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Sunday, March 01, 2009
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
God, Guns & Gumption
by Doug Giles
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As our nation settles solidly into the vise of a rank recession with a tax and spend president and cabinet that are morally vacuous and weak on national defense, more and more non-Kool Aid drinking folks are starting to shvitz like a hooker in church.

When I get antsy I look to my sustaining roots and three things that have never let me down, namely God, guns and gumption.

God.

I like God. For clarification purposes, when I say God, I mean the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Yeah . . . them. Of the Holy Trinity, Jesus, in today’s environment of Puss-in-Boots political correctness, is the Simon Cowell of this trio (i.e. He gets booed more than the other two). Our sassy, secularized society hates just the mention of His name. Ah, poor bebe poquito.

At present the PC punks, the libtards, the socialists, the atheists (yawn), and the wanks that make up Hollywood don’t like it if you like Christ and take a stand on His word. Especially Sean Penn. He gets real pissy if you truly believe and will furrow his brow and lecture you about how biblical values are hurting your grandchildren. I know, scary, eh?

Anyway, I know it’s not cool to like God and His word, but I still like Him. This is good for me, seeing that He can arrange my death and where my soul will take its eternal siesta. Not only is it good for me seeing that God sorts out the affairs of the afterlife, but unlike the deists’ deity I believe He’s busy jacking with us mortals, and presently He’s shaking everything that can be shaken. Therefore, I wanna be on His team. Call me goofy.

Unless you’re high, dumb, or a multimillionaire who’s stashed most of your cash and gold in a hollowed-out volcano on your private island, you’re presently feeling the shake and bake. Typically, when people freak they look to someone or something to calm their nerves.

Socialists look to the big-breasted government for solace and some scraps—even though they’ll lose liberties and their lives will still suck like a car wash vacuum.

Atheists, if they’re true to their “faith” in times of crisis, look to man. Which man, I do not know. Maybe Christopher Hitchens or Queequeg.

When faced with life’s anxieties, Curly would look to the calming effects of cheese.

As for me and my house, I’m hanging my hat on Yahweh. Yep, superstitious, silly, anachronistic, un-evolved and crippled little old me is going to look to the Rock that is higher than I for help. Why? Well, I believe heaven provides and protects in the direst of straits.

Unless I’m reading my Bible wrong, I keep getting the message that if I fully follow God (as much as a goofy sinner can) then He will send wicked favor my way that He doesn’t afford to the pagan cattle. This favor entails not only security but provision. If God exists, and if the Bible isn’t an insane stack of slush and superstition, I can rest assured that as God met Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s needs He will handle my affairs if I’m busy with His business—regardless of the crappy circumstances.

Guns.

Many Americans consider their guns to be some of their most prized possessions. I love mine. They’re beautiful. With my lovelies I can shoot targets with my friends for recreation, whack some venison for food, or off whatever dillweeds seek to do me or my family harm. Y’know, that whole provider, protector, hunter, hero thang guns afford the responsible owner. Yum, yum.

Gun ownership has been a satisfying tradition my family has held since black powder was invented. Not only that but it is as my friend Major General Paul Vallely said, “A priceless freedom won by our forefathers which few other nations have so cherished and enjoyed. It is because of the conviction about the right of citizens to own and use firearms for lawful purposes that the Constitution was amended to provide that ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’ That right is a foundation stone of American liberty.”

My guns aren’t as soft as my pillow, but they sure are comforting to have, especially if things get dicey. BTW: I wonder if crime rates will escalate as our entitled culture gets restless? I’m guessin’ yes.

For those of you who’d like to beef up your arsenal, give my buddy Kelsey Hilderbrand a buzz at www.luvtohunt.com and ask him about the “Clash Armageddon Special.”

Gumption.

I could be wrong here, but I don’t believe life favors the indolent. Therefore, when times get tough, I’m going to not only lean on heaven’s everlasting arms and cuddle my firearms like a teddy bear, but I’m also going to start working my aspen off like never before. What I’ve noticed about life in my forty-six scrumpdillicious years of cruising this planet is that the harder I work, the luckier I get. Yep, bold, hard, creative, excellent and wise work will always yield up the Benjamins.

In these times of uncertainty in which everything that can be shaken will be shaken, I’m not banking on big government wet-nursing me into Nirvana. I believe this suckulus package spawned by the Obama administration is going to leave the Americans who are looking to it as the grand societal salvo more disappointed than Lisa Marie was when she finally locked lips with Michael Jackson.

Nope, I’m fixing my hopes in the coming nightmare on God, guns and gumption. That’s my stimulus package. What’s yours?

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Doug Giles’ new book “If You're Going Through Hell, Keep Going!" is now available. Ann Coulter says "Doug Giles is a substantive and funny tour de force for traditional values.” Doug’s talk show and video blog can be seen and heard at www.ClashRadio.com.
 
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One of my favorite columns
sFrom my earlyist youth (4 years old). I have been a gun owner. Born in Wenatachee, WA and reared in the Sierra Nevada Mountains 40 miles from the nearest town and 10 miles from the nearest paved road - god it was heaven. Guns and a fishing pole were my prized possessions until I joined the navy.
This rural life taught me the wonders of books and how the real world actually works. No politics or liars, oh, excuse me, they are the same thing. Hard work and a continuance of education has made me very independent. Thank you Doug for such an inspirational message.
Al Metcalf, USN CD Ret, Vietnam.
al@bellaproducts.com

Standshisground
I think it was Will Rogers who once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

The problem with statistics is that the compiler can pick and choose which ones to use and can modify them as necessary as well.

For instance, Obama wants the White House to compile the census data. Last census the liberals wanted to "modify" the data based on statistics. What they really wanted to do was to increase the minority count in various areas so they could create different Congressional Wards. At present the census is supposed to be used to refect the same number of people in each ward. But the liberals wanted to add minorities to some areas so that when wards were made some Congressmen would have a lot less people to represent but all of them would be liberal minoritites so they could have more Democrat wards. Expect it again.

Dear Doug
Ex-MARINE to you
May you always have God Looking after you.
When I talk to him (GOD) I never hear a voice,
but I always receive an answer.Maybe it is just a feeling of lightness in my heart,or a felling of joy in my heart , but I do get an answer.
Robert Jones USMC 1966-1969 .

Standshisground 10:42pm
Thanks. I was a "short-timer" and got out of the USAF in 1973 during a RIF. My father was West Point of the Air, served in N. Africa, Sicily, and Italy with the 33rd Pursuit Group flying P40's. I was lucky enough to meet some of the real "greats", including Jimmy Dolittle, thru my father.

Every pilot I ever knew would be ashamed of Hal (Harold) Donahue. I have a special fondness for the Air Force; and Donahue's condescending attitude really upsets me as it reflects badly on the USAF.

Gray Ghost
I must say I'm immensely enjoying your "outing" of Hal Donahue. You're actually not the FIRST conservative military or ex-military poster I've seen on this site to do this - I believe every word you're revealing on this site about Hal because I've seen much of the same information from several other posters here on this site over the months as well - but it's still enjoyable. Keep it up!

Hey, Hal, if you think Gray Ghost is libeling you on this site, why don't you sue him?! Of course, you'd have to file suit against a lot of OTHER military vets who come to this site for the same reason - but that's the breaks.

stedes
There is no conflict between belief in God and ownership of firearms.

For those who believe in sef-responsibility and self-reliance, they also understand their responsibility to keep themselves and their family safe from predators.

Defense of oneself and one's family doesn't belong in the hands of anyone else. And the vast majority of firearm owners are fully aware of the responsibility as well as the right.

Ownership of firearms is not an aggressive stance and doesn't indicate a predeliction for violence. As Robert Heinlein said, "An armed society is a polite society." It is (for the most part) an indicator of responsibility and self-reliance.

Doofus:Admits to Being a Coward 9:16pm
"LOL have great night and thanks for showing your high level of frustration it let's me know that I am succeeding LOL"

Yep, a coward in that Hal Doofus talks a "big game" from the safety of his computer screen. He knows that any Conservative commenter will be banned at Huff & Puff.

Why do you think he got so afraid when his address in Scranton was posted. He knew what could happen.

Hal Doofus Lies Again 6:34pm
"He is a liar then and I am more than happy to talk with him. If he knows me then he knows I was an F-4 guy"

No Doofus, you are the liar. My uncle flew F86's in Korea and F100's in Viet Nam (3 tours of duty). He knows you Doofus. He also knows about your reprimand concerning enlisted personnel.

"Not me having the problem and as I said I am more than happy to chat with him"

He also predicted what you would say, that you would "chicken out" because not only are you a lying "desk jockey" but you are also a rather "timid" little b*stard (his words, not mine).

BTW, my uncle is 81 and has heart problems. And he is still more of a man than you. He proved his "worth" in the skies over Korea and Viet Nam. You constantly prove your lack of worth.


Hal Donahue
Here was my response to MerryColin's same entreaty on Prelutsky's thread:

Actually, Hal Donahue DOES have his own blog, on HuffPost. Although I've never personally looked at it - and never will.

However, as tiresome and aggravating as he often is, and although many conservatives have taken the same approach as you toward him and don't respond to him directly (I do on occasion when he provides an opening that I find just too good to pass up), I will not go along with your suggestion to flag his posts. In fact, as I've said many a time on this site, I have NEVER flagged a post by ANY liberal on this site and never will, no matter how far down toward the bottom of the barrel it scrapes in terms of taste and content.

One conservative who posts here urged us fellow conservatives, several months ago, NOT to flag posts by liberals, even those utterly vile, because as he said, we WANT the world to be able to come onto this site and see, through their posts, EXACTLY what kind of people constitute today's Democratic Party - and because such posts serve as a blaring advertisement screaming, "THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON LIBERALISM!" I totally agree with him.

Just the other day, in fact, Sophie told me in a post to go eff myself (I'm sure you can figure out what the "eff" stands for). Yet I subsequently said that I'd be VERY unhappy if any conservative flagged her post and caused it to be removed. I WANT the world to see such posts like hers.

Yes, I know, such a policy as I advocate means we have to put up often with unadulterated garbage on this site by liberals. But the last thing I want is to see TownHall become a conservative equivalent of DailyKos and HuffPost: sites which rigidly control and stifle true discussion. I like to think that we conservatives are made of much stronger stuff than liberals.

MerryColin
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 7:24 PM EST
THIS IS NOT Hal Donahue's website!
...Everytime you feed this useful idiot, he keeps posting ad nauseum. ...THIS IS NOT HIS PERSONAL BLOG PAGE BUT YOU ARE ALL ENABLING HIM TO MAKE IT ONE!!!! If he wants a place of his own on the web let the b'tard go hire someone to create one if he can't do it!"

I have a nice one on Huffington but I come here as a public service

"...FLAG EVERY ONE OF HIS POSTS AND DON'T RESPOND TO THIS WORLD CLASS #######!"

LOL have great night and thanks for showing your high level of frustration it let's me know that I am succeeding LOL

To MerryColin
I agree with alot of what you say--one thing I have to caution you about, though.
WHEN the Gubment comes to take your guns (as they did with the Sect) if you meet them at the door bearing arms--you will be SHOT--and it will be blamed on "somebody who just jumped the gun a bit--it was an accident" NEVER a name, NEVER any prosecuetion--just dead fathers, and sometimes mothers.
You mentioned Ruby Ridge--that's a prime example of coming to the door with a gun in your hand. THAT was a sniper, even! And babies and women are also considered the "enemy" if they are doing anything that some know-it-all considers "suspicious". (buyimg ammo?)
Properly, legally posted land--and lots of warning signs (LEGAL ones) that state exactly what the consequences are of tresspassing--and then stay hidden while you watch to see what their intentions are...THEN step out and threaten a citizen's arrest for criminal tresspass. Put 'em on the defensive without a gun in your hand. They can't get a search warrent if you WON'T ever allow them on your property in the first place--they can't know what to "look" for.
Do I sound like I know how this game is played? I DO.

Hal the habitual LIAR!

So now you are bragging about being a liar?
You do of course have proof the NRA is involved with drug traffic?

You hate the Boy Scouts too!
Are the Boy Scouts involved with drug pushers too?

Hal, we already know you are a liar!
There is no need to give us a demonstration.
We also know you have subhuman intellect.
You don't need to prove it every day.

We are well aware you would like to cloud the issue.
The fact remains that anti-gun laws INCREASE violent crime in direct proportion to the number of honest citizens they disarm.

Only FACTS are relevant. What you SAY your personal feeling are regarding this matter is of no consequence whatever!
Only criminals and cowards fear guns in the hands of honest men.

Summers
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 6:42 PM EST
Shallow Hal the Liar
Well, look what I found, the liar who did a cut and run from Star Parker's thread."

Guess what I never said MS teachers were not union. Heck looking at census data, I was surprised to find out MS had schools

THIS IS NOT Hal Donahue's website!
Hey everyone-this is NOT Hal's Website!
SJ Doc said Hal was a useful idiot and responding was wise. I thought I'd give it a shot however, I have decided to stick with my original observation... he deserves NO REPLY!

Everytime you feed this useful idiot, he keeps posting ad nauseum. He cannot make a point AS IT RELATES to the column, say his peace, and be done with it. He is an emotional cripple who cannot deal with anyone who doesn't think as he does. It is quite obvious that he has no job and hasn't got a life either. He will bounce back and forth between each column and spew his crap ALL DAY LONG! Don't believe me? Hit "ctrl" "f" and type in his name. It appears more than the word conservative!

THIS IS NOT HIS PERSONAL BLOG PAGE BUT YOU ARE ALL ENABLING HIM TO MAKE IT ONE!!!! If he wants a place of his own on the web let the b'tard go hire someone to create one if he can't do it!

FLAG EVERY ONE OF HIS POSTS AND DON'T RESPOND TO THIS WORLD CLASS A**HOLE!

MyOpine
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 7:01 PM EST
Hal the habitual LIAR!

Whether you are more likely to be a crime victim here or there or wherever is beside the point..."

Oh no it is NOT LMAO you are saying that weapons make you safe LOL. Sorry I have been many places that everyone had a weapon or wished that they did? Guess what? I was not safe

Myopine
Just wanted you to know my last 10 minutes on the show was all about how the NRA is aiding Mexican drug lords

Hal the habitual LIAR!

Whether you are more likely to be a crime victim here or there or wherever is beside the point.

The point is that crime dramatically INCREASES when honest citizens are disarmed and made helpless victims by self serving politicians.
This, and this ALONE is the issue!

http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.13844/pub_ detail.asp

Crime control is not the purpose of Socialist anti-gun laws.

Any person of normal intellect who has witnessed crime escalate in direct proportion to enactment of oppressive firearms laws would not be naive enough to think anti-gun laws hamper criminals.

Anti-gun laws disarm ONLY the law abiding.
People who advocate disarming honest citizens should be punished for the crime that results as a consequence.
ONLY criminals and cowards fear guns in the hands of honest men!

Then there's the Quaker farmer.
Who surprised a burglar and snatched up his squirrel gun. The burglar says "I know all about you. You're not gonna shoot me." The Quaker says "Friend, I wouldn't harm you for all the world, but you're standing right where I mean to shoot." The skell split posthaste.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Quanah in TX,
DON'T ever expect a rational answer from Hal, Sophie, Lilly or Wobbie. Ain't gonna happen.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Shallow Hal the Liar
Well, look what I found, the liar who did a cut and run from Star Parker's thread.

MISSISSIPPI TEACHERS ARE UNIONIZED, YOU SORRY POS. TRY AFT, DIPWAD.

LMAO
LMAO
LMAO
LMAO
LMAO
LMAO
LMAO

MyOpine
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 5:15 PM EST
Hal ...If the crime rate increases in a WHOLE NATION, what significance does per capita have other than for you to drag out a red herring?"

The real question is am I more likely to be shot or mugged in the US or another country. If crime goes up 100%, and I am still far less likely to be a crime victim I am safer in the place with 100% increase

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 4:37 PM EST
Hal Doofus Lies Again 2:11pm
"LMAO You are a liar and your made up friends are too. I let you folks carry on and on but your Dad, or was it grand dad, would been ashamed of you insulting the service of another aviator. Me? I have come to expect cheap shots and lies out of you and your ilk"

"...I checked with my uncle (my father passed away in 1986). He retired from the USAF in the early 1980's (Full Bird; Korea, Viet Nam). He said not only were you a desk jockey; but you are a lying desk jockey."

He is a liar then and I am more than happy to talk with him. If he knows me then he knows I was an F-4 guy

"He said if you have any problem with the truth, for me to relay the maessage. He would be glad to discuss it with you."

Not me having the problem and as I said I am more than happy to chat with him

Jack
Love is not a bare bodkin, either, but Shakespeare's line does describe love to a tee -- provided you know what a bodkin is. Have you never heard of poetic language -- metaphor, figures of speech, word-pictures?

Not point of fact
>In point of fact, lying about embarassing statistics such as crime is just as much a practice in some parts of America as it is in Europe. Exhibit A is public school districts. I've known many teachers in the Los Angeles Unified School District, for example, who tell me that their school's administration simply don't report a lot of crime that goes on in their schools, even when police reports are filed, because they don't want to be embarassed about that - or vehemently discourage teachers from reporting even crimes that would be felonies.<

Hearsay

MyOpine & 45caliber
MyOpine:

I don't know, maybe liberals are so used to their fellow liberals swallowing their lies that they've projected that trait onto conservatives as well and therefore naively come here in the belief that we will be just as impressed by their faux credentials as their fellow libs.


45caliber:

I've heard the same thing as well about crime in England. And given that the people of England don't report so many of their crimes, nor do the police fill out police reports on them, the crime figures of England will therefore be on the surface considerably lower than what is reported in the United States. Of course, it's all a lie, but that is the modus operandi of liberals.

In point of fact, lying about embarassing statistics such as crime is just as much a practice in some parts of America as it is in Europe. Exhibit A is public school districts. I've known many teachers in the Los Angeles Unified School District, for example, who tell me that their school's administration simply don't report a lot of crime that goes on in their schools, even when police reports are filed, because they don't want to be embarassed about that - or vehemently discourage teachers from reporting even crimes that would be felonies.

Oh, and by the way, if Obama and the Democratic Congress ever manage to nationalize America's health-care system, and mortality statistics for that system start taking a precipitous uptick, you can bet the farm that those who will be in charge of administering a nationalized American health-care system, and the government agencies charged with filing reports about it, will be lying about THOSE statistics as well.

Not Crime, Subjugation
Socialists could care less about crime, what they do care about is domination of society. If you think this is spurious start checking up on what politicians protest the loudest when state and federal law enforcement begin operations against an urban gang. Ever wonder why the Mafia and Motorcycle gangs have been crushed, but urban gangs continually grow and expand. Imagine the kick up from drug trade. Also, who do you think your local political machine will go to for muscle if our economic situation continues to deteriorate? Make no mistake about it; those that would disarm you would unleash a terror on your families that the American mind cannot even conceive.

Hal the habitual LIAR!

If the crime rate increases in a WHOLE NATION, what significance does per capita have other than for you to drag out a red herring?

Gun confiscation is such an embarrassment in England that they lie to conceal the figures;
http://www.red-alerts.com/european-theater/violent-crimes-u nder-reported-in-england/

Typical of the dumed down American Leftists, they are unaware our present small arms have been obsolete for decades.
If they were removed, the replacements here in America would be as modern as tomorrow.
Driveby with AK47s?
The sun roof on a car would open and a quad mount of 105mm rockets would emerge!
That is what a modern driveby would look like!
Rockets & throwaway pods can be mass produced in a garage without anyone knowing.
Making an AK47 is expensive, noisy and requires machinery.

Provide Americans with a NEED and see what happens!

Despite the Anti-Gun people here...
I saw a report several years ago about the murders per country in the world. Most liberals say it is the United States. Wrong. Number 1 is Russia. They also say there are more gun deaths in the U.S. than anywhere else. Wrong again. Russia is first; Japan is second due to suicide. (And it is illegal to even own a bullet it Japan, much less a gun!) The figures the liberals like to quote are the total number of gun deaths in the United States - which includes murder, suicide, accidents, and even the police shooting a criminal shooting at them - vs. ONLY gun murders in other countries.

So ignore anyone stating that if we get rid of guns we get rid of crime or murders. Their figures are faulty - just like their intelligence.

Hal
You stated that most European countries have lower crime rates than the U.S. after they got rid of guns. England doesn't. Is it an exception? There is so much crime there that the police no longer investigate anything except major felonies and make no arrests on more minor crimes unless the victims can provide proof of who the criminal is. Most more minor crimes are no longer even reported since the police seldom has time to take the report. One figure I saw stated that Brits are 16 times more likely to be a victim of a crime than Americans here are. In the U.S. 10% of burglaries are "hot" in that the burglar knows the people are at home. In England the number is close to 90% because the burglar knows that the victim cannot harm him and prefers the victim to be at home to tell him where the cash is hidden. One police officer there stated that there are as many guns in England today as when guns were banned - but the guns are automatic weapons (most liberals call them machine guns) in the hands of the criminals instead of hunting weapons in the hands of law-abiding citizens. These were imported with the drugs the gangs sell there.

Is this the "less crime" country to which you were referring?

The logic of anti-gun laws;

Every gun in the home of an honest person, makes every home a little bit safer.
Criminals have no way to know whether the Walther PP I keep for a house gun is in a holster fastened behind your coffee table or mine. Where it is unlawful to own firearms, criminals can force entry into either of our homes, assured by our Government that it is safe to do so.

Honest citizens rarely misuse firearms. When emotionally misguided people try to eliminate that minute problem by disarming all citizens, they create hundreds of times as much crime as they had before. Human predators are different in that the helpless prey entices men who normally would be afraid to commit violent crimes.

Prior to the bad gun laws, people left their keys in their cars, left their homes unlocked, bank robbery or murder was so rare it made coast to coast headline news. It was safe for children to play in parks, your grandmother would go for cool evening walks through the park. High schools had rifle teams as famous as their football teams and it was as common for a boy to own a Stevens Single Shot or Winchester 69 boy's training rifle as it was to own a bicycle!
TODAY, after 20,000+ gun laws; Homes have multiple locks, burglar alarms and bars on windows. Crime has escalated, murder & bank robbery are so common they rarely make page 3 in local papers. If you left your car or home unlocked, the car would be found stripped and the only thing left in your home would be the paint on the walls. If your grandmother went for a cool evening walk you can expect to find her in the city morgue.

20,000+ anti-gun laws, each one making the problem a little worse!
What is your definition of insanity?

Come On Hal

Don’t play word games. You came here to our little corner of the world to bring us the gospel of the DNC. Here is your chance tell us what the politics of change is going to mean for the Second Amendment.

Be Loud and Proud, just think how you will have us red state rubes cowering in fear.

Hal Doofus Lies Again 2:11pm
"LMAO You are a liar and your made up friends are too. I let you folks carry on and on but your Dad, or was it grand dad, would been ashamed of you insulting the service of another aviator. Me? I have come to expect cheap shots and lies out of you and your ilk"

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

I checked with my uncle (my father passed away in 1986). He retired from the USAF in the early 1980's (Full Bird; Korea, Viet Nam). He said not only were you a desk jockey; but you are a lying desk jockey. The closest you ever got to a cockpit was when you brought the crew a cup of coffee.

He said if you have any problem with the truth, for me to relay the maessage. He would be glad to discuss it with you.

Standshisground

Very often we have some Leftist come here pretending to be something he is not.
Wobbie is the all time greatest Champion poser but there have been many lessor fakes and they still continue to come.

They often boast of being something they know nothing about.
TH is a good place to smoke out the real thing by pretending.

My favorites are those who call themselves "Libertarians & Independents & Moderates", claim to be politically neutral and immediately start attacking Conservatives and chumming with hard line Socialists.

Make you wonder how anyone could be so naive as to think we would not notice that right away?

Reba
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 3:55 PM EST
HELLO AGAIN, HAL
Your post at 3:05 PM
"Is that why all those other countires with anti-gun laws have a much lower per capita crime rate?"

THE ANSWER MY FRIEND IS: All these countries also have stronger law enforcement. Some European countries are almost a Police State."

I think if you check per capita police is far lower also for western europe


QParker
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 3:47 PM EST
Come On Hal, Don't Be Coy

Speak up and tell us what "common sense" abuses of the Second Amendment do you favor?"

I did give an example

MyOpine
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 3:25 PM EST
LINK IS GOOD!

Just checked it;"

Notice that they do not give crime rates per capita

God, Guns, and Gumption
I agree with Doug Giles. These three things - and ONLY these three things - will set us back on the right track in our country. It is coming, although I have no idea when. The only other path leads to destruction of the United States and the creation of a number of small Communist-style countries, although they may call themselves something else. The only problem is that it will also probably result in the destruction of much of the rest of the world as well since they can't rely on the gun part and probably not on the God part either.

MyOpine:
In your conversation with Hal about Muslims and Israilis both "crying in his arms"...

He stated that there was a massacre of Muslims by Christians. I sort of doubt it. There was a reporter who stated during the war there that he was interested to note that the "fighters" on both sides, when they wanted to kill someone, didn't attack the other side. They tended to drive around behind the lines on their own sides and spray bullets at their own people because they felt it too dangerous to attack the other side. Only the Israelis had the gumption to fight the other fighters instead of killing the innocent.

QParker

Will this do for starters?
http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/02/15/is-the-new-govern ment-in-washington-a-rogue-government/

And something to ruin your lunch posthumously;
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/gunlocks.htm

HELLO AGAIN, HAL
Your post at 3:05 PM
"Is that why all those other countires with anti-gun laws have a much lower per capita crime rate?"

THE ANSWER MY FRIEND IS: All these countries also have stronger law enforcement. Some European countries are almost a Police State. Having lived in Western and Eastern Europe for a total of 5 years I witnessed police authority that Americans would never tolerate in this country. I saw the French Gandarmes walking around the street carrying machine guns. I saw citizens of Germany treat policemen with a great deal of respect. Hunting laws are also very restrictive, you must belong to Hunting Clubs to hunt. No open ranges.
Eastern European countries have very strict laws, heavily enforced. One DWI results in license suspension for one year and a $2,000 fine, which is a lot considering the average income is $4,200 per year.

The Federal Police in Europe are given much more authority than our police. I don't believe they have to read any crooks or murderers their Miranda Rights.

In Turkey they can hold you in prison indefinitely without a trial. No phone calls from prison either and you or your family have to pay for your own food.

These are some of the American rights we conservatives want to protect and maintain. Hope you do too.

Response to MyOpine @ 15:38
The only time Hal Dunderhue tells anything resembling truth is when he states that he "may be wrong" (and invariably, he is) on an issue.

Last time he got anything right, it was a procedure involved in opening a bottle of alcohol--or maybe edging off the paint-can top so he could get buzzed from the fumes.

Merry
You can believe whatever you want. I can tell you one thing, I am not smart. I am just well read in Torah.

I'm sorry you think I'm vain. You probably are right, I can be arrogant. I'm working on that character flaw.

What I do know is that the Torah is true, I have immersed myself in the study of Torah.
I have seen so many corelations in Torah and my daily life, that it is not coincidental anymore.

Please, don't let me offend you. I am just a regular person, who loves Torah. I appologize if I have hurt you in any way. Believe it or not, I care.

I have learned amazing things about myself, my life, and my world as they are reflected in the Torah.

I hope no one thinks I'm a Mormon. I am not.




Come On Hal, Don't Be Coy

Speak up and tell us what "common sense" abuses of the Second Amendment do you favor?

MyOpine
I actually HAVE noticed that about the military and ex-military conservatives who post here at TownHall, that they don't exactly wear their credentials, honors, accomplishments, etc. even as considerable as they surely are for so many of them, on their sleeves. In fact, from what I've seen in the time I've been coming here, they really only volunteer their military record and exploits, pretty much, if talking between themselves about shared experiences in the military, or if some liberal challenges them about their credentials. In fact, I've noticed this is a trait the vast majority of the conservatives who come to this board, military or not, share, that they don't wear their credentials, honors, accomplishments, etc. on their sleeves and don't feel compelled to have to go into all the minutae about them.

The liberals who come here, on the other hand, wear their credentials, honors, accomplishments, etc. - assuming they're even telling the truth about them in the first place, which with very few exceptions I NEVER assume - openly on their sleeves and never miss a chance to boast about them and throw them in our faces.

Hal the habitual LIAR!

You have such an overpowering compulsion to lie that you even lied and said my link is bad.

Is clicking on a link too complex for your simple mind?

You proved to us long ago that you don't even know the meaning of personal honor.
You are simply a Leftist dupe who comes here trying to parrot Leftist policies you don't even know the logic behind.

A famous quote of Vladimir Lenin;
"To tell the truth is a petty bourgeois habit, whereas for us to lie is justified by our objectives"

You demonstrate that policy often here at TH.

Mary Hogan
My heart bleeds for you----- NOT! You demonstrate your vanity in your reply. You basically said that when I know what you know then I will be worthy of YOU! Of course you PRIDE yourself on your knowledge because you are so darn smart------- again VANITY. It comes in all forms dear. I don't give a damn if you are old, young, rich, poor, or anything else.


MyOpine
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 3:14 PM EST
Hal the habitual LIAR!

You were so intent on self grandiosity when posted that silly lie about both Israeli and Palestinian soldiers coming to cry in your arms that you could not see how it looked till you posted it."

Lie away old timer.

"...I think Gray Ghost is telling the truth.
You have never been closer to combat than a desk."

It was not combat. It was a massacre of helpless Muslims by Lebanese Christians. It had nothing to do with me so no "grandiosity"

"...TH is wall to wall combat veterans.
How many of us do you see boasting?"

I don't boast that was why it was well over a year before I said I as an AF aviator

Standshisground
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 3:11 PM EST
Hal Donahue
You said, "I don't lie".

Leave the comedy to people who are actually paid to do it for a living, okay?"

I do not

Hal the habitual LIAR!

You were so intent on self grandiosity when posted that silly lie about both Israeli and Palestinian soldiers coming to cry in your arms that you could not see how it looked till you posted it.

You only amended it later to one Israeli when you saw how ludicrous you look.

I think Gray Ghost is telling the truth.
You have never been closer to combat than a desk.

TH is wall to wall combat veterans.
How many of us do you see boasting?

QParker
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 3:08 PM EST
Hal, Glad Your Back!!


Going by the recent comments of the Attorney General it appears firearms confiscation is still a core principle of our new ruling elite."

Oh what did he say LOL


Hal Donahue
You said, "I don't lie".

Leave the comedy to people who are actually paid to do it for a living, okay?

Hal, Glad Your Back!!


Going by the recent comments of the Attorney General it appears firearms confiscation is still a core principle of our new ruling elite.

As a self described veteran patriot, who has sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, Are You, four square in favor of abrogating the Second Amendment in order to improve the power of the Democratic Party?


MyOpine
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 2:46 PM EST
We need a way to punish Gun Grabbers.

It has been proven redundantly that anti-gun laws actually increase crime."

Is that why all those other countries with them have much lower per capita crime rates?

"http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/firearms/control/ukutopi a.html"

bad link


Radio day
Have any topics to suggest?

MyOpine
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 2:26 PM EST
Hal ...While you are on the subject of "Liar";
... how both Israeli and Palestinian soldiers ran to cry in your arms."

See now you are telling lies also. LOL What is it with you conservatives? Geesh one Israeli soldier was upset but hey lie away

"...And tell us why we should believe you, a habitual liar, when you claim Gray Ghost is a liar?"

I don't lie

"( Such a uniform would be a real "WhatTheHelliZat?")"

actually it was a barely noticed difference

We need a way to punish Gun Grabbers.

It has been proven redundantly that anti-gun laws actually increase crime.

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/firearms/control/ukutopi a.html

The people who cause the extra violent crime by advocating anti-gun laws are aiding and abetting criminals and should be punished for the suffering and death they cause.

Criminals do not obey gun laws.
Our Courts have ruled that Gun Registration is a violation of a criminal's rights under the 5th Amendment.
You are not exempt though!

Sorry about typos and spelling
I am doing four thousand things at a time, right now. Kinda.

QParker
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 2:18 PM EST
Hal, Glad Your Back!!

We have gotten far afield discussing the history of the 1930’s. In order to return to the topic of the day, would you clarify for me why the Democratic Party is so hell bent to disarm the American People? "

It isn't unless they changed the platform. Guns are tools nothing else. Some restrictions based upon commonsense may well be called for like I may not have a thermo nuclear device in my basement to retaliate against possible aggression against my neighbor. This sounds like a good restriction at least in urban areas

Merry
Yep, all my faith is in Hashem. If you think this isn't a better warning that a Gog v Magog, then you are blind.

Vanity. I'm a poor old woman, who if you look me up, I own no car, no security blanket, in the stock market, and I am the caretaker of my mother, including ablutions. I you think there is any room for vanity there, have at it.

I am entitled to share what I believe as much as any one.

I have spent my life seeking God. From the time was was a child until now. I can you tell something, when you learn Hebrew and you can translate Torah you can see how you have been duped, so to speak.

I have nothing, I own nothing, and yet I have never been happier. So color me anyway you want. The is your perogative.

Liberals and Guns
Liberals hate the idea of you having guns, it makes it more dangerous for them when they inslave you and take your life savings and split up your family. All liberals are LIARS and THIEFS, they should be jailed or shot for treason. But no they run our country, its only been a month or so and already our country is totally buried under a mountain of debt. The great savior, WHERE, what a moron.

Correction to correction
>To set the record straight, children were not "basically kidnapped", they were removed by Child Protective Services to be sure there was no harm to them, it was not a Mormon compound, it was a sect group which forced underage girls to marry old men.<

Every single person in Utah understands that the Mormon fundies have pre-arranged marriages of young girls to older men.

Of course that isn't always the case. For the government to simply assume, sans evidence, that every teenage girl is forced to marry an older man, and then take every single child into state custody isn't tyranny, then I feel sorry for you.

Statutory rape laws and polygamy laws, like every other crime, provides for the state to investigate claims and prosecute in cases where evidence is solid.

It's never the government's position to collectively punish an entire group of people by taking their children away.

DCFS exists to protect children who are in danger because their providers are dug addicts or alcoholics, they aren't being properly fed, clothed or housed, or are being physically abused, none of which was the truth in this case.

In cases where girls have been forced to marry, it's the government's responsibility to target those cases on an individual basis and prosecute accordingly.

Hal The enemy Collaborator.

While you are on the subject of "Liar";

Tell us more about your experience wearing a British uniform with American rank & insignia while in Lebanon and how both Israeli and Palestinian soldiers ran to cry in your arms.

Tell us about being an NRA member who does not know NRA political policies.

Tell us about being in Law Enforcement and not knowing the link between Law Enforcement and the NRA.

And tell us why we should believe you, a habitual liar, when you claim Gray Ghost is a liar?

( Such a uniform would be a real "WhatTheHelliZat?")

Mary Hogan
It's apparent you spent your whole life in the NT! Guess you didn't read my earlier posts. Your VANITY is showing dear lady and Jesus would not approve. Are you somehow a "better" christian because you can quote the bible verse by verse? Do you realize that this is a political forum and not a religious one?

Of course your guns are registered! Because you know more about the bible than you do about your own constitution! You best hope and pray that heaven and God alone is all you need because your lack of general knowledge is frightening!

Hal, Glad Your Back!!

We have gotten far afield discussing the history of the 1930’s. In order to return to the topic of the day, would you clarify for me why the Democratic Party is so hell bent to disarm the American People?

Helen
You go girl. I'm with ya!!!

Gray Ghost
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 11:47 AM EST
Standshisground 11:30am
Even more laughable is the idea of Hal Doofus using "force of arms".

All my USAF sources say he was a "desk jockey", and a poor one at that. These sources include one brigader, 3 full "birds", and several LTC's."

LMAO You are a liar and your made up friends are too. I let you folks carry on and on but your Dad, or was it grand dad, would been ashamed of you insulting the service of another aviator. Me? I have come to expect cheap shots and lies out of you and your ilk

"...He even admitted this when he first started commenting at TH (See his posts from approximately 1-1/2 years ago. An email to TH will get the information on how to track his comments.)"

Please post right here and now. Why wait?

Merry Colin and Stan
Merry, my guns are registered.

Stand, please no NT for me. I know by heart and I spent all my life in it. So don't go there.

Having said that, Stand. The name Esther comes from Hester, which is relevant because Hester Ponim, it teaches how God Himself hides in nature, teva.

Out of the whole book of Esther, God's name is not mentioned once. He, God is a given, how beautiful is that?

I have spent many years in Megillas Esther, and I know nothing, nothing, nothing, and yet I have gleaned at least a thousand learnings.

It is beautiful, and with Purim coming, I realize the ultimate lesson of Esther, is that no matter how scary it gets, it is just a mask. We need to realize this, especially with the stock market crashing as we speak.

The lesson's of Esther, the so-called power of Haman, is what we are seeing in the stock market today.

We have played with God for too darn long, this is the wake up call. All the Ivy Leaguers will be exposed as the gas bags they are.

We may be headed for hard times, but all we have to do is believe.

QParker
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 10:41 AM EST
...I’ll bet on tens of thousands of Americans from fly over country that know how to call for fire, set an ambush, and build a bunker."

You know; I wager your state mates said the exact same thing round about 1860s

MerryColin
Thanks for the correction.

Reba
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 10:43 AM EST
HAL
Your post at 9:27.

Of course the government subsidized the growth of the United States with building of canals and railroad and forts, paid for by American taxpayers.
But I was talking about the gumption and determination of the American people to take risks, to work, create and develop new ideas, build and settle this country. They did this without the government paying for their medical, retirement, unemployment, affirmative action, education, no guarantees from the Federal government."

Actually they did make use of government healthcare etc where it was available. They created government to meet their needs

"...Do you really believe those 300 firemen in New York on 9-11 who were going up the stairs to rescue fellow Americans were liberals? Please conduct a survey with 300 current American firemen and get back to me, will you?"

My daughter-in-law is FDNY and I know not all are liberals but like most New Yorkers most are. But all New Yorkers did very well. Do not mistake us as weak.

Mr Giles Guns Gumption & God
You go for it & keep on telling it like it is. I've lived a long time on Gods green earth I do believe one should be able to hunt for food if necessary or defend him self & family from harm. And if we don't stand up & defend our rights to bear arms it can be taken from us as Americans. God Bless....

Reba
"No tyranny in this situation, just an effort to protect children."

Protecting children is the job of the parents and other family. Next, it may fall on the neighbor, the child's confidant, or doctor. HOWEVER IT IS NOT THE ROLE OF GUBMINT! Too many kids are abused today because people have no stones or no conscience and find it simpler to just call child WELFARE agents. Gubmint can't even get an "A" for effort! Just because their "heart may be in the right place" or their "intentions are well meaning" does not make their acts lawful, moral, or justified. A whole lot of wrong has been done in this world due to the good intentions of others; the list is endless. When you give gubmint an inch, it'll take a mile. All in all, most American children don't need the state's "protection" and therefore the laws and enormous sums of money spent on these "programs" is a huge waste that only serves to further erode the rights of children and their parents. No true constitutionalist would ever consent to these erosions of personal liberty by so many for the benefit of so few.

There is a beautiful and deep learning
Chizkiyahu, Hezekiah, Yehoshaphat, and David. Three battles, three styles.

Chizkiyahu went to bed and gave it all to Hashem, Yehoshaphat prayed and went to battle, and Dovid Ha Melech just BELIEVED!! and went to battle.

Note: this is why David was not allowed to build the Beis Ha Mikdash, the Temple. Think about that for a while.

Who, of the three was the most correct in his decision?

According to the Sages:

David

This is very deep, what we are discussing, we have just made it all insignificant in our way of transience.

I know I'm way out there and I am not trying to change people's belief systems. It is all cumulative, step by step. I am on about step 42 of a bizzillion step ladder to understanding.

Wherever we are, as long as we aren't on the decline is awesome.

We all need to ask Him, what to do. Don't depend on me. It is your relationship.

Mary Hogan
I wouldn't tell ANYONE on a public forum how many or what kind of guns I owned. Big brother is watching; I'm not paranoid either. I'm a realist and this country's gubmint is REAL scary today. Tho' I have no fear because "I walk in the valley...".

Mary Hogan
Don't forget also about what happened in the Book of Esther. After the Babylonian king Xerxes signed the decree that Haman had misled him into signing to kill the Jews living there in Persia, even after Haman's execution, since the king had put his seal on it, the decree could not be revoked, but Mordecai was able to get the king to issue a second decree allowing the Jews to arm themselves and to defend themselves against anyone who tried to carry out Xerxes' original decree.

Since the Book of Esther is as much Scriptural canon as any New Testament book, this to me is the definitive statement in the Bible that God does not have an issue with weapons being used in self-defense.

God, guns and gumption

You will need all three to fend of the evil leader. He has an army of worthless people who are as evil as he. Just look at the people he selects for positions within the government. The cheat, they steal, they lie and have black souls. Hang on you good people because evil has raised it ugly head.

PANCHO - CORRECTION
Your post #41,at 9:27AM: stating that "For instance, Texas authorities basically kidnapped every child from a Mormon compound based on a hoax phone call, a blantant example of governmental tyranny."

To set the record straight, children were not "basically kidnapped", they were removed by Child Protective Services to be sure there was no harm to them, it was not a Mormon compound, it was a sect group which forced underage girls to marry old men. It was questioned by the press as being a hoax phone call, but was actually made by a girl who escaped from the compound and she was kept secretive for her own protection.
Later all of the children were returned to their homes, the leader and some other men
have been tried and convicted of abuse to children.

No tyranny in this situation, just an effort to protect children. Please get your facts straight first, some people may believe your erroneous reporting. Are you part of MSNBC?

Foot note: There are several states now that are voting for State Sovereignty, Texas is one of them, Tennessee has already voted to pass the State Sovereignty Act and as many as 25 states are considering legistation this year for state Sovereignty. This act enforces the 10th Amendment which states that the Federal government can not impede the rights of states or it's citizesns.
The vast increase in the powers of the Federal government at the expense of the states, resulting from the incapacity of the states to deal with the complex problems of modern civilization, has led to renewed interest in states' rights. In the 1980s and 90s, states' rights proponents, under the banner of federalism or the New Federalism, attacked the great increase in federal government powers that had occurred since the New Deal.

Tea Party anyone? State's Rights anyone? Tax Revolt anyone? We'll do it through our individual states.

simian relic
It's HB 45! Write your representatives everyone! And call them too!

Anne
I don't have a gun collection, I have a 22 and a shotgun.

Hey, David had a sling shot, the Rabbis teach that the destination was spiritual, but the stone represented preparation.




For Eric: Why Liberals Hate Guns
Exactly. Spot on sir.

Dallas gun buyback.
Even Texas is not immune to the lunacy. The buyback had the usual results and will have no impact on crime. But I will tell you what will. DISD cut teachers and security. That will surely keep kids and staff safer. We barely miised HB 54. Google it. It calls for registration of all guns and ammo. Read my lips. Registration leads to confiscation. Ask Australia, Canada, and England. Don't do it. Not ever. I burned several hundred rounds this weekend at imaginary liberal politicians. Great stress reliever.

For Eric: Why Liberals Hate Guns

Socialists hate guns because their goals are untoward. They aspire towards the theft of your property and liberty and suspect you might resist if you are armed.

Cardinal and Stedes
I own guns and I hold the right to bear arms dear to my freedom.

Moses used a rod, a staff. This tells me that equipment, when not worshipped is very important.

Heck, Noah was the man who invented the plow.

Liberals want us ignorant and unarmed.

Mr. Giles is No Christian
What does believing God have to do with owning Guns?

This is not meant as criticism, but I really don't understand why someone who professes a belief in God can love guns so much. I mean love guns passionately and rightously. Rather than a neccessary evil for defense. It sounds hypocritical to me. And yes , a bit scarey. Love of God and Love of guns is a toxic combination, like drinking and driving.

Can you really imagine Jesus holding a gun? If you do then your thinkning is no differnt than the Mullahs in Iran or terrorists holding Guns. Your just one step away from violence in the name of God.

Also, why does Mr. Giles feel a need to proclaim his believe in God by knocking atheists? What is that about? Why the intolerance? Why does he care what they think? Most importantly, why does he have a need to broadcast his faith at all? I don't really care.

For a man who broadcasts his Christian convictions, he seems to lack them. I read rightouness, intolerance and anger in this article. Are these Christian attributes?

Mr. Giles is a Christian in name only, not in practice. He needs a spirtual renewal. People who bradcast thier faith the loudest are usually the ones to be most skeptical of.


Guns may make you feel safe...
...but the way you talk about them makes people nervous.

While I don't think gun ownership should be outlawed, the some people talk about them can make you think they just aren't thinking quite clearly about them.

Guns are weapons and are dangerous - even in the hands of the well-meaning.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people" - Yup - and that's why there's rules to separate some people from their guns - because they could end up killing someone.

Gray ghost
You're absolutely right about Hal in that he won't attack a fellow lib even when even HE recognizes that liberal is lying. If Hal were TRULY what he has claimed to be, he ought to be offended by someone else posing as a military officer REGARDLESS of what side of the political spectrum that poser is on - and call him on it. I have absolutely no doubt that the conservative military or ex-military posters who come to this site - such as yourself, Georgetwin, GunnyG, Curtal Friar, etc. - would absolutely not stomach a CONSERVATIVE poster to this site who claimed to be, or have been in, the military but whose postings revealed himself to be a fraud - and you folks would call him on it, period, again REGARDLESS of which side of the political spectrum he placed himself on.

In the last couple of weeks, the liberal ditz Chloe said on this site, "Blogs are bullcrap!".
Well, Hal Donahue has a blog, so I brought that comment up before him and invited him to take exception to it, given that Chloe made no exceptions or caveats to that comment and therefore would have been disparaging HIS blog as well as all the others. Hal declined.

And you're right about liberals finding lying perfectly acceptable. As MyOpine has reminded us, V.I. Lenin said, "Telling the truth is a conceit of the bourgeousie, while for us, lying is perfectly acceptable to achieve our goals".

Hal won't even defend HIMSELF against a brainless attack by a ditz like Chloe - and THIS is the very same person who would have us believe he would take up arms to stop a latter-day secession movement? HAH!

Pancho
"Does the 2nd amendment give these Mormons the right to use guns to retrieve their children from the government? "

YEP! In fact, it doesn't "give" the right--it protects it. RIGHTS are ours by virtue of our birth! Get it? Ever hear of inalienable---it means you cannot give those rights away even if you wanted to! DUH! Further, a right thinking, uncowering, unintimidated parent would have used their guns to keep their children from being taken in the first place. I'll bet few (if any) of those parents had guns to begin with. That is their children's loss. Government wouldn't begin to even THINK about rounding up Roman Catholic kids from a church where it has been proven that sexual assault has taken place by "men of the cloth". Government depends on the public unpopularity of the group involved before they attempt this kind of crap. Kinda like a Waco---you remember that dontcha? The government went there to take their guns. Ever hear of Ruby Ridge? You simply don't have a clue. You cannot be a parent either. When the sh*t hits the fan darlin' you are going to be begging those who believe in God, have gumption, and own guns to save your sorry a**. Sure as hell wouldn't be me!

And, MARY HOGAN, if that ain't Christian enough for ya', tough! You can use your Bible as your sheild for all the good it'll do ya'! People like you make me want to puke. I'm not impressed with your biblical knowledge OR YOUR VANITY related to that knowledge. This is today lady. You need to read something else once in a while; why not start with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand? Ooops----she's an aethiest therefore you would be one to discount everything and anything she has to say no matter how well reasoned. Isn't that just like a narrow-minded bible thumper. BTW, you have NO right to assail anyone's Christianity. Just who the hell do you think you are? Go found a church or something and waste no more of our time on TH.

The Chofetz Chaim
The Chofetz Chaim spent his lifetime understanding speech, and in particula Loshon Hara, Evil speech.

Gossip is deadly. It is not "Oh come on its fun," It is deadly. Every word that we speak is a dart shot from the tongue. We can never retrieve it, once it is gone it is not ours anymore.

If you can imagine the multiplication of a thought said, through a population, imagine a virus.

You paint what you view as innocuos pictures of other people. Don't do this in front of your children or you will be painting them in a horrid corner.

This article is all about a person's assumption that words are meaningless. They are not!!

Watch what you write, Dough Giles, and you will become a happy man who has the ability to change the world.

Here is how I learned it.
There is a Sar, a spiritual entity for every nation. When you see a nation like Greece, Egypt and Rome go down, you know their Sar has been defeated.

What Ronald Reagan did, via Chernobyl or what ever (The Chernobyler Rav was amazing) this an answer to Seth's question about why leave the Jewish People alone, it is very deep, but what Ronald Reagan did spiritually, with his humility, was injure the Sar of Russia. In other words, the "battle" is a court case.

Unfortunately, because we have become a base people, the Sar of Russia is coming back.

911, the Sar of America was deeply wounded, let's hope not mortally, but Obama and the ilk will not help our situation at all. Dabbling with marriage is complete suicidal.

There is a spiritual world going on. Think about imagination, really think about it. Understand the difference between a gorilla and man and concentrate on imagination.

This is why words, are things and should be carefully used.

Standshisground 12:17pm
I don't think that Hal Doofus actually believes Ranger29.

Instead, Hal recognizes a fellow Liberal and won't attack him. And since to Liberals, lying is acceptable (The end result is the important thing, not the means), Hal sees no problems with Ranger29.

No one, and I mean no one, who has any military experience believes Ranger29. (As an example, with the list of job positions that he has claimed, he would have to be over 100 years old.)

Personally Ronald Reagan
had to be to higher degree than normal, spiritual man. He was an actor (ego central) and came out humble. Kinda like Joseph, but not Jewish. He was a great role model, for us all. It assures us that the Torah is alive and well. We even have an ezample in his son Absalom, I mean Ronnie Jr.

He changed the world, why? Because he drew the spiritual forces needed to change the world.

Bush was a facade, he was as spritual as a sychophant loves his provider. No offense George. You did some good things, EXCEPT THE ROADMAP!!!!!!

nice
I love shooing! I don't know why liberals are so afraid of guns. Apparently they think every gun owner is a gangsta ready for some drive by's. It's just like when you say the name Jesus. They get all red, start shouting and calling you names and you get nowhere in a conversation. Chicago's gun laws sure are working out aren't they. More murders than in Iraq! Also paintballing is a blast. Had some really fun summers growing up playing in forests and fields. Good times.

Anne
I don't enjoy my frankness, but Doug Giles needs to moderate himself. It is so important.

We all need to grow up to some degree.

To say that I love God a lot, is an understatement to the trillionth degree.

We, the True Republican's have a base of honor, dignity and morality very far from "let it rip" mentality of the Democrats. We have to remember that, because when we stand up for Truth, we have a whole lot of spiritual help unrecognizable by the Ivy League set.


Gray Ghost
I'm fully prepared to take your word for it about Hal Donahue's true career in the USAF (if indeed he actually WAS in the USAF: other conservative military or ex-military posters on this site have serious doubts even about THAT), because it's totally consistent with what I've seen mentioned in reference to him by many other posters here who are in a position to be in the know, as you are.

Believe me, I'm not willing to take Hal's word for ANYTHING he posts on this site at face value, least of all his military record; he probably believes Ranger29 is totally truthful about HIS claimed military credentials. In fact, Ranger29 is such an inveterate liar that I don't even READ his posts, much less RESPOND to them.

When did this happen?
>When we are attacked now by terrorists, the enemy carries fully-automatic, AK47’s - brought into the United States by the embassies and UN delegations of terrorist countries - real assault rifles used by the enemy military.<

I missed these incidents. Could you direct me to these news stories where enemy militaries have attacked us with fully-automatic AK-47s?

And which embassies and UN delegations of terrorist countries, specifically, are you speaking of?

when it comes to guns...
Ron (PA): You raise an important point concerning our society's approach to self-defense (individually and collectively). I found Stephen Halbrook's "The Founders' Second Amendment" a good read, packed with subject background, context and references. Much has changed and may be passé (e.g., founding fathers' fear of a standing army), but the ability for citizens to confront tyranny is germane today.

Pancho
I'll tell you where the second amendment says we can overthrow our tyrannical leaders...

"The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution:"

THIS IS THE PREAMBLE TO THE FIRST TEN AMENDMENTS. Notice that the amendments are "declarative and restrictive"? That means they take FIRST position over ANYTHING in the constitution. And for those like you who don't know it, the "bill of rights" is actually a Bill of Protections. It protects people FROM the power of government. BTW-- the Supreme Court doesn't get to decide anything other than what is enumerated in the constitution. Because they have assumed powers that are not vested in them does not make their rulings legitimate. The day I depend on SCOTUS for my liberty is the day I ought to take my gun and shoot myself. At least death would be quick!


Who decides?
>The phrase about abolishing a tyranical government comes from the Declaration of Independance, I believe. We the People decide when a government is tyranical!<

The DOC involved breaking away from government control across an ocean, which was no longer representative.

If "We the People" decide when a government is tyrannical, can we agree that the Confederate States decided that the government had become tyrannical, thereby justifying secession?

So who decides when the level of government tyranny rises to the level where the need for armed insurrection is necessary?

I submit that "We the People" aren't anywhere close to a popular movement of armed insurrection.

Doug Giles can profess how much he loves his guns, but is he prepared to hit the streets mowing down....mowing down...who, exactly?


>Therefore, when times get tough, I’m going to not only lean on heaven’s everlasting arms and cuddle my firearms like a teddy bear<

There's a big difference between cuddling your firearms and using them for purposes other than shooting moose, who don't fire back.

Standshisground 11:30am
Even more laughable is the idea of Hal Doofus using "force of arms".

All my USAF sources say he was a "desk jockey", and a poor one at that. These sources include one brigader, 3 full "birds", and several LTC's.

He even admitted this when he first started commenting at TH (See his posts from approximately 1-1/2 years ago. An email to TH will get the information on how to track his comments.)

Militia
Some people say that the Militia part of the Second Amendment of the Constitution refers only to flintlock rifles because that was all that was available at the time the Constitution was written. These people are incorrect, because at the time when our Militiamen had flintlocks, that is what the enemy had as state-of-the-art weapons.

When we are attacked now by terrorists, the enemy carries fully-automatic, AK47’s - brought into the United States by the embassies and UN delegations of terrorist countries - real assault rifles used by the enemy military. Since our Militiamen are expected to stop the enemy with their own weapons, because the Regulars are not on the scene yet and the Militiamen are, our Militiamen should own weapons that are the equivalent of the enemy’s – State-0f-The-Art. Our Militiamen, law-abiding adult Americans, should all have fully-automatic personal weapons constantly accessible to them, just as the Swiss Militiamen do.

This is what our Founding Fathers require for us in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. The Federal Firearms Act of 1934, and all other laws prohibiting our Militiamen from having state-of-the-art weapons are unconstitutional.

Sgt Relic
states: Why do the leftists here think that only the right side of the ship of state is on fire?

Because they live without grace. Only those who place their trust in God have been enlightened and comforted by God's grace. Jesus spent 40 days in the desert "among the wild beasts." Today those of us who are Christians are still living Jesus' life "among the wild beasts."

MH
"What Giles never bothered to learn is that his words are far more than gas, they are deadly darts. According to what I've learned, they actually create spiritual entites, called mazikim. The uglier the word, the more deadly the product"

MH, sorry, you lost me with your stated belief that words can create spiritual entities, little demons, if you will. This latter concept is pure Jewish mysticism.
In regards to your criticism of Giles for his irreverent language, aren't you being a little too legalistic?

packrat
You are exactly right

Gray Ghost
Yeah, it IS pretty laughable that liberals would actually fight to save the Union by force of arms!

As I've said before on this site, from what I'VE seen of liberals, about the only thing they'd just MIGHT fight for with deadly force is if someone tried to take away from them their bong and their stash!

Hal Doofus Rants Again 10:40am
"Not at all. The Constitution is a contract sealed in blood. You may leave but our land stays - nonnegotiable"

So let me get this straight "tough guy", you and the Liberals are going to stop it, if and when it happens?

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

This is too funny. Hal Doofus (who never was a pilot, who was nothing more than a "desk jockey", who claims he is "Deadeye Dick" with any weapon, etc.) is going to pick up his arms and fight?!?

Please continue Doofus. I need some more laughter than morning. Doofus (who has p*ssed in his pants from fear more times than he will admit) is going to be Rambo?

This I have got to see. Hal Doofus thinks he is Rambo. Doofus you would be lucky to be Elmer Fudd.

2 corrections
I know it is "too" and the word "jacking" before color me goofy.

Hey, someone has got to be an adult here. This is 6th grade language used by adults. This is the major problem with our society. Every wants to be a kid. There is no room for this when speaking of Ha Kodesh Baruch Hu, the Holy One Blessed is He.

That is the beauty of free speech.

G, G, & G
Pancho: (#69 & 71) The phrase about abolishing a tyranical government comes from the Declaration of Independance, I believe. We the People decide when a government is tyranical!
O'Dumbo, in only a short time in office has already let the Islamists know just how much longer they'll have to wait until the US leaves Iraq. He's also promised to close our terrorist holding facility, in Cuba, without a CLUE as to what to do with the remaining terrorists! (imprison them here? release them?)
O'Dumbo said in one of his autobiograhies (co-authered with a domestic terrorist) that when things got rough, he'd side with the muslims. He certainly seems to be doing exactly that, to the detriment of our country! Then think about how detrimental his economic policies (the Porkulus Bill, financing abortions across the world, his delusion that OUR wealth needs to be re-distributed, all during a Dhimmi-created recession/depression) are to our country!!! He seems to be determined to crash our economy or put us SO far in debt to communist China that they'll all but OWN us! (or both!) YES, in an incredibly short time, O'Dumbo has shown the American People just how dangerous one person can be! (I must admit, though, it was a shrewd move to get CONGRESS to write the Porkulus Bill. That way he has plausable deniability when it destroys our economy! Princess Pee-Lousi and Harry the Red got SUCKERED big time!)

Ad Hal Donahue. (Part 3)
What happened in the 80's which you believe was an example of going too far in regards to the relationship between politics and religion?

This article is to repulsive for me to
on. Shame on you pastor giles. One of the reason that David became the progenitor of Moshiach, and perhaps Moshiach Himself, was because of his care of his flock. He knew what each lamb needed, and he never poisoned the well.

HAL
Your post at 9:27.

Of course the government subsidized the growth of the United States with building of canals and railroad and forts, paid for by American taxpayers.
But I was talking about the gumption and determination of the American people to take risks, to work, create and develop new ideas, build and settle this country. They did this without the government paying for their medical, retirement, unemployment, affirmative action, education, no guarantees from the Federal government.

Do you really believe those 300 firemen in New York on 9-11 who were going up the stairs to rescue fellow Americans were liberals? Please conduct a survey with 300 current American firemen and get back to me, will you?




Seth continued
Giles said: He’s shaking everything that can be shaken. Therefore, I wanna be on His team. Call me goofy.

MH: This disgusts me, and if it doesn't disgust you, well what can I say. I call Giles something far more dangerous than goofy. That is a euphemism.

Just the audacity of using yud kay vav kay in this article is desecretion of the most heinous kind. I try not to use the word, God much less the ineffable Name.

Giles: Unless I’m reading my Bible wrong, I keep getting the message that if I fully follow God (as much as a goofy sinner can) then He will send wicked favor my way that He doesn’t afford to the pagan cattle.

MH: This proves that he never understood Jonah and Ninevah. Which speaks volumes about his "Bible" education.

Giles: If God exists, and if the Bible isn’t an insane stack of slush

MH: just the use of the word "if" is terrible dangerous. It takes years and years and character building after character building to understand choice and faith, bechira and Emunah.

Abraham knew Noah, they were contemporaries. It took him 99 years to reach that level of character to have Yitzchak. Faith is not squeeze to believe, it is faithfulness through thick and thin, not guns thank you very much. It is hard!!! It is painful!!! And it is the most beautiful state a person can realize in this world.

To be continued

Actually Hal,
The Italians and the Condor Legion did not ultimately put Franco in power, they just put him in power sooner. It seems that lawyers, university professors, and union brothers are not so red (pardon the pun) hot in the conducting of warfare. So Hal, you stick with Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and Robert Dodd. I’ll bet on tens of thousands of Americans from fly over country that know how to call for fire, set an ambush, and build a bunker.

Also, not one Weavers Album? How about Peter, Paul, and Mary?

Standshisground 10:23
"There are plenty in this country who are sympathetic to dissolution of the Union in the wake of Obama's election - yet over the months you have adamantly denied the right of any in this country to secede from the Union. If, say, in a year, the overwhelming majority of the population of the states that were part of the old Confederacy were in favor of secession, and were joined by states in the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain west, wouldn't your denial of THEIR right to secede be a violation of your pious statement about not imposing one's beliefs on others through government?"

Not at all. The Constitution is a contract sealed in blood. You may leave but our land stays - nonnegotiable

Always guaranteed to bring out...
...the trolls. Just mention one of these subjects, much less all three, and you can count on a big comment count. I see I'm too late to read Wobbies scribblings.

Why do the leftists here think that only the right side of the ship of state is on fire?

Communist Sympathizers.
Communists come in many forms..fascists,Marxists,socialists,collectivists,etc..Many different stages of that horrible way of life.

We have always had communists and communist sympathizers McCarthy rooted some of them out in the sixties. He was reviled and tormented for it. He died,as a result,but communism lived.

Not many today will admit they are communists,and maybe they are not that radical....yet. We sure do have many who believe in the different 'stages' of it. They are called 'Progressive Democrats'.

Before some of you attack ME for saying it,look at what you believe and deny it. It is easier to kill the messenger than to admit the message,isn't it?

Seth
Giles said: three things that have never let me down, namely God, guns and gumption

MH: AS if two of these three things were little gods of their own. Many people have had gumption and guns, but when their time was up, their time was up.

I will not go into the Council of Nicea and Giles saying he has "them" as God. Just using "them" is a desecration of God's omnipotence.

Giles uses Yiddish, shvitz, sweat, hooker and church with no sense of dignity. Just to be cute.

Words like "pissy" and "wanks" have no place in a discussion about God. The word in Hebrew for word, is "dvar" which also means "thing." At Sinai they saw the words. What Giles never bothered to learn is that his words are far more than gas, they are deadly darts. According to what I've learned, they actually create spiritual entites, called mazikim. The uglier the word, the more deadly the product.

Giles said: Anyway, I know it’s not cool to like God and His word, but I still like Him. This is good for me, seeing that He can arrange my death and where my soul will take its eternal siesta.

MH: I love Him. Giles is irreverent beyond belief here. It is not something that should be taught, especially by someone professing to be a pastor. It is not cool at all.

to be continued


Seth
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 10:11 AM EST
Ad Hal Donahue. (Part 2)
The problem with Christians trying to vote according to what is best "for all of us as a whole" is that even when Christians do so, they catch flak and are castigated for trying to shove their beliefs down others' throats. "

That happens to everyone because what we believe affects how we act to some extent. Until the mid 80s it seemed to work quite well

Hal Donahue
You said of Christians, "Do not try and force your beliefs on others through government".

A point I've stated to you over and over again on this site: laws and culture reflect SOMEONE'S value system. Why have we who don't belong to, or share the values of, violent street gangs managed to impose OUR values upon THEM by telling them it's illegal to run drugs, to kill rival gang members, etc.? Because somewhere along the way, OUR value system triumphed over, and was imposed on, THEM.

By the way, there are plenty of Muslims in this country who want Sharia law as the governing force here in the U.S.? So why are we who DON'T want it - the overwhelming majority of the population - telling THEM that they can't have it, and therefore imposing OUR beliefs on them? Again, because there has been a contest of value systems, and theirs lost out. What do you have to say to Muslims who are unhappy because they feel that non-Muslims have imposed on THEM their non-Muslim beliefs through government?

By the way, do you realize your hypocrisy in the statement of yours I quoted? There are plenty in this country who are sympathetic to dissolution of the Union in the wake of Obama's election - yet over the months you have adamantly denied the right of any in this country to secede from the Union. If, say, in a year, the overwhelming majority of the population of the states that were part of the old Confederacy were in favor of secession, and were joined by states in the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain west, wouldn't your denial of THEIR right to secede be a violation of your pious statement about not imposing one's beliefs on others through government?

Seth
I will respond after I get my mom's breakfast. I didn't respond faster because I had to get my mom up and I had to call the vet for my dog.

brb

QParker LMAO
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 10:00 AM EST
Oh Come On Hal
Our posts and responses paint a subtle picture of who we are. ...In my experience if you want to get a real response from an old 50’s, 60’s, ACP kook, just mention the Spanish Civil War..."

Want me make it even clearer? Here is who I am: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue
My daughter-in-law's grandfather fought in that war. So I know a bit and I flew a lot in Spain during Franco's time. He was a fascist who Hitler put in power.

"...So Hal, relax, munch Metamucil Bar, put on your favorite Weavers album, and reminisce about the horrible injustice done to Julius and Ethel. "

You are off by a whole generation LOL

Ad Mary Hogan.
Two questions: how does Giles desecrate Scripture? Why should Christians refrain from preaching to anyone--including Jewish folks?

Ad Hal Donahue. (Part 2)
The problem with Christians trying to vote according to what is best "for all of us as a whole" is that even when Christians do so, they catch flak and are castigated for trying to shove their beliefs down others' throats. Further, Christians aren't utilitarians, and even utilitarian ethics don't end up being of any use when it comes to making political decisions.

Anne
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 9:43 AM EST
...The fact is, it was NOT a govt. handout because the land did NOT belong to the govt. to begin with.,,"

LOL the government sold the land and by the way divided it up

God, Guns & Gumption
Thanx Mr Giles! A well thought out article that reflect many of my own views.
Ti: (#14 & 15) I took that oath also and I don't recall ever being released of it either. 34 years & counting.... Were you at our recent Tea Party, in Lansing? I was the vet in the wheelchair. If you're ever in the Jackson area, stop by for a cuppa and some paper-punchin'!
Roy: (#16 & 30) Rush won't be leading the Second American Revolution, we have WAY too many retired (and active-duty) military officers available. -be forgiven and go to heaven no matter how you act- Nope, you're revealing your ignorance of the Scriptures, by trying to push this off as the truth! As Seth pointed out, the Bible says in several places -faith, without works, is dead-. You must not only believe in Christ, and the God who sent Him, but your actions must reflect that faith. Read 1 John, chapter 11, verses 11 thru 24 to undertand the difference (in God's eyes) between professing something and BELIEVING something.
Doug: (#20) Even though we (Christians) ARE the majority, (85% according to multiple polls) look at how our religious freedoms have been eroded over the last 40 years. School prayer: BANNED, public displays of Christianity: BANNED, governmental threats (tax exempt status) against churchs, if they advocate their flocks vote their Chrisian consciences, etc. We feel we're under attack, by the secular world, because we ARE under attack! But our Bible told us this would be the case, 2,000 years ago!

Oh Come On Hal
Our posts and responses paint a subtle picture of who we are. For a while I have been trying understand you. At first it appeared that you were a paid union brother who trolled here to disrupt the opposition, or maybe a GLBT activist fighting for normalization, but your response this morning spilled the beans. In my experience if you want to get a real response from an old 50’s, 60’s, ACP kook, just mention the Spanish Civil War. So Hal, relax, munch Metamucil Bar, put on your favorite Weavers album, and reminisce about the horrible injustice done to Julius and Ethel.

Seth
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 9:27 AM EST
Ad Hal Donahue.
I am curious: how is a Christian supposed to keep their Christianity out of politics and/or the public square?"

just vote what is best for all of us as a whole. Do not try and force your beliefs on others through government.

Seth and Reality
Please, do not preach to the Jewish People. We, the world need the Jews to remain Jews. Very important.


Seth, I am not a Christian but
you need to keep it in the public square, because the beauty of the Christian is the dedication to the Bible. Everytime a Christian refers to the Torah, the Bible, the Tanakh, it elevates him and the people around him.

When desicrates it, like Giles is doing in this article, he brings God down to the level of the current day belief system.

Keep preaching, what you know, but be an example, not a panderer.

doofass still doesn't get it!

"Right from the very beginning opening the west WAS a government program and in many cases near handout."

Obviously the history books that doofass read were either comic books, OR one of the many history books written my leftists, that are riddled with ERRORS!! ERRORS!! ERRORS!!

The fact is, it was NOT a govt. handout because the land did NOT belong to the govt. to begin with.

What the "govt" provided was a way for the settlers to "claim" their land and legally RECORD it.


Tea Party and other Conservatives
From your comment I think you would enjoy http://www.noleftturnz.com. The author and commentators are all like minded. Liberals are not allowed, fairness doctrine , you know. GOD Bless the USA. Join the NRA and keep America safe!!!

QParker
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 9:04 AM EST
Hal, What Are You So Nervous About?
The American Military is only about 69.5% working and middle class white. You think they might remember who has been ill using them for the last forty years? "

Yes they may well. That is why I worry for you conservatives. I happen to have been one of those working/middle class white guys and I know them well.

That's true
>your question about where are the SCOTUS rulings about the 2nd Amendment giving us the right to abolish the govt. if it gets to be too tyrannical is a non sequiter.<

To a point. SCOTUS job is to interpret the Constitution in areas where it isn't black and white, and no amendment is more open to interpretation than the 2nd.

But who makes the determination of what is too tyrannical?

For instance, Texas authorities basically kidnapped every child from a Mormon compound based on a hoax phone call, a blatant example og government tyranny.

Does the 2nd amendment give these Mormons the right to use guns to retrieve their children from the government?

Ad Hal Donahue.
I am curious: how is a Christian supposed to keep their Christianity out of politics and/or the public square?

Reba
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 9:00 AM EST
HAL
I know that you just post here just to stir the pot. But, you need to go back and re-read the last part of Doug Giles's article. Gumption is what it took to clear the land, build the forts, build the railroads, fight a civil war, build the factories, ride a covered wagon for three months to the west, to survive in hostile lands, all without handouts from the government."

Ahhh see here is where you are wrong. Right from the very beginning opening the west WAS a government program and in many cases near handout. Read some history books on the settlement of the west during Washington's administration. The Erie canal was built with state oversight and money. The forts when development really started was federal money. The transcontinental railroad was built with LOTS of government oversight and caveats i.e. only steel rails made in Pennsylvania could be used to build the railroad

"...Faith, a Smith and Wesson and determination was the armour of our ancestors..."

Actually weapons early on were more axes etc than guns which were extremely expensive. Faith was but which version of Christianity if it was Christianity then there were the Mormons and Jews..

"...I haven't met many liberals in today's world who have the gumption or determination to survive in rough times or rough terrain. They expect the government to take care of them from cradle to grave."

Hmmm did I see that on 9/11? All those liberal new Yorkers seemed to do quite well thank you. You very much underestimate liberals and moderates. Why?

"Do you?"

I have both gumption or determination to survive in rough times or rough terrain and I have LOL

inevitable
Jesus will soon arise to destroy his enemies. And that will be more fun to watch than Michelle Kwan winning the Olympic Gold Medal.

Pancho: Evidence "that this admin. is

weak on national defense?"

Have YOU been paying attention?

1. Bozo has SAID numerous times that he was going to CUT national defense SPENDING!

2. Bozo appointed Panetta to head the CIA, and in case you weren't aware, Panetta has absolutely NO background or experience in national security or intel.



And sorry, the REALITY IS, if you're a demo, you absolutely ARE a demo-Socialist.

What's truly scary is that the dems don't even know they're Socialists!


Words from a fellow Socialist:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Uh oh!




Pancho: Evidence "that this admin. is

weak on national defense?"

Have YOU been paying attention?

1. Bozo has SAID numerous times that he was going to CUT national defense SPENDING!

2. Bozo appointed Panetta to head the CIA, and in case you weren't aware, Panetta has absolutely NO background or experience in national security or intel.



And sorry, the REALITY IS, if you're a demo, you absolutely ARE a demo-Socialist.

What's truly scary is that the dems don't even know they're Socialists!


Words from a fellow Socialist:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Uh oh!




One other thing
Giles, the "Pastor" said: Nope, I’m fixing my hopes in the coming nightmare on God, guns and gumption. That’s my stimulus package. What’s yours?

MH: God Himself. I'm well versed in Hezekiah, and Esther, and Dovid Ha Melech, David the King.

Hezekiah said to Senncheriv II Chronicles/Divrei Hayamim 32:8

David to Goliath

Esther to Achasverosh and Haman and I could go on and on.


Giles said:
"If God exists, and if the Bible isn’t an insane stack of slush and superstition, I can rest assured that as God met Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s needs He will handle my affairs if I’m busy with His business"

MH: Just the word "if" is deadly.

He did meet Abraham, but there were a few tests of famine along the way. Giles makes it sound easy, it was not!!!! There was the "kings" challenge, and the Paraoh and Abimalech challenge and a little thing calle the Akeidah.
Don't tell me that if you write with abandon, and call this "His" work, you are on easy street.


"busy with his business?" "His" business is not admixture of truth and contemporary vulgarity."

I am sorry if I offend.

I'd like to go head to head with Giles and the Torah, and I guarantee, just from this article, that he hasn't got a chance.


ANOTHER SCARY BILL: HR45
THIS one will take away ALL your guns! AND allow your home or car to be searched at anytime--AND if any "unregistered" guns are found, you are automatically fined and imprisoned! Basically--it will make it illegal to own any rifle with a clip or any pistol--unless you jump through all kinds of hoops!

Google "Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009" OR just HR45.
You will be VERY alarmed!

If you have ever had any desire to target practice, hunt, protect your family--you need to consider contacting your Congressmen to STOP THIS!

By the way, Pancho..
It's not SCOTUS's job to determine whether the Constitution is constitutional; it's their job to determine whether OTHER laws are within the bounds set by the Constitution. Therefore, your question about where are the SCOTUS rulings about the 2nd Amendment giving us the right to abolish the govt. if it gets to be too tyrannical is a non sequiter.

Lynne & Teaparty, et al: Exactly!

Also check "Dems Against Obama"

http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/home.html

And the signers on the petitions to force Bozo to come clean are growing and growing and growing and growing!

No matter how much the dem-Socialists want to deny it, this issue is NOT going away!



Hal, What Are You So Nervous About?
The American Military is only about 69.5% working and middle class white. You think they might remember who has been ill using them for the last forty years?

Anne & Highlander
I would stay far, far away from that seminary.

Words are spiritual things that you can't just fling at will.

I don't care what you all say, there is no "them" when it comes to God.

Remember, political correctness is not my bag.

He reminds me of an out of touch Rev Wright. Reading this article was very painful to my soul. I love God more than anything, and this disrespectful use of words cut to the quick.

I love ya all, and I try my best to temper my convictions, but I couldn't do it here.

Doug Is My Kinda Guy
Doug, my sentiments, precisely! I love ya, dude (in a manly kinda way, of course; "Mongo Straight!")

DDoutel

Where's the evidence?
>Did you demo-socialists say the same thing when Pres. Bush fixed the national security problems that the 9-11 Commission revealed, and as a result, STOPPED 19 al qaeda terrorist attacks?<

Not a demo-socialist.

You changed the subject.

Where's the evidence, in 6 weeks, that this administration is weak on national defense?

It's an empty, hallow statement, sort of like what's between your ears.

HAL
I know that you just post here just to stir the pot. But, you need to go back and re-read the last part of Doug Giles's article. Gumption is what it took to clear the land, build the forts, build the railroads, fight a civil war, build the factories, ride a covered wagon for three months to the west, to survive in hostile lands, all without handouts from the government.

Faith, a Smith and Wesson and determination was the armour of our ancestors. I haven't met many liberals in today's world who have the gumption or determination to survive in rough times or rough terrain. They expect the government to take care of them from cradle to grave.

Do you?


Is that a quote?
>the 2nd amendment.. gives us the people the power to get rid of the govt when they become too tyranical<

Where in the 2nd amendment are the words "get rid of the government" or "too tyrannical?"

Can you point to a Supreme Court ruling that supports your analysis?

TO: Teaparty & conservatives here:
You people are STILL lying down or hunkering down and intending to endure 4 years!
You do NOT have to! WRITE SCOTUS! DEMAND that they hear at least one of the myrid of "natural-born citizen" lawsuits before them.
BO held a meeting with 8 of them, just after his Coronation--obviously to warn them to NOT hear any of them!
IF SCOTUS ever hears them--deposes witnesses, examines evidence, and questions defendants--they MUST come to the conclusion that he is NOT ELIGIBLE! SCOTUS must vote, and then write WHY they voted that way! These are historical documents then--and set precedents!
Instead of simply handing over to SCOTUS his long-form Birth Certificate that he could have obtained in Hawaii while vacationing--for a few bucks--he has chosen to engage 3 law FIRMS to keep all information out of the hands of EVERYONE! What does that tell you?
WRITE SCOTUS--every week--and DEMAND that they do their job, instead of refusing to hear any of these. Refusing to hear means they don't want to have to make a public decision.
WHEN they finally do their job--and BO is ousted; ALL his thieving cabinet AND all bills he has signed into law (including HR1) become NULL AND VOID!
We can start over with a cleaner slate, MUCH less government control, AND lots of good lessons learned under a dictatorship...
SHALL WE?? Go to: http://www.obamacrimes.com look to your left side of the home page for format, address and names for SCOTUS.
We CAN get him out...and we must or the US as it has been for 200 years will cease to exist.

Pancho! Oh pa-lease!!! You and doofass

need to get a grip!

Did you demo-socialists say the same thing when Pres. Bush fixed the national security problems that the 9-11 Commission revealed, and as a result, STOPPED 19 al qaeda terrorist attacks?

Nope!

And what do you mean "getting to the point where people will say anything, whether there's support for statements or not, and readers will accept it without question."

Each and every Bozo follower did EXACTLY that! How else do you explain following and voting for someone you knew NOTHING about, except what he wanted you to know, or more importantly, didn't let you know what he didn't WANT you to know! HA!


guns
the 2nd amendment is to make sure that the govt has to pay attention to the other 9,it gives us the people the power to get rid of the govt when they become too tyranical

weak on national defense?
How is it possible, after six weeks of an administration and no immediate threats to our security during that time, to make such an analysis?

It's getting to the point where people will say anything, whether there's support for statements or not, and readers will accept it without question.

The Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff both lauded Obama yesterday for his approach to national defense.

Don't you think they may know a little bit more on the subject than Doug Giles?

Typical doofass: Having a temper tantrum

first thing in the morning... LMAO!

Yup, that's exactly what the polls are saying! LOL Look at the TRENDS! LMAO

"Nah it is the same divisiveness that served us so badly the past eight years."

Ah ha! So you do ADMIT that your demo-Socialist party WAS divisive! Thank you! :-) LOL

What? Stop the "socialist" nonsense? LMAO! :-)
Actually, your demo-Socialist party is getting more and more TEXT BOOK Socialist every day! LMAO.

Don't you recall your Maxine Waters told the oil company execs. that "they"... the demo-Socialist party, would LOVE to nationalize their companies? doofass, doofass, doofass, THAT'S what Socialist DO! LMAO

And, doofass, I'll put up MY INTELLECT and MY EDUCATION against yours any day. LOL HA HA LMAO!

And, "false gods - guns. How silly to worship tools."

That ol' "comprehension" problem is still there, isn't it? LMAO! Does your wife have to open up the box of cereal for you, since you obviously don't have the ability to reason or comprehend the directions... "Lift tab."


QParker LMAO
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 8:11 AM EST
The Bone In The Throat......
..of the socialist totalitarian is private firearms ownership. This nation could be headed to an event resembling 1930’s Spain where intellectuals and the social riff raff attempted to push the country into slavery. "

The only riff raff I see is you. You are obviously uneducated to say this country is heading into socialism. You lose an election and start talking revolt - sick. Careful what you ask for the last time your state turned traitor things did not go too well for you

"...The municipal police sided with the left wing leadership and engaged in the murder and oppression property owners, the religious, and conservatives in general. The murders and incarceration continued until the Army stepped in and full civil war erupted."

And a generation of fascism, torture and nasty christianity ensued. This was a good thing? Tell the rest of the story and how Hitler intervened... Come on why only tell part of the story?

"...In 21st century America it will take a period of social unrest before the US military takes the field and restores order."

I hope to God you are wrong but if not the military will make certain that you filth don't try it again. The military is and continues to support the constitution you so clearly denigrate

"...Given the total disconnect between the American left and the Armed forces it is doubtful the outcome will favor the socialists. ..."

Really? the military was divided equally between Obama and McCain. The military will support the constitution.

"...Gun owners will provide the friction needed to give the military time to sort itself out and enter the fray..."

Nah you see the right seems incapable of causing revolutions it takes too much belief in and sacrifice for the common good. Stop reading all those NRA comic books LMAO

Anne
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 8:06 AM EST
spent TWO YEARS doing research on the subject of "survival" and found regardless of one's belief prior to a life threatening situation, the one common thread that each and every survivor had was a belief in GOD."

Well he did pick the subjects didn't he LOL? I am a survivor and I know plenty of survivors for whom god was not a player but an expletive

Mary Hogan: Uh, actually Giles DOES

read the Bible.. a LOT! He's a MINISTER, and graduate of Knox Theological Seminary.

Mary Hogan OH Mar 2, 2009 - 8:10 AM EST

Where did that come from?

Are you attacking the messenger, rather than attacking the message? That's a socialist ploy.

I don't think you meant to do that.

Did you?

Anne
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 7:46 AM EST
I KNEW this had to be a GREAT column,

if ONLY because ,,,,' subject was "Doug - You Failed."

And NO, Giles' "whole divisive BS" has NOT been completely rejected by the American people!

As a matter of fact, it was NOT rejected by approximately 48% of the American people... and that number is GROWING!!! :-)"

Do keep believing that Anne avoid the streets, polls and neutral websites LMAO

"...Divisive? No, only if you honestly call what the lunatic libs did for eight years during the Bush admin. "divisive." THEN you might have a point."

Nah it is the same divisiveness that served us so badly the past eight years. I an surprised he didn't mention gays too LOL

"...But then, the entire demo-Socialist party is beginning to come ungluded now that the GOP is pulling itself together."

Oh stop the "socialist" nonsense it just displays your complete ignorance and lack of education. Oh yes the GOP is coming together under limbawl so now we know the GOP won't hit 30% next election and is doomed to be a small regional party made up of mostly bitter old white guys

"...And, don't forget that pesky old amendment... what is it again?.... Oh yeah!!!... The Second Amendment,...Read it and weep demo-Socialists! :-)..."

conservatives false gods - guns. How silly to worship tools

The Bone In The Throat......
..of the socialist totalitarian is private firearms ownership. This nation could be headed to an event resembling 1930’s Spain where intellectuals and the social riff raff attempted to push the country into slavery. The municipal police sided with the left wing leadership and engaged in the murder and oppression property owners, the religious, and conservatives in general. The murders and incarceration continued until the Army stepped in and full civil war erupted.

In 21st century America it will take a period of social unrest before the US military takes the field and restores order. Given the total disconnect between the American left and the Armed forces it is doubtful the outcome will favor the socialists. Gun owners will provide the friction needed to give the military time to sort itself out and enter the fray.

You don't "read" the Bible, you
You study it until you find out that you know noting.

This article is disgusting blaspheme, rife with corrupted ego, and ignorance.

I will never read you again. This is slime. I know you could care less, who cares if you care less.

You act like a liberal, a libertine who thinks he can do and say whatever he pleases.

I pity you Giles, I pity you.

These intellectually limited libs...

have made it very obvious that they all have a reading and comprehension PROBLEM... a BIG PROBLEM.

However, if they COULD read and if they COULD comprehend, an excellent book is, "The Survivors Club: The Secrets and Science that Could Save Your Life" by Robert Sherwood.

Sherwood spent TWO YEARS doing research on the subject of "survival" and found regardless of one's belief prior to a life threatening situation, the one common thread that each and every survivor had was a belief in GOD.

Remember that ol' saying, "There are no atheists in fox holes?" Probably something to it! :-)

And that's probably why the demo-Socialists are dumbing down all curriculums in schools... no tests, etc., 'cause they know, as long as there are tests in school, students WILL be PRAYING! :-)





Big breasted government
Got to remember that one...it was toooo perfect.

with three gods you need guns.
Read carefully what you said, you said "them".

You count on three gods, I count on one. The God of Abraham, Yitzchak, Yaakov, David, Solomon, Joseph, Sarah, Chanah, Rachel, Esther, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Moses, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Hezekiah, and so on and so forth.

I'm sure this will never be posted.

Hal, Hal, Hal...

There you go again. You do love a good argument, don't you.

I love your spirit, but I find I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that your public POV has been wrong and that you are really a closet conservative.

Come out, Hal! Come out!

jerabaub

one other thing is clear, there are plenty of bitter people on the other side from him.

Is this satire, roy?

"and don't try to tell me they didn't have them during ww2. i saw colonel klink wearing one in hogans heroes"

OMG, a TV comedy as reference material, say you were kidding.

I KNEW this had to be a GREAT column,

if ONLY because doofass' subject was "Doug - You Failed."

And NO, Giles' "whole divisive BS" has NOT been completely rejected by the American people!

As a matter of fact, it was NOT rejected by approximately 48% of the American people... and that number is GROWING!!! :-)

Divisive? No, only if you honestly call what the lunatic libs did for eight years during the Bush admin. "divisive." THEN you might have a point.

But then, the entire demo-Socialist party is beginning to come ungluded now that the GOP is pulling itself together.

And, don't forget that pesky old amendment... what is it again?.... Oh yeah!!!... The Second Amendment,

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Read it and weep demo-Socialists! :-)




Reba
"Date: Mar 2, 2009 - 7:29 AM EST
NOT GOOFY, DOUG GILES
You have said here what many Americans are saying across this land. If the first arrivals on our shores had not believed in God, Guns and Gumption, none of us would be here today having this discussion."

Really? Didn't they start killing each other over which christian belief was correct? Didn't they burn people or hang them or something for being heretics etc? Far more than guns was it not our hard working people, slave and free, who walked west, built farms, factories, mines etc who built this country?

"...Though not perfect, I love American the way she is and I don't want anymore of their kind of change..."

That is the definition of conservative - against change. Guess what? Too late we decided on change and progress rather than continued conservative stagnation and decay


NOT GOOFY, DOUG GILES
You have said here what many Americans are saying across this land. If the first arrivals on our shores had not believed in God, Guns and Gumption, none of us would be here today having this discussion.

I am not ready to give up the USA to the likes of the selfish, atheist, big spending, nanny loving socialist of Obama, Pelosi and Reid.
Though not perfect, I love American the way she is and I don't want anymore of their kind of change.

Thanks Doug, keep standing up for America.

Doug - You Failed
"...Therefore, when times get tough, I’m going to not only lean on heaven’s everlasting arms and cuddle my firearms like a teddy bear, but I’m also going to start working my aspen off like never before.."

Your whole divisive BS is completely rejected by the American people. Keep your christianity to yourself and out of politics. Take your silly guns and use them all you like legally. Guns are tools nothing else yet you raise them as a false god. Work? By all means it certainly is about time you worked

Great article Doug

Sure brought out the angst from the socialist readers.

Good job!

BTW, you Obama followers really need to grow up and get a life - your own life.


Right to own guns?
I don't care how many guns we might own, when the SWAT team is at your front door, demanding you surrender all weapons, you will. Because they will be willing to shoot you and anyone in your home who refuses their order.

We are about to be ended as a free nation, Obama is leading us to total bankruptcy, and our banks will close, our government will tell us they do not have the money to replace what we lose in the banks they close.

While the government has told us our deposits are insured, what do you do when the government tells us, they can no longer honor that agreement?

Do you actually trust our government? What are you smoking or drinking? It must be pretty good stuff if you do not see what is happening in our nation. Wake up Americans, you only have the money in your pocket that you can trust. Now suppose our government tells us our current Federal Reserve Bills are no longer legal tender? IF you had elected Don Cordell as your president, we would be on the road to restoring our manufacturing, and Restoring our nation.

one thing is clear.
Giles is one bitter dude.

The funny thing is....
As the idiotic O followers pine for change and hope, the hundreds of trillions Nancy and Harry and the democrat lying Congress spends - GO TO THE BIGSHOT CORPORATE WHORES they lie in bed with.
A few crumbs, maybe another 40 or 80 billion will be sent out to the average losers who worshipped their foreign illegal alien on voting day, and thereafter.
Other than the tiny trickledown, outdoing "the failed trickledown Reaganomics" by a hundredfold, the new demolib economics the bailout have initiated will kiss corporate bottom till the deranged libtard believers innards curdle in pain and panic...but I doubt even then the truth will be known to them.
Instead, their x-file minds will assume not the Dana Scully half, Queequeg of the x-files, but the Fox Mulder mindset mantra - and all the secret government agents against them, will "still be the evil republicans".
So sorry, libtards, your insane demo leadership has kissed the backside of the corporate demons so securely, they have created a hermetic seal between our tax dollar pockets, their lips, and the corporate cornhole.
You have truly outdone the republicans beyond anyone's wildest imagination, and no doubt, not a single one of you, with your communist infiltrated, emobot mind, can ever admit it.
Yes, libtards, you are, PATHETIC.

Stearman
Good morning

I don't recognize your nickname. From your patient and civil reply to Tabitha, i'd guess you were a seldom visitor anyway. I admit every once in a while i try to engage in a reasonable discussion with one of the trolls. The results are not worth the effort.

Tabitha
Yes, there are millions of liberals who work in this country and pay taxes just like conservatives do. However, your comment "i can guanantee that i have more money than you and your redneck family will ever dream of. i give at least a quarter to charity. guess what?" comes off as very elitist and a narcissist. If you give at least a quarter to charity, then I commend you. However, I seriously doubt that is the case. Giving to charity tends to humble a person. To give that much to charity, you would have to be looking outside yourself a tremendous amount. Your post makes it sound like you are so stuck on yourself and your riches that it would be totally against your character to contribute much of anything to charity. Try reading the book Who Really Cares. It was written by someone who expected to find that liberals matched their words with charitable giving and volunteering. However, the data kept proving just the opposite is true - and that was true even after factoring in for income level, age, geographic location, and gender. One other note: it is conservatives who speak out against porn and are trying to limit its spread. It is liberals who keep advocating for it and allowing it to spread. That sort of shoots down your last comment. In addition, your poor grammar and spelling make me think you are not nearly as rich as you would have us believe.

tabitha
in all honesty i only look at porn online for the articles.

Correction
The Universal Seduction article is under today's Latest Articles,Mar.1st.

Seth
you 8:17 post re: atheists..my theor is that those who are truly atheists don't care what we believe or do regarding our beliefs, whereas
the God Haters do care and hate us and Him because "He's not the boss of me." Look at all the trolls who go out of their way to mock God and believers..our job is to tell, and if they refuse it, it's not our fault..they have free will.
I've been working on another theory..anyone
ever study the Pharoah in Exodus? And compare the 9 plagues, one pastor has said each plague
correlates with one or more of the Egyptian gods, and one was given human sacrifices. Each time God warned Pharoah and gave him a chance to repent and relent and each time Pharoah told
God 'you aren't the boss of me', and we know the rest of the story. Fast forward to today,
we see the One worshiped as a tin god and him accepting it; he's pushing the envelope on human sacrifice with his edicts and now nomination of Sebilius/Tiller..in just these few weeks I've counted at least 7 times he's shaken his fist in Gods face.. I wonder?????

"UH-OH!!!!!"
Please go to the website Universal Seduction and read this!!!!!..."U.S. Gives China Eminent Domain Over U.S. Property" (2-28-09)It's not looking good,folks.

Katz
Remeber, the main motivation for the elected king/queenlets now genuflecting before their tin-go of Hope and Change is they hope their
job isn't changed by the voters. They may be
cheering O on, but back of their minds, they have to be worried (all except the insane, drug
fried, LSD trippers who are in leadership) because the polls are tanking. We have to keep
a drumbeat of opposition, calls, letters, emails, faxes..daily if necessary. I've been told for every one they recieve they count a least 1500 likeminded folks who don't contact them. And the more tea parties the better because even with 200 to 600 people on a work day, that's a lot when you factor in that 1500 number and they are growing. And I don't believe a lot of the democrat rank in file that's not the looney left base that bought the party aren't happy either..many of them are just democrats because Daddy was but they love their God, their Guns and they have Gumption also if they are pushed. O and his cabal haven't realized AMERICANS don't push easily.
And I'm not talking about the NOLA types that couldn't get out of their own way with out the
Big Daddy State telling where when or how.
And have you all noticed there are stories
poo pooing the Birth Certificate questions so that's probably getting more traction than we know. They'd ignore it if it wasn't. And another thing we can do, is talk to people, my husband and I talked to three people who didn't have any idea how bad it was and they were people who were against O to begin with. Talk to people whenever you strike up a conversation, in shops, church, job whereever.
One thing I do is talk a tad louder when in a restaurant..not so loud the world stares at me, but just enough so a nearby table will overhear.
Never can tell, sow the seeds of doubt where ever you can about the whole agenda.

Ad Roy.
I have yet to meet an atheist who believes in the devil; hence, I doubt any of them would claim that a being they don't believe in somehow forced them to do something.

I don't know of any Christian persons or truly orthodox denominations that believe that one can do whatever they want during life, and then claim the name of Christ as though it is some kind of "get out of Hell free" card. In point of fact: the book of James makes it clear that faith without actions are as empty as actions without faith.

curmugeon
i already told you slick its from neither. it was invented by the prussian military in 1842.

roy from illinois
your ignorance is showing. the spike helmet is from ww1, not ww2. but what can be expected by a liberal from illiois? the ww2 german helmet is the one copied by the us army.

seth
i have yet to meet an atheist who said the devil made me do it though. and whats with this baloney that you will be forgiven and go to heaven no matter how you act in life as long as you accept christ. yet someone who is a truly good person who doesn't is condemned to hell for eternity? doesn't sound right to me. i think i'll take my chances. i don't want to be anywhere near jerry falwell,ted haggard, jimmy swaggert or david koresh. but thanks anyway. oh thanks husker. i knew you'd appreciate it.

roy from IL
You wrote: "ok i agree to study more history if you agree to get spell check or a dictionary."

I love your satire! Someone who can't hit a shift key or punctuate correctly chiding someone about spell check! Great humor!

Amen, Brother
God: Ditto.
Guns: Ditto.
Gumption: Ditto.

Those who disagree and want to live in a socialist or communist nation should GO try it out (please!) before destroying our nation. There are plenty of places to choose from. Think of it as a working vacation. Oh, I forgot... you don't like to work. Well, think of it as a "pass go and collect $200" card.

Then, when you realize that socialism and communism do not work, and your hope and change is not the utopia you've been promised, and you become a shell of a person because you are no longer allowed to think or do for yourself... Perhaps, you'll reconsider your misplaced faith and realize the value of liberty.

Until you've "been there, done that" and actually know what it's like, do us all a favor and stop whining.

Ad Jack.
When did anyone prove that the Bible is "chock full of things we know to be wrong"? Where does Scripture talk about the sky as a "crystal dome"? I'm guessing--so correct me if I'm wrong--that the talking snake you mention is the serpent from Genesis, and the talking donkey is said to have rode in the book of Numbers. Not to mention that people can't survive in the belly of a whale and that stars can't fall from the sky?

Further, regarding atheists: those who are logically consistent about their non-belief do essentially worship themselves. At the end of the day, atheists have declared--whether implicitly or explicitly--that there is are no higher moral or ethical authorities in the world than themselves. Simply turning to "other things" still doesn't get around the fact that--at the end of the day--the hypothetical atheist is still the one making the decision to turn to those things, whatever they may be. If anything, they are trying to abdicate the very moral responsibility that they claimed the moment they chose to be an atheist. Indeed, claiming humility because you don't explicitly claim to know the Truth--and the corollary that everyone else who doesn't know said Truth is wrong--is disingenuous at best, and absurd at worst. In point of fact: you do exactly that when you claim that those who do claim to know the Truth are not humble because this implies that you are the arbiter of what defines humility.