Have you thought about these types of things ? Do you think they matter? Are you interested in resolving these issues on a national level in a realistic way ? Such as your proposal on other blogs to hold trials for treason and conduct public hangings of politicians convicted thereof ?

My disagreement with you is in essence this: Government has no authority constitutional or otherwise to tax wages. Taxing wages implies the government owns a portion of that labor which implies slavery or indentured service. This is not a serfdom or plantation where we enjoy the privilege of having a job by the good graces of the government and thereby owe a duty, an excise or other form of tribute to the great benefactor. That-I simply reject.










Not only
do people often disagree with the way their tax dollars are spent, but frequently those tax dollars don't even see a charitable cause.

Politicians routinely divert tax dollars to special interest groups solely for the purpose of buying votes.

Those who equate taxes with charity are likely the ones on the receiving end of those taxes and love to use Jesus’ exhortation to help the poor as an excuse for increasing what they get.

AudiR10 to Dag
Great post.

The only help benefiting people is help freely given. It is not a coincidence that a person who has suffered is the person who best helps those suffering.

It is these fellow/former sufferers who uniquely provide credible HOPE that suffering does NOT need to go on forever.

Seventy or so years ago, a very significant organization began based on this model.

The article states:

"Charity matters not only to those who are helped, but also to those who give."

Got to give it away to keep it.

Charity is to Welfare what Love is to Indifference. Any of you out there - which do you want when you need a hand in life?

Obama's charity of choice Rev Wright's
Trinity United Church of Christ is nothing but a racist mob who promote the idea that blacks are "captives" in this country which is out to "kill and/or imprison them."

When you have personally given a large portion of your charitable contributions the the klan with a tan why would you have any regard for charities. Obama can easily forsee charitable giving that ends up promoting life over abortion, personal responsibility over government care etc. Charity to Obama is just another tool that can be better preformed by government as long as Obama is the one in charge of the government.

And then...
While the 16th amendment allows for the, "taxing of income from whatever source derived," one must first recognize, understand, and ask, "What is income?" Furthermore, one must consider how such an amendment got passed to begin with. Why was it 'necessary' to pass it, who was to be taxed and how does this comport with a constitutional republic governed by the 'rule of law'.

If the democratically elected representatives consented to plunder some and not others by passing this amendment is it a lawful amendment? I think not. It fails the first test of equal protection. Unless of course, the rule of law has been reduced to the axiom: Two wolves voting against one sheep on the question of, "What's for dinner?"

The truth is, the 16th amendment was sold as a necessary measure to supply government with much needed funding beyond excises and duty imposts. It was sold as, "A tax on the rich and corporations." Or more precisely, those who derive gains from investment and corporate enterprise; unlike the masses who derived wages from exchanging labor for money. This is also how the courts defined income for years.

Gradually, however, income began to be counted as all earnings and soon included the wages and 'gains' which were imputed willy nilly even on barter exchanges. This should have been the death knell for such musings. Sadly it wasn't.

As a result, government grew and continues to grow to the point where it was forced into debasing the currency and taxing everything in sight. We are now to the point where proposals known as cap and trade are being bantied about, which are nothing more than a clever disguise for "breathing and exhaling into the air taxes".

I am sure we have much in common.
My only desire is to promote liberty and justice for all.

Happy Now?

Joel
I read your post and here's how you concluded it:

"The only way for a tax on income to be in harmony with the other Amendments is a flat tax."

I agree with your reasoning regarding equity, constitutionality and many other observations you made. I do not agree with taxing income. I do not agree that wages are income. I do not believe the government-at any level-has any right to tax any mans labor or property. Taxing labor and property is an implied lien which implies ownership. This is balderdash. The government does not own the labor of its citizens and it certainly does not hold title to all property. The government simply isn't a grand master of the people entitled to a cut of everything and anything it desires to put its hands on.

The government is not a noble lord entitled to enrich itself and the millions of highway men it posts in bureaucracies directing the lives of the citizenry. They are the SERVANTS. Delegated with specific enumerated powers which do NOT include charity, subsidy or any other form of redirecting the income of the people to their friends, their special interests or to others whom they deem more needful.

Taxing consumption only; at the same rate is true equity. One can only spend what one can afford to spend, what one chooses to freely spend and on what one desires to spend. Exemption amounts can be equal regardless of status and should be based upon realistic social norms, not made up as they currently are.

Suzanne
#11=Tx.
I agree with most of what you said.

Obama's Socialism will be filtered in.
today, he wants less deductions which will equal less giving. Tomorrow, he will force you to give to charities...via the Government.

But, Obama will tell you that is for those making $500,000 & up....then it will drop to those making over $250,000...then continue to drop until you are bled dry.

And of course, Charities MUST be approved by Obama & his Socialist Regime.

There's going to be a lot of sad and sick voters before this a** gets stopped.

Demanding Volunteerism...
The government has been demanding unpaid 'volunteerism' since it began withholding taxes at their source. Business owners are unpaid tax collectors for federal, state and local income taxes on their employees and retail businesses are unpaid collectors for county sales tax.

They are also forced to incur additional expenses in the form of staff preparing forms, filings, separate bank accounts and a host of regulatory compliance costs.

Let us not forget laws regarding conscription.

Face it, fascism is alive and well in America and has been since Woodrow Wilson was President.

I defy anyone to name one area of your life where the government, at any level, politicians on either side, and judges do not believe they have the power, the right or the authority to interfere.

Happy Now?

Suzanne
"When are the real conservatives in Congress going to do something about this?"

Any real conservative who reaches Congress quickly loses either his office or his way. There may be a few conservative newcomers who haven't been corrupted beyond redemption, but they're impotent.

Present and former members of Congress aren't eager to be set upon by a mob and hanged. That's probably what would happen to them all if even 10 percent of the populace understood the true scope of their mis-, mal-, and non-feasance over the last half-century. Consequently, no one in the know, Democrat or Republican, will let on how bad things are going to become. (You think the AIG fiasco is outrageous? Wait until we find out that Social Security is insolvent.) If they won't discuss our common problems, they can't begin to solve them. At this late hour, they probably couldn't solve them if they tried. So they continue to rearrange deck chairs on the _Titanic_. Worse, the great majority don't see the iceberg.

If there's help for this country, it won't come from Washington.

Volunteer?
As a UNpaid voluteer I resent that paying people to volunteer,that is an oxymoron statement. I would recomend that everyone check out Amendment 13 Section 1. Neither salvery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. When does the goverment start demanding involuntary volunteerism?

Reducing deductible contributions
Is the first step toward taxing the church.

With populism being the new form of government encouraged coveteousness in society the move to begin taxing the church is clearly underway.

The way to make the work of charities and churches appear to be less relevant to good works is to incrementally interfere and eventually eliminate their ability to provide those charitable works.

By encroaching upon the necessary funds to operate a church, or charity the government can successfully interpose itself as the benevolent provider. While the church's first priority will still be the gospel, it's relevance in applying the gospel will gradually be inhibited such that most people will no longer accept the need for churches and charities to be exempt at all.

This move will eventually be seen by many to be no different than, "taxing the rich." After all, if the only thing the church is able to do with its money is pay for staff, utilities and maintenance on its cathedrals and sanctuaries why not tax their property and 'incomes'.

Happy Now?

Obligatory Charity
This is what I am forced to pay in obligatory charity: Subsidies to agriculture and business; subsidies to other states for telecommunications upgrades for libraries and poor people; property taxes to pay for public schools to warehouse thugs and illegal aliens;medicaid and medicare;taxes on gasoline, franchise taxes and other things like "rider charges" from the natural gas and electric industries;housing welfare, CHIPS welfare, and you name it. ALL OF THESE ARE FORCED CHARITY!!! I want out. When are the real conservatives in Congress going to do something about this? Actually, I think they have all become RINOs. Like the Democrats, they don't give a damn about people who work or people who have earned their retirement but who have nothing left after taxes on retirement income. I am sick of it, and I am sick of people like yourself who claim to be conservatives, but who are as unconservative as the rest.

Equal protection...
In as much as I agree with your underlying argument regarding the tax policy, that being equality, I must differ with your presupposition that all receipts equal income. (ie. wages are not income)

I would further differ from you on the concept of a flat tax being equal simply from the standpoint that this flat tax would not be born by those protected by laws of incorporation.

All business has the luxury of passing their tax on to the consumer. Thus, business does not pay tax anymore than government employees pay taxes. Business collects the tax that it adds to the cost of goods as government passes out revenue in the form of payroll and then re-collects the same money it just 'paid' in the form of withholdings. If government employees paid tax, the government would have more money than it had prior to making payroll which it clearly does not. It only takes a kickback. Government does not sell products at a profit nor create wealth, it only extracts by force from those that do.

Income has historically been defined as gain from investment. To tax a wages as profit is to assume all labor has equal value with zero cost. This is impossible given the government itself establishes a minimum value to all labor in the form of minimum wage. While I do not believe the intent is or was to establish a minimum value of any labor, that is the result. Therefore, if the minimum value of labor is X there is no gain only an equal exchange; if there is no gain there is no income. This is best understood as a business selling a product at its cost plus inputs.

The value of labor is not equal. Trade skills and experience bring a value which should be deemed higher, thus the profit can't be deemed equal, again rendering a flat tax inequitable.

Government is not entitled to the fruit of a mans labor. This flies in the face of true liberty. The only form of equal taxation is at the consumption end. Otherwise we are nothing more than chattel with liens upon our backs.


Joel -- oops
I started my post before yours appeared, but paused to eat breakfast before finishing it. Consequently, I plowed some of the same ground that you'd already covered eloquently. My apologies.


Let's Move On, Not Much Here
From Gingrich (how did I get this job?):"This past week, at a dinner for Kate’s Club, a non-profit organization that empowers children and teens..." Empowers children and teens? Trash talk, from the pages of our gubermint education system. For starters, how much did you attendees spend - every cost imaginable - working up the dinner, any new clothes, auto expenses, eats and drinks, facility costs, any nanny or kidwatcher costs, etc.? And were you properly recognized when you showed up Gingrich, which I'm guessing, is part of your "life experiences." Getting recognizes for charitable acts is a major part of the process for most people. This article is not much more than Gingrich's usual I, My, Mine, Me, We, Our, Ours, Us. If you need help, Gingrich, in finding good targets for giving, try staying home and sending donations via the failed USPS at a total cost of less than $.50.

A radical suggestion
Obama's shot over the bow of the nonprofit sector is puzzling. Many nonprofit organizations, e.g., Planned Parenthood and ACORN, comprise his hard-left supporters. Maybe he's trying to gut the churches, and secular charities are bycatch. Maybe he's going after all charities as if they were competition for his benevolent government. Who can tell? The odd thing is that he may be stumbling toward the right track, though for any of a number of wrong reasons.

Our rulers have piddled with the tax code for generations to encourage or discourage certain behavior, advance or retard certain industries, enrich themselves and their circles, and punish opponents. It's no wonder that this whole body of law is an unjust, impenetrable mess. The shameful conduct of Congress with respect to the AIG bonuses -- passing a bill of attainder and trying to stir up a lynch mob -- is a natural culmination of such corrupt practices.

There are only two arguments for using tax law to reward altruism: (1) government should encourage good deeds, and (2) charitable giving reduces government expenditures. Well, charity _is_ generally a good thing. It's at least as old as government, however; and it thrived in this country long before anyone thought of stimulating it with tax breaks. Further, charities don't always save the government money. The government doesn't _have_ any money except what it takes from us at gunpoint, and a great deal of charitable activity is nothing that government should be involved with.

There's no good reason to muddle tax law with ever-more-complex incentives and disincentives, so why not abolish or at least reconsider most of them? The sole defensible purpose of taxation is to raise money for the legitimate activities of government. Tax exemptions should be few, clear, and stable.


AudiR10
I lost my brother 24 years ago. It was a couple years before the dreams that he was still alive finally tapered off. I'll always miss him. But it does get better, and i can enjoy the memories now. It helps me to think that many folks are not so lucky as i was to have a wonderful brother for 49 years. I honor his memory as i serve those still here with me. We can only pay forward.

Dag
Obviously you have not lost a parent or sibling. My blessed Daddy died in October 2008 and as a matter of fact, even at the age of 61 I feel that I may be sad forever! And it is in fact very comforting to me when those who lost their family member(s) longer ago than I did tell me that it does get better and one day I will laugh again and enjoy the things that Daddy and I enjoyed together without this crushing sorrow.

You, Dag, are an insensitive brat and I hope when the day comes that you suffer grief, you will not meet up with someone like you to ridicule and jeer at your unhappiness.

As for charity, forced or unforced, we have a program in town at the public hatcheries where the kiddies are required to *volunteer* a certain number of hours in order to get their diploma from high school. The ones that come to our charity with their time cards spend a lot of time hunched over their binkies in a corner, or dragging their feet and botching their duties, and when their sentence is within an hour of being up, begin to whine *Can I gooooooooooo nowwwwwwwwwww?* until finally we punch their card and they can flee back to their friends and their toys and put that chore behind them. There is nothing worse for the clients as well as the company than *help* that has been conscripted and manifestly resents the chore and despises those they are forced to sereve. This program may be convincing a generation of kids that the lsat thing they want to do is volunteer.

Pity would be no more
If we did not make somebody poor.

It's just amazing
I guess the 12 year olds never stopped crying - weeks, months, years, then came along the idea that they don't have to be sad all the time.
In fact, one who apparently was sad all the time till she wasn't -(perhaps 24 hours if that), figured out she can live her melancholy for her entire life through her program.
I believe the insanity never ends.
Yes, please, all our injured children need some psychbot collective to tell them what is obvious to animals above the level of pity monkeys.
Jiminy crickets - they are all our children now - and we all care... for their mental health... and the collective idiots march on.
Now we need a program for what has been occurring since before ... well great.
I'm so happy for the sad people that know they don't have to be sad forever. YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE.
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