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Tuesday, June 09, 2009
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Varieties of Nothing
by Thomas Sowell
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Doing nothing might seem to be simple and easy. But there are many varieties of nothing, and some kinds of nothing can get very elaborate and complex.

In courts of law, for example, "concurrent sentences" mean that nothing is being done to punish a convicted criminal for some of his crimes, since the time he is serving for one crime is being served concurrently with the time served for other crimes.

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A study in Britain found that, among criminals caught, convicted and sentenced, only 7 percent of these sentences involved being put behind bars. Most of what is done in the other 93 percent of the cases amounts to virtually nothing.

People convicted of burglary in Britain are seldom jailed. For this and many other crimes, they will get a stern talking to. And, if they do it again, they will get an even sterner talking to.

The idea is that burglary is "only" a property crime and the left intelligentsia in Britain show their disdain for property rights by not taking property crimes very seriously. The net result is that burglary is far more common in Britain than in the United States.

Moreover, burglars in Britain seldom bother to "case" the place as most American burglars do before breaking in. Even if someone is home, that is far less of a danger in Britain where severe gun control laws greatly reduce the dangers to burglars.

A British homeowner who held two burglars at gunpoint until the police arrived was arrested-- even though the gun he used turned out to be just a realistic-looking toy gun. The British intelligentsia take guns much more seriously than they take burglary, even when it is only a toy gun that is used to "intimidate" a burglar, as they put it.

People who say that we should learn from other countries seem to have in mind that we should imitate those countries. But some of the most valuable lessons from other countries can be had from seeing the disasters their policies have produced-- especially when our own intelligentsia are pushing ideas that have already been tried and failed elsewhere.

We need to pay attention to these sneak previews of coming attractions, even if they consist of doing nothing. Whether in the United States or in other countries, the purpose of all this nothing is of course to pacify public opinion by pretending to be doing something.

The criminal justice system is not the only arena in which doing nothing is often common-- and often gets complicated. On the international stage, the great arena for doing nothing is the United Nations.

We have, for example, been doing nothing to stop Iran from getting nuclear bombs, but it has been elaborate, multifaceted and complexly nuanced nothing.

Had there been no United Nations, it would have been obvious to all and sundry that we were doing nothing-- and that could have had dire political consequences at election time.

However, thanks to the United Nations, there is a place where political leaders can go to do nothing, with a flurry of highly visible activity-- and the media will cover it in detail, with a straight face, so that people will think that something is actually being done.

There may be televised statements and counter-statements-- passionate debate among people wearing exotic apparel from different nations, all in an impressive, photogenic setting. U.N. resolutions may be voted upon and published to the world. It can be some of the best nothing that money can buy.

Even when United Nations resolutions contain lofty and ringing phrases about the "concerns" of "the international community" or invoke "world opinion"-- or perhaps even warn of "grave consequences"-- none of this is likely to lead any country to do anything that it would not have done otherwise.

Iran, for example, has for years ignored repeated U.N resolutions and warnings against building nuclear facilities that can produce bombs. There is not the slightest reason to believe that they will stop unless they get stopped.

Certainly doing nothing will not stop them-- not even elaborate diplomatic nothing or even presidential international speech-making nothing.

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Flawless Logic
And so painfully true for all who see it happening before our very eyes.




@Susan

With a record like Willard Romney's, well, lets put it this way; When Dr. Sowell made the time to research Romney's past Obama would be on the same level of character with a different upbringing. See for yourself;

Willard Mitt Romney
http://willardromney.blogspot.com/







Iran
The subject of Iran producing nuclear weapons has me worried, but I believed that Israel would just blow the nuclear base up before it became operative and we wouldn't really have to make any elaborate plans or (we could just do our usual 'nothing.') But, now I hear that the UN and the liberals plan to severely sanction Israel if they should do anything to Iran's nuclear capabilities. It's way too late tonight for me to really think, but didn't someone at the UN state that Iran has just as much a right to have nuclear weapons as anyone? Too scary, and our wonderful president has just made fools of all of us out in the Middle East. And, I have a question: did the great Obama, who chastised Americans because we can't speak foreign languages like the Europeans, did he speak French in France? Did Michelle? I'm waiting to find out if they made the rest of us look like Ugly Americans.

Grassroots Can Do Some Thing!
There are so many lawsuits pending against products and foods made in China after their products are imported into the U.S. that it should be all over the news, but it isn't. Toxic products are a violation of health and safety standards in the U.S. - or is China exempt from such U.S. standards?

The media fails to report the overwhelming number of safety and health issues or U.S. lawsuits against products imported from China. For example, Americans were victims of toxic dry wall installed in their homes and baby cribs and products that caused injury or deaths and so forth. Well, the government may do nothing or the media about this serious issue, but the American people can do something. Don't buy food marked made in China until the American people are guaranteed that those products are not health and safety concerns and that China's imports are held to the same health and safety standards as the U.S. corporations. The grassroots must do some thing and protect themselves by forcing the U.S. and China to come up to our safety and health standards -imported toxic products and foods is not an acceptable way to control the population (or dumping toxins in our water), folks.

It is very sad
to hear that the MARIO channel will no longer provide us the entertainment we require.

I liked Sowell's piece, as usual, but I have an alternative thought. Given the negative effects of congressional legislation, presidential orders and SCOTUS decisions in the past few years, I have a proposal. Let's pay the fools to do NOTHING or perhaps offer a bonus for rolling back stupid decisions of the past. Many of our problems are the result of too MUCH doing (stupid laws and decisions) and interference with our lives.

Carter revisited
What do you expect? Obama's arrogance about his ability to convince others to do his bidding will not allow for evaluation of results. In fact, as with all on the left, it's not results that matter, but that they talked about the problem. Dictators love leftist leaders like Obama because they know they will do nothing, but talk.

Obama is nothing more than a Carter re-hash that gave the people of Iran the leaders that oppress them today, by not backing the Shah. Excellent evaluation as usual Dr. Sowell.

Left Angle
"what is your SOLUTION for stopping Iraq and other small nations from having nuclear programs?"

Seems we already took care of that little problem! How about a few well aimed cruise missles at IraN's nuclear facilities; and if they still don't get the message, blockade the country and deny them gasoline and see how long the fanatics remain in charge there! Is that "solution" enough for you? It's NOT that complicated ... it only gets complicated when leftist morons want to dance on the head of a pin!

Gotta love Mr. Sowell
This was a great column: full of truth and belly laughs. Thanks, Mr. Sowell.

Re: A mind is a terrible thing to lose
"Clearly it bothers right wingers a heck of lot than us on the left."

After all, the left is brain-dead already, so a terrorist nuke in their backyard wont be even noticed.

renny
I have the frightening feeling that Sotomayor will be the most conservative nominee Obama will make. Unfortunately, he will probably get to replace another justice before he serves his last day in office. Sotomayor's lack of sense and discretion in her speeches is the least of the problems we will have with her.

Re: A mind is a terrible thing to lose
"Primus: exactly my point if your genius was following the conversation we were talking about why repubs/cons are so "scared" of Iran or S. Korea or little countries having nuclear programs."

Oh my God! Now I am really "scared," when did the South Koreans get the bomb!

The problem with your congentical cousin, NORTH KOREA's Dear Leader, Kim Jong Il, getting a nuke is that "MAD" would not be a deterrence to the "nutjob". After all, a massive US Nuclear Strike on North Korea would hardly change the landscape.

No GM or Chrysler
Bork Sotomayor.

Buy gold.

Write the Sen. more about the *hate crimes* bill which is dying in committee. Keep it from resurrecting.

Kirk lives.

Re: No Peace in our Time
"One line from an early Star Trek TV episode -
I believe it was the one entitled "Gideon" -
Spock says, 'I have to remember that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a disaster'."

"Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank!" - Scotty - "A Taste of Armageddon" Episode

No To The UAW
I just bought an Acura. I thought about a Ford product but then I remembered the unions. I avoid union products where possible.

Re: Hysterical Historians
"KKK offers oxycontin Rush a leadership
position.

"He is going to hand out the hoods at the next Wasilla Hillbilly rally."

The only active politician who is a Klan member is that Democrat US Senator from WV, Robert "The Wizzard" Byrd.

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." -- Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate"

"I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities." -- Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate".

"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time." -- Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001

If you are looking for Kluxers, I suggest you start in the Democrat Party.

Sowell
The smartest man in America.

Goodbye, Mario
We'll miss you...NOT.

But, Dr. Sowell,
they have good intentions while doing nothing. In liberal land, that's all that matters.

Re: Whose Ox is being Gored
"Conservatives never criticise the billions to the banks (they are the Conservatives Rich Masters), but want the hardworking Americans to get stiffed (unions)."

The real unions getting "stiffed" are those teachers in Indiana whose pention fund 100% secured Chrysler bonds are being stolen by the UAW thugs with Obama holding the gun. BTW, it was the Dems who didn't critize the so-called "bailouts" most Republicans are against them, as they are against nationalizing the auto industry.

They are doing something.
They are milking the United States dry.

Retired Geek
I appreciate FORD but have no desire to support the UAW.

TD2008
'Wasilla hillbilly'?

First you need a map and, then, a little history.

Sheesh... You can't even attempt humor with intelligence.

Doing Nothing
One line from an early Star Trek TV episode -
I believe it was the one entitled "Gideon" -
Spock says, "I have to remember that the purpose
of diplomacy is to prolong a disaster."

Boycott Obama Motors - Chrysler

Do not buy or lease any Chrysler automobiles.

Do not rent any Chrysler cars from any rental agency.

Hit the UAW and Barack Obama in the pocketbook.

Boycott Obama Motors

Do not buy or lease any General Motors automobiles.

Do not rent any General Motors cars from any rental agency.

nothing
Mr Sowell.....you rock !!!
Won't you please run for president.

TD2008

Go fetch me a Mint Julep with shaved ice and make sure that you do not sully your white houseboy's jacket.

Chop-Chop!

KKK offers oxycontin Rush a leadership
position.

He is going to hand out the hoods at the next Wasilla Hillbilly rally.

Tucker Carlson on Newt:
"Who else does the GOP have?"

LOL - that's some endorsement

losers!

Said it all--
Yes the good conservative bloggers and fans of Dr. Sowell have said it all. Score-Good Conservatives 48, Trolls and Libs-0.
Another great column.
Note: Winning teams never make excuses, but we know who does..... That is why in the final analysis, the Conservatives will be the Winners.

Old?
Age and treachery will always defeat youth and strength.

Boycott GM, Delphi & Platinum Equity
Delphi Corp., the largest supplier to General Motors Corp., said it has reached a deal to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The plan includes selling Delphi's remaining operations to a Los Angeles-based private equity firm, Platinum Equity, which has lined up commitments of $3.6 billion to finance the operations, including $2 billion from General Motors.


Meanwhile, where are all investigative reporters that during Republican Administrations write in-depth articles on the homeless? With foreclosures continuing to skyrocket despite Obama's mortgage bailouts, you just have to know that the numbers of homeless must be staggering.


Hasta la vista, Mario
"That means that soon I will no longer come to this blog."

There is plenty of blame to go around for the collapse of GM & Chrysler, but chief among them is a refusal to innovate by mgmt and the weight of labor (unions). You can't pay people to be idle for 2 years, pay workers in closed plants, pay white collar wages to people in semi-skilled positions, halt innovative manufacturing techniques because it may cost some jobs and hope to stay sound.

We'll miss you Mario, but don't let the door hit you ....

HEY PROUD AMERICAN DEMOCRAT!
How's the Kool-aid? Is it good? Mercy Heavens, son, you need some help! UAW and government were the two left standing in OBama's Chrysler plan. If you take the billions OBama poured into Chrysler as a return favor to the UAW for their votes, it would have been cheaper for the tax payer if he'd just handed each of them a hugh severence check. Your UAW is the problem, not the solution.

Speaking of Nothing
There is "nothing" in the liberal lexicon that has any substance. It is full of nothings; nothing of value, nothing that will produce results, nothing but hot air and nasty rhetoric. And then they complain when we have nothing nice to say about them.


BOYCOTT SALEM COMMUNICATIONS
Boycott Salem Communications.

They gave banks billions (started under GWB) and then slowly pushed GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy. Conservatives never criticise the billions to the banks (they are the Conservatives Rich Masters), but want the hardworking Americans to get stiffed (unions). Their complin about universal healthcare is that we will have government between us and doctors. Guess what, right now we have insurers and HMO's between us and doctors. These people are in it for profit, talk about keeping you away from your doctor. Insurers deny claims but the bus loads every day.

Hugh Hewitt calls for a Boycott on GM and Chrysler to screw the American worker but no boycott of rich banks. AMERICANS WE MUST BOYCOTT SALEM COMMUNICATIONS. The owners of TH and many Right wing racist radio stations. Lets hurt them where they'll feel it. That means that soon I will no longer come to this blog. I urge anyone who care about American workers to do so as well. BOYCOTT SALEM COMMUNICATIONS!

Mario

Left Angle is really
the Obamas new lapdog, what a dolt..... Cheers


Ouck Fbama

The Rhetoric of Nothing
Mr. (or Dr.?) Sowell,
Your message is very serious, and very sad. But I couldn't help but smile at your gifted use of the word "Nothing." And you are so right. Doing Nothing is very dangerous.

Left Angle
Your head is so far up your anus that i won't even respond to your stupid posts, your intellectual capacity is obviously diminished by your small brain size. Your lack of understanding of world affairs is scary. Go home little boy and cry to your messiah. Lenin wouldn't even want you you are a useless idiot. Cheers




Ouck Fbama

Amazing to watch people ignore this
St. Denis In Obama's Red America writes:
6:06 PM EST
The Paper Hangers Have Run Amok - II
UNDERSTAND THIS: Debt monetization has NEVER, EVER worked. The infection injected by the government corrupts the entire system and the currency collapses.
=======================
Its coming, its planned the people are supporting our own demise and collapse, STUPIDLY

Dr. Sowell nails it! (As usual)
It takes true genius to teach such profound lessons of wisdom using such simple examples. Keep up the good work! We need more like the good doctor!

Listen to Michael Savage
radio

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/category.asp?C=149757

The Paper Hangers Have Run Amok - II
UNDERSTAND THIS: Debt monetization has NEVER, EVER worked. The infection injected by the government corrupts the entire system and the currency collapses.


Do yourself these three favors: Study the Weimar Government, read about Mugabe's Zimbabwe, and buy gold coins, which cannot be seized by the government because the coinage has intrinsic value, as FDR learned.


"The surest way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency." - Vladimir Lenin

The Paper Hangers Have Run Amok - I
Because of Washington's spending, the Treasury is having to borrow $150bn a month. It has brought back some discontinued paper and increased sales of bonds from every quarter to each month.

They are selling 2, 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, and 30 year bonds EVERY month.

China has already opted to purchase only short-term paper, namely, 3 year bonds. It has asked the IMF, if the International Monetary Fund would sell all of its gold. If it buys bonds tomorrow and Thursday, it will demand a much higher interest rate. Anyone that has a mortgage, a line of credit, a car loan, a student loan or uses credit cards will likely see an explosion in interest rates in the next 2 years. If you think that you are out of the woods because you don't owe any money or use credit, beware. The hyperinflation will hurt you even if you use cash because everyone in the chain of commerce will be paying higher interest rates.

The Federal Reserve has printed $2tn since November and will inject more than (an additional) $2tn in worthless Monopoly money into the system before the end of the year.

The WH wants to paper the country with stimulus funds, but in doing so, even more capital will be in the cash system.

The Federal Reserve has been engaging in "quantitative easing", which is another feel-good name for debt monetization. Helicopter Ben Bernanke and Timothy Geithner will expand the monetization.

How does monetization work? It starts from this point: There are not enough lenders to buy your credit. So, the government falls into a contraction trap because the spineless do not want the economy to sink further since this would not bode well for the sitting government. To avoid contraction, the Federal Reserve buys the paper of the Treasury using Monopoly money. More spending is done by the government, again using Monopoly money which infects the entire economy.

"Scared", Left Angle?

Sorry... you got it wrong again.

Perhaps you never learned the axiom, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?

If N. Korea or Iran is prevented TODAY instead of after they've gotten the capability, I wonder how many potential innocent lives might be saved?

I'd advocate preemptive action to a response after the fact any day of the week - even if it saved only YOUR life.

Do you liberals ever stop to think about what emotion the 3,000 who perished on 9/11 might have been having had they known in advance their fate? Do you think they'd have been advocates for fighting terrorism more vociferously during the Clinton era?

BTW, if you want to be taken more seriously as someone worthy of an intellectual debate, learn to use your "CAPS" key and Spell-Check.

Otherwise, you just appear "unedjumacated".

"lmao"

Left Angle
If Iran or N. Korea smuggled a nuke into the u.s. and ingnited it within seconds to an hour they would be blown off the face of the earth by the u.s it would be the end of their existence on earth. practically every Korean or Iranian in the u.s would be rounded up and executed.

So therefore anyone who would actually do such a thing would have the extermination of their country and countrymen on their backs if they should be so stupid.
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Left Angle, you presume that the tyrant in Iran wants to live, which there is absolutely no evidence for. Jihad is what they live for, dying in the service of their God is a one way ticket to heaven. Do not make that mistake. Second mistake is to assume that BHO would retaliate, NK has pretty well called his bluff already.

Primus: exactly my point
if your genius was following the conversation
we were talking about why repubs/cons are so
"scared" of Iran or S. Korea or little countries having nuclear programs.

Clearly it bothers right wingers a heck of lot than us on the left.

the question was then put what if either smuggled one into the u.s. and detonated it.
I said exactly what I think would happen.
you have not disproved nothing I said would not happen in response.

furhermore I said I dont think either countrie would be stupid enough to try it. no what matter what the means of delivery.

you didnt answer the question...if a nuke was detonated in the u.s. WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN IN RESPONSE?

Left Angle "opines":
"well over half of americans blamed 9-11-01 on Sadaam Hussien and Iraq."
-----

If that is true (got some research?), then you can thank you leftists and media lapdogs for manufacturing a politically expedient lie from thin air - or have you forgotten the votes of the members of your own party leading up to the Iraq conflict?

I'm bored with you now, Left Angle. You are a cliche' which I can find on Kos or HuffPo anytime.

Left Angle responds:
"The U.S. has a very advanced vast intelligence organization, so if someone was so brilliant as to smuggle a nuke into the u.s. and actually explode it, WHO do you think the primary suspects would be?"
-----

Pardon me?

Is this the same "advanced vast intelligence organization" who you liberals claim manufactured evidence of WMDs in Iraq?

The same organization Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims "lies all the time"?

You see, Left Angle - you libsquirts don't get to have it both ways, although your hypocrisy demands that you try.

And can't you just imagine if Obama unleashed a full nuclear retaliation on either N. Korea or Iran based upon such intelligence?

Do you think Communist China or Russia would just sit back and applaud our efforts?

Would you support such a response? How about if it were President Bush instead of Obama?


The next time you want to debate - don't come unarmed to a battle of wits, son.

Primus Shock and Awe...
oh no I am not confused at all..well over half of americans blamed 9-11-01 on Sadaam Hussien and Iraq...no doubt so did former prez bush and practically every repub/con in the u.s. I will never forget the day Sadaam Hussien was captured by u.s. forces...The headlines screamed:

WE GOT HIM!!!!

The attack on Iraq was indeed a response to 9-11-01 by so-called "stateless terrorist"? oh heck yeah..lmao

sheepdog1

Yes - and "Left Angle" is neck-in-neck with Mario at the finish line!

Primus more brilliance..
The U.S. has a very advanced vast intelligence organization, so if someone was so brilliant as to smuggle a nuke into the u.s. and actually
explode it, WHO do you think the primary suspects would be?

PAD
"Blame your betters", i.e, people that work, think, read and do math.

I never said one word about race. You brought that up. Still have issues about it?

You claim the name Mario, is that Hispanic? Would you be a white Hispanic, black Hispanic, Native American Hispanic or Asian Hispanic?

I don't, and never have, cared about race. The remark about blaming your betters is just that, better mentally, better physically, better at supporting my family, better at just about everything.

Every time I am called a racist or a bigot by a statist thug or stooge, I know I have won the argument and the opponent has taken refuge in the last argument of the incompetent.

Try again, tomorrow.

Left Angle asks:
"so please explain why the U.S. attacked IRAQ in response to 9-11-01 which was done by "stateless terrorists"?
-----

Simple, Left Angle.

We didn't...

Perhaps you've forgotten the Al-Queda supporting Taliban in Afghanistan?

And did we respond in "seconds to an hour"?

Gee - you must be confused. Or, you get your news from MSNBC & CNN.

"lmao"

Primus/SFA/Russ et.al
The only good thing about Mario, is that he is proving beyond a shadow of doubt what the definition of the term "Useful Idiot" means.

Primus your stupidity...
so please explain why the U.S. attacked IRAQ in response to 9-11-01 which was done by "stateless
terrorists"?

lmao

Mario
"This is too easy, you guys got nothing but "hope'. your boring me. Let me go see if theres any more challenging posters on Malkins site. Be back in a little while to school you ignorant individuals. "

If you want to increase the challenge, try not ignoring the posts you don't have a ready clipping from Huffpo to answer with. Could the reason that you're going to Malkin's thread be because no one's posted there since yesterday morning? That somehow doesn't seem like much of a challenge either.

primus54: to be honest with you
I really dont care you think about me. you got it all backwards..I dont come here to "serve a
purpose for liberalism"..I am not a spokesman for the democratic party or for socialism.
I speak for myself alone.

I come her primarily out of curiousity and entertainment from people that dont think as
I do. trying to understand the logic or illogic behind how they formulate their political positions...in a word its called: opposition research.

The stupidity of Left Angle on display..
"If Iran or N. Korea smuggled a nuke into the u.s. and ingnited it within seconds to an hour they would be blown off the face of the earth by the u.s."
-----

My God, Left Angle... are you really that much of a moron to think either North Korea or Iran - as a nation-state - would attempt such an act?

Earth to Left Angle! No, you idiot. They would supply them to "stateless" terrorists to do their dirty-work.

So... who would WE nuke then (within seconds to an hour), genius?

Wow! The absolute inability for you leftists to have a molecule of critical thinking skills demonstrates every day why we've got a complete zero occupying the White House.

Pitiful Amazing Dumba**
Copying and pasting the same inane, insane; idiotic, illogical, ill-conceived gibberish can hardly be considered schooling anything.

BTW, can't answer a simple question, or is it too complex for your simplest mind?

Duck & run, Mario.

The day you've got anything to elevate your comments to even a high school level of thinking will be the day the sun rises in the west.

You (and Shorts, Left Angle, and Hal Donahue) are a caricature of liberalism and serve as perfect ambassadors for the conservative movement.

No doubt - you perform the opposite function for which you intend here at Townhall.

But that is so typical of leftists - complete ignorance of the rule of unintended consequences.

Yep - PLEASE show up on the Malkin thread and post some more of your "wisdom".

David: Reality
If Iran or N. Korea smuggled a nuke into the u.s. and ingnited it within seconds to an hour they would be blown off the face of the earth by the u.s it would be the end of their existence on earth. practically every Korean or Iranian in the u.s would be rounded up and executed.

So therefore anyone who would actually do such a thing would have the extermination of their country and countrymen on their backs if they should be so stupid.

Left Angle
" dont see why you repubs/cons feel so threatened by the N. Koreas or Irans of the world. The USA alone could anihilate and remove these countries from the face of the earth in a matter of minutes to an hour if they wanted to.


So what is the big deal?

What you say is true but do you really think that if North Korea developed the technology to deliver an ICBM to any city in the US they would not be afraid to use it? Just because we have the deterrent, doesn't mean there not afraid of using it. Are you willing to take that risk?

David
Still waiting! I'm sure you'll get around to it. Conservatives never LIE!, Yeah right

Mario

Conservatives have HOPE for CHANGE!
Are you going to tell the Europeans i.e France, Germany, and England that there a bunch of idiots to for electing conservatives to office and putting the Socialists out on there behind?
Maybe that they saw socialism for what it was worth.

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Lets see, our latest elections were last November, Democrats gained more seats in both houses and won the presidency. Those are facts, not hypotheticals on what may happen in 2010 or 2012. Facts. I guess americans told you guys, No more extremism here. So talk to me about what you "hope" will happen. I just told you what DID happen here. Sucks to be you!

Mario

This is too easy, you guys got nothing but "hope'. your boring me. Let me go see if theres any more challenging posters on Malkins site. Be back in a little while to school you ignorant individuals.

David just a reminder
and dems still control

The White House

The U.S. House of Representatives

The U.S. Senate

The majority of Governorships of U.S. states.

David
Mario
I only wish there had been some real conservatives in the last 20 years. We have had one Democrat and 2 very moderate if not liberal Repubs. We would not be in this mess we are in had true conservatives been in charge. Alas you are not capable of looking past the blinders of your hate and recognizing that.

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True Conservative? Like say...... Ronald Reagan.

Doulbled the national debt.

Gave illegals amnesty.

Expanded EITC, giving refunds to those who pay no taxes (or so you guys say)

Raised Payroll taxes on the poor and middle class, while lowering them for the rich.

You mean a Conservative like him?

Mario

Smug
LA,I dont see why you repubs/cons feel so threatened by the N. Koreas or Irans of the world. The USA alone could anihilate and remove these countries from the face of the earth in a matter of minutes to an hour if they wanted to.


So what is the big deal?

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Well let me see, where to start. Iran, the chief exporter of terrorism with nuclear weapons, that does not bother you, really. you must live in BFE. A mushroom cloud over NYC or Washington DC, or Dallas or LA should be a spectre that chills you. You can doubt their ability if you choose to smuggle one into the country but never doubt their desire.
Apparently the drug smugglers are still finding ways to smuggle their drugs in cause last time I checked there was still a drug problem, so maybe they could hire the drug guys to smuggle a nuke in and pop it in your neighborhood!

Mario
" bet Americans are done with your Conservative extremism"

Are you going to tell the Europeans i.e France, Germany, and England that there a bunch of idiots to for electing conservatives to office and putting the Socialists out on there behind?
Maybe that they saw socialism for what it was worth.

David
Mario
Give me your fax number I will send mine.

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954-499-0583. Local business. Lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Dont say you did it, do it. Knowing your a Conservative you'll lie about it. typical. Adress it to welder, they'll make sure i get it.

Mario

Tick tock, Tick tock, tic tock...........

Sheepdog: On Small Nations w/ Nukes..
It really doesnt bother me that much. Let them have a nuclear program. I don't feel threatened by them at all nor do I feel any moral superiorty to tell them not to aspire to have a nuclear program. The USA has every weapon known to man conventional and unconventional so how do you justify the hypoccrisy of that?


I dont see why you repubs/cons feel so threatened by the N. Koreas or Irans of the world. The USA alone could anihilate and remove these countries from the face of the earth in a matter of minutes to an hour if they wanted to.


So what is the big deal?

Mario
"We will see about that. You have a nice wish list but its just your imagination. Dont forget Tedesco's defeat in NY-20 recently. Time will tell. I bet Americans are done with your Conservative extremism.

Mario "


Mario, my enumerated list was no wish list

NY senate is now Republican
CA voted down all tax hikes
Europe stunningly repudiated the left
Obamas numbers have dropped 28 pts since Nov.
Stimulus pkg has failed- Obama promised un-employment less than 8% if he got the stimulus pkg, now 9.4% failed!

SFA1973, good question for Mario...
... in your 4:02 PM.

Mario writes: "I have lived under Communists in Cuba for 12 years."

If that is true - then it must have been Mario's first 12 years of life, because any ADULT who lived under Castro would have a totally different ideology than he expresses here.

The first thing to go under ANY Communist regime (or Islamic fundamentalists, or Nazis, et-al) is individual liberty - which is a guiding principle of American conservatism.

Apparently, Mario cannot get past "labels" and look beneath them.

sheepdog1
"You and I have something in common (well more than one) were both military brats and service veterans. My dad retired in 1980 as a CMsgt with 26 years AD and two tours of duty in SEA.
I retired in Oct 06 after 26 years (6 years ADAF and 20 years in the AFRES. I salute you and your dad for your service to our country.
BTW-Thanks for pointing out the fact that Mario called it the Air Force test. Thats why I pulled the BS flag on him. Anyone who had kids in the military or who were assoicated with it, would have known that."

You're welcome, and thank you and your dad also. My dad also did a tour in 'Nam. BTW, although my experience doesn't speak for the entire military, I only met one dyed in the wool liberal the entire time I was in.

Mario
I only wish there had been some real conservatives in the last 20 years. We have had one Democrat and 2 very moderate if not liberal Repubs. We would not be in this mess we are in had true conservatives been in charge. Alas you are not capable of looking past the blinders of your hate and recognizing that.

Mario
"If you dont like someones politics you aim to suppress it. democrats do not do that"

LMFAO....You can't be serious. Show me one shred of evidence that conservatives want to suppress political speech. I can show you one thing liberals are doing to suppress free speech...It's called the Fairness Doctrine...You know the one where you liberals (and some RINOs) want to take the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity et.al off the airwaves simply becuase the expose the truth of what the Democratic party and the liberal agenda is all about. You know every time you post, your beginning to look more and more like a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest. BTW-you keep referring to conservatives as Taliban. Apparently you don't have clue about what the word means otherwise you wouldn't be using it.
Taliban according to Wikipedia means "student of Islam" nothing more nothing less.

David
Obamas numbers are falling and the stimulus package has already failed. If I was Mario I would stop the bluster.

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We will see about that. You have a nice wish list but its just your imagination. Dont forget Tedesco's defeat in NY-20 recently. Time will tell. I bet Americans are done with your Conservative extremism.

Mario

David
Obamas numbers are falling and the stimulus package has already failed. If I was Mario I would stop the bluster.

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We will see about that. You have a nice wish list but its just your imagination. Dont forget Tedesco's defeat in NY-20 recently. Time will tell. I bet Americans are done with your Conservative extremism.

Mario

And lying
is what you do second best, after cutting and pasting the same inane, insane, idiotic, illogical, and ill conceived gibberish.

Mario responds:
"I am not trying to prove anything, i am just making all this up for entertainment purposes."
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Yep - thought so...

Mario
Give me your fax number I will send mine.

Evil Conservatives
If Mario has a long form DD-214 in his name, he could scan and email a copy to GunnyG.

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I am not trying to prove anything, i am just making all this up for entertainment purposes. That should clear that up.

BTW: So many of you seem to be ex military, you wouldnt mind faxing your papers, oh that changes things doesnt it.

Dont forget its just a lie.

Mario

sheepdog1

Thanks for the kudos - and yes, I'm well aware there are more issues than just a budget - but, in a way, that's the point.

If our national leaders were focused only on that which our Constitution delineates as the Federal role of government - there would be a helluva lot less for them to do.

Ever hear the story about the office worker who created his own title with literally no job description - but within a couple of years had his own staff and was considered "indispensable"?

That is what career politicians have become.

Cheers!

Pitiful Amazing Dumba**
Then why do you embrace Fidel's policies?

Russ
"It's one thing to post your Huffington Posts Lies here, but really quite another to post this insult and lie about a veteran and former military brat (for all you like Mario who are unfamiliar with the military, a brat is a child of an active duty member). Even though you post lies and did not thank any of us, you're still welcome. I asked you last week which Air Force test your son was taking, because the test for the enlisted folks is the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB), which is for all branches, not just the AF.

You and I have something in common (well more than one) were both military brats and service veterans. My dad retired in 1980 as a CMsgt with 26 years AD and two tours of duty in SEA.
I retired in Oct 06 after 26 years (6 years ADAF and 20 years in the AFRES. I salute you and your dad for your service to our country.
BTW-Thanks for pointing out the fact that Mario called it the Air Force test. Thats why I pulled the BS flag on him. Anyone who had kids in the military or who were assoicated with it, would have known that.

Evil Conservatives
GunnyG
I'm raising the BS flag on Marios last post @15:10. Almost all the people I met on active duty whose parents were liberals, never had a good relationship with their parents afterward. They basically became persona non grata with their parents. Although I can't prove that what he says is true, why would anyone like him who talks about how bad this country is let his kids join the military is beyond me.

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You put words in my mouth. I have always said this is the greatest country in the world. I have lived under Communists in Cuba for 12 years. The closest i've seen this country to that was under the GWB administration. You guys only know of communism on paper, I lived it. Your side behaves just like the Commies. If you dont like someones politics you aim to suppress it. democrats do not do that. It is because of all the Extreme Conservatives accross the world and right here we have all the problems we do. Taliban (Conservatives), Islamic terrorists (Conservatives), Republicans (Conservatives). Conservatives are behind all the evil in this world! So get off your high horse and wake up!

Mario

PS: You guys are "better" than no one.

SFA1973-GunnyG-HJake-SDog-Others
DINOSUAR twice?!?!?! OOPS! LMAO!

Very informative site:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

Mario writes:
"Bottom line is i could fax you my discharge papers and that would not be enough for you."
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Those who have served know that anyone trying to "prove" their service would have likely written, "DD-214", NOT "discharge papers".

If Mario has a long form DD-214 in his name, he could scan and email a copy to GunnyG.

Knowing GunnyG to be a stand-up guy, he'd come right on these threads and admit to being wrong.

How about it, Mario? Up to the challenge?

Primus54
"In an ideal America, farmers, factory workers, doctors and small businessmen and women would run for office, get elected, temporarily reside in D.C. long enough to pass a budget - and be back to their real lives in very short order.

There would be no such thing as a "career politician".

The longer I'm alive, the more I believe we need term limits for ALL elected officials.

Excellent idea. Sort of what they do with the state legislatures. Most of them have jobs when there not in session. Unfortunatly it couldn't happen in the real world because there are plenty of other issues to deal with other than passing a budget.. But it was a great post nonetheless.

SFA1973-GunnyG-HJake-SDog-Others
For all of the Liberal Trolls BAAAAA’ing about they are young, hip, fresh, etc. They trot out the DINOSUAR Media (NYT, WAPO, LAT, etc), the DINOSUAR Senators (KKK Byrd, Swimmer Kennedy, Anus Sphincter, Mr. Theresa Kerry-Heinz) and DINOSAUR policies (New Deal, Great Society). These Syph Ridden, Drug Addled, Leftover Hippie, Liberals have the Mental Acuity of a starfish.

GunnyG
I'm raising the BS flag on Marios last post @15:10. Almost all the people I met on active duty whose parents were liberals, never had a good relationship with their parents afterward. They basically became persona non grata with their parents. Although I can't prove that what he says is true, why would anyone like him who talks about how bad this country is let his kids join the military is beyond me.

Pendulum Swings
I am amazed at the people like Mario always predicting the imminent demise of conservatism, with critical thinking skills like that it is a wonder he can turn on the computer. These cycles of left to right and back have always been with us and especially with our adversarial political system (that's the 2 party system for you Mario) it will continue as such. The pendulum swings to and fro as they say. The right will return and if Europe this week is any indicator and the vote in CA 2 weeks ago, also the takeover of the NY senate, it may be very soon. Obamas numbers are falling and the stimulus package has already failed. If I was Mario I would stop the bluster.

To old sw
So why don't you quit? You sound very burned out. You seem to hate your job, your clients, and your profession. Make a career change. Don't you suppose that your horrible attitude is coming through loud and clear to the people you are paid to serve? Or maybe you are just hanging on for a secure income and a state pension? If so, how about sharing that bit of truth with your conservative buddies on TH? Because I don't see that your position is philosophically different from that of the politician who bleeds his district and constituents for personal gain---he's on the job for what he can get out of it, and to hell with the people.

Daniel Hannan's Latest Attack On Brown

He uses a play on Dr. Seuss' words to tell PM Gordon Brown to step down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE

"Varieties of Nothing"... great title.

I've always loved the congressional campaigns where the party out of power accuses the other of being a "do-nothing Congress".

I pray for the day that we have several sessions of "do-nothing" Congresses.

Every time these politicians put pen to paper, we lose another liberty or another dollar.

In an ideal America, farmers, factory workers, doctors and small businessmen and women would run for office, get elected, temporarily reside in D.C. long enough to pass a budget - and be back to their real lives in very short order.

There would be no such thing as a "career politician".

The longer I'm alive, the more I believe we need term limits for ALL elected officials.


Lilly
And he should be commended for it every day.

GunnyG
PAD aka Mario
Why are you lying about having sons in the service?

pathetic.

What happened? They booted you under mario?

What a limp noodle.

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I'm lying just as much as you are lying about your 4 generations of military service. But hey according to you everything i say is a lie, i really dont care what you or any other Conservatives think. In the past when i mentioned my own service i provided all my information only to be told i was getting my info from someone else or whatever other crap you guys said. Bottom line is i could fax you my discharge papers and that would not be enough for you. You extremists think you are the only ones who serve, after all you are our "betters", arent you?

Mario

Lilly
As if the NYT is unbiased when it comes to Clarence Thomas.

The Useless Nonentity
I will now renew my irregular call to evict the Epitome of Uselessness from our land and lease the complex at 42nd and 1st to:

TownHall, Rush Limbaugh, the NRA, Palin/Tancredo 2012, and any other conservative action group out there for about a buck a year each.

I'll Vouch For Left Angle

Left Angle HAS served.

He served cookies to the Lavender Brigade in the Castro District.

Mario
"You should be ashamed for hating the US soldiers so much!"

It's one thing to post your Huffington Posts Lies here, but really quite another to post this insult and lie about a veteran and former military brat (for all you like Mario who are unfamiliar with the military, a brat is a child of an active duty member). Even though you post lies and did not thank any of us, you're still welcome. I asked you last week which Air Force test your son was taking, because the test for the enlisted folks is the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB), which is for all branches, not just the AF.

Long Article About Sowell
There was a long article comparing Sowell and Sotomayor in Sunday's NYT. Probably can be googled---title is "For Sotomayor and Thomas, Paths Fork at Race and Identity", authors Jodi Kantor and David Gonzales. Both came from humble backgrounds but were very smart and got into good schools on Affirmative Action programs. Both found themselves the object of stereotyping eg "if you got in on Affirmative Action you probably are stupid". They handled the situation differently, and that's what the article is about. Thomas, who knew he was smart, was understandably enraged at this non-welcome and took it as a huge narcissistic wound, so he's been getting even ever since by trying to destroy Affirmative Action.

Talk
In everyday parlance, talk is cheap.

In international diplomacy and criminal justice, talk is worthless. And the law of diminishing returns even comes into effect. The more you talk, the less seriously you are taken, and the more time the bad guys have to do what ever it is you're talking at them about.

GunnyG-Sheepdog
Irony = Moronio the Cross Dresser expounding on the Lunacy of others.

The Left cares more about criminals...
As always, the left care more about criminals than ordinary law abiding citizens who happen to want to protect themselves.

Burglarizing someone's home, ah, that's just normal human behavior for the poor and oppressed? But if you hold a fake gun on a burglar, wow, what kind of evil person would do THAT!

The Brits are pathetic. Unfortunately, we are not far behind.

Conservative Lunacy will be exposed!
It will be so funny in 8 years when the next president is sworn in (2012 will be another Dem Year). and Obama stands there at the lawful inauguration of the next president. And all the crap you fools are talking about communism takeover or whatever the current Conservative conspiracy of the week then will be, proved the false lunacy it is. The next president will be sworn in and real americans will ask of you extremists; What happened Conservatives? Why did none of your Conspiray theories pan out? You will have no answer.

Mario

sheepdog1
Left Angle doesn't care WHO rules us, as long as a few crumbs are sent his way.

From Samuel Adams to Left Angle:

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

Enough said.

CHECK OUT
Comrade Maobama bobbong for bling under Faud's robes.

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/06/04/now_this_i s_change_we_can_believe_in!.thtml

The first US potus to BOW to a foreign ruler. Figures it would be a libscumbag.

Left Angle
"what is your SOLUTION for stopping Iraq and other small nations from having nuclear programs? "

If I had to guess, your solution would be to take the "Neville Chamberlin guide to everlasting Peace" approach. You know when somebody threatens you with annihilation, just give them anything they want and they'll leave you alone. Well what did we get out of that? 50 million dead and Europe and Japan left in a shambles and thousands of brave American soldiers buried in far away places. I'd say thats a pretty high price to pay for someone who never really wanted peace to begin with. You can try that approach with North Korea or Iran but chances are the results will still be same. Only this time 50 million dead will seem like a drop in the bucket if we let these maniacs get what they want.

THIS JUST IN
1320 day, 20 hours, and 37 minutes until Comrade Zero ousted by Cheney/Palin!

Left Angle
So 2 Flaming Liberals KNOW what Conservatives have "in motion". IF you learn to read, learn what IF means as in "IF we were evil we would have already started to organize, bear our arms and begun to slaughter your kind wholesale." What a MAROON! I bet you have to study to pass a blood test.

PAD aka Mario
Why are you lying about having sons in the service?

pathetic.

What happened? They booted you under mario?

What a limp noodle.

GunnyG:
You are assuming Lost Anus ever served in anything other than the Bluebirds.

PAD
I will curious if your kids are indoctrinated as they go through their military training?

Left Angle
I asked for specific examples on how YOU were brainwashed on active duty, not an appeal to emotion or a strawman argument.

Hard up
Mario
Lives in a fantasy world where Democrats actually care for people and then blames conservatives for all the ills of the world....

What a freakin' laugh riot, you are!!! Leftist. statist, free lunch, envious Democrats ARE the root of all evil, yet you blame your betters...

Hilarious!

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"blame your betters" I always knew you were a white supremacist, this proves it. You may be better than horse manure but i doubt it. At least horse manure can serve a purpose. You are a useless parasite.

Mario

PAD
If that's true, one, kudos on them. Two, you're on the wrong side. Three, I suggest you research how the left treats the military starting with one Congcritter Andrew May (D-PA).

Georgetwin responding in kind..
one of your very repub/cons brethren said this to mario:

"I dont speak for everyone but I dont hate you and as a conservative I can tell you flat out we're not evil. You see IF we were evil we would have already started to organize, bear our arms and begun to slaughter your kind wholesale. There are probably 25-30 MILLION guys just like me."

I dont have a problem with that because it already is in motion by jepubs/cons..I'm just sayin if you think we will sit there and let you do that you are sadly mistaken and overconfident. it will be your downfall, beleive me.

Proud American Democrat
Mario,
You couldnt find 20 of your so called "Patriotic Americans" if you had a decade. I dont belong to any group or militia like some folks I know but they are monsters and NO LIBs could stand in thier way. Your kind would wimper and cry for the police/military to protect you like they always do. As for my capabilities, well I am nothing compared to them.

I also have no moral "high ground" but only stand for freedom and capitalism, 2 things you either forgot or never cared about. No this admin will crumble under its own miserable failure but you never know when you might have to really stand up for your beliefs. I'm ready when ever your kind are.

Left Angle
we are confident in our ability to defend ourselves with or without them.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I was a mere PFC when I B*TCHSLAPPED my first hippie in Dago during a Dianne Feinstein rally.

I made him cry like a little girl.

You libsquirts could not fight your way out of a thick fog. Even the MILITARY is standing against you., i.e., the Oathkeepers.

but by ALL MEANS, please feel free to bring words to a gun fight.

GunnyG
Mario
If Conservatives hate the military, then why is the military stuanchly conservative?

"Thats what Conservative Media says" My sources in the military say that is a load of BS.

BTW, my daughter leaves for boot camp in August. The fourth generation of CONSERVATIVES to serve this nation, going back to WW1.

"If you really want to have a pis$ing contest.
I have one son in Afghanistan, (Marine) and one boy in Iraq (Army)."

And my son is in JROTC in HS!

"My youngest boy is preparing for the airforce test as we speak!"

My youngest boy
Hell, HE has more military experience than your boy, the Thug-in-Chief!


Leftist Angle
"oh we know more than you think"

If you liberals knew a tenth of what you think you know, God would be out of a job.

Lost Anus:
I don't believe I have ever state if I do or do not own any weapons.

So there you go again making an a** of yourself.

gunnyg come on dude
you know as well as i do that there are a great many reasons people enlist in the military other than patriotic duty...the military even recruits that way amd you can not tell me that everyone who goes thru the process OF MILITARY INDOCTRINATI once enlisted buys into that unless you are that weakminded.

Remember When?
How many U.N. Resolutions were directed toward Iraq and Hussein before American invasion? The import of the U.N. is a matter of humanistic convenience. The subjective relevance of the U.N. is the utility for the God hating humanist.

We, the majority of citizens and their representatives, are at fault. We host the U.N. and give it legitimacy along with the bulk of it's operating budget.

Get ready for Israel to DO something special for Iran in the face of America and the U.N.

Meanwhile, former Pres. Bush and V.P. Cheney can be blamed for setting precedent when it happens offering further absolution for the U.N. and it's lemmings.

Mario
"You really think that we will roll over for you. You will be met by Patriotic Americans supplying your 20-30 miliion with cold hard lead. You assume that you hold some moral high ground, just like the confederacy assumed, you do not. They paid for that as will you and your buddies. make a move if you are man enough."

Thank you for the best laugh of the day. Sorry little boy but the left consists of girlymen like you and your wimpy potus.

Why do you think the word metrosexual was coined? To cover you libs. Sarah Palin shots, guts, and skins her kills, your boy Maobama once got in a fight in school where he scratched the other boy and pulled his hair.

Lincoln he ain't


GunnyG-Russ-SFA1973-Thomas-David-Others
Notice how we are being threatened with murder by Tolerant, Inclusive, Liberals?

On Mario and Tupeorsueño
It's pointless to respond to these brain-dead jackasses--their idiocy stands on its own as a shining example of what passes for liberal "thought" these days.

Every time Dr. Sowell takes a crap, he flushes away more intellect than these two clowns will ever know.

sfa, oh we know more than you think
and if you so much tread on us you will find out. without a doubt.

the difference between libs and cons on weapons is we see no need to brag, thump our chest, or telegraph our moves on them.

A weapon is what it is for a dem/lib not an extension of our manhood. we are confident in our ability to defend ourselves with or without them.

Left Angle
"military indoctrination includes brainwashing by propaganda, it's standard m.o."

Really? Please elaborate where you were brainwashed while on active duty.

Left Angle
if indeed that is true I wouls suspect that
"military indoctrination" has a lot to do with it. if you catch my drift.

Please elaborate on "your drift" using all of the wisdom gained in your years of military service.

Because as I saw it, coming in during Karter, the libs contantly undercut us while the GOP, especially under Reagan, funded us and gave us the tools to do our job.

Lost Anus
Exactly which branch did you serve in, the Bluebirds?

Thomas
You see IF we were evil we would have already started to organize, bear our arms and begun to slaughter your kind wholesale. There are probably 25-30 MILLION guys just like me. We work hard and don't think our money should be STOLEN to bail out USELESS unions. We dont think our money should be yanked out of our hands to fund a disastarous Obamacare health system.

You be the first to know when we get evil. I used to dread it BUT now I am not so sure.

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You really think that we will roll over for you. You will be met by Patriotic Americans supplying your 20-30 miliion with cold hard lead. You assume that you hold some moral high ground, just like the confederacy assumed, you do not. They paid for that as will you and your buddies. make a move if you are man enough.

Mario

Left Angle
"dems/libs own, carry and use guns also."

Yep, all three of you.

SFA1973 oh really...
military indoctrination includes brainwashing by propaganda, it's standard m.o.

Lost Anus
And someday they may even figure out how to load them, and which end to point downrange.

Thomas
You be the first to know when we get evil. I used to dread it BUT now I am not so sure.

Exactly. Small wonder that gun sales SOARED after Barry Soetoro was selected. Ammo is SCARCE!

Thank God I reload.

Barry Hussein Obumbler - NRA Gun Salesman of the year, 2008.

Russ hates our soldiers
Kindly site a credible source that shows a presidential pardon for GWB. His 'cronies'?
This is my cite for the exact opposite. GWB REFUSED to pardon Scooter Libby:


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Wow, what a puppet you are. Military Commissions Act of 2006, which passed and is now law.

GWB and the white house authored this bill to give themselves back door Pardons. Not one bigshot will ever be prosectuted yet grunts are in jail for following orders. I see you rose to the occasion to defend your elite masters. You should be ashamed for hating the US soldiers so much!

http://bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&as=2075&dt=1

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/MC_Act-2006.html

Mario

Rich Not Wealthy
You indicated in your comments that if we do not do something soon, we may have to resort to another armed revolution. I have thought seriously about that possibility as I have observed the oftentimes illegal activities of Obama and his Marxist thugs. He is currently in the process of consolidating power in order to fulfill his dictatorial ambitions.

There is one essential that will have to be developed before any attempt at revolution can be successful. The U.S. Military will have to be convinced to stand aside if a revolution occurs. Freedom loving citizens should begin now to cultivate the military leadership in order to insure that they do remain neutral if revolution becomes necessaary. Military leaders should be reminded that it is the people who have supported them throughout the years, and not the leftist comrads in Congress.

That work should begin now.

Lost Anus scribbles:
if indeed that is true I wouls suspect that
"military indoctrination" has a lot to do with it. if you catch my drift.

Just shows your amazing ignorance of the military.

thomas just a thought
dems/libs own, carry and use guns also.

William
The fallacy in your argument is that this republic in which we live was conceptualized and created by older white men. Please note that they sought a 'more perfect union'. Granted we are not in the mold of Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, and other such Hispanic countries in our hemisphere, we have managed to be more effective in governance so that our people have had the freedom to be more productive.

The race of the President does not make the difference; the ability to lead and quality of leadership makes the difference.

Gunny: If indded..
"If Conservatives hate the military, then why is the military stuanchly conservative?

if indeed that is true I wouls suspect that
"military indoctrination" has a lot to do with it. if you catch my drift.

Tupeorsueño
That I am white is well known.
Everything else from you is a LIE!

BTW, how old and what color are Lautenberg, KKK Byrd, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Dick Turban, Arlen Specter and on and on and on. What a MAROON!

proud american dem-mario
Hey man,
I dont speak for everyone but I dont hate you and as a conservative I can tell you flat out we're not evil.

You see IF we were evil we would have already started to organize, bear our arms and begun to slaughter your kind wholesale. There are probably 25-30 MILLION guys just like me. We work hard and don't think our money should be STOLEN to bail out USELESS unions. We dont think our money should be yanked out of our hands to fund a disastarous Obamacare health system.

You be the first to know when we get evil. I used to dread it BUT now I am not so sure.

See you soon! Hahaa! LOL!!

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Great summation of where Maobama brought us.

I believe that Hannity pointed out with sound bites from Zero that he badmouthed the economy nine straight months BEFORE the election and forty straight days AFTER 4 Nov 09.

He only stopped when it really STARTED to tank bad.

Zero is apunk a** rookie and in way over his head. We're just now finding out how far.

The only problem is, is that liberals will refuse to believe that they could have been wrong about this bum. Even Neville Chamberlain, a distant relation of Maobama it appears, could not believe that he'd be played by Hitler.

Pitiful Amazing Dumba**:
Since you did not answer the question, I assume it was the NKVD. You don't have the brains to have been in the GRU.

On North Korea
The Angry Dwarf (TAD): "We will shoot nukes at you."

Zero: "Please don't."

TAD: "Give me money."

Zero: "Okay. please don;t shoot your nukes. It will be bad."

TAD: "Give us food or else."

Zero: "Okay. Play nice."

TAD: "You suck."

Zero: (Note to Self) Tell michelle he's being mean to me tonight over 100.00 per pound Wugyu beef.

Mario
If Conservatives hate the military, then why is the military stuanchly conservative?

BTW, my daughter leaves for boot camp in August. The fourth generation of CONSERVATIVES to serve this nation, going back to WW1.

And my son is in JROTC in HS!

Hell, HE has more military experience than your boy, the Thug-in-Chief!


Mario's Fantasy World

Alan Greenspan was Clinton's appointment to the Federal Reserve, as well.

The sole reason that the Federal Reserve was created in 1913 was to protect the country when it was faced with recession or depression.

Late last year, the NYT blamed Greespan, Lawrence Summers (D), and Robert Rubin (D) for the lack of derivative regulations for failure to protect the market when the exotic securities first took hold in the late 1990s.

Keep your eyes open tomorrow and Thursday. If the Chinese do buy more of our 10-30 year bonds, it will be at a dramatically higher interest rate, which will add to inflation here. If they Chinese do not buy, we will ramp up debt monetization even though we are in real danger of losing our triple-A credit status.

Why the Hell do you think that the Chinese offered to buy all of the IMF's gold?

Gold is a hedge against rampant inflation or it is a protection when economies collapse.


Obama inherited the greatness of the office and the history of this country, he turned around and threatened businesses, private property owners, and average Americans. He looked at our Constitution and decided that it was passe' and needed to be remade in his image.

Actually Pitiful Amazing Dumba**:
I am not the one parroting the Leninist, Stalinist, Mao, Fidel, Pol Pot line (real conservative there), you are.

Like any leftwing loon you are about a single party dictatorship lover.

David
No doubt. I'm sure that Tupeorsueño will be happy, or maybe gay is the better word! Once he finally moves out from mommy's house that is!


Mario
Lives in a fantasy world where Democrats actually care for people and then blames conservatives for all the ills of the world....

What a freakin' laugh riot, you are!!! Leftist. statist, free lunch, envious Democrats ARE the root of all evil, yet you blame your betters...

Hilarious!

WHY?
PAD:
What branch did you serve in the NKVD or the GRU?

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You are so clever, do you idolize Commies so much, is that all you got?
Why didnt your God Bush pardon the grunts? He made sure all the Elite Conservatives were pardoned. All you can do is insult me. You arent man enough to answer. Coward.

Mario



Mario
"
Conservatives hate the Military
Cheny, Rumsfeld, Bush tell the troops to torture at Bagram, Abu gharib, Guantanamo. When the soldiers follow orders and the sh!t hits the fan the guys and gals following orders are jailed and GWB and his lapdogs get a presidential pardon. Another example of how the rich and powerful Elite Conservative treat ordinary citizen soldiers. While the bigwigs are spared, regular joes take the blame.

I never heard a peep out of any of the so called military supporters on this Conservative site. On the contrary, you guys also blamed the little guys while you defended your God Bush. All of you savages should be ashamed of yourselves. You are evil!"

Kindly site a credible source that shows a presidential pardon for GWB. His 'cronies'?
This is my cite for the exact opposite. GWB REFUSED to pardon Scooter Libby:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigatio ns/2009/02/report_cheney_tried_unsuccessf.html

That POS from PA who accused the Marines of 'cold blooded murder' before their trial is a DEMOCRAT. The party who tried to block the military's absentee ballots in your own state was the DEMOCRAT party. Last week, you posted a few posts with good debate points. You're backsliding to just bomb throwing and name calling.

Proud "American" Democrat
"No sooner than Obama becomes president everything falls apart."

How many conservatives have actually said such a thing? After all, we realize Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006. You liberals seem unwilling to hold them responsible for anything that's happened in that time.

I'm being redundant....
but THANK YOU Dr. Sowell it's one of your best.


Conservative fantasy world
Prior to Jan 20th 2009, the country and the world were perfect. No wars, economies were great the world was nirvana.

No sooner than Obama becomes president everything falls apart. Majically we are in two wars the economy is going down the tubes and the world is on the brink. All acheived in 5 months. But if these Conservative Taliban Gods say so then it HAS to be true.

Conservatives are the root cause of all evil in the world!

Mario


PAD:
What branch did you serve in the NKVD or the GRU?

shorts
"The average age of the remaining GOP state senators is 62. The image of the party is of an old, tired, backward-looking group of white guys."


And, what's the average age of your side's mostly lily-white Senatorial club?

Yes, I know that you have Teddy Kennedy and Robert C Byrd skewing the numbers, but when they kick the bucket, you will still have an overwheming group of lily-whites.

Tupeorsuno
De nada

GunnyG
I bet there are PC exceptions for certain lifestyles. I bet medical expenses for gender reassignment surgery will be picked up by the taxpayer!

HEY LEFTIES
be careful what you wish for.

http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/WireHeadlines/2009/06/ 06/new-lifestyle-tax-proposal-widely-oppose-51.php

Lifestyle tax! And since many you are are h0m0s, your unhealthy lifestyle will be highly taxed!

haha!

Ah, elect a tax and spend liberal and watch em go!

Left Angle
"standing on the sidelines criticizing from afar is the easy way out for cowards,"

No that is a play out of the Democrat play book!

I LOVE
the libs here. The information is rising against them and their boy but WTF, it's all still soooooo good in Obamaland.

1. CBS Evening News FALLS TO ALL-TIME LOW; 5,180,000 VIEWERS FOR COURIC.

2. Fox News ratings through the roof.

3. Rush, Boortz, Hannity, and Levin ratings way up.

4. Euros go right. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ambrose_evans-pritchard/blog/ 2009/06/08/europe_swings_right_as_depression_deepens

5. Obama repacking pablum. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090609/D98MRQU80.html

6. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid =aaaBdVMkjPnU

7. Obama numbers DOWN. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html

and last but not least, the Angry Gargoyle in North Korea throws down the gauntlet to the punk.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-w ould-use-nuclear-weapons-in-a-merciless-offensive-1700590.h tml

Cut and run Maobama, cut and run!

Short in the IQ Department:
Only if your "truth" is backed up by facts, not the meandering thoughts of a bigoted, hating, vile, inane, insane idiotic, illogical POS.

shorts
Youth has always been associated with brashness, foolish, barren, quick to act slow to think.
The reason older people are to be venerated is because they have generally made their mistakes and learned the lessons of youth thereby becoming wise. That is just a humble and free lesson for you.

lmrmilo..compain b**tch whine complain
that is exactly why the majority put the dems in control of the federal government.

Repubs/cons have no solutions to the major problems of the day. So that's all they do. Sit on the sideline and like the cowards they are second guess and criticize, without coming up with any solutions of their own.

Practically every column Mr. Sowell writes is highly critical of Prez Obama and the Dem led congress. Yet he never offers any alternative solutions to the problems.

"Do Nothing" Mr. Sowell? you miss the point sir.

The GOP IS the party of "DO NOTHING" IN OR OUT OF POWER..Everyone knows the GOP/CONS ARE change adverse and accepting of the "status quo" and want things to stay just as the ARE.

standing on the sidelines criticizing from afar is the easy way out for cowards, Mr. Sowell. If you are such a expert on these topics why dont you stick you neck out and run for office.

But then you would have to give up your lucrative business of being a "black consevative". benifits and all.

shorts
Do you understand the meaning of veneration and wisdom. They come from age! Age has always been a thing to admire not to denigrate.

Hard Thought:
Maybe Texas should cut off his beef, vegetables fruits natural gas, then he starve and freeze in the dark.

The sad truth
For "Tom" who wrote, "Ms Kelly and Curt
I am a 69-year-old military retiree and I, too, have thought seriously of leaving this land that I served and defended. But my problem is AGE, at my age, where could I "start over"?

Most countries I know and have visited are more liberal than we are. One of my favorites is New Zealand. NZ is very liberal, but they don't lie to one another about it, and if you have a different view, it is at least tolerated and not excoriated.
So if you are young and adventurous enough to
make a fresh start, go for it, you won't
regret it. I know several expatriate
Americans in Auckland and Christchurch who
wouldn't return here on a bet."
Sorry, Tom, it won't work. I am a 69-year old retired Army Officer, thoroughly aghast at the direction in which this fraudulently elected president substitute is taking my country, but even if I wanted to leave it, there is nowhere to go. America is, at least for a little while longer, the last outpost of individual liberty. No matter to what other country you go, it will be either some outright totalitarian hell-hole, or a socialist abomination run by self-styled "liberals," who will confiscate as much of your hard earned income as the can, so they can control every aspect of your life.
Scary, isn't it?

Short in the IQ Department:
THe only vacuum around here is the one between your ears.

Varieties of Nothing
Brilliant insight Mr. Lowell. Thank you!

To Georgetwin
I misspoke. It is shorts who is the racist. I misstook his post for yours.

His comment about "blue-eyed rule" was totally racist and out of line.

Shorts
It should. This is where your racist, whiny, statist belly gets its' food.

We could stop, ya know......

shorts
"
David TX
Guess the truth hurts!
Prove me wrong in any of my assertions, please
otherwise thanks for playing"

Son I know this is hard for you, but you showed up espousing 'assertions' that had no attribution and generally being obnoxious. You could choose to make points , with attribution and we will discuss them. Or you could just be a tool like you have been, insulting everyone.

Satchmo1
Why am I a racist and Shorts is not?

Great Column
What struck me most is the idea that liberals love to do nothing, while conveying the idea that "they care" and are "doing something" about the problem (any problem).

Shorts
You know NOTHING about me do you, Hispanic Halfwit?

You are just another Racist La Raza Crybaby like your Butt Buddy, Moronio.

BTW, NONE of your racist assertions apply to me.

Back to the Barrio, Bean Brain!

Georgetwin:
Short in the IQ Department is like any lib. Makes wild a**ed assertion, then tells us to disprove them, instead of providing proof.

To gtwin
You are a racist.

Oh, and Mr. Sowell, thanks for another excellent column.

Georgetwin
Yea I know, probably has swimmers ear. I just love the tolerant Left don't you?

SFA1973
Don't hold your breath waiting on him.

Shorts
How thoroughly racist and liberal of you!

Take a long time for your pea brain to come up with the racist attack?

I am pretty sure no one here hates Obambi for being black. That was an accident of birth. However, we all detest his statist policies, taken us straight down the road towards Mussolini's fascism.

How does it feel being a crypto-fascist with race inferiority issues?

Name calling can be so much fun. Let's play again, you lying, back stabbing, double talking, fact avoiding, leftist, statist, totalitarion idiot (but I repeat myself).

Short in the I IQ Department:
You made the assertions. You prove them.

shorts
shorts
Location: NJ
Reply # 6
Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 12:59 PM EST Show of Hands
How many of you conservative idiots are over 55




I'll say zero.


Short in the I IQ Department:
And you are a bigoted, hating vile POS.

David
Take is easy on Shorts. He just swam here this morning.

Unprecedented In American History

Using the WH's own formula, GWB has "created or saved" more jobs than any President in history. Under their formula, Bush created or saved more than 32 million jobs.



BTW, I "saved" 150,000 American jobs while performing the calculations.

shorts
Are you named shorts cause you are short of IQ, manners or manliness?
With the stellar observational prowess and deductive reasoning skills you possess I predict a lead job a McDonalds in your future if you work hard! Carry on.