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Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Jillian Bandes :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama May Grab for Guns
by Jillian Bandes
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President Obama voiced his support for an anti-gun treaty with such wide ranging implications that it could ban everything from assembling guns in kits to repackaging spent shells.

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The treaty was signed by former President Clinton, but never approved by Congress. It has gained approval in 29 other countries. Obama put his weight behind it during his whirlwind tour abroad late last month.

Yesterday’s passage of legislation that revoked the longstanding ban on guns in national parks proved that this treaty would probably fall by the wayside once more, said Larry Pratt, President of Gun Owners of America. But the fact that Obama voiced his support for it speaks volumes about the President’s view of the Second Amendment, after his famous claim to not “take away guns” from law-abiding Americans.

The treaty would “pretty clearly would require, without a whole lot of extrapolation, a regulation of all firearms in the United States,” said Pratt.

Called the “Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials,” the legislation’s bans are multitudinous:

The manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials: a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place: or c. without marking the firearms that require marking at the time of manufacture.

These sweeping regulations could affect everything from BB guns to toy guns, and could even prevent the individual re-loading of guns by the owners themselves. It could potentially require matching insignia on bullets and shells, meaning that re-use of cases would be illegal – a practice that is more common during a recession.

The regulations could also affect gun clubs, by banning “association or conspiracy” with illegal gun activities. So if an NRA member commits an offense, clubs or advocacy groups could be liable.

The treaty could even call for action against the dealer who sold an offender a weapon. If Mexico calls for the extradition of a gun dealers, the U.S. would be obligated to resolve it by “other means of peaceful settlement” that are yet undefined.

In addition to a Presidential signature, sixty-eight out of 100 Senate members are needed in order for an international treaty to be approved in the United States. But the move to overturn the National Parks gun ban gained 67 signatures, meaning passing further gun restrictions is unlikely, said Provost.

“You have [Senators] who you’re just really surprised are voting pro-gun,” he said.

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Jillian Bandes is National Political Reporter for Townhall.com
This is bad news...
But if you look at every foundation and community organizing group Obama has worked for or served on the board of, then you'll see every single one of them is against gun rights in one way or another.

It's only a matter of time if we don't seriously keep the pressure on our Senators and Congressmen.

Power-mad Dictator Wannabe
The left lead by the president and his handlers are hungry for power. They can never have total power as long as the citizenry is armed.

The American citizens have a right given by the constitution to keep and bear arms. The constiution and total presidential power is at loggerheads.

Citizens will not give up their weapons voluntarily. They will have to be forced to do so. When that happens,it will not be pleasant.

For either side.


Do You Think The Senate Will Go For This
The Senate just overwhelmingly put an amendment to the Credit Card Bill that will allow guns in National Parks; the House is not going to take the provision out; and Obama says he will sign it.

I will not let my guard down, but it appears that the Senate is very Pro-Gun...and they have to approve all treaties. I am going to bet that they will reject it.

What Actually Happened?
I guess it's important to publish this article today to counter the reality that Obama has agreed to sign the loaded-guns-are-OK-in-National-Parks bill because it was tacked onto the credit card bill. The gun hysteria people and the gun merchants have been making out like bandits on the rumor "Obama is going to take your guns away". Doesn't look like he is---in fact, today's papers are full of articles on how the NRA runs Washington---so, what to do? Put up an article titled "Obama May Grab For Guns". It's very important to keep the panic going.

Yes, of course Obama favors gun control. So does every sane person in this country. But he is the consummate politician, and he knows how to keep his eyes on the prize. He is picking his fights.

Don't Worry...
The treaty language specifically says "...competent government agency..." and it is well known that there is no such thing.

WhaT
GIVE ME BACK, GIVE ME BACK, GIVE ME BACK MY BULLETS

Congress will never let this happen to many GUN TOTEN LIBS in Congress

OMG OMG OMG
They took my rocket launcher, and I can't have over 228 bullets in a clip! Now I need to use two 114 clips. Darn.

Really people, get a grip. How have any of these oh-so-inconvenient laws effected you personally? Every gun nut I know has enough power to tear apart an elephant, and still they complain. Stop listening to taking heads like Dobbs and read the treaty.

"... could even prevent the individual re-loading of guns by the owners themselves." -- Anyone who reads the treaty as a way to keep people from re-loading is deserving of gun nut. You should have been in Phoenix when the uber-crazies were anxious to buy huns without a background check. NOW we're safe.

And you stood by Bush as he wiped his arse with the Constitution? And Cheney? You guys are just looking for a reason to look stupid.

lilly
He could do what LIBS said Bush never did,, VETOE IT

Looks like another BUSH Policy that he has chosen for America people

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Overconfidence...
I think things have been going OK for gun owners for a while now (right to carry in most states, Heller, the National Parks decision, and others), so much so that I'm incredibly worried that we're getting overconfident. The Socialist In Chief is a chess player. He will distract us and let us battle away on one side of the board while enveloping us on the side. A few horrific events, and he will have the propaganda arm of the democrat party (NBC, ABC,...) railing about how loose gun laws are (ironic considering Michigans gun laws fill hundreds of pages). He's maneuvering for checkmate - we had better be extremely careful.

seen in a Pennsylvania gun store

Poster of Mr. Obama, with subtitle "Salesman of the Month".

A lot of people have assessed the man, what he has said and written, and selected a prudent course of action - be prepared for the worst.

Sane People
Sane people don't fear inantimate objects such as firearms.

Molon Labe!

It's wrong to say Obama may grab guns...
HE WILL grab for guns Lilly. In fact he's already started setting up the pieces on that chessboard. Why would he push for this treaty? Why would Holder push for "just a few" things to do with firearms laws? Lilly look at the darn laws! There are literally several hundred pages of laws regarding firearms in Michigan alone. To what effect? Judging from past experience in this country, the more stringent the law against firearms, the higher the murder rate goes. Another example - look at Russia. Their murder rate is 4X ours, yet "normal" people can't own firearms there at all. People kill each other the old fashioned way there (with their hands, I suppose). Another example - India. Firearms are extremely restricted there - it can take years to get a permit to purchase a long gun. When someone needs a firearm there, they bypass legal methods and buy home-made guns on the black market. PUSHING MORE LAWS DOES NOTHING TO KEEP FIREARMS AWAY FROM THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO BREAK THE LAW LILLY. It only serves to further governmental control of those who obey the law. The perfect environment for a tyrant like our current president.

In the Suppository:
PRIMERS are getting scarce already you lying turd. TRY to get .308, .223, .45ACP, 9mm., .40 S&W or 7.62x 54 Russian rounds now. GOOD LUCK!!!

They have been after reloaders for 20 years. They know guns last forever if maintained so they want to limit ammunition.

Then YOU IDIOT, they want to require expensive and unproven technology to prevent crime or make guns easier to trace which are all but impossible to enact thus a back door gun ban you POSER!!!

Almost NO crimes have even been solved by tracing a gun except on TV. You cretin.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

The Socialist Chess Player .............
also happens to be incredibly neurotic as are those who surround him. Those who understand the psychopathology of neurotic individuals are several moves ahead regardless of what he attempts to do. I look forward to him sending the military against its citizenry. It will be a rude awakening to those civilian politicians who have dismantled and refused to protect the U S Constitution of the United States of America.

As propagandized by gun manufacturers
and seen in backwoods OK

"Obama is coming to take your guns."

"Boo."

Result: idiots believe propaganda. Gun nuts buy more guns. Manufacturers love the extra income from the duped. Simple, cheap, effective propaganda.

See how easy this is? Besides having to hide your rocket launchers and purchasing clips with a few less bullets than it takes to kill three bears, what have you lost in the past 30 years? Too many laws on the books? Did you read more than a few?

None of you seem to have bothered to read the treaty in question. I read it, and haven;t had the urge to hide in my basement with a semi-automatic.

Wrat Wrangler
Who's the turd?

Ammo sales are THROUGH THE ROOF!!! The ONLY reason there is an ammo shortage is because of paranoid shooters who simply can't get enough ammo. I know ... I see them every day in our gun shop. We can't keep ammo in stock. Currently we have ZERO handgun ammo of ANY type ... even the super-dirty stuff is gone.

And guns? Man, we are making BANK off the frenzy! The other day I sold a $320 S&W .357 Magnum for OVER $950 to a guy who then bought two boxes of Remington's nastiest ammo (all we had in .357). His weapon won't be clean for WEEKS after firing a couple of those rounds, but he didn't care. He wanted to "be prepared".

Come on down! We'll take your money! Just don't pretend that the ammo/gun shortage has anything to do with the NOTHING that Obama has done to limit your gun rights.

lilly, lilly, lilly... Sigh!

"Yes, of course Obama favors gun control. So does every sane person in this country."

Every sane person in this country favors gun control???

Hmmm... Really?? Wonder where that's written?

Actually, I wonder about the sanity of people who aren't very worried about ILLEGAL ALIENS.

12-15 innocent Americans are KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS EVERY DAMN DAY which I'm pretty sure are MORE than killed by guns EVERY DAMN DAY!!!


"But he is the consummate politician, and he knows how to keep his eyes on the prize. He is picking his fights."

lilly is half right about that! Obozo is "the consummate politician" and power hungry sleaze bag... Neither of which we need in the White House.


intheminority
#7 - "...buy huns without a background check..."

Either your fingers are as fat as your head or you have a problem with Germans...

Funny you guys seem to reference the Constitution whenever its convenient for you and advances your agenda.

Let me ask you - how did Bush's so called "rear-wiping" with the Constitution affect you? Afraid that some of your conversations with offshore terrorists were recorded?

The Bill of Rights LIMITS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO, not what the people are allowed to do, and the right to keep and bear arms "...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Take your commie paws off of my rights.

Obama May Grab for Guns
It's loony hyperbole like this that sends people like the Oakland cop killer over the edge. It's irresponsible.

lilly
The reason he is going to sign the bill is because of the new standards being applied to the auto industry. Allowing firearms in national parks is no big deal to him, if there is so much red tape that it is impossible to purchase a firearm.

inthemajority till 2012
You see, there is this thing called the second ammendment. It doesn't give a cap on how many arms we can keep and bear.

So yes, if I own 1000 bullets, and the government tells me I can only have 999, my constitutional rights have been violated, and the only way anyone will get that one bullet from me is in their chest.

What don't you liberals get about this?

Taft
It isn't hyperbole, his record is not pro gun. The cop killer was nuts. If it wasn't guns, it would have been something else.

You can't blame "right wing" hyperbole.

Steve - #14
Steve - I said in my post that Obama will keep gun owners distracted with garbage (like this treaty) while slowly moving pieces around on the other side of the board to get us into checkmate. Everything he has said so far indicates that. Nothing you've said in your post convinces me otherwise.

If you truly own a gun store I hope you have a plan B for your career as it is only a matter of time (wow, you must really hate your job by the way - all those bitter angry people clinging to firearms that you have to deal with).

Steve..
Thanks. We'll call you.

Keep your day job in the meantime.



NO GUNS
It is a prerequisite for having a "President for Life"

Silly Lilly
Good spin Lilly, probably worth the price.

>Put up an article titled "Obama May Grab For Guns". It's very important to keep the panic going.

"Yes, of course Obama favors gun control.

So does every sane person in this country.

But he is the consummate politician, and he knows how to keep his eyes on the prize. He is picking his fights."

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms (ratified December 15, 1791)

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I prefer the constitution. Why does he want to fight it?


New Flash Barry
You aren't grabbing mine.

News Flash Barry
You aren't grabbing mine.

Oh my goodness
Even when someone is pro-gun you can't see through your red haze, can you, Bagaman? If someone disagrees with your badly-written flames, then they're just an idiot (or a "turd" I believe is your favorite)..

Sorry to disappoint. You're ignorant. All of your waah waah waah isn't going to change that. Only educating yourself to the realities of the world will.

Guns aren't going anywhere in America. With virtually no exceptions, any non-felon can own any type of firepower they damn well please in this country. Sure, you might need to move to Montana to do it, but that's hardly Obama's fault, now, is it? Talk to your own Governor and your State government if you are limited in some way.

Then get yourself an FFL and go nuts. I and my retail brethren will happily sell you whatever you believe you need to fend off the rioting hordes. Like I said, I'll take your money. The fact that people are stupid does nothing to affect my own relationship with my guns, my God and my country. Come on down!

Eugene .. thanks for the warm welcome. Umm ... don't bother calling. I'm not sure you could offer anything of value, given your comment.

They were your friends
Now THEY just want your money. Since there is no limit on the number of primers a company can produce other than their production constraints, either they are selling as many as they can produce or they or gun stores (not the government) are creating a shortage to drive up prices. Or, THEY (NRA members) are hoarding....again. Learn to know which THEY you scream about.

They is Congress!!
And their puppetmasters at VPC. I remember about 25 years ago they wanted to add "taggants" to all smokeless gunpowder and black powder. Guess what? Smokeless powder BURNS it is NOT an explosive. Actually, unless you compress and confine it, even black powder is nothing more than a propellant.

They NEVER mentioned tagging fertilizer or diesel fuel, the components of the OKC bomb did they? Taggants can cause unsafe conditions when loaded ammunition is fired. A bonus for the BATF goons who want to control every last .22LR round and centerfire primer.
I used to shoot an 1874 Sharps #3 sporter in .45-120-530 paper patch. WHERE, without a time machine, do you get anything to feed THAT antique? You RELOAD.

Do you shoot IPSC? Then you have a PROGRESSIVE reloader or you have a rich uncle. Here near NY City we can only get Wolf .223 ammo. Talk about cr@p!!! It makes PMC look like Federal.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

yeah inthemajority
you are correct, idiots believe propaganda. The propaganda of hope and change was the latest to fool the unwashed koolaid drinkers.

YES
Guns are stupid. Get them outta here.

inthemajority for now
"OK with me. I didn't read anything about limiting the right of some guy who wants to spend his hard earned booze money on bullets on the treaty.

Please tell me where you read this? In an NRA mag?"

You were the one who was babbling about people complaining about what kind of clips they could have. I was using it as an example, genious.

"I suppose you are OK if I own just one nuclear weapon and move to your city. I should have the right to bear arms, any arms. Why the writers of the 2nd wouldn't have thought of nuclear weapons as odd, eh?"

That is an idiotic statement, and you know it.

"Where do you draw the line on what cannot be regulated? Is it so far towards whacky right that you think every regulation is an affront to your right to own a missile launcher?"

Who is trying to own a missile launcher? You idiotic libs throw out the missile launcher and nuke arguments all the time. No one is trying to own any of these things.

Steve
I could come upon a burning bush in the middle of a rain storm and if it said to me "Steve in CA really does work in a gun store" I still wouldn't believe it.

But keep it going. It's gets funnier every time you post it.....

What can be said?
We will ignore the fact that you are a potential criminal and a poster child for gun control. A criminal willing to take a life over one bullet. A typical criminal who is too stupid to bury 800 bullets in the back yard so you could buy 799 more. The only good thing to come from your “last stand” is that you will not survive it.

Good Ol'e NRA
http://www.spectacle.org/996/taggant.html

Always looking out for the people.

I laugh in wonder
sometimes at the liberals. They feel Roe shall not be infringed, while a constitutional amendment that explicitly limits government is all but ignored….no it is ignored.

Citizens not subjects
This is exactly what former UN ambassador John Bolton refered to when he spoke of the "Norming" process.

We will be citizens under the Constitution of the United States; not SUBJECTS under laws or treaties of an oraganization that currently supports some 80 terrorist states.

Hey Tyler; GFYM!!!!

Baradiel
"I was using it as an example, genious."

An example that does not exist. Same as it ever was. So do we still get no example of how you have been harmed by those bad Liberals? And "genious"? Nice work, genius.

"That is an idiotic statement, and you know it. "

Yes, but not far from your gun nutter brethren. They want, no DEMAND that they get their fully automatic high-powered armor piercing items or those darn Lib'ruls are at fault.

"Who is trying to own a missile launcher?"

Your friends. No really, take stock in what your nuttier friends are doing.

"You idiotic libs throw out the missile launcher and nuke arguments all the time. No one is trying to own any of these things."

So what is it you are CRYING ABOUT??? Tell me what high-powered uber-technological brain-rattling thing it is you wish to own and cannot get because of Obama? Where is the line, and why can't the industry be regulated? Do you really think the insane prompted by the NRA are safe purchasing anything they want when the manufacturers are allowed to produce anything they want?

Why do we have these stupid LGBT........
socialists arguing for gun control? I support gun control for all LBGT individuals manifesting Narcissistic and Borderline personality disorders. We have now solved all criminal behavior related to guns on the street and within the home. Obama, do the right thing and disarm all of these neurotic individuals for the safety of those at the playground and at elementary schools. Oh, yeah......and no bullying.

DHulme
Were you once bullied by a LGBT? Revenge is not the answer. Please turn yourself in before you cause some harm.

DHulme
The boogie man is going to get you. Run and
hide.

Come on in
Hey lib's you want them, come and get them. Oh that's right, cowards and nerf ball chasers don't have the guts to do their own dirty work, they have federal minions of a corrupt socialist regime do it for them.

The original statement still stands.

NRA member

looking ahead
I believe that the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms. It says nothing about registration, ammo limits or number of firearm limits. If these are determined to be covered by the “common welfare” clause (Article 1 I believe), I will do what I do for any laws or regulations I don’t agree with. I will break them as I see fit while accepting total responsibility for my actions. If I do the crime (and get caught), I will do the time. If laws are passed to regulate the number of guns (or ammo) I can have, and I don’t agree with it, I will hide my extra. I won’t have to shoot anybody because they won’t know.

Is that the best you can do?
I expect better from the LGBT repondents. No, I don't. I'm lying. And you missed the satire for the LGBT activists attempting to normalize neurotic behavior and its associated paraphilias to children in kindergarten and elementary school. Take your tinfoil caps off and think.

What I have always wondered about is....
What happens if there is a gun ban in this country?

Majority? Steve?

Let's say tomorrow.. Boom! The libs dreams come true. Guns Banned.

Then what?

Do we giddy up in to town and say, "Here you go Sherriff. Sorry for the inconvenience."?

Or do we ask Steve for our money back?

Granted some will turn them in. I'm not one of those but there are some.

Majority! Have you thought it through??

It would be on hell of a liberal conundrum.

Would there be warrant less house to house searches? If so where would the ACLU come down on that?

Would you use the military? We know how much you libs like the soldiers. What’ll Cindy Sheehan say? Or Code Pink? Or Michael Moore?

What would happen to probable cause?

And most importantly libs, (especially Majority and Steve) are you going to come and take our guns yourselves or are you going to watch it on CNN?
You seem to talk a good game. I'm sure that's all you do.

So am I still the only one to have read
So am I still the only one to have read the treaty? As usual, nothing for normal people to worry about, but lots for the right to pretend to be upset about.

Read the thing. Do you hate America so much that you want to make the US less safe? Oh... you only read what Jillian cropped? When there's your first mistake.

Do all gun nuts run behind the skirts of the NRA? Why can't they fight their own fights? Read something and come up with something more original than the usual crap you read in some NRA magazine and regurgitated in TH.

What gun legislation has been enacted in the past 30 years that has adversely affected you?

The Barr(el) Truth ...

They get wacky when they stay in there too long.

Eugene
"What happens if there is a gun ban in this country?"

Silly man. OK, my turn: what happens if every new home has to made entirely from pickles?

Scary, eh? And just as logical.

Silly, scared Eugene. Go buy some more guns and keep your house safe while you can.

majority
LOL
Didn't think you'd have an answer..........

Gun Control And GMAC
Six months ago I wonder how many of these nay-sayers would have said the president would own the majority share of GMAC and confiscate banks to gain control of them.

Would they have ever thought the president would set salaries in private businesses? So many other things this president is doing is unprecedented.

People who don't like guns don't care if guns are outlawed or not. That is understandable,but if they don't like freedom...that is not.


Rowly
I hear you. I'm just wondering how long it will take for some to figure out that all bets are off.

If they come it's too late.
When they come, it's already to late, and they're going to eat some bullets.
See ya later forever when that happens.
It reminds me of that police dealing with that foreign kookball who shot up the language school.
I went and watched some videos, and the chief of police said " He was all geared up, had weapons and clips like he wanted to take us on, but he chickened out and shot himself before we could get there".
Then they played a video clip of the 25 officers showing up in their swat gear and you heard a bunch of them warning eachother to not go near the door, and all sorts of crap.
Same thing with all the other incidents it seems to me.
When they want to come and take the guns they will show up 25 to 1.
Look what they do in "emergency" areas - busting in homes, kicking in front doors, taking all the guns and anything else - claiming they are "checking to make sure the gas is turned off" - and that's after they blockade all the residents out of the area, and refuse their entry.
It's already beyond nuts. you alreayd don't have a choice if they declare an emergency, nanny government will command you, or they will arrest or kill you to do so. They will bust in your front door after they have you blocked front entering after they forced you out.
Anyone who thinks they can trust our government anymore, let alone Obama's, is really dreaming.
It's all "for your own safety". And, you're a criminal suspect, and so is everyone else, so you had better obey.
It's already out of control if you ask me.
Time to let the citizens be adults again, before were all inmates under their totalitarian hand.

Give up
your guns or you will be sent to the Gulag.
Simple.

That's what the AP wants and he will get it or else.

Why call you representatives, this bunch will just enact it without a vote. The Dems are illogical and the repubs have no back bone.

The TRUTH behind this Treaty
The purpose of this treaty is allegedly to stem illicit international arms trafficking.
Mexico is singled out due to recent drug violence. If approached from this perspective, Obama thinks he can sell it to legislators. But it’s actually a red herring to divert attention from the truth and the hidden agenda of this treaty. So here’s the dirty little secret about the so called “illicit arms trade”. Relatively few guns cross the border illegally, so this treaty will have ZERO effect. Most guns entering Mexico do so LEGALLY. They’re sold to the Mexican military and police under legal export license from the US and Europe. Then some are conveniently “lost” or “stolen” and eventually sold to drug gangs by senior police and military officers at 15 to 20 times original purchase price. The guns are then stricken from federal registry; more guns are purchased, and the process continues. This has been going on for over 35 years and nicely supplements the incomes of senior military, police and government officials. How do I know this?. I’ll not give specific info on a public forum. However 30 years ago, I was peripherally involved and have first hand knowledge of it.

Thanks Dag...
Hey Majority, Steve.

That cool with you?

analminor
Say, have you read this: "The right of the people to keep an bare arms shall not be infringed?"

Don't say a WORD about "affect adversely" just says they can't in hell DO it. To infringe ANY RIGHT of mine IS to "affect adversely", oh cogently challenged one.

Might as well ask if Water Boarding Sandnazis affected YOU adversely. Or if wiretaping Quislings with Al Qaida on speed dial affected YOU adversely. Or if outlawing kiddie porn or pot affects you adversely.

Moron.

mick


Missing the point
They can try, it won't work. Millions upon millions of guns and ammo will go into hiding.

Here is the real question, how do they legislate free thinking? It is the philosophy of people who support Constitutional law and American soveriegnty they hate and can't control.

So long as a resistance is real and organized more guns and any other tool of resistance can always be gotten one way or the other.

If not here, then some foriegn supplier with a political interest can always be counted on to supply a resistance.

People who so avidly idealize the teachings of Mau, Castro, Marx, and so on should really know this.

inthemajority
Were you once bullied ( or what you thought to be bullying ) by someone who showed you his gun, thereby causing you to pee your pants? Is that why you ( libtards ) support the idiotic idea that outlawing guns would reduce crime, when the opposite is true? Idiocy is not the answer. Please STFU and go hug a tree, howl at the moon , or do whatever it is you do when you aren't too busy polishing Obama's German Helmet.

inthemajority
Eugene said:
"What happens if there is a gun ban in this country?"
you said:
Silly man. OK, my turn: what happens if every new home has to made entirely from pickles?

Scary, eh? And just as logical.

Silly, scared Eugene. Go buy some more guns and keep your house safe while you can.

Wow, you ivoke the word "logical" and you entire hypothesis is illogical.
Name one time in history that every new home has been made entirely from pickles?

Now, try to stay with us. Name one time in history that an entire country has imposed a ban on weapons. Let me help you with a few. Cuba just before Castro became the dictator, Germany after Hitler installed himself into power. I'll allow you to continue.

If you insist on those of us opposed to this type of gun control to be logical, you should try it yourself.

Reply # 5
LOL!!! Good one.

Well Said
Well said Hal!

Dealer Liability?
One cannot have a gun dealer liability law unless the automobile dealer is included so when a drunk driver kills a family of four going home from church it would be the auto dealers fault with half that blame going to the store that sold it to the drunken slob. The Louisville Slugger would be liable for the elderly couple beaten in their home for their cookie jar money and of course the knife industry would be decimated due to the 2 or 900,000 people assaulted with a knife every week. How about all the drug companies who load the streets with all their "medicines" that kill countless children every day....certainly they should be liable for those deaths.....and the list goes on......

Eugene
Some are so enamored of Obama he can do no wrong. We remember other charismatic leaders who led their followers to do unthinkable horrors to innocent people. I'm afraid of how far these people will allow him to take them.

Dear jeramy...
please look up the the definition of Non Sequitur, then see how it applies to your post.

Thank you.

inthemajority
"Silly man. OK, my turn: what happens if every new home has to made entirely from pickles?"

Would that be whole pickles or sliced? Either way it would not work for me. I love pickles and would eat myself out of a home pronto. Just think, your grillin hamburgers and there they are, pickles for the pickin.

Well Lily
I bought me one which was a huge step, not that I was anti guy but due to a traumatic experience CAUSED by Union Community Organizers that reved up a mob of striking mill workers in my home town, causing them to walk through scaring the daylights out of people who didn't
agree with them. Guns were fired in the air and one shell narrowly missed me as it came down. Scared as I was, it was about me, not
anyone else, never in all the years since have I ever wanted us to lose the Second Amendment.
A month or so ago, I overcame that trauma and bought me one..it's not that we didn't have guns in our house, my husband hunted and so do my sons. It was just me. And I joined the NRA.
And it's because regardless of my childhood
scare, I revere the Constitution and our Bill of Rights. And I heartily RESENT these girlymen
metrosexual progressive marxist thugs trying
to shred and destroy that Constitution, incrementally and by the back door.
The thugs infesting our government should be doing time, not dictating to the American people.
You did catch what I said about Unions and Community Organizers didn't you..they destroyed my hometown and caused men who'd gone to war together to become enemies and went to their graves never speaking again. And they lost because the mill moved out to a Right to Work State, so the mill workers that didn't move south, lost their jobs, their friends and family members. Half my family moved with the mill..and we were a close immigrant family. So if I tell you I HATE Unions, you better believe it.

Rowly
To amuse myself I sometimes ask Obama supporters if they know of The Night of The Long Knives.

Most think it's a new movie.


Jeramy????
Dude!

Bar none.

The silliest post I have ever read.

Don't worry though. I can still remember the first time I was on the internet.


I'm a very strong believer
in gun control. One shot for what you shoot at! That's the best control there is. I'll give up my guns. Yup, sure,ok!!! I'll give them up when you libber males give up your tiny little stones!!!!

Eugene
Most could see nothing in common with Dear Leader and der Fuerher. They could see a resemblance to Bush and him. I heard and saw many comparisons for eight years. Blasphemy!

TD2008
That's the same as Obama chummin around with his good buddy Bill Ayers-the guy who made bombs and tried to kill cops with them.

Just Try and take my guns

Several years ago I encountered 2 punks when I stopped at a stop sign. (Don't worry Jesse and Al, I won't say what color they were.)

Glenn Beck
Yeah, you must be right. Glenn Beck is responsible for all murders with guns.
/sarc off

It's amazing how you radical anti gun nuts like to blame a psycho's actions on everyone that you hate rather than on the psycho.

Why do you hate so much? I thought you were the party of acceptance, peace, love, puppies, and dead aborted fetuses.

My Gunz
A couple of years ago I was confronted by 2 punks as I pulled up to a stop sign late at night after a date. (Don't worry Jesse and Al, I won't say what color they were.) As one stood in front of my hood and the other started toward my door, me and my Glock got out and was waiting for him. I didn't point it but the minute they saw us end of encounter. Had I not been armed I possibly would not be here writing this letter. Ill be DAMNED if these obamamaniacs think they will take away the only means I have to protect myself and my loved ones. Mr. Hussein Obama and all you other gun grabbers out there take note. I will never ever ever ever give my guns to you. Ever!!!! Remember, The road to tyranny is covered in the blood of the unarmed citizen.

Guns will be in the hands of law-abiding
American citizens when the dark-cloud presidency of Barack Hussein Obama is remembered as a bad dream...

All the Anti Arms
I've seen many posts here whining about we gun owners complaining about the regulations being put into place around us.

Whenever we get 1 new gun law, that is one new gun law too many.
Every time you idiots allow the Feds to write a new law for anything, you abridge someones rights.

You are stupid, it's time to have our elected reprehensibles repealing laws.

I'm with Heston!

DHS was right
Right wing extremists will use their guns to kill people

Ban the guns. Guns kill people. Guns make pyschos go even crazier and kill people. They are bad. Let's be pro life. Don't kill.

Especially ban assualt rifles.

The only ones that should be legal are hunting rifles.

No handguns.

Time to let go.

Tyler
Define the term "assault rifle."

I love how these progressive facists
display their hatred for our constitutional rights.

Tyler, time for you to let go of your citizenship and go live in some other country chum.

So Tyler
You are pro-life huh? does this apply to unborn babies too?

I'm with SFA. Define the term "assault rifle". I bet you have no idea what it is.

Tyler
Try some of this logic. To wit: Handguns are like abortions. Don't want one? Don't have one!

At least there's a Constitutional amendment that unequivocally asserts the right to keep and bear arms. That right, by the way, SHALL NOT be abridged (lessened, minimized, or revoked).

Chew on that one. Then just try to get my gun.

01654614884
You fools, the article actually presents a diametrically opposing fact that, indeed, Obama will not promote another restrictive gun law. Au contraire, the gun industry is making a killing over reflexively conditioned disposition that the impressionable minds of the right are displaying. Unfortunately, the majority of the fringe elephants fritter away their entire life as an unholy collective eon of inveigled trance concocted by the special interest. Wail on that.

lilly fulltime hater of america
of course lilly the socialist has no problem with her messiah calling for his own personal gestapo that he can use against lawful americans/

But lilly soils herself if law abiding citizens own guns.

So losers like lilly who hate america are suffering from the fantasy there is a boogerman out there planning on assaulting her with a gun.

But lilly the retard probably can't understand that most gun violence occurs by blacks against other blacks and done with unregistered guns.

So tell us lilly, why do you fear and hate your fellow citizens who just happen to oppose your love god the fraud from chicago who like you hates america and wants to destroy the freedoms we grew up with.

the world visualized upside down
As Greg Gutfeld said the other night on Red Eye, "guns don't kill people: people kill guns."

Actually, I want Barry to reach for my weapons. I truly do. During an election year would be even better.

The Community Organizer apparently believes his own press clippings: he is the widely loved messianic figure whose detractors are only those who listen to the neglible, dismissable media, base creatures so low that he feels free to laugh openly at jokes about their slow painful deaths. Keep thinking that, Barry, and keep up the good work.

Our rights, bestowed on me by our Creator, are inviolable. You want to strip me of arms? Unless you are that Creator, you cannot: only He can revoke them, and you lack my necessary permission.

Who tries dies. End of discussion.

Have a nice day.


+++

TD
Hey! Where the hell is Salinger?

Let's lynch his a$$ for killing John Lennon.

And after that, we'll burn Jodie Foster at a stake.

If we could just find Berkowitz's dog..........

tyler the loser
so now we hear mommy's little baby is afwaid of people who own guns.

I guess you missed the news of the recent shooting where a leftist prof from a college in ga went on a shooting spree and used guns to kill. And the killer at virginia tech was a fellow student who shot people because leftist losers like you made sure the college security forces went unarmed.

But obviously you aren't aware how dangerous places like england have become where law abiding citizens are under constant threats from crim inal types who are armed and dangerous.

lilly the anciet troll
again you arte wrong. Sane people fully understand how guns in the hands of law abiding citizens keep the crime rates down.

Dc long banned guns and still had very large numbers of persons, typically the dims favorite minority of which you messiah is 1/2 who used guns for any number of violent crimes.

When there are gun s bans it affects law abiding citizens not criminals who don't obey the law to befgi n with.

So again I demand you answer. Why do you hate and fear law abiding citizens, seems you live in a fantasy world where you think socialism keeps you safe from crime.

But should A gun ban occur i n your town, perhaps you will find yourself assaulted by some criminal and then demand to know why weren't you protected

Martel ..Good post
"Actually, I want Barry to reach for my weapons. I truly do. During an election year would be even better."

Me? I'll settle for Tyler.
The door's always open, son.

Come on in.

Shoot or don't shoot???
Valuable motto taught to me years ago while in the Police Academy.

"It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".

Also....(and memorize this one carefully)....
"Officer, I was in fear for my life"

Template for gun control...
Let's say my name is Mr. Glowbama, and I'm a top level manager in a large business. I horribly dislike Mr. Gun, who challenges my authority. Mr. People, the CEO, likes Mr. Gun and won't let me fire him. So I enlist the help of Ms. Press (whose lips have been firmly attached to my backside since I joined the company) to report only the evil things that Mr. Gun does, and in general deceive the CEO about Mr. Gun. The CEO Mr. People pays more attention to American Idol and internet porn than to what is going on with the company, so he is easily deceived by Ms. Press, and Mr. Gun is fired. Now I, Mr. Glowbama, can have complete control, and since the CEO Mr. People is such a bonehead, I can do whatever I please with the help of Ms. Press and Mr. Sorehoes, the CFO. Goodbye, Mr. People, your days are numbered.

Oh - and by the way Steve - I don't use the word "turd" in my posts to describe anyone or anything. You must have me confused with another poster. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to what you're reading (and perhaps a bit more to what you hear from the Dear Leader about gun control).

almost 100 posts
And STILL no mention of how one "Lib'rul" law has interfered with their rights. Not one single instance of how they had to give up a 17-round clip for some wimpy 12-round clip (or whatever size best represents you lack of cojones these days).

Not one. How did things change in the eight years of Bush? No real change? I thought not. How have things changed in 100+ days of Obama? You now get to carry in state parks, AND YOU STILL COMPLAIN!!! You are not listening or reading.

And I'm certain nobody has taken notice that gun owners have MORE rights so far under Obama than they did with Bush II. Are you simply attending gun shows?

"Oh, but it's always a slippery slope. First the Lib'rul give you more rights to carry, and then... hey... wait a minute."

A Pleasant Message
You lowlife communist scum, the debate is over! There shall be no gun ban. Even with a total monopoly on our Federal government, your communist represenatives dare not phuck with our guns.

Before November we had hundreds of millions of guns and tons of ammuntion. Since the election, the number of new gun acquisitions are increased by huge multiples, enough to equip the Red Chinese and the Indian armies!

Gun stores all over America have glossy 8 X 12 pictures of Obama with the caption: Salesman of the Year. The BATF has run out of its Form 4473 and has advised all licensed dealers they have permission to make photocopies due to the "unprecendented" demand, nationwide for firearms.

All AR-15 manufacturers have hundreds of $millions in backorders which will not be filled until next year, even with 24/7 operations.

Worse for you communist scum, most purchasers are new clients. You have comforted yourselves with your hypothesis that the hoarding is being done by those already armed. Now you are confronted with the reality that more Americans than ever want guns.

There is nothing you can do but eat your black hearts out in agony, simmering in your seething anger over the tremendous demand for guns, and enduring the pain of your digestive juices corroding your guts with ulcers. We hope you die painfull deaths of heart attacks over this.

Do the world a favor. Drop dead. Go someplace, dig a hole, cover yourselves up and die.


Big Brother will solve it all
It always astounds me that socialists are so darn distrustful of their fellow citizens and so darn trustful of government.

I think that says a lot about them.

inthemajority scribbles:
And I'm certain nobody has taken notice that gun owners have MORE rights so far under Obama than they did with Bush II. Are you simply attending gun shows?

Sources for this assertion. Otherwise, it is merely more of your Bravo Sierra.

td2008
the person who shot and killed 2 cops in phoenix recently was an illegal and not a conserv

But then again losers like you believe in giving aid and comfort to illegals and other losers enabled by the left. In fact the kidnapping of citizens by illegals and then hoilding them for ransom is a growing crtime here in the sw.

Seems like you are another loser with victim tattooed on his forehead

Lilly, Tyler And Other Gun Haters


Start by learning the history of the American Revolution.

Next read the 2nd Amendment.

Follow it up by understanding the Heller Decision, which held "militias have NOTHING to do with the right to carry arms."

Look at the tens of thousands that are murdered by car.

Consider that brains not erasers make spelling mistakes.

Take into consideration the FACT that Sharon Tate was murdered by knives.

Also, hands, woodchippers, cement boots, etc., murder as well.

Ovens kill, too.

The 2nd protects the 1st.

Run the numbers that PROVE urban areas have the highest MURDER rates.

And, put a sock in your Progressive mouth. Progressives banned alcohol and look at what happened.

The 18th Amendment was repealed by the
the 21st.


Get Real
Are you really that ignorant or are you just being obtuse?

The ONE and ONLY reason the Second Amendment has not been dismantled by THE ONE and his pals,so far, is because 2/3 of Congress fears what gun owners and the NRA could do to them in 2010.

That, and even this congress gets the message that the ONE and ONLY aspect of this abysmal economy the Pharaoh has stimulated is gun and ammo sales!

I can answer that....
question for you in the majority. Remember '94 when the dems had their collective a$$ handed to them after passing a gun law? They majority of them wised up and know that gun issues are a hot potato they do not want to hold. Now your prez on the other hand would take guns away if he had the slightest chance in he!! but some in his own party know it would be political suicide to pass any kind of gun law. That is why we remain ever vigilant on our gun rights.

jd's handsome son
but the lefties don't seem the least bit bothered that their messiah has on numerous occasions called for an internal security force as large as our current military.

There is something seriously wrong with the messiah that he fears law abiding citizens and stands silent when nappy calls former military extremists.

As you may have read, the brave mario from fla has said a couple of times he is stockpiling guns and ammo so that when his messiah orders him to go after conservs he will be ready

I for one am hoping mario requests his duty station be phoenix. I would be more than happy to have a discussion about what law abiding citizens do when their homes are under assault

SFA1973 fumbles
Me: "And I'm certain nobody has taken notice that gun owners have MORE rights so far under Obama than they did with Bush II. Are you simply attending gun shows?"

SFA1973 "Sources for this assertion"

Really? REALLY? You prove my point so well. You mean you have not read a single paper's headlines today? Wow. Sorry bunch of Cons, even for Cons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21cards.html? _r=1&hpw

Happy now? Your turn.

lilly
"Yes, of course Obama favors gun control. So does every sane person in this country. But he is the consummate politician, and he knows how to keep his eyes on the prize. He is picking his fights."

Oh, I don't know about that. You obviously favor gun control, and, having read some of your posts, I can assure you that you don't fall into the sane-person catagory.

st denis
since you can kill someone with your bare hands, perhaps the trolls will next line up all those practicing the marshal arts have their hands cut off so they can't employ them as weapons.

And then go after the kick boxers who can maim and kill with their feet. Put those potentially violent people in wheel chairs so they can't threaten anyone

inthemajority:
I try not to read the New Obama Times

inthemajority
Your post mentioned nothing about Obumf^ck supporting gun rights. Try to stop deflecting.

cowboyup0469
And yet another failure for someone to tell me what they personally have lost due to those darn Lib'ruls. Just talk about how it is a political hot potato.

And why is it that gun nuts think that people with common sense don't like guns, don't own them, and want them to be banished? What edition or NRA Magazine said this? Or maybe it was some random blogger.

Do you really think none of us own guns? Don't hunt? Do you really think we want President Obama to ban all guns (or that it would ever fly at all?)

Where are your collective heads? We simply don't buy into the crap that NRA is handing you. We tend to read more. Tend to sort things out for ourselves. We have quite a bit more common sense, obviously, because we're not producing crazy tin-foil conspiracy theories about unseen boogeymen wanting to knock on your door and ask for your guns.

Get lives.

SFA1973 cannot read
Sorry to point this out. Again. But every paper carried this story. I bet even Fox News had this.

So you now admit that Obama has granted you new rights as gun owners. And yet, you cannot name one thing that is worse.

Unbelievable. And you still call the smartest President in decades a name. After the dumbest in a century?

Majority
Bush?


Bush?


There must be 10 posts here calling you out and you respond with Bush?

Bush?

It would otherwise be funny but with this crew in the WH, you may be in line for the Supreme Court vacancy.

Bush!

in the majority
where is your proof that the messiah is the smartest president. The fool had to use affirmative action to get admitted to college.

And since no one other than himself has seen his college transcripts there is no way of knowing anything about his grades.

And we havce no real way to assess his writing skills since he wrote nothing while editor of the law review at harvard and he never wrote anything while teaching law in chicago.

His two books were ghost written and whereas he claimed to write his inagural adress i am sure it was edited by writers far smarter than him/

That the fool needs a teleprompter just to introduce someone and reads the daily talking points his handlers put on his teleprompter there is no proof he is intelligent but he does sound more intelligent than your average black which he has said was very important for him to identify with.

Provide proof of his supposed intelligence or quit spreading the lie he is that smart. I doubt he can compare with bubba when it comes to brains.

Your messiah is clueless when it comes to a knowledge of history and economics so I doubt he is very bright at all.

But we do know he lusts for power over others

majority
Bush?

No, it's actually....
a learning disorder on your part honey. The lib'ruls did take away some of our rights and lost their a$$ for it. You really need to learn history. As for the past 8 years they have not tried partly because they had no control in Congress to do so and also because they don't want to lose control now. Go to the following link and learn how ammo can "cook a deer". Pretty funny, the intelligence some people display in office. Sure says a whole lot about the people that voted for this lady.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m1d 24-Its-The-Carolyn-McCarthy-Show

Eugene
"Bush?"

I know. I know. We all want to forget the little man. But if you will recall the past eight years, he was the President of the US.

I can't understand why you keep asking the forum about Bush. I know he was just awful, but to show your ignorance is getting pretty embarrassing.

Deputy Bob's Breakfast Club
I was a deputy sheriff a long time ago, and have many friends who are deputies here. We have breakfast every week or so (no, we have no donut shop here.) I don't know where the Left would ever get the personnel to confiscate the guns held by citizens if the law ever changed. It certainly isn't going to be any deputy or state policeman I've ever talked to. First, none of them think it's a very good idea. Second, none of them are suicidal. They believe in the right of the common citizen to be armed as well. We all agree that drug addicts, the mentally incompetent, former felons, and alcoholics shouldn't have guns, and legally they can't. We also all agree that vigorous enforcement of the laws we have is the best course.
The only law enforcement personnel I've ever heard say that handguns or some other class of gun should be banned are political cops-- big city police chiefs and police chief wannabees who rely on liberal mayors and city councils to get their jobs.
Incidentally, I managed to increase my my IRA dramatically during the stock market crash. When it became apparent that Obama would win, I knew that there would be a big upswing in gun and ammo sales, just like when Clinton won. So I transferred the majority of my stock portfolio to gun and ammunition stocks. This makes me one of the few people to actually prosper because of Obama's election. Thanks, big ears.

Oh Yea!!

Well the other day my gun came home drunk and threatened me.

Seriously, First we have to get Liberals to respect life. Then we might be able to get them to respect the peoples right to defend that life.

Con discourse is officially dead
Still have no answers on how gun owners have been adversely affected, and every paper's front page shows how gun nutters can now carry into more places.

And still they complain. And still they think Obama is coming for their guns. And still they don't read the treaty in question (it's not that long).

Over 100 posts, and nobody here seems to be hurting for their guns, legal or not. They only problems involve the self-fulfilled runs on guns and ammo because the NRA and gun manufacturers told you that there would be a problem.

Good night, nutters. Get some sleep thinking about all those laws you can't seem to name and all those guns you can't own -- but still can't name -- because of those garsh darn Lib'ruls.

Silly Cons.

Majority
You don't know whether to s--t or go blind.

Do you?

I'm so waiting for that mournful day
I think we all know where this is going.