Frank Pastore interviews Cal Beisner of the Cornwall Alliance about rational and irrational policies aimed at helping the poor and the environment.

Pastore: I started driving in the early ’70s. I remember the gas lines. The odd and even days on your license plate determining when you can get gas and waiting 20 or 30 cars deep to put gas in my little, ugly Pinto, my first car. I can remember that. And then of course I read Winston Churchill and they were talking about the rationing during World War II that lasted, by the way, years after World War II—and it’s awful. You don’t want rationing. But yet in Britain, now, they are proposing this idea of having a carbon rationing card. You get this much, like a credit card and every year you get credited with so many carbon credits and then you spend these on gasoline, airline tickets, electricity, natural gas. And so you have got to make the decision—do I drive the car out to visit the kids or do I have my air conditioning at night so I’m not sweating bullets? Do we go to church on Sundays or do we—you know….

These are all big governments, central government types that are leading the environmental movements. Cal, this rationing thing scares me. How about you?

Beisner: It’s not by accident that rationism and fascism sound so much alike. Fascism is all about government control of people’s lives. It’s about centralizing everything. It’s about planning by government and that’s exactly what is going on when you’ve got rationing by government law rather than rationing by the market. When the market rations it uses prices to signal where goods and services are most needed and where they are most demanded by people—it responds to peoples own free choices.

Government rationing doesn’t do that at all. Government rationing decides in advance where the resources are going to go and then it says to people, “You get in line—you tow the line or you’re just out of it bud.” This is called fascism. It’s not politically correct to tell it that way, but that’s exactly what it is.

Pastore: Well the way they spin it in mainstream media, it’s corporations and the big polluters—big oil, big pharmacy, big auto—that are going to get nailed with this tax and rationing.

Beisner: Nonsense, because the corporations always have to meet all their costs including taxes and license fees and everything else. They’ve got to meet all their costs, and you know how they do that? They charge for their goods and services, big surprise. So you know consumers, ordinary people, pay all the costs. So it’s not just going to be the corporations that get hit. The corporations will pass all the costs on to you and me.

Pastore: I want to make sure people understand that we’re not talking about chemicals in the water, dirty air, throwing trash out the window when you’re driving….

Beisner: Rather irresponsible things.

Pastore: …there are policies out there that are nutty that don’t do anything to address the situation.

Beisner: One of the clearest examples that we’ve seen recently is the food riots that have started up around the world. The prices of basic staple foods, the various grains have more than doubled in a single year. Now for you and me, in a rich country, where we spend an average of about 15 percent of our annual budget on food, you bring up the price of food by say 10 percent or something like that—after ironing it out to all the other kinds of foods. That means we go from 15 percent of our budget to 16.5 percent.

But in very poor countries a lot of people spend 75 percent of their budgets on basic food stuffs. You double the price of those and you starve people. That’s exactly what happened. That’s the kind of short-sightedness that is behind so many of the policies being pushed to fight global warming. It came on basically because of the desire to try to turn corn into ethanol to reduce our CO2 emissions. Now, even that was short sighted because as it turns out, when you count all our CO2 that gets emitted in the process of planting and raising and harvesting and transporting and refining the corn, the burning it through your car—that puts just as much CO2 into the atmosphere as drilling for oil and refining that and burning that through your car.

Pastore: I read something about the percentage of man-created CO2 is minimal to the…

Beisner: Yes, my word it’s very, very small…

Pastore: But you get the idea that CO2 is this toxic chemical that you have to put a HazMat suit on to get around.

Beisner:  CO2 is most definitely not a toxic chemical.  CO2 is a chemical absolutely vital for life. If you didn’t have CO2 in your bloodstream you wouldn’t breathe because your autonomic nervous system responds to the level of CO2 in the bloodstream to cause you to breathe. So when that happens that’s when you take a breath. If you didn’t have enough CO2 you wouldn’t breathe. But plants have to have CO2 in order to grow. They take in  CO2. CO2 is for plants as oxygen is to us. They starve without it and the more CO2 you give them the better they grow. Which means CO2 is really a good thing. Continued...