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Friday, May 01, 2009
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Necessary 'Shortcuts'
by Jonah Goldberg
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In his press conference Wednesday night, President Obama offered a nice little sermonette on "shortcuts."

Asked about his decision to release the "torture memos" and ban waterboarding, Obama said: "I was struck by an article that I was reading the other day talking about the fact that the British during World War II, when London was being bombed to smithereens, had 200 or so detainees. And Churchill said, 'We don't torture,' when ... all of the British people were being subjected to unimaginable risk and threat. ... Churchill understood, you start taking shortcuts, over time, that corrodes what's best in a people. It corrodes the character of a country."

It's a nice, honorable statement. But there's not much evidence it's true.

It's unconfirmed, but the article Obama referred to is probably a combination of a 2006 op-ed by Ben Macintyre in the Times of London and a recent blog post about it by the Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan. Macintyre focused on British Col. Robin "Tin Eye" Stephens, the wartime commander of Camp 020 whose motto was "never strike a man," a code he didn't always succeed in enforcing. But even many of Stephens' preferred techniques -- sleep deprivation, psychological cruelty, etc. -- are routinely denounced as "torture" by Bush administration critics like Sullivan.

Macintyre doesn't mention Churchill. That's all Sullivan, who writes: "Churchill nonetheless knew that embracing torture was the equivalent of surrender to the barbarism he was fighting."

Typically, Sullivan's emotions are getting ahead of his facts. Churchill's preference for humane treatment of German POWs under the Geneva Conventions had more to do with ensuring reciprocity from enemy armies. Al-Qaida isn't a signatory and isn't interested in such reciprocity.

One reason Churchill might have eschewed putting the screws to detainees in 1942 is that he already knew what they could tell him about the bombings. The Allies knew where the airbases were and had cracked German codes years before.

Regardless, Churchill and Great Britain didn't quite take the firm stand against "torture" that Obama and Sullivan suggest. During the war, the Brits ran an interrogation center, "the Cage," in one of London's fanciest neighborhoods, where they worked over 3,573 captured Germans, sometimes brutally. The Free French movement, headquartered in London, savagely beat detainees under the nose of British authorities. From 1945 to 1947, Col. Stephens himself ran the Bad Nenndorf prison near Hanover, Germany, where Soviet and Nazi prisoners were treated far more brutally than those at Guantanamo Bay. Stephens was court-martialed, and cleared, for some of the alleged atrocities.

Of course, none of this remotely made Britain "equivalent" to Nazi Germany. Continued...

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Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.
 
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Hey cris!
If waterboarding isn't torture, why has the United States Government prosecuted so many people for it? Why did Sheriff Parker in San Jacinto Co. Texas and his deputies go to prison for doing it? Why were US Army soldiers court-martialed for it in Vietnam and the Spanish-American War? Why did the US and its allies (Britain and Australia) try and HANG Capt. Mastuo Komei of the Imperial Japanese Army for doing it?

Next you're going to tell me that arson isn't against the law.

You are confused Jack David
Your use of highfalutin analogies misses much of the issue. First and foremost your argument infers that water boarding is torture. This incorrect assumption makes all of your and Obama's gibberish nonsense. If water boarding had never existed and someone in the Obama administrated came up with it: a 20 to 40 second(max)a procedure which results in absolutely no permanent physical to the murderous prisoner- Obama and his leftist radicals would applaud it as representing a wonderful Liberal advancement in intelligence gathering.
Second, People like you and Obama think that when we are kind to evil minded individuals, they will reciprocate in the same way. This expectation is incorrect. These people are not impressed with kindness and only respect strength, anything else is seen as weakness to be taken advantage of. Yes torture, which the United States does not do, is abhorrent. However,thinking that a person, representing no particular Country who is destined to murder as many stranger civilians as he can, under the guise that it will allow him to have sexual relations with 72 virgins, qualifies for the protections prescribed in the Geneva Convention treaty, are delusional idiots.
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