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Saturday, February 21, 2009
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
Count on the Constitution
by Michael Barone
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All of America was watching Barack Obama on Jan. 20 as he promised to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." But few thought that, within a month, controversy would arise over the Constitution's census clause.

"Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers," reads Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution. "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

This was a revolutionary step. Censuses had been conducted since ancient times, as readers of the Gospels know. But the United States was the first nation to conduct a census at regular intervals. And it was the first nation to base legislative representation on population. Not many federal agencies perform functions specifically set out in the Constitution. The Bureau of the Census does.

Today, the census determines more than representation. It also determines the amount of federal funding for a vast array of programs. As a result, politicians have an incentive to try to maximize the numbers of their constituencies. On occasion, they have rejected results they have found distasteful. After the 1920 census showed an increasing proportion of urban dwellers, Congress refused to reapportion seats in the House of Representatives among the states.

But under prodding from President Herbert Hoover, a law was passed setting a formula for automatic reapportionment based on the census numbers starting in 1930 and continuing to this day.

You didn't hear much about the census on the campaign trail. But controversy flared when Obama nominated Republican Sen. Judd Gregg to head the Department of Commerce, which has housed the Census Bureau since 1903. Almost immediately, there were protests from Congressional Black Caucus Chairwoman Barbara Lee (who cast the lone vote against military action in Afghanistan in 2001) and Hispanic groups. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs declared that the Census Bureau would report directly to the West Wing of the White House.

Gregg, perhaps miffed that a major function of the office for which he had been nominated would be taken over by Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, withdrew his name from consideration to be secretary. No new nominee has been named, but the issue remains: Will the politicians cook the numbers?

The black and Hispanic groups are concerned that blacks and Hispanics will not be fully counted. This is not a new issue. Census statisticians have known since the 1970s that there have been undercounts of people in neighborhoods with high crime rates or large numbers of illegal immigrants. Census Bureau professionals have worked to measure these undercounts and to minimize them by using official records and enlisting local volunteers to locate residents. Their efforts have had some success, as the undercount was lower in 2000 than in 1990.

Nonetheless, there have been demands that the Census numbers be adjusted by statistical sampling. The Supreme Court ruled in 1999 that sampling could not be used to apportion House districts among the states, but left open whether it could be used for other purposes. But after an intensive three-year study, Census professionals in 2003 said they could not guarantee that sampling would produce a more accurate count than the enumeration decreed by the Constitution.

As then-Census Director Louis Kincannon said, "Adjustment based on sampling didn't produce improved figures." Sampling might produce a more accurate number for large units but not for smaller units -- just as the sampling error in public opinion polls is small for the total population but much larger for small subgroups. At the block level, sampling would result in imputing people who aren't actually there.

The potential for political mischief, political overrepresentation and greater federal funding for favored groups is obvious, just as Congress' refusal to reapportion after the 1920 Census resulted in political overrepresentation of low-growth rural areas and under-representation of then-booming big cities.

The better procedure is to trust the professionals at the Census Bureau. "I found the Census personnel to be among the most conscientious of any group I'd encountered in government service," Bruce Chapman, census director in the Reagan administration, recently wrote.

"Whatever their personal political views (I suspect that most voted for Obama), their allegiance is to the integrity of the positions of public trust they hold." This comports with my own observations of Census personnel over the years. Like other federal statistical agencies, the Census Bureau has a proud culture, developed and nurtured over many years and in many administrations, of independence from political manipulation and dedication to statistical rigor.

So it's dismaying that the Obama White House, in response to political pressure, would consider overseeing the 2010 census. A better approach, endorsed by seven former Census directors and embodied in a bill sponsored by Rep. Carolyn Maloney, a New York Democrat, would be to set the Census Bureau apart as an independent agency. That would preserve, protect and defend the census that the framers of the Constitution took pains to establish.

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Impeach this Hater of the Constitution 1

Barack Hussein Obama is not one to be hindered by the Constitution. As a matter of fact, he is on record voicing his "fundamental" disagreement of it's "charter of negative liberties" in it's positive support of freedom from government tyranny.

Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber, Obama said the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

In a newly unearthed tape, Obama is heard telling Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM in 2001 that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth.

But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.

In the 2001 interview, Obama said:

“… the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.

It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. “

Says what the states can't do to you.

Says what the federal government can't do to you,

but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.”
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MUST DO...?

WTF?

Impeach this Hater of the Constitution 2

The Marxist lover of legislation-more-than Constitutional restraint on government rule by fiat, didn't stop there...

The Socialist "Constitutional scholar's" comments continued:
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"And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.

In some ways we still suffer from that.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=79225
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IMPEACH OBAMA- A Self-Avowed ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION and HATER OF FREE-MARKET CAPITALISM and of CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION FROM A TYRANNICAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Impeach this Hater of the Constitution 3

How can we expect Barack Hussein Obama to "protect or defend" a Constitution whose principles he fundamentally disagrees with?

His [and the Socialist-Democrat Party's] redistribution of wealth package is all the evidence I need to convince me that he [and the Democrat Party which is lined up to give him free reign] has no intention of doing either.
As far as I’m concerned, if he were a citizen, he would be a traitor.

The views John Kerry shared on his opposition to a tax cut/tax holiday type of solution to the so-called "economic crisis" facing OUR free-market businesses and the citizens who created and maintain them; that he and the other Democrat Party hacks in Washington D.C. are the ones who know best how to invest OUR hard-earned money, is a view shared by Barack Hussein Obama, himself.

The very nincompoops who claimed that their "civil liberties" were being taken away by Bush/Cheney tapping foreign cell phone transmissions, in their attempts to combat Islamic jihadist's designs on destroying our nation from within, voted upon themselves and us all, a regime of Socialist dictatorship under a Democrat Party which would take our earnings to spend as they wish, and holds nothing but disdain for the very Constitution that gives them that guarantees that liberty.

The Constitution cannot by itself stop Barack Hussein Obama...

"We the people" must step up and do our duty to defend it.

Let's roll...

oncealwaysamarine
Amen..it will come, these fools are overreaching in a big way and the more they
arrogant they are the harder they will fall.

Personally I think our God is taking us to the woodshed for a season so after we gets a few lumps on our thick skulls he can get through to this rebellious people. Unfortunately those who honor Him, worship and adore Him are caught in it also he's calling His People to repent and seek Him so He can heal our land.

This Navy vets wife, and mother of two Navy vets, mom in law of a wave and proud grammie of an active duty Navy
thanks you for your service and your current service still defending our country.

Now you understand......
Mr. Barone........

"The potential for political mischief, political overrepresentation and greater federal funding for favored groups is obvious,".....

Let's hope that the Census bureau can be transformed into an INDEPENDENT agency, otherwise, mischief of the highest order will most likely occur!

Oncealways - On ''negative liberties''
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It is perhaps not at all remarkable that an attorney specializing in constitutional law should write - in the treacherous vein of all such sonsofbitches - "that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties."

Hoo, boy.

Only a highly-trained lying motherporker like Mocha Marvin could step right past the simple fact of what the Constitution actually is -

(( which is to say a charter of federal government articulating the duties and responsibilities of that government, defining the lawful powers thereof, and specifical proscribing certain actions and trespasses upon the rights of the citizenry and the states participating in that federation ))

- and slime sinuously into the bald-faced idiot assertion that it is instead something he and his fellow thieving, raping, murdering, power-crazed co-conspirators would like it to be.

We stopped being a nation under Constitutional rule of law when St. Abraham stepped up to make his first inaugural address (the one they DON'T print in the high school history books), and we've been sliding further and further into totalitarianism ever since.

Frankly, I attribute the process more than "bipartisanly" to the Republican Party.

Unlike the average MSM shyte-for-brains clown, I know that history did not begin on Black Thursday (24 October 1929) with the Wall Street collapse that heralded the Great Depression which Herbert Hoover and a Republican Congress hammered down upon this nation.

And which, of course, FDR extended, exacerbated, and turned into three more depressions seriatim.

Give credit where credit's due, I say.

Bad as Hoover and FDR were, though, I think we've got us a real wowzer in the Moolie Messiah.

And he's doing it in plain sight of God, humanity, and the Internet.

What a set of brass balls. Amazing

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AMEN...Impeach the traitor
It's obvious that the elected socialist is not worthy to sit in the Oval Office.

And when taking a closer look at his quote I feel a churning in the pit of my stomach that threatens to erupt.

The Founding Fathers were a brilliant team of men, who took their very lives into their own hands when they signed The Declaration Of Independence and the Constitution. They were an unimpeachable group.

The elected Socialist has had a team of men working on ways to dismantle our Constitution and systematically destroy the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the likes of his mentors, Alinsky,Davis,Ayers,Marshall, Odinga et al. not to mention his affiliations with the new socialist party or whatever it was called. If their views come to bear fruit it'll be the end of the USA.

If this was the 1770's there would be PARTIOTS burning effigies of the elected socialist in the streets and tar and feathering his supporters like they did the torries. Thankfully we're "above" that right now in the USA
however "THE SONS OF LIBERTY" must again make their voices heard and stir the embers of a fire that's died out in the hearts of our younger generations. The internal and external forces set on decemating this REPUBLIC are HUGE however The American Spirit of '76 can be brought back with effort...
Time to fight this usurper of FREEDOM and regain our CONSTITUTION and the principals left to us by the brilliant founding fathers!

Thank you
posters. Your patriotism and love for this country shine through. The constitution enumerated and preserved the freedoms the Sons of Liberty and the Minutemen fought for. When it is corrupted or abrogated, freedom goes with it. Never has a more subtle and powerful attack been underway. The people empowering the attack don't even know what they are doing. At my age its pretty much a case of following Silver Lion's advice, pop a top, lean back, read up on what worked financially as the Weimar Republic went through massive inflation and financial collapse. Should an obvious opportunity present itself, i might yet be able to contribute a dissenting action or two.

Watch for the brown shirts...
In a speach in July of 2008, Obama spoke about mounting a civilian force as large and as strong as the US military to help oversee this transition.
He will pull this group out of the workers his new deal WPA is about to hire with our money that he just got apportioned with the "Stimulous" package. Be on the lookout for that monster to arise from our urban unemployed.

G'Morning Pistol and Fellow PATRIOTS
These are times that try mens souls!

How about a call to action?

In the Spirit of our Founding Fathers and to stimulate the economy let us all buy a "Webkinz" stuffed pig or another American Made pig and send them to Congress with a Gadsden flag sewn to their bodies.

As Thomas Jefferson so wisely said...

"what country can preserve it's liberties if it's rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? ...
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants....It's natures manure..."

What do you think?

This isn't the only problem
First thanks to OnceAMarine for your service to what used to be the U.S.
Second thanks to OnceAmarine for your honesty and accuracy.
Third, thanks to OnceAmarine for your right (correct) thinking, I sincerely hope we the people rise up and not only throw him and his U.S. hating wife ("for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country")out on their ears, but Pelosi, Reid, Clinton et al-after all they are the ones that have made all of this Socialism possible.
Now the fact that the Great Oz is anti-U.S. and an enemy of the U.S. Constitution is (hopefully) becoming more obvious to many of those who believed the idiot to be their "messiah". Unfortunately, there is another problem that the Great Oz and his Munchkins have created, read about it here;

http://suedad.blogtownhall.com/2009/02/21/smell_a_rat.thtml

and here;

http://www.dcexaminer.com/politics/The-RAT-hiding-deep-insi de-the-stimulus-bill-39805642.html


Nickle
"Obama spoke about mounting a civilian force as large and as strong as the US military to help oversee this transition."

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this "civilian force" would consist primarily of Crips, Bloods, and MS-13 gang bangers?

My guess is that this civilian force enlistment level IQ bar is going to be set pretty low so that even obambi voters could qualify. The thing we got going for us though is that this sounds a little too much like actual work so he'll have trouble recruiting.

Still I'm stockpiling ammo. An armed citizenry is a polite citizenry.

Obama supporters at Duke
During the Duke rape hoax, people (such as the "Hated 88" professors and adjuncts who were engaged in the Hoax also were known to say some pretty interesting things about the Constitution: that it "was written by old dead white men." Forgot who said that, but it appears to be a common thread of those engaged in the lynching of three innocent young men. These are the core Obama supporters - (with the exception of K.C. Johnson, a hero in the case who inexplicably supported Obama.)

This is a battle, folks, between freedom and tyranny. If we let these men and women dismantle our Constitution, we're screwed. If you look at how Ollie North and L. Giuffrida messed around with the Constitution - using FEMA as a form of Homeland Security, with the intent of declaring martial law, utilizing Executive Order 11490, you can see that the machineery is already in place.

All the Annonited One has to do is find an emergency big enough to fret about, and he can declare a state of emergency. Then, the Constitution that he and his 88 friends at Duke can be put in a shredder. And we'll live in a lost Democracy, this time a left-wing version.

Edna Eagle, Trespassers William
Edna Eagle
Good morning. My guess is a call to arms is quite a ways away, but Dumbo is moving at amazing speed, i must admit. I thought it would take many months before his agenda was as clear as it is now. However, democracies move very slowly. This is one thing those great evaluators of voter mood, FDR and Slick Willie knew. They never led us directly to war. They waited and waited until was was thrust upon us. In Willy's case, he was gone and Bush took the hit. In like fashion, any call to arms ( and i'm only guessingat what this means to you) will probably not be literal or come from any leader. To succeed it must be spontaneous and come from the grass roots. The chances are about 50/50 it will ever occur.

Trespasser William
You forgot to mention the clarity and quality of OncealwaysaMarine's prose. Otherwise a decent job of recognition. :-D

Edna Eagle, my apologies
Here i thought the call to action you mention was other than a call to buy a porker. Would that be the "Don't tread on Me" flag?

Now to put my SKS back on the rack. No harm done. Another cleaning didn't hurt it a bit.

Never, Never, Never Give In
Thanks Tea Party 1:25AM. We can never forget that the foundation for our freedom and the greatness of this nation was in the relationship of our founding fathers with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And with the wisdom that He gave them.

On October 29, 1941, in the darkest part of World War II, Winston Churchill gave a speech to the graduating class at Harrow School. In it he said: "never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

I've just started reading "The Shadow Party - How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party " by David Horowitz and Richard Poe. I didn't even get out of the introduction before I found something pertinent to understanding what George Soros, Bill Ayers, and other leftists have done through their puppets.

"In a 1957 tract, Czech Communist Party theoretician Jan Kozak explained how a small number of communists managed to gain power in Czechoslovakia...The trick was to exert pressure for radical change from two directions simultaneously --from the upper levels of government and from provocateurs in the streets." page x

ACORN anyone?

The arrogance of those who would destroy this nation is overwhelming. But greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4

Obama doesn't want to protect anything

Obama's goal is to destroy the USA as we know it. That should be pretty obvious to everyone by now.

We need to get rid of this guy before he destroys what's left of the USA.

While we're at it, we need to clean house in Congress also. Those fat folks need to go home to their districts and write some books on how they have stolen America from Americans.


Michael
"...So it's dismaying that the Obama White House, in response to political pressure, would consider overseeing the 2010 census...."

Here we go again. Political pressure is not entirely accurate. Why the pressure? The past failed regime did little necessary for the census and the whole process is far behind. As you pointed out this is important under the constitution. So direct oversight by the executive branch is necessary to get a good census at this point. Now, after this census perhaps a separate agency would be a good answer but this does create yet bigger government.

Pistol you crack me up...lol
YES, BUY A DON'T TREAD ON ME FLAG!

I fly my Culpeper Flag Daily in protest to the elected socialist. But a GADSDEN FLAG is GREAT too!
(From my blog)

The CULPEPER flag
I have decided to, and, respectfully ask All Americans, who want to resurrect this great land to start flying the Culpeper Flag of Patrick Henry!

The Culpeper Flag was the standard of a group of militia men from Culpeper County, Virginia. They were attached to the First Virginia Regiment, led by Colonel Patrick Henry, who is perhaps most famous for his statement, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!" The flag features the familiar rattlesnake symbol, the warning, "Don't Tread On Me", and the inspiring words of their leader, Colonel Patrick Henry

They can be bought here and they are AMERICAN MADE
(disclaimer I have no ties of any sort to this company but buy American only,... whenever possible)

http://www.flagstuff.com/historic-flags/culpeper.html

Or Here (cheaper, not all American made)

http://www.united-states-flag.com/culpepper.html

Support The America we love and show your dissent for the Elected Socialist,

I have decided to lower my American Flag to half staff and Fly the Culpeper flag in it's stead... till we are once again the America our founding fathers fought for.

The Flag companies have small desk size Gadsden flags that can be sewn onto a pig to send to Congress to remind them of the American Spirit of resistance

OBAMA & THE BUNGLED OATH OF OFFICE
Obama was the first President in U.S. history to bungle the oath of office on inauguration day, tripping up on the word "faithfully," the heart and soul of the oath. This was an ominous sign of Obama's coming failure to uphold the constitution and protect and defend the people of this land from its enemies.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read more about the meaning of Justice Roberts and Obama's bungled oath in my piece: Blago, Burris, Obamanomics and the Bungled Oath.



HighlanderJuan
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 6:49 AM EST
Obama doesn't want to protect anything

Obama's goal is to destroy the USA as we know it. That should be pretty obvious to everyone by now."

Yes the America you created is pretty nasty and poor. We want to restore the Founders' America you know the one that won WWII, the Cold War and landed on the moon

"...We need to get rid of this guy before he destroys what's left of the USA."

Is this a threat?


Hal Donahue PA Feb 21, 2009 - 7:00 AM ES

Hal, I can't speak for anyone else, but I just can't take your liberal, left wing wacko chatter and 'past regime' B.S. this morning. Go get some coffee or something, will you please?


A Letter from an English Woman

This would be funny if it weren't so true.

A Letter from an English Woman

Now let me get this straight: You hired a man with virtually no experience, and mysterious past who might not even be a natural born citizen to be your president... and who derives all his experience from the seat of all corruption.. Chicago. His first act was try to give a trillion of your dollars to Wall Street crooks with absolutely no accountability and he is still trying mightily.. The people who already got your money were caught trying to buy a jet plane bought outside your country. The parties who have received your money and spent it are already legend. We think that within six months the next monies will be partied out and they will be back for more!

His nominee for Sec of the Treasury is a tax evader. He was confirmed nevertheless. The next three whom he nominated were all tax evaders. Two of them had to withdraw on the same day. Your President promised that absolutely no lobbyists would be part of his administration. Already three of the biggest lobbyists in the country are on his team. Who fed you Americans a whopping dose of stupid? We grieve for the loss of your Constitution, common sense, and morality. I doubt if the Crown would take you back.

Greta Marley
London SW1

FLIGHTS 1549, 3407 AND 9/11
Five days before Obama took office, when Bush delivered his wise and moving farewell address, flight 1549 safely crashed into the Hudson River with no injuries to passenger and crew. Aboard the plane was John Howell, brother of a 9/11 victim (see below: George Bush, the Hudson River Miracle and his 9/11 Presidency).

28 days later, in the Age of the new 44th President, flight 1304 crashes to its doom in upstate New York killing its crew and 44 passengers. Aboard the ill starred flight was Beverly Eckart who joined her husband Sean in heaven, a 9/11 victim. Mrs. Eckart, great American, co-chairperson of the Voices of 9/11, was traveling to a high school ceremony at Clearance, where the plane went down, to celebrate her husband's 58th birthday-the two first met at this school. A sad, touching story, brings tears to my eyes.

In the space of 28 days we were given signs of the age that just passed-with a President who kept us safe after 9/11-and the tragic age that is upon us with an appeasing, placating, soft-on terror President, Neville Chamberlain's avatar Munich bound to Tehran. God help us all, Conservative, Liberal, Republican, Democrat. God help us all.



Hal Donahue PA Feb 21, 2009 - 7:04 AM ES

No, you're the threat.

Plain and simple
he lied and those of us with a little common sense and reason knew he would lie because plain and simple he hates the constitution for constricting him and he hates the USA because of his upbringing.

Juan
Term limits before its too late!Michael Steele needs to make this the center piece of his agenda for the republican party.You know the dimocrats are already looking for ways around the term limit for presidents.

Not By Accident
Barone quote: "The black and Hispanic groups are concerned that blacks and Hispanics will not be fully counted. This is not a new issue." Blacks (I thought they were Afro-Americans)need not worry - voted 9+ - 1 for the Messiah. A second Barone quote: "So it's dismaying that the Obama White House, in response to political pressure..." Political pressure from who - or what? This is by design, not an afterthought. How else can the leftists insure that they will stay in power forever?

Clear lines in the sands of our country!
A note to President Obama and the liberal Democrats: There are clear lines in the sands of our country. These are put there by our Constitution and Bill of Rights; and defended over the years by the lives of our patriots. Those who cross those lines do so at their own peril! Patriots will arise and defend these lines forever!

rdsefert OH Feb 21, 2009 - 7:15 AM EST

Term limits for all elected public servants is good.

Also, let's consider the following:

1. Part time Congress. Session in DC only two months per year. The rest of the year, elected officials are serving their constituents in their home state.

2. State senators get elected by the state legislature, rather than by public vote.

3. Elected senators, congressmen, and their staffs become funded by their home states. Exclusively. No DC perks. These guys are supposed to represent their states.

4. States sovereign rights as established by the Tenth Amendment must be re-declared by every state. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

5. National census needs to be returned to DoC.

6. With regard to any federal funding of any program, there must be a 30-day waiting period for objections before the signing and execution of the funding. Kind of like gun purchase waiting periods, right?

7. Any elected or employed public servant found guilty of acting outside the constraints of the United States Constitution, face jail time. And this includes Barnie Frank. And Nancy Pelosi. And Barack Obama.

8. Lawyers ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE. Under any circumstance.

another abuse
There is no need to make the Census Bureau an independent agency, what is needed is to stop "using", really abusing, the Constitution as a means of doing the opposite of what it was put in place for. When something like taking a census which is merely to be used for apportioning representation and taxes is used to divide the country and take ones property and give it to another then it is being used to deny life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and those who have sworn to uphold the Constitution are actually violating it. Let's be honest here, the Constitution is dead.

One more...

9. All federal funding bills need super majority votes before the bill is acceptable for submission to POTUS.

Lobbyists? Lobbyists?
We don't need no stinkin lobbyists.

But Obama does>

"Washington lobbyist Christine Varney is poised to take her third pass through the revolving door of lobbying and government with her nomination by President Barack Obama to be his administration’s top antitrust enforcer.

Also, on Thursday, Obama nominated Derek Douglas, a former lobbyist for the O’Melveny & Myers law firm and Center for American Progress, as special assistant on urban affairs.

As with most of the at least 14 former lobbyists nominated or hired by Obama, Varney and Douglas appear to be not covered by his executive order restricting the official activities of former lobbyists."

More at: http://www.dcexaminer.com/politics/Obama-administration-lo bbyist-count-increases-39885097.html


Obama has an agenda IMO
to take over this country and re-make it into the "workers paradise" that his communist mentors envision with the UN in charge. many of these liberals have watched too much Star-trek and believe in one world gov't rather than American patriotism, how else explain the election of a man who considers our own Constitution a "flawed document".

To do that he must get rid of all the civilian owned guns, which the UN has been pushing and which must happen if they are to be successful
How do you do that when we have the 2nd amendment?
You first create a nice crises or overstate the present one, you push the economy down into a depression until people take to the streets, then in the name of public safety, you declare martial law and confiscate as many weapons as possible.
The question then becomes this...those in the military and those of us who are retired from it or who served in it took an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign AND domestic.

An assault from the gov't itself on this basic right becomes an assault from a domestic enemy, will the officer corps step up to their duty and refuse to act thereby assisting the patriots in their revolution against the usurper and his minions?

I fear we will know the answer to this in a relatively short time given the commie in chief's utter disregard for the document that is supposed to limit what this bunch of clowns on the hill are allowed to do to us.

Remember, Lenin started out as a "community organizer".




ApolloSpeaks
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 7:02 AM EST
OBAMA & THE BUNGLED OATH OF OFFICE
Obama was the first President in U.S. history to bungle the oath of office on inauguration day,..."

Simply not true

"...This was an ominous sign of Obama's coming failure to uphold the constitution and protect and defend the people of this land from its enemies."

The cute little propeller on your tin hat is auto rotating... Interesting how you attack our president when you blindly followed the failed Bush. Perhaps you need to read history and our constitutional process rather than spew hate and the same old dissension?

Bill NY Feb 21, 2009 - 8:11 AM EST

Little rough on the Hal, aren't you? I think he only contributes for the attention, and maybe his worst fears are that we ignore him.

hollow man
Obama is a hollowman...a construct. The big question is...who is filling the void?

Hal wrote:

"The past failed regime did little necessary for the census"

Really? Could you give us some proof of this declaration? The Bush administration did not preside over a census. What should it have done?
He didn't do anything to promote Halley's comet either. Gee, let's try to think of some more things that didn't happen under Bush that were his fault.

LMFAO at a liberal airhead w/o a life. ESAD

Will the politicians cook the numbers?
Should read; "Will the dhimmicrats cook the numbers?"

Answer: Of course they will, just like Slick Willie cooked the books to reflect a more favorable economic climate than actually existed prior to Bush taking over and discovering a mild recession.

Since any repubbican found to be crooked seems to be quickly sanctioned, is it only fair to do likewise to dhimmicrats? Why do they always get a pass?

The census move was one of only a few tricks Obama has pulled so far that made it into the light of day. How many schemes against the people are being cooked up behind the scene?

His recent disclaimer over the un-Fairness Doctrine is a feint. They are busted with their flagrant targeting of the 1st Amendment so they'll go at those whose opinion they hate through other channels.

Never in my life did I ever expect my gubmint (that I defended for 21 years in the military) would be coming after my basic rights, guaranteed by the Constitution; freedom of speech, right to bear arms, freedom of assembly and worship, private property (my wages), and on and on.

You libs better pay attention because my rights are also YOUR RIGHTS! You may not have to guts or gumption to fight for them, BUT A LOT OF US WILL!!!

Brown shirts better not show up in my neighborhood, nor union thugs at my workplace. They'll get a mudhole stomped into their butts, and that's a promise from me to you.

Highlander Juan
The woman from England is not a good authority to advise America. The British government is so far gone it has, in all respects, declared itself as an openly leftist government. A government allied with Islam and hostile to the West. It is truly the “Dead Island”

On February 12 Dutch parliament member Geert Wilders arrived in Heathrow airport, and was escorted under guard to immigration, and was refused entry by authorities. He was accused of "inciting hatred." The Foreign Secretary David Milliband said that Wilder’s film Fitna contains “extreme anti-Muslim hate and we have very clear laws in this country.

And so they do.

Of course, everything said about Islam in Fitna comes from the Koran. But it's a rule of modern liberalism that to quote accurately a damaging statement by a minority or non-Westerner is an act of hatred.

Britain, like America, needs a revolution. The ruling elite of the country, Labor and Conservative, are enemies of our civilization, are enemies of us---the West---and must be turned out before they turn us out. I don't know how it will happen. I just know it needs to happen.

See the whole story in the London Times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article57170 91.ece

vamtns41
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 7:44 AM EST
Clear lines in the sands of our country!
A note to President Obama and the liberal Democrats: There are clear lines in the sands of our country. These are put there by our Constitution and Bill of Rights; and defended over the years by the lives of our patriots. Those who cross those lines do so at their own peril! Patriots will arise and defend these lines forever!"

You are darn right and I am one of them. You may want to look in a mirror to make certain you are too

R-E-P-A-R-A-T-I-O-N-S...NOT Stimulus
The Economic stimulus is about reparations not economic stimulus. Blacks are stuck in the mud of their own low esteem. Obama has tapped into this sludge of self pity and is trying to buy power. Luckily, constitutional amendments aren't too easy to get ratified. Tax cheat Tim and Tax Cheat Rahm will do their best to advocate British Subject Barry's agenda. If BHO's mother didn't meet residency requirements following the birth of her son how can he be President? Surely her exit and entry records are a matter of public record. His birth location is irrelevant. Offer a reward of $10 million dollars for proof of his birth and the information will suddenly appear like the Rose Law firm billing records did. Of course there is no statute of limitations on natural born citizenship status.

Bill
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 8:11 AM EST
Hey Hal in PA. You Punk
In regards to your question to Highlander Juan: is this a threat? What?! are you already signed up to be one of "Dear Leader's" "Brown Shirts?" Are you looking for clarification so you can call the Secret Service. You can kiss my "arse" you liberal SOB."

I don't have to call the Secret Service they already monitor here I am certain given that it has a fair number of crazies.

"...We are not a mean and nasty country..."

No we are not the election and inauguration day proved that. But conservatives as a group certainly appear to be if here and the talkers are any indication

" The meanness and nastiness comes from you "#$%^" when we don't agree with your point of view..."

LOL if you say so but just compare

"... If you wan to see and experience nastiness first hand, I'll be happy to provide the block of instruction. It would be very satisfying to kick in your teeth and leave you the way O'l SGT Snorkel leaves Private Beetle Bailey after disagreement. I'm itching to slap you in the face."

Ahhh the psuedo tough guy is all threats because his intellect appears very limited



Hawkeye58
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 8:52 AM EST
Hal wrote:

"The past failed regime did little necessary for the census"

Really? Could you give us some proof of this declaration? The Bush administration did not preside over a census. What should it have done?..."

There have been numerous articles over the past couple of years on concern about the coming census and lack of preparedness. Check them out

goldilocks
The woman from England is not a good authority to advise America. The British government is so far gone it has, in all respects, declared itself as an openly leftist government. A government allied with Islam and hostile to the West. It is truly the “Dead Island”

She has actually experienced the hell where Obama and the libtards are taking this country.
I think she might have better knowledge on the subject than you think

Interesingly
Barone's first premise is incorrect. As everyone knows, the "oath" that Mr. Obama took on the steps of the Capitol was so botched that protocol required it be re-administered a couple of days later in the White House in a private ceremony, unattended as we now all know, by representatives of the press.

In that actual swearing in, and while Chief Justice Robert's wife and children were entertained in another room by members of Obama's fledgling domestic security unit, Mr. Obama took the following oath:

"I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States inasmuch as it does not interfere with my plans, so help me God."

Chief Justice Roberts then congratulated the new President, shook his hand and turned to await his wife and children who were immediately released to him.

Census not a big problem!
Lets just turn the census over to Acorn and community organizers. This way we can show that over half of this country is made up of blacks and mexicans. Then, those of us who work for a living can share more of our wealth.

Where is John Galt?

shorts
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 8:59 AM EST
HAL Danahue
Mornnig Hal , hope all is well with you and yours"

all is very well enroute to CT to see the granddaughter and oh yeah my son and daughter in law LOL. Life is truly good right now

"...I just wanted to add my cents about Apollo
...What do you think ?"

Nah I suspect he lives in an old trailer down a dusty dirt road. Not that there is anything wrong with that to each their own

Hal
You know your boy want's to do something Illegal, he is from Chicago, right?

The way it is going with his reparation plan, he won't have the chance to play that card.

OncealwaysaMarine
Ditto everything you said in the first 3 posts.

UnGreen
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 9:18 AM EST
...Where is John Galt?"

probably gone to a tea party with the actor John Wayne

Eagle Eye o1
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 9:23 AM EST
Hal.."

No more a cesspool than SC I have lived in both places. I liked Chicago and some parts of SC

goldilocks MA Feb 21, 2009 - 8:56 AM EST

I lived in England for a while, and I remember well that the Brits can always see what the problems are, and even figure how to solve them.

The challenge for them (as well for us, I suppose) is actually making the change. Change is always uncomfortable, and right now it is not obvious to enough Americans that the promise of infinite quantities of ice cream is really an Obama wet dream, and will never happen.

The great value of the letter from Greta Marley is that 1) she is an outsider and sees what we don't, and 2) she states the obvious simply and clearly (which we sometimes have difficulty doing).

But your point is well made. What the Brits are experiencing is what we have to look forward to, if we're not careful (which we don't appear to be).

The world has a population of about 6B right now, and it has been forecasted that the earth can support a total of about 8B humans. What I think we and our children will see in the next 50 years is 1) continual war, 2)energy shortages, 3) famine, 4) population destruction.

Not a very pretty sight at all. The Boy Scout motto is 'Be Prepared.' We need to grow up and listen to that motto, and follow its guiding theme. This is important.

Alternatively, we can say good-bye to America, and hello to China, or Russia, or Islam.

Our choice.

Hal, "there you go again..."
"There have been numerous articles over the past couple of years on concern about the coming census and lack of preparedness. Check them out"
-----

As usual, you posit an opinion as though it were fact, then "cite" articles you have supposedly read, yet do not provide any sources or links.

This has been your modus operandi since you began your self-appointed "public service" here at Townhall.

Perhaps you and your fellow leftists ought to take a peek at the calendar. Who, pray tell, was president during the 2000 census?

This is just another in a growing line of Constitutional overreaches by the MC-Obama "regime" - and you are just fine with it because you are a koolaidaholic.

Obama has Nothing to Give

Barack Obama has 'Nothing' to give Americans but 'Fear Itself'.

Barack Obama's 'Stimulus Bill' was passed by the 'Politics of Fear' - Obama used the word 'Crisis' 25 times in a recent speech.

'Scaremongering' is the core doctrine of Liberals and Barack Obama.

undercounting of illegals.
I have no sympathy for those who fear an accurate counting of persons in the United States.

In the case of "illegals", unless the government rounds them up, deports them, and then staffs the thousands of miles of border to prevent their return(and neither political party has endorsed that), then undercounting of illegals has adverse economic and social consequences.

They use our roads, drink our water, avail themselves of hospital emergency care, and a host of other activities.

Funding to build and repair our roads, maintenance of our infrastructure, fire and police services, etc., is bound to be affected by estimates of how many persons make use of such facilities.

Some of this funding comes from federal and/or state grants(either directly or to states and other govt entities who then allocate the funds).

Failure to account for correct numbers of users results in increasing tax burden for existing taxpayers to maintain these facilities and services, which these "invisible" illegals use.

And that does not make any sense to me.

If they are here, and no consensus by government exists to deport them, then it is asinine not to capture their numbers when it comes funding for our infrastructure.


America Nothing to Fear but Barack Obama

America has nothing to fear but Barack Obama and his American Hating Liberal followers.

Barack Obama and his Liberal followers, are using 'Fear' to accomplish what they have lived and trained for their entire lives - The Destruction of the American economy - so they can replace it with Socialism.

The Barack Obama 'Stimulus Plan' is roughly equal to the amount of all U.S. currency in circulation, on the day it was signed into law.

"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.” Vladimir Lenin

HighlanderJuan
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 9:33 AM EST
goldilocks MA Feb 21, 2009 - 8:56 AM EST

I lived in England for a while, and I remember well that the Brits can always see what the problems are, and even figure how to solve them...."

Amen to that we agree for once.

Obama 'US Economic System Must Fail'

Every time Obama speaks 'Fear', the Stock Market drops, much to the delight of the Obama Administration.

While the Stock Market drops, Obama Liberals scream 'Yes We Can'.

Barack Obama and his 'Hate America Liberals' know the SUCCESS of the Barack Obama administration will be the FAILURE of the American economic system.

Primus54
"Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 9:45 AM EST
Hal, "there you go again..."
"There have been numerous articles over the past couple of years on concern about the coming census and lack of preparedness. Check them out"
-----

Hope my stalker is doing well. We missed you LOL.

"As usual, you posit an opinion as though it were fact, then "cite" articles you have supposedly read, yet do not provide any sources or links.

This has been your modus operandi since you began your self-appointed "public service" here at Townhall."

Yes and it will continue to be. The sources are out there if, as in the past I provide links you whine they are not valid. Find your own

"Perhaps you and your fellow leftists ought to take a peek at the calendar. Who, pray tell, was president during the 2000 census?"

History what does it matter now. It is about the lack of preparation for the coming census

"This is just another in a growing line of Constitutional overreaches by the MC-Obama "regime" - and you are just fine with it because you are a koolaidaholic."

There is no overreach Congress must approve

Retired Geek
America had much to fear in George Bush and his American Hating Conservative followers.

-- I'm not so sure why he hated America so much, but with the passing of our Constitutional rights and habeas corpus, we lost a lot with the Shrub. Why do Republicans hate America so much? Why are they so greedy as to destroy this great nation while plundering the economy?

George Bush and his Conservative followers used 'Fear' to accomplish what they have lived and trained for their entire lives - The Destruction of the American economy - so they can replace it with Despotism.

-- See how relevant this is? Bush already destroyed the economy, so I can write this without any assumptions like you. Obama's plan is at least a plan and not a waiting game that failed for GWB. When the economy recoveres from the Bush Follies, we won't expect an apology from Cons, but we do reserve the right to say I told you so. Of COURSE you will take full advantage of the results, but who can blame you after hurting with the Bush "plan".

The GWB 'Stimulus Plan' is nothing more than sending our tax dollars to Halliburton and Blackwater, and consisted of spending more and taxing less (while blaming the Democrats).

"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to elect another spend-more-tax-less Republican.” Me

Democrat's contempt for the law
The constitution clearly states that the census must consist of head counts. The Dems have been trying for years to replace actual head counts with statistical sampling. They want to do this, because (as we all know), clever people can manipulate statistics to produce any result they want. And the Dem's intent is to produce a census that has a higher percentage of minorities...thus more Dem congressional districts and more federal money flowing to them.

If the Dems pull this off it will once again prove what utter contempt they have for the constitution and rule of law. They remind me so much of the european Marxists; anything is permitted as long as it helps them acquire power.

Bush: 'The economy is STRONG!'
Remember when Bush kept telling us how great the economy was? Remember that even McCain bought into this farce?

I remember, and I recall looking at the economic indicators and knowing full well that a disaster was near. Nothing looked good. No indicators pointed to a recovery from the Bush slide.

And yes Bush told the American public that everything as OK.

--> SO what happened to the economy with all of those rose-glassed predictions? Our economy TANKED. TANKED.

At least President Obama is telling us the truth, and not what some delusional Republicans only wish to hear.

THE CHICAGO THUGS
are at it again. All of the actions of Obama during the past 30 days are to take control of this country.
Stimulus (spending) bill - payoff to all the unions and political allies who supported Obama's election.
Gun control - take away citizens right to bear arms.
Change the Census Bureau - control of votes of minorities and Hispanics.
Amnesty of Illegals - This will happen to assure the Democrats of 5-10 Million more votes.
A Nation of Cowards - Eric Holder wants division in this country not unity.

The Chicago Thugs and all Democrats are attempting to create a strong one party system in this country.

Mr. Holder - we are not a country of cowards as the Obama Administration will find out if all of you keep pushing us.



ACORN mob begins breaking into homes
“This is our house now:” ACORN mob begins breaking into homes

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/20/this-is-our-house-now- acorn-mob-begins-breaking-into-homes/

By Michelle Malkin • February 20, 2009 09:25 AM

On Wednesday, I said prepare for lawlessness as ACORN’s civil disobedience mob steps up pressure for President Obama’s mortgage entitlement expansion.

Well, are you ready, Baltimore? (Hat tip - Jeff Quinton) ACORN’s troops are breaking the padlocks and breaking into homes. And this is just the start. Caution: OBAMACORN at work.

A community organization breaks into a foreclosed home in what they are calling an act of civil disobedience.

The group wants to train homeowners facing eviction on peaceful ways they can remain in their homes.

Derek Valcourt reports their actions are not without controversy.

Near Patterson Park, the padlock on the door and the sign in the window tells part of Donna Hanks foreclosure story.

“The mortgage went up $300 in one month,” said Hanks, former homeowner.

She says the bank refused to modify her loan and foreclosed, kicking her out of the house in September.

The community group ACORN calls Hanks a victim of predatory lending.

“This is our house now,” said Louis Beverly, ACORN.

And on Thursday afternoon, they literally broke the foreclosure padlock right off the front door and then broke into the house, letting Hanks back in for the first time in months.
Taxpayer-subsidized anarchy is on the way.

Mr. President? Mr. President?

Sorry inthemajority, but you're wrong
By exactly 180 degrees.

For most of the last eight years Bush warned that the economy, specifically the housing industry was in trouble. John McCain and Bush tried several times to put stronger regulations on Fanny and Freddie, and EVERY TIME, the DEMOCRATS fought it saying there was no problem.

Watch the video and weep. This was in 2004.

http://vodpod.com/watch/1038839-dems-refuse-to-reform-fredd ie-fannie-in-2004-video

FREEDOM
It doesn't come cheap. You want to keep what this nation has?We must all take a stand against those that would turn this place into another Cuba or Venezuela! So far though,it seems as if there is an unknown fear(maybe lack of confidence)of those that survived the 06 election year. Where are the good men?

GOOD OLE HAL
Makes you feel good to mock people ,doesn't it?When I first seen some of your comments,I thought this guy really knows his stuff! He's been everywhere and done that,but to my dismay Hal you must be drunk.

ACORN and Obama a Tradition

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a grassroots political organization.

ACORN invited Obama to help train its staff. Moreover, Obama eventually would sit on the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave a number of sizable grants to ACORN.

In April 2007 The Nation reported, “Today Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side [of Chicago].”

1) ACORN is the largest radical group in America, with 175,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 850 chapters in 70 US cities.

2) ACORN is implicated in numerous reports of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams during the 2004 election.

Census
I can understand the black community squawking on representation, as they are perpetual complainers with a propensity for the handout, but what could the complaints from the Hispanic sector have to do with reassigning the reporting and control of the Census to the White House if it’s not the BOGUS concern that they want illegal immigrants counted so they can be apportioned EVEN MORE government welfare at taxpayers’ expense AGAIN? And if the reapportionment includes redrawing political boundaries doesn’t that mean these non-citizen scofflaws/criminals are actually getting political representation? Something really stinks here!

The democrats are itching to give amnesty to all the riff-raff, scofflaw, illegal aliens in the country knowing that they will be a source of votes for generations to come. And with that demographics’ bent on a minimum of four kids per family, it will become a majority quickly, a majority that have a strong socialistic mindset, a propensity for the handout, and a desire not to integrate or embrace the ways of the adopted nation but to foist their culture and third world mentality on others.

ACORN Members Obama's Security Force

Obama's Personal National Security Force will probably be made up of ACORN members.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Barack Obama Speech July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs CO
------------------------------------------------
Barack Obama said: 'civilian national security force'.

Civilian - Would NOT include military or other Law Enforcement agencies.
National - Would NOT recognize State Boundaries.
Security - Security for what?
Force - This word usually denotes power and authority.

Why does Barack Obama want a Civilian Security Force?
1) Just as powerful as the Military.
2) Just as strong as the Military.
3) Just as well funded as the Military.

What will Barack Obama have this 'Civilian National Security Force' do?

Census II
I live in a large city north of the border in AZ but there is a huge spillover effect from this illegal immigrant rabble. Enlightened conservatives have been speaking to this issue for years, mostly to deaf ears. Illegal immigration is a HUGE fiscal burden on the Nation and that does not include all the other issues like the wide and disproportionate array of crimes committed. From jobs being taken away, to money being exported to their home country, to heavy reliance on social services like hospitals (e.g., lot of babies delivered at taxpayers’ expense), to subsidized education, to translation services, to free legal representation, to the costs associated with crime like more police presence, ID theft and false ID fabrication (forgery), vagrancy, drug running and distribution, near total disregard for traffic laws, kidnappings, rapes, thefts, assaults, muggings, murders, and on and on. They are serial scofflaws at the very least and criminals as a norm. Their moral code is certainly not compatible with ours. Add to all that is the danger of spreading communicable diseases. This is not to be taken lightly as an epidemic can be devastating as well as costly. The collective costs to society are mind boggling but their everyday behavior is also objectionable. They make no effort to learn English, have no sense of hygiene standards like not spewing their garbage all over the place, and they generally have a thug’s mentality. You get the sense that these people are here to invade the country and they are quietly fulminating that they can’t rob, rape, and pillage at will as if it was their due. Our legal system was not designed to address this kind of assault on the Nation. We must deal with this situation with real resolve; “take the kid gloves off”. Mexico must also take responsibility for the exodus and take appropriate measures.

GEEK
Good point! why would Obama want a security force? (To shove socialisim down our throats) Take over just like Fido and Chavez!

STAN -KS
FREEDOM DOES NOT COME CHEAP

You are right, freedom does not come cheap. But we still have a country of good men and women who are willing to stand and defend this country because they love this country and what it stands for.

All my life I have heard and talked to the strong Americans who know the difference between liberty and oppression and I grew up around a family of warriors who stood on the wall to protect our liberties. I have confidence in our future because I know that this spirit still exists all across this land and we will run up Old Glory and man the barricades if necessary.



inthemajority,

What the Sam Hill are you talking about?
"At least Obama is telling us the truth".
What truth, that the Bush Administration is responsible? To believe that we have to forget the high gas prices, the foreclosures, we know who's fault that is, Achorn, democrats in congress etc. Every attempt by the Bush Admin. to get some oversight on Fannymae and Frediemac and other lending institutions was shot down and not allowed to get out of committee. The democrats blocked every attempt, eleven in all. Once again we have to put up with revisionist history.

Seawolf
There is no need to insult Star Trek. Obama provides ample grounds for criticism.

Obama's Sacrifice for the Common Good

"Sacrifice for the Common Good" has failed in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, American Communes, General Motors, Ford, Chrysler, Cuba, and countless other companies and countries that have tried it.

The glassy eyed followers of Barack Obama believe he can make it work, because he is Obama-Messiah.

The Barack Obama Doctrine: 'Let those who will NOT work or pay their bills, cash the first checks'.

Obamunism coming to America while his cultist followers chant 'Yes We Can.

Lee'

Calm down Lee. I don't understand the anger. You know that Bush is not the only one responsible for the deficit. Oh and by the way it's not 7 trillion, its 3.2 trillion. Remember that for 4 of Bush's 8 years, the senate was a democrat majority, and 2 years for the house. So lets revise history back to what's true and give the demo's some credit to.

Oklahoma DEFIES DUM-BOMB-BA
Oklahoma House Votes 83 to 13 to Restore Sovereignty

Oklahoma House Votes 83 to 13 to Restore Sovereignty

On Wednesday the Oklahoma House of Representatives became the first state legislative body this year to pass a resolution affirming its "sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States." This resolution, HJR1003, was passed by a very large margin, 83 to 13 on February 18. At least another 20 state legislatures are considering similar resolutions.

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/21/oklahoma-house-votes -83-to-13-to-restore-sovereignty.aspx

Retake the House in 2010
Then initiate impeachment proceedings.

Hal wrote:

'There have been numerous articles over the past couple of years on concern about the coming census and lack of preparedness. Check them out.'

Sorry to report that my search yielded no articles blaming Bush for the shortcomings in the census to be taken beginning 435 days after he left office. Even Wobbie da wanger would give you an F on this.

I did learn this though: the deputy director of the Census Bureau retired in 2008 and by 2010 45% of the bureau's employees will be eligible for retirement. Bush oversight for not staggering these people's employment 20-30 years ago?

LET'S NOT FORGET HE'S AN ILLEGAL POTUS

Nothing posted here trumps the fact that Comrade Obama is holding the office illegally.

It's so painfully obvious that he is not Constitutionally qualified to be in the office
of POTUS.

One way or another, this truth will be known, then lookout, America!

USPatriot56
Thanks for the link. As a result, I've emailed my state representative asking for similar action in my state (Connecticut). We're not on the list of legislatures considering similar resolutions. Yet.

REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION!
A cursory reading of Art. I Sec. 2 does not even say the Federal government has to conduct the census. Let the states do their own but with both Democrats and Republicans checking up on each other. I know that would be dangerous in some places like the Land of Lincoln...er, Obama, but freedom is filled with dangers.

This process should be as far away from the seat of power as is practically possible.

Check out the TENTH AMENDMENT MOVEMENT. This can have some awesome -- as in WON-der-ful -- ramifications for our country. BUT SEE FOR YOURSELF!!
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/general-political-discussi on/42203-states-rights-sovereignty.html#post959041
http://www.mrstep.com/politics/az-wa-mo-nh-ok-claiming-sove reignty/

I do not trust Emanuel or Obama
coming from Illinois I have seen them and their friends in action for many years-ACORN, Daley, DeLeo, Emil Jones, Burris, Madigan, Jackson[s],Rostenkowski, Ryan and Durbin they are all crooks and liars who have trained Obama and Emanuel-BEWARE.

Obama has failed every Judgment Test

Selecting Tax Cheats for the Obama cabinet.

An Attorney General who thinks American Citizens are 'Cowards'.

Rod Blagojevich - whom Obama campaigned for and endorsed - is just one of the many 'Nefarious' characters which Barack Obama has aligned himself.

Tony Rezko - convicted felon - and Obama had several business dealings.

Obama started his political career in the home of Bill Ayers - unrepentant terrorist.

Ali Abunimah head of a radical Palestanian group received contributions from Obama.

Barack Obama chose his Mentor and spiritual adviser, Jeremiah 'God Damn America' Wright.

The list seems endless - read about more of them on my blog.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml


The only consistency Barack Obama has shown in his career is 'Bad Judgment'.

Need a morale boost?
Go to a gun show.

I just got back from one. There had to be 5,000 strong and not ONE obama supporter in the bunch. AR-15's, reloading materials, and high capacity magazines were the big ticket items.

Fear not. There is an army quietly forming to defend our rights. I wouldn't want to be the leader that tries to take away the right to defend ourselves.

Letter from London
Greta Marley doubts that the Crown would take us back, but I am not sure why she thinks that. We have abandoned our Constitution and become almost as socialist/fascist as "Great" Britain. The Dems led the way, and the gutless, bipartisan, "compassionate conservative" Repubs followed right along.

Our republic (Article 4, Section 4) has degenerated into a "wonderful" democracy, and the mob is forcing everyone to march in lockstep with the dictates of the majority. Amendments 9 and 10 are ignored, and individual freedom/responsibility is no longer even a goal.

So, why am I supposed to be surprised that the census provisions of the Constitution are also being ignored?

DUM-BOMB-(AFGHANISTAN)-BA
Fake POTUS DUM-BOMB-(AFGHANISTAN)-BA has no respect for US Constitution.

He is NOT elegible under Article II section I to serve as POTUS ... He knows this ...

Secondly, has ANYONE ever seen a video of his OATH OF OFFICE DO-OVER that he purportedly did in private (SECRET) after blowing the oath of office in front of world at original swearing-in ceremony of our FOREIGNER-IN-CHIEF.

Thirdly he has admitted that he is not eligible to be POTUS:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

The Second Amendment Attacked
A huge threat to our basic freedoms is looming in the House. Please take a look at the BLAIR HOLT FIREARM LICENSING & RECORD ACT OR 2009, HR #45. This bill is the initial step to destroy the basic freedoms granted in the Bill of rights.
The basic points of the Bill:
- ALL firearms must be registered with federal government.
- ALL owners will be fingerprinted under Federal Control.
- You must register your drivers license number.
- You must register your SSN.
- You will have to agree to a physical and/or mental exam that can be ordered by the Federal Government at any time.
- Each change of ownership must be re-registered at a $25 cost.
- All firearms in a home with a minor child must be "properly secured".
- Anyone with registered firearms in the home are subject to onsite inspection by Federal authorities at anytime of their choosing to insured that weapons are properly "secured".
- Failure to meet these restrictions on firearm ownership can cause a fine or imprisonment up to 5 years.

I have no problem with local, State directed firearm registration as most states have currently. However, this is a centralized, Federal Government system. Please investigate for yourself. Contact your Senator and Representative.

This scary Bill appears to be the first step in eliminating the right to bear arms.

Eliminating an armed citizenry has been a major step in the advancement of tyrannical dictatorships.

Barack Obama is CEO of the US

Liberals claim that the CEO's of failed companies should be harshly punished.

Liberals believe that CEO's of large companies shouldn't fly in private jets.

Liberals think CEO's should only have a $1 a year salary.

Liberals want CEO's to NOT party on Government money.

Liberals insist that anything that is wrong in ANY company is ultimately the fault of the CEO.

Will Liberals apply that same system on Barack Obama?

SJDoc
"And he's doing it in plain sight of God, humanity, and the Internet."

You said God...you must be really angry! :)

Nevertheless, I agree with your post completely. Lincoln was a statist and I can't understand why even conservatives revere him so much. But it's no wonder that Chairman Obama holds him up as a hero...birds of a feather.

Onceandalways, how do we as citizens commence impeachment proceedings? Do we start a petition to present to Congress?

Hey Harold! You
are truly an amazing fellow. You regularly come to Townhall spewing your Huffpo inspired nonsense which never contributes anything meaningful to the discussion. Every day you come, you are ridiculed and insulted and no one shows you any respect.
How does it feel to have your tuchus handed to you each time you visit big guy? You really must crave attention regardless of where it is coming from.
BTW! The Big O has placed a gag order on the Pentagon. No one is to divulge any information pertaining to the DOD budget.
This on top of the Census Bureau grab is getting a little scary.
So much for transparency.

UnGreen, I'm right here
in NYC, but not for long. South of Richmond and/or West of the Mississippi soon, very soon.

I'm taking a year off. But the traitors in D.C. will just print money to make up for the loss of my taxes paid...so remember "inflation is not your friend".

old progrmr
It is the first step and the next step is currently in the state legislature of Illinois.

Corndog, where in PA?
I need to come over (from Long Island). Where was that party you recently attended (lol!)?

When/where is the NEXT one?

Lack of war costs in Bush 43 budgets.
With the exception of 2008, the Bush administration avoided the traditional means of including the projected costs of the Iraq war in the annual(or semi annual)appropriations process.

This is in contrast to the past.

Instead, Bush masked the cost of the Iraq war(except for 2008)thru "supplemental appropriations" outside of the yearly budgetary requests a president submits to Congress.

"The failure to include estimates of the costs of these military operations in the administration's annual projections of federal spending means that those projections substantially understate likely future funding requirements," says Steven Kosiak of the Center For Strategic and Budgetary Assessments".

On supplemental military budget requests, the normal congressional committees on military matters are bypassed, which would not be the case under the normal9military)appropriations process.

"With the exception of the 1991 Gulf War, which was financed almost entirely by contributions from U.S. allies, the United States has paid for war through a combination of tax increases, domestic budget cuts and some borrowing. But that pattern changed with the Bush administration", writes Kosiak.

Bush 43 was totally chickens**t.

Not only did he conceal the true costs of the Iraq war via budgetary gimmickry, but he was not man enough to institute the draft, and instead flippently told Americans to "go shopping' as their contribution to this conflict while he exposed our exhausted military to repeated, multiple tours of duty.

Yet koolaid swiggers apologize for him every step of the way.

Obama would really have to try, I mean really try, to be even one tenth as bad as Bush.


Obama above politics
Obama was declared a transformational leader by the press. He is just that. He has transformed this country into one severly divided nation. He had a chance to bring people together but chose to take us to the far, far left.

Who is John Galt?
It was in York, PA. It was huge. Probably 200 plus vendors.

Go to "www.thegunshows.com". They have a list of all the up-coming shows.

Be advised, prices are going up.

Census by Sampling?
As a senior living with a daughter and son-in-law, I wonder what "sampling" I would fall under? How in the name of common sense can anyone believe that any sampling design can include all sizes and shapes? This is such an obvious power grab - why are the worshippers so totally blind?

Not Much of a Lawyer, huh Shorts
"a) In General- This Act and the amendments made by this Act may not be construed to preempt any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision of that State, or prevent a State or political subdivision of that State from enacting any provision of law regulating or prohibiting conduct with respect to firearms, except to the extent that the provision of law is inconsistent with any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act, and then only to the extent of the inconsistency.

This wording indicates that if a State passes a law even more restrictive than the federal law, the more restrictive measure would be superior to the federal law. Also, "except to the extent that the provision of (State) law is inconsistent with any provision of this act....." which means that any state law cannot be "inconsistent" with the Federal Law, i.e. less restrictive State laws are NOT recognized and cannot be superior to the Federal law.

C'mon, you leftists cannot continue to hide behind convoluted legal language and try to pull the wool over the eyes of an educated citizenry. We have been fooled before, no more! Why even pass this bill if the States can supersede it. The left HATES States Rights and the 10th Amendment, you know it and I know it! Why even pass this bill if the States can supersede it.

I already know it's bunk
This will be my third census and no one has ever attempted to count me or anyone in my family.

Each time, I've lived at a normal address, kept normal hours etc and I've yet to receive a form, questionaire or have been interviewed.

The same goes for many other folks when I asked if they were counted.

Who exactly are census takers counting? Are they just falsifying their records to keep from having to do their job?

Charlie S.
Great video of the lying Democrats in action. Lying through their teeth right on camera. Liberal media should be forced to play these tapes over and over again every night just before the nightly news. ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN. All of them should be made to play it during the NObama term.

Manipulate the results mof the census?
Not NObama. Not Pelosi and Reid. Oh My!
Now why would a lying cheating Democrat such as NObama who has cheated his way to the White House since birth, (I guess you could say since birth as he was not born in a U.S. or in a U.S. Territory.)cheat on the census? He has manipulated and cheated on everything he has touched from community organizing to home buying to terrorist friends to birth certificate. Of course he's going to manipulate or in other words cheat the census data. It's a no brainer. Duh.

"of" the census
is what I meant.

Churchill's Calls To Action

Churchill's Calls To Action

“This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in (Washington), we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our (land), whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing-grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!"

"The mood of (America) is wisely and rightly averse from every form of shallow or premature exultation. This is no time for boasts or glowing prophecies, but there is this—a year ago our position looked forlorn, and well nigh desperate, to all eyes but our own. Today we may say aloud before an awe-struck world, 'We are still masters of our fate. We still are captain of our souls.”

"We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of sugar candy."

- Quotes by Winston Churchill


Of course, Obama had to send Winston’s bust back. He wanted zero reminder that freedom isn’t free and that most Americans want little to do with “Sugar Candy” Socialism.

Hal Donahue
writes, "History what does it matter now. It is about the lack of preparation for the coming census"

You continually outdo yourself Hal in your water carrying exploits. Did the master promise you PA when the carnage is complete?

Howard Beales Unite


"We're mad as Hell and we're not going to take it anymore!"

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/02/20/gainor_obama-4 /

Re:Census???
Why else would Obama(One Big Mistake America) want this as his owe if not to through another election??? Sure he does and for a Socialist to pay attention to the Const. is totally crazy-this clown will no more go by the law than the man in the moon!!!

Deaths under Dumbamba TO SURGE ...
As the Obama Administration looks to escalate the war in Afghanistan by doubling the number of American forces on the ground, Vice President Joe Biden concedes that Americans should expect a higher death toll this year than in years past.

“I hate to say it, but yes, I think there will be. There will be an uptick,” Biden insists. Yet the 2008 death toll was already 151 American soldiers, the most yet in the seven year long war, so any further increase from the Obama escalation is likely to be viewed as more than just “an uptick.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/25/biden-warns-of-higher-us -death-toll-in-afghanistan/

DUMBAMA'S WAR - DEATH TOLL RISES
President Barack Obama made clear his desire to launch attacks onto Pakistani soil early in the campaign, and in his first month since taking office it has become evident that is escalating the number and severity of the attacks using drone aircraft well beyond what the Bush Administration’s attacks in its final several months in office.

Two major strikes have been launched in the past week, in the South Waziristan and Kurram Agencies of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas. The attacks killed 30 and 31, respectively, and both appeared to target militants affiliated with Baitullah Mehsud.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/02/20/obama-escalates-drone-st rikes-inside-pakistan/

jerabaub
writes, "Obama would really have to try, I mean really try, to be even one tenth as bad as Bush"

At one time, you used to be a somewhat rational poster around these parts. I was on to you long ago but, I suspect many were not. I guess you gave up the pretense and embraced your inner BDS.

You made a decent subversive agent for a while. Are you flush enough with victory to throw off any pretense of objectivity?

At Gettysburg, Lee made the mistake of underestimating his opposition. He thought they were less spirited, less soldierly than his proven Army of Northern Virginia. An incompetent, Meade, was in charge and in fact he wanted to withdraw and avoid the conflict after day two when Chamberlain saved the day at Little Round Top and put the Rebel forces on the defensive for the first time ever. Had Longstreet prevailed over Lee, the outcome of the war would probably have been decided in the South's favor. Lee, a great believer in Napoleonic warfare and a great believer in the superiority of his troops thought one more push would crush them even though the ground was horrible and they were going uphill against Hancock, one of the North's best. The losses suffered on that fateful July 3 could not be recovered from. Lesson? Overconfidence can be deadly.

DUMBMA wages war - Left is silent ...
January 23, 2009 - 3 days after fake inauguration ...

A pair of missile strikes from American drones into Pakistan’s North and South Waziristan Agencies have killed at least 20 people, and injured an unknown number of others. This marks the first cross-border attack by US forces since President Obama took office on Tuesday.

Three missiles were fired at a house and another nearby building in Zera, North Waziristan killing 10 people and injuring many others. At least five of those killed in this incident were described by Pakistani officials as “foreign militants.”

Later, two other missiles were fired at a house in Wana, South Waziristan, also killing at least ten people. The identities of those killed was not readily apparent.

President Obama was a long time advocate of strikes into Pakistani territory, but the Pakistani government, which has publicly protested against such attacks, had expressed hope that the new administration might halt the attacks. The drone strikes have killed hundreds of people over the past several months, both militants and civilians. The United States rarely publicly admits to the attacks, part of what some in the media have dubbed a “don’t-ask-don’t-tell” understanding between them and Pakistan’s civilian government.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/23/at-least-20-killed-in-tw in-us-attacks-in-waziristan/

ACORN funded by the Porkulus
in order to ensure that reverend Wright's and Eric Holder's views on America are duly enforced.
What's happening with this country?
"While you were sleeeping, a coup d'etat succeeded in taking over the governance from citizenry."

Hal the "Dishonest":
> Primus writes: ""As usual, you posit an opinion as though it were fact, then "cite" articles you have supposedly read, yet do not provide any sources or links.

This has been your modus operandi since you began your self-appointed "public service" here at Townhall."

> Hal responds: "Yes and it will continue to be. The sources are out there if, as in the past I provide links you whine they are not valid. Find your own"
-----

This is a flat-out fabrication, Hal.

The ONLY links you have ever provided that I objected to were links directly to your own "opinion" pieces you've authored at HuffPost - as if they were "facts", not opinions.

You do what most liberals do, you throw out opinions as though they ARE facts based upon anecdotal evidence - then hide behind the "I'm not doing your work for you" excuse when someone calls your bluff.

This is nothing but disingenuous and dishonest - but, as a liberal - you cannot help yourself.

The really good news is that this new "regime" has been so incompetent in just one month, even some Obama voters are beginning to see the light.

Unfortunately, your giant ego would never let you admit error - even if you believe it.

You don't have the character or humility for it...

Census
Why not just appoint ACORN to do the census?

Constitution Only for A Moral People
This column about the Constitution started me thinking about its fragility. John Adams made it clear:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

And that understanding is nothing new. Ed Kaitz wrote an article on AmericanThinker.com - "How Democracies Become Tyrannies" based on Plato's explanation of the individual soul and its connection to the state.

"In the Republic, two young men, Glaucon and Adeimantus, accompany the much older Socrates on a journey of discovery...During the course of their adventure,...they are gradually exposed to deeper and more complex teachings regarding the relationship between virtue, self-sufficiency, and happiness. In short... justice and happiness in a community rests upon the moral condition of its citizens. This is what Socrates meant when he said: "The state is man writ large."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/how_democracies_beco me_tyranni.html

John Adams also said that "The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution."

There has in the last 40 years been another revolution in the hearts and minds of the American people. That revolution was a rejection of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And it was a rejection of His morality.

Dutch Sheets wrote: "America was offered a very clear choice between moving further toward protecting the unborn or further away; between a Supreme Court that would move toward honoring God, life and morality or away from it."

We chose to move away from it.

OBAMA LIED AND PEOPLE DIED ...
Antiwar.com cannot meet their ...

"payroll, so we'll have to start making cutbacks starting this weekend. Unless we get much closer to our fundraising goal by Monday, Antiwar.com will go down in the annals of the Internet as a casualty of both the recession and liberal complacency.

President Obama just ordered 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan: what more do you need to know about what to expect for at least the next four years? In a world at war, Antiwar.com is an essential resource – debunking the War Party's lies 24/7. Can you afford to lose it?

WHERE IS THE ANIT-WAR LEFT?

OBAMA BOUGHT AND PAID FOR YOUR SILENCE ...

HYPOCRITES ONE AND ALLLLLLLLLL ......

OBAMA LIED AND PEOPLE DIED ...
OBAMA LIED AND PEOPLE DIED ....
OBAMA LIED AND PEOPLE DIED ...

http://antiwar.com/

Democrats Lie.
Dems. lie, which is why the WH should never be allowed to oversee the Census.


Proof Positive On Democrat Liars & GSEs

Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs


So, again:

#1) Which Party was against further regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

#2) Which Party proposed greater regulation?

#3) Which Party warned of the possibility of future crisis?

#4) Which Party said that there wasn't a problem?

Ole, Entrenched Lying Ones, you will, of course, dismiss the video, but we know the truth.

DUM-BOMB-BA DEATH TOLL ...
DUM-BOMB-BA DEATH TOLL IN IRAQ ...

since he botched the OATH OF OFFICE on January 20, 2009 is:

Total: 18
COMBAT: 7

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

In the meantime Foreigner-In-Chief deploys 19,000 troops to Afghanistan and conducts raids into Pakistan.

ANTI-WAR LEFT IS SILENT ....

HYPOCRITES ONE AND ALLLLLLLLLL...

William
Yes you are right, we unfortunately have too many people calling good evil and evil good.

A BTW here; I know that individuals such as Hal Dnahue are at best annoying, but they actually serve a purpose by both helping us to see how others think and by forcing us to sharpen our arguments,so please don't be abusive, rather be patient and convincing.

Teenagers PROTEST Dum-Bomb-BA in AZ!
Teenagers PROTEST Dum-Bomb-BA in AZ!
Teenagers protest ObamaHere's what you didn't hear from the government owned main stream media when Obama arrived at the Arizona high school for his very expensive photo op.

These kids have debated the issues in school. It's so refreshing to read their comments in this article. They are thinking for themselves.

More than 500 protest Obama's arrival (in Arizona)
Presidential protesters made their voices heard in chants and signs Wednesday outside Dobson High School.

Excerpt:


""The general message of the protesters was that Obama's policies would lead the country toward socialism.
I'm out here to exercise my First Amendment rights while I still have them," said Tim Guiney, 52, a Phoenix sales manager. "Everything that man stands for is the antithesis of what this country was founded on. He's a Marxist, fascist."
Lee Bauer, 53, a social and fiscal conservative, said she doesn't believe in the $787 billion stimulus package signed by Obama Tuesday in Denver.

"Obama's stimulus package has only mobilized the opposition," she said.
Former Republican Congressman J.D. Hayworth of Arizona also was in attendance.
He called the bill a "trillion-dollar boondoggle.""

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/21/teenagers-protest-ob ama.aspx

FIRST A TRICKLE ... THEN A FLOOD ...

THE PATRIOTS ARE COMING TRA-LA ... TRA-LA!

OBAMA'S DEVELOPING LEGACY
Keeping track of obama's developing legacy:
1. The eternal campaigner. obama is a one trick pony. It is clear that he has only one skill: running a political campaign. We can all depend on obama hitting the campaign trail, jet-setting all over the place with his fleet of air force ones, to give us the political slogan and jargon of the day.
2. Dishonesty. One thing we can all depend on when we hear obama speak: is that he means the opposite of what he says. When he says a process will be open and transparent, we should all understand that he will do his best to make sure that we are mislead, kept in the dark, and told outright lies because, as schumer assured us, the American people don't care. In fact, the more he assures the American people of something, the more we can be sure he intends to do just the opposite.
3. Lack of fear of failure. obama does not fear the economic or political failure of his policies, because his real goal is the financial enslavement of American citizens through creation of a mountain of debt that we will never be able to overcome that will lead to a socialist/communist state.
4. obama's need to feel revered like a god. Even if he does not survive to be re-elected, the effect of his policies, eternal debt and financial burden, will live on for generations simply because we will never be able to pay off the debt he is creating.
5. obama talks out of both sides of his mouth so often, it's almost like he has two mouths. "Even as he promoted his record-breaking spending plans, he called for doing what's necessary to control "exploding" deficits as the economy begins to improve." For crying out loud, he pretends his right hand is mad at his left hand all the while his left hand keeps doling out money our kids and grandkids will have to pay back.

body of lies and deception
the census, capitalism, banking system, freedom of speech, what else will our devoted loving,we care about this economy and the people, talking out of the both sides of their face, obama and his adm. will take next or lie about next? no lobbyist in his adm., he has that. oh, i know, the constitution. he already thinks that it is full of negatives and not enough of federal govt involvement! he is attacking the constitution little by little in such a way, that, if you are listening and paying attention, soon you will be the biggest car wreck that will take your "life away". giving money to people who are in foreclosure is throwing good money at bad. if they could not pay their mortgage then, how are thye going to do it later? let them go into foreclosure & learn from lessons taught and start over. i applaud mr rick santelli over his disgust the way this adm. is handling the affairs of this nation in just 30days of coming to office. power play all over the place with all kinds of corruption leading the roundtable. we all need to speak up or we all will be lead to the slaughter like dumb cattle. besides, this is our God-given 1st,constitutional, amendment right!

disappointingly dishonest column
There is hardly anything surprising in the fact that the democrats would favor the kind of sampling that most statisticians consider more accurate. And the census is currently not an independent body, so it is hard to see how the issues that Barone raises has anything to do with trusting the census staff. They are the same staff whether they report to a Cabinet secretary or the white house.

The question is if an independent census bureau favored sampling, as they likely would, whether Barone would still be defending trusting them. Or his faith in the census bureau is dependent on their having gotten their marching orders from the Bush White House for the last 8 years.

Mario
SMACK!! Wake up man. You forgot the recent poll of selected historians ranking. The birds and the bees quit doing their thing while he ruled over us. All praise be Barak. Wake up man.

Lon- The Census Is Taken Every 10 Yrs.

Lon,

The United States Census is a decennial census mandated by the United States Constitution. The population is enumerated every 10 YEARS and the results are used to allocate Congressional seats, electoral votes, and government program funding. Some states or local jurisdictions also conduct local censuses.

The census is performed by the United States Census Bureau. The last national census was held in 2000, and the next census is scheduled for 2010.

So, Lon, if the last census was taken before GWB, how did Bush provide marching orders to the Census Bureau when Bill Clinton was POTUS?

whats wrong with this?
oh whats the problem? everybody wants to be CHICAGO.You know no crime top tier schools and great housing.lil rahm doin it whats the big deal? chicago has clean politics the whole country wants on board the bus! new business thrives all over the windy city!!come on the whole state is doin so well the rest of us 50 need to get in line for the koolaid.jonestown is nice this time of year.

USPatriot56

Add this to the trickle.

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/02/no-to-obamas-pork/

"At Page 190, I Just Shrugged"

At Page 190, I Just Shrugged

"As you were supposed to do, I read Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” in the late-sixties when I was young, dumb, and pretty much an all-in lefty college student. OK, it was an interesting story - sorta. But, it was so foreign and so into some indeterminate but clearly to my perception future time, that I really did consider it far-fetched. Despite the best efforts of my mostly marxist professors most of us were still more the “the torch has passed” sort who were still going to “pay any price” and “bear any burden,” and all that stuff. A World that had just lapsed into an intellectual, moral, and even physical stupor was incomprehensible.
So, in the spirit of the times, I decided to re-read with forty years older eyes. I’ve made it to page 190 and I think I’m done. We’re there. It has all come true. We have reached the place where the conversation between Dagny Taggert and Dr. Stadler is not only familiar to us but accepted by many of us."

Stadler: How can one deal in truth when one deals with the public?

Taggert: I don’t understand you.

Stadler: Questions of truth do not enter into social issues. No principles have ever had any effect on society.

Taggert: What then, directs men’s actions?

Stadler: The expediency of the moment.

"I made it a couple more pages but I think I’m done. The Orwellian language is our everyday vocabulary. The fuzzy circular thinking is what we teach in schools. Some of us continue to try to find truth, to make and do new things, simply to make things work, but we are shouting against the rising of the tide."

Who is John Galt?

It sure isn't Rahm Emmanuel.

Rapists And Racists.
Freedom of speech is a guarantee that every person has the opportunity to be heard. Silence gives a racist or rapist the opportunity to operate unmolested. But we must also have a well funded Justice Department that is always on the alert for violators of civil rights. It must be staffed by tens of thousands of our most liberal minded investigators. They should be given the freedom and time to dig deep and wide. Those depriving others of the right to: “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” must be dealt with quickly and harshly. Major civil right violators must be hung by the Justice Department in front of shopping malls. Enough Is Enough!!

Thanks Hawkeye58 ....
I visited ...

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/02/no-to-obamas-pork/

and I encourage ALL warriors for TRUTH to do the same ...

THE game plan is shaping up ...

HIT Dum-Bomb-O real hard and high with porky the pig ...

Then clean his clock with his citizenship problems ...

b-HUSSEIN-O IS NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ...

The PATRIOTS ARE COMING TRA-LA ... TRA-LA ...

Pervert-in-Chief ..
Obama ripped on 'sex agenda'

Scholar says president following Kinsey's plan of sexual anarchy

Judith Reisman, Ph.D. ...

A renowned expert on the life and work of sex scientist Alfred Kinsey, widely known as the "father of the sexual revolution," is raising alarms over President Obama's pursuit of sex "education" for kindergartners and his plans to install a pornography advocate in a top Justice Department position.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 89299


Abe Lincoln said it
The Obama Con has threatened our Constitution on more than one occasion. He told the San Francisco Chronicle that he had a litmus test for Supreme Court Judges and that means his Judge picks will have to convince him that they will judge cases based on who brings the case as opposed to what the Constitution says. He said people of color and people seeking to expand abortion had to be favored in cases. This is an outright attack on our liberties. Now he wishes to turn the Census over to ACORN for subversion. Abe Lincoln had the answer to the Obama's in our Government when he said,"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Throw the bum out.

Reconfiguration of Census Bureau needed!
There have been problems with the census a lot of times. If you live in an urban area and have a residential mailbox, you probably aren't aware of the problems, but they're major. Alaska, with an population of only 600,000, was undercounted by almost 100,000 in 2000 because the Census Bureau won't count reports not tied to a residential address, which many people in Alaska can't or won't use (I'm among the won'ts; many people in villages are among the can'ts). The State of Alaska paid for another census and found the missing people. The Bush Administration accepted the new census. At the time, the officials we were working with admitted that it was in the Clinton Administration's best interest to "miss" people in a heavily Republican state and that might account for changes in the rules that had led to the undercount.

I don't think the White House, particularly Rahm "Bribe Me" Emmanual, could do a better job than the Commerce Department, but I do believe the Census Bureau needs to be a non-partisan office. How that should be done, I'm not entirely sure.

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????????? ????? has been in office for one month and we have, thus far:

#1) The order to close Gitmo with a big zero for a plan for determining what to do with the detainees.

#2) A Porkulous Bill that is little on stimulus and big on pork. Also, the funded programs, like the extension of unemployment insurance only last for 3 years. After that, it becomes No Unemployed Worker Left Behind, if, and only if, the States raise taxes.

#3) Billions more for GM, who loses $106,000/minute and Chrysler.

#4) Talk about a second stimulus bill.

#5) $275B to bailout those, who haven't been responsible in paying their mortgages.

#6) The biggest expenditure of Government in American History.

#7) TARP II

#8) Trillion dollar deficits "for as long as the eye can see."

#9) More troops are being sent into Afghanistan without a plan. Even Newsweek had a story on this calling it "Obama's Vietnam"

#10) A Downpayment on Universal Healthcare.

#11) The threat of card-check.

#12) Overturning of the Mexico City Policy, so that we can pay for abortions overseas when we can't pay for a lot of our own needs. The threat of federally paid for abortions and contraception in FOCA.

#13) An attempt to corrupt the Census.

Blah. Blah. Blah.

Russian Doesn't Post

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Sorry. It was President Obama in Russian, but the characters are not recognized by TH.

hail to the chief
Did we expect anything different from a left wing radical Senator, and liberal Democratic party? Just the beginning folks. They will try any and everything to form a one party government.

Ooooooh. Big surprise!
President Obama is maybe gonna cook the numbers in the census. Could you expect anything else?

Bad Sign
The fact Barbara Lee could walk up to the President and ask and recieve something like yanking the census from the Commerce Department is a bad sign.

Probably the more ominous sign is the White House not reversing itself and placing it back.

If you have no design on the census and it becomes a political thorn why not remove it?

If on the other hand you have a political design then you keep it and take the poltical hit to reap the gain of your design on it.

Obama is truly a rookie if he thinks people aren't going to howl about the WH keeping it. This guy has too much confidence he can do whatever he wants because of his poll numbers.

Story of an American legal Immigrant

"Being an immigrant from the former USSR - the land of equally redistributed misery - I used to cringe when Americans complained to me about the perceived misery and lack of opportunity under capitalism.

I laughed at American homegrown agitators who were carping on behalf of "communities" about the lack of "economic justice."

They sounded like ignorant, spoiled brats who hated their rich parents for giving them the car of the wrong color.

The whiners either didn't realize how good they had it or they were being deliberately misleading. Either way their message was a fraud.

I had witnessed the stagnation and the collapse of a centralized command economy that, in the absence of the markets, was fueled by the carrot and stick of coercion and stale motivational slogans.

I had lived through the hyperinflation, when I had to pay a million rubles to a guy who fixed the rusty refrigerator in my kitchen.

I had seen the old country plunge into the chaos of mass unemployment and crime, while it was being robbed to the bone by crooked unelected officials who profited from the corrupt scheme to merge socialism and capitalism - a half-baked brainchild of Clinton's economists who are now advising Obama.

In other words, I had been at the end of this road and I didn't want to take it again.

Like most other immigrants in America, I had discovered a treasure trove of opportunities and was able to provide a comfortable living for my family.

I wasn't rich - but every time I would get into my GM car, turn on my HP computer, or watch a DVD from Netflix, I would give thanks for the perks that only an affluent capitalist society could provide.

I didn't want any change - except, perhaps, towards fewer government regulations."

Former USSR citizen

Retired Geek: Great Post ...
Can you enlighten us about the wonders of socialized medicine?
Thanks

Socialism Doesn't Work

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam "appeal to ignorance" or argument by lack of imagination, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false or is only false because it has not been proven true.

NAZI means: "National Socialist Workers Party."

Socialism demands, heavy regulation of private property, bureaucracies everywhere, government educated children, control of travel, punishment of politically incorrect speech, a draft into national service, gun confiscation, persecution of religion, and environmentalism.

Canadian Socialized Health Care:
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The Ugly Truth About
Canadian Health Care
by David Gratzer, Summer 2007 City Journal

"On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission.

Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine.

Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care.

I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs.

Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks."


Lonny: Hey read the Geeks posts ...
about Russia and Sicialized medicine.

Plain and simple, the census bureau
should be a separate entity! The worst thing that could possibly happen is to let that slime ball Rahm Emanuel get his hands on it. It will take years to undo the damage that corrupt jerk will do to the country. The epitome of corrupt Chicago politics and slick enough to get away with it.

Congressional Districts
Let us talk about what the census enables-----if everybody will forgive me for getting back on topic for a little while.

The reason some want to manipulate the census is because the number of congressmen a state has is based on the number of warm bodies within that state.

Instead, the number of congressional seats should be based on the number of U. S. Citizens
within each state. Do things this way and it will not matter what the ethnic makeup of a state is.

Under this proposal, there is little doubt that California would lose quite a few seats. And considering how the Democrats control Sacramento, I doubt there would be more than one or two Republicans from CA left. However, the ability of California to claim large chunks of other folks money because they have large numbers of unassimilated/illegal aliens would decline to survivable levels.

Any comments?

OBAMA = One Big A** Mistake America
ACORN = A**hole Commie Outcasts Registering Naggers to vote for dem commie b*******.

Actually oncealwaysamarine
said it all in the first post Impeach obama. And I add waterboard obama, recall obama, oust obama, do what ever it takes to get rid of the bamster he is poison, hates the constitution and this country and as anti - American as ever has come down the pike.

Lonny et al No Fault of their Own?

Life is difficult on this Planet and one of the primary reasons is that resources are limited.

When one is free to determine what lifestyle one wants to live, there is the responsibility of living within that lifestyle.

Barack Obama and his followers seem trapped in limbo neither children nor adults, unable to face the reality that 'Equal Outcomes' of different decisions, choices and behavior is childish thinking.

My wife and I decided many years ago that we would NOT buy anything on credit. I had to push the car I owned at that time to start the car.

We never ate out at a restaurant, nor bought any clothes just to look like everyone else.

We saved our money and when we had enough to buy a car, we bought the very best used car we could find, after researching the maintenance costs and expected longevity.

Our housing and furniture were the smallest and cheapest we could possibly get by on.

We were able to purchase our current home, furnished it and paid cash for for everything.

I started a business with the cash we had on hand and did NOT borrow any money for it to operate on. I saved a portion of the profits and invested it rather than increase our lifestyle.

I was able to retire early and we will be comfortable the rest of our lives.

January of 2008 - I saw the direction our country was going in and moved all of our investments into accounts that would not be confiscated.

Everyone else in America could have lived the same way we have.

People who have driveways full of expensive cars that are financed, houses that are above their means and credit cards maxed to their limits - then lose their jobs - through 'No Fault of their Own' - do NOT have my sympathy.

I never had anyone pay for my Health Insurance, I have always paid my own.

I never worked less than sixty or seventy hours per week for the 30 years before my retirement.

Other Peoples lack of planning is NOT my emergency.

Democrats
The left-wing Democrats have been destroying the morals of this country for decades. They get a wild hare about something they want to change and they do NOT give up until it is a done deal.

They have made rules and got them passed mostly by liberal courts that have harmed every citizen,especially our youth.

Every change that has been made that has changed our country from a God-fearing country to an almost Godless one can be blamed on the leftist Democrats.

Amen
Retired Geek
Date: Feb 21, 2009 - 10:09 PM EST

Equality is NOT Equal Outcomes

Everyone has the 'Right' to self determination, not Equal Outcomes.

Every family has individuals with different mental, social values and ethics.

Everyone in a family may start from the same point be it poor or rich. Individual pursuits and decisions will vary and the outcomes are dissimilar.

Those who work hard and make good decisions in life will prosper to the extent of their abilities and fail at the same rate with bad decisions and work ethics.

Those who live modestly within their means will do well, while those who live on credit cards and buy things beyond their means will suffer.

Just because one can buy things on credit like fancy food in a restaurant that is enjoyable and gone tomorrow or a car or house that is beyond their means to pay for, doesn't make them a victim of society but rather a victim of their own folly.

Expecting others to 'foot the bill' for their bad decisions is childish at best and 'legal stealing' at worst.

Within my family we have varied prosperity and incomes and that is the 'normal' family of man.

Someone else's lack of planning is NOT my emergency.

Hey Geek. The smartest guy I knew was a
carpenter who built himself a pretty expensive home in a great area and then had the smarts to SELL when the real estste market peaked a few years ago.

You're pretty smart too.

Wish you the best in your retirement.

HEY LONNIE--PATRIOT 56
Wasa matter boys;Geek getting to you!
Wasn't a darn thing wrong with what he said! You guys could stand a few lessons.He made some right choices in life;suffer.

Story of My Neighbor

I have a black neighbor who is worth more than $25 million dollars.

He and his wife live in a 1600 square foot home, modestly furnished, he bought over 25 years ago.

He drives a 3 year old car much like mine.

I would advise against talking to him about the Barack Obama bailout plan.

He thinks I am to Liberal.

He is a large muscular man, who started from a poor family and worked hard his entire life.

Confronting him about 'Helping' those who will not work or paying for their excesses is not a good idea.

George Patton
We need a few more like him! Anybody think we could get some DNA?

Good Night all Thinking People

Those who advocate living off the backs of others - have restless dreams of ACORN and pork.

Crazy about Obama
"The world is new" ever since Obama was actually, really elected.

I trust him; I trust Rahm. But this looks bad. They will not be able to get away with how bad this looks.

Lon

"do you think people in European Union
live poorly? How many of you actually travel?"

I have lived in the UK and France. I have traveled all over the World. My sister lives in France, pays taxes at a rate of 70%, but comes home for medical treatment. Others in Franch and other socialized medicine EU countries go to private clinics if they have the means.

Socialized medicine is horrible all over the world. Recently, a woman had to have her baby on the hospital floor in the UK because all of the beds had been rationed out.

You can talk about S.S. and Medicare, but surely you realize that they are unfunded and the belief is that we have outstanding obligations anywhere from $56T to $75T.

It is my belief that socialized medicine in the US will lead us into the same atrophied economic situation as exists in the EU countries.

"Do they live poorly?" Well, a huge amount of the populations of the EU do. There are "The Rich" and everyone else. Take a look at the welfare class and working poor in the UK. The huge costs of social programs in the UK play a enormous role in the reason that the country is facing possible bankruptcy.

The EU is no longer functioning as a "union" with regard to finances and many countries use other currencies than the Euro. There is a lot of distrust amongst the countries. Many of the Western European countries hold 76% of the debt of the former Eastern bloc countries, which are neat collapse. Unemployment is huge (25% in Spain). The economy of Germany contracted by over 8% in the 4Q. More and more riots are breaking out because of unemployment and the financial crisis.

Of course, 1/3rd of the people in the EU blame "The Jews" for their dismal economic state, which is NO surprise.

Good Nite, Geek!

Talk to you later.

Oilpatch mercenary
Yes, it would be nice to only count native and naturalized Americans in the census. But as a strict constructionist, the Constitution says it is a total count of all people. It doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal persons. We conservatives cannot have it both ways, saying we will only follow the Constitution when it is in our best interest. Otherwise, the right will be seen as hypocrites, which is a common trait among the libs and socialists.

Denise.
Let's see, the "horrors" of socialized medicine. B.T.W. almost every European country has a different system of health care that is not necessarily that socialized. Life expectanies in a lot of European countries is higher than in the US, including in the UK (~78.1 vs ~ 78.7 years according to CIA 2008 World Factbook). Poverty: ever been to the Bronx or the south? UK at bankruptcy: not aware of. Countries in eurozone (11?) have to have ratio of national debt/GDP < 60%. US is going up, up, up to ~ 80% or more. 25% unemployment in Spain: no, ~ 11% according to the "Marxist" wikipedia (everyone is a Marxist now, even Reagan was one). 1/3 or Europe anti-semitic? Cannot be that bad.

Rudolf:
If you are so enamored of European sytke socialized everything, why don't you move back home?