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Saturday, November 29, 2008
Doug Giles :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Global Warming Goons Want Your Little Ones
by Doug Giles
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I bet Jim Jones is tooling around hell right now green with envy over the mind manipulation the global warming greenies are wielding upon our culture.

We’ve got green jobs, green cars, green dogs, green houses, green toilet paper and environmentally friendly green condoms. Everything now must become green or it is gone, mama. I’m sure Kermit the frog, iguanas, the Grinch, the Creature from the Black Lagoon and Gumby are seriously ticked off regarding the liberal alarmists’ hysterical hijacking of the color they have previously owned, loved and profited from for so many years.

I’m an oil painter, and as an artist I, naturally, love colors—all kinds of colors—but not anymore. Because of the global warming alarmists, as of right now, I officially hate the color green (nothing personal, green). I’m just sick of hearing about you. You are everywhere. It’s that whole overexposure thing . . . that Kathie Lee Gifford, incessant yacking about Cody and Cassidy mind numbing malaise that just the mention of your name now spawns.

Because of the sick amount of cash involved, both sides of the political aisle have drunk so much of the Global Warming Kool-Aid that they are peeing green, and if we the sheeple don’t lock step to these unhinged fascist demands then we’re the devil, Bobby Boucher.

There are several things that get me heated up over the global warmers’ hyperventilated horse smack. It’s stuff like:

- The specious science the global warblers put forth which establishes truth not by facts but through non-stop repetition.

- How the taxpayer dollar is floating this flotsam to the tune of $6 billion a year. That’s more than we send to the National Cancer Institute and to AIDS research.

- The Gestapoesque censorship of “dissenters” and “deniers” of the global warming “facts” by the greenies. God help you if you don’t parrot their apocalyptic projections. If you don’t believe me, just ask the “climate criminals” NASA chief Michael Griffin and NYT bestselling author Christopher Horner. Yep, if science is your field and you don’t inhale what the alarmists are trying to sell then you are SOL regarding a J-O-B.

- Actors in Hollywood who won’t hump a tree and trade in their H2 for a Huffy might as well slap a Bush/Cheney sticker on their truck and drive back to wherever the heck they hail from.

- College students who dare to question their panic-stricken prof’s apocalyptic predictions will endure more scorn than a nice old Christian lady holding a Styrofoam cross at a gay activist rally.

- Everything is now being blamed on global warming from summer frost in Africa, freezing penguin chicks, poorly rising bread dough, impoverished fashion houses and the recent economic downturn suffered by Bulgarian whorehouses.

- The MSM’s obvious omission of the fact that birds, fleas, and trees crank out more CO2 than humans. Hey, MSM greenie weenie, a cow’s tailpipe puts out more pollutants than a BMW’s. How are you going to guilt trip the flora and fauna into following you? They don’t watch your morning “news” or Hollywood’s stupid Leo DeCaprio and Al Gore end of the world fear flicks. How are you going to get them to step and fetch?

- Congress is currently deliberating whether or not they should make “environment literacy training” a required course for your kids before they get to graduate.

Which brings me to the main point of this column and that which really ticks me off about the green freaks: namely, how they’re after our kids with their gospel of green.

Here’s the rationale behind their brainwashing our young ‘uns: A lot of thinking adults (as in the multiple millions) think that the greenies are pretty much off their rocker. Since the greenies can’t have us arrested (yet), they have decided to get their agenda going via our children, primarily through the agency of the public school system.

Yep, if they can get little kids who still eat their boogers to believe in their boogie man then they will morph into half-pint climate nags who will be an emotional guilt tripping Disney-fueled pain in the butt to the parents who are destroying the earth by not using low flow toilets.

Our kids are being hammered with green hysteria from K through 12. Yep, on a regular basis they are spoon fed apocalyptic children’s books meant to scare the crap out of them and paint the F-150 father as a bad, bad man. In addition, many schools force the kids to view chunky butt, hypocrite extraordinaire Al Gore’s daft film and do chants and life pledges to save the earth. The global warmers are serious as a heart attack about making our children “Inconvenient Youths, veritable eco-warriors who will go after their parents for environmental offenses.”

To help you help yourself and yours steer clear from these terra firma fascists, NYT bestselling author Christopher Horner has penned a new book that is must for those who do not wish to be gang tackled by the green gang. In Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed, Horner reveals how the greenies are about to go into overdrive, forcing new legislation, killing our weak economy, squelching our freedoms, and quashing all dissenting opinion about the causes and effects of climate change.

He has a particularly freaky chapter on how the greenies are gunning for our children, indoctrinating them to the extent that they blame their own parents for the “warming globe.” This heavily footnoted book body slams the global warming alarmists and their junk science. Get one for yourself and your kids and become a “climate criminal” with me!

Since gas prices are now plummeting, I’m off to the Ford dealership. I’m thinking about ordering their spankin’ new pickup truck, the 2009 Ford F-666 Global Warmer, with the El Diablo package. Varooom!

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Doug Giles’ new book “If You're Going Through Hell, Keep Going!" is now available. Ann Coulter says "Doug Giles is a substantive and funny tour de force for traditional values.” Doug’s talk show and video blog can be seen and heard at www.ClashRadio.com.
 
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GREENIE GHOULS
As a PhD trained scientist in the environmental sciences, I am repeatedly hammered for my "ignorance" etc by my psychology major son and other members of my family. Strong language is needed by us "nerdy" types to combat the rants of the greenie ants. Close to the style of Jonathan Swift (who caustically attacked the abortionists of his time), keep on writing Mr. Giles. I'm green with envy at your writing (oooops).

Inthemajority
Hey, Hal Dumahue AKA Inthemajority, you still have your head up your backside, just like all your other political BS, please get your head out of your A** and come up with something original, instead of parroting the party line that you braindead non-thinkers still spout.

Want GLOBAL WARMING NOW!!
I for one encourange GW and want it now, no delays. a 200 foot rise in sea levels would go along way to fix what ails this planet. Sharks and crabs would eat well on the dead, new reefs would be created in the now submerged cities. Canada would become an exporting agricultural nation. Siberia might dry out enough to actually take advantage of the resources there. and what would be the cost? the loss; a few million citified parasites, that don't do naught but complain anyway.

al gore has a lawn mower muffler!
al gore has a 5,000 lawn mower muffler that he wants every home owner to be forced to buy!him and al sharpton and rangel will split the money!

Union autoworkers....
...overwhelmingly support politicians that consistantly vote "no" on drilling for the very fuel that powers the cars and trucks they build. Of course, the result is that the price for gas stays high, and people don't buy their products.

Figure that one out.

Green...
my a$$. The only green I want to hear about, think about or see is the green pieces of paper in my wallet and the green color (hopefully) of my lawn (that I fertilize with nasty chemicals and cut with my smoky old lawn mower).

Hey, give this a shot!
Home school, home school, home school.

Enuff, zealot! What for?

Well, as Giles writes in his column, the Environmentalist Freaks want to do an end run around you and indoctrinate your children, and they are doing it -- to very great effect -- through the statist government school system.

That system is the means these statist/socialist/secularist busybodies, thugs, goons and good-for-nothings always use to push whatever their poisonous agenda happens to be: environmentalist mythology, approval of homosexual behavior, destruction of the American family, abolishment of the U.S. Constitution, ruination of the economy, you name it. Just plant the evil seed inside the kids.

Because such is the case, the thing to do is to destroy the statist government school system, and the way to do that is to keep your children out of it -- or pull them out of it right now if they are already in. Educate them yourselves, or form or join co-operative structures that will do it for you and with you, under your own God-given authority.

This government is no longer good for anything but to be taken apart and trashed. And this goes for its key agency: the school system. Why? Because these politicians long ago ceased to serve the people and now think they are our masters. No good.

Of course, there will be a backlash, but neither the politicians nor their partners in prostitution -- the teachers' unions -- will be able to fight off a revolution from a majority of citizens. All we need is the guts to do it.

Home school, home school, home school.

Why not try this?
Home school, home school, home school.

It works.

Here's what you do
Home school, home school, home school.

extremism
It seems these days no matter what topic arises, there are those who feel they must carry it to the extreme. When it comes to thinking about the global warming issue, true or not, our main focus should lie in simply conserving that which we are already fortunate enough to have without abusing the earth that we live on. Common sense would tell you that if you don't take care of what you have, you WILL lose it regardless of what it is. So think of the impact of your personal actions on a small amount of your immediate environment. What effect will it have on your family & friends in the future?

Doug
Great collum, I could not agree more. I still drive my F-350, V-10, 11.5 mpg truck. I just have a hard time putting 1000 to 2000 lbs in a hybread. This group of leftests are the most dangerous. I just made my older kids read, and my youngest has not yet been infected. Keep up the good work, and I will check out the book.
Kirk

Weren't we already supposed to be there?
Didn't the first Global Warming alarmists believe that we'd already be under water by now because the ice caps melted? Since that's no closer to happening now than it was in 1983, they keep revising their statement of when and how bad it will be. Never mind that the "authority" on all things Global Warming, the UN's Intergovernmental Pannel on Climate Change (IPCC) is predicting a rise of a whopping 18 inches in average sea levels. That's less than the difference between Spring and Neap tides in many areas.

WHAT "concensus"?
The concensus of 1,121 money grubbing GRANT WHORES or the 31 THOUSAND real scientists who work quietly well out of the public eye who signed a letter proclaiming that Global Warming and all other climate change was a function of varying solar output and NOT CAUSE BY HUMAN ACTIVITY?

If you accept the latter then you HAVE to shut down the whole green energy movement because the logical conclusion is that we didn't cause it so we can't stop it.

THAT will not play well with the activists.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

A
Now, I am just a simple guy, so please help me out here. Just how did that ancient man get under that glacier? Did he dig a hole down into the glacier, and cover himself up later? Or, and I really have a hard time on this one, was there no glacier there when he was walking about, because the globe was warmer then?

How did a glacier form after the poor man died? What caused the global cooling to occur then? Did all the trees grow so much and so rapidly that all the CO2 was sucked out of the sky? Would that cause the global cooling and lead to glaciers in the Alps?

Help me out here, warming alarmists. I truly seek your input and wisdom. Feel free to consult the other scientists of great wisdom, and yall create your consensus, then let me know.

Perhaps there are others who would like to hear your answers.

Roger E. Sowell

R -- not so
R wrote: "Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. Thus, the total amount of energy available in the Universe is constant."

This is true on a small scale, such as absorbing heat from a flame into an object. But the first law was written before nuclear fission or fusion was discovered, and thus is no longer valid to that extent.

And, stars by the billions (as Sagan said) are nuclear fusion reactors, converting matter (mostly hydrogen) to energy. The energy in the universe is therefore increasing.

And for the warming alarmists, please answer a few easy questions for me.

Scientists insist that Yosemite valley was carved by a glacier many thousands of years ago. Then, the glacier retreated and melted away. How did that glacier appear? Was it cold in what would one day become California? Why was it so cold? And, for how long?

Next, how did that glacier melt? Did it warm up or something? Did cavemen build too many bonfires, or what?

Next, we recently (well, not my friends and me, but somebody in Europe) found a human body high up in the Alps, apparently he was a hunter/gatherer who died up there. His body had been covered over by a glacier, I believe.


(more next post)

Roger E. Sowell


al gore is the gas!
the greenie dudes want the big money!

Global Warming And Global Control
Drudge has a link that says any nation that doesn't adhere to the Global Warming dictates will go before the International Court. They mean business!!

In Augusta,Ga this month,the temperature dipped to eighteen degrees,the lowest ever recorded for the date. It has been at least ten degress colder than normal all of November.

The name of the game is control.

Primus54
That's dandy. I like it.

Probably many think we are on some sort of knife edge of perfection, and to slip off it is doom in ice or doom in steam. A better analogy is a valley where the mean oscillates between the valley walls modestly. Earth has been relatively stable (and warmer, btw) for some hundreds of millions of years. Given the calamities in that period of time, I can't see how paltry industrialization is going to be the one thing that tips the balance.

Cheers.

Answer one question...

I cannot count the number of times I've gotten into a heated discussion with AGW enthusiasts like "johninoregon" or "inthemajority" which usually goes nowhere because they use the old "scientific consensus" ploy.

I finally found a question to ask them that usually stops them in their tracks and cause them to resemble a "deer in the headlights".

Just ask them what the "perfect" temperature is supposed to be - who determined it - and how.

SuperNova
We're all gonna die!!!!!!!

CO2 is a natural element
Let us not forget that CO2 is natural element. And, as the 1st law of Thermodynamics states: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. Thus, the total amount of energy available in the Universe is constant.

Hoot Al and his gang need to stop making CO2 out to be such a enviro-meeny! It has it's place in the natural order of things.

Younger y Wrat Wrangler... Gracias
Younger
Location: UT
Reply # 122
Date: Nov 30, 2008 - 7:09 PM EST Soli Deo Gloria

To God only is the glory--we give glory to God alone and not to ourselves.


Wrat Wrangler
Location: NY
Reply # 123
Date: Nov 30, 2008 - 7:52 PM EST Subject:

Thanks my Utah brother!!
I have taken to using the motto from my coat of arms. It's a simple one:
a shield with a helmet on top and the device is a fig tree which is also the source of my family name. Seems my progenitor was a Templar Knight who planted one of our family's fig trees at the Sepulchre in the Third Crusade.

I understand he was then chopped into falafel by the Saracen defenders. Good thing he left a pregnant girlfriend behind, eh?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

~~~

Thank you both!


To God only is the glory--we give glory to God alone and not to ourselves.



To that, I can only add, AMEN, Brothers !

~~~

Does this translate to "Glory to The One God" ?

I find that my own translation was not too far off the mark, and retains much of the meaning, of your much better phrase!

Again, I Thank you both!


Old Rat, Ret.



Thanks my Utah brother!!
I have taken to using the motto from my coat of arms. It's a simple one:
a shield with a helmet on top and the device is a fig tree which is also the source of my family name. Seems my progenitor was a Templar Knight who planted one of our family's fig trees at the Sepulchre in the Third Crusade.

I understand he was then chopped into falafel by the Saracen defenders. Good thing he left a pregnant girlfriend behind, eh?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Soli Deo Gloria
To God only is the glory--we give glory to God alone and not to ourselves.

Wrat Wrangler


Location: NY
Reply # 101
Date: Nov 30, 2008 - 3:23 PM EST Subject: They are WATERMELONS!!!!
Green on the outside and RED on the inside. The whole thing REEKS of socialism and totalitarian control. How to best get your hands into the tax payers' pockets? Sell them on AGW snake oil and let THEM finance their own downfall.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

~~~

Kind Sir, Wrat Wrangler, Knight of The Realm, and 'All Around Good Guy',

The old Rat has a serious question.

My Latin is not that good nor polished. I was exposed to it in the Sixth grade whilst tutoring my Brother who was a Senior at the time. We were using 'Flash Cards', Latin only on his side, Latin and English on my side. From the tutoring, I was able to pass his tests with better grades than he got, but haven't used it much since.

As this was some 58 years ago, I apologize for my memory lapse.



The Question... You are using a sign off, " Soli Deo Gloria! ".

Does this translate to "Glory to The One God" ?


Rattas Americansis


Allerlei
Corndog, I know of a more labor intensive way of cutting grass (your comment at 7:08 yesterday evening). I do not know if they are still on the market or not, but when I was a boy, we had what we called a "lazy boy," and others called a "sling blade." It was strip of metal, sharpened on both edges and held in a handle so that as you swung it from side to side, you cut grass.

Al Gore, and others like him, are actually members of the Flat Earth Society--they refuse to acknowledge or consider facts that contradict their pet ideas; they are totally unscientific.

Has anyone seen any comment on the transportation used by the people who presented Mr. Gore with an award for his nonsense when they went to the awards meeting? Did they walk, ride bicycles, ride on or behind horses, mules, or donkeys? Or, were they hypocrites?

Solution #1
Take control of your own lives. Take your children out of public school and home school them. You control the curriculum, you deny the state its power in both dollars and the ability to propagandize the next generation, and your kids will actually learn to think on their own and not be force fed pablum.

Of course, solution #2 to augment solution #1 is to get rid of the TV.

The 70s Again
Eco preservation laws crafted in the 60s and 70s improved our environment considerably, and set us back a bit economically. Fair price to many.

A lot of these greenies running around a la chicken little weren't around in the 70s to see the mire and mess and appreciate how well we have it today. Our disasters ecologically are largely in the past.

Green-ism is mostly about saddling capitalism - the real objective. Many are just, well, useful idiots to the cause of the Watermelons of today.

Most scientists still peddle the Warming theory. And many do not. The balance is changing mostly because some facts are hard to bury, and as sociologist, pharmacists, and engineers start looking into the problem, they switch over. I mean to say that this set of scientists that comprise "most" are not all climatologists. They are out of field contributors to a cynical ploy to shackle a free people. Mostly out of misplaced worry.

These are people used to controlling their own local environment. Like libs, the idea that forces exist outside their control is most disturbing to them. Their own form of "evil."

inthemajority
inthemajority says: "Or does the fact that just about every real scientist disagree with just about every TH poster?"

I'll forgive you for the fact that this is not a complete sentence, inthemajority, if you will please explain how a "real scientist" differs from the many climate scientists who don't agree with the catastrophic man-made global warming scenario fantasized by Al Gore.

GLOBAL IDIOTS
THEY ARE BRAINWASHING OUR CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS THAT "EVERYTHING IS TIED TO GLOBAL WARMING. SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO PROVE THERE IS SUCH A THING AS GLOBAL WARMING EXISTS FIRST? WHEN IS THAT EARTHQUAKE GOING TO HIT SO CALIFORNIA SINKS INTO THE OCEAN. THAN WE GOT GLOBAL WARMING AND THOSE GREENIE MOVIE PEOPLE WILL BE IN FOR A BIT OF LIBERAL GLOBAL WARMING! THEY SCREAM ABOUT THE FIRES IN CALIFORNIA YET THEY WON'T ALLOW BRUSH TO BE CUT BECAUSE OF A JACKRABBIT OR TURTLE MAY BE HARMED. IDIOTS!

Re: Wayne & Chuck...

Wayne
Location: KS
Reply # 8
Date: Nov 29, 2008 - 6:04 PM EST Slav

The peoples of north-central Europe taken as slaves for many centuries before the first African was sent in bondage to the Western Hemisphere. Slavery in North America is but a small part of the storied evil known as "Slavery".

~~~
Wayne,

From your post I have to assume, you know the very word "Slave" comes from the enslavement of the 'Slavs' a tribe of people centered in the Balkans.


Old Rat, Ret.

~~~
~~~

Chuck
Location: ME
Reply # 42
Date: Nov 30, 2008 - 8:09 AM EST JD's Handsome Son
"My thoughts are in two parts to thwart the feeble attempts of TH censors to silence me. Fools."

Yeah, what IS it with that? Something is really curious about the censoring in TH.

~~~
Chuck,
The readers of TH requested this very deed in overwhelming majorities several months ago, in reponse to leftists, posting continuous 10,000 word essays of copy-paste tripe, on every column. Trust me, it is better this way.
One poster, often put up 15-20 pages of 5 to 10 K words of tripe on many columns.


Old Rat, Ret.

Ronaldoport
http://www.realclimate.org
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2005/0128energy_sandalow. aspx

More? Or does the fact that just about every real scientist disagree with just about every TH poster?

Michael Crichton is your go-to guy? Are you being serious?

Take That Back
Now, I agree with you that Al Gore is a hypocritical moron who likes to impose his obsessive green views on others (while flying in his private jet no less) but Leonardo Dicaprio, on the other hand, is not doing that. He is simply passionate about something, and unlike Gore, he doesn't act bitter or constantly indoctrinate kids into believing this global warming hysteria. So what if he made a documentary on it? Fact of the matter is, our planet IS warming, just not at such an alarming rate, and I don't think it's caused by humans. But it's still happening, I assure you.

Let me know what you think
http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/
http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/ClimateTimeMachine/climateTimeM achine.cfm

I'm having a problem finding anything that makes Cons look anything but silly when it comes to environmental issues. Since you seem to have problems understanding simple measurements, I'm going to have to assume you are simply ignoring or mistrusting basic science.

The Left excoriated Michael Crichton
...for his 2004 "non-"fiction novel, State of Fear, a techno-thriller about eco-terrorists who attempt mass murder to support their views.
He researched the science behind Global Warming and concluded that (surprise!) it was all about the money.... research grants, etc.
Interestingly, it may be that "going Green" may be the next big thing to get the economy going again, as consumers recognize that it's harder and harder to justify buying more stuff on credit (usually), but just might do so to "improve the environment."

Learn photosynthesis!!!
During the DAY plants absorb CO2 and at night they USE O2 (atmospheric oxygen) to process the food they manufacture by day. They put out more oxygen by day than they use at night which is why certain dimwits get confused.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Thermometers
Thermometer data does not show any increase in average temperatures plus or minus a degree. The charts just show up and down temperatures with the average temperature line in the middle with in a degree.

FairnessMan #102: I hear you! :-)

Every time the "greenie weenies" pi$$ me off, I just want to go out and fire up my Grand Cherokee... and drive a lot of miles to ... wherever...

Kind of like, every time a "peta" idiot sneaks on tv before I get a chance to change the channel, I get this overwhelming urge to buy something FUR! :-)

They forced me to buy a fur coat last year, but that's okay. It will keep me warm since we're already in a COOLING TREND!!! lol

DCR #92: Oh Puh-lease...You're citing

something (anything?) from Columbia U?

That's about as reliable as the wiki!!

And, there is NO WAY 90-95% of reputable scientists believe humanity is contributing significantly to global warming.

Just keep in mind that it's been the "warmies" who in the past few years have pushed to have those scientists who disagree with their AGW hoax lose their jobs, and degrees, not to mention more than a few death threats.

Anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would find it impossible to believe ANYTHING that those who use medieval, thug tactics against those who disagree.


I would STRONGLY URGE you to access this link..
(thank you to garryb, above!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

Trees giving off CO2?
Giles! Trees are an absorber, not an emitter of the so called "greenhouse gas," CO2. Other than that I thought your sardonic treatment of global warming gave the subject the attention it deserves. Unfortunately it looks like the joke is going to be on us. I watched a documentary last night about the 24 mile bridge across Lake Pontchartrain. Towards the end of the show the narrator revealed that this lake was formed by rising sea levels resulting from melting artic ice during a warming period some 5000 years ago. I guess it was all those nasty smokestacks belching CO2.

DCR
Again, the use of the word denier to try to paint people who disagree with you as advocating genocide. Its an attempt to imply that those who disagree with you should not be listened to. Is that really what you want to do?

And, the mistakes are adding up. The use of September data for October is not trivial. It is the kind of thing that should have been caught by the most elementary quality control. The mistakes in calculations that have forced Hansen away from his claim that 1998 (?) was the hottest year have been revised so that 1938 is now the hottest year. Those two mistakes together would have gotten him bounced out of my lab. There's also the confession that the night before they turned off the AC in the room where Hansen testified to Congress. This is supposed to be science not theatrics. Have you looked at the reports of temperature stations sitting in the middle of black top parking lots. How accurate do you think that is. Some reporter managed to ask Al Gore about that issue. He replied the people who took the pictures of faulty weather stations were, "..on Exon's payrole." If he had said something on the order of there are 2500 weather stations (I'm making that up) and the if 100 of them were bad and the temperature rise was off by 2 degrees, it would not make a statistical difference, I could have understood that. But he didn't, he tried to smear those who disagree. I really don't care about Al Gore's life style. But the number of his homes and his own energy use make me wonder how committed he really is to this. It all adds up to make me deeply skeptical.

There's JFK jr. telling us how prosperous Iceland is since they gave up coal and oil. Well -- it was all borrowed money and they are not prosperous now.

It's funny...
The same people who claim to rely on the 'scientist' who claim CO2 is the culprit also belittle the scientist who say that solar sunspot activity is the culprit. We have extensive evidence that other planets in our solar system have had similar warming trends in the last ten years, such as Mars for example. It is also shown that the number of solar sunspot activity has increased in the same time frame. Why is that data always ignored by proponents of the man made global warming theory?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3869753.stm

science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast19oct98_1.htm

http://www.dxlc.com/solar/

Maybe's its because then SUN is the dominant factor in temperature in our solar system. Again, those Martian SUVs must be darn nasty this time of year!

Every time...
the greenie weenies pi$$ me off, (which is often) I get this uncontrollable urge to start up my old smoky V8 and old smoky lawn mover and just let them run in the backyard for ten or so. Excuse me, I must go outside now.

They are WATERMELONS!!!!
Green on the outside and RED on the inside. The whole thing REEKS of socialism and totalitarian control. How to best get your hands into the tax payers' pockets? Sell them on AGW snake oil and let THEM finance their own downfall.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Here's an idea...
Why don't all the greenies just get a piece of cardboard and write on it "THE END IS NEAR!" and head to a local street corner and stop bothering the rest of us. Be sure to recycle when you are done for the day.

In the mean time dipwads thanks for ruining my favorite color.

Global warming advocates are not "green"
Let's not confuse the global warming fascists with the "green" environmentalists. The global warming fanatics are the ones pushing the mercury laden CFL bulbs into the bedrooms of every child in America (to save the planet, of course) and the real environmentalists (who have been silenced by the globalists) are appalled that the "new" green includes the wholesale distribution of hazardous materials into our personal environments.

Check out the article titled: 1 broken bulb pushes contamination to 300 times EPA limits:
Poisonous vapor so bad, researchers recommend families no longer use CFLs at http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72133.

Anyone who disagrees with my choice of the words "fascists" and "fanatics" might want to check out: 31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda: 'Mr. Gore's movie has claims no informed expert endorses' at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId =64734.

Dear "In the Majority" Sophist . . .
I can almost assure you that I have more education in just one of my advanced degrees, from an "elite" liberal institution of "higher" ed, than you have in your entire resume. That aside, I have seen these pretentious academic types who live off the largesse of the real producers -- the middle class -- and they are absolutely hideous individuals who hold nothing but scorn for those who make their lifestyles possible.

DCR
And so it goes. If I refuse to blindly accept the results from your selected group of scientists, I am "oppositional to science".

As for your statement that "About 90-95% of reputable scientists believe humanity is contributing significantly to global warming", I would like to know what criteria determines whether a scientist is "reputable".

I'm guessing that the "reputable" designation is conferred by scientists who are pro-AGW on each other. Prove me wrong.

One mistake does not a refutation make.
Still, check out a community of climate scientists if you are having problems finding evidence.

http://www.realclimate.org/

Those oppositional to science are making a big mistake--your children and children's children will suffer.

Scientists
Actual scientists release their notes so others can critique them.

Crackpots refuse to release their notes except under duress.

Hansen refused to release his notes.

James Hansen?
DCR, is that the same James Hansen who, when he couldn't get the October temperature readings from the Russian stations just reused the September readings, then proclaimed it to be the warmest October on record?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/ 2008/11/16/do1610.xml

Forgive me if I am not moved by your appeal to authority.

DCR
The empirical data shows no historical correlation between CO2 levels and temperature, despite what Saint Hansen proclaims.

What if man truly is contributing to climate change, but it turns out not to be due to CO2 emissions? I realize that that is a heretical statement, but I would prefer that science continues to research the matter beyond their stupid computer model conclusions.

The science is NOT settled. It NEVER is.

Doug, Anne, and others...
This rant is problematic, as are the deniers. Check out this recent report by James Hansen where he argues that setting a 450 CO2 ppm limit is still too high.

Read the paper (or a summary of it). About 90-95% of reputable scientists believe humanity is contributing significantly to global warming.

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/TargetCO2_20080407.pdf

Hi Anne
RE: Reply #87:
I was born in 1952, and remember well the far-out, hip-nocious Smothers Brothers. I was one of the original "freaks" in my high school who marveled at their cleverly "subtle" drug references and, to this day, love to use the "well........oh yeah?" line for its comedic lameness. Unfortunately, the lameness I see from the left today is not funny.

One particularly lame assumption of liberal posters to TH is that all the other posters who disagree with them are evangelicals who believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old and man coexisted with dinosaurs. In the feeble mind of someone like "inthemajority", this quickly eliminates the opposing view in a scientific discussion.

It amazes me how similar liberalism is to blind religiosity. If you dare to disagree with them and their saints, you are a heretic and must be silenced.


The Global Warming Crisis is real!
But it's not what you think. There has been no warming since 1998 and the earth has been cooling about 1.1 F per decade since 2001. The crisis is so many scientists have been co-opted by 'Fat Albert' Gore and his syncophants. The crisis is that so many politicians and would-be dictators (but I repeat myself) are trying to bankrupt America. The crisis is that anyone, especially the media, is listening to the green, fascistic morons.

Perhaps making fun of them is a way to neuter them. Do you know how the greenies change a light bulb? They hold it up to the socket and wait for the world to turn around them!

... or the greenie who went to his family reunion to find a date?

Well, just imagine how disappointing it

was to find out that this entire thing is a hoax!

I had my own little empire ready to go... a booth at every general aviation terminal at every airport big enough to take private/corp. jets, and I was going to collect "Carbon Footprint" fees on all jets (double for AlGore, of course! LOL.)

Don't worry, I was going to lease franchises... being the Compassionate Conservative I am....

But now... Ugh! There goes a "get rich quick scheme" and a fat retirement. Kind of like Enron. Rats! :-(


The serial lefty posters
who insist on pressing their intellectual feces into the faces of the rational debaters in TH remind me of those old Tom and Jerry cartoons.
You know, the one where Tom carefully paces out the length of Chopper the bulldog's chain, then stands just outside his reach whacking him with a baseball bat?
It would be prudent of the trolls to remember how that one ended; being clever rather than intelligent can have serious repercussions.

minky:You're right, most of the replies

from these intellectually limited leftists are, in fact, "lame."

Not sure if you're old enough to remember the "Smothers Brothers" or not, but most times these leftists remind me of Tommy Smothers' snappy little comeback... "Oh... yeah... ? Well.... uh, Mom always liked you best!" :-)





And-
inthemajority, you obviously fall into the majority of voters in the last Zogby poll who knew more about how much Sarah Palin spent on clothes than who the Weather Underground were.
I stop short of calling you a useful idiot because you are evidently highly educated...
wait a moment...
never mind.

Crisis!
The "Environmental Crisis" and the "Global Warming Crisis" are lies. I've heard, for the past 40 years, that we are destroying the rain forests, 10 million acres a day... 10 million x 365 = 3,650 billion x 40 = 146,000 trillion acres of "rain forest" so far. It's truly a amazing we can still breathe at all.

We supposedly have an Economic Crisis right now too, but I don't trust that one either.

Cap and Trade Disaster
Based on a scientific "consensus" that the earth is warming due to man-made greenhouse gases, California passed a far-reaching climate change law, AB 32, in 2006, that is only now being defined into specific regulations and is soon to be implemented (starting in 2009). A window into this legislation is here:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cc.htm

U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-California) is currently co-writing a bill that would force the entire U.S. to follow California on this; first, to reduce all greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 to the level emitted in 1990, and second, to reduce by 2050 all GHG to 80 percent below that emitted in 1990.

President-elect Obama has publicly stated he is in favor of a federal law that copies AB 32 as described just above. Obama sent a video-speech that was shown in Beverly Hills at the recent international climate change summit then taking place, where Governor Schwarzenegger also spoke. The video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvG2XptIEJk

This is not future stuff. This is real, this is here, now, and businesses will either comply or be fined. Or go out of business.


Roger E. Sowell

By the way,
"Pancho"- blah, blah, blah...

I have the answer...
Anyone who believes we are destroying the planet, pay heed.
If you will all send me $100.00 each, I will go into my garage and whip up a gadget which- all by itself- will take care of the problem.
If, in 50 years, no discernible difference in climate is observed, I will refund your money.
That's a reasonable solution, right?
It makes just as much sense as the government saying "Just let us take your money, and we'll control the weather, and if we're wrong- too bad for you".
The flag for the environmental movement should be a swastika with a green border instead of a red one.

Lame Try, "inthemajority"
inthemajority offers this feeble-minded comeback: "Minky - 'In other words, the "flat earthers" considered that the science was settled.'
"Yes, just like today. Misinformed religious folk denied the obvious sphere-earth then, and misinformed religious folk deny GW. Informed science said otherwise about the earth, and informed science says otherwise about GW. Deja vu."

Your incredible lack of logic is evident in the fact that it's people like you who claim that the science is settled. The only correlation to religion that comes into play here is the religion of AGW, of which you are obviously a member. Your definition of "informed science" refuses to include any scientist who does not further the views of your religion.

You and millions like you are repeating the "religious" fervor of the "flat earthers". Deja vu, indeed, fool.


inthemajority
wrote: " Did you attend one of those schools that doesn't believe in real science? Did you forget to read anything on NOAA's site?"

My universities and academic degrees are no concern of yours. I recommend that you just ignore the site I posted, as it will inevitably show the ice is growing faster and thicker than it has recently. Water tends to do that when exposed to cold air.

At least, that is what I learned in university. I did not take a class in majoritarianism, though, so perhaps I have the physics wrong. Or, maybe the second law of thermodynamics has been repealed by the majority of learned scientists. Was there a memo circulated on that repeal? I did not receive that memo, could you please forward it to me?

Thank you for your time.

Roger E. Sowell


I wish we'd get some warming!
It's cold out this morning! :)

Communist tactics aren't about facts
Al Gore, Obama and the others know darn well that global warming is BS. That's why they have changed the cry to "Climate Change" in the midst of a cooling trend. Gore and the others that created the carbon credit scheme are making a fortune. Gore buys carbon credits from himself ! Just as with all other propaganda,you have the agenda driven base selling their lies to the useful idiots of the great unwashed masses using the same old word games,phrases and mind manipulation.

inthemajority
saying the science is settled does not make it so. Newtonian physics was settled for a few hundred years until quantum mechanics came along. you offer no proof or testable hypothesis.

exactly what is it you believe in? the earth is getting warmer? man is the cause? that we can economically reverse the process?


The art of persuasion
The plot to green the planet was hatched in the mid-60's in a forest commune near Big Sur, California. For the plot to have wings it had to be tied to something affecting everyone: voila, the weather.

Natural, cyclic changes in weather would instead be blamed on man, and fear, the great persuader, would be wielded to reorder civilization. The greenie communers made a 50/50 bet and hitched their plot to global cooling. But when that didn't fly, they switched to warming.

The rest is history.

Part II
I'm not saying having pollution controls is not important. Producing excess carbon monoxide is very dangerous along with sulfur and methane and can do very real damage to the environment. The idea that CO2 is the enemy is laughable though! Over 95% of our atmosphere consists of water vapor, less than 5% is CO2. We need lots of CO2! More CO2 means more plant growth, more food, longer growing seasons and with more plants means more oxygen production as well. Besides who cares if Greenland melts? It has already happened in the ancient past as is. The Vikings had successful farming colonies there in the early parts of last century. As a matter of fact, the world cooled during the 11th to -13th century or so and the Vikings froze to death on Greenland as no more food could be grown there. The real threat to warming are if polar ice caps on top of mountains melt because that would cause sea levels to rise dramatically but that is not happening. The ice floating in the north pole already has its volume accounted for.

Just like when you have ice cubes in water. When the ice cubes melt, you are left with the same volume. Now if you add in more ice, the volume increases.

Also to further my point, while it is true earth did warm in the last ten years, so did Mars and Mars is loosing its polar ice cap region as well. I guess those Martian SUVs must be terrifying this time of year!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070527101114.h tm

Global Warming is pure lies...
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner

John Coleman former CEO of the weather channel doesn't believe in global warming. Yes the earth gets warmer and we entered a warming cycle but so what? The earth goes through many natural warming and cooling cycles. The facts are that the sun's solar output is anything but constant and that the number of sunspots produced by our sun and temperature graphs prove it. Go look up the maunder minimum sometime!

While you are at it why not visit 1970 as well. Doesn't anyone remember the Global Cooling BS from that decade? Aerosol cans will kill the ozone! Hello! It took Newsweek 30 years to admit that an article they posted on global cooling was wrong and ill informed! What do you think is going to happen in another thirty years after we enter another global cooling cycle?

http://science.jrank.org/pages/4184/Maunder-Minimum.html

GREEN
I too, am sick of the color green. Period.
The other day a Dell commercial came on TV. I wasn't looking, I just heard it. It started with, "I am green...I am green." Immediately, I was turned off. Wanted to change the channel. Turns out it wasn't about the environment at all. It was just about the different colors you can get with a Dell laptop. The environmental wackos have completely turned me off to the color green, the mention of green, etc. I do not subscribe to their religion.

Funny Cons
Dancing Bear -- "First good step is to stop funding colleges and universities, even your alma maters."
This would explain the lack of education of a AGW denier.
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Minky - "In other words, the "flat earthers" considered that the science was settled."
Yes, just like today. Misinformed religious folk denied the obvious sphere-earth then, and misinformed religious folk deny GW. Informed science said otherwise about the earth, and informed science says otherwise about GW. Deja vu.
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Dancing Bear -- "Our "system of higher education" is not about intelligence any longer but rather serves to fleece the public and indoctrinate the young with superstitutious manure. Enough said. Send your kids to local or smaller schools and stop worshipping the Ph.D.s and other employees who subsist on your money to work one half the year. Stop it now."
My daughter's civics teacher is a Conservative whacko who does not understand politics or science. He denies GW even though 99+% of science points in that direction. Where do intelligent people go from here? An equally misinformed private religious school? We're stuck with "superstitutious manure".
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Susan -- "They have to have permits if they are going to have a barbecue and the permit is good for a day. They have helicopters hovering so you better have that permit!"
Ahhh. April fools. Fool. Or were you trying to see how many people bought into this prank?
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energyguy -- "Also, here is a NOAA site that shows a satellite view of the north polar region and it's ice and snow. This appears to be growing, not shrinking."
That tends to happen to the North in the Winter months. Did you attend one of those schools that doesn't believe in real science? Did you forget to read anything on NOAA's site?

The great savior, ethanol
Ethanol plants in Indiana are shutting down, plans to build more are being shelved. Even with government subsidies, ethanol isn't profitable right now. Sympathies to the farmers and to the ethanol plant builders.

I wondered from the beginning what would happen to all those ethanol plants when the ethanol fad ended. Has the fad ended? Or will the ethanol industry be "bailed out"?

done Juanita says: "No, but things have

pretty much gone as was predicted."

Peak oil, manipulated because the greenies refused to let the oil companies drill domestically.

Peak water, whatever THAT means.

Peak food, manipulated because the greenies refused to let the oil companies drill domestically, and they HAD to try that "corn" thing.

Not to long ago I happen to see Michael Creighton on C-Span2 (aired after he passed away) talk about environmentalism and radical environmentalism...

One of the many very good points he made had to do with just how destructive (and truly stupid) the greenies have been.

For one example Creighton shared how, in CA the greenies have forced legislation to restrict home owners from clearing brush from around their homes, to keep things "au natural."

Therefore, these homes are surrounded by "natural tinder" that has been, at least in part, responsible for the loss of countless homes when forest fires are near.


I am worried
about the fact supporters of Obama call him the most"green" president ever just when Europeans are getting sick and tired of the cost and futility of implementing the Kyoto treaty. Polls reveal all over the world citizens are becoming increasingly sceptical about the Gore hysteria over global warming and more scientists are jumping on the sceptics train.

His determination(at least at this point in time) to implement cap and trade would be disasterous in this economy.

What a coincidence:
Our local paper has an article today by Philip Brasher published by Gannett News Service saying that the EPA is considering regulating the gas emissions of livestock, charging farmers fees for each head of cattle or hog. My. Families with too many children: beware - you may be next!

Minky . . .
i love it. They are TOTAL IDIOTS. It is us or them. Accept it and act on it politically. Now. First good step is to stop funding colleges and universities, even your alma maters.

The Flat Earth Society
I investigated nomo's link to the website of the "Flat Earth Society". It is, of course, satire and presumably nomo finds it to reveal something about the nature of all of us global warming "deniers".

The very first line of their mission statement is a bit ironic though. It states, "For centuries, mankind knew all there was to know about the shape of the Earth. It was a flat planet, shaped roughly like a circle..."

In other words, the "flat earthers" considered that the science was settled.

Talkin' about a revolution . . .
I am ready to grab my gun. Anybody else? Because these idiots are so overstepping the Constitution that we are well within our rights to defend our kids from this insanity. How do environ whackos operate on a daily basis? Obviously, many are in academia as students or professors. So that explains a lot.

America. Wake up. Our "system of higher education" is not about intelligence any longer but rather serves to fleece the public and indoctrinate the young with superstitutious manure. Enough said. Send your kids to local or smaller schools and stop worshipping the Ph.D.s and other employees who subsist on your money to work one half the year. Stop it now.

Now it's climate change!!
To cover their bases the green freaks have now switched from global warming to climate change. That way WHATEVER change in local weather may occur THEY will claim it's man-made, demand more regulations, taxes and limits on everybody ELSE'S lifestyle.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Try Belgium
Go to Belgium where the populace bought into the green scam and ask them how they like it now. They have to have permits if they are going to have a barbecue and the permit is good for a day. They have helicopters hovering so you better have that permit! How much energy is spent on the government watching for that illegal barbecue? You have a bunch of scientists on the payroll of the UN that signed on to this crap and we should all follow like sheep? The temperatures have been lower then normal over the past several years, so much it has wiped out any increase in temperature over the past 10 years and still they go on with this global warming fiasco. There is more ice, not less at the polar ice caps in fact the whales are already closed in by the ice at the north pole, which is earlier then most years. If, indeed, Co2 was the real issue here then all that would really mean is that this planet would see more plant growth and more plant growth makes for a healthier atmosphere anyways. Why don't people who don't want to really inform themselves just go step out their door and see for themselves that it is colder and not warmer out there? What happened to all those devasting hurricanes that were to hit US shores last year? They never got here. What ever happened to individual thought and common sense? It's not global warming, it's a global scam.

Global Cooling
may be more real than global warming.

This is a good British movie that refutes Al Gore's movie.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swind le.php

Also, here is a NOAA site that shows a satellite view of the north polar region and it's ice and snow. This appears to be growing, not shrinking.

http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nh_snowcover

Finally, here is a NOAA site that shows the heating degree days, by city, each week in the U.S. This data shows the U.S. is roughly 16 percent COLDER this year compared to last year, and only 5 percent warmer than the long-term, 30-year average. The data is updated each Sunday. Note that the cold part of this winter is yet to come.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/c dus/degree_days/wctyhddy.txt

The warming alarmists now say that the reason the air is getting colder is that the CO2 is bouncing the heat back into the Pacific Ocean, where the water is slowly getting warmer. They also state that it is consistent with global warming for there to be unusually severe snow storms and ice. So, when glaciers retreat, it is due to global warming. When glaciers grow, it is also due to global warming.

Has anyone ever raised kids? And heard their whopping lies when they get caught? And then even more outrageous lies when confronted with the first lie? Does any of the warming alarmists' spewing resemble that?

Roger E. Sowell

No more snow, Thank you Al.
Of course there's global warming. I saw a movie the other night where the entire world was wiped out because of global warming. How could a man that invented the internet be wrong? I'm now using both sides of that one piece of toilet tissue in order to save a few trees. And my child now wears green on the anual Gay Pride day at her school.

Remember, this is a society where only one man does not have to produce a legitimate copy of his COLB. Let's just hope he doesn't run for office, he will be so disappointed.

Karla: I'm with you! :-)

When my kids were little I used the plastic grocery bags to line the trash container in my kitchen.

It made my daughter crazy that I wasn't "recycling" the plastic... Even when I tried to tell her that WE WERE RECYCLING by re-using them, AND our re-cycling didn't cost anything.

(Plus the bags were small enough, that they never got so heavy that she or her brother couldn't take out the trash! he he he )

Not too long ago, she went apoplectic when her father tried to walk out with her plastic bags to take to a recycling center. "Wait!" she said, "I recycle them myself by re-using them AND MY re-cycling doesn't cost anything."

Poetic justice! :-)

Glad to know....
...I'm not the only one ready to go ballastic if I heard "gr**n one more time. Europe is backpeddling on their commitments. Germany wants to suspend all their efforts for now. Poland and other countries are refusing to cooperate because the goals are impossible to reach.

It's the hatred of Capitalism that drives these freaks. Gore is driven by the lust to be "somebody" and be "worshipped" as well as making millions. What a gig! Better than a rock star!

They are freaking because it's getting cold and it's going to be that way for years, so they must act and get laws in place before people laugh them out of the universe.

Iran is threatening the world with nuclear. Terrorism is worldwide. They are burning our food for fuel!!!!! Please don't stand up and tell me that a "climate crisis" is the world's greatest problem and expect me to believe you are NOT INSANE!

EXCELLENT comment, Karla
I just started doing that as of your posting.

Environmental whackos are winning.
When the country has been driven into poverty while reaching for green plants, the rest of the world will continue to reach for green cash. All except the islamo-fascists who will continue their parade.

no to green
Excellent article! I refuse to buy anything that says "green" on it. I have been that way all along. To business owners out there, if it says green, I pass.
I first of all assume the product is inferior. I don't want ant spray that is nice and not harmful.

Pancho
I stand corrected. DH just reminded me that Suncor (a Canadian company) is also going to build an ethanol manufacturing facility here where I live-using the dead trees for its source. My apologies for the statement.

However, I still maintain that the self-styled 'enviros' who drive around in their little green cars haven't a clue as to how relentless nature really is.

johninoregon
A lot of your message is what is wrong with this debate. The use of the word denial is only meant to tie those who disagree with you to the holocaust. Try something better. And for many it is not denial. Bjorn Lomborg, the economist, goes out of his way to acknowledge that global warming is occurring and admits man may play a part. His differences with the global warming crowd are with what to do about it. He disagrees, but he hardly denies.

Take a look at the money on the other side sometime. Every large company dealing in alternative energy is looking for a large subsidy from the Gov't (windmills, electric cars (GM wants a $7500/car subsidy for the volt, Tesla wants to be part of the bailout)...) and they want the Gov't to limit their competition (taxes on oil or coal to make those sources more expensive). Going green means big money in the form of Gov't handouts for big business. Then look at the money involved for smaller players. Being on board with Global warming means money, tenure, publications, or upper level degrees for many in academics. If you propose to write a grant to study the feeding habits of squirrels in Maine, you probably won't get federal money. If you write a grant to study the effects of global warming on the feeding habits of squirrels in Maine, and why it is killing them, your grant stands a much better chance. Where I went to school there was once a post doc who was going to build a fourier transform time of flight mass spectrometer. It would have been an impressive instrument, but in his grant proposal, this analytical instrument was going to cure cancer and end the threat of nuclear war. There is a fashion and there is a profit motive in academics that should not be overlooked.

garryb: Thank you. I had not seen that

video either.

I can hardly wait to read just how the "greenies" are going to try to refute that.

Or, will they just ignore it? :-)




I highly recommend
watching Garryb's You Tube clip. Then watch Sir David Attenbourough's - it shows the weakness if the alarmist's justification of the "evidence".

Very Interesting....
This is the first part of a 4 part series. I've recorded it in total and am enclosing a DVD in all of my Christmas cards. What are you doing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

It's also interesting that this information has been out there for over a year, and I just saw it a few days ago.

NO ONE has a right .......
NO ONE has a right to force their opinions, fact based or not, on anyone else. We are a free Republic and freedom of thought. Greenies or anyone do not have a right to take our money for their beliefs unless these fall within our Constitution. And greeness does not fit into this category! DO NOT let these greenies walk over your rights. Tell them to take a long walk on a short pier without our money!

Liberal without Guilt is NOT a Liberal

"Ignorance is the mothers milk of Liberalism" Retired Geek

"I was also proud to stand up for the ethanol tax exemption when it was under attack in the Congress -- at one point, supplying a tie-breaking vote in the Senate to save it.

The more we can make this home-grown fuel a successful, widely-used product, the better-off our farmers and our environment will be." Al Gore
---------------------------------

Ethanol subsidies have led to hunger and food riots across the world, by diverting critical farmland from food production to fuel production.

While in the Senate, Al Gore, working with fat-cat lobbyists, “saved the ethanol” industry by pushing through big taxpayer subsidies for ethanol.

Artificially-high worldwide production of ethanol now threatens to destroy many forests. And when “the forests are gone, with fewer trees to absorb CO2, the net effect is: worse global warming.”

The inflated ethanol production resulting from government subsidies and mandates has already led to soil erosion, deforestation, and environmental damage.

The fall in food production it has caused has triggered food riots in Mexico, Egypt, Haiti, Pakistan, Indonesia, El Salvador, Ivory Coast, and Yemen.

Liberal Solutions are always worse than the problem.

Does anyone remember
the hysteria about the world's population explosion? Aren't we supposed to have been annihilated by now?

Gaia Fanatics
JohninOregon, what's up with Oregon? Everything I read leads me to believe that these residents really are not interested in continuing to live on earth. What with abortion and the right to suicide celebrated up there.

Tell you what: You Oregonians off yourselves for the sake of Gaia and the rest of us will use your homes for summer retreats.

The truth for Gore Kool-Aid drinkers: The earth survived millions of meteor hits, volcanoes, tornados, hurricanes, and tsunamis Nothing humans can do will destroy the earth.

But the Green fanatics are just as dangerous as terrorists. They want to control our lives through a sappy love for Gaia, which just shrugs her shoulders, revolves on its axis, revolves around the sun and sails through the universe while some petty, ignorant do-gooders have learned it was bad to sacrifice virgins to placate Gaia but it's necessary today to police the lives of billions of people supposedly harming Gaia.




H. L. Mencken Quote
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Pretty much applies to all of politics but especially this "global warming" scare.

On 'Victim' List
I have created a list of 'victims' for the terrorists to annihilate the next time they decide to destroy Americans and their property and these green crazies are amongst those whom I would enjoy seeing destroyed. The noxious amounts of CO2 emitted by these fruitcakes with each exhalation put all of us at risk, kind of like flatulence of the oral cavity billowing over the earth. It is hard to imagine people being this stupid.

These greenie weenies never want
to address the many ice ages the earth has endured, I guess all that ice melted from the flatulance of the mammoths...They pushed for holding tanks on boats so no poop got into the waters, neglecting the fish and birds put more in there than boaters ever could. I can see it on inland lakes, just common sense, but not in tidal waters and not when mini sanitation systems are available..
Cafe stanadards helped ruin the auto industry, they push for little electric cars, cute but not practical and then they fight against the nuke plants to generate the electricity to run them.
It's all about power over other people and making fools feel good about themselves.

We know they are insane, they helped elect bambi.

JD's Handsome Son
"My thoughts are in two parts to thwart the feeble attempts of TH censors to silence me. Fools."

Yeah, what IS it with that? Something is really curious about the censoring in TH.

Global Warming
I'm in favor of environmental responsibility. Like duck hunters , we need to preserve our stomping grounds.
However, I notice in science that Mars has increased in temperature almost exactly the same amount as Earth. When did we populate that planet and screw it up like earth? Mars is not the only other celestrial increasing in temp.
For all of our education & knowledge, we have actually increased in stupidity. Thank you public education. You can lead a man to school but you can't teach him to think! We are entering a New Dark Age, of the mind.
Gregg

31 THOUSAND v. 1,121!!!!!!
Algore the robot bore has a phony Nobel Prize. He ONLY got it because the 1,121 GRANT WHORES passing as "scientists" needed somebody with a high public profile to SHARE the prize.

Recently THIRTY ONE THOUSAND real scientists who are involved in HARD SCIENCE signed a declaration that global warming is part of a natural astronomic cycle if increased solar output NOT the fault of Man.

THAT'S not "sexy" enough so you NEVER hear it outside of Talk Radio or conservative blogs and publications. Talk about control? The AGW morons are desperate to keep anyone from even hearing this. One more reason they support the Fairness Doctrine.

Ever hear of the Little Ice Age? It followed the Medieval Warming. THAT period saw ice in the North Atlantic VANISH for 2 centuries. They grew GRAPES in ENGLAND for God's sake!!


Then, about 1310 the Little Ice Age hit and stayed till about 1850. Million died as a result. The French Revolution was a result. The great Stradivarius violins were a result.
This was REAL. The tree rings prove BOTH events centuries BEFORE industrialization.

WHY can't the AGW goons and their idiot dupes get it?

Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Giles
Wrong again.
It's about breathing cleaner air, drinking cleaner water, using less resources. What's wrong with that concept?

I'd prefer "Global Warming Goons" with the little ones than Doug Giles. He should have a restraining order to keep him away from children.

Here is my take...
...I HATE COLD !

...I LOVE WARM !

End of discussion.

When warming stops the greens just lie
The warming trend stopped in 1998, and the world has cooled since 2000, but you would never know it, listening to the Greens.

None of the fabulously expensive computer models predicted this. Taxpayers funded the studies of global warming by spending 40 billion dollars. Is it any wonder so many scientists believe in global warming if their incomes depend on telling this lie?

Actually, after spending all this money there is no evidence, none, that CO2 controls the climate.

But, it does not matter, facts don't matter to the Obama people. What they want is to control business, and by controlling CO2 emissions they control energy use, so they can punish coal users, make whole industries unprofitable, and change our capitalist system to a government planned and administered system. Oh yes, it really worked well in the Soviet and their satellites didn't it!

Here, in Europe politicians are realizing that the "cap and trade" scheme just does not work, and Europe has not reduced it's CO2 emissions as much as the U.S. with its voluntary, technology based approach.

So, in the Obama administration wants to adopt a system which does not work to replace a system which does.

They must be insane.

johninoregon
Be careful - they're coming out of the woodwork. You can't close the conversation stating that no one else supports the idea, except a tiny band of "experts" who are not scientists. Here is a non-exhaustive list of "scientists" from MIT to NASA to the renowned universities across our possibly warming planet (or not). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_t he_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Or
a more recent case where scientist "proved" there was a link between silicon breast implants and a rare disease in women. Years later those results were overturned and now silicon implants are once again being offered to woman.

johninoregon
Explain to me how Greenland got its name. There is evidence that Greenland once supported an agricultural society. Now it is covered in ice. Also the Antartica ice cap has been growing lately. And you think scientist are never wrong. Then explain how far a long time scientist thought Sir Issac Newton was correct until Einstein proved Newton's theory of gravity was wrong.

Mountain Rose from CA

I remember "Earth Day" (1970). Back then Liberals said Oil would run out by the year 2000 and we were about to enter another Ice Age.

They had all kinds of charts, graphs and experts to prove their point and none of it turned out to be true.

Prove it
>Here in Colorado the pine beetle is decimating our mountain forests-and we not only can't do a thing to stop it, we may never be able to harvest the resulting deadwood to reduce fire hazard precisely because of obstructionist 'environmentalists'<

What BS. Here's the reality:

The state's entrepreneurs are also finding a way to capitalize. In Kremmling, just outside of Steamboat Springs, a new 18,000 square-foot wood-pellet plant opens in two weeks. Feeding on beetle-killed trees, the plant will provide wood pellets for heating stoves, a booming business not only because of the ample supply of wood, but increasing energy costs. There's even research being done on the feasibility of turning the millions of dead trees into ethanol.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/148297/page/2

BTW, no one wants to "harvest" lodgepole pine, a lousy lumber material, especially when dead.

Johninoregon
Just a thought for you and all your AGW alarmist friends-we are not as powerful as you'd like to think we are. We couldn't destroy the earth if we tried. We didn't create it, we didn't place it, we don't sustain it, and we will not end it. Nothing we could possibly do to the *environment* can hold a candle to what earth does to itself-or do you not grasp the destructive power of a hurricane, earthquake, volcanic eruption, or fire? Here in Colorado the pine beetle is decimating our mountain forests-and we not only can't do a thing to stop it, we may never be able to harvest the resulting deadwood to reduce fire hazard precisely because of obstructionist 'environmentalists' who truly wouldn't recognize the environment if it slapped them upside the head.




Greenism
I remember around 1960 there was the chlorophyll kick. The "they" shortened it to chloraphyl (or something like that). We had cloraphyl gum to make our breath better, chlorophyl tooth paste, chlrphayl insoles in our shoes to make our feet smell better. But then schools wern't allowed to brainwash our children in those days. There was all kind of greenish crap then too but it faded out. Now we hava a Afro-green prez. I worry.

Mountain Rose
Mountain Rose, do you remember that we were told back then to fear global cooling, the approaching of the next ice age? Do you remember all sorts of outlandish plans to stop this, such as coating the snow at the polar ice caps to absorb the sun and thereby deliberately MELT the icecaps?

And do you remember how starting in the early '70s everything started to become "natural": natural foods, natural shoes,etc., etc., etc., wow as Sly Stone said at Woodstock?

And now we see that generation was the biggest bunch of phony sellouts ever, at least until this new breed came along. They'll sell out too whenver they shave their beards, laser off their tattoos, and let the hole in their faces fill in after they grow up, get married, and want to buy houses.

These genuises pride themselves on being hip and smart, but they dance to rich elites who fly in luxury private jets then call down to them and tell them to turn off their lights because they're killing the polar bears. Fools. Stooges.

The Earth is Flat Society

I have a hard time believing that kids
today react to this nonsense any different than we did when it was crammed down our throats in the 1970s, when Earth Day was introduced. Most of us thought it was stupid, but kept our mouths shut to make the teachers happy.

No$ #24:"prepared to do what is necessay

to stay warm or cool, whatever the CLIMATE requires."

Exactly right No$!


AGW has been a "Hoax & Joke" from the

beginning.....

And, algore and his Hollywood friends are the biggest hypocrites of the 20th and 21st Centuries!

But then, it does stand to reason that the intellectually limited liberals would fall for something as stupid as gloBULL warming.

YET ANOTHER reason for parents to get their children OUT of public school and put them into private or parochial school, or home school.

ANYTHING BUT public school.....



Anne
You may be right about climate cooling. So I am prepared to do what is necessary to stay warm or cool, whatever the CLIMATE requires. Not any political ideology. That is what Independent means. Climate is not on the ballot.

Anne, you're kidding, right?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute _of_Science_and_Medicine

OIS is a joke. The petition was a joke. Anyone could and did sign -- oh, and a handful of real scientists. Cons need to step away from the propaganda and read something. Please? You're starting to sound pathetic.

"When questioned in 1998, OISM's Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, "and of those the greatest number are physicists.""

"The mailing is clearly designed to be deceptive by giving people the impression that the article, which is full of half-truths, is a reprint and has passed peer review," complained Raymond Pierrehumbert, a meteorlogist at the University of Chicago. NAS foreign secretary F. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric chemist, said researchers "are wondering if someone is trying to hoodwink them." NAS council member Ralph J. Cicerone, dean of the School of Physical Sciences at the University of California at Irvine, was particularly offended that Seitz described himself in the cover letter as a "past president" of the NAS. Although Seitz had indeed held that title in the 1960s, Cicerone hoped that scientists who received the petition mailing would not be misled into believing that he "still has a role in governing the organization."

You "Green Guys" need to snap out of it!

We're on a confirmed "cooling trend"

http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/category/2/27/47/ 30/30/

A few nights ago, after falling to sleep with the tv on, I woke up in the wee hours of the morning to some STUPID, mis-info commercial about the poor polar bears... you know, they're dying out because the polar cap is about to disappear!

RUBBISH!

The polar cap has increased substantially over the past decade, and if they get more than four new polar bear babies, it will officially be an freaken' epidemic!

Matt21632 #2 is absolutely right...

"Greenie=Commie!" It's nothing more than a scheme for the govt. to gain control of how we live!

johninoregon #11: You are kidding, right

"Ignore the fact that most of the world's qualified Ph.D. climate scientists have long since acknowledged that we have a serious problem that needs addressing."

YOU need to get out more!!!

31,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Theory to be Named Monday

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/05/18/31-00 0-scientists-rejecting-global-warming-theory-be-named-monda y

May 18, 2008

”The names of over 31,000 American scientists that reject the theory of anthropogenic global warming are to be revealed on Monday.

“Although this will occur at the National Press Club in Washington, DC., it seems a metaphysical certitude media will completely ignore the event.

“Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)

“Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM

“What: release of names in OISM "Petition Project"

“Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

“It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not 'skeptics.'

“Folks should recall that this petition was first circulated in 1999 garnering more than 19,000 signatures. The alarmists discounted its significance because there were some duplicate names, and some of the signatories apparently weren't scientists -- or so the story goes.”

almost forgot
The Free Market is deciding if there is usefulness in 'green' products. If people dont find them useful then the companies will fail. Interested to see how this is twisted by the TH crowd.

green is as green does
Must be something in that oil paint you use that compels you to use up so much of the world's supply of hyperbole.
I have raised 3 children to past 23 yrs of age and none of them has spoken a word about green anything. Not for or against. Nothing about green movies or socialist professors. Am I lucky or what?
No I just practice some common sense and live and let live. I pay cash for cars, drive without rage, and keep the tires inflated. Life is easy if you know how. If "green" is the new name for common sense so be it. It hasnt hurt me a bit. As for paint I prefer LUKAS.

Hey Johnin
I suppose YOU heat YOUR food with a magnifying glass or something. Your type usually neglects to mention that you also oppose nuclear, coal (clean or otherwise), or anything that doesn't fit your Ph.D. climate guy's theology.

I'll admit this global warming crowd has taken marketing to new heights. Hot, cold, warm, cool, dry, wet, light, dark, moist, arid, windy, calm, cloudy, clear, you guessed it--Global Warming. I mean Climate Change-- we may have to go through a few years of cooling before we all melt.

Global Warming issue and Al Gore

Listen, if it were not for Global Warming, nobody would care about anything Al Gore says about anything.

Al Gore has found a nitch and intends to exploit it for what its worth.

The fact that Liberal Left Wing loonies hang on to his every word says alot about their critcal thinking skills.


Corndog

Location: PA
Reply # 14
Date: Nov 29, 2008 - 7:08 PM EST JDs Handsome Sone
A most excellent recommendation.

I'd like to additionally propose that parents get rid of their gas powered lawn mowers and have the young'uns take care of the yard work with those heavy old fashioned push powered rotary mowers. That might also help with childhood obesity.

~~~

Corndog!

Have you no Shame?


Take back your words and allow me to write the same thing!

I am still laughing here, and wish I had thought of this one!

You kill me!


Oh, dang. We mow about five acres, and the Kid already left. He got a job as a Stevedore, and is more relaxed now. (Just kidding.)


Old wharf Rat, Ret.

Handsome JD & Corndog

Gonzo parenting as a solution to the global warming hysteria? I don't see the connection, but whatever works for you and your families is fine by me.

My kids, fortunately, are a good bit easier. When my son came home from school disconcerted by the showing of "Inconvenient Truth" and the alarmist classroom discussion that inevitably followed, I told him not to worry about it because Al Gore is a big fat liar. Then I offered to let him make use of his learner's permit and drive around for about 50 minutes.

That seemed to satisfy him.


JDs Handsome Sone
A most excellent recommendation.

I'd like to additionally propose that parents get rid of their gas powered lawn mowers and have the young'uns take care of the yard work with those heavy old fashioned push powered rotary mowers. That might also help with childhood obesity.

I Am A Druid... Part II



Aha! I have arrived at the Observatory. Old timers relate that the event will occur on the morrow. I thought it were two days away. We adorn ourselves with GREEN. It is our religion you know.

The Magical Herbage, Mistletoe, Hazel, Oak Leaves, and we munch on Acorns.

Acorns must be placed in special baskets, and placed in a fast running rill, for a few weeks, before becoming edible. Else their tannic acid content causes gut eruptions you won't believe. Acorns from Red oak are inedible. Only the White Oak produces edible fruit.

At Last. The sacred event occurs! The Sun rises on the Magical Morning, the early mist, quickly clears, and the Sun slowly rises at exactly center of the gap between the twin steles of,'Spring is Here' and 'Spring has Sprung'.
SPRING! It Is Green! We are redeemed!

We, The 'Greens' Are Reborn!

And now the festivities begin. 'Tis rumored the Romans attempted to duplicate our rites in one they call Saturnalia. People run naked, slaves become the Lords, if only in pretense, men couple with men, and women couple with men. A few animal shows are presented with great pomp.

The Romans are a weak and effete group. We 'Greens' Led the way down the path to enlightenment.

Several Druids, of the council of seers predict that many generations in the future, we Druids will give rise to a rebirth of our religion, and a Nascent Saint will arise. His Name is Sir Goreacle! He will be born in a strange land called 'Tendency'.

Sir Goreacle Shall be the first "Pope of The Green!" All hail Sir Goreacle!







Dang! Octoberfest is many months away! Cain't wait!



The Druid Rodent....


I am A Druid...



There is a nip in the air, this fine morning. The kitten willows are filling their twigs with their fine tufts. Flowers, brush and trees are awakening from their chilly nap.

My path has spots of snow, and many bare spots as I trod along on my mission. I hear, in the near distance as a snapped twig, the muffled crush of brittle leaves, of others on similar paths, as we proceed to our goal.

Oh, No! A 'Witch Hazel' bush. 'Twas not there yesterday! I must pause and offer obeisance. Several minutes lost in the 'trek'.

I continue my journey. The goal is the observatory. In a few days time, we shall witness the "Vernal Equinox", through the gap of the twin pillars of 'Spring is Here' and 'Spring has Sprung'.

As I trudge, my mind wanders to past events. I recall the eerie neophyte Druid called "Merlin" and his strange ravings... "The Observatory", will one day, be called, "Stonehenge". What nonsense. His childish prattling of Excalibur, and a Round Table, Sir Lunchalot, Sir Gay, some crone called Edith, a quest for a cup?
Uther Pendragon, Excalibur? And, Magician? How dare he invoke the secret word?

What insanity!

Oops! An Oak tree. More obeisance... Several more minutes lost in the 'trek'.

Drat! A Sacred grove! We're talking a couple of hours here!

Just a few more "mille", well the Roman's did give us a few good words. A mille is 1000 paces, and is about equal to one Mile. ( Every time the non-sinistral foot hits the ground, a distance of five feet has been traversed. ) A term that will occur a few hundred years from now. Trust me. I know. I am a Druid Priest.

Lunatic Fringe
That's it, Doug. Just keep cranking out the denialist nonsense. Ignore the fact that most of the world's qualified Ph.D. climate scientists have long since acknowledged that we have a serious problem that needs addressing. Keep pretending that the tiny number of "experts" on your side---who are often non-scientists (e.g., Chris Horner) or scientists whose association with fossil-fuel-funded think tanks destroys their credibilty---are a brave band of mavericks fighting off liberal meanies bent on brainwashing the populace. After all, we can't have our children parroting the conclusions of mainstream scientists about environmental threats or the need for a sustainable economy. Why, that might lead them to conclude that people like you are---you know---wrong about some stuff.

While you're at it, look over your shoulder and observe how your delusional stance is helping to to put you and the conservative movement farther and farther out on the lunatic fringe of public discourse. Pretty soon it may just be a footnote in some college class about quaint ideologies of the past that couldn't acknowledge reality.

Global Warming Taboo
One thing about “green” almost no one dares think about, much less mention, is that Americans could be happily driving big cars right now and filling their tanks with American gasoline, routinely burning fires in their fireplaces, and performing all manner of other sinful and forbidden acts if our political elites had not in 1965 embarked on a determined policy of overpopulation through over-the-top legal and illegal immigration. This is why true conservatives are conservationists, not panicked by global warming, nor are they denialists. Most importantly they are strong advocates of border enforcement and a moratorium on legal immigration until such time as sanity might return to our fair land.

Informational note: Type-A specimen representing almost psychopathic denial on the connection between immigration, overpopulation and global warming? Al Gore. (Think Eisenhower in the 1940s, if he had been able to describe in excruciating detail every security threat facing the U.S., except some mysterious far-off happy place called Germany.)

Thomas Andres
Sierra foothills

I agree Pancho
I think a lot of this is tongue in cheek. The article works.

Slav

The peoples of north-central Europe taken as slaves for many centuries before the first African was sent in bondage to the Western Hemisphere. Slavery in North America is but a small part of the storied evil known as "Slavery".

Parenting: Part Two
Tell them no more traveling to the malls, friends' houses, movies, or any other places for entertainment. Also, no more designer clothes, expensive sneakers, trinkets, and any other frivilous stuff. No more junk foods, only natural unprocessed produce. Further, the kids will get no more money from you. You are required by law to feed, clothe and shelter them until they are 18. That's all. You will not give them any money to avoid the risk they'll by crap from China that will increase global warming.

Deprive them of everything that makes them happy for the good of the planet.

Then see how enamoured these little Stalinists are with saving the planet. It's one thing to make others sacrifice, it's quite another when you have to.

Oh, and if these little snots threaten you with Children's Services or some other communist agency, post those phone numbers on the wall near the phone and invite them to call. Tell them that if they do they better pack up because you'll give them to the government for foster homes.

Parenting: Part One
My thoughts are in two parts to thwart the feeble attempts of TH censors to silence me. Fools.

Here's a way to sour the kids on global warming. But do understand, this solution requires that the parents realize they are in control. If you are like many parents in this country who've surrendered to your kids so that they boss you around, then go someplace else in Townhall.

When your kids come home all jazzed about their latest directive from party and badger you to make this or that change in your life, respond this way.

Tell them you accept the premise of global warming and that it's being caused by all the stuff we buy and use. Tell them you'll start making radical changes the next day and that they will notice them when they get home from school.

While they're at school, remove all their electronic gadgets: computers, blackberries, cell phones, radios, TV's, video games, everything. Hide them away some place.

The kids come home, go to their rooms, then come to you in panic about their missing things. Tell them you've sold them and donated the money to Greenpeace, that they'll not be replaced because they use power that's killing the polar bears. Tell them they won't be replaced, there will be no more purchases of trivial gadgetry. The family's getting back to basics to save the planet.


It's unfortunate
I sympathize with several of Giles' points, but, overall find that Giles is every bit an obstructionist as those he condemns.

There are many very legitimate environmental concerns, and these issues need responsible and coherent attention, not cynical quips(Everything is now being blamed on global warming from summer frost in Africa, freezing penguin chicks, poorly rising bread dough, impoverished fashion houses and the recent economic downturn suffered by Bulgarian whorehouses), and distortions(a cow’s tailpipe puts out more pollutants than a BMW’s).

While it can be pointed out that Al Gore and company have taken hysterical positions that have taken a tone of radicalism, Giles' anti-green position is equally radical.

Doug
"A good working definition of a liberal is a person who wants to impose a restrictive set of rules on everybody else, but from which he himself ought to be exempt."
I might add that work is one of those rules they shy away from.
I always wondered, when the progressives have brought their fantasy to fruition and we all have everything we need without having to work for it, what will be the term used for those who are producing what we need. Will that term still be "slaves"?

Al Gore...

Is a bottom-feeder.

Great Article, Doug, as usual!
In my opinion, Greenie=Commie! They want to destroy our liberties, and brainwash our kids. Does anyone see anything Orwellian about this situation? Also, it doesn't help when Republicans, like McCain, parrot the alarmists.

When people really belive
in something, they practice what they preach. I don't see Al Gore or any of the Hollywood wackos giving up their huge, energy-guzzling mansions or their jet-set lifestyles, yet they think I'm destroying the planet by driving a little four-banger and keeping my little apartment at a comfortable temperature. Both of which I pay for, by the way. And liberal hypocrisy is no recent development either. Remember the ultra-rich John Lennon imagining no possessions? A good working definition of a liberal is a person who wants to impose a restrictive set of rules on everybody else, but from which he himself ought to be exempt.
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