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Tuesday, December 09, 2008
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Doctor Will See All of You Now
by Phyllis Schlafly
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You are sitting in a doctor's waiting room with eight other sick patients, and the nurse announces: The doctor will see all of you now -- at the same time. That's how the Boston Globe recently described shared visits that are being used to cope with the long waits now customary in Massachusetts.

Ted Kennedy and Barack Obama are planning that the new Democratic Congress' first order of business will be to extend the Massachusetts health-care mistake to all 50 states. Like other legislative rush-acts (i.e., the 2007 amnesty bill and the 2008 bailouts), details are currently withheld to avoid giving members of Congress and the public adequate time to analyze the bill before the vote is called.

If Kennedy succeeds in his goal of using the Massachusetts plan as a model for national health care, average Americans will no longer get immediate access to medical care. They will have the long waits and massive new taxpayer costs that the Massachusetts plan has produced.

Defending the practice of group visits, one doctor told the Boston Globe, "People came to me with similar complaints, and I had these canned speeches." The doctor does not ask the patients to take off their clothes in front of the group -- he makes do with less effective, fully clothed examinations.

The group session consists mostly of hearing other people's complaints, while the doctor dishes out advice in front of all the patients. Privacy and modesty are gone, but you can pick up the germs of the other sick patients in the room with you.

One doctor observed that "this is not the type of medical care anyone with a modicum of intelligence would want." Is this the change Obama promised?

At Holyoke Health Center in Boston, patients wait four months simply to get an appointment. This causes some patients to go to costly emergency rooms for routine visits.

While emergency rooms are handling routine matters and taking medical histories, people who need urgent attention wait in line. In parts of western Massachusetts, which is non-urban, like most of the United States, the wait has grown longer than one year just to get a physical.

The Massachusetts health-care plan is universal and mandatory. The Massachusetts plan also introduces other words into the health-care vocabulary, such as group diagnosis, long waits, rationing, forced taxes and high costs.

The Massachusetts plan forces people to buy insurance they do not want or need. Once they are compelled to pay for it, they naturally want something for their money, and that crowds out people who really need medical care.

The Massachusetts plan is a fiscal disaster, costing far more than estimated, with no end in sight. Massachusetts is wealthier than most states, but this plan threatens to bankrupt even it.

The Massachusetts plan forces people to buy insurance under threat of having to pay a penalty on their income tax return. Kennedy's staff has been quietly meeting with the insurance industry to make sure it will be just as happy with a national version of mandatory insurance as it is in Massachusetts.

Massachusetts politicians had promised voters not to worry about costs because the state would collect $95 million in fees in the first year from small businesses that do not insure their employees. But those fees were never collected because small businesses cannot afford this, and taxpayers are forced to ante up that shortfall.

Massachusetts taxpayers were not told that this plan forces public funding for abortion by anyone who wants one, not only the poor. Kennedy's plan will likely try to force Americans nationwide to pay for all abortions as the Massachusetts plan does, perhaps by regulations if not by statute.

Massachusetts medical care is beginning to look like Canada, where waiting lists, rationing and travel to foreign countries for care have become the norm. Meanwhile, members of Congress continue to enjoy special gold-plated health care not available to most Americans.

Former Senate Majority Leader Thomas Daschle, who is a high-paid health-care consultant for a lobbying firm, is expected to be appointed secretary of health and human services. He is holding town hall meetings this month to create the illusion of public support for the Kennedy plan.

As HHS secretary, Daschle will write the regulatory details that Congress doesn't dare put in the proposed statute. So much for Obama's promise to change Washington, eliminate the influence of lobbyists and avoid conflicts of interest!

Obama is planning to use his giant campaign database to pressure Congress into speedy action. Americans will have to protest quickly if they want to prevent the mandatory and expensive Massachusetts plan from being forced on the country.

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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Join the club, Phyllis
Despite the scare tactics, universal health care's time has come. At last. There are many different models out there (including Norway's, which I benefit from-- choice of doctor, local control, option of buying into the private system). Schlafly predictably believes the time has come to do nothing. Americans won't stand for that-- not of course, unless the insurance industry wins out as it usually has.

To get a more competitive economy USA must avoid the trap of the employer focused plans and mandates. Building a successful system takes time; when you pit large vs. small employers and haves vs. have-nots you're bound to stumble. Take the time to do it right.

Dear Royin
You say: "To get a more competitive economy USA must avoid the trap of the employer focused plans and mandates. Building a successful system takes time; when you pit large vs. small employers and haves vs. have-nots you're bound to stumble. Take the time to do it right."

You can come to the U.S. and be president with that kind of meaningless double speak.


When everyone realizes
that it doesn't work (never has and never will), what's the exit strategy?

You are wrong!
Royinoslo,
How can you be so arrogant. You do not debate; you dictate. I have not heard much about Norway, but I have heard a lot of negative things about Canda's and England's health care system.

The Massachusetts plan sounds like a disaster, and you make no attempt to refute the article. But you are postive that this kind of care is in our future, and we have no voice in this decision.

You do not speak for America. I can only speak for myself. And I have news for you. You can only speak for yourself.

The time has come alright...
With the political system constantly promising to exploit the natural tendency of man to covet what he believes someone else has and to provide it through stealing the labor and the money necessary to supply a portion of it, revolution seems to be the real future.

Government interference in the supply of energy, and promoting the notion of a tax on gasoline to force it to remain at four ($4.00) dollars per gallon is an even better reason to start a Tea Party.

I realize most would rather trade their freedom for a flat screen HD and a free annual check up at the local clinic but not all of us will.


The world according to Liberals.


Same day Abortions - 4 to 6 months for x-ray to detect cancer.


We're Going to Love Free Heath Care
Oh I can't wait until Americans get their free health care. It's always rewarding and gratifying to see a fool realize you've been right all along. Morons. Slaves.

Americans have to be the dumbest species on the planet. The sons-a-bytches complain all their lives about the incompetency of the Federal government and now they're turning over their lives to that entity. I pity Obama. How tiresome it will be to him to rule over a nation of slaves.

Imagine you've got a serious medical emergency and being on hold waiting for another of stream of former welfare mothers, who now have jobs because working for the Gubment, to tell you "it ain't our policy", or "Don't be talkin' to me dat way. I'm on my break." Think of having to joust with these imbeciles over the necessity of life saving treatment after it's been denied by some GS-5 who's mad at the world because his EEO complaint turned down in court and now you're going to pay for his displeasure.

Think this is absurd? Really? Then you have no clue as to how government actually works and the power of some lowly government clerk who stands between you and the law. He can say anything he wants and hang up on you and yes, he might be in the wrong. All you have to do is get an attorney and sue and in a few years you might win the case and get that emergency treatment you needed. It's simple.

Oh, and won't it be interesting to see if Ted Kennedy and all our other ruling elites will be found in the waiting rooms we get. It might be nice to chat with Obama and Hillary while we're waiting to see the doctor. Gosh, just think.

Good luck, everyone.

Blast from the past
Does anyone recall the '70s, when Democrats in general and Ted Kennedy especially pushed hard for HMOs as a needful reform? Even back then, the costs of subsidized healthcare were rising perilously. Unable to say no to anyone, Democrats advocated shifting the unpleasant task of cost limitation onto the private sector so that they might continue looking concerned, feeling good about themselves, and buying votes by the truckload. Within a few years they repudiated their protégés, of course, and they've been denouncing HMOs ever since as soulless capitalists playing God.

It's useful to remember that Kennedy, et al., were the original champions of managed care because they're still experimenting with other people's lives and resources, still convinced of their own irreplaceable rectitude, and still utterly clueless.

An Excellent Solution
Let me explain how our fiscal crisis, illegal immigration and unemployement can be easily solved overnight.

First, all unemployment benefits should be cut off immediately. All government assistance to all able bodied persons should likewise be stopped now.

Second, at the same time such benefits are cut off, harsh punitive laws should be enacted that proscribe and imprison any employer hiring illegal aliens. All their wealth is to be confiscated, sold at auction and the proceeds set aside to pay rewards for those turing in offending employers. This will reduce the need for a heavy and expensive police agency to monitor employers. Illegal aliens who turn in their bosses would qualify for rewards and be giving citizenship on the spot. This will "incentivise" employers to let them go, for sure.

Results?

Our deficit drops dramatically because of the cut off of communist aid to loafers and free loaders.

Legal American loafers scramble for those jobs they previously "would not do". Unemployment drops dramatically.

Illegal aliens, with no place to go, flee to their homelands. Illegal immigration is solved without any cost to the U.S. Further, illegal communist votes disappear in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles which usher in GOP majorities and the return to capitalism.

Crime decreases with the loss of illegal Third World criminals.

America prospers and basks in the sun of racial harmony, tolerance, inclusivness and collaboration.

Is this so hard?

JD's Handsome Son
"Is this so hard?"

In a word, yes. Very hard, perhaps impossible.

Government dependents depend, by definition, on government for one thing or another -- in many cases, nearly everything. This category includes illegal immigrants. Illegals who work hard, avoid the obvious transfer-payment programs, and generate sales taxes and whatnot still absorb more benefits than they pay for. Even those who prosper in the private sector depend on government inaction for their very presence here.

Government, ironically, depends on its dependents to keep it in power. This includes illegals who break more laws by voting for the people who ensure their benefits.

Your ideas are excellent. Turning them into policy, however, would require government and its rapidly multiplying dependents to act against their own perceived self-interest. As long as the question is put to a vote, that ain't gonna happen.

Gov't not the answer
Has anyone ever noticed that the areas in which the government is the most involved(health care, education, airline industry, economy) are also the most screwed up? Not a coincidence.

It bears mentioning that once Teddy was diagnosed with his brain tumor, he made the decision to go to Duke for treatment(after being seen at Mass Gen), something which will NEVER be permitted under the very system that he espouses.

Phyllis leaves out many other, unintended counsequences of a gov't run system. A government system inevitably leads to cost containment, rationing of care and long waits. Doctors don't particularly like to work with patients who are mean and pissed off all the time because they could not get seen. Once cost overruns start, the very first thing that gets cut are doctor/nurse/PA/NP salaries. Now you have pissed off doctors and pissed off patients. Most importantly, you lose the attraction for young people to go into medicine. Who wants their employment to be totally controlled by the government?

The last point is simply that Americans have higher standards for health care than other nations. A long wait to see a provider might be acceptable in Canada/Germany/France, it's NOT acceptable to Americans. Face the facts, we are a pampered, arrogant nation that wants gratification nowm, including in health care. No government run program ever created, certainly not in health care, would be efficient or consumer friendly enough to meet the standards of the American people. Without competition among providers and choice by the consumer to select the best option, the necessity for improvement and customer care evaporates. It takes the govt two months to issue a passport and thats just to verify who you are, can you imagine that entity entrusted to decide the complexities of what medical care is appropriate or indicated? Wake up, people!

Paleocon
I forgot a crucial part of my suggestion, and one which, I think, is crucial.

Before implementing my proposal I would first activate the national guards of the states and post them in the large urban areas of the country with shoot to kill orders. This would be necessary when I announced the cutoffs of all safety net payments to freeloaders. They are used to rioting and intimidating spineless jellyfish communist politicians who've catered to them for so long.

Yes, I know. America, once home of the brave, is now home of the slave. A majority of Americans, it seems, are ready to become 21st century serfs, giving up their safety and welfare to their Messiah and his vassals, dukes, and other secular potentates in the legislature who are now commandeering all areas of our nation.

Even captains of industry crawl on their bellies to these high priests, begging for government money, humbling themselves at the feet of sexual perverts like Barney Franks, confessing their sins in public hearings and now in print, and submitting to the mercy of our ruling elites. What a pathetic display. I wonder if their wives can even stand to look at them now. Cowards.

My favorite misstatement
FREE healthcare. There's no such thing. We'll pay big time for this socialized medicine in HUGE tax increases plus it will be of inferior quality. See how well the government has run medicare, drivers licenses and mortgages. Can't wait for them to screw this up, too.

Waiting lists?
I can't figure out the yacking on waiting lists. I have always had to schedule appointments with my physician or schedule an appointment to have a medical procedure performed. As long as we control our borders, there will not be an influx of folks wanting medical care just for the fun of it. Something has to be done to effectively control the cost of medical care; no matter what the government or the private sector does, the costs escalate.

MItt Romney signed this cow manure into
It was stupid REPUBLICAN Governor named Mitt"Bump"Romney who signed this Massachuseets into law.Are you forgetting that?Delaval Patrick is no better.Roy in Minnesota it does not have to be that way at all.GET A LIFE Vito in Ct.To go se a shill Vito try lookingin the mirror.Vito why do you and you stupid idiot liberals get this same type of cow manure ands ee how you like it.Also has anyone noticed that these stupid pieces of liberal cow manure like Fay Boy Kennedy would do not take these same kind of health insurance themselves.What a stupid double standard.Fat Boy would do us all a favor if he would just hurry up and assume room temperature

Royinoslo
Ever been to the county DMV? A Veteran's Hospital? The county Health Department?

Understaffing, incompetence, long lines, endless red tape, the feeling that decor that would make one feel like he's in a place where people actually care about what they do and who they serve is an alien concept (think 'sterility' and 'minimalism'); this is the face of nationalized healthcare.

There seems to be an underlying wish that rationing healthcare will weed out those you think 'undesirable'. Ya think?


Health Plan in Mass.
Obviously our current politicians never have read or studied the history of a very rich country (England) that went BANKRUPT trying to implement socialized medicine (or whatever name our politicians want to call it today).

Prior to its attempt at socialized medicine the English Pound Sterling was the monetary standard for the WORLD. After just a few years of Socialized Medicine England essentially went banrupt and the US dollar became the monetery standard for the world.


Kennedy's Brain Tumor
I think Kennedy has had this problem all his life. It is the only thing I can think of that explains his stupid ideas.

He needs to retire and take care of it rather than continuing to screw up our country. And he should get the same care he is insisting the rest of us should get instead of stepping to the front of the line and getting the best care possible due to his position and his money. His opinion of it might change if he did.

Simple Govt answer
Soylent Green

rdk : Scheduling Appointments In GB
I had a friend in England so I asked about their health care program. "Excellent program!" he told me.

Appointments? You get a time, go in, and wait three days to see the doctor. They overschedule since they are paid by appointments and not by disease and problems. Once you get in, you have five minutes to state your problem and be examined. Then the government tells the doctor what treatment he should give you regardless of what he thinks might be best. You work through the different treatments, one at a time, based on the cheapest first until you find one that might work - if you live long enough.

Hospital treatments like surgury? Six months to a year wait - again if you live that long. And the hospitals have ONE EKG to share between it and others in the area instead of dozens as our hospitals do. They can't afford more. Do you need one to see what is wrong with you? Wait six months and hope they have time within the three days they have it to see you.

Are you an older person? To conserve money, the older people get less medical care since they can no longer "serve society". Guess what that means if you get ill.

I'll keep what we have. At least I don't have to wait more than an hour or so after my appointment is due.

rdk in AL
Not just waiting lists. LONG waiting lists.

Think, 6 months for an x-ray, 9 months for a CT scan. Surgery? That will be 2 years. Sorry for the wait, but the doctor is booked. This isn't just calling to make an appointment. This is guessing when you might need one because the wait is always at least 2 months. Just hope you don't have anything serious.

I often tell the story of the man having eye surgery. He came from Canada. He was having eye surgery the same day and the same type as my Dad. Dad scheduled it the day before, it was considered an emergency. The other guy had an appointment with the eye doc in six months. He came to the US because he knew he couldn't wait that long. He had to pay for it out of pocket. You see, he couldn't chance waiting, since he already couldn't see out of the other eye, due to the long wait.

There was a news story out last year about Canadians coming across the boarder to have babies. The government was sending them because they could handle the load. You see, you can't schedule when a baby will be born. You can't make them wait an extra month or two until there is hospital space.

a better approach
Schafely takes one of the problems with the new system to be that people are using emergency rooms for routine care. Does she follow the health care debate at all? One of McCain's advisors made the blunder of telling the truth during the campaign and noted that in his view that was a fundamental part of the old system and should make us count all of those people as among the insured.

My brother was one of the uninsured in Massachusetts before the law. He is now one of the forcibly insured. He is finally taking needed medicine for Gout, and the right medicine for his heart. Oddly the long lines that Schafely describes do not exist for this real person. Admittedly that is just one anecdote, Schafely makes her case similarly by anecdote.

It would probably be wise for people who want an accurate appraisal of the system to see how health access actually changes in the state when real studies are done.

KNEE SURGERY
I recently had a partial knee replacement due to arthritis. I probably could have waited another year or two since the pain was not horrible. I based my decision to have it now because of Obama's election. I figured that I would be put on a LONG waiting list( if I would be allowed to have it at all due to my age--61 now). I'm glad I had it done and hope I don't have a serious health problem for many years.

For some reason, I just don't think we will get the exact same health care coverage as members of congress. They would never allow their health care to fall to the level we will be stuck with.

Change, as Promised
"Is this the change Obama promised?"

What other sort could a progressive possibly promise? This is only the barest beginning. Wait until the new progressive Congress comes into session with a willing, progressive President.

Hold onto your wallets!

you'll know what's coming
Read "Cancer Ward" you liberal morons.

Gov run doesn't always mean poorly run
I'm 58 and was just recently diagnosed with metastatic malignant melanoma. My wife is a physician who quizzed the local doctor and did extensive research. We didn't like the local oncologist's plan: take this drug or die. So we applied to the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda who agreed to see me.

This government run hospital sees 1000 patients a year with cases like mine and knew exactly what to do. They have a plan for treatment and are under no limitations from Congress or an insurance company on how to treat me (and it's all free to me). The NIH appears to be a complete opposite of all I ever thought about a government run organization.

However, they don't accept everyone. I am fortunate to go there. If there were some way we could duplicate the NIH in all tertiary hospitals, we all might change our minds about government healthcare. However, I think the NIH is probably an island of good care in a sea of bureaucratic bumbling.

NIH part 2
We also met a lady from Montreal with melanoma, but didn't get to ask her why she came to the NIH instead of one of their hospitals. However, apparently NIH deals with a good number of Quebecois, since our patient advocate was quite familiar with the Canadians.

Daschle has been quoted
as saying the secret to pushing through "free" medical care is to keep the details secret and to write out as little as possible in the final bill. He warned Hillary's plan was doomed because it was far too detailed allowing organized groups to resist it.

Democracy in action under the democrats.

I think ...
socialized medicine is going to happen.
A) We who are opposed will soon pass.
B) The young who don't require health care ...
1) Are happy with noble sounding concepts until they pay for it
2) You promise them no more war to pay for a dream.
C) The eldely have either been skunked by inflation or they are wanting to save their money for their children and not spend it on ------ 'greedy doctors'----
D) Business thinks they are going to get off for nothing.
E) Working people think they are going to get something for nothing.

Liberals never appeal to the independence and nobility of mankind. They know that the rest of us will be carried along in the crush of the regime. Liberals have all nature of high minded speech that soothes the mindds of followers. Partial Birth abortion isn't infanticide, its a womans body and her right to choose. Socialized medicine isn't stealing the service of another human being, its exercising your right to health care.
Conservatives have three tasks ...
Learning vocabulary, becoming active members of an organized group whose priority is constitutional government, and learning to defend yourself ... collectively.
Obama wants to form a para-military police.
He's ahead of you on the curve. It is time to join the State militia ... Correct the young really don't want to be involved in Mr Obama's plans for policing the world in the name of social justice. These are things that have to be resolved.

cost would be cut in half.
Will someone please comment on this. at first it sounds like a Joke, but think about it a little bit. This is Page 1 of a 5,000 page document.

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The way to reduce Health Care costs is simple. Just eliminate all insurance companies, their buildings, computers, and employees, and get rid of all Government paper-pushers in the health care system.

Give every QUALIFIED doctor, hospital, and pharmacy a special computer program, and a blank checkbook so they can write a check each evening for all the services they provided that day.

Make it a Capital Crime to mess with the computer program, and for any lawyer who even talks to a patient, and carry out that punishment within 30 days.

If the doctor makes a mistake, so what, you are most likely there because you made a mistake. If the doctor commits a crime, that’s the problem for the government to punish, not a lawyer who promises a check for the patient.

If you don't trust your doctor, buy your own insurance policy, that will pay if the doctor makes a mistake. He's human, and you are there most likely because you made a mistake.

Just hire a bunch of auditors to randomly check and made sure they aren’t stealing any more than is being stolen today. And on and on.

And I bet the cost would be cut in half.

I should have added

This is not like going to the DMV, the only person you see is the Doctor of your choice.

I don't live there any more but,

Years ago I could stand at the corner of Fred Waring Drive and Monterey, in Palm Desert, CA, and see more MRI offices, then existed at that time in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks, Ted!
I feel confident that multi-millionaire Ted Kennedy is merely proposing the exact kind of treatment that he received for his recently-discovered brain tumor. He and a group of total strangers from all walks of life sat in the doctor's office discussing the most intimate details of their affliction and how it affects various aspects of their lives. Naturally, when he heard the news, Obama became eager for his first group session with all manner of angry, bitter Americans (as long as they weren't clinging to their guns). Just think -- maybe WE'll get to sit in on an examination one day with one of these great Americans! )))dreamy sigh(((

Kennedy the Buffoon
Kennedy has caused more harm to this country with his destructive liberal ideas and legislation that he should be branded a traitor to the Nation and run out on a rail. How this idiot comes up with his hare-brained schemes, I don't know; maybe it's trying to make up for the death of the young girl he was suspiciously involved with many years ago; another moral midget. Whatever the reason that guy needs to be put out to pasture and cease and desist in his assaults to the country.

rdk

The State of Texas spends 500 million per year on heatlhcare for illegals alone.

Yet if an un-insured U.S. Citizen can't pay their hospital bill, they hound him, threaten him, destroy his/her credit report.

Mike
"However, they don't accept everyone."

That's why it works. They turn people away. Instead of charging per use, which allows hospitals to cover the demand, they have to tell people no because if they said yes, they'd just turn into another bumbling bureaucratic organization.

That's called taxpayer funded discrimination.

Hope brought us here
Please enjoy the ride into socialized medicine. The only hope is having an economic meltdown too big to make it affordable for them to socialize health care. Let's pray for that - at least we can recover economically. The implications of this universal healthcare plan headed by the lobbyst that Obama promised not to include in his administration, will be worse than an economic melt down. It will be a death sentence for the average american. Was Kennedy's brain surgery paid for by tax payers? If so, then we can all rejoice in getting that same healthcare package. Did Kennedy have to wait in line? If not then we can rejoice in getting that same healthcare plan at the expense of federal govt. The truth is universal healthcare is a 'feel good' policy that serves only to make us feel better about 'helping' the 'main street'. The implications of this policy is what will make americans wish for the good old days.

cLife expetancy.
If socialized medicine is so evil, then why is in a lot of European countries the life expectancy higher than in the US, both for men and women?

Rudolf ...
First .... who is doing the stats and what are the stats made of?
Second, if Europe is so wonderful, why do you remain here? Instead of remaining in an oppressive America, why not emigrate to Europe where things are better, rather than wanting to drag the rest of into European socialism.
Ask Royinosio why he bothered moving here.
The world is fully enlightened, go out into it and rejoice. Just leave us alone to live in our darkened caves.

@ Cliff.
Why don't you ask me? I moved here from the Netherlands. Those stats are from more evil organizations, such as the UN, WHO, I'm sure! Lots of Americans that I know would like to see socialized medicine here in the US in some form. And tell me, why is it always people on right that suggest to others to leave this country?

Rudolf
Maybe because it's to those who demand WE pay for THEIR stuff. America is about choice. The left is about conformity. You can't have a chioce in things when someone is mandating everything.

Life Expectancy
It's not a direct result of medical care. The US has a higher murder rate (which is concentrated in the criminal class). An 18 year old gang banger getting shot by another gang contributes to a low life expectancy score. Also, Europe doesn't have to deal with a massive, third world country on its borders destroying the infant mortality rate. The high US infant mortality rate is driven heavily by illegals crossing the US border shortly before birth. Poor Mexican medical care (which is socialized by the way) is the leading factor for the poor infant mortality rates in the US.

When you distil the US and European populations by deaths per natural cause, ie removing those with criminal records or newly immigrated from regions with poor medical systems, you'll find that there is little difference between the two, other than the European model being intrusive.

HEALTH CARE
WELL IT'S ABOUT TIME WE STARTED A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT WAS DESIGNED BY A DRUNK THAT GETS THE BEST HEALTH CARE FOR FREE. iT IS TO BAD THAT THE WOMAN THAT DIED IN HIS CAR BECAUSE HE WAS TO DRUNK TO SAVE HER DIDN'T GET ANY OF THIS GREAT FAILED HEATH CASE. HEALTH CARE THAT IS COSTING THE TAXPAYER OF MASS. A FORTUNE AND DOSEM'T WORK.

Mass. Health
Don't forget that it was Mitt Romney who came up with this idiotic program of ours.

Life Expectancy
One of the reason also concerning life expectancy is that alot of American's are obese and lazy. A few years ago my husband and I spend 5 days in Montreal. We never saw an obese person while we were there except for some of the other Americans staying at our hotel. But walking around the streets, you just don't see them. One day we rented a car and drove down to New York. The minute we crossed the border back into the states, we started seeing the chubbies. It was really so funny, my husband I said to each other, we are back in the US, because we are seeing obese people again. I don't have an answer for the health care issue, but I really do not want the same type of people that are in charge of public housing in charge of whether I get health care or not. That really does not make me feel comfortable at all. Also do any of you who support think that the politians will get the same level of care we will? No, theirs will be much better.

Rudolph
Lots of Americans, Peggy the Moocher being a prime example, would LOVE for the rest of us to pay ALL her costs of living. Nothing new there; her type will always be with us.

The reason we right-wingers ask you socialists among us to leave is because there are plenty of socialist countries to which one-including you-may emigrate. Funny thing is, more people try to come here than otherwise.

Why is that, if Gov't control over everything, leaving people few if any choices about anything, is so superior?

On the WHO Rankings
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9236

Read that and tell me that the WHO rankings even mean anything. Quick summary. If your health care system provides equally lousy care for everyone and doesn't charge at the point of service, then it will get ranked higher than one that charges at the point of service and has care that ranges from good to excellent, but isn't fully equalized.

EQUAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL
The book, EQUAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, offers an overhaul of our entire health care system and is available as a free download from the web site: http://www.equalhealthcareforall.org.

R. Garth Kirkwood MD
doctor_k@equalhealthcareforall.org
http://www.equalhealthcareforall.org

Comment please.

jim Location: CA
Reply # 19
Date: Dec 9, 2008 - 12:28 PM EST

Hey, can’t anyone comment on my idea? I have shown that to many doctors and druggists, and although at first it got a laugh, after they thought of it for awhile, they thought it had a lot of promise.

Please, think about it, then let me know what you think.

Please understand, I am not usually in favor of government being involved in anything except delivering the mail, but if enough politicians insist on single-payer, my way is worth looking at.

I have a lot more ideas for that, but it's to long for a TH post.

Comment please.

Just my luck.
As I rapidly approach the time when I actually need regular health care, the Democrats have found a way to make the experience as painful as possible. At least they are offering euthanasia as an alternative to the poor care we care look forward to in our old age. If there is a silver lining it would be that immigration will finally slow as the quality of life here heads down to the levels of the places the people were formerly trying to escape from.

I'm scared to death of national health
insurance. I'm scared my parents and grandparents will be told they are too old for care. And I'm scared that I or someone in my family will at some point require the routine care of one or more specialists that if we are not denied out right we will have to wait months if not years between each visit.

This is a terrible idea - and notice the media isn't reporting what is happening in MA? And what about OR with the state version of universal health insurance -- remember a few months ago when that woman was denied a cancer drug because the state said it was too expensive? They did offer her assisted suicide though -- so I guess that's what we have to look forward to.

RoyinOslo
That's why Norway is ranked 34th and the US 5th on the Index of Economic Freedom.

As a retired nurse practitioner, I'd have to say no thanks to socialized medicine.

Slob Kennedy
Didn't the slob Teddy Kennedy go to Duke University to see the best brain surgeon in the country? That murdering slob probably never had to endure Massachusetts "medical care".

Rudolf: We Know Socialized Medicaine
is evil. Who goes to Canada for medical care? Nobody. Any Canadian who has a brain comes to the US for medical care. We have the best medicine in the world and don't appreciate Euro-socialists coming here to muck things up.


Subsidies drive up costs
Normally, a business cannot charge more than the market will bear. In health care, government and insurance companies pay more than their customers would be able to afford or reasonably pay for. Think of the $5 tongue depressor, or ridiculous fees for filling out forms.

Today's arrest of the Illinois governor should remind us that getting the government involved introduces graft and corruption into the system.

There are cases where hard-working people suffer life-threatening diseases or injuries through no fault of their own, and are unable to pay for treatment. I don't think there are many people who would turn a blind eye to them. But they should not be the basis for the entire health-care system.

Post Office Healthcare

Everytime I go to the Post Office and wait in long lines, deal with rude employees, endure petty regulations, observe ever increasing prices, I am reminded why I don't want National Healthcare.

Rudolf
Why is it that the people on the Right always recommend that others leave the country you ask.
Easy ....
We, and mine came here before the Revolution.
founded a country based on individual liberty and we want to keep it that way. You are very much like the people from the North East and California who have made living conditions unbearable and costly and then move to other places and repeat the process.
Europe can't even defend itself against formidable agression and the taxes are incredible.
Netherlands .. land of poofs, prostitutes and drugs. Terrific legacy. You should go home and help your kin fight off the Muslim invasion.
Not to worry Rudolf ... the New World Order is around the corner, fortunately the Chinese, the Russians and the Muslims have a different view of the word combination.

Mike
Let me get this correct. NIH only sees 1000 patients a year and it is free. Since Americans pay for it and there is a limited number of slots why is NIH seeing Canadians?

godless 'socialised medicine"
Universal health-care is so wicked and unsatisfactory that exactly how many countries have chosen to abandon single-payer systems and revert to health care based on ability to pay? After several decades of experience in Europe and almost every other 1st world society, exactly how many?

@ Cliff.
Muslim invasion? New World Order? You sound like a conspiracy theorist. People from the North East and California have made living conditions unbearable? How? If so, why do you live in NY? Move to a Sarah Palin approved state where the real Americans live! Fortunately, your view is just a minority one. The Americans I know are perfectly normal people. The Dutch are poofs. Had to look that one up. Of course, another derogatory name for gays. What else is new here at TH? Regarding socialized medicine and Canada: lots of seniors from the US travel to Canada to get cheap medications. Lots of Americans without insurance or with bad insurance go to Asia to get standard operations because of lower costs.And where are all those evil socialists who come to this country. Oh, I know it, of course in your definition every Democrat is a socialist.

How many "associations" will we ignore?
Who cares what Obama thinks? What do YOU think America? How many “associations” are we going to ignore and simply just let a CHICAGO THUG and Michelle Angela Davis Obama waltz in and DISGRACE THE WHITE HOUSE?

We have one last chance to contact the Electoral College to stop the constitutional crises that will result if Barack Obama gets sworn in without meeting the presidential requirement of being a natural born US citizen.

AMERICA IS CALLING – SHE NEEDS US NOW: PLEASE SIGN THE LETTER TODAY! Deadline is Thurs Dec 12 1pm (EST), takes 30 seconds, FOR THE COST OF A COUPLE PACKS OF SMOKES LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!
http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/%E2%80%A2-ur gent-sign-fedex-letter-to-electoral-college/

The letters will be sent FedEx to all 538 members of the Electoral College and will be delivered Friday morning, giving each elector the weekend to consider the constitutional issues raised by Obama's presidency.

Remember: We are not responsible whether they listen or they fail to listen, but we ARE responsible to deliver the message [Read Ezekiel 2 & 3]

Personal Perspective
I am uninsured and injured my foot three months ago walking across a grass field--for the record I was not doing anything to court injury, just walking.

Under the system described in the coloumn I not only could have gone to an ER when initially injured, but would only be a month out from being able to see a doctor. As it stands now I can't get medical treatment of any kind--the ER is too expensive and no orthopedist will see me without insurance.

I am looking at having problems walking for the rest of my life because I can't afford insurance. Does that sound like something we want to have happening in the United States of America?

Kssandra find a clinic
Here in AZ, there are clinics for the uninsured. The Catholic Diocese has run these clinics for years. Anyone can apply for help, it is a sliding scale and you pay according to what you can afford.
I think it's important to look at the resources available and use them.
Charitable organizations do a better job of providing health care efficiently and affordably than the good for very little government.
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