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Shouldn't It Be 14 Counts?

Carol Platt Liebau
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Nidal Hasan has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder.

But according to this list of the victims, Private Velez was pregnant. So shouldn't Hasan be charged with 14 murders?

Last I checked, Laci and Conor's law is still on the books.

Tags: A Culture of Life , Abortion

Carol Platt Liebau

Carol Platt Liebau

Carol Platt Liebau is an attorney, political commentator and guest radio talk show host based near New York. Learn more about her new book, "Prude: How the Sex-Obsessed Culture Hurts Young Women (and America, Too!)" here.

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Careful with that axe, Eugene Wrote: Nov 13, 2009 7:03 AM

"Did Hasan have a screw loose? Yes. So did the Unibomber. That has nothing to do with being 'fit for trial.' If it were the case, every murderer in the country could arguably be deemed crazy."

The Unabomber wasn't found crazy because he refused to let his lawyer enter an insanity plea.

"The reason is we have become too PC. Being back home last month in Switzerland had me realizing it. Thats because the Swiss are known fo rbeing very straight forward and calling it as it is."

Me- The Swiss are also whiter than white bread... It's easy to say that kind of thing when everyone is pretty much the same.

"I see nothing coming from DC that will improve this PC issue in general. Its heading at speed in the other...

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Careful with that axe, Eugene Wrote: Nov 13, 2009 6:59 AM

"So, if that's the way you feel, why the hell would you support a vote for the health care plan that not one congressman will be using for himself?"

Me- Ummm, because we don't NEED a plan for Congress, we need one for the 46 million who don't have insurance and the 25 million who have crappy insurance because the insurance companies don't have to compete.

Nee- You people are the most intolerant bunch of hypocrites. The next thing we'll hear is that it was Bush's fault that Hasan wasn't booted from the military. Yeah, I got it. The Pied Piper will not own a single thing as long as it has any taint and he can blame Bush.

Me- Well, I have to ask the question, WHY wasn't he kicked out? Maybe because the military is so...

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Careful with that axe, Eugene Wrote: Nov 13, 2009 6:56 AM

"Why would a Sky Pixie
use Jesus or the Bible to make a point, and yet not believe either? Sky Pixie's are religious zealots, G-D their Father is Government, and their mother is Mother Earth. They rabidly worship both, and demand that all do as well. And if you don't political correctness is employed to stifle your dissent. Propaganda and indoctrination begins early in children lives, and is carried through adulthood. The Bible that the Sky Pixies despise, states that the "Prince and the Power of the air", is Satan himself. So it's no wonder that the Sky Pixies control most of those airways and the media. Sky Pixies and Jihadis, Satan's emissaries."

Me- Really, any thing I would add would just detract from the hilarity.
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Nee2 Wrote: Nov 13, 2009 6:55 AM

"So you have. What is your point? When Cheney or Bush send their kids there, I'll be impressed."

So, if that's the way you feel, why the hell would you support a vote for the health care plan that not one congressman will be using for himself?

You people are the most intolerant bunch of hypocrites. The next thing we'll hear is that it was Bush's fault that Hasan wasn't booted from the military. Yeah, I got it. The Pied Piper will not own a single thing as long as it has any taint and he can blame Bush.

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Careful with that axe, Eugene Wrote: Nov 13, 2009 6:54 AM

"Um, abortion in countries with universal health care is still quite common."

Me- Not as common as it is in the united states...

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_abo_percap-health-abo rtions-per-capita

# 6 United States: 4.0945 per 1,000 people
# 8 New Zealand: 2.76902 per 1,000 people
# 10 Japan: 2.69214 per 1,000 people
# 11 France: 2.65644 per 1,000 people
# 12 Israel: 2.47077 per 1,000 people
# 13 Italy: 2.30861 per 1,000 people
# 14 Canada: 2.15056 per 1,000 people
# 16 Germany: 1.18811 per 1,000 people

"Capitalism doesn't...

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Sarah318 Wrote: Nov 13, 2009 3:50 AM

1. Southpaws are left-handed people...not getting why you would call someone that unless you know they are left-handed, last I checked that's not really an insult. I'm left-handed but that's the only lefty thing about me!!!
2. Sceptezeny is calling Christians cowards because we don't avenge wrongs by killing people...in my world that's a good thing.
3. I'm so tired of hearing people say "I'll send my kid, when Bush sends his to war." It's an all volunteer military made up of adults!!! There is not one child there saying, "My mommy made me come here."
4. 14 counts of murder and treason...that's the way to go...

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Tazzmax Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 11:45 PM

Amen to that!

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lbs2 Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 11:42 PM

the death of the fetus, when mother is attacked or murdered, is handled differently in each state. since the military didn't count the unborn baby as one of the murdered victims, in the indictment, TEXAS can go after the terrorist for the death of the unborn. i am prayerfully asking each and everyone to email and write the attorney gen of texas to do just that. the military could take as long as 3 three years to get around to the military trial. this scum doesn't deserve 3 more years of life. please help.

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lbs2 Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 11:41 PM

the death of the fetus, when mother is attacked or murdered, is handled differently in each state. since the military didn't count the unborn baby as one of the murdered victims, in the indictment, TEXAS can go after the terrorist for the death of the unborn. i am prayerfully asking each and everyone to email and write the attorney gen of texas to do just that. the military could take as long as 3 three years to get around to the military trial. this scum doesn't deserve 3 more years of life. please help.

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cottoneyed Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 11:12 PM

use Jesus or the Bible to make a point, and yet not believe either? Sky Pixie's are religious zealots, G-D their Father is Government, and their mother is Mother Earth. They rabidly worship both, and demand that all do as well. And if you don't political correctness is employed to stifle your dissent. Propaganda and indoctrination begins early in children lives, and is carried through adulthood. The Bible that the Sky Pixies despise, states that the "Prince and the Power of the air", is Satan himself. So it's no wonder that the Sky Pixies control most of those airways and the media. Sky Pixies and Jihadis, Satan's emissaries.

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clarityseeker2 Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 10:44 PM

When I mentioned, last week, that the killer was muslim, Septic Tank's first response.

"sceptyczny writes: Thursday, November, 05, 2009 5:34 PM
Muslim???
you are a total nutcase."

That's right------I am the nutcase for mentioning the facts.

Bottom Line:
Septic's denial is consistent with the Legacy media. Very consistent. And, one cannot push the dialogue forward when their is this level of IGNORANCE.

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Meredith20 Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:59 PM

I wonder what the hold-up is regarding the 14th count? In legalize, would the death of the unborn be something of a lesser charge since Hasan's attorney could argue that Hasan didn't know he was killing the baby? I just wonder since Scott Peterson's 2 murders were both premeditated. I wonder in this case if Hasan will face something like 13 premeditated charges and 1 manslaughter charge or something. It's not like it will matter. If he's tried in the military courts, he's obviously eligible for the death penalty for the murders alone--plus you could certainly make the case for charges of treason. It will be interesting since I'm pretty sure President Obama would be the one who would sign-off on the death order.

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Tazzmax Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:58 PM

yeah and MaoBami would probably pardon him!

I'd guarantee he wouldn't sign a death warrent.

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cottoneyed Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:55 PM

Therefore she should be treated as the lying outcast that she is. Ostracized, ignored, and then left to twist slowly in the wind. Her life consists of showing up at a Conservative blog everyday, lie, caught in the lie, and then shamed and embarrassed. Yet, she shows up the next day, to do it all over again. Mental illness. It's the only explanation, mental illness. Lied so much that she had to change handles! She is sick.

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Tazzmax Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:46 PM

I suppose all you Marxist apologist trolls would be happy if they gave Hasan a medal and set him free, huh?...Pathetic.

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NOTW Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:46 PM

You don't know the shallowness that is Sceptic. A whole former life here as Kadoom. A West LA lib of the most elite snobbery. Good luck with that one also.

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cottoneyed Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:44 PM

A marriage, a union of religious zealots. Tolerance and adherence. The sky pixies see no evil in Allah, but don't mess with their Mother. CO2 killin' her. Poor soul. Fanatical are they in the defense of her. Who will win, Allah or Mother. After all, they're on a collusion course. Stay tuned.

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NOTW Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:42 PM

Did Hasan have a screw loose? Yes. So did the Unibomber. That has nothing to do with being 'fit for trial.' If it were the case, every murderer in the country could arguably be deemed crazy.

The reason is we have become too PC. Being back home last month in Switzerland had me realizing it. Thats because the Swiss are known fo rbeing very straight forward and calling it as it is.

I see nothing coming from DC that will improve this PC issue in general. Its heading at speed in the other direction.

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NOTW Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:38 PM

John Muhammed killed 10 people in 10 different instances which would have required 10 different trials. Virginia was chosen because they're not wishy-washy on executing.

Hasan, one instance 14 dead. One Military Trial for 14 counts.

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Baradiel Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:35 PM

"Personally, I'd like to see there be less abortions. But until you nutters actually support expanded family and medical leave, universal health care, etc."

Um, abortion in countries with universal health care is still quite common.

"you all come off like a bunch of phonies bemoaning the fact women make the choice you've largely forced them into to feed your capitalist greed machine."

Capitalism doesn't make people pregnant. Sex does that. If they hadn't gotten pregnant, they wouldn't be in that situation. There is this novel concept called "dealing with the consequences of one's actions".

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Careful with that axe, Eugene Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:34 PM

It's Yates, not Yeager....

"Don't forget on the feild of battle, pleanty[sic] of us are on in Iraq or Afghanistan or have been there."

So you have. What is your point? When Cheney or Bush send their kids there, I'll be impressed.

yeah, a lot of liberals and even moderates are anti-religious, because conservatives have used religion to impose policies not even Jesus would support.

Yup, Jesus was all for tax cuts for the rich. Says so right here in the bible... Right after he supported Carrie Prejeans masturbation tape... ummm, still looking for that quote.

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moderateGuy Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:31 PM

"the unborn as human.".
That's OK, the unborn feel the same way about them.

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Baradiel Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:30 PM

"so, if he is crazy, like Andrea
'god told me to kill my kids' Yeager, and goes to the nuthouse instead of death row, then what? Which one of you brave christians will avenge the 13, I mean the 14? The only way you christians kill is by drones, remote or an electric chair. Cowards. "

Don't forget on the feild of battle, pleanty of us are on in Iraq or Afghanistan or have been there.

Imagine that, another anti-religious liberal. Amazing, liberal tolerance is just awesome.

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sceptyczny Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:18 PM

'god told me to kill my kids' Yeager, and goes to the nuthouse instead of death row, then what? Which one of you brave christians will avenge the 13, I mean the 14? The only way you christians kill is by drones, remote or an electric chair. Cowards.

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Careful with that axe, Eugene Wrote: Nov 12, 2009 8:17 PM

For the record, THIS is what a fetus looks like at 5 days...

http://media.ehd.org/flash/controls/images/1016.jpg

Nothing like a baby...

Personally, I'd like to see there be less abortions. But until you nutters actually support expanded family and medical leave, universal health care, etc. you all come off like a bunch of phonies bemoaning the fact women make the choice you've largely forced them into to feed your capitalist greed machine.

Hey, guy, it's like this. The Capitalist Masters of the GOP don't WANT abortion to become illegal. The last thing they want is to pay higher taxes and give out more benefits to women who get pregnant. They want childless women who will work for less than what a man will...

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