Hans Zeiger
The Death of Dialogue?

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Cultural relativists like to talk about dialogue. They tell us that we need to engage in dialogue with people who are different from ourselves so that we can understand their perspective and become more tolerant. They tell us that we must listen to the voices of the marginalized and the excluded so that we can rethink our assumptions about the world.

But now that cultural relativists are well-situated in the White House and Congress, dialogue is under assault.

In its proper place, dialogue is essential to the human experience, and especially to a free society. It is the primary way that we interact as rational beings, something that no other species can do. Our very form of government is built on dialogue. Our Founders envisioned a republic where the best people in the country would gather in the halls of Congress to debate vigorously on behalf of their constituents. From city councils to the U.S. Senate, our republic is designed to facilitate discussion.

Anytime somebody-Left or Right-tells us that an issue is too important or too unimportant for debate, we should be suspicious. We should be suspicious when academic elites who help to shape our political ideas shut down scientific discussion about issues like evolution and intelligent design. We should be suspicious when Al Gore tells us that the debate about global warming is closed. We should be suspicious when President Obama declared on the eve of the stimulus package vote, "The time for talk is over."

Then we were told during the stimulus vote that there was no time to read the bill. It was an emergency, after all. Our leaders proclaimed that the economic mess (caused by President Bush, they reminded us) was so dire and the need for intervention so desperate that there was no time for talk. Among other consequences of stifling debate, Bill Clinton's greatest policy achievement, the Welfare Reform of 1996, was largely overturned. Most Americans still don't know about this radical abandonment of a successful policy.

Now, bureaucracies are quietly ushering through other major regulatory changes. The U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, for example, has proposed an expanded definition of switchblade knives to effectively ban the importation of a wide variety of knives. Though this change has important Second Amendment implications, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol has insisted all public comments be submitted by mail and the comment period be limited to an inordinately brief 30 days, hardly sufficient time for a thorough airing of opinions.

Hans Zeiger's Biography
Hans Andreas Zeiger is a senior fellow at the American Civil Rights Union.
 
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Bob Wrote: Jul 13, 2009 11:53 AM
The scientists have been in charge for a while now. Much as the US or South Africa made landlocked “countries” for their natives, the scientists made a reservation for the religions. The I.D. folks have done the intolerable and walked up to the boundary of the reservation, not even invoking God, but just intelligence. No God, no supernatural forces, just intelligence.

The I.D. folks have violated what the secular folks consider their turf, so the “protection” of the ghetto, the reservation etc. is gone. The protection that goes along with dhimmitude is over
Honest Lib Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 4:27 PM
Thank you for the outstanding Adam's quote!

....don't know how I've never seen that one.
Ike Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 3:57 PM
...Tea Parties? Almost too late for that. Consider this quote from Samuel Adams:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"

Verbivore Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 3:48 PM
What planet do you live on? (corporations require more, not less, regulation; gov't must protect the environment from the citizens; everyone has a right to some level of subsidized healthcare, etc.)

These are NOT Conservative or Republican ideals!
Verbivore Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 3:46 PM
You get rid of the commies, the freaky gay agenda, the man-boy lovers, Rosie O'donnel, who has the intellect of a gnat. Oh, and Jenine G. too. We could do with out loud mouth liar Michael Moore. Also get rid of all the greeners, and the nanny envirofreaks. Get rid of the people who want to "protect" me. Now it looks like they want to take away KNIVES. Next thing you know, all food will arrived in the grocery store cut up for you into tiny bite sized pieces--pre-packaged into serving sizes--sizes that meet the gov't mandated calorie count. Um, should I go on? Let's see, TitleIX, affirmative action, etc, etc, etc. THEN we can talk.
Lennie Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 3:16 PM
You have an unusual way (well, not so unusual these days) of engaging in dialogue -- with someone who likely agrees with you on many significant issues.
Frank Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 3:08 PM
Lennie Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 3:08 PM
What kind of American speaks that way to another American, Frank? I'm wondering why you have such a low tolerance for frustration. With such a meager inventory of coping resources, you must be an exceptionally vulnerable individual.



microace Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 2:47 PM
Are you the retarded one from mice and men...you said:"(e.g., corporations require more, not less, regulation; gov't must protect the environment from the citizens; everyone has a right to some level of subsidized healthcare, etc.),"
I don't know a republican that believes in any of those statements...
Goldie Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 2:42 PM
Today in this time of Obama Land there is no dialogue!!!! All of his town meeting's are rigged with pple that are known to Obama or have had all question's screened.

I find it quite funny that pple are now saying commie and Hitler when this guy had all the sound bites that were early warning signs. This guy hates this country and he and his commie politician's are going to take as many freedoms away as they can. Shove it down our throats and laugh all the way to the bank.

Check out how many representative's have gotten rich since they have been in power. They will tax everyone from birth to the grave while they keep on socking the money away. If you take care of someone all of their live's they become slaves. Jesus' said teach a man how to fish and he will be able to take care of himself.

Welfare has killed the American family as the women decided they didn't need a man just a government check. Use a man to father a child and then welfare say's get rid of the father so you can be on the dole.

Why won't pple have a dialogue about the enslavement of the government program's that are available to any and everyone if you look hard enough. Our representatives are living high on the hog with our tax dollars and we don't do a darn thing except keep voting for the pple.

I say throw the bum's out of office and get some real conservative's not a bunch of progressives. Which means Communism!!!!
Frank Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 2:17 PM
We tried that in the 80s, not good. Then again with Bush, not very good at all. The GOP would be attractive to more people if you got rid of these elements:

1. Religious right wingers.
2. Anti-government crowd.
3. War mongering jingoistic he-men.
4. Anti-Environmentalists.
5. Libertarian utopians

Get rid of them and we might have something to discuss. Until then, watch as we step on your necks. At least, I hope we start playing hardball.
Honest Lib Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 12:49 PM
Congrats, I was also banned from Kos.

Funny enough, I posted a very non-hostile and vulgar-free comment asking why liberals would not engage in debate and always resorted to trying to completely bury all opposing views. ....I think the irony of banning me was completely missed by the moderator.
Lennie Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 12:22 PM
Excellent idea, Barbara. Or is it?

The Republicans would have to be able and prepared to defend their position, using rational, consistent, philosophic principles.

Ayn Rand said that in a conflict where the opponents actually hold the same basic principles, it is the more consistent one who wins. Historically, Republicans have shown that they hold the same basic philosophic premises as the Democrats (e.g., corporations require more, not less, regulation; gov't must protect the environment from the citizens; everyone has a right to some level of subsidized healthcare, etc.), and only disagree on the superficial, non-substantive aspects of "degree" and "implementation." And, alas, Democrats have proven themselves to be the more philosophically consistent opponents, irrespective of the irrationality of their positions. So they win!

Republicans must become able and courageous enough to face the American public, clearly and unashamedly defining principles that are rational, and that morally defend the sovereignty of the individual. Unless and until they can do that, the advantage will likely continue to go to the consistently irrational Democrats.

But if the Republicans could handle that assignment, what exciting townhall meetings we could have!
Richard Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 11:32 AM

"But a return to the fairness doctrine exists mostly in the minds of conservatives."

but

"When John Gizzi, an editor for Human Events asked Speaker Pelosi whether she favored a return of the Fairness Doctrine, she told him an unhesitating “yes,”"

VR won't listen to common sense if he identifies it as coming from a "right winger."

As Don, I thought I'd try a little "vigorous debate" on the Huffington Post. My comments were (apparently) deemed unworthy.

Blowhards all, (pi##ing contest to ensue) I'll still take O'Reilly and Hannity over Olbermann and Maddow. For civility...Jim Lehrer and Gwen Ifill, hands down.
Verbivore Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 11:14 AM
We don't want to be "on your side." We fundamentally disagree. Why don't you come on over to our side? Come into the light.
Frank Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 10:42 AM
Given the track record of conservatives over the years, I would not trust them in a dialogue for one second. When you have power, use it. The only problem us liberals have is that we actually do want conservatives to be on our side as well so we play nice with them. A snake will never stop being a snake just because its in a cage. I would tell BHO to forget bi-partisanship and ram rod everything down the throats of Congress. We need LBJ not Carter.
minnesotagrandma Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 10:31 AM
I've ruined two friendships because they said, we should all just respect each others opinions or If you only talk to people who agree with you, you won't ever learn anything. What liberals mean by that is, listen to me and if you disagree keep your mouth shut. If you really feel you MUST voice your opinion don't back it with any facts that might make me change my mind.
One so called friend had to admit I was right on two differnt issues. When we were getting close to the third she started swearing at me and calling me names and refused to talk anymore.
Vampire's Reflection Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 10:22 AM
This op/ed seems to me as genuine as one of Pat Poulson's campaign slogans.

"We've upped our campaign standards, now UP YOURS!"
-Pat Poulson

This op/ed came across with all the sincerity and truth of Fox News' "Fair and Balanced" tag line.

What's even more funny is how right wingers will honestly and with a straight face claim that "substantive, constructive and civil dialogue" happens between Liberals and Conservatives on Fox.

So pardon me if I am suspicious of what counts as "civil" dialogue from the folks who believe Fox News is civil, or Rush Limbaugh for that matter.
Lon Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 9:51 AM
To the degree there is a threat to the freedom of speech it should be taken seriously. But manufacturing panic is not useful.

Scientific issues concerning evolution and global warming are debated among scientists. That economists are taken less seriously on such matters than scientists in neither new nor surprising.

The government has regulated the airwaves because of the limited space involved and the partial monopolies that creates. But a return to the fairness doctrine exists mostly in the minds of conservatives.

And it is the nature of legislating that at some point people must actually vote on legislation and not simply discuss endlessly. The practices conservatives are now pretending to be shocked at are all ones that they considered benign when republicans ran the Congress.

Our legislation gets debated to death, sometimes to the detriment of that legislation. The idea that there is not enough discussion is silly.
benehogan Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 9:32 AM
They don't read the bills that they are passing.

What a bunch of jerks. What a bunch of clowns.

We need to call them out on everything.

I know someone on their staff probably reads part of it, but the elected person does not.

Harry Reid a staff of 100 people, come on.

What is the staff size of a normal person in Congress? We are paying for all of this.
lutheran chick Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 8:31 AM
I saw an old, Bush-era bumper sticker on a car last week (in a university town) that said "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." I really wanted to ask the driver if that was still true. Dissent is not tolerated any longer.
roadmaster Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 8:08 AM
may finally be recoiling at be spoon fed by the WH. When Obama can openly mock them and make them the butt of his jokes, even the most lefty reporters get ticked off.

Bravo to Chip Ried and Helen Thomas for FINALLY doing their job. The so-called press has never understood the reason talk radio is supplanting them is because they are no longer journalists - they're cheerleaders.

The veil may be lifting and I predict that conservationism is surging in a big way.

deerhunter Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 7:21 AM
"Modern "dialogue" is throwing the other guy off your site (Daily Kos has formally banned me)"
Congratulations!
They banned my IP and deleted my user account too; shortly before the '08 election.

Fascists never tolerate independent thoughts and ideas. Nature of the beast, and all.
Don Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 5:29 AM
throwing the other guy off your site (Daily Kos has formally banned me) or removing you from the Party because you don't like his views.

Not a lot of tolerance for competing views out there.
aurorawatcher Wrote: Jul 02, 2009 2:19 AM
Everytime I see that picture of Mr. Obama's waggling his finger in that man's face while Nancy Pelosi looks on, I am reminded of the brand-new baby social worker who did the same thing to a chronically mentally ill client. The client informed the child that he was unimpressed with his still-wet diploma and that he didn't appreciate being treated in a condescending manner. When reasonable didn't result in a change of behavior, the client bit the idiot's finger hard enough to draw blood.

Not that I want to bite Obama's finger, but I'm thinking sooner or later, somebody is going to.
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