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Thursday, April 30, 2009
Debra J. Saunders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pelosi's Tortured Explanation
by Debra J. Saunders
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had been pushing for a "truth commission" to investigate the CIA's use of "enhanced interrogation" techniques like waterboarding -- until Republicans started shining the spotlight on Pelosi herself. Now she is not so adamant.

Spokesman Brendan Daly told me that Pelosi wants a truth commission, "but she still realizes the political reality" -- as in the opposition of President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

The rest of the reality may well be this: Pelosi knew that White House lawyers had sanctioned waterboarding in 2002 -- and did not protest.

According to the Senate Intelligence committee, the CIA briefed Pelosi, then the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah -- who was waterboarded -- in 2002.

The Washington Post reported in 2007 that the 2002 briefing provided Pelosi and company with a "virtual tour" of interrogation techniques. At the time of the story, a congressional source speaking for Pelosi, however, told the Post that Pelosi thought waterboarding was in the planning stages. The source admitted Pelosi did not object.

Who then is Pelosi to go after Bush lawyers for sanctioning waterboarding, which she now refers to as torture? This is what Pelosi told reporters last week: "We were not -- I repeat -- we were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used." Yes, the Bush Office of Legal Counsel said the techniques "could be used," she explained, "but not that they would."

So Pelosi thought that just because the Bushies were sticking out their necks and authorizing the CIA's use of waterboarding, that did not mean the CIA would use it. And the Democrats called George W. Bush dim and ineffective?

Note that Pelosi used the term "enhanced interrogation methods" when referring to her CIA briefing. Not torture. On Tuesday, Pelosi added a twist to the story. She told CNN that the briefers "said they had a legal opinion they said they weren't going to use and when they did they would come back to Congress to report to us on that."

Daly added, "There's really not a whole lot you can do when you're being briefed" and you're a member of the minority. Then what is the point of having a bipartisan intelligence committee? Why not just buy a rubber stamp? Porter Goss, the House Intelligence Committee chairman in 2002 who went on to become director of the CIA has a different recollection. As he wrote in the Washington Post, he, Pelosi and the ranking Senate Intelligence Committee members were briefed extensively, "understood what the CIA was doing," and "gave the CIA our bipartisan support." Goss was "slack-jawed to read that members claim to have not understood that the techniques on which they were briefed were actually to be employed."

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee, has called on the director of national intelligence to release complete CIA briefing documents -- including information as to who attended and what was said, so that Americans will know what congressional leaders like Pelosi knew. Daly told me that Pelosi supports that effort, as she generally believes in transparency.

Good riddance to a "truth commission." It's pretty sickening to think some Democrats have been poised to investigate and possibly prosecute those who sanctioned waterboarding in 2002. Yet when Pelosi knew the White House was pushing it, she did not try to move heaven and earth to make sure it never happened.

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Looking forward to a "truth commission"
Then Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Murtha, and others can explain themselves to the public. Oh, you mean the "truth commission" won't look into these hypocrites' behavior?

Well, I'm talking about the 2011 and 2013 "Truth Commission" to be established under a Republican Congress and Administration. After all, if the Democrats what to criminalize political policy disagreements, I say "go for it." Because with the Obamination currently going on, it's clear that the Democrats have driven off a cliff and will likely be out of power for another generation or two ... and hopefully we can toss a bunch of them in jail, too.

Eventual Nancy with get caught
There is little doubt that sweet Nancy will get caught in her lies and half truths. Something big will back fire in her face and there will be little doubt about it. But, her sleazy comrades in the Democratic party will protect her. Remember Bill ("I didn't have sex with that woman.") Clinton? There was never any doubt about it, (Yes, Bill, you did have sex with that woman!)... yet the Democrats rallied around him and protected him. Why would anything be different.

Loose lips.....
If the Democrats want to put Bush on trial then let them. I do not wish harm to come to Bush or Cheney but it is time for the Liberals and Democrats to put up or shut up. During the course of these trials it will come out how much the Democrats already knew and no amount of excuses or pleadings of ignorance of details will hold water.

Let the American people see and hear in the court of public opinion how much the liberal Democrats are willing to expose the security of the country.

Did you ever stop to think that Obama could have merely said that certain practices or techniques were no longer going to be used and not specify what those were? Instead he needs to make a public announcement, to me this was grandstanding.

The Bush presidency was chided as being too secretive. Now we have an administration that can't keep its mouth shut and seems to want to deride, instead of praise America. Remember Michelle Obama's comment about "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country". Have they been ashamed of America all along ?

Many predicted this type of behavior would surface with Obama. Those people were considered right wing extremists. Will our own intelligence services trust Obama with secret info? WIll they now be afraid of their own country?

The fallout from this will not be immediate as was the situation with Frank Church. If their are internal problems within the intelligence community fix them but don't blab your mouth merely to demonstrate your moral superiority for the sake of getting votes.

Am I steamed about this ? You betcha.

What I find amusing is those that would not vote for McCain on the basis of his V.P. choice. Those people were more concerned about the experience of the #2 in-line than they were about the guy who would actually be #1. Obama's inexperience is showing. But what else can you expect from a community organizer.

Tibby


Fantastic Article - worth emailing
You can have a good debate on waterboarding - but you can not debate Pelosi's integrity - she's got zero. Debra couldn't have made a better case.

twisted minds and tongues
Pelosi and Reid must go away....they are surely the prime perpetrators of the demise of the United States, self serving and demonic in their abuse of authority...I feel in jepardy everytime one of them opens their mouth and spews foul garbage, they need to go.

Entitled to her own Facts
Best article on the subject I've read - she clearly feels entitled to say whatever fits her own agenda. She's different from your typical corrupt politician like Dodd or Murtha in that neither of those guys seem to be insane.

Ms. Saunders
Good column. You have layed out the dims delemma. Go after Pres. Bush, and burn thenselves. Yes lets bring on the "truth commission". Lets see what was done, and who knew, and what the info gained was.
Kirk

Traitor's
I still Wonder as to why there has and is no lawyer out there who has not filed treason charges upon Pelosi, Reid, Dodd,Frank, and others who have with full knowledge, put forth legislation that undermined our country's national security, our people ability to pursue life liberty and the pursuit of happiness..
Have worked to undermine our morals & ethics and turn this country into a welfare state with the people dependent upon the government for their needs.
These life long poloticions must be removed from office and people with clear thinking be installed with good morals, ethics, an personal responsibility.

Doctor Douglas-expand those credentials
Here in Obama's Chicago there is a street gang whose initiation is to get a PHD. To get your PHD,one has to be beaten about the head until it swells up like a pumpkin.PHD?-Pumpkin Head Deluxe

Torture and Obama
Isn't Obama using enhanced interrogation techniques for simple political advantage? The proof is that when memos regarding their use was made public he redacted any mention of what info was gained from their use. The MSM of course runs with his half baked definintion of these techniques as torture.


Speaking of something that should offend the moral code of every American. How about a president who calls a racist fool, Jeremiah Wright, his mentor. What about a president who spent twenty three years as a willing contributor to and member of a church which as an article of faith states blacks are "captives" in an America designed to "kill and/or imprison them" and orchestrates a society where "blacks kill one another."

Black victimhood's greatest believers are located in the pews at Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago, IL where our president was baptized, married and attended with his wife and children. Black racism is just as evil as white. When your pastor and mentor tells you that black on black crime is the fault of ole whitey there is no hope of reconciliation in this land.

Thought he was "one of us"
Being interviewed by John Stewart on the Daley Show ,bragging about all the "progress" from Obamaland-then Stewart asks-"How we gonna pay for all this stuff, after all, aren't we broke?"
Then her eyes started bulging, and I think her face wwas about to crack off.

Truth Commission
let's have a truth commission! Not to indict Republicans or the Bush administration but rather to show just how duplicitous the Democrats are.

Say it
Pelosi is a liar. Just say it. Watching all the talking heads trying to be politic is like fingernails on a chalk board.

Pelosi is a damn liar, as usual. Just say it! It's so liberating.

Torture and abortion
are always horrible to contemplate. But there are worse things. In the cases where worse than torture or abortion would occur, either one is justified. Judgement is a big help in making the evaluation. My personal opinion is that lousy judgements take place roughly a million times more in abortion decisions compared to torture decisions. At least here in the good ol' US of A.

Hmm
I guess that latest Botox injection must have penetrated the skull.

HR 1913
I posted on Mike Adams article about this hate crime bill and how dangerous it is....

The Hate Crime law, HR-1913, will make 30 sexual orientations federally-protected. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has published 30 such sexual orientations that, because of Congress's refusal to define "sexual orientation," will be protected under this legislation. These 30 orientations are listed in the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), which is used by physicians, psychologists, social workers, nurses, and psychiatrists throughout the U.S
Among these 30 "orientations" are incest and pedophelia........IF a defendant is on trial for either of these two, and the prosecuting attorneydescribes a "disgusting act" could not the defendants attorney claim that this is hate speech and a protected activity. Do these people have any idea of the laws they are passing. kinda like the stimulus/budget they passed and did not read.

It's A Hillary Thing
You know Mrs Saunders, I remember that Hillary Clinton, had the same problem that Nancy Pelosi had. Both were mislead. When the AIG thing happened it was Democrats that were mislead by their own bill. Mrs. Pelosi is like Hillary Clinton in another way, remember when she was under sniper fire, it was a lie. Fast forward to Nancy, and I believe when the documents are forced to be released by the ACLU, Fair and Balanced folks, we will know that Nancy lied too. As my President said..."bring it own".

Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire
From my observations, all politicians lie. But, it seems to me that the Democrats lie more, spin more, cherry pick facts, and obfuscate more--all in the name of "truth," of course! When they use all these tactics to push their leftist agenda--with most Americans falling for it--then America is in deep trouble. Remember, the founding fathers were conservatives.

Reba RE: Napolitano
As a resident of Arizona, my only regret is that His Perfect Highness couldn't put her in some 'harmless' position. Say Undersecretary of Agriculture responsible for farming on ice.

I'm glad she's no longer our Governor, which is about the only good thing about her selection.

Democrats and facts
It is amazing to listen to the "tortured" spin by Democrats when they are caught in their own political tactics. When confronted by their actual words, to a very specific question, caught on video tape, they twist themselves in knots to explain why what they said is not what they meant.

It is time to hold their feet to the fire and rub their noses in their own words and stop allowing them to slip through the crack back into their den of political skullduggery.

"Accountability" must be the new mantra from the people. This article is a good start but it is not nearly hard-hitting enough.

How is it that "progressive" Democrats
can think it is highly immoral to pour water down the nose of people who are out to kill thousands, if not millions, of Americans, but will go to tremendous lengths to protect people who make their living by ripping the tiny bodies of human babies limb from limb? How can such people think they are morally superior to those who would protect the lives of such babies, and call those who protest their horrific deaths "terrorists?"
"Woe to those who call 'good' evil and 'evil' good." (Isaiah)

Inheritance
Pelosi was awarded a political career by her father. Too bad pro-choice wasnt a stronger machine in those days. We might have been spared.
Pelosi the ranking member = putrid tool

GONE TO FAR WITH WOMEN'S RIGHTS
In the 1970's I was very supportive of the women's liberation movement to enable women to
attain any position they were capable of. 30 years have passed and we must have scraped the bottom of the barrel to find capable women to fill certain positions. I am ashamed of my gender that promotes Nancy Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Janet Napolitano,and Sebelius.

Surely you guys did not support these cretins!
Send them back to the kitchen!


Dr Douglas...Q/A, Please
Q: If a person currently in the hands of authority knew where your child was buried alive, with time an obviously critical factor, would you wish that person to be waterboarded to extract the location?

A: (Fill in the blank)

(Alternate Q: Make it the child of SOMEONE ELSE.)

Dr. Douglas...Q?A Please
Q: It a person currently in the hands of authority knew where your child was buried alive, with time an obviously critical factor, would you wish that person to be waterboarded to extract the location?

A: (Fill in the blank)

(Alternate Q: Make it the child of SOMEONE ELSE.)

Direct Message to Nancy Pelosi
My thought of the allegations of torture of Iraqi prisioners is-"If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner's scrotum to a car's battery cable will save one American GI's life, then I have just two things to say: "Red is positive" and Black is negative".

Pelosi
This woman is a joke. Once all is exposed she will simply say it was not clear to HER. She is a game player and should be ashamed of herself---oh wait--you would have to be a moral person to be ashamed---my-bad!!!!

Exposure
Let her talk! Add Harry Reid to the talking list too! Everytime one of these "intelligent" folks speak, the liberal media can't help but put them on TV! It gives more and more people a chance to see how utter incompetent, irresponsible and completely on another planet these two are. The more we see, the more we remember. We will remember everytime we go to the polls. These are the people who are running our beloved country. The more exposure these two get, the more people will see.

Isn't Pelosi the Liar?
I truly believe Nasty Nancy needs to be given a drug test. Delusional thinking is a side effect of drug addiction, alcoholism and dementia.

LYING HOUSE SPEAKER
The reason that House Speaker Pelosi has such a large mouth is because she has stretched it from talking out of both sides.
"I swear there are no earmarks in this bill" - Nancy Pelosi, February 2009 in an interview with Wolf Blitzer
"Yes, your Holiness, I am a good Catholic and don't support my party on abortion"- Nancy Pelosi - March 2009, to the Pope
"I never heard that waterboarding was to be used for enhanced interrogations" - Nancy Pelosi, April 2009, to the American people.

Yes Nancy, we can see your lying eyes. You have become a disgrace and embarassment in your position.




coming soon to a nation near you
The Truth Commission isn't enough. There are whole facets of the economy and populous that need to have their eyes opened. It's time for the Ministry of Truth. Only then will we truly love Big...

papers
There will be no papers released that would show dems in a bad light

Ignore the Troll
Dougie the doofas is up early. Ignoring trolls is often the most effective response to their dribbling socialist drivel.

Pelousy has no scruples, of course, and looked to make some political advantage for herself and her fellow dims, until Goss and Hoekstra turned the light back on her. As a typical dimocrap cockroach she is now searching for a dark corner to run to.

Interesting that her spokesdummy Brendan Daly noted that she is "generally" interested in transparency - translation, it is good as long as it is being applied to someone other than herself.

Conservatives can fervently hope that once more Darwin will have been proved right - that these morons will be self-selected out of the gene pool and the political pool as a result of their incredible stupidity.


PRINCESS NANNY SUCKS
She ain't worth a plugged nickel.

THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE is driving a stake in the heart of liberalism today. (Click on my name to check it out).

Don't miss the NEW Conservative youth movement.

Libs beware!

ALSO, the GOUGE on Arlen "The Defecator" SPECTURD.

Alert!!!
Dangerous Hate Crime Legislation passed.
Dangerous Hate Crime Legislation passed.
Hate Crimes legislation has just passed in the House of Reps.

Hate Crimes legislation will be twisted and misinterpreted to mean anything.

The purpose of hate crimes legislation is to take away our freedoms. INcluding freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

Hate Crimes legislation is intended to silence the pulpits around the country.

Do not let the Senate pass this legislation.

OBAMA has promised to sign it

Dougie.............




........you are an absolute moron. Did your mother not raise you to keep your mouth shut if you didn't know what you were talking about? (that's a set up, we already know the answer)

Torture? Crimes? Are you REALLY that stupid?

THESE TERRORIST ARE TRYING TO KILL US. IF WE HAVE TO POUR A LITTLE WATER ON THEIR HEADS TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING, SO BE IT.

You don't have a clue of what the real world is like sport, and that is sad, considering your "Professor Emeritus" status. That means you have spewed your crap to countless minds of mush in their formative years, and likely poisoned them. How sad for us all.

Next time you feel compelled to share your "intelligence", do everyone a favor and just sit quietly with your mouth shut and your fingers still.

Make your mother proud - for once.


A make-believe column

Just so that you people understand how dishonest this column is, note that Saunders starts her third paragraph with these amazing words!

"The rest of the reality may well be this: "

Then she proceeds to present Pelosi in the worst possible light.

Why do you think all the republican hacks are writing these kinds of articles? It's extremely simple: Their Bush Administration committed horrible crimes which they don't want investigated. Simple as that.

If Pelosi and others were involved, so be it. The source of these crimes was still overwhelmingly republican.

Bush did good
It's true that pinko Pelosi knew all about what was going on otherwise she would never use the term enhanced interrogation.
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