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Friday, October 10, 2008
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
Five Reasons Independents Should Choose McCain Over Obama
by John Hawkins
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Conservatives, liberals, and independents tend to have a different view of the world and all too often, pundits on the right and left end up preaching to the choir instead of putting out columns that make good sense to people who don't necessarily share our political views.

So today, I'd like to do something a little differently: I'd like to explain to the independents out there why they should want John McCain in the White House next year instead of Barack Obama.

Since most independents would probably acknowledge that McCain is more experienced than Obama, is more capable of handling a crisis, and has proven his bona fides as a bipartisan reformer, there's no need to go back over that well-traveled ground. However, what I would like to point out is that,

As Forrest Gump would say, (Obama is) "like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get:" Paradoxically, one of the things that has helped Obama immeasurably is that his legislative record is so sparse that he has been able to simultaneously portray himself as different things to different groups of people.

All at once, he has been a doctrinaire liberal and a moderate, a radical anti-war candidate and a man who takes a pragmatic approach to foreign affairs, and a bipartisan senator who loves to reach across the aisle as well as a bitter partisan infighter who loves to fight Republicans. So, however you slice it, large numbers of Americans are destined to feel like they were misled when Barack Obama gets into office.

Who are those Americans going to be? I'd suggest that they're the people buying into the image of Barack Obama as some sort of reasonable, bipartisan moderate. If you judge Obama by his record (what there is of it), as opposed to campaign rhetoric, you'll find a candidate who is every bit as far to the left as Rush Limbaugh is to the right.

As Sarah Palin has said, this is a man who has been "palling around with terrorists" like Bill Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn. He spent 20 years going to a radical, anti-white, anti-American church. He had the most liberal voting record in the entire Senate in 2007. In other words, this is a man who is comfortable on the farthest fringes of the American Left. Combine his radical views, his stunning lack of experience, and the rapidly shifting promises he has made during the campaign and it's extremely hard to predict exactly what he'd do and how far he would go if he gets into office. Given what we know about Obama, it would be far less risky to hand a teenage boy a bottle of whiskey and your car keys than it would be to hand Barack Obama the keys to the White House.

Giving the far Left your power of attorney, your pin number, and the keys to your house: Because our Founding Fathers designed a system of checks and balances to keep different branches of government from getting out of control, we don't typically have radical shifts in D.C. Usually different parties control the different branches of government or alternately, bad legislation can be stopped in the Senate, where the minority party has a lot of power.

Unfortunately, because the Republican Party in general and George Bush in particular have done such a lousy job over the last four years, the Democrats are going to have huge majorities in the House and Senate after the 2008 election and so if Obama gets in as well, the Democrats will essentially have carte blanche to do almost anything they want for at least two years.

Put another way, you may not like John McCain or the Republicans in Congress very much, but are you really willing to give Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama a blank check for the next two years? That's the situation we'll have if Barack Obama gets into office and it's why independent Americans who fear having the country radically shifted to the left would be wise to vote for John McCain.

”It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it”: Americans are sick and tired of spending our blood and treasure in Iraq -- and that's perfectly understandable. However, given all the money we've spent, the sacrifices our troops have made, the enormous importance of the conflict in the war on terror, and the staggering potential consequences if we lose (genocide, regional war), doesn't it make sense to make sure that we win?

Granted, because of the surge, which McCain supported and Obama opposed, the situation in Iraq has improved immeasurably. In fact, it has gotten so much better that it's not completely out of the question that Barack Obama could guide us to victory there. However, as Sarah Palin said of him,

"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign."

Four years from now, it's unlikely that the United States is going to be taking significant numbers of casualties in Iraq or spending more than a fraction of what we do there today -- and that's no matter who the President may be. Since that's the case, shouldn't we at least be sure that we emerge victorious?

Come hell or high water, John McCain will do what it takes to win. He has essentially staked his entire political reputation on it. But, Barack Obama? The word "victory" never crosses his lips and he's setting a timeline that has the potential to hand over a war our troops have almost won to our enemies. If the American people allow politicians in Washington to steal a victory from our troops at this point, then future generations of Americans can and should damn us as utter fools.

Throwing good money after bad: The most disturbing thing about the 700 billion dollar bailout is not the fact that it rewards bad behavior, that it apparently didn't fix the problem, and that it dramatically increased the size of our national debt -- although those are all reasons the bailout should be condemned.

No, the biggest problem with the bailout is actually that Democrats in Congress, Barack Obama included, are refusing to acknowledge the root cause of the bailout, even though it's so obvious that they're doing skits about it on Saturday Night Live.

If Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress to demand that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac give loans to bad risks in the name of "affordable housing," then we're going to be right back in the same place, bailing these banks out again in a few more years. In other words, if you want the exact same people in Congress who created the current bailout mess to create another one we're going to have to pay for somehow in five years, vote Barack Obama into office and that may be exactly what we get.

We don't have a debt because Washington doesn't tax enough; we have a debt because Washington spends too much: Many people have noted that the budget was balanced under Bill Clinton, but rocketed upwards under Reagan and George W. Bush. If you only have a superficial understanding of politics, that doesn't seem to make sense. After all, isn't it the Democrats who always want to hand out goodies while the Republicans always talk about fiscal responsibility?

Here's the little secret that explains that: primarily it is Congress, not the President, that ends up driving the size of the budget. So, folks, if we have more bailouts coming up in 2009 (and we do), the current group of Democratic big spenders in Congress adds to their margins (and they will), and Barack Obama, who is planning nearly a trillion dollars in new spending gets in, the deficit will take off like a space shuttle.

On the other hand, John McCain isn't a big spender. To the contrary, his reputation as a fiscal conservative has been one of the primary things that has kept conservatives on board who have disagreed with him on a host of other issues. Furthermore, John McCain wants to put an end to earmarks, has proposed a spending freeze, and has even set a goal of balancing the budget by 2012.

Now, honest question: since we're putting our children's financial future on the line -- who do you think will do a better job of controlling spending under those circumstances? Here’s a hint: it isn’t the guy who wants to spend enough to bankrupt 57 states.

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What a joke!

"On the other hand, John McCain isn't a big spender."


YOU KIDDING ME???????

Whose pawprints are ALL OVER this abortion of a bailout, and his latest proposal to spend $300 BILLION to reward flakes who don't pay their mortgages, with taxpayer dollars from those who DO?

That right THERE is enough reason to stay with voting third party.


Barr 2008!

Great comedic piece
...and nice touch quoting the scholarly Sarah Palin. Keep going negative repubs - it is going to bite you back - and very hard.

Would love to know what Romney really thinks of his party now - sad.

Five Reasons to Stick With Your
Third Party Candidate:

1. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, etc.

2. NRA rating of only "C".

3. ACU rating of only 65%, the third most-liberal sitting GOP Senator.

4. The "Bailout"

5. All the Democrat buddies he's said he wants to appoint to Cabinet posts. If we're going to have a Democrat administration, we may as well have the Real Thing.


and some more:

6. Cap and Trade

7. AMNESTY

8. Fully signed on to the "climate change" Bravo Sierra

9. When he loses, maybe the GOP will finally come to its senses and rediscover the benefits of conervatism

10. There's no real substantive difference between Obambi and McCain; they differ primarily on matters of degree -- and not even THERE by all that much.

See your five, Hawkins, and raised you five.

BrianR
See you are coming around to the Ron Paul way of thinking.

Barr 2008, indeed!

LOL, heresyarch

I've never been one of those folks who had a problem with Paul. As a matter of fact, I usually wrote that I admired the ardor of his supporters.

Also, I've been writing here and on my blog for well over a year that I'd never support either Giuliani or McCain.

I'm a paleo-con, my friend, a strong believer in traditional conservative principles.

Who is less evil?
I'm totally agree with BrianR.

I understand the frustration of the third party. I'm too very frustrated with McCain. I'm an independent. I wanted to vote for the third party but that's means I will give the victory to Obama and I hate to think about that. The thought of Obama in the white house is giving me the chill.

I'm afraid that for this presidential election, we have to pick the less evil from the two.

United we stand, devided we fall.

McCain/Palin 2008

Get Ready.... It's Coming......
New Polls. From Real Clear Politics.



Gallup Tracking (10/06 - 10/08) Obama: 52%, McCain: 41% - Obama +11

Rasmussen Tracking (10/06 - 10/08) Obama: 50%, McCain: 45% - Obama +5

Hotline/FD Tracking (10/06 - 10/08) Obama: 47%, McCain: 41% - Obama +6

Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking (10/06 - 10/08) Obama: 48%, McCain: 44% - Obama +4

GW/Battleground Tracking (10/05 - 10/08) Obama: 48%, McCain: 45% - Obama +3

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl (10/04 - 10/05) Obama: 49%, McCain: 43% - Obama +6

CBS News (10/03 - 10/05) Obama: 48%, McCain: 45% - Obama +3

CNN (10/03 - 10/05) Obama: 53%, McCain: 45% - Obama +8

Ipsos/McClatchy (10/02 - 10/06) Obama: 47%, McCain: 40 - Obama +7

Democracy Corps (D) (10/01 - 10/05) Obama: 49%, McCain - 46 Obama +3

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This is the second day in a row that the Gallup poll shows Obama up by 11 points.

Reason
Senator McCain Feingold is not quite as bad as Saint Obambi, and he did one thing right. He picked Palin, and this independent is voting:

Anyone/Palin in 2008
Palin/Anyone in 2012
Obambi bin Biden after Hell freezes over

McCaan=Rockefeller republican
Bob Barr is the only principled honest conservative on your ballot

McCain screwed himself when he rejected Mitt Romney, a financial genius, simply because he was Mormon. McCain made his bed; let him lie in it.

McCain is a RINO who will shift the GOP to the left for years to come if he gets away with this 10 billion dollar give away to wall street and is elected. He will take your vote as a mandate for liberalism.

The era of Rockefeller republican big government will be back with a vengeance: Thank McCain for that.

Hawkins, you are delusional.


Hey Will..
Take your polls and stuff em... give yourself a thrill in the process..

poorgrandchildren.com
Palin???? Wow. You really are an idiot.

What you see is what you get
If you don't mind the behavior of Obama's allies- Ayers, Raines, Rezko, Michelle Obama, the socialist New Party, Wright, Pfleger et al- you will no doubt be happy with all those people and others like them filling the federal government in an Obama administration. "The past is prologue" and who else would he select except his fellow travelers.
Ayers for Secretary of Education?
Raines for Secretary of Treasury?
Hillary paid off with an appointment to the Supreme Court, won't that be fun for 20 years to come???

Why can't I make up me mind?
Wonderful. I can't choose between the black demagogue or the angry, serial fornicating, PTSD victim. Wow. Hard choice. Should I pull the lever for the Chicago machine politician, or the carpetbagger who transplanted himself to Arizona? The guy who made his money off of ACORN or the guy who married a beer heiress and made his money off alcoholics?
I wish we could just drop back ten yards and punt!

What about McCain's judgement?
What about the U.S. Council for World Freedom on whose board John McCain sat for years. What about McCain's fellow board members in the '80s?

What about fellow board member, Anthony Bouscaren-a veteran of the Pioneer Fund, a eugenics group researching white superiority? Or fellow board member, Jay Parker, a registered foreign agent for the apartheid government of South Africa in the late '70s?

And if board co-membership is so toxic, what about McCain's list of endorsements today, including Leonore Annenberg, widow of philanthropist Walter Annenberg, who created the project on which both Ayers and Obama served?

On August 30, 1993, McCain attended a fund-raiser for the Oregon Citizens' Alliance. He can't claim he wasn't warned going in because 30 protestors picketed him for endorsing the anti-gay group.

Shouldn't McCain be held accountable, too?

More Reasons for Independents
1) Rezko: He's talking. YOu don't get out of a big sentence by naming small fish. Do we really want to run the risk of finding out after the fact just how deep and how unethical that Obama relationship goes?

2) Math: #1 liberal plus #3 liberal cannot equal moderation.

3) Free Speech: What the Obama campaign is doing to try to stop critical voices should scare the daylights out of anybody who believes in free speech. If rushing to court, rushing radio stations, rushing to call opponents racists is what they do now, what happens when these same people have the heavy hammer of government in their hands.

4) Palin: C'mon, admit it. If you're a fat cat bureaucrat or pocket-lining politician, who would you rather see heading your way, Palin or Joe Biden? (Extra Bonus: SNL might actually remain funny for the first time in years.)

5) Because Louis Farrakhan -- another guy from the neighborhood, and one toasted by Obama's church -- thinks the guy's the messiah.

6) Because anyone who can sit in a church for 20 years and not "get" the world view of his beloved pastor is either a liar or an imbecile.

7) Because if this were the real world there'd be no question who deserves the big promotion.

8) Because those singing kids and the militant marching youth for Obama are flat out creepy.

WILL
There is one big problem with your analysis. You assume that the terrible things the dems and Obama will do to the country will have enough impact on people that he will lose in 4 years. Don't be so sure. The housing mess accelerated dramatically under Clinton, yet we didn't see the impact until 12-15 years later. Lets face it, the American people can be snowed by a glib tongue for four years and reelect him. I'm sorry, but anyone who is willing to take that risk may be standing for conservative "principle", but their love of country has to be questioned. The risk that the dems will control congress and the White House for at least the next 6-8 years is extremely high if Obama wins, and the damage they can do to this country is extreme. We are still paying a very heavy price for the Great Society and War on Poverty the last time the dems had that much control. How much more generational burden do you think the country can take? McCain may not be perfect, but you know that he wil control spending as much as will be possible, and he will reign in the worst excesses of the dems.

As for immigration, at least McCain has changed his position to close the borders first. Obama and the dems will want to open the flood gates like we have never seen, because they see the opportunity for all those "Acorn" voters.

Brian R - Part 1
1. Yes, but how much worse would that legislation have been if it was all democrat? That's what you will get with an Obama administration.

2. Obama - NRA rating of "F".

3. Obama - MOST liberal Senator of all - FAR, FAR more liberal than McCain

4. I agree the bailout has been bad, but Obama would have sent billions to ACORN, who caused the mess in the first place.

5. If we do have the REAL THING, it will be orders of magnitude worse.

6. Obama will allow much worse, since he will do nothing to restrain the most extreme climate views. The reality of the McCain position is that it is political. He will create a commission to study the problem and they will come back and say: no proof for man causing it.

7. Obama is even worse on Amnesty. At least McCain will make some effort to close the border first, Obama and the dems will open the flood gates. By the time his first term is over, we'll have at least twice as many illegals here.

8. This is really a repeat of 6.

9. They already are because of losses in Congress. The reality is if you want to change the party, the White House is not where you begin. The moderate Republicans are already being replaced with dems. When the electoral pendulum finally swings the other way, they will be replaced in turn by conservative Republicans, because that is who will win primaries and liberal Republicans almost always lose to liberal Democrats, anways. Party transformation is already happening, lets try to keep the damage to America limited in the meantime.

10. This is just a stupid and naive statement. Anyone who really believes there is little difference between the candidates is lying to themselves and others.

Gallup Poll
The Gallop poll is "registered voters". These polls have ALWAYS been HORRIBLE predictors of elections, because a fraction of registered voters actually vote, and you never know in advance exactly which fraction will vote.

Notice that all the other polls, which are "likely voter" polls are at or near the margin of error. Factor in the historic fact that even the likely voter polls almost always favor the democrat more than the actual vote does, and McCain is not anywhere near as far out of this race as people think. Lets also face the sad fact that some people who say they will vote Obama, in the end won't: Bradley effect, anyone?

BrianR - Part 2
You may have decided that your principles are more important than the very real damage an Obama presidency coupled with huge democrat majorities in Congress will do to this country, but don't fool yourself into thinking that makes you the enlightened or better person. McCain isn't perfect, but neither was Ronald Reagan. He's the closest we have had in a long time, but he wasn't without flaws either. McCain is miles better than Obama, and there are huge real differences. An analogy would be to recommend that your sister marry an obviously abusive guy and "take her lumps" so she can learn that she should marry the guy you know is better for her. Problem is, you don't know how many years she is going to be abused or if she will even be the same person by the time she comes to her senses.

BrianR - Part 3

Go ahead, waste your vote in a childish, naive protest that you didn't get the candidate you wanted. Go cry that the world doesn't give you easy choices; take your ball and go home. The reality is that if we show that America is willing to elect the most liberal person available as President, you really think that is going to teach the Republican party that liberalism is a losing strategy? You can fool yourself that your stance is "principled", but it's really just a childish tantrum because reality hasn't met your expectations. Most of the people that go around talking about their intentions instead of the reality of their results are called liberals. The reality of the terrible results of your protest vote, if it leads to an Obama presidency, is a terrible price for this country. And I am sure that as things fall apart, you will be saying, "But I was just trying help." Spoken like a true liberal, unwilling to face the consequences from your actions. You try to rationalize it with a totally bogus "they're both the same" argument, but that's not reality. The truth is, you don't like the reality of the choice before you, so you make up your own reality to avoid it.

Crunch time
I certainly hope that those still sitting on the fence will give this article close attention. As a fiscal and social conservative, the idea of demonRATs controlling the WH, the Senate AND the House- not to mention the damage they will do to the Supreme Court- makes me ill enough to cause physical pain.
Watching them take FDR tactics and drive us into a years-long depression; watching them do to Iraq what they did in SE Asia and more piles of skulls; watching them continue the destruction of our kids through the public schools and the ruination of minority families; watching them ram through legislation that allows the murder of even MORE babies and at later ages and gay activist groups suing traditional churches into bankruptcy for not "marrying" them; watching them make sure that conservative voices are silenced on Fox, talk radio and the Internet; radical leftist orgs making sure that criminals and pedophiles are treated gently and that they have a free hand in stealing elections.....
Think carefully before you vote for Obama or any OTHER demonRAT next month.

Crunch time.

One clear, simple and over-riding reason to vote McCain/Palin... love of country.

Hawkins best point... why would you want to vote for the very same people who created this financial disaster in the first place???

Smallguy_bigheart; give it up, friend. Trying to reason with the 3rd party types is like trying to reason with liberals... you simply will not get past the emotional component.

So many of the talking heads out there are trying to deplore "going negative"... when much of it is only filling in the facts that our hopelessly biased and corrupt media will absolutely NOT publish.

Besides, if we are to loose... let it be with all the cards on the table.

But the polls are tightening. And as America is increasingly finding out about that far-left radical called Obama and what he will cost us all... many more are re-considering and changing their minds.

This is not just the time to take the gloves off.. but to go for the knockout.

The stakes could not be higher... for our country, our security, our courts, our pocket-books, our families... and for our children's future.

Pass the word... then pass the ammo.



Five Reasons Independents Should Boycott
Five reasons Independents (and Conservatives) should boycott this election.
1. The Republican party represents the interests of the privileged elites and the goals of socialism.
2. The Democrat party represents the interests of the privileged elites and the goals of international totalitarian marxism.
3. Neither Presidential candidate gives a damn about you or your little problems.
4. Our government is illegitimate and this election is a sham. Don't lend your good name to a cynical ripoff.
5. Your vote has already been stolen by Obama and his ACORN commie thugs.

Bullets, not ballots.


McCain will drill = MORE JOBS

McCain will drill: build nuke plants:

Obama will not: his plans will cost over
1 Trillion dollars, bleeding the USA More

Everyone must get out the vote:
Ignore the phony polls, they too are in the bag for Obama

Polls
If you'll take a close look at the sampling in the polls, you will find that, overwhelmingly, they poll approx. 9%-12% more Democrats than Republicans. Given this fact, if you extrapolate the numbers, were they to poll an equal number of Democrats and Republicans, McCain would, in all likelihood, have the lead in any given tracking poll given how close the race appears to be.

Don Juan
You're joking about the windmills, right? If they were so great, "Mr. Windmill", T. Boone Pickens wouldn't be campaigning to have the government subsidize his business. They can be part of the solution but you are totally deluded if you think that they are a long-term answer. The reality is that we will never be able to keep up with demand for power without nuclear. And the fact that it will take a while to get the plants up and running is one of the best arguments for getting started on as many as possible as soon as possible.

Re: Madison, MI
If name calling is all you can come up with, you're pretty sad!

If America votes in Obama, they'll get exactly what they deserve. Too bad they have to take the rest of us along with them.

When did America become so blind as to vote for a man who, in his short political career, has master lying and deception even greater than those who've practiced it for decades? Obama, Pelosi, Frank and Reid...that's what you'll get America!

I'm just curious why Don Juan trolls these blogs. He's clearly not a conservative and clearly not very well versed in politics...unless someone feeds him the words!

There is
no difference between the two. How McCain even became the nominee is more than questionable. One day he was out of money, so far behind it was ridiculous, then everyone just bowed out of the race and then McCain was having dinner with Rockefeller.

Romney was winning and way ahead of the curve, then poof, he was gone. Just dropped out and gave up?



Third Party Mistake,
I tried that once. I learned my lesson from it.

I made the Ross Perot mistake and got the Clintons as my punishment.

Think on that. Then stop making the perfect the enemy of the, if not exactly what conservatives mean by "good" at least the better of two bad choices.

Nancy
I think Don Juan is the product of Obama's so-called Community Organization.

We both hail from Illinois, and I live in Cook County, and we obviously see things very differently.

I happen to work my behind off, watching how my property taxes have increased 3 times in the past year and a half, I see we've been noted as having the highest sales taxes in the nation and still holding strong, I see how my company had to shut down our manufacturing plant and lay off 100's of emplyees due to high taxation and costs, and I see clearly we have the most corrupt political system and Mr. Change was riding that pony with the rest of the cronnies.

I see we harbor Rezko, Ayers, Dorhn, Wright, Pfleger, Farakhan and Jesse.

I suppose if Obama were elected, the country will turn into the state of Illinois, but worse. We will be spending our time working our butts off to support Don Juan's meal tickets.

PROOF!!!!!!
This shows Obama was at the base of the financial crisis in this Country.

Sighting: Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank

go to:
http://www.clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.php?id=10112&sear ch=source|generalcaseCat|Fhordeby|caseName

scroll down to: People
where you will find Obama listed as Attorney on file......shame on you lying OBAMA!!!!

More Reasons
See the website of an African-American Rev. Wayne Perriman for more reasons why Obama should not be elected.

The web site is http://www.wayneperryman.com/.

TROOPERGATE and RW radicals
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?_r=1&hp &oref=slogin

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Palin belongs to a Dominionist church full of theocratic lunatics and has a husband in the Alaskan Independence Party, and McCain is an chronic gambler, explosive hissy fits, corrupted Keating Five member, adulterer many times over [for which he was snubbed by Ronnie and Nancy], attends fundraisers for supporters of anti-abortion homicidal lunatics - but it's OBAMA's associations that are "unamerican" and "dangerous"?


Revs. Hagee and Parsley
Need I say more? This is what the GOP has devolved to: baseless, distracting smears based on smoke and mirrors. The plus side is that only the lobotomized few remaining percenters are on board with this - the rest, including swing voters and Independents are extremely turned off by these breathtakingly hypocritical smears and thinly veiled racial slurs. Yeah, you read it right: RACIAL SLURS.

Nice going, RW. Implode the Party of Morons and Regressives.

FIVE EASY STEPS TO SOCIALISM

...1. The Government injects itself into the free market economy ...

...2. The Government creates a problem in the free market economy ...

...3. The Government declares a "Crisis" and calls for emergency measures ...

...4. The Government takes steps to correct the problem ...

...5. The Government takes over the economy ...

.....Bend over, grab your ankles, and kiss your @ss good-by .....COLOSSUS

run with this story
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-signed-pledge-f or-democratic.html

do we need anymore reason than knowing that an individual is publicly endorsing socialism?

I guess you would want socialism if you want the consequence-free-lifestyle at the cost to everyone else

Nothing but entitlements

Libertarians cast proxy votes for Obama
Rationalizations for Obama

The complex process the human mind uses to arrive at decision-making has been the topic of many volumes.

One consensus that is generally held is the human mind can justify any decision and any action that it takes.

Rationalization is the mortal enemy of facts, logic and reason.

Rationalization is in ‘simple’ terms, a defense mechanism that attempts to explain bad decisions or behavior in a rational logical manner.

Rationalizing that a vote for any candidate that cannot win is not a vote for Obama gives us a prime example of rationalization.

Rationalizing that a ‘symbolic’ vote will teach the major parties a lesson contrasts the reality of their premise that the major parties ‘do not know what they are doing’ and ‘haven’t learned from the past’.

Teaching 'Politicians' a lesson is oxymoronic at best - Obama-Followers will vote for Obama regardless.

Third party votes at this time in history, is simply a 'proxy' vote for Obama that gives one a feeling of 'superior' Patriotism, I guess.

Rationalizing that ones closely held principles trump the safety and wellfare of America and its citizens is little different from those who want America destroyed.

Those who say we need to return to the Constitution that many Americans have left or attempted to destroy will be best accomplished by giving Obama and Liberals their desires and wishes to control America, is akin to giving children matches and gasoline.

The children will surely learn a lesson if survival succeeds in overcoming the odds.

Rationalizing that an Obama presidency will be good for America in the long run defies facts, logic and reason.

McCain/Palin 08

windmills
what are the upsides AND the downsides?

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/search/label/GlobalWarming



John Hawkins, do some research
"...one of the things that has helped Obama immeasurably is that his legislative record is so sparse..."

Let's do some simple math, John... Obama has 8 yrs experience as a state senator and 4 years as a US senator. 8+4=12.
If you look at all the past presidents, Obama's 12 years of experience is average for a president. Reagan only had 8 years of experience as governor.

"Granted, because of the surge, which McCain supported and Obama opposed, the situation in Iraq has improved immeasurably."

Wrong, again, John. The violence in Iraq had started to go down in spring of 2007 due to multiple factors, largest of which was the ethnic cleansing that separated the Iraqi factions. Operation Phantom Thunder, (the surge) did not take place until June 2007.

""...you may not like John McCain or the Republicans in Congress very much, but..."

It's so sad that you conservatives couldn't put forth strong candidates. Better luck next time.

This is a pretty pathetic
attempt to justify voting for McCain.
Barr's a much better choice and will get my vote.

Libertarian Rationalizations

Libertarians want absolute freedom. The empiracal evidence is that NO society in the world has ever voted for absolute freedom. This is why Democracies or our Constitutional Republic, have NEVER elected a Libertarian Government or NEVER will.

This refusal of citizens to reject absolute freedom, is a refutal of Libertarianisms primary premise, 'all that is good is freely chosen', those that 'freely choose' reject Libertarianism - what a Paradox.

This means the only way a Libertarian government will ever come to power is through 'Coercion', which is the same approach that Communism takes. A Libertarian form of government would have to be imposed, rather than freely chosen.

Libertarians believe that their political philosophy is the only 'True Political Philosophy' and all others are false. The Libertarians are the Marxists of the right, reducing social life to economics.

Many Libertarians, want to disband the military and law enforcement leaving the citizenry free to do whatever they so desire in society, but exposed to rogue nations and to more powerful rogue individuals in America (study what goes on in prison).

Libertarians forget that for much of the population, preaching maximum freedom merely results in lack of self-restraint and lawlessness.

Libertarian responses to me:
----------------------------

"See, for YOU, govt agents are "heroes", but for US they're simply folks who are parasites on the working man's wages."

"What purpose do police serve? To impose the govt's arbitrary edicts on us. Stopping the horrible crimes of driving w/o seatbelts, recreational drug use, smoking in bars, and children not wearing helmets. I've nothing against Justices of the Peace who enforce our rights to not be infringed upon by others, but Nazi-Police I can do w/o."

Libertarians and Their Responses 2

Retired Geek wrote: "Firemen, Policeman, FDA, Military for protecting National Security all are a part of government which you would abolish."

Liberatarian responses:
-----------------------

"Firemen might be the least detestable, but they're still living quite well on the public dime (w/o really doing anything most of the time) and the job could be done by the private sector."

"FDA: a clearly unconstitutional and unnecessary agency that benefits large food manufacturers and pharmaceutical corporations (while making life for independent producers very difficult) more than us."

"Military: when they serve a proper role of defending against invasion, I've no problem w/them. Since they've become an imperial force of hired killers, consuming the wealth of the citizenry (at huge benefit to the Military Industrial Complex) I'm not such a big fan."

"Funny how the Geek sounds eerily like a socialist, him/her-self with his/her oppositon to "too much" freedom."

"You, like any good collectivist, think Big Govt can "run" things better than we the people can."

"This is 'conservatives' problem: they WANT Big Govt, just for slightly different reasons than 'liberals'. This is "democracy" (mob rule) in clear action."

"If you think the govt exists to impose YOUR idea of 'morality' on me, realize that it can ALSO exist to impose my ideas on YOU. Maybe I think religion is b.s. and should be banned--for the good of society. Maybe I want to force you to recognize gay marriage--"tolerance" is good for society. Maybe I want to take your money and send it to the "needy"--for the good of society."

"Would you try to impose your will by FORCE on people doing no harm to anyone else? I doubt it. However, just like 'liberals', you see nothing wrong in getting the GOVT to do your dirty work for you."

good idea questionable execution
Going after the independent vote is smart. McCain is likely to lose with a very fired up base and noone else.

The strongest argument here to independents is the probably the split government one. But it is difficult for Republicans to make the case, "Look how badly we screwed things up when we controlled all of the levers of government, now you need to elect one of ours to prevent the Democrats from doing the same".

The problem for McCain with the Iraq war is that when he says "Obama would have brought the troops home before the surge," the independents cheer for Obama.

It was probably a rhetorical mistake to end the Iraq war section by talking about not throwing good many after bad. That is quite reasonably most people's take on the Iraq war at this point.

Also it violates your attempt to talk to independents when your point 4 is the kind of thing only partisan republicans can be tricked into believing. We are facing a credit crunch because assets have been combined in ways that make them almost impossible to assess, so no one knows who is a reasonable credit risk. Trying to blame Democrats by misdescribing the problem only tells Independents not to trust Conservatives on such issues.

And on your other points, Obama has put forward a very consistent fairly moderate position full of spelled out position papers on any subject voters care about. Of course this does not fit well with the account of him that one hears in the conservative echo chambers, but independents presumably do not spend much time in the conservative echo chambers because they don't find them reliable.

And the blame the Congress argument only works for people who don't realize that Clinton's biggest economic influence came with a budget passed in a democratic congress while Bush had 6 years of republican congress.

Don Juan
You are naive if you think that Pickens can ever have enough money. Do your research, he's pushing CNG and windmills because he has huge investments in that area, and he needs government help to make money quickly. As for drilling, we could have a lot more oil from offshore within 1-2 years, since much of the area currently off limits would be easy to drill with existing technology. Wind and solar will be part of the total package, but read your own words: they are "becoming" cost-effective. The reality is that they are not there yet for most of the country, where there is either not enough wind or enough sun to make them pay.

As for your passive solar requirements, not necessarily a bad idea. I don't know how long it takes for them to pay off or what the economics of that type of design/technology is, but I always question something that would require government force to make viable. If it's such a great idea, why aren't more people just doing on their own? I would think a smart builder could make a killing if it really was economic.
Don't get me, or Republicans in general, wrong. We are all for alternatives to oil for energy, lets just make sure we aren't wasting a whole bunch of taxpayer dollars on technology that isn't ready for prime-time. For now, our infrastructure/economy will require more oil in order to meet the current/short-term needs. If we cripple our economy by not tapping into ALL the resources we have for energy, then we won't have the resources necessary to convert our economy away from oil easily when alternatives start to make sense. I hope you don't think that more oil exploration is not at least part of the answer. If so, you are as bad as those you caracature as only wanting to "dril-baby-drill". No one on the pro-drilling side is saying that drilling is the complete answer. You shouldn't be saying that drilling is no part of the answer.

I take exception
I believe the premise of your article, but Rush is not far right. He's solidly to the common sense right. Michael Savage and Pat Buchanan are extreme right, to me anyway. Rush makes sense and is not extreme in his positions!

Wake Up Larry
You can take exception all you want but Rush is to the far right of the American mainstream. It's just a fact and there is nothing to discuss. If you find yourself considering him mainstream it's probably a good indicator that you too are far removed from the American mainstream. This isn't a bad thing at all but,please let's not fool ourselves that Limbaugh bases his comedy on mainstream American ideas and values or that his listeners represent ordinary Americans.

To Don Juan IL
Are you an idiot? or just a shill for the corrupt demos? The housing debacle = democrats/ACORN/CRA. B.Franks, C.Dodd, Fannie Mae in bed with democrats; they forced lenders to make loans to deadbeats! Simple! Sure Wall Street banks saw a way to make $$$ off of a stupid socialist policy but the fault is nowhere near Bush or the Repub's who wanted (with McCain to stop the insanity--blocked by the democrats!!! This is maddening! The MSM and shills like you keep trying to blame the Republicans and those who buy that nonsense can vote!!!!
Simply--the banking crisis was made by Democrats!!! It's a matter of record; look up the Youtube videos on it!!!!!

Blanco....
You're a sweet person for being so polite. But here it is where fools (neocons) can understand it. Rush Limbaugh is a far right loony toon and his listeners are nothing more than a bunch of bootlicking lobotomized drones. Most of them don't realize that they're a bunch of paupers while Rush and the neoconservative slime his propaganda program rant on about are living very high on the hog. What it is on one hand they make these poor saps believe that they can achieve the same economic success, while on the other hand systematically make it virtually impossible. Poor dumb animals, neocons are like lambs being led to the slaughter. The bad thing is they want to drag others who aren't so stupid down with them.

OH! Ha ha!
John NcCain is holding his "Road to Victory" rally in Wisconsin right now!

He is SUCH a maverick!.... Maybe he can push his socail security stock market scheme while he is at it....

smallguy_bigheart
Your posts show a lot of good thinking. I agree that if government force is necessary to bring something for commercial use into being in a market economy, that kind of tells you right there how economically viable or desirable the product must be.

And I'm totally with you on your argument to BrianR in your 5:48 am post. I totally disagree with some conservatives who see an Obama presidency as nothing worse than the catalyst to a new conservative era in 2012 or sooner, like Jimmy Carter's presidency paved the way for Ronald Reagan in 1980 or Bill Clinton's first two years paved the way for the Republican Revolution of 1994. I've made this point over and over again in posts here in the past weeks that just because liberal POLITICIANS may get jettisoned from office when they go too far, that doesn't mean that the POLICIES by which they went too far get jettisoned WITH them. Carter is long since gone - but the Departments of Education and Energy he saddled the U.S. with are still very much with us, and three Republican presidents that have come since him have not gotten back the Panama Canal he gave away. Clinton is also long since gone, but have any of the bureaucracies HE foisted on us (such as the Office of Violence Against Women) likewise disappeared? Were all the judges both presidents appointed to the federal bench forced to retire on the day their presidencies ended? And the Republican Revolution of 1994 still did NOT change WHO was Commander-in-Chief - and the unseriousness of that CinC in the role helped cost us the World Trade Center.

My point: even if Obama is one term and then decisively booted from office along with a Nancy Pelosi-led Congress, by that time, a lot of the damage they can do may very well prove to be UNDOABLE by a future Republican president even with a Republican-majority Congress behind him. Of course, I don't need to tell YOU this: you clearly understand this as well as I do.

Did You Say Independents?
Repeating the reasons that racists and conspiracy junkies spout out isn't going to get us many independent voters and it might be to late anyhow. Offering falsehoods and empty slogans like "Obama pals around with terrorists" turns people outside of the right wing of our party off and don't stand up to seriuos scrutiny. The Ayers arguement is not gaining traction with mainstream America and in fact is old news. By the way, do you think one independent voter is listening to you, a far right blogger ? Of course not. So in reality this is just another thoughtless and poorly written piece of agitprop for the consumption of the far right of our party. It just stirs up the anger and uncalled for resentment that I heard at a townhall rally in Peewaukee yesterday. The fact that the most popular word there yesterday was the N word was saddening to this real Republican. After all our party passed the civil rights act, equality for all races is our legacy also or do the new Palinesque types reject this idea? If so go form your own party and leave the GOP alone - we can lose all on our own and at least keep our dignity.

Don Juan - why don't you
have a job?

hawkins you racist
You said "chocolates".
You will not be allowed to use such terms after Mr. Obama wins the election.

RIGHT ON HAWKINS GOLD MEDAL ARTICLE
OBAMA IS A BAD CHOICE! HIS RADICAL FRIENDS COME WITH THE BAD SEA FOOD COMBO-PLATER IF HE WINS,HE MAY LET KIM-JUNG ILL,BE IN CHARGE OF HOME LAND SECURITY,THE NUKE CODES DONT NEED TO BE IN THE HANDS OF B.HUSSEIN!

Obamism…

Obama states the obvious, which does not need to be said, over and over again. However, Obama reminds me of others throughout history, with their ability to so quietly and enchantingly say one thing, mean and do another; and people will shake their heads in approval of the very things they oppose. What is amazing is they believe they have agreed with him. What is really very scary is that history has also proven time and again; that those willing to agree without questioning are the first to die by the millions.

It seems that every national election we've had in the last several decades has been described as the most important election in the history of America. And of course they've all been important, but coming right down to it I sincerely believe that the '08 election could well be what decides whether America maintains its place in the world as the most powerful, progressive and benevolent nation history has ever known or whether we will be relegated to a back seat in a world community capable of producing economic giants in a few short years.

This political season is very disturbing; this election will go down to the wire, with each one of us having to choose between the lesser of two evils. But, to cast the most informed vote in the most important election in our lifetimes, it is essential that we know and fully understand the positives and negatives of each candidate. Your vote does count and you should be voting for the candidate that best reflects your views of what makes this country great and so unique; remembering that this uniqueness is truly a reflection of its people and what they stand for.

We must hope for the best, prepare for the worst…I urge you to exercise your right to
V-O-T-E…else you have no right to complain!


SunThe1
Unless, of course, you're Ray Nagin.

5 Reasons Independents Should Nix McCain

1. ANN COULTER'S charge that John McCain is given to lying "all the time." (See Coulter's Jan. 24, 2008 Town Hall column).

2. RIGHT WING NEWS report of May 23, 2008, which states: "Put very simply: John McCain is a liar. He's a man without honor, without integrity."

3. Ultra Conservative RONALD KESSLER, who wrote of John McCain in Kessler's Jan. 29, 2008 Newsmax column: "If we elect a candidate with McCain's monumental character flaws, we can expect to suffer the consequences."

4. Ultra Conservative HUGH HEWITT's Jan. 11, 2008 assessment of then 71-year-old John McCain in which Hewitt said, "Even the McCain enthusiasts watch this aging warrior and know that he could no more win in the fall than Dole could in '96. Politics is not exclusively a young man's game, but it is most definitely not an old man's game either."

5. Jan. 29, 2008 reprint on the Ultra Conservative Free Republic website of Ronald Kessler's Newsmax column which contains, among other statements, "John McCain’s false charge that Mitt Romney favored a set timetable for withdrawing from Iraq underscores how disastrous a McCain presidency would be." The story bore the headlines:

"McCAIN PRESIDENCY WOULD BE A DISASTER"
"MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT"

don juan enlightens us
"Offshore drilling negatively impacts other productive use of the land."
Huh?

"Solar is at least as cheap as oil and coal"
Huh?

Jeez.

IF OBAMA WINS LIFE IS A CARD BOARD BOX !
NO CANDY,NO MONEY,ITS SIX FLAGS OVER CUBA!FOREST WHY DID THIS HAPPEN,LT DAN SAYS,BECAUSE THE STUPID,IS IS STUPID DOES PEOPLE VOTED FOR B.HUSSEIN!

Americans have lost their minds
I'm sitting at my computer reading the comments to this article and I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. We are at a crossroads and have a number of serious and critical issues to deal with as Americans and this hate and vitriol is despicable. It's incredible. One guy keeps ranting about voting for Bob Barr. That's fine but Bob ain't gonna win so why would you even waste the gas to get to the polling station to vote for him. I don't agree with the bailout but we don't have too many options at this point. In so far as the economy is concerned there is no one step fix all solution. And what is this I keep hearing about how bad things have been for the past 8 years? The economy was doing quite well until we voted in the dems in 2006 and everything has gone down hill since. In late 2005 consumer confidence stood at a record high, the stock market was soaring, gas was a little over $2.00 per gallon, unemployment stood at about 4.5%. Then we voted in the dems and just look around you at the change they've ushered in. Can we really afford any more change? Can we really afford for the dems to control the white house, senate and congress? God Save America!

Smallguy, standsground

You're kidding yourselves if you think there's any substantive difference between Obama and McCain on other than a very few issues; they vary on matters of degree, EXACTLY as I wrote.

BOTH are "climate change" adherents

BOTH are pro-amnesty

BOTH were for this abhorrent and unconstitutional "bailout"

BOTH want to use the cudgel of government to "reform" (read: "control") healthcare

BOTH flip-flopped to tepidly supporting off-shore drilling

BOTH are against utilizing our on-shore oil deposits

BOTH subscribe to the "alternate energy" BS

BOTH have their strongest alliances with congressional Democrats

Shall I go on? Because I sure can.


Have EITHER of you been paying attention at all?


I'm an independent
and I know who caused what.

READ MY LIPSTICK! McCain/Palin 08

Whoever these "independents" are
THey need to consider:
-McCain fought for the flag. Up til a few months ago, Obama thought it was redneck and beneath him to salute it.

-If your workplace wants to unionize, you can vote. But if Mr. Obama gets his way, you won't be able to cast your ballot in private. You'll have to do it in front of a union goon. Sign it and hand him your card.

-In a crisis, McCain will consult people like David Petraeus. Obama will ask Michelle.

-If you are a woman, Mr. Obama claims to have your interests at heart. But the women on his senate staff were paid much lower than the men. Words or actions? Just check out how he treated Mrs. Clinton. (But he did call a reporter "sweetie").

-If you're working class, Mr. Obama thinks you're a bit of a rube.

-Mr. Obama wants us all to chip in a couple of thousand bucks to the UN to fight global poverty. Line up for that one.

-If you own a business, you should be taxed more. You can afford it. Cut some jobs (those folks can get welfare). You'll think of raising prices (people can pay with their tax cuts), but Obama would tell you to eat the cost (that would be more "fair").

Yeah, I pay attention...
and have been all along.

Bob Barr is one of those rabid politicians like Dennis Kucinich who tried to overturn the democratic process with phony impeachment scams.

The Libertarians are every bit as crappy as any political party, maybe worse. If you watched their convention, you'd know that. Compared to the rest of them who were running, Barr and his VP are saints.

Nader whines and blames his mistakes on everyone else, he can't take no for an answer, because he's a big spoiled egostitical baby who is too cowardly to risk losing a race for a lower office. He wants to hold a debate on "anal flutter," see youtube for further details, I'm sure he'd win, lol!!

And Cynthia McKinney, get real.

McCain wasn't my first choice, but as far as I'm concerned, he's the only good choice we have right now. I'm a realist who wants to bring back school testing. Dopes are ruining this country and Obama attracts them like flies on a pile of manure.

I really am feeling bitter right now, how can anyone want to vote for someone associated with ACORN who has no experience and lies his butt off all the time? They helped cause this economic crash and are in trouble for voter fraud. Do you have any idea how many people are losing everything because of that? Who cares, if you're living off your parents, right? IDIOTS.

Obama wants to double foreign aid
and put our troops on the ground in Dafur, which will certainly unite them AGAINST US. He says it's because of "genocide," but he didn't care about genocide in Iraq.

He also tried to illegally interfere in our foreign policy on his visit there, delaying the peace and withdrawal agreement, until he could become president and take all the credit after doing everything he could to make us lose.

I'd impeach him for that!

Well, if we're interested in looking
at who pals around with whom, like Obama and Ayers, etc., how about McCain?

Does it not bother anyone that in their short time together in the 110th Congress, McCain's and Obama's (not to mention Hillary's) names appear more often together on legislation as sponsors/so-sponsors (72 and 73 times respectively) than with any conservative Republican Senator I could find, except for fellow Arizonan Kyl (87 times)? Take away the Arizona-specific stuff they worked on together, and you have McCain working more with the far-left Dems (Obama and Hill count as far-left, right?) than any conservative Republican.

If Obama will bring about the End times, what does that say that of McCain that they've been practically best buds in the Senate? How exactly does a McCain Presidency in any way impede Dem Houses from getting what they want? Mac likes working with them even more than Bush, and we all see how well that's worked out.

Obama trolls are the ones who
sound like drones and robotrons, can't you do anything but repeat talking points you read on moveon.org? Do you know who finances them? A billionaire short seller named George Soros who was making money off our falling dollar.

HAGD!

Speaking of foreign aid,
the bill in question on the Senate side is S. 2731, was sponsored by Joe Biden and co-sponsored by Obama and McCain.

Yep, there's a whole world of difference between the two. One's a zebra with black and white stripes, the other has white and black stripes.

Hmmmmm.... "Phony impeachment scams"

It seems to me that perjury under oath falls under the heading of "high crimes and misdemeanors", as stated in the Constitution.

THAT, after all, was the actual impeachment charge, to which Clinton later pled guilty and lost his law license in a plea agreement.

Or is it that you're SO desperate to rationalize your diatribe that you have to fall back on the DEMOCRATS' usual excuse that the impeachment was "just about sex"?


Standhisground 11:09 AM post.

Another clear and accurate narrative, along with historical examples, of what will most definately happen if we let that far-left radical named Obama near the People's House.

But as with liberals, this will also fall on deaf ears with most 3rd-party types.

As I have posted before, they have every right to vote their principles... or to stay home. But deep inside, I sense that even these 3rd-party types have a gnawing sense that destructive and irreparable consequences will follow because of their collective choices.

All I would continue to say is - vote your conscience... but vote.

Also, I hope that His Honor, the Don Juan, really doesn't expect me to answer his juvenile blather.

Trolls. Good grief.


5 reasons
1. SCOTUS
2. SCOTUS
3. SCOTUS
4. SCOTUS
5. SCOTUS

Don Juan

Obviously, the Senate agreed with you.

The House didn't.

My point is that it wasn't a "scam", and it wasn't "just about sex".

McCain explains it best in new video ad
http://stuff.pyzam.com/toys/tictacscare.swf









A Challenge To Obama's Acolytes
Name one good reason that anyone should vote for your beloved demagogue.

Before you do, here's a few points and topics that are off the table, so don't use them.

1. The fact that he's black. Electing someone based on the color of his skin is a racist action. It should be a man's character that counts, not his ethnicity or skin color.

2. The fact that he's for hope and change. These are nebulous concepts. In any case, hope is not a viable strategy, and change is not a goal. Change is for the purpose of bringing about a goal, not a goal by itself.

3. The fact he was a community organizer. That is not sufficient experience for the presidency of the United States. It means little more than the fact that he's going doing door to door proselytization.

4. The idea that he's a good speaker or has good looks or any other social or physical characteristic. This have no relevance on whether or not he'd make a good president.

Okay, people, let's hear it. Whatcha got?

BrianR
I notice you didn't try to refute my basic point in my reply to smallguy_bigheart, which is that the policies we may get under a President Obama, with a Nancy Pelosi-led Congress behind him, may produce changes in this nation that future conservative presidents, even with a like-minded Congress, may find undoable.

As far as whether "EITHER of you been paying attention at all?", as you asked: I've been paying enough attention that (read my lips) I DID NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN MY STATE'S PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY! And if you've been reading the posts of the vast majority of conservatives who post here over the last several months, I'm sure you've noticed (as AmericanWoman, for example, indicated in her 12:30 pm post) that almost none of them voted for McCain, EITHER. But that battle is in the past. As AW also said of McCain regarding the battle of the present, "he's the only good choice we have right now".

If you want to vote for someone other than McCain or Obama or not vote at all, that is your prerogative: I myself did not vote for the Republican Party presidential candidate in either 1992 or 1996. But, like Mother of 4 in her 8:38 am post, I learned my lesson from that when we got Clinton. I'm not trying to talk anyone into voting one way or another. But 9/11 reminded us all again of what's at stake now - and I think the stakes have only gotten higher since then. You may not think so, but I believe that McCain WILL take on our Islamist enemies. Having spent some of his upbringing in an Islamic country, and with an Islamic father, I have severe doubts about this of Obama. Also, any argument that McCain would be just as much of a puppet for Nancy Pelosi as Obama will fall on deaf ears on my part.

As I've said before, McCain may well be a slap in the face to conservatives - but Obama by comparison will be a whip across our backs. Given the choice between a slap in my face and a whip across my back, to me, there's NO choice there.

Curtal Friar
Unfortunately, to too many voters out there, it seems that the only good reason, in their minds, they need to vote for Obama is: he's not George Bush.

There's a woman at my place of employ whose husband, a white-collar professional, is out of work right now and getting close to retirement age - and this couple is not financially secure enough yet (and wasn't even BEFORE the current financial meltdown) for him to just simply retire now, not unless they want to take a severe downsizing of their lifestyle, which she doesn't. She blames George Bush for the market meltdown and the current conditions which are making it tough on her husband to find new employment - yet by all appearances, she's planning to vote for Barack Obama. In fact, like most liberals, to her Bush is the worst president ever. How this woman - who has a degree in accounting - thinks that putting a man in the White House who would raise taxes at a time of great financial distress already and all but certainly greatly constrict the job market even more than the current meltdown already has and dry up her husband's ever-slimming prospects for new employment is beyond me. But this is the mindset of so many: they figure that ANY Democrat HAS to be an improvement over Bush.

And make no mistake about it: if four years from now, an Obama Administration has been an unqualified disaster, he'll probably be putting all the blame for the fallout from his disastrous policies on George Bush or anyone OTHER than himself, as so many black mayors like Ray Nagin and Marion Barry have - and a lot of his voters will probably believe it, too.

BrianR
It's funny watching people try to paint Obama and McCain as some sort of opposites.

I had to laugh out loud when news anchors kept claiming after the debates that it was clear these two candidates are coming from polar opposites. I could envision thousands of conservatives shouting at the TV for McCain to shut his piehole so they can achieve enough muster to vote for him.

Standsground

All you have to do is refer to my earlier listing of the policy comparisons of the two.

Res ipsa loquitur

As to "he's the only good choice we have right now", obviously I don't agree.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a race between Frick and Frack, Dumber and Dumberer.

A pox on both their houses.

I don't vote for liberals. Ever. I don't care what letter they stick behind their names.

It's really EXACTLY that simple to me.

WesternBond

Yeah! Man, what a hoot!

BrianR
I'm kind of curious about something: were you living in California when the initiative was on the ballot to recall Gray Davis as governor? (I had moved away from California by then). And if so, did you actually vote to recall him? And if you voted to recall him, who did you vote for to succeed him?

Tha nswer's yes, Standsground

I did vote to recall Davis, and voted for McClintock as the replacement. I was majorly POed when that idiot Ah-nuld stole the election from him.

BTW, in answer to your next question: I didn't vote for Ah-nuld's re-election, either.

I'm the only person in my circle who doesn't regret their vote.


standinghisground
"As I've said before, McCain may well be a slap in the face to conservatives - but Obama by comparison will be a whip across our backs. Given the choice between a slap in my face and a whip across my back, to me, there's NO choice there"
------------

Pardon the french here but sometimes people need a good a@# kicking to WAKE THEM UP. I don't think a slap on the face will do it.

WHAT A DIFFERENCE NINE MONTHS MAKE!

JOHN HAWkINS in his column today writes: "I'd like to explain to the independents out there why they should want John McCain in the White House next year..."

This is the same John Hawkins whose Town Hall column on January 14, 2008 featured the headline: "A CONSERVATIVE NIGHTMARE: REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, JOHN McCAIN."

At that time, Hawkins went on to elaborate:

"Amongst grassroots conservatives, John McCain's name is an expletive -- and for good reason -- because he has made a name for himself by knifing conservatives time and time again for the amusement of his liberal pals in the mainstream media."

"McCain supports amnesty for illegal aliens, was behind the Gang of 14, is a gun grabber, opposed the Bush tax cuts, ran roughshod over the Constitution with McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform, opposes a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, was rumored to be considering switching parties multiple times, talked with John Kerry about being his Vice-President, lines up with the global warming alarmists, wants to close Gitmo, wants to coddle captured terrorists -- you can go on and on with this..."

That was John Hawkins writing on Jan. 14, 2008.
What a difference nine months make!

Barack Obama is a TERRORIST!
Barack Obama is a dangerous, radical, anti-American, muslim, communist. The only difference in Adolph Hitler and Barack Obama is that Hitler didn't have the arsenal and American military and nuclear weaponry at his disposal. Obama could. Obama is dumb as hell, folks. Listen to him speak(or, read his teleprompter). Obama says there are 58 states in this country. Obama thinks we can solve the gas crisis if we just make sure our tires are properly inflated. Obama supports the murdering of live, kicking, screaming, crying babies. Obama hangs out with terrorists. Obama has received numerous, large amounts of campaign donations from overseas, foreign muslim terrorists. Obama wants to raise taxes on you during an economic "crisis". Obama wants to force you into a third-world, slow, worthless healthcare sytem. Obama's friends, family, and preacher all believe in the "God-damn America" mentality. Good luck with this dum bass, folks. Barack Obama is dumb as hell.

GP
Obama isn't a terrorist. Don't drink the Kool-Aid!

"nmi".... Man, that was GREAT!

Great point!


One addition to POINT 3
.
”It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it”

Dear Independents:

Please also note that, had Obama's recommendation of withdrawl been accepted at the time he suggested it, Iraq would have been abandoned in the Spring of 2008 and left to al Qaeda.

Rather than this chaos and cowardice, America has achieved success over al Qaeda by following through with strength.

*** McCAIN / PALIN '08 !! ***

lying about Obama bad for McCain chances
John McCain and the republican party are having a hard time this election. It's partly the Bush administration's fault. It's partly John McCains own fault. But it's also partly the fault of people on blogs and posts like this, and other conservative media. Just because you REALLY REALLY don't want Obama in power, it doesn't help to go posting preposterous lies about Obama that most people simple won't believe. I looks really bad on the part of Republican voters to post things like "Obama's a muslim" or "obama's a terrorist" You don't agree with the man. FINE. Don't vote for him. But making statements like that is a free drive for undecided voters to Obama's camp, because they suddenly see the conservative base, and by association, the McCain campaign, as unintelligent and "erratic", just like Obama's saying now. If you don't want Obama in power, stop giving him firepower.

OIL
WQith McCain/Palin, we can DRILL our way out of this mess we have created. Need trillions of dollars and employment injected in the economy, NOW? Earn it and eliminate our need for OPEC at the same time.
With Obama/Biden in the Oval office, this country is just as doomed as the USSR was. They will ALWAYS put restrictions on energy, claiming environmental reasons, when actually the reasons are to keep the USA hurting (so maybe we will look to government Socialism as an answer, thus increasing their power).
PS - Nuclear Power Plants would be good too (long term)

Taft
You are correct - Obama is not a terrorist. Obama is trying to overthrow our country from within, but he is not a terrorist. That job is left to those who work for him.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

western bondbeam
There's also one other aspect of a potential Obama presidency that I wonder how many are considering.

We know that Obama's ACORN buddies have been committing massive fraud in their voter registration drives all throughout the nation (including here in my state). If Obama gets elected, what's to stop him and the Democratic Congress from taking steps that will make massive voter fraud - not just in a few big cities like Chicago where it ALREADY been going on for generations, but all THROUGHOUT the country - that inures to the benefit of Democrats a permanent construct of our electoral system that will ensure permanent Democratic control of the White House - and Congress - regardless of HOW people vote in future presidential elections? Through massive voter fraud that a president Obama would be in a position to institutionalize, the Democrats could effectively make America a one-party state for the rest of our - and our children's - lifetimes. This is far worse than an @sskicking; this is a giant step toward the gulag!

David

Obama and McCain are on EXACTLY the same page on the energy issue, so that wasn't even a good try.

BOTH have grudgingly flip-flopped to support off-shore drilling ONLY, and BOTH are against any usage of our other petroleum deposits.

McCain's also big on Cap and Trade (economy-killer), and just as much a "climate change" nut as Obama.

As a matter of fact, McCain wants to make GORE his energy guy.


So stop with the apologism that's not rooted in facts.

Jeff
Obamas mentors: Bill Ayers, J. Wright, Father Phleger, Louis Farrakan, Hugo Chavez, Tony Rezko, just to name a few. Nope - no relation to terrorism there. Nope. Just lots of terrible judgement. Our Pres. needs to have GOOD judgement and that is why all this stuff is important.
MSM never vetted this man, so now WE have to do their job (since they won't do it).

No appologies here, Brian
McCain/Palin don't sound very grudged about the oil issue. Now it is a money issue.
Obama talks a good line (the past few weeks), but I have seen what his party has done with this issue EVERY TIME IT COMES UP. Same thing they did with mortgage reform EVERY TIME IT CAME UP. Obama is a Democrat, but that is not all. His drilling plan includes many restrictions. ie: no drilling allowed in places where there is actually OIL (Atlantic or Pacific coasts, anywhere within 50 miles of shore). I am not a big McCain fan, but I don't want the Nation I fought for destroyed by Marxism, either. Now, are you going to try to tell me Obama doesn't promote the Marxist ideology? Read Rules for Radicals - the Obama handbook (also the Acorn handbook).

ADVICE FOR THE TERMINATOR

.....BRIANR ...

.....Instead of Ar-nuld coming to DC with his hat in his hand trying to get a piece of the Federal Pork Pie ...tell his to raise 7 billion by opening up the off shore wells of oil and gas and collecting the royalties ...

.....My condolences for having to live in the Socialist Republica of Kalifornia ...I lived in Whittier in 1953 for a year and I couldn't get out of there fast enough .....COLOSSUS

Wow
Does anyone wonder how much Don Juan is paid by the Dems? I read through these posts and find many things that are just untrue.

Solar and wind will not be able to take over for energy production. We already have lots of windfarms and they still help like 1% of our energy production. Drilling would help the problem by 100X more within a couple years. Where does this guy get his info? Solar is better than wind, but still not a viable replacement either.

Nuclear and drilling are the best ways to get the energy we need. This 10 years crap is also false. Putting up a well takes like 1 year. Lots of research has already been done in many of the places where we SHOULD be able to drill.

Brian, great points. Im still on the fence waiting for his 1 term announcement, unless I missed it.

My 5 reasons
1) I love the USA & Capitalism.
2) I love the USA & Capitalism.
3) I love the USA & Capitalism.
4) I love the USA & Capitalism.
5) I love the USA & Capitalism.

Obama is a far cry from a Capitalist. That's why the MSM loves him so much. I know - we haven't been a real Capitalist Nation since Roosevelt & the "New Deal". I still love Capitalism and (of course) I would rather see it without socialism mixed in. Now Democrats AND the MSM want us to become Socialists.

BRIAN
I would be open to your suggestion, if there was a way to NOT have Obama elected, without voting for McCain, either. Any good ideas? 3rd parties just have never done anything other than put more Liberals into office.

David
I would take a gander at Brians Blog. He makes some great points. For example:

The president and congress are always having to work together on anything. If Obama puts up a liberal policy, the Republicans in congress will fight tooth and nail while informing the people about it. They could stop some of those policies before they get through. If McCain pushes through a liberal idea, the republicans will go along with it and you will never hear a peep. It will get passed easily since republicans will back a republican president.

That is how a McCain presidency could end up just as liberal or more so.

Im still on the fence myself, but Brian does make good points. Im just not sure if its worth it.

He also has points on the SCOTUS if that is your reason on voting for McCain.

Bballdoc, David, CKHust

BBall, thanks man. It REALLY sucks having that schmuck in office.

Thanks, also, CK.

David, CK said it best. I can't go into all the reasoning here; too long, too boring for many. Take a look at some of my blog essays; there are sure plenty to choose from!

You should vote for whomever you think is best. For the next two - four years, we're just screwed no matter what, and we all need to get used to the idea.


standinghisground
While I agree that Obama himself is a manipulator and power hungry ego driven political scam artist, not all Democrats are. Also, not all the power rests in POTUS hands and while he certainly can pull the wool over some eyes, he wont be able to get them all so while Acorn is a problem (as it always is) it is doubtful it will get worse under Obama to the extent of keeping Dems in power forever.

If McCain wins, conservatives will no longer have a major party to represent them (do they now?) and it will continue to slide further left. Even now with Obama calling McCain's 300 billion buy back mortgage idea a mistake, McCain has moved left of Obama on this issue.

We are already at a one party system now(look at Palin being forced to verbalize Global Warming and cap and trade. I hear the cringe in her voice as she says it). I say the beating Obama causes does greater good in the long run. A person (or country) has to reach the valley before it can climb the mountain on the other side.

Obama worries me
I use to support him but now I have alot of questions about his relationships he has formed with far left people. Unfortunately, it looks like he will be out next president.

9 months
The difference with John Hawkins in the last 9 months is that then the election was the primary, between different shades of conservatives. Now we are in the general election between an ultra-liberal, Obama, and a moderate conservative, McCain. Hawkins is just rational in his assessment that McCain is far better for the country than Obama.

BTW, Obama is NOT on the same page with drilling. He is still equivicating with enviro mumbo jumbo. The second he gets elected, he will say, sorry, can't drill offshore afterall, too environmentally dangerous. You know that's what would happen.

Brand spankin' NEW POLLS!
From Real Clear Politics: Friday, 10/10/08


FOX News (10/08 - 10/09) Obama: 46%, McCain: 39% - Obama +7

Gallup Tracking (10/07 - 10/09) Obama: 51%, McCain: 41% - Obama +10

Rasmussen Tracking (10/07 - 10/09) Obama: 50%, McCain: 45% - Obama +5

Hotline/FD Tracking (10/07 - 10/09) Obama: 48%, McCain: 41% - Obama +7

Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking (10/07 - 10/09) Obama: 48%, McCain: 43% - Obama +5

GW/Battleground Tracking (10/06 - 10/09) Obama: 51%, McCain: 43% - Obama +8

Time (10/03 - 10/06) Obama: 50%, McCain: 44% - Obama +6

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl (10/04 - 10/05) Obama: 49%, McCain: 43% - Obama +6

CBS News (10/03 - 10/05) Obama: 48%, McCain: 45% - Obama +3

CNN (10/03 - 10/05) Obama: 53%, McCain: 45% - Obama +8

Ipsos/McClatchy (10/02 - 10/06) Obama: 47%, McCain: 40% - Obama +7

Democracy Corps (D) (10/01 - 10/05) Obama: 49%, McCain: 46% - Obama +3

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The RCP Electoral College Map is as follows:


Obama/Biden: 277

McCain/Palin: 158

Toss Up: 103


(270 needed for a presidential victory; Out of the 7 remaining "toss-up" battleground states, almost all are now leaning Obama)

Josh
Just curious: when you post the polling numbers do you factor in the sampling errors of the polsters, as in how many of each party are polled, etc?

Secondly, how much do you factor in for the Bradley affect?

Regards

Josh
How many were leaning Kerry too? I wonder...

When was the last time a Republican held a lead in the polls? I know Bush was always behind...double digits even. Reagan? I know he was behind some of the time at least as well.

Don't ya just hate the unreliability of polls?

western bondbeam
I guess I'm just not as convinced as folks like you, BrianR, GunnyG, etc. that under McCain, conservatives will have no voice that McCain would heed, or that McCain is as immovably liberal as a lot of conservatives think.

As far as his position on offshore drilling or even ANWR: well, if he's our next president, he'll have a vice-president in a position to really bend his ear and possibly get him even to "see the light". Obama will be heeding no voices except those of the far left.

McCain's pick of Palin as his running mate - regardless of what his TRUE reasons may have been - was at least a bone, however small it may seem to some, to conservatives, in my mind, anyway. Even TheBigMick opined that with Palin on the ticket, he could actually see himself clear to voting for McCain in November.

Of course, even with the votes of ALL conservatives, there's no guarantee that McCain would be elected anyway. But if Obama's going to be our next president, it won't be with the slightest help from me.

I just wish I felt as blithely as you, BrianR, etc. that while an Obama presidency WOULD be painful, it would be only a relatively short-lived pain that could be cauterized at the next presidential election. Unfortunately, given the extreme the Democratic Party has gone to, four years of Obama and a far-left Congress may lead to a conservative administration only AFTER the body politic has lost an eye or a limb or been rendered permanently paralyzed - a condition that DOESN'T change thereafter.

About Terriiorist
You can be shure when McCain is elected he will not have terriorists sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom.

5 to 1
One compelling reason not to vote for either:

Moral courage.

Some of you might be more comfortable with the phrase "testicular fortitude".

CONNIE YOUR POST WAS BRILLIANT
Reply # 71
Date: Oct 10, 2008 - 12:08 PM EST

you should quickly get a hold of the McCain campaign and start writting his ads.

As to the article when John is on he has some of the best columns at TH. Unfortunately I saw little that didnt sound exactly like what he was trying to avoid, talking to the chior. If McCain is going to win then Republicans and his supporters will have to do better then this to get the message out.

Will and his liberal friends
If the "messiah" is elected, I wonder if Will and his friends are prepared for a leader who believes America is a racist country, who believes that it is basically militaristic and that capitalism is inherently unfair and oppressive?

America has never had a leader like that in its history and Will believes all Americans should have that type of leader.

Does he really believe America achieved its greatness with leaders like Obama at the helm?

If he hasn't lived under that type of government before, I might suggest he visit Venezuela before he casts his vote in November. I am sure Hugo Chavez would be glad to explain to him what he told Bill Ayers how to mentor Obama to get the same results.

The Power of Fear and Loathing of Obama
We need a 75% turnout of pro McCain voters in order to win this election. That is well within our grasp if we fire up the base through stoking the fires of anti-socialism. We've been too PC; we've been reluctant to label Obama for what all of his associations prove he is--a radical Marxist.

A quote from an American socialist icon is apt here: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate? 1940, 1944 and 1948

Thus, Obama needs to be aggressively and broadly labeled a SOCIALIST and we need to actively stimulate middle class fear and loathing of everything for which he stands.

Wake up, America, or die in your sleep!!

Brian couple exceptions
to the rule of congress not saying a peep about the President getting what he wants. The immigration reform bill of last year- stopped cold and McCain vowing to and the government now working on the fence at a greater rate then before the bill came up and was made a national issue. The second was the first attempt at the bail-out many Republicans stood on principle against the attempt and more citizens became aware of the contents of the bill. Although the outcome of the bailout is not what you and I had hoped for, ya know complete destruction of the thing there has been a exposer of whats in the bill.

Gotta say I liked Barr when I first got to know him during the "impeachment scam" as some of the more partisan folks here are calling it, but of late Im not so sure guess Ill have to check out his websites.





J Hawkins this is a losing argument.
"However, given all the money we've spent, the sacrifices our troops have made, the enormous importance of the conflict in the war on terror, and the staggering potential consequences if we lose (genocide, regional war), doesn't it make sense to make sure that we win?"

This is poor! If you supported the war and the war was a good thing to start then the cause that made it right to begin with should be what you continue to argue for the war. Merely the fact that you spent a lot of blood and money on a war will absolutely compell no one to think it a good thing to continue. If those that continue to support our efforts in Iraq continue to try to squeak by on this type of rationalization for a "failed effort" that should be continued just so we can leave with a victory then those that support it will deservedly be labled war monger and evil whether they truely are or not.


nmi, try 3 months
It's the difference between pre-Palin and post-Palin columns (3 months ago (see July 11, 2008 column) he was taking shots at McCain on amnesty (rightfully so)).

Mr. Hawkins,
this column has the scent of ho-humness about it. Not a shock since it would be near impossible (I try not to use absolutes) for a conservative such as yourself to convincingly portray any kind of enthusiasm for McCain. My advice: stick to anti-Obama and pro-Palin columns.

Brian,
great 10 reason list, though I think you'll be disappointed with #9.

Obama's trillion dollars
in new spending is actually 47 TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW TAXES:

EXISTING DEMOCRAT TAX BILLS

45 TRILLION DOLLARS = Carbon credit Tax
1 TRILLION DOLLARS = Charlie Rangel’s Tax
845 BILLION DOLLARS = Obama’s To-The-UN Tax
76 BILLION DOLLARS = Obama’s gasoline tax
10 CENTS PER GALLON = Gasoline pump tax increase

THIS DOESN’T INCLUDE TAX CUTS THEY WILL ELIMINATE!

WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES, PERIOD!!!



STandsground, Doug, Cynewulf

Cyne... could be. I don't have a crystal ball. All I can do is go by the historical precedent.

Doug, I understand your point, but THIS time -- the "bailut" -- they went ahead with it IN SPITE of the outrage of the peeps.

Not a good sign, my friend.



Standsground, you put too much faith in Palin. She's the VP, HE'S the boss, and a pretty arrogant and self-righteous one at that.

Just like all VPs, on Jan 21 she'll be in her office in the OEOB counting paper clips, never to be seen or heard from again.




Cynewulf
Your right. It is very hard to pretend to like McCain lol. If I were to write an article on him, it would turn out horrible.

I have a new post up on my blog! Check it out!

u never know what u gonna get
That's true but fortunately McCain reveal very early his Nazism, racism and antisemitism. Then we no longer consider him as a man of character

Alinsky's strategy?
I've compiled some information on the various people Obama has associated with - radicals and extremists. I think he is running an Alinksy inspired presidential campaign and he won't let us know what his real agenda is until (and if) he is elected. Here is the a link to the stuff I compiled.

http://inyourrightmind.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/10/obama__w ho_are_you.thtml

Brian,
meh. If the GOP didn't rediscover the benefits of conservatism after losing congress, they won't now. If McCain loses, it'll be very easy for them to pin the blame on Palin despite the fact that she's the only reason that McCain is anywhere near being in this race.

LOL, Cyne

"Meh" is right!

If they are THAT stupid... and I wouldn't put it past then... they DESERVE to remain the minority party forever!


Which, incidentally, is EXACTLY the historical arc the WHIGs took, leading to their replacement by the GOP in the first place.


maeverick,
your characterization sounds just like Obama as well; can we put you down for a third party candidate?

Bryan,
unfortunately, I think they've shown themselves to be that stupid time and time again over the last 8 years.

Whatever the outcome, I would like to see things go well for Palin. Otherwise, I'm pretty ambivalent about the whole thing. I'm half curious, in a rubbernecking at the accident scene kind of way, to see what the leftists will do if Obama wins. I'm also half curious to see the mayhem that will erupt if he loses.

Always good talking with you, as usual.

Ladies!!!
If you don't want your husband, boyfriend, etc. to have GOVERNMENTAL permission, to force you to wear head-to-toe black rags, to mutilate you, and to beat you with a stick, DON'T VOTE FOR HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!

There's No Unringing the Bell

SMALLGUY_BIGHEART, at 4:28 pm, in response to my 2:35 pm post, writes: "The difference with John Hawkins in the last 9 months is that then the election was the primary, between different shades of conservatives. Now we are in the general election between an ultra-liberal, Obama, and a moderate conservative, McCain."

As they say at every court trial, "You cannot unring the bell." The realiity of political campaigns, especially contending for the presidency, is that all the dirt which is flung by rivals and the media during primaries is used strategically and enthusiastically by the opposition during the election period.

For instance: What Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden said about Barack Obama in the heat of the primaries has been used repeatedly by the McCain camp. So it's only natural to expect that the converse is sure to happen.

One other relevant point: The depth of anger voiced by ultra conservatives against John McCain during the primaries knew no bounds. The various "shades" of conservatism was only one part of the problem.

Fact is, Ultra Conservatives focused on character traits which have defined the John McCain we know today. A composite of the barbs that have been tossed at McCain this past year on Town Hall's website alone would show that John McCain to Ultra Conservatives is a demented, overaged, anti-conservative liberal liar with a nitroglycerin temper. It's all in the Town Hall archives.

Nine months ago, Ultra Conservatives had as much use for John McCain as they do for road kill. Today, John McCain, possessing the same character traits and the same resume -- at 72 is hailed by Ultra Conservatives as the person to be our next President.

Hey, Cyne, you too.

So.......


New blog post with "the guys" is coming when????


(nag, nag)


nmi
McCain is not hailed by conservatives. Today the conservatives that are voting for him are holding their noses and many are only doing that because of Palin. Many are also not voting for McCain but instead will vote third party.

This is a column on McCain vs Obama. If it was a McCain vs conservatism then I would say you have more of a point, but it is not. McCain is obviously 10X more conservative than Obama, but will he help conservatism in the future? Well that is a matter of opinion and that opinion is where conservatives are split. We are not thinking he is conservative in any way.

Energy Independence and the candidates
How about giving us a plan to become energy independent. Very little is being said about the link of our dependence on foreign oil and it's exorbitant price and the rapid decline of our economy. The high cost of fuel drives up the cost of food and EVERY consumer product. Families are suffering tremendously from filling up the car to paying electric and heating bills to the rising cost of food. There is little to no money left over to save or invest. Jobs and homes are being lost at a record rate with no end in site. We need to utilize natural sources of energy such as wind and solar as well as integrate all modern technology such as hybrid cars, plug in cars, bio fuels etc. We have the technology and knowledge what our nation seems to lack is a plan of action. We are drowning in our dependence on foreign oil. We need to wake up, educate ourselves and be proactive in demanding our elected officials do everything in their power as leaders of our nation to extract us from the iron grip of our dependence on foreign oil. I just read a book called "The Manhattan Project of 2009" by Jeff Wilson. I think maybe we should elect him for president! he is brilliant so is his book


Well, CK, actually that's EXACTLY wrong

Look at the title of the column. The whole IDEA here is to try to persuade us third-party voters to "hold our noses".

How could you miss that?


Very well said!
Hawkins has identified precisely what's going to turn this election (recent poll numbers show 29% of independent voters remain undecided). The problem is, there's no one out there to trumpet his cause. Every word of his piece makes imminent sense, but no one outside of this forum will likely hear a one of them. The mainstream media wants Obama elected, and they will let nothing stand in their way. Hence why Obama can say the most ridiculous and unsupportable things imaginable and have them paraded as gospel.

BrianR
Exactly, to hold your noses. Not to praise McCain as a conservative. Even at this point Hawkins will never say McCain is a real conservative. The only issue he even tried to push off as conservative was a fiscal policy in which McCain is much better than Obama on. The title is "...McCain over Obama"

Not how conservative McCain is.

Why I going 3rd
I am going third party this election because I just cant vote democrat.

Two McCain should have just picked Romney. With the economy the way it is how in the hell could he have picked Palin. This womans husband was part and maybe still is apart of the Alaskan Independence Party. This puts her in the same category as Obama. Not to mention McCain does not represent what the Republican party stands for.

It's simple
Obama + Pelosi + Reid + 60 Dems in the Senate = National Disaster = the End of Capitalism and the Realization of the Nanny State

1 trillion dollars in new spending with only raising taxes on people making over $250,000...... give me a break...... guess P.T. Barnum was right.... there is a sucker born every minute...

Obama; Communist Community Organiser
*
_______Obama HATES the middle class

As he was taught to by his "surrogate father" the Rev Jeremiah Wright, and penned these thoughts in his memoir for anyone and everyone to read.
For those of you not from Chicago and have never been privileged to read the daily menu of government corruption that was Barrack Obamas political education and school of higher knowledge and beleive this somehow represents "CHANGE" you need to get a clue and rise above the third rate education that our public school system gave you, the same the same ignorance promoted by William Ayers through the "ANNENBERG CHALLENGE" and pedaled for him by Barrack Obama from a 50 million dollar grant.
Barrack Obama and the Hyde Park crowd he hangs with including but not limited to Tony Resko one of his best freinds and muslim philanthropists serving 26 to life for being Dangerous to the American way of life, who he only hangs with now on visitation day at the Pen when he implores him to keep his mouth shut about all the other dirty deals that will go away with a Presidential Pardon a la Mark Rich, Timothy McVeigh I mean William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakhan have been the center of his life since Obama wandered over here. America Haters ALL.
Do you see a pattern here or is it just us Cook County voters. Its all about equality, and not the kind where you reach down and pick you neighbor up from poverty and despair its the William Ayers kind where you tear everybody down to your level and rebuild society the way they seem fit.
At a Fundraiser in San Fran probably similar in location and demeaner to Hyde Park, Barrack Obama uttered those words of true disdain for the middle class, "those folks clinging to their guns and religion" .
But did anybody hear him, I mean Them.

It's simple
Obama + Pelosi + Reid + 60 Dems in the Senate = National Disaster = the End of Capitalism and the Realization of the Nanny State

1 trillion dollars in new spending with only raising taxes on people making over $250,000...... give me a break...... guess P.T. Barnum was right.... there is a sucker born every minute...

The LAST Black President
Obama may become the first black President, but he will certainly also be its last (at least from the Democrat Party). Obama will be a total disaster and will destroy the economy. He is gearing up to make the same mistakes made by FDR, who prolonged the Great Depression for 10 long years because he, like Obama, had no knowledge of fundamental economics.

Obama will end up the most hated President in history, out-doing both Bush and Carter. And with Democrats controlling both the Senate and the House, Obama and the Democrats will have no one to blame. The leftists will be in total charge.

It may not take until 2012 for Americans to hate Obama. Americans muddled through with FDR for 10 years, but they won't be anywhere near as patient with Obama. The Democrats may LOSE BIG in the 2010 mid-terms. By 2012 the Democrat Party will be in shambles. Obama will lose the nomination in 2012.

Frankly, let the leftists screw up and suffer. I'm on my way to Texas or Alaska to secede from the Union. The "Republic of Texas" will not make Obama's mistakes, and it won't sell him any oil either. (And it will have border security.) To Hell with Obama and his fellow socialists. May those who vote for him suffer the most.

For a frightening "Obama Timeline" go to:
http://colony14.net/id41.html

For an even more frightening list of "What Obama would do..." go to:
http://colony14.net/id35.html


"Jim" The end of American way of life
*
Are the voters of this country ready to remove any recognition of the balance of power in gov't by sending a died in the wool communist to Washington to set the national agenda with the most failed Congress ever in history run by Democrats with a 8%,EIGHT percent approval rating that are day by day being proven by their own recorded words, to be the absolute directors of this total economic meltdown.

After stealing the executive and legislative branches of gov't the judicial will be like stealing candy from a baby.

Can you say supreme court justice, William Ayers. God help us !

Everyone should go on YOUTUBE and see and hear those words for him/herself. Its everywhere, for anyone and everyone to see. If they can put down their bias long enough to see the tidalwave of RATIONAL before them.

nobama
You folks just don't get it yet.

One world government'

Noboma is just the start of it.

Think about it.

Um, okay, CK

Too minor a point to quibble over, I guess.

Wow! what a column!


The posters did it!

A few idiots, a few experts at reasoned debate, Not as much name calling as some do.

Do I agree with all? Of course not.


My favorite:

smallguy_bigheart
Location: IL
Reply # 18
Date: Oct 10, 2008 - 4:47 AM EST

~~~

You, kind Sir, will never be a 'smallguy' in my book! You are as big as your Big Heart! Well Done. Please post more often, you are a Treat!

~~~


It was cloudy in the City!

Los Angeles, California. I work the Day watch out of Surveilance.

My name is BrianR. I am a private eye.

A citizen approaches me, and claims to be an Obama-ite.

I tell him, "Good, I don't like McLaim either."

He says, "When we have the three legislative branches, we will own the Country."

I tell him, in a reasoned fashion, "Not True. There are checks and balances."

Since our hero was, expecting reasonable discourse, He was unprepared when the Obamite gut shoots him. Dang, ouch that hurts!

~~~

Also, kind sir, if you have, as I suspect, any moral fiber, you will tell me whether you are the one that Killed Peter J. Wirs, on TownHall. He was my favorite foil, if indeed, you are the one, I will hate you. I strongly suspect you will not hold this against me, as you favor Honesty, Character, and Morality. Please tell me whether I can hate you or not. :-).

The alternative, is, you might be not who you claim TO BE.

~~~

Oh, yeah, Jon Duan, you do be idiot. i rite in werd yu unnerstan, IQ of less then 80 do be moron. IQ less than 70, do be idiot...
Please have your keeper, post your score.


~~~

Standshisground
Location: MO
Reply # 59
Date: Oct 10, 2008 - 11:09 AM EST

You are a good one, Kind Sir! However, 'smallguy...' got the drop on you and me.

Big Horse laugh here...

Word count gone...



The Fat Wharf Rat!


BrianR
True, it doesn't matter either way, but know that the conservatives that ARE voting for McCain will never claim he is conservative. They are HOPING he is the bridge to Palin. Remember how many were not voting for him before Palin. They feel exactly the same way you do about McCain. The only difference is that they are not willing to risk Obama for 4 years and are hoping Palin can come in after that anyways. Our beliefs are the same. Our future outlook slightly different. Both sides have good arguments.

So you McCain haters always pushing on us saying that we are labeling McCain as conservative is just wrong. I go to your blog nearly every day to read it a bit. I agree with nearly everything you put down. I will never ever say McCain is conservative, not even fiscally. That 300 billion proposal is not fiscally conservative. But remember, Obama is less conservative and that is the basis of why many are voting McCain anyways.

Im on the fence and still deciding whether its worth a vote for McCain or a third party. I just want to remind you that the other conservatives on here do not think McCain is conservative.

WTF! Why Am I Aways late To The date?

One of the best columns ever and I missed the best part of it.

My system of 'Dial-up' is a major factor.

I have no other option, way out here in 'boonie town', but just dang!

I see fools I would happliy RIP, and Suave, true, Conservitives I would praise.

Sadly, they have mostly gone by the time I can respond. It's not fair.

Anyone remember that 'Twilight Zone' Show? The myopic librarian, sequestered in the vault, at the time of the Nuclear Holocaust? His glasses broke. All the time to read. It isn't fair.


I did identify with this poor protagonist, for a simnple reason. I have read a novel a week for many years.



Am I Scared? Yes!

CKHustler
Location: MN
Reply # 160
Date: Oct 11, 2008 - 2:56 AM EST BrianR
True, it doesn't matter either way, but know that the conservatives that ARE voting for McCain will never claim he is conservative. They are HOPING he is the bridge to Palin. Remember how many were not voting for him before Palin. They feel exactly the same way you do about McCain. The only difference is that they are not willing to risk Obama for 4 years and are hoping Palin can come in after that anyways. Our beliefs are the same. Our future outlook slightly different. Both sides have good arguments.

So you McCain haters always pushing on us saying that we are labeling McCain as conservative is just wrong. I go to your blog nearly every day to read it a bit. I agree with nearly everything you put down. I will never ever say McCain is conservative, not even fiscally. That 300 billion proposal is not fiscally conservative. But remember, Obama is less conservative and that is the basis of why many are voting McCain anyways.

Im on the fence and still deciding whether its worth a vote for McCain or a third party. I just want to remind you that the other conservatives on here do not think McCain is conservative.



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CKHustler
Location: MN

Kind sir, I have been a fan of yours for some time!

I do believe Sarah palin is our best hope!

I also believe that if the Commies win this one we are doomed forever. A few think that 4 years of the obama will cure us. I, however believe that we will be irretrievibly destroyed.






Oh, yeah, CK, I know that

I understand that, and agree totally. Otherwise they wouldn't be admitting they're "holding their noses".

The only folks who'd consider McCain "conservative" are those who look at him from a very liberal point of view.

Bear one thing in mind, as I'm sure you know from visiting my blog: I don't like Obama any better than McCain. That's the problem with this awful election. There aren't any good options. We're all trying to make lemonaide from the biggest lemon in the world.




McCain's claim to be a 'maverick'
McCain hopes to harness an ugly, slavering beast comprised of far-right paranoia, hatred, fear, prejudice, and ignorance, and ride it to victory, but now he is starting to be afraid of it. Well he might be. He is discovering that "He who sups with the devil had best bring a long spoon."

McCain's claim to be a 'maverick' are absurd-he has voted with Bush 90% of the time, has over 80 lobbyists on his staff, and has elected to veer to the far right in his campaign, to the point of taking advice from Karl Rove. A better description would indeed be erratic, as he claims Obama would raise taxes more than he would one moment, and then the next moment comes up his very own $300,000,000 pork-barrel give-away program to people who borrowed money they couldn't possibly pay back.

His zig-zagging on slandering Obama is just one more example of his increasingly erratic behavior and poor judgment, and yet more proof that he has completely lost his moral center--the result of selling his soul to the Karl Rove faction of the Republican party. He is retracting some of his slanders, not because he has repented of them, but because he sees that they have backfired by alienating the undecided voters that he needs if he is to have any hope of winning.
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