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Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Time Warp: Different War, Same Question
by Paul Greenberg
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General Eisenhower (Supreme Commander, Allied Expeditionary Force): "There has been significant but uneven security progress in the Ardennes. As of the end of December 1944, our casualties have been reduced substantially . . . . The situation in certain areas is still unsatisfactory, and innumerable challenges remain. Moreover, as events in the past two weeks have reminded us, and as I have repeatedly cautioned, the progress made since last spring is fragile and reversible." Senator John McCain, (R-Ariz.): "We're no longer staring into the abyss of defeat and we can now look ahead to the genuine prospect of success . . . . I do not want to keep our troops in France a minute longer than necessary to secure our interests there. Our goal, my goal, is a France that no longer needs American troops. And I believe we can achieve that goal, perhaps sooner than many imagine." Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY): "For the past four years, we have continually heard from the administration that things are getting better, that we're about to turn a corner, that there is finally a resolution in sight. Yet each time, our allies fail to deliver. I think it's time to begin an orderly process of withdrawing our troops, start rebuilding our military, and focusing on the challenges posed in the Pacific." Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.): "Nobody's asking for a precipitous withdrawal, but I do think that it has to be a measured but increased pressure, and a diplomatic surge that includes Germany. Because if France can tolerate as normal neighbor-to-neighbor relations with Germany, then we should be talking to them as well. I do not believe we're going to be able to stabilize the situation without them."

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When this same committee grilled General Petraeus last year, Senator McCain delivered the most concise summary of what these hearings are all about. It still holds:

"General Petraeus and his troops ask just two things of us: the time to continue this strategy, and the support they need to carry out their mission. They must have both."

Or has that become too much ask of this America? We shall see.

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Comparing Iraq to the Civil War
Not a good comparison. The South started that war with the bombardment of Fort Sumter. Lincoln had no time to plan on what Generals would lead. After a few months he did find out McClellan was a poor General in Chief and transfered him to the army of the Potomac. It took Lincoln months not years to make adjustments to fight the South.

Bush, on the other hand had all the time in the world and made poor decisions on how to lead and on how to adjust to the enemies changing tactics.

As far as Victory, we celebrated it back in April 2003. If that wasn't victory then what is victory, being in the middle of a three way civil war between groups that have hated each other for over 1000 years? Check up on your history, occupiers of countries have never faired well against guerilla warfare.

Define Victory ..................
The war in Iraq is rapidly becoming like the War I fought, Vietnam.
Many people, mostly news people, say `WE' lost that war, our vets lost the war. BS We did not `lose' a thing, except our insight on when to pack it in and seek a peace.
Out troops never lost a battle, or a city to the VC/NVA forces. We bloodied them in the fields, in the minds and hearts of their soldiers. When they fought us, they where thankful the fighting ended. They prayed and sang chants. They were demoralized because their propaganda failed them.
That is Iraq in a nut shell, and our Administration does not want another `Vietnam' syndrome lose. Get that word out of the context please, to withdraw from a civil conflict between similar peoples is not defeat it is sound military judgement. To stay and see our boys/girls die for nothing, is a bigger defeat than a withdrawl. The War should have never taken place, Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda should have remained our sole intended target, but it wasn't that way. now get out before we bleed more for a bunch of people that hate us anyway.
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