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Sunday, April 05, 2009
Paul Jacob :: Townhall.com Columnist
Thirteen states point to a new future?
by Paul Jacob
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What do 13 states — Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington — have that other states of the union lack?

Each of our United States has great people and not-so-great politicians. So what sets these states apart?

Medical marijuana. Each has passed legislation to allow marijuana to be used by patients of legitimate doctors, if prescribed.

In the bulk of these states it was the citizens who initiated the reform as ballot measures and citizens who voted medical marijuana into law. Other initiative states have tried and failed, and at least one state is in the process of placing a medical marijuana initiative before the voters. Which one? Florida.

Few people remember this, but, in his run for the presidency, George W. Bush pledged to honor state law regarding medical marijuana. But once in office, Bush broke his word and set the power and weight of the federal government against legally established marijuana outlets, doctors, and patients. Many are in jail, now. Many are dead, after their fights with cancer or AIDS (for example) took them, and after being harassed by the federal government. And still others await trial.

Such was the state of affairs as President Obama took office. He, too, had promised to back off of voter-approved, doctor-prescribed cannabis use in states that had approved that use. “I’m not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue,” he stated. Would he honor his pledge, where Bush dishonored his?

Judging by his heavily nuanced approach to other campaign promises, there may not seem much reason to expect consistent follow-through.

But the recession does give medical marijuana activists some cause for hope. The recession seems to be worsening, and current policy indicates that a greater worsening is likely. The whole debacle looks more and more like Great Depression II.

And during the last Depression, Prohibition was repealed.

So there’s precedent.

Way back then, the states lacked for revenues. They wanted to tax alcohol. The new Democratic Congress followed the new Democratic president’s lead and worked hard to repeal Prohibition.

Now, states struggle with falling tax revenues, and again scavenge for something — anything — to tax.

But of course, medical marijuana won’t help them much. To really work as a funding source, it is recreational marijuana that would have to be legalized and taxed.

And even on this front there is some motion, as the decriminalization movement again revives. In Massachusetts, in 2008, the people voted to move marijuana possession offenses from felony to misdemeanor status, charging $500 fines for one ounce or less. Once again, this was an attempt by people to take a volatile issue out of the hands of less-than-trustworthy politicians.

Such decriminalization is a long way from a free market in drugs, of course. As of now, a free market in drugs does not meet the approval of the general population. And an even greater percentage of politicians are resistant to the idea. Whereas the people may fear damage done by the stoned, zonked, and pixilated — or, less logically, the damage done by “drug violence” (which is mostly, admit it, prohibition-related violence) — politicians almost certainly fear loss of power, the loss of a never-ending crusade to milk for cheap votes.

For years, the fear of widespread recreational marijuana usage rested more on a domino — or “gateway drug” — effect than on its intrinsic pharmacological properties. As psychoactive drugs go, the weed seems a tad safer than alcohol. You can ruin your life on either drug, of course (the road to hell offers many convenient on-ramps), but a lot of people who use it don’t ruin their lives in the usage. That’s simply the truth. So the rationale for prohibition of marijuana has rested on the fact that some people (a minority) do hurt themselves with it, and that those who use it are more likely to try harder drugs. Marijuana prohibition is all about “nipping it in the bud,” so to speak.

Medical marijuana, on the other hand, is not, on the face of it, about recreational use — though excitement from recreational users has surely spurred the movement. (They like their drug; they tend to think it a panacea.) Several of the ingredients in the cannabis plant have properties that can be used for a number of medical purposes, including decreasing nausea and increasing appetite, problems associated with current cancer treatments and the symptoms of AIDS.

But legalizing recreational marijuana imparts to the drug some advantages that legal medicines possess as a matter of course:

    1. Legal drugs mean safer drugs, less chance for random “experimenters" to overdose or get poisoned by impure product.

    2. Legal drugs mean less violence, an end to gang warfare as the market for these drugs shifts to, say, Walgreens or the local druggist.

    3. Legal drugs mean that we can focus on responsibility, concentrate on holding people responsible for their actions, not intrusively prying into their ingestions of this substance or that.

But we seem to be a long way from a culture of responsible drug users . . . and non-users. The hysteria associated with the War on Drugs will continue to infect politics for some time.

In the near term, citizens in increasing numbers of states are taking the right to determine what is acceptable and what is unacceptable away from the federal government and placing it upon themselves. I don’t see how supporters of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments — or, as in my case, the initiative process — can oppose this.

And it does appear that the Obama administration is backing off from the Justice Department’s raids on state-sanctioned medical marijuana dispensaries and consumers. A week or so ago Attorney General Eric Holder insisted that the raids would cease. What Obama promised during the campaign, Holder said, “is now American policy.”

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Florida Medical Cannibis
How do I join in the fight and where canh I sign the petition?

Gateway drugs!!!???
Anything with pecans in it, key lime pie, wild turkey and water, thin sliced Idaho spuds fried golden brown with Valdalia onions and fresh garlic, Southern fried chicken, any kind of beer as long as it's draught and cold...whew! I'm gettn' a terrible urge to indulge my addiction to those gateway drugs. Can't hep it. Help, help!...but later, OK? Like when I can't fit in my 'bibber's' anymore.

Final Thoughts
Alot of these posts have a naive premise. The assertion that, "If only we legalize all drugs, drug-related crime will disappear," is wrong. Drug-related crime will not disappear just as legalizing the use of alcohol didn't get rid of any of the bad effects or crimes commited while under the influence of alcohol. Tell me this: do you want to subsidize drug use? Do you want to allow drug marketers to advertise? Those who cannot afford their drugs will continue to steal and kill others to get them. How would legalizing drugs stop drug users from beating, robbing and killing? Regardless of posts basically equating marijuana with green tea, marijuana is far more dangerous than alcohol and cigarettes. Frequent use of marijuana causes paranoia, short-term memory loss, and other serious long-term effects, like cancer. Trying to make it appear as an innocuous rite of passage is a big, fat lie. There is something inherently damaged im an individual who doesn't want to be in control of his or her faculties. It's a character flaw, immorality, immaturity or whatever you choose to call it. As a society we should encourage people to be responsible. There is no such thing as "responsible drug use".

Drug use ruins lives, not just the lives of those who use - but everyone connected with that individual. I know because I've experienced this with several family members and unless you've been through it, you cannot understand it. Laws banning drugs are desirable and should be enforced.

Libertarians simplistic view the world as one-dimensional with every decision boiled down to cost-benefit analyses is short-sighted and inaccurate. Unfortunately, it ignores the moral dimension of law.

Legalization diminishes crime...
I consider myself a conservative. My belief, based on experience living in a regime where there were more laws of "prohibition" than individual freedom, would love to see legalization of "natural" drugs. All substances that come from God made plants is healthier that laboratory concocted substances, that have more side effects than beneficial effects. History clearly proves that de-legalizing naturally growing so called "noxious" substances, enriches the undesirable layers of society: namely people who choose to get rich outside the law. I never smoked pot, and have no desire to do so. I smoke cigarettes, and absolutely don't believe in the campaign to out-tax this naturally growing substance because of the propaganda that it is responsible for the myriads of age related illnesses (like cancer and respiratory illnesses) to be directly linked to tobacco smoking. Logically it does not add up that the generation that smoked cigarettes unfettered by clean air laws, is the longest living generation in history. Same goes for the cholesterol "myth".
Getting back to marijuana, it obviously has medical benefits for some illnesses, so its illegality does not make any sense since it only keeps it on the "black market" in the hands of criminal thugs. Hopefully this is a first step to re-consider drug laws at large, and hopefully end the costly and un-winnable "war on drugs" led by the government cabal.

How to Legalize Marijuana?
So suppose we legalized marijuana tomorrow -- who is then going to manufacture the stuff?

Wouldn't the manufacturing of marijuana be somewhat similar to that of cigarettes? So marijuana would be grown as a crop similar to tobacco and the overhead associated with that. Then it would be shipped to a manufacturing plant and that cost is added to the overhead. The cost of the operation of the plant, the equipment, etc. and the labor cost would be added to the overall cost.

Then the product will need to be advertised, marketed and shipped to local distributors.

When we add-up all the associated costs of legally producing marijuana, plus the taxes that would be added to it, wouldn't the price of a pack of marijuana "cigs" so to speak, be pretty high? Unlike cigarettes, where people might smoke a pack or two a day and will buy them by the cartons, I don't think marijuana smokers will light-up 20 to 40 smokes a day, would they? And so if a 20 pack of marijuanas would last someone a week, two weeks, a month or whatever...wouldn't the price have to be pretty high for anyone to make money off of selling it legally?

And I have to believe, that if it were profitable to legally manufacture marijuana, the tobacco companies with their lobbying power over the years, would have it legalized a long time ago.

Doug FL
I hate to see people that need a job get black balled for smoking pot or cigarettes so it really doesn’t matter what the laws are the employers and the insurance companies
are going to make the rules in the work place.

America is bleeding money to the Arabs because of oil.

America is bleeding money to China because of labor and health care cost.

America is bleeding money to drug producing countries.

America has a giant hole in its pocket and at some point someone is going to plug
Those holes to prevent the further decline in our economy.

Did I mention the cost of big government and the bail out of Wall Street gamblers?

Rich
Sounds like your friend would be better off married to a pot smoker. I've heard of many cases of alcoholics behaving as you described, but I've never heard of a pot smoker acting like that.

Tammy
You're right, alcohol is definitely more dangerous than pot. It is more toxic to the brain and body, and it causes much more violent behavior. However, your assumption that Obama will not continue the status quo is in error; Clinton and Bush both smoked pot in their youth, and neither did a thing about the war on drugs.

Pirate Rob
Conditions of employment are not the same as laws. Nobody's forced to work anywhere.

Paul Jacob
I don't know if you were seriously attempting
to persuade people that Obama would be against
the legalization of marijuana, but my guess is
that as a former user himself, he is not likely
the push continued banning of it.

I certainly think that there should be no more
ban or marijuana than there is for alcohol.
In fact, I think that alcohol is more dangerous.

Cigarette smoking breath test
More then 90% of Michigan employers have some kind of Cigarette smoking ban at work.

Weyco Company fired smokers if they didn’t stop smoking.

The health care insurance companies are going to end up making the rules and if the government takes over health care the government will do the same.

Drug Testing at Work
That last two places I worked for “drug tested” new hires and an amazing amount of the new hires were shown the door after the drug tests came back positive.

Job opportunities are rare for the better paying jobs so if they legalize drugs it will mean more job opportunities for the people who don’t do drugs.

Random drug testing for jobs that have high risk are common.

Drug testing for people that have attendance, quality, and productivity problems are also common in the work place.

Michigan has a company that test for cigarette smokers and has fired people for not quitting the smoking habit. (Health care cost) this company won in court.

How can a plant be illegal?
I don't see how the government has the right to make a naturally occurring plant illegal. This is another government intrusion into our lives that makes our lives worse. Drug violence kills communities. It is the bane of most inner cities in America and costs Billions of dollars per year. This policy makes no sense. It is also cruel to deny use of this drug to suffering patients. How can people care more about stem cells than actual suffering cancer victims?

This comment brought to you by a staunch conservative. Legalization of marijuana is not a liberal idea.

bluejacjet co
I'm saying alcohol makes you do some stupid things,that in mind someone behind the wheel will do stupid things.Same with the medical use of this so called drug;who's to say they to will not do some stupid things as it literally destroys brain cells!

Doug
"A loser who wastes his life smoking pot in front of the TV is no different from a loser who sits in front of the TV drinking alcohol; the only victim is himself."

Careful here - I have a friend with an alcoholic wife. She can refuse treatment, so she lies in her own filth and threatens to kill the dog, burn the house down, and chop up the piano. She doesn't eat, and for all the times in rehab...never mind. You need to meet the spouse and family of one before you call it victimless, and check your insurance premiums again.

Questions about medical useº
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What I have not clarified is that medical use of does not involve smoking "POT".

It is the recovery in a nearly tar like form of the oil of one variety of the cannabis. It is the applicatio0n and taking of small quantities of that oil that cures.

I, personally, have no wish to see drunks on the road nor to partake of the smoking. As for drunks, we already have those and always will whether legal or not.

But all the drunks don't make up for the lives being lost because the pharmaceuticals want us to buy their poisons, "chemotherapy", which is very expensive and only partially successful. How partial, very low depending on using their numbers or others. They are the criminals.
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David
Your post is based on the assumption that legalization would lead to increased use. A false assumption in my opinion. Ask all the people you know who abstain from heroin and crack if the reason they abstain is because they're illegal. Your concern about how drug use affects nonusers is a valid one, but look at what happens to us as a result of prohibition. Addicts have to resort to violence to support their habits. Sellers are much more violent when drugs are illegal, just like with alcohol in the 1920s. Prisons overcrowded with harmless losers release truly dangerous people early. DA's overwhelmed with drug cases have neither the time, manpower, or budgets to prosecute real criminals, so they plea bargain. Murder becomes manslaughter, GTA becomes larceny, rape becomes simple assault. 25 to life becomes 3 to 5 with time off for good behavior, and these violent thugs are released to prey upon us some more. All because we can't leave alone some loser who wants to waste his life doing bong hits in front of the television.

not a sensible column or discussion
There are two points at which legalization of such drugs affects the population at large. The first is in respect to the extent which the user resorts to the health care or the welfare system. Abuse of alcohol is bad enough; widespread use and abuse of mind and conduct altering drugs would require the non-using citizen to be a constant care-giver to all who choose to incapicate themselves by recreational drug use.

The second point relates to the degree in which drug induced conduct threatens or harms others.

Our society is one in which all are taxed to support such users and, also, one in which users who are so incapicated are often not held liable for their actions by the courts.

Would we want to live in the society which would result from such increased drug use? I wouldn't and I suspect neither would most of us.

Earl
He has done both; he has kept some promises, broken others. Just like almost every other politician. I don't recall him ever saying anything one way or the other about marijuana. Do you?

What will Obama do about Mary Jane?
The answer is a simple question.

Has he done anything that he said he would do, and has he not done things that he said that he would not do?

Abolish the FDA...
if you like, but legalizing pot is not a step toward this. If anything it is another excuse for more governmental regulation. Also, the notion that legalization of pot will suddenly result in the appearance of commercial pot in drug stores, helping to defray the cost of government by the tax revenue it will produce is an idiotic fantasy. Very few if any companies will risk the potential liability of mass-producing a mind-altering substance like this in today's litigious atmosphere. The only real answer is to take the whole issue out of the hands of government. Abolish the FDA.

Legalize more drugs?
We have serious problems with alcohol and driving. Also, alcohol is considered by those of us who are in law enforcement and worked in law enforcement to be the drug of violence. Marihuana distorts time and space and those that use it will tell you that it does not. The medical marihuana is being used as a ruse for people to get intoxicated that have no medical problems. If all drugs are rendered legal there will be no need for a prescription system. Also, legalization will not change the behavior of drugs users and abusers. They will still drive under the influence. They will stil commit crimes because they are not employable.

Stan,
I don't believe that alcohol MAKES people idiots, if you start with an idiot, and add alcohol, the result is carnage. My point is, even if you subtract the alcohol, what's left?

MAKING IT EASIER FOR PEDOPHILES
SEXUAL DEVIANTS ARE ATTACKING ON ALL KINDS OF FRONTS PROMOTING THE WRITINGS OF JUSTICE GINSBERG. LOOK AT HER DEVIANT MANIFESTO IS NOT EVERY RECOMMENDATION OF GINSBERG NOW BEING TRIED TO MAKE LEGAL IN SOME STATE COURT OR ANOTHER. INTOXICATION NO LONGER CRIMES, SEX WITH ANYONE IS ALL LEGAL AND AGE MATTERS NOT ONCE OVER ELEVEN. STOP THE MADNESS, AT LEAST ALCOHOL OPPONENTS OF MADD WILL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR TOUGH DRIVING LAWS. BUT TODAY WITH CHURCH LEADERS NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE THEIR IS VERY FEW FIGHTING FOR ABSTAINERS RIGHTS ONCE SOMEONE IS OUT OF SCHOOL. SEXUAL DEVIANCY BY ANY ONE TOWARD ANOTHER THAT CAN PROVE THROUGH DNA THEY ARE PRACTICING ABSTAINING SHOULD BE A SEX CRIME. ACCORDING TO A PRESIDENT CLINTON EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REPEALED IT IS.

The War on Drugs and Federal Bullying
The disasterous War on Drugs is a direct violation of our Constitution and an expensive white elephant. Weed is exactly that, a WEED! The illegality is nothing less than a vehicle to promote Big Brother ordering your life around.
~Beware of the govenment that can supply all your needs. For it can withold them also.~ Thomas Jefferson
Blackjuju:(#23) You missed one major contributor of cannibus becoming illegal. I was a threat to the business interests of J.Ranfolph Hearst and Henry DuPont. Hearst had extensive lumber concerns, to supply his papers with wood pulp. DuPont was about to release his new invention, nylon. Hemp (as it was known then) would be a more economical alternative to lumber. Instead of taking an average of 15 years for a fast-growing fir tree to replace itself, hemp would replace itself yearly. Hemp can be used for a WIDE range of fabrics, unlike nylon, and is MUCH cheaper! And it could be grown by anyone, thus destroying Hearst's & DuPont's monopolies! They HEAVILY financed a public program to demonize cannibus, not to mention promoting anti-Mexican sentiments. (racism) Not because it was a public danger, merely because it endangered two rich industrialist's financial interests.
The idea that we're not responsible for our actions, thus we must have Big Brother there ordering our lives, is an old myth promoted by our government. Remember court cases where obviously guilty people got away with crimes because of abusive childhoods, everyday emotional problems and even the dreaded Twinkie! This promotes the idea that we need laws to protect ourselves from ourselves. Sheer nonsense, but useful for legalizing Big Brother's increased control over his subjects.
It's time for a Second American Revolution! Time we reorder our governments back onto constitutional grounds.

simple fidelis
Yeah,they made liquior legal too,and look how many idiots kill themselves and others on the road!Not to mention all the child abuse and rape because some looney got drunk!

WHY NOT
Then we all can start our own garden and sell big time.WHAT? Well,thats where it's heading!

MEDICAL USE
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MARIJUANA WAS USED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AS MEDICINE.

Most of you have no idea of it's possibilities already known to some. Curing cancer is just the tip of the iceberg, yes, I said curing.

The Pharmaceutical companies, humongous in size and wealth, are the only reason it was and is labeled as dangerous. Before a century ago it was not only legal, it was considered very important and highly used.

Legalization of that "drug", as presently defined would be a great step in bettering all our lives and saving 100's of thousands of lives "at very low cost".

Open the doors and windows and let in a little light where it is very much needed. The Canadian Supreme court recently opened some windows "of hope". It's our turn to for4get what "you were told" and see for ourselves the reality of medical use.

Since I have a "touch" of cancer I have thoroughly investigated what I am saying. Let's move toward light, not away from it.

Screw the Pharmaceutical giants. We are the country, not them.
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blackjuju
Don't forget Arnold. He did it on film. After winning his 6th consecutive Mr. Olympia. With a big smile on his face. Why didn't that hurt his marketability the way it did Michael Phelps?

A Good Start
The use of cannibis is trivial compared to the issue of States Rights. If this opens the gate for states to reassert their constitutionally granted right to sovereignty I'm all for it. Then maybe we can re-establish that sovereignty in areas that really matter like education, wellfare, abortion, promiscuity, etc.

Barack Obama, George W. Bush,
Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Sarah Palin have all smoked Cannibis. They were fortunate enough to avoid arrest and prosecution. For those that aren't as fortunate, a criminal record follows them for life.

Power Grab
Has the fed just now discovered the profit margin from the sale of hemp? I totally disagree with the legalization of it because it's purpose is not to benefit we the people, but the thugs in DC. The legalization SHOULD surround the ability of each person to grow his own. Selling it would then be criminal. Hence, end of marijuana problems.

Reasons Cannibis is illegal
1. Gangsters are getting filthy rich from prohibition.
2. A fortune in tax money supports a large segment of the criminal justice system.
3. Cannibis would be difficult to tax.
4. Industrial uses of the Cannibis plant would directly compete with pulpwood,cotton,existing biofuels and many petroleum based products.
5. Cannibis could cut into the alcoholic beverage market.

How do you tax it ?
Cannibis is such an easily grown weed that anyone can grow a high quality product. This is one of the many reasons that it remains illegal. Growers would need to be licensed with civil fines levied on unlicensed growers. Tax stamps for possesion could also be used.

Caeri
The horrifying scene you described occurred with drugs illegal. That's how ineffective drug prohibition is.

No brainer
"But we seem to be a long way from a culture of responsible drug users..."

How can people learn responsibility when they are never GIVEN responsibility?

Adults that are kept in a perpetual child like state by the government, be it regarding drug use or anything else, will continue to be children.

Cannibis isn't an addictive drug.
There always someone that says that he's not going to pay for rehab for legal drug users . First of all, arrest, trial, probation and incarceration cost much more than rehab ever would. So, if we're talking about legalizing all drugs here, education and rehabilitation would be much more effective and cost less than what taxpayers are spending now. If we're just talking about Cannibis (Marijuana is a term coined by prohibitionists to cash in on anti-Mexican sentiment in the 1930's) , rehab isn't an issue.

Dilemma
I think it's disingenuous for Jacob to claim that simply legalizing marijuana will reduce or eliminate gang violence. As others have pointed out, only complete legalization of all drugs has a hope of doing that. I'd venture to say that the worst of the violence is related to harder drugs like meth and heroin.

Last year at the high school where I teach, I watched two police officers, an assistant principal, and two paramedics, all big men, wrestle a 5'5" girl onto a stretcher with restraints. She was so hopped up on cheese that they could barely control her. In cases like these, I am truly torn. On one hand, I believe intrusive government leads to tyranny. On the other hand, I see young people permanently ruining their lives with highly addictive drugs. Will the complete legalization of drugs stop this from happening, or will kids still find ways to get stronger and riskier drugs? Of course, they're illegal now and large numbers of kids are still getting them!

Alecto
No I wouldn't legalize kiddie porn, because kiddie porn has innocent victims. A loser who wastes his life smoking pot in front of the TV is no different from a loser who sits in front of the TV drinking alcohol; the only victim is himself. As long as neither one of these losers is driving, I say leave them both alone.

As for kiddie porn, shoot any adult involved in the head. I'll pull the trigger myself.

Doug
Most people cannot comprehend or handle what it means to live in a free society - we are a nation of babies tended by the nanny state. That nanny state is growing and becoming more oppressive. As long as that situation persists - I want no drugs legalized. No way, no how!

Aside from that, the idea that somehow morality doesn't inform our laws and that we ought to somehow ignore morality when we enact laws is ridiculous. Ergo my statement about kiddie porn. It may be very cost effective to legalize kiddie porn - would you do it? Somehow, I doubt it.

Maynard
The repeal of prohibition reduced violence, and weakened the Mafia. They did find other ways to make money, drugs being one of them, prostitution another. Labor unions too.

Joel
What is your position on federal authority to control drugs that cross state or national borders? I see that authority as genuine.
I'm all for legalizing med use of MJ. I'm also in favor of letting states decide their own path on recreational use provided the source has NOT come from outside the state. Once any part of the process of growing, manufacturing or transporting the items cross that state line, it is the feds business, no matter you agree with the rule or not.

Dan
Well said! I couldn't agree more. That's why, in 20 years of voting, I've never voted for a Republican or a Democrat. I voted for Ron Paul in my first election in 1988, and I sent him money during the primaries this time, another first. I never thought I'd send money to a politician. Voluntarily, that is.

Violence?
"2. Legal drugs mean less violence, an end to gang warfare as the market for these drugs shifts to, say, Walgreens or the local druggist. "

While there may be a temperary downturn in violence, does anyone really think that the gangs and cartels will suddenly say 'Well, since pot is now leagal, we will have to find honest jobs?'

No, they will find other means to make money, which probably will be just as violent, or maybe more so.

Beware of what you wish for
Conservatives who feel they need to control other's self destructive actions, justify the use of liberals desires to control other's income. It's a choice between freedom and statism. So if you want to use government force to stop someone from smoking a joint in their own home, then be prepared to allow liberals to use government for their purposes of redistributing income and subsidizing irresponsibility.

Wouldn't it be better if we limit government to national defense and resolution of conflicts between individuals? All government action is force, and I say it's better to have less use of force in the world.

Alecto
As I said in my post, I do not use drugs, legal or otherwise, because there are consequences. I agree that using drugs is immoral. I think smoking and drinking are immoral, but I don't want them outlawed. I believe sex outside of marriage is immoral, but I don't want to throw people in jail for doing it. From the tone of your post, it seems that you want the government to micromanage people's lives and make their moral choices for them. I believe this is a greater evil than the evils you want government to stamp out. God gave humans freedom of choice; politicians ought not take that freedom away. In addition, as I mentioned in my previous post, drug laws do not work. Illegal drugs are easier for kids to buy than legal ones. Dope dealers don't ask for ID. They don't close during the wee hours or on weekends or holidays. You said you don't want to pay for rehab. Neither do I. I also don't want to pay for food and housing for a jailed pot smoker who was working and paying taxes before the government imprisoned him. I also don't want to have to fear violent predators who were released early due to the prison overcrowding caused by the useless war on drugs.

I don't get it
"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog."
---G.K. Chesterton

If you'd asked me in 1970 if pot would be legal in 2009, I'd have said, "Are you crazy? Of course!"

I cannot see why a minor vice regularly indulged in by at least 10% of the population, and which has been tried by about half, (including the last three presidents!) will still get you time and a record.

That's not rhetorical, I literally don't understand.

In cases like this, the wise rule is 'follow the money,' but who profits from prohibition except for the bureaucrats in a few departments?

What gives?

Take Your Drugs and Shove Them
Along with your push to legalize pot, heroin, crack, etc... will come the mandatory drug rehab programs for which I shouldn't have to pay but will inevitably be presented with the check. There is no avoiding what Obama is doing to healthcare. There is no avoiding paying for drug rehab for people who refuse to control their behavior.

Americans want to be able to do everything and anything while simultaneously avoiding the consequences of their actions. The U.S. is now a bunch of fat, lazy crybabies - gimme gimme gimme is the national motto. If you want to ruin your life either through debt or drugs, by all means go right ahead. Don't try and stick me with the bill for your bad choices.

Drugs are immoral. Law is the codifying of a nation's morality. Therefore, it is appropriate to ban drugs and an array of other behavior. People who use the argument that we aren't winning the war on drugs will probably also want to legalize prostitution, kiddie porn, etc... Forget it.

Legalize all drugs
Then tax them at local, state, and fed. levels.

Eliminate the street crime and inner-city degradation their illegal status compels.

Close down one gov't bureaucracy, the DEA, that would save BILLIONS.

End Delta Force' marauding in S. Am. countries that aleady hate us. Send them to Afghanistan.

Allow Columbian and Afghanistan peasants to grow crops they can actually earn money for.

End public schools as the major recruitment and distribution centers for drugs in every community.

Release the 75%% in prison who are incarcerated for non-violent drug convictions: mostly minority and mostly young black males under 30.

Free young minority women from forced prostitution to support their habits or in service to local drug lords in their neighborhoods.

Let drs. prescribe medically pure drugs, no worries then about adulterated street versions, and let pharmacies administer the product.

Put movies and tv shows like the *Cheech and Chong* horrors and *Weed* or *Breaking Bad* tv krap on TV LAND re-runs at 2 am in the morning.

If initially, there is some increased in drug use (and we really know that all drug stats are suspect for their self reporting and the minimal numbers encountered by law enforcement), the figures will even out. 600,000 heroin addicts appesrs to be a stable number over decades.

HIV spread by dirty needle would eventually disappear as all users would get fresh supplies from drugstores.

And if someone wants to take PCP and fly off a skyscraper under the delusion he/she is Superman, who are we to interfere with self expression, as the ACLU would argue it?

You can't save everyone, but you can save a prohibition failure by legalizing drugs.

The reason I don't smoke
cigarettes is exactly the same reason I don't smoke crack: They're both poison. Whether or not they're legal has nothing to do with it. With cigarettes, it's my choice, as it should be, and I believe I have made the correct choice, i.e., to abstain. With crack, it ought to be my choice as well, but the politicians believe that they own my body and that therefore it is their choice, not mine. To those who think legalization would result in increased use, I suggerst you ask everyone you know who abstains from crack whether their primary reason for doing so is that it's illegal. If you do know any crack smokers, ask them if the drug laws have any effect on availability. My understanding is that crack is more readily available than alcohol, that it can be bought 24/7, weekends and holidays, at drive-through points of sale in almost any public housing facility. That's how big a failure the war on drugs is, and will continue to be. Seems to me, in these times if tight budgets, ceasing this colossal waaste of money would be wise. Of course, I'm not holding my breath; wise is not a word I'd use to describe the average politician.

Joel
Several pundits (including Charles Krauthammer, as I recall) have posited the false choice between China and the Netherlands, between summarily executing drug users and legalizing everything. You've described a workable third way consistent with the Constitution and common sense: let the federal government control traffic across the borders and through the ports -- an extremely good idea, given the number of terrorists and illegal immigrants already on our soil, and a long-neglected duty -- and let the states deal with domestic production and consumption of recreational drugs.

Bush betrayed his word?
Excuse me, but it was the SCOTUS libs that voted down medical marijuana as an interstate commerce violation. No, not Scalia, Thomas, or (at the time) Chief Justice Renquist...but the beloved "freedom fighters".
I am sick of revisionist history.

Look it up: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/ 06/06/AR2005060600564.html Gonzales v. Raich, No. 03-1454.

Writing for the court majority, Justice John Paul Stevens said the case was "troubling" because of users' claims that they needed marijuana to alleviate physical pain and suffering. But he concluded that the court had no choice but to uphold Congress's "firmly established" power to regulate "purely local activities . . . that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce."
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Once that decision is made, it is what is commonly known as "law"...and the sitting President must abide by it, whether fo or against it...Bush was for it, but certainly NOT the cause of the ruling.. I love how the liberal SCOTUS justices, and their decision, are always left out.
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