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Thursday, May 07, 2009
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
White House Puts UAW Ahead of Property Rights
by Michael Barone
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Last Friday, the day after Chrysler filed for bankruptcy, I drove past the company's headquarters on I-75 in Auburn Hills, Mich. As I glanced at the pentagram logo, I felt myself tearing up a little bit. Anyone who grew up in the Detroit area, as I did, can't help but be sad to see a once great company fail.

But my sadness turned to anger later when I heard what bankruptcy lawyer Tom Lauria said on a WJR talk show that morning. "One of my clients," Lauria told host Frank Beckmann, "was directly threatened by the White House and in essence compelled to withdraw its opposition to the deal under threat that the full force of the White House press corps would destroy its reputation if it continued to fight."

Lauria represented one of the bondholder firms, Perella Weinberg, which initially rejected the Obama deal that would give the bondholders about 33 cents on the dollar for their secured debts while giving the United Auto Workers retirees about 50 cents on the dollar for their unsecured debts.

This, of course, is a violation of one of the basic principles of bankruptcy law, which is that secured creditors -- those who loaned money only on the contractual promise that if the debt was unpaid they'd get specific property back -- get paid off in full before unsecured creditors get anything. Perella Weinberg withdrew its objection to the settlement, but other bondholders did not, which triggered the bankruptcy filing.

After that came a denunciation of the objecting bondholders as "speculators" by Barack Obama in his press conference last Thursday. And then death threats to bondholders from parties unknown.

The White House denied that it strong-armed Perella Weinberg. The firm issued a statement saying it decided to accept the settlement, but it pointedly did not deny that it had been threatened by the White House. Which is to say, the threat worked.

The same goes for big banks that have received billions in government TARP money. Many of them want to give back the money, but the government won't let them. They also voted to accept the Chrysler settlement. Nice little bank ya got there, wouldn't want anything to happen to it.

Left-wing bloggers have been saying that the White House's denial of making threats should be taken at face value and that Lauria's statement is not evidence to the contrary. But that's ridiculous. Lauria is a reputable lawyer and a contributor to Democratic candidates. He has no motive to lie. The White House does.

Think carefully about what's happening here. The White House, presumably car czar Steven Rattner and deputy Ron Bloom, is seeking to transfer the property of one group of people to another group that is politically favored. In the process it is setting aside basic property rights in favor of rewarding the United Auto Workers for the support the union has given the Democratic Party. The only possible limit on the White House's power is the bankruptcy judge, who might not go along.

Michigan politicians of both parties joined Obama in denouncing the holdout bondholders. They point to the sad plight of UAW retirees not getting full payment of the health-care benefits the union negotiated with Chrysler. But the plight of the beneficiaries of the pension funds represented by the bondholders is sad, too. Ordinarily you would expect these claims to be weighed and determined by the rule of law. But not apparently in this administration.

Obama's attitude toward the rule of law is apparent in the words he used to describe what he is looking for in a nominee to replace Justice David Souter. He wants "someone who understands justice is not just about some abstract legal theory," he said, but someone who has "empathy." In other words, judges should decide cases so that the right people win, not according to the rule of law.

The Chrysler negotiations will not be the last occasion for this administration to engage in bailout favoritism and crony capitalism. There's a May 31 deadline to come up with a settlement for General Motors. And there will be others. In the meantime, who is going to buy bonds from unionized companies if the government is going to take their money away and give it to the union? We have just seen an episode of Gangster Government. It is likely to be part of a continuing series.

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Too Damn Bad, UAW

I will never buy, for myself or anyone, a crappy, piece of union-made shiite.

Tortious interference with several contracts committed by a bunch of f*cking thugs.

St. Denis
Well, let's see, first the AIG executives get death threats, now the people of Perella Weinberg.

I'm glad now that I drive a foreign car (my very first one, in fact) - and not something made by GM or Chrysler. Hopefully, THEIR sad experience with accepting government money will cause Ford to eschew even the THOUGHT of going down the same road like it was the plague.

Gangster Government, Barone calls it. Did you EVER think you'd see that in America in your lifetime? Hopefully, Obama is sowing to the wind - and making himself vulnerable to reap one mother of a whirlwind.

Hopefully, the rest of the American people, or enough of them, will now resolve to do as you vowed: to never buy ANY union-made car (or, I guess, anything ELSE manufactured by unionized labor). GM's inventories, I understand, are ALREADY piling up, so I guess the American people have started the process of eschewing union-made cars.

The thing I fear most, however, about the American people by concerted action in effect drying up all those UAW jobs in Michigan and other union-dominated states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, as I've expressed before on these pages, is that a lot of out-of-work Detroit auto workers will filter south to try to glom onto jobs in the foreign-car plants of the south - and bring their blue-state liberalism and union thuggery WITH them. Yeah, I know, Louisiana is a right-to-work state, but ask the people of North Carolina what happens when you've got a magnet - for NC, the Research Triangle Park - attracting blue-staters once it's attracted enough of them: North Carolina went blue in last year's election.

Stands
"Gangster Government, Barone calls it. Did you EVER think you'd see that in America in your lifetime? Hopefully, Obama is sowing to the wind - and making himself vulnerable to reap one mother of a whirlwind."

No, I would have been unable to believe it even in my wildest nightmare.

"Hopefully, the rest of the American people, or enough of them, will now resolve to do as you vowed: to never buy ANY union-made car (or, I guess, anything ELSE manufactured by unionized labor)."

Damn right. I avoid union-made products like the plague.

"GM's inventories, I understand, are ALREADY piling up, so I guess the American people have started the process of eschewing union-made cars."

That is fanstatic news. Just keep up the work and avoid spending money. If the Rep/Con's start voting "present" on everything and we Galt out of the economy, "this economic war will be lost" for the thugs in DC.

"The thing I fear most, however, about the American people by concerted action in effect drying up all those UAW jobs in Michigan and other union-dominated states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, as I've expressed before on these pages, is that a lot of out-of-work Detroit auto workers will filter south to try to glom onto jobs in the foreign-car plants of the south - and bring their blue-state liberalism and union thuggery WITH them. Yeah, I know, Louisiana is a right-to-work state, but ask the people of North Carolina what happens when you've got a magnet - for NC, the Research Triangle Park - attracting blue-staters once it's attracted enough of them: North Carolina went blue in last year's election."

Well, they had better be hurricane-proof and understand that the South is a whole, nuther world.

who woulda ever thought it...

Michael Barone writes: "White House Puts UAW Ahead of Property Rights"


Now there's a surprise NO ONE could see coming (from a quadrant beyond the sun)... who woulda EVER thought it...

'tearing up' ??????
I grew up in Detroit, too. I say good riddance! Now, if they can somehow get the descendants of the trash that moved up from the south to head back down, as another commentator fears might happen, I just might consider moving back.

What are these things called "Laws"

"...violation of one of the basic principles of bankruptcy law..."

ovomit has walked all over the constitution, why would he let a little thing like the law get in the way of his socialist agenda?


P.S. If God was to give earth an enema, he'd stick the hose nozzle in detroit.

Denise

I actually went through a period in my youth where I bought American vehicles. What a mistake. I now own an Acura TL and my wife drives a Nissan Maxima. They are reliable, bulletproof and a lot of fun to drive, never mind the lavish appointments.

What ticks me off is the tax money that's being poured down this sewer as payback to the unions.

Anyone who, like Obama, thinks that the unions are going to design cars that Americans want (as if Obama would even let them) and run a ship tight enough to produce them at a reasonable price is, like Obama, living in a fantasy world.

Unions were largely responsible for the demise of GM. They're going to save GM? LOL!

SOCIALISM
We are witnessing Barack Obama bringing SOCIALISM to America.

How many years
Will the youth see Obama for what he is, or will they be relentless libs the rest of their lives? Only time will tell.

Frankly, the only way they will see the light is if the economy stays in the tank for a good while and their freedoms are taken away.

re: pb
Who exactly is this "trash" from the South to whom you refer? Are you a racist?

Hoover Also Blamed Speculation
President Hoover also railed against speculation which he saw as a cause of the crash of 1929. His interventions into business only made the depression deeper and longer. My mom, who remembers the depresseion, speaks of eating "Hoover gravy" made from flour, water and a little seasoning because they had little else. If you don't like speculation then you don't like risk taking which is at the heart of capitalism, the only economic system ever proven to provide the greatest prosperity to the greatest number of people. Will be eating "Obama gravy" one day? It will take a long time to dig out of the grave Obama and company are preparing.

Boycott Anything Produced by Government
I am boycotting government made cars, insurance, even postal service as much as possible. If you buy the government issued insurance which is subsidized by the taxpayers, then the private insurers cannot compete. Private insurers, come up with a good product for us pre-existing condition patients and judge us on an individual person by person basis. We are not all bad risks. Otherwise the gov. is going to undercut you using taxpayer dollars. Long live American Free Enterprise and The New American Revolution.

napolotino?
Hang in there folks. You have only seen the very small tip of the biggest iceberg yet to come. Homeland Security? One of the worst choices by the "messiah".
Soon to come "hilliry" supreme court?
Like I stated, only the tip of the iceberg.
Hang on for the ride of your life!
This will be a muslim country if you let this charade go on--WAKE UP!!

Downhill fast
and accelerating faster than the force of gravity would under the ordinary laws of physics. Astounding. Perhaps the Rubicon has been crossed already.

Standshisground
The foreign auto manufacturers that have plants in the US, have contingency plans if there is ever a serious threat to unionize - they will just shut down the plants and go home. When you think about it, with the direction that this country is headed, why would they stay, especially the Japanese and Koreans, when their domestic labor costs are so much less? Obviously, the US remains the strongest market for their products, at least for now.

I have never been able to verify this, so take it for what you will, but, on a business trip to Atlanta many years ago, I met a group of Hyundai execs that were scouting sites for their Sonata plant. We actually talked about the unions and how they would impact their operations. They were very cautious in their response, at first, but ultimately, they said that in turn for their investment in the plant, etc, they were getting concessions from both the Feds and the State governments that were vying for the plants that they would support them against the UAW and if they ever caved in to the UAW, Hyundai would close the plants and leave! It would be interesting to find out whether or not this is true.

I owned a 2001 Hyundai at the time and still have it! 155,000 miles and guess what, the expenses for non-periodic maintenance have all come after I hit 120,000 miles and even then, I've only spent about $700. That car doesn't owe me a dime at this point!

If I were to buy an American car again, I think that it would be a Ford. They seem to have their act together financially and are building nice cars.


One more thought
Maybe everyone talking to the government should have a recorder on them.


The Judicial Branch
The Judicial branch of our three part government is supposed to be a check on the other two branches--the executive and legislative, not a cheerleader for them as in communist countries such as China and Russia.

To all the people that love America as our founders invisioned it. Our country is in great peril and we must stand up and stop this America destruction.

Please explain
When did the entity called a corporation become more important than the people who work there. Why are people so anti union? Jealousy? As a worker I want a organization that watches my rights as an employee. The bigger the lie the more you tell it, more people will believe it.
I don't understand why I should care about some foreign company closing a plant. The car companies opened all those plants because Reagan threatened to limit their imports. For too many years we have had unbalanced trade agreements. Our market is larger than Japans or Korea, play hardball and they will crumble. Next time you get paid for a sick day or take a vacation thank a union.

Bruce in MN
I too have a Hyundai. It replaced a Ford that I was actually quite happy with and would still have today but for an inattentive driver.

You said, "they were getting concessions from both the Feds and the State governments that were vying for the plants that they would support them against the UAW and if they ever caved in to the UAW, Hyundai would close the plants and leave! It would be interesting to find out whether or not this is true".

With Obama now in the White House and the Democrats in control of Congress, can you imagine the U.S. government NOW taking the side of the foreign-car makers in anti-unionization efforts instead of the UAW's? I can't.

I would certainly HOPE that if it looks like these foreign-car manufacturers' plants in the South are going to get unionized, that they WOULD simply close them down and go home.

Actually, though, what I was thinking about in my prior post to St. Denis wasn't so much that an army of out-of-work union auto workers from blue states that would filter down to the South looking for work in those plants would IMMEDIATELY unionize them, but that if such an exodus occurred, you would have a beachhead of blue-state liberals in these Southern states which would only grow. Right now Louisiana, as are I presume pretty much all the other Southern states, is a right-to-work state. But get enough blue-state liberals to encamp in these states to eventually swing them blue - as I pointed out earlier happened in North Carolina when the Research Triangle Park in the Raleigh-Durham area attracted Northern liberals to the area who established a beachhead THERE that has only grown - and those right-to-work laws will become a thing of the past. I'd rather not see such a beachhead of blue-state liberalism get a chance to get established in any more Southern states, like it ALREADY has in Virginia and North Carolina, in the first place. I'm sure Denise and her fellow Southerners would say "AMEN!" to that.

Mike in NY
In defending unions, you said, "As a worker I want a organization that watches my rights as an employee".

Then I'll throw out a question to you and see if you can answer it - if you dare.

Which is, "What is the rationale for GOVERNMENT employees in this country to have unions?"

Both federal and state governments ALREADY have laws on their books "that watches my rights as an employee" and provide for sick and vacation days. And unlike private-sector unions, governments have the police power to actually ENFORCE those laws. So why, therefore, is a union needed for those who work for the government?

Stand by
If you think that's the only laws that this administration will entirely disregard, you've got to get your head out of the sand. These people care nothing for the Constitution or the rule of law.

Liberals will say whatever they want, but somehow it's pretty hard to argue that the founders intended for government to subvert private property rights in favor of political allies and supporters. We can go to Honduras for that kind of thing. Are liberals proposing that such things are now acceptable and that unsecured creditors are to be favored over secured ones? Laws established regarding such things are now irrelevant provided you are a political ally of the Democrat party?

Tell me how this will ever stimulate private capital into a market? Of course if the goal is to kill a free market system, then the Obama strategy here will succeed. We will become a communist banana republic. I just don't see that kind of thing in the vision of the founders. Is this change we can believe in? Or change we should dread? It's certainly change that needs to be stopped cold.

Let's hope
Let's hope the courts can reverse the course here. There is a constitutional challenge to the Chrysler situation. We really need to get the courts involved here. The power grab at the Federal level is simply astounding. Checks and balances need to begin checking and balancing pronto.

Well
apparently the media won't report the truth, the American people either don't care or pay attention in large enough numbers, and companies can't defend themselves.

Although I'm sorry for the banks that were forced to take money and are going to be nationalized against their will those of us who are informed need to write them off.

Anyone who cares about this country and the law needs to commit to never buying GM or Chrysler products again. It would also help if people stopped buying in union made goods, shopping union stores (check your local grocery etc.), stop shipping using UPS (FedEx is non-union). No more banking of any kind with banks that are under the government's thumb. And it goes without saying that buying bonds from unionized companies is apparently a good way to throw your money away.

Just shut up
...and pay your taxes.

Standshisground
Re: Government Employee Unions

My brother works at a Naval Shipyard and is, of course, a member of the union. He is a mechanic, and makes gross about roughly double what I make net as an engineer, and there is no comparison to his outstanding benefits package compared to mine in either quality or cost. If you were to talk to him, you would get a much different story, however: his job sucks, conditions are horrible, the government denies benefits that he considers entitlements (despite the fact that he pays about $30.00 / month for FAR more comprehensive coverage than I do for nearly $300.00 / month including full dental and eye care, which I do not have.) Talking politics with him is a tortuous exercise in withstanding shrill liberal democrat talking points screamed at you. Anyone who does not subscribe to democrat policies is 'brainwashed', according to him.
I find this rich:
He supports with unquestioning loyalty, the policies of a party which historically slashes the Naval defense budget, bringing in LESS, badly needed, work to the shipyard where he himself works.
Who is brainwashed?

Chrysler Bankruptcy
Let me see if I have this straight;

A third-rate car company, majority owned by its militant union, run by Italian management, building congressionally designed “green” cars, and financed by taxpayers into perpetuity because no private investor in their right mind will touch the company knowing that the White House will re-write the terms of any investment at whim. Is this supposed to be economic policy or comic opera?

WAS THERE EVER ANY DOUBT?

.....That OBAMA would see to it that the UAW got the sweet end of the stick? ...

.....When I was a kid there used to be a jingle on the radio that went, "look for the Union Label" ...this was supposed to encourage citizens to buy union made products ...

.....An updated version of that jingle could be, "Look for the union label or we breaka you legs" .....COLOSSUS

Wes in AZ

"This will be a muslim country if you let this charade go on--WAKE UP!!"

CONCUR and so does a fellow Arizonian and regular poster on this board, Joel-De Oppresso Liber.

Just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in your sentiments.

Kelo?
Could the 0bama administration cite the "Kelo" case as a precedent?

One thing I'm not sure of
Recently I read that the UAW was taking 55% of the ownership of this company. Now - how did they do it? Did they pay for the stock? Are they accepting ownership in lue of wages? Were they given ownership by the company? Were they given ownership by Obama, who doesn't own the company?

UAW and Chrysler
Until they lower the wages to the same wages other auto companies pay throughout the U.S. they will NEVER be able to compete. ANd that means the government will continue to be expected to pay high wages to peole who basically produce nothing since it can't be sold at the costs they need to charge for it.

USNBubblehead
Wish I could say I was surprised by your brother's attitude. But union members are so brainwashed that it sounds like par for the course.

I have a friend who works in municipal government in the state of Washington who has told me stories about the kind of things that go on at her workplace - like people actually bringing in their DOGS to work, never mind that it's a violation of state law, and leaving for the day VERY early in the afternoon even while still drawing full pay for the day - that make you think that government workers have practically become a law unto themselves.

I suggested she should report these kind of things to someone like Bill O'Reilly and see if HE or someone like him (Glenn Beck, maybe?) might be interested in shining a national spotlight on her employer's practices. She said that she's often thought of doing just that or something like it.

about the decline of unions

... which once represented 1/3 of eligible workers, but now less than 10%, and many of those are now white collar guvment workers (teachers, postal, bureaucrats) who can pass off their costs to taxpayers without the check and balance of competition.

http://www.heritage.org/research/labor/wm1202.cfm/

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2009/01/will_the _declin.html

excerpt:

Unions strongly supported President Obama during the presidential race, and naturally they expect some pay back...

As various arguments hostile to unions became more common during the past half-century, public opinion shifted against unions. Unions are considered too selfish, sometimes corrupt, as with the well-publicized troubles of the teamsters union, and they are NO LONGER CONSIDERED NECESSARY to protect employee interests.

Given this radical shift in public opinion, and the fundamental economic and social forces that contributed to the decline of unions, it is unlikely that the new Congress and new President would push for radical pro-union legislation, despite the impressive victory in the past election of the Democratic Party, and the strong financial and other support the larger unions gave to this party.

payback by the left/'Crats
Frankly, what once was a good thing went WAY too far... the Greeks wisely said: nothing in excess.

UAW members have destroyed the domestic car industry by killing the Golden Goose... it is on taxpayer life support. GM and Toyota sold the SAME # of cars last year, but GM hemorrhaged losses while Toyota made record profits.

The difference? GM paid TWICE as much for labor-- the numbers simply won't work. The UAW worker gets $150k/year counting benefits... they line up for jobs here at Toyota and Honda for HALF as much.

There is almost $2,000 in the price of every GM car JUST FOR retired worker benefits. NO business can endure amid competition and survive like that.

Mike in NY
You ask some interesting questions, so let me try to answer. The "entity called the corporation" is what provides jobs for the people who work there. If the corporation fails, then all those workers are out of a job. The "corporation" provides goods and/or services for all of society and provides jobs for people. That is how the economy works.

The people who work there are important, also, and I agree that workplaces should be safe and employees should have rights. It would be corporate suicide for management to provide an unsafe workplace or deny the rights of workers.

Now, I grew up in West Virginia, probably the most unionized state in the union. The unions were a good, even great, thing when they came about. But starting in the '60's and '70's, the unions went way beyond looking after workers' rights and workplace safety and turned benefits into entitlements and became focused on punishing achievement and celebrating sloth. Union demands by the USW and UMWA have turned West Virginia into a ghost town. Ditto for Detroit, the subject here at hand. Further, there has long been an association between the unions, subversive elements, the dhimmi-cRAT party, and the Mob. That is why I, and most folks with a functioning brain are anti-union. Jealousy has nothing to do with it.

I gotta guy...
I say - Boycott unions and to heck with their strong-arm tactics. Unions have long outlived their usefullness and are now doing nothing more than slowly killing businesses and our economy.

Years ago, when companies did whatever they wanted to employees, union representation was necessary to stand up for employees' rights and insure they were protected. Now, we are on the threshold of watching one of the largest and most prevalant businesses of our time go down in flames, due to many factors but most notably due to union concessions made over the years to compensate workers with perks and dollars unattainable by the rest of us. In addition, we have watched as teachers' unions have contributed to the demise of public education by protecting the jobs of inept/incompetant teachers and instead of jettisoning the "bad apples", rewarding them with guaranteed annual increases.

Unions and their "I gotta guy" ma**a tactics must be stopped in their tracks if we ever hope to truly recover/restore business and capatalism as it should be.

I will never .....
I will never:
----- Vote Democratic again
----- Buy a UAW built auto again

Have I Nice Day, Democrats and UAW! See if you can survive!

oracle1...
I wholehartedly concur...

Even the least experienced businessperson (and frankly, any second grader) will tell you - the math just doesn't add up. As the Union beast continues to dine on the company's buffet for free, the company slowly dies...because you can NOT continually pay out more than you bring in. DUHHH!

Union workers and retirees recieve benefits and compensation far outpacing the rest of us non-unionized private business workers commensurate to our positions/status within a company...and for WHAT? Because they are entitled. And being that this sense of entitlement clearly defines the mindset of today's typical liberal, the unions as a whole support the Osama agenda. Naturally there is payback, so we have what we are staring at now - more huge concessions due and payable to a union.

My wife, a teacher in the Peoples' Repugnant of NJ, is a rarity...a conservative teachers' union member. You are required to support the dummycrats in total lock-step, regardless of your own beliefs or morals, and regardless of the dummycrat (read: SOCIALIST, USA-Killing) agenda. I tell her to stand her ground and do NOT kowtow to them. It's the least we can do - to not become lemmings and follow the Pied Piper.

Mob Rule
Chicago is notorious for mob rackateering and extortion. The Mob doesn't do business themselves anymore, they have proxies do their muscle work. They go by such acronyms as ACORN.

Barack Obama is a former member of ACORN. You know what they say, once in the Mob, your in for life. Looks like the new Mob Boss resides in the White House.

Stuck
Yup! It's the same way in MN, only here, if you want to teach, you have to join the teacher's union! Talk about socialistic!

The TU has the gaul to be running ads several times a day on TV supposedly interviewing parents and teachers encouraging legislators to allocate more funding! The President of the union makes about $230K per year and I say, why don't they just take the money they are spending on their "infomercials" and apply that to where they want it?

Strong-armed
This is a country of laws,not men.Where is the sanctity of contracts? And we know the old "press" is AWOL on this matter and it's no surprise why they are losing readers and viewers at an alarming rate.When will Barry O. get his ears pinned back?

Mike, NY
"When did the entity called a corporation become more important than the people who work there."

The entity called a corporation IS a person under the law. It is treated no better or worse than a living, breathing, human being.

"Why are people so anti union? Jealousy?"

No, I detest unions because of their thuggery. You might think that unions care about workers, but I recently watched an interview with an official in a major union. He claimed that the union's #1 responsibility was to make money, which was why his union was supporting amnesty for illegals. The more illegals it can get into a union, the more money it will make and damn American workers.

"As a worker I want a organization that watches my rights as an employee."

See above.

"The bigger the lie the more you tell it, more people will believe it."

No lies on my part, just the cold, hard truth.

"I don't understand why I should care about some foreign company closing a plant."

You shouldn't except for the fact that unemployment will continue to rise and the economy will continue to contract.

"Next time you get paid for a sick day or take a vacation thank a union."

Er, no. As a business owner, I thank myself.

USNBubblehead
Try having a brother that is a District Union Director! I feel your pain. He doesn't complain about his job, but complains about the incompetent fools that he has to contend with to get it done. He acknowledges that there are flaws, but still supported osama! I really tick him off though, because every time I call, email, send him regular mail or even in general conversation, I address him as "Comrade!"

Stands, I think that I knew what your intent was, so didn't mean an offense. This is too spooky though, as I also owned a pretty cool Ford before the Hyundai, a 1991 Ford Taurus SHO. It was soooo cool! When I sold it, it was still in almost show room condition. If I would have been able to afford to do so at the time, I would have kept it as a collector car.

Mike in NY; how many times did you take a "sick" day when you weren't really sick, just because the union said you could? The union system is so rife with abuse and there is something drastically wrong with a system where 2 people have to be working to support one guy that retired! My brother attend two "meetings" in Las Vegas every year to discuss union issue and commisserate with their union brothers. That happens over beers and roulette tables. Let's not even touch on the fact that 98% of union presidents make over $250K per year, which, I think you liberats call rich. That's where a big chunk of your union dues go, sucker!




St. Denis a/k/a Denise
Maybe Mike in NY should go and talk to the surviving relatives of the Joseph Yablonski family and let THEM tell him how great unions are!

By the way, the interview you mentioned with the union official goes to show the total disconnect that has arisen between union LEADERS and union WORKERS. The union leaders have no reason to care WHO the union's workers are, just as long as there ARE union workers, so union leaders have no reason to care whether the union's members are American citizens or illegals.

You have to wonder when the unions' rank-and-file will wake up to the fact that their union leaders, in connivance with Democratic Party politicians, are selling them down the river. Then again, BLACKS haven't caught onto the fact that the leaders of the party they give their votes to almost as a reflex action have systematically sold them down the river, so why should union members?

Unions devolved to be a net negative
My main issue about unions--> they tend to cripple and bankrupt their industries. Consider that unions have been in steady decline in numbers and percentage since the 1950's, partly because they get voted down out of fear of jobs losses.

The ONLY area where unions have grown is among guvment workers--> teachers, postal, and bureaucrats-- and how are those services working out for you?! Those costs can be foisted off onto the taxpayer because competition does not keep them honest.

Now, state and local workers make 40% more than private workers... and the gap is widening steadily:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-04-09-compensa tion_N.htm

The demise of Chrysler
Obama and the rest of the thugs in Washington, if they prevail in this, have assured the eventual demise of Chrysler. We can only hope the judge will not allow this to happen. With the union in control, they will choke the life out of the company over time. It will be a joke to witness contract negotiations next time around. Essentually the union will be negotiating with it's self. What a joke. Obama and the other criminals in the White House must be stopped. 2010 is our only hope.

GREAT points at 12:07...
... by Standshisground!

Mike in N.Y. has this idealized view of unions simply protecting the noble workers against those bad management types.

But simply look at the industries where unions have predominated! Their largess almost begged for outsourcing, downsizing and demise (steel, auto textile).

Again, as I noted below, an employer cannot pay a UAW worker with a H.S. degree $150,000 a year all-in and make the numbers work competitively on those cars.

Oddly enough, even your Toyota and Honda made here ALSO cost you more than they should because the Big 3 have given them no true price competition... and people line up to work for half as much at Toyota in America.

Check out how the costs of cars have risen in REAL $ (adjusted for inflation). That is mainly due to union largess.

Shinque in NC
Read a history of the migrations from the south to Detroit before you start name-calling.

the tax burden of the UAW
I am sick that the UAW is being propped up with HUGE taxpayer dollars because unions own the Crats... that is like giving the addict his drugs rather than having an intervention (bankruptcy) and insisting on treatment--> adjustment to what non-UAW workers at Toyota and Honda earn right here in America... and they line up for those jobs to make 1/2 as much!

The 'Çrats and unions are co-dependent... and taxpayers and Middle America pay for their largess and inefficiency.

another good post
re:

"The demise of Chrysler
Obama and the rest of the thugs in Washington, if they prevail in this, have assured the eventual demise of Chrysler. We can only hope the judge will not allow this to happen. With the union in control, they will choke the life out of the company over time. It will be a joke to witness contract negotiations next time around. Essentually the union will be negotiating with it's self. What a joke. Obama and the other criminals in the White House must be stopped. 2010 is our only hope."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The union took over United Airlines... and united, they failed-- it went into bankruptcy-- where GM also belongs, where a judge can tell the union: you have got to be kidding!

Why buy UAW?
Not that long ago, we used to chastise folks for buying Japanese cars and would tell them "buy American!".

Not now...uh uhhh...

I can buy a BMW or a Lexus or a Toyota or frankly, ANY one of em and be assured that:

- The car is a quality product that will last for years
- Unlike a Chevy or a Ford, the car will possess timeless style and performance
- A portion of the money I paid for the car will not go to some Union thug's permanent benefits package
- I won't be supporting the continuing, US Govt. controlled assault on private enterprise and our capatalist system, which, when run correctly, outperform any goverment-run entity by a long shot.
- I won't be validating the OVOMIT agenda.

Sounds like a deal to me. Why buy UAW??

the rest of the story
is that the US tax payers, who own approximately 8% of Chrysler, and who should get a return on our money, will get nothing. BUT...we will get to continue paying out the nose in government money, to the tune of about $4 billion dollars in bail out money, on top of what chrysler has already received. And, the congress, as our most humble servants, will pick four out of the nine board members for chrysler. The Unions will pick one, and own 55% in the corp.

American unions are the perfect example give an inch and take a mile. Greed and self promotion has replaced protecting the workers to extortion for profit. GM and Chryslers bail out plans should be to get rid of the unions, and hire workers, and pay them an honest pay for an honest days work. In this economy, that's all anyone could ask for.

To much truth in this column!!!!
Seems like the BK judge is in the pocket of the UAW and the administration on this one. Five bondholders (those people are American patriots) showed up to contest the terms of the Chrysler BK and seem to be getting the back of the hand from the judge.

As secured creditors they should have first claim on all of Chrysler's assets not be twirling in the wind as the unions get first class treatment. Obama's screwing with the very basis of free market capitalism when he substitues his empathy for workers aka mindless supporters for the rule of law in bankruptcy procedures.

Nobody with money to invest will touch secured bonds with a ten foot pole when you can lose all because Obama or one of his appointed judges feels empathy for some other creditor.

Justice should be blind but Obama wants the judge to take a peek and favor the "poor, downtrodden, minority, or democrat." After all shouldn't government be in the business of sharing the wealth? Obama in the role of Robin Hood is be a real vote getter! Only problem is that 90% of government workers bear a very strong resembelance to Little John, that is getting fat on other people labor.

Unions
Workers don't own the capital structure of the workplace they're employed at. Employees trade time for wages and benefits. Someone else took the risk to accumulate the capital required to create a functioning company. Being an employee is a no-risk prospect. Employees can easily and fluidly change places of employment with little to no negative impact. Those who provide the capital investment, however, cannot do this. A capital investor cannot simply pick up his bond and take it elsewhere, he has to wait for the bond to be paid back. Giving the worker the upper hand is absurd. Employment is not risky, investing is. Why give the low risk activity the preference?

Furthermore, in a civilized nation (aka, not the one Obama wants), owners have full rights to do with their property what they choose. Workers, who own their own time and labor, are free to choose the wages they wish to trade for their labor and employers are under no obligation to accept these wages nor are they under any obligation to accept the change of terms. Employees can only convince their employer that losing their labor is more costly than the raise in wages and benefits. If the employer disagrees, the employee can remain under the original terms or leave. Employees cannot unilaterally decide they want more and get it, which is essentially what unionization does.

For a full write-up on the subject of unionization, click my name and read the blog.

Bruce in MN
"Yup! It's the same way in MN, only here, if you want to teach, you have to join the teacher's union! Talk about socialistic!"

Oh yeah, I love how they MAKE you join the union and you HAVE to support their every move. In a FREE COUNTRY mind you, you HAVE to join a union to pursue your career and then you HAVE to sing the company song...sheesh!! If that doesn't go against the grain of every thing this nation was founded on, I haven't a clue what does!!

"The TU has the gaul to be running ads several times a day on TV supposedly interviewing parents and teachers encouraging legislators to allocate more funding! The President of the union makes about $230K per year and I say, why don't they just take the money they are spending on their "infomercials" and apply that to where they want it?"

These JackA$$es are out of control!!

In NJ we have the State gubmint and the town gubmint (all liberal as you can get of course) in addition to our wonderful US government - all to dip their hands in our collective pockets. But, proving that truth is indeed stranger than fiction, some of us are "lucky" enough to also have a COUNTY government to content with!! Thaaat's right...and some of our freeholders (really freeLOADERS) had the gall to recently mail the teachers in my wife's district to ask them to consider foregoing their pay increases or accept money in lieu of benefits. Ummm - EXCUSE ME??? How about one of you county gubmint freeLOADERS get off the county dole and leave us be?

County government...for WHO...for WHAT???

oracle1
Thanks!

You said, "Mike in N.Y. has this idealized view of unions simply protecting the noble workers against those bad management types".

The sentiment expressed in your statement was brought up not long ago by Ann Coulter who, on an appearance on Bill O'Reilly's show, used that sentiment to question why unions are needed for GOVERNMENT employees (I was therefore merely echoing Ann's sentiments in my post to Mike in NY) - because SURELY Barack Obama and the Congressional Democrats would NEVER admit that there are "bad management types" in our government, now that THEY control it, that the "noble workers" in government need protection from being abused by.

So again, what rationale can LIBERALS possibly come up with to justify the existence of unions for government employees in a government that THEY now control?

Mike...
"When did the entity called a corporation become more important than the people who work there."

I think you are missing the point, Mike. Nobody ever said that the corporation is more important than it's employees. Face it - without the corporations there'd be NO employees. Hey - here's an idea: Let's all see to it that the "big baaaaad companies" go belly-up...brilliant. NOW WHAT do you do for work? NOW how does one feed their family???

Let's just be honest and admit one fact - with their recent actions, the government thinks it's more important than EVERYONE.

"Why are people so anti union?"

It's been well-documented here but let's try it again, in a nutshell: unions have gone from organizations that are looking out for employees' rights to legalized extortionists who will rape and pillage a company blind for their own benefit.

"Jealousy?"

Hardly. Who in their right mind would be jealous of someone forced to join a strong-armed, thug-mentality-laden organization to simply exercise your right to work? It goes against every principle this nation was founded on.

"As a worker I want a organization that watches my rights as an employee."

True...too bad unions don't really stand for that anymore.

"The bigger the lie the more you tell it, more people will believe it."

What - you mean like "Bush lied, kids died" or "Bush caused the Katrina catastrophe" or "Bush is the reason for our economic downturn"??

I see what you mean...

"Next time you get paid for a sick day or take a vacation thank a union."

Again - a hollow point - perhaps in the 40s you may have hit a home run with this thought but today you strike out.

Heritage Foundation on unions
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed082808c.cfm

excerpts:

A 2006 Zogby poll found that 74 percent of non-unionized workers say they wouldn't "personally like to be a member of a labor union." Today only 20 percent say they would like to unionize. That's down substantially from 1984, when about a third of non-union workers said they wanted to form a union.

The numbers on union membership bear that out. In 1974, a quarter of private-sector workers were in unions. Today, only 7.5 percent are. What workers seem to want is a voice in how their company operates, without the confrontational attitude that so many unions bring to the table.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Take the ironically named Employee Free Choice Act. It would actually endanger a right millions of American workers enjoy: the right to choose whether to join a union.

guvment jobs now the union stronghold
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed040108c.cfm

excerpt:
The one sector where unions remain relevant is the government. Almost half of all union members now work in the public sector. The typical union member today works for the DMV, not on the assembly line.

Unions fit more comfortably into government workplaces than the private sector. Government employees are used to bureaucracy that does little to reward individual initiative. And the government faces no competition.

The state of Virginia won't go bankrupt, no matter how much public-sector unions ask for in wages. The state can just raise taxes on everyone else. It's no accident that the typical government employee earns substantially more than an equivalently skilled private-sector worker. Whether it is fair that government unions push for higher taxes to pay their inflated salaries is another question.

The upshot is that unions today have little to offer workers outside of government.

No reason to lie?
"Lauria is a reputable lawyer and a contributor to Democratic candidates. He has no motive to lie."

Except that he is a lawyer representing a client that stands to benefit if it can show that it was harmed during the process. Especially since it was the only one of the bondholders to accept the initial offer. It may not be offered as much in the resulting bankruptcy, since it has already shown willingness to accept less. This is simply a standard legal maneuver: Trying your case in public before it actually goes to the judge. And a perfect reason for a lawyer to lie, or at least stretch the truth.

more Heritage research
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/wm1202.cfm

excerpts:

Organized Labor in America has lost its way. The most telling evidence is that unions have been shedding members for decades.

The slow demise of General Motors (GM) is visibly intertwined with the inefficient labor contracts that the United Auto Workers (UAW) secured in decades past...

But the very things that big unions have been fighting for in recent years are hostile to innovation. They protect jobs of the past at the expense of jobs of the future. They fight for bailouts of inefficient corporations.

They fight for higher minimum wages that price low-skilled workers out of the market (and out of competition with their members). Hostility to part-time employment, workplace flexibility, and capital gains are all antithetical to the virtual workspace that fosters start-up innovation.

Detroit breakdown,motorcity shakedown
Pay to play politics are alive and well in the Whitehouse. Where are the controls to stop any af this bail-out cash from being returned to the DNC or Obama's campaign chest? I believe they are taxing ALL of us and using the dough for their socialist agenda.
We had Joe Biden here in Chicago for the re-opening of a failed window company(union).The former owners were demonized when they were forced out of business.Now with the help of your and my money, Joe Biden can brag about all the jobs he has saved. COLLOSSUS

Buy a Ford
The CEO of Ford went to DC with the others in Dec. Unlike the other two, Mullaly decided to in effect tell Congress "stick it, we don't need your stinking money and I'm not gonna be your butt boy". Then he went back to Dearborn and figured out how to go it alone(the American way). Such dedication to doing it the right way, without gubmint handouts should be rewarded the next time you buy a car or truck.

Chicago East
Sounds like we need to start referring to Washignton D.C. as Chicago East.

You expected something different?
From a gangland Chicago politican/community organizer? Besides New Orleans, Chicago is probably the most corrupt city in the country. Strong arming their way to what they want is normal operating procedure. I have a feeling we ain't seen nothin' yet.
I also pray that everyone wakes up and realizes that our government is out of control but that we can reign it in by voting people out of office and civil disobedience. The leftist used that for years and what is good for the goose is good for the gander (I think I already said that in another post today ... sorry). It is time to rise up and smack the hand that keeps taking our cookies from the jar.

skywalker...
I for one expected exactly what we're getting. Any of us with no more than 1/4 of a working brain cell were able to read the writing on the wall.

It's all the "tinglelegs" and "hopey-changey-dopey" ones out there that expected different. They are the ones we can "thank".

Government takeover prelude to Communism
Why is everyone so surprised? Maybe because they don't teach history in our schools anymore so none of the under 45 year olds know about socialism and communism. How sad for our USA. Wake up America...Obama is the puppet of George Soros and will completely destroy our country!

skywalker
For a thorough examination of Chitown politics, read Boss by the late Mike Royko. In this book, the author describes the workings of the Daley Sr administration, identifying the offficial symbol of Chicago as the plain manilla enelope stuffed with cash. BTW, it was written around 1970.

Sweet Home Alabama
We make Honda Insight Minivans and engines, the Mercedes M-Class, R-Class and new GL Sport Utility, and the Hyundai Sonata and Santa Fe here in Alabama. I don't care if it is a foreign owned company, the employees that build the things are Americans. These are AMERICAN MADE vehicles. My wife has a 1994 Honda Accord built in Ohio that looks and drives like a new one. None of these are Union and I pray they can keep it that way. The unionized tire manufacturing plants here (Goodyear and B.F. Goodrich) are closing one by one. The Democrats don't give a rat's patoot about property rights or rule of law. They are in charge and will repay their contributors Constitution or no Constitution. What do you think the "stimulus" package was all about? It was pure payback for getting them elected.

Mr. Barone
Here, once again, we are treated to another atrocity of an ever-encroaching government using coercion and force to attain its ends at the expense of law, property, and rights.

You have detailed the story wonderfully, but I have one question: WHERE IS THE LAWSUIT?!?!?

Some more questions: Where is the outrage by business groups willing to fight what happened? This lawyer says his client was screwed, but apparently, his client isn't angry enough to do anything about it. Where is the anger from those that have been done badly?

This is yet another example where those that are "outraged" are not so outraged to fight for what they know to be an abuse of power by our government.

Am I supposed to be outraged by the governments actions? Why should I? No one is fighting it, and everyone is giving lip service to it.

You call it what it is, Mr. Barone: enabling.

skywalker81
You took the words out of my mouth. The country has turned into the extended Chicago metropolitan area. I'm sure that when Obama had the bust of Winston Churchill taken out of the White House he replaced it with Mayor Daly. I wonder how many "union officials" after a visit there leave "note' of gratitude with a lackey that finds its way to dem/lib election coffers? After all isn't that "The Chicago Way"?

skywalker81
You took the words out of my mouth. The country has turned into the extended Chicago metropolitan area. I'm sure that when Obama had the bust of Winston Churchill taken out of the White House he replaced it with Mayor Daly. I wonder how many "union officials" after a visit there leave "note' of gratitude with a lackey that finds its way to dem/lib election coffers? After all isn't that "The Chicago Way"?

Is anyone really surprised?
Pres. Obama had, to my knowledge, NO business experience - not even running a lemonade stand- prior to his perpetual campaigning beginning in Illinois for state senator. With Saul Alinsky ringing in his ears, we should expect him to play hardball "negotiating" favorable outcomes to his constituents.

Also, isn't it ironic that when public-sector, government union employees demand higher wages and greater benefits, they are only increasing taxes on themselves in order to pay for those increases! This is due to the fact that they are paid through taxes and not by selling a service or a product in the open market.

stuck in a blue state
Yeah I agree. There were WAAAAY too many people who actually believed that they would no longer have to worry about paying their mortgage or for health care. There were too many who voted because it was time for a person of color to win. There were too many who bought into the cult of personality. There are too many who pay no taxes and want freebies. There are too many who think that government is the answer to everything (despite the evidence to the contrary).

Unions....dying breed
Mike in NY Writes: Please explain When did the entity called a corporation become more important than the people who work there.

That has never happened.......because when you start to strip out the knowledge base of a company, you effectively strip out its heart and mind....and the company will eventually start to fail......contrary to your typical NY thought pattern.....investors...that being stockholders, bondholders, etc, etc care deeply about future operations of a company and how it will continue to grow and thrive in the future.....


Further Mike from NY........since when did the entity of the goverment decide to try to rule the same people who fund its existence.
When did the your government decide that it has a right to the money earned by others....and that it has a right to give it to those that it decides need it the most.....then begins to threaten the same people who it supposedly works for.........

Liberals would be well served to understand that ANY government is a drain to the economy by virtue of it taking money from the productive class and using it......the government is constantly a liability to the US taxpayers that must (by some stupid law) be funded year after year.........

I cannot imagine for 1 second how any entity....person...private enterprise....could exist for more than 12 months by spending 20 times more than the revenue it takes in....but somehow, the public is cowed year after year into going along with this..........since the government uses bully tactics of threatening to cut school, fire, police, first before it even looks internal to its own bloated bureaucratic mess.........

skywalker
you wrote:

There are too many who think that government is the answer to everything (despite the evidence to the contrary)


Evidence????
History is full of the cold painful truth......the hell with evidence....it is fact...governments consume wealth and do nothing to create wealth.


Anti-consumer war

Please keep in mind that it was a decade of neocon rule that brought us this economic crisis.

Not that they take any personal responsibility for it.

Hey, Barone
I can see dat youse never seen how we do it in Chicago. Da firs rule is dis: Da union gets it all, an youse gets what's left. Now dat we gots a Chicago guy in da white house, none a youse is gonna get nuttin' unless youse play ball, get it? Lake Michigan is pretty big and it'll hold a lotta yer shite, if you catch my drift.

Skywalker...
Well said...

I constantly challenge the Obama supporters among my friends to cite examples of his so-called success. The best they can muster is:

1) "we won the election (yeah - "WE" - riiiiight) and the Republicans lost...nyahh nyahhh nyahhhh"! -OR-
2) He (Obama) is SOOO SMART!! He's soooo much smarter than Bush!!!

Same with the morons who get lost here on their way to who knows what...for example, DUMBahue, PhyLOSER, etc. This is all they have. Not a one of them can cite specific examples of "the One"'s success. This is the scary part.

Quite clearly the house of cards they built is already starting to fall violently to earth and not one of them will recognize or admit it.

And they VOTED for him...why?? So they can chastise Bush! So they can stick their collective tongues out at conservatives and call our party "dead"!! Simply Amazing...

A nation of "Peggy the Moochers" has taken over and instead of rolling over and submitting to it, we need to take it back. The Tea Parties were a good start...now what?

Glenn
I can smell where that post came from. Keep cr@pping, commie.

The Townhall Trolls...
will never see it, because they only come here to fight. They're not by and large thinkers, they're pugilists and they have axes to grind with right wingers and just come here to scrap.

But many rank and file Democrats, the hundreds of thousands of thoughtful middle-left people who do not go on political websites but who are nevertheless aware of current events and patriotic Americans have got to have begun to notice that everything that Obama wants to do in his presidency involves setting aside huge swaths of established law. His is a martial administration without, as of yet, use of military coercion (stay tuned). Every move he makes involves shattering precedent, setting aside law, rewriting statutes, and governing as if a military dictator in the midst of a civil crisis.

Our trolls cannot ever tell us how this is playing in middle America as they are unconnected to regular folks, but I know my fellow citizens: even the most ardent Democrats have to be lookiing at all this and wondering what the hell is going on here?

Hey! Guess What the real plan is ???

Come on, look a little closer and then a lot farther:

Obama's plan is simple enough ... Remake Detroit in the Image of the Socialist European automotive model. Whereas there will be 10 small -mostly foreign owned- car companies instead of 3 big American ones.

Selling off parts of the Big 3 is Obama's way of making things 'fair' with Europe. And he won't stop at Detroit. Obama has every intention of collapsing any American conglomerates who are 'too big' and therefore 'too arrogant' and 'too Capitalistic'.

It's all about being nice to the rest of the world. Dropping American wages and living standards to the standards now set by the United Nations. You know, so they won't hate us for being productive and wealthy.

Glenn
"Please keep in mind that it was a decade of neocon rule that brought us this economic crisis.

Not that they take any personal responsibility for it."

Same old tired, boring lines. You guys can caw and quack the same old stuff but shamefully the facts prove you wrong time and again.

Please tell me which part of this supposed "neocon rule"...

- Ignored the Fannie and Freddie looming crises and instead continued to feed from the "trough"

- Insisted on forcing mortgage companies to provide loans to low-risk customers with bad/no credit, knowing damn right well they couldn't or simply wouldn't pay them back

- Constantly pushes legislation designed to punish businesses for accidents or consumer negligence

- Constantly persues lucrative lawsuits for said accidents or consumer negligance

- Added to the cost of making (and thereby, owning) an automobile due to pounds of legislation and safety regulations

Hmmmm - they don't sound like true conservatism in action to me...

Bottom line...you'd like to think that conservatism and capatalism done right are responsible for the straits we're in now; unfortunately you'd be wrong.

Drugs are BAD Glenn...

good points again
re:
"There are too many who pay no taxes and want freebies. There are too many who think that government is the answer to everything (despite the evidence to the contrary)."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The bottom half of all who file tax returns effectively pay NO taxes. One of the truly artful lies of the ObaMessiah ilk is that "the rich simply need to pay their fair share" (unless those rich are Glowbama appointees!)

Per the guvment's own data, the top 5% (those with an AGI of $150k+) already pays 60% of taxes actually paid... and that trended UPWARD under Dubya, even as the small fraction paid by the bottom 50% DECREASED, giving lie to typical left-wing braying:

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

And the reason the left wants to make voters of ILLEGAL aliens is to get more support for big entitlement guvment.

ANY BETS?
How long will it take for the UAW to finish killing off Chrylser?

StuckinaBlueState
Glenn has already drank the Kool-Aid. No use confusing him with facts.

He also must have skipped over the part of the article that points out that centuries old bankruptcy law are being tossed out to kow-tow to unions who are pretty much responsible for the mess to start with.

Russ
"Glenn has already drank the Kool-Aid. No use confusing him with facts."

I know but it's worth a try...

"He also must have skipped over the part of the article that points out that centuries old bankruptcy law are being tossed out to kow-tow to unions who are pretty much responsible for the mess to start with."

Scary how easy it is for your average liberal to conveniently forget such monumental details.

All they heard was "Hope and Change", "Bush Lied", "the neocons caused it all" and that sold them the farm. That was enough to sell us all up the creek.

Dems will keep on
Dems will keep on bailing out the UAW. After all, it's only the public's money and there are political allies to shift that wealth to... or pass that debt along to. Either way it doesn't matter as long as the pay to play continues in the Democrat party.

Calling it like it is
Thank you, Mr. Barone. Hey Progressives--still no buyer's remorse? It's bad when you vote for and bankroll a guy, and he still turns on you. President Obama keeps upping the attendance at future Tea Parties.

Glenn of KY
Can you address or debate anything in Barones article or are cute neocon quips the beginning and end of your intellect?

PS the six years (not decade) that the Democracts had no economic policy power were pretty darn good despite 9/11 and too many RINOs.

gettingolderandweiser
I would bet Obama's popularity in twelve months against what's left of my 401-K in twelve months that the UAW kills Chrysler in 12 months, but 0-0 is 0.

Mr. Barone!
Gangster Government! How appropriate! What else can we expect from the Chicago thugs?

Appalling
is the only way to describe this meddling with the private sector. We have lost all appreciation for what government is supposed to be in this country.

God help us.

What's new?!
Abomination has played his hand. Anyone with their eyes open will see that he is Full Fledged Socialist ... and he is moving the nation towards communism as he begins labeling anyone who supports lower taxes, smaller government, reward for hard work ... you know the drill, tratitional values: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
He must be defeated in the political arena. His ideas must be countered w/ peaceful but passionate logic.

This is Chicago
thuggery at its finest -- stay tuned folks -- lots more where this comes from. How proud all you libs must be to have elected a Chicago thug as president of our great country?? His demise cannot come fast enough -- and be sure, he his going to implode. The left is a lost cause, but I still maintain high hopes for the middle of the roaders that voted for this creep. They are waking up.

UAW, Acorn, Obama
All the same.

USAConservativemom
You said it already but I'll repeat it -
BLATANT THUGGERY!!!!!!!

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish for the Impeachment of this Immature, Incompetent, Destructive, America-hating Leftist (and the ouster of most of Congress)! And anyone with a BRAIN (even you fools who voted him in can't stay blind forever) by now can easily see WHAT A DAILY *WORSENING FREAKING MESS* WE'RE IN! It's a STEAMROLLER TO HELL...

Just unbelievable. It's all just a nightmare and I'm gonna wake up soon, right?! Please, God, don't punish US ALL for the SHEER STUPIDITY of a portion!!!

Read Obama's book
But don't pay for it. Know who you are up against and see how he thinks. Also, I highly recommend "Spengler's" article on Obama from Feb 2008. Google the "Complete Spengler"in the Asia Times. it's there and right on the mark.

Obama is (as has been said many times) a socialist from birth. We need to begin to win our friends and neighbors over to see what's going on and the freedoms that are being lost. It will take us one person at a time. We're up against kool aid drinkers like Colin Powell and David Brooks, so it's not going to be easy.

People I talk to are stressed. And actually reluctant to talk about him. Have you all noticed that?

We are in a very dangerous period right now, and it's folks such as the clear thinking people on this site who may begin to turn the tide.

God is in control. Keep the faith.

HEY VMAN
Should we start referring to Barrack as the "Don"?

I WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT
The decisions of politicians over the past few years is infuriating. They gave away so much money to Chrysler and GM. Chrysler hit the ditch anyway and my money (literally) is on GM hitting bankruptsy court too. It's as if they like setting bills on fire!

mike and unions
I would rather thank the inventors and scientists( and the god that gave them intelligence) that have made possible a lessened need for man to labor his life away. The truth is it is the continued implementation of ever evolving manufacturing techniques that have enabled employers to make greater profits, and thus benefit their employees with more leave, safer working environments, and better pay.

folks..were there
This happened with FDR, but now is occurring at a much higher level. The "this"is that rule of law is ignored to give sway to the mood of the people. This is what really happens with democracy. No longer are the constants of justice, freedom or liberty important, but how one can get theirs. Of course the "theirs" doesn't consider whether it may be the other "theirs". We now have perverted the rights to life, liberty and property of the individual, to the rights of the other person to have them, regardless of who's it was in the first place. Socialism is here NOW!
Folks get involved in every way possible, otherwise we will lose our chance to undo the damage that has been done, and we will be slaves. We may live in a house, but it will be at the grant of the government. We may hold on to certain posessions, until someone elses need is too great. We will have religion without God or consent.
Obama in a sane world would already have been impeached. He has overtly committed malfeasance, particularly with using the office of the Presidant to bully people. Where is this authority? Is it granted under the Constitution? Is it because he received more votes? If that is so then the Constitution and the principle of rule of law is out the door. You leftists ignore that without the consent of all parties to the Constitution there is no legality for further powers. You don't adhere to rule of law, and then think that the violated party should just ignore the breaches. Absolutely not! It's either rule of law, or force of arms. You tell us.

Joe The Plumber Quitting The GOP
Maybe he's mad that HE didn't get a $150,000 clothing budget?

Hannity attacks Obama over mustard !!
What a pathetic clown Hannity is!

I switched to FOX to catch part of Hannity's program last evening.

No substance as usual. Just dimwitted Republican comedy.

He criticized Obama for ordering a hamburger with Dijon mustard!
Hannity thought it was too high-brow and FOX played a short part of the decades old Poupon mustard ad that showed rich people insisting on that brand.

Both Hannity and Faux Noise deserve each other.

Wait till Faux Noise start attacking Obama's dog !!

TD2008
Leave it to a dumb#ss libtard like yourself to log on to a thread and start spewing a stupid rant that has nothing to do with the article or the conversation -- you libs just can't get any dumber!! Go back to the oil vat -- I think your fries are done and the customer at the drive up is getting impatient with you.....

Chicago gangsters

Al Capone ain't dead .... he lives @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

You can take the Gangsta out of Chicago, but you can't take Chicago out of the Gangsta.

The Second protects the rest

Hey TD
This just in. Neil Armstrong lands on moon!
Film at 11!!

Re: USAconservativemom
It must be a light day at the ranch today....

I am surprised they give you a computer with a internet connection !!

Hey Mike
"As a worker I want a organization that watches my rights as an employee".

Do your rights include a pension from as early as age 55 that equals 70-90% of what you made while working?

For not working?

With medical, dental and other benefits?

For as long as you live? (25 years? 30 years?)

With a cost of living increase?

With money left over for a surviving spouse?

For as long as he/she lives?

With the union leadership skimming off of the top the whole way through?

I don't think I read about those 'rights' in school. I should read the constitution again.

The sad thing about this...
Is that now a labor union and a government entity are expected to run a business.

All they really did was hose the bondholders and buy some time.

What is the over/under on how long before they need to bailout the bailout?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry............

The Chickens will come home to roost
Well, wait until the union owners find out that you can't stay alive and make a profit when you give the kind of outlandish benefits that they demand. It should be interesting to watch.

And we are surprised about
what is happening? Makes me wonder how many now regret voting for that lying, cheating, and robber B. Hessein Obama.

former SCOTUS justices would be amazed
re:
"Obama's attitude toward the rule of law is apparent in the words he used to describe what he is looking for in a nominee to replace Justice David Souter. He wants "someone who understands justice is not just about some abstract legal theory," he said, but someone who has "empathy." In other words, judges should decide cases so that the right people win, not according to the rule of law."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

... if they could see where the "living, breathing document" people want to take the Court. This demonstrates that who is in the Oval Office DOES matter, even if Dubya first tried to foist his legal assistant H. Miers upon us.

The founders would NEVER have imagined that SCOTUS would usurp and assume the powers that it has. I favor the right to an abortion, but as a finding of law, Roe v Wade was wretched and absurd per se.

Blaming Reagan now?!
Mike, I have my own company and don't get paid vacations, holidays, health care, or insurance.

Most of that junk was started because FDR illegally froze wages, so the companies added benefits to get around it. It wasn't the unions.

The idiot in the WH doesn't like the Constitution, either, but he is smarter than those who voted him.

TD2008
Thoughtless degenerate who voted for the first time in his/her(or transtesticle)life in 2008!!!
no dought a non-taxpayer

EVER NOTICE...
...when someone shoots down a libtard with common sense or facts they disappear or retreat.

Kinda like a dog turd bakin in the hot sun, they just dry up and blow away...

Save America plant a Lib

Dubya foisted Obama upon us
re:
"Makes me wonder how many now regret voting for that lying, cheating, and robber B. Hessein Obama."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I voted for Dubya 2x as the presumed lesser evil (a Hobson's Choice, really), but he sure stunk up the place.

He spent $ and grew guvment (Rx Care for Seniors) like a drunken sailor Crat.

He let the neoCONS (whose real motive was to take out Iraq for Israel) snooker him into a profligate war against the wrong Islamics.
Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and secular Saddam and zealot Osama were opponents on different pages.

Worst of all, like various other CINO/RINO's, he effectively embraced ILLEGAL aliens via neglecting to secure the border and failing to enforce existing laws... now we are stuck with 20 million soon-to-be-democrat voters... the left and the Chosen One cannot wait to enfranchise them (they need not be citizens to vote either).

Talk was cheap about defending America, when the REAL threat was allowed to flood across the border and permeate social pathologies (crime, drugs, gangs, identity fraud, illegitimacy's, tax and welfare fraud, barrio blight, school decimation) like the Black Death.

Finally, Dubya effectively gave us the ObaMessiah, because "change" REALLY meant a repudiation of the failed Presidente Jorge Bush... America did not really intend to embrace more big guvment, but that is what is being foisted upon us.

MiBaron
Well you can bet there are some former Chrysler bondholders who do.

Oracle 1
You are absolutely right about W.

The question is, why did the conservatives sheepishly follow him when they had control of the government? And why should they be allowed to gover again?

Gangster Government
Yes, this government will cater to the UAW, and what will they gain in return? Well, the bondholders, unemployed car dealers and suppliers, the unemployed factory workers, and the families of all those affected, will turn upon this government and the UAW and vote ALL of them out of office. The rule of law is completely ignored, and I hope that some shareholder or bondholder will bring this to the Supreme Court to enforce the rule of law!

Obama's Projected Thuggery DEAD On
Barone predicted pre-election an Obama administration given to thuggery a la' ACORN, Chicago politice, UAW creeps.... So who could posssibly be surprised that they would attempt to strong arm, like the mafioso, a Chrysler settlement that completely ignores contract and bankruptcy laws in order to hand UAW equity contol of Chrysler?

Welcome to socilistist fascism, the wave Hitler rode to power.

Hit the streets or watch America die at the hands of Obama and his minions!!

Time is running out.

Glenn
"Why shuld they be allowed to govern again?"

Thanks for using this thread to demonstrate just what thugs lefist like you really are.

Allowed to govern?

Allowed?

Read your constitution.

Or buy a gun.

Eugene
Allowed to govern?

REPLY:
Yes, allowed to govern by the electorate.

But you did not answer my question--why conservatives should be trusted when they sold their principles for the feel of power.

Hey, correct patriot
Where'd you run to? You look a little dry.

Its simple
What conservatives are constantly, and unjustly, accused of doing, liberals do at every opportunity.

Churchhill Said,
If you're 25 years old or younger and not a Democrate you have no heart. If you're over 25 and not a Republician, you have no brains!

Dubya left us
re:
"But you did not answer my question--why conservatives should be trusted when they sold their principles for the feel of power."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dubya left conservatives when he embraced big spending... an inherent problem of a republican (small R) form of government is that the pols will tend to spend to buy favor... the corruption of power is among those incumbent pols.

Arlen Specter personifies that-- his only "principle" is getting re-elected... he has no real grounding except personal aggrandizement and perpetuation.

But the voters must bear responsibility for sending them... like addicts, they cuss Congress collectively, but usually speak well of THEIR reps who send back the pork-- and voters keep sending them back.

Contract Violation
If what the Bush administration did after 9/11 has generated so much negative media and liberal attention for alleged privacy and torture dictum, will we see the same level of visceral venom spewed at Obama for breaking Constitutional protections of auto company bond holders in order to nationalize corporate America and pay back the UAW? In my dreams!

Glen
Trust us? You don’t have to trust us. You’ve never trusted us and you never will.
So what’s your point?

Your point is to skirt the issue and squeamishly backtrack on what you said earlier.

You said, “Allowed to govern.” And you meant “allowed to govern”. Because that’s what your goal is. Like a typical leftist, you want to control everything and everyone. Just like your dear leader. The One.

You threw in the electorate part to cover your already exposed a$$.

Hey at least man up and admit it.

You gave yourself up, pal.


Hey Correct Patriot!
Have you seen Glen?

Or did he get a little dry?

I realize that the unions
played a huge part in this. But please don't underestimate the role of The Obama Administration. Someone ought to rename him Bama Hood because he takes from those better off and arbitrarily gives it to those less well off. 'course he also pays off his buddies as well.

I thought that it was the intention of The Constitution to allow us the right to work and to utilize our money as an inalienable part of our endeavors. And for our families.

Obamass is rewriting The Constitution with one thing in mind. To create a socialist country. This hasn't worked overseas and we will suffer the same fate. To see a great nation go down the tubes because a bunch of do-gooders thought we needed this monster to makes us all seem "nicer" to everyone else is enough to make me wish I could heave my supper in their laps.

Lib At Heart
"No reason to lie?
"Lauria is a reputable lawyer and a contributor to Democratic candidates. He has no motive to lie."

LAH: Except that he is a lawyer representing a client that stands to benefit if it can show that it was harmed during the process.

D: Apart from a fiduciary duty to his clients, he can be held in contempt, sanctioned, disbarred, and named as a defendant in a suit, why, pray tell, would you think that he lied? His statements have been vindicated by members of the Executive suite at Chrysler.

"Especially since it was the only one of the bondholders to accept the initial offer."

D: His clients owned preferred stock, which gave them rights as preferred shareholders.

Obama abrogated contract law, engaged in tortious interference, threatened the holdouts, and acted unconstitutionally because it violated the Takings Clause. Kelo is inapplicable here. Look up the 5th Amendment as it applies to corporations.

LAH: Legal maneuver?

Pray tell, where did you go to law school, what was your GPA, how many times did you have to take the Bar, and how many cases did you try?

Even after 17 years, I know all of mine, es-tu?

Hey, they voted for this.

0bama is a thug from my town.

And one thing anybody from Chicago knows is that you do not mess with the unions once they help you. That would be like crossing the mob. Oops, I've already said too much.

Organized crime
DEmocrat Party
Unions

Judith
You don't mean Robin Hood. He stole from the tax-collectors and corrupt church leaders and gave it back to the taxpayers.

Did you mean in the hood? Like a criminal.

Glenn, oh Glenn
I'm back. I had to go and spend time preparing to go on my non-union earned vacation. I'm going as far away from unionized labor as I can in PA to fish. If I keep my bait near the bottom we may even meet. If it sounds like a carp, and smells like a carp, it stands to reason...

My father worked in a USW shop. Their whole reason for being was to stretch the job out as long as possible. My brothers worked for American Bridge Div. once they met their "quotas" they would shut it down and go hide for the rest of their shift (usually 3-4 hours.) They would brag about it! When American Bridge shut its doors all they did was blame Mgmt. This is why no thinking business person who invests their OWN capital wants unions.

And so it begins
And so we have the first tale of corruption in the Obama administration. What's a little graft among friends, right? UAW scratches Obama's back, Obama scratches UAW's back, what's wrong with that?

Sure, in the grand scheme of political scandals, this one's pretty mild (Compared with, say, actively selling a senate seat, or receiving campaign contributions from foriegn governments), but only 4 months into the Administration? That's not a good sign, particularly given the tactics used. Sounds like a page out of ACORN's book, doesn't it? Graft on the one hand, and extortion on the other. And if there WERE death threats, that elevates it up to a very serious crime for which people need to be prosecuted.

On Unions
120 years ago, unions were an important part of the American landscape. Unions pressed for basic things like better pay for what is very hard work (IT folks like me have no concept of the hard work an 1880s factory worker had to do). They forced safety programs to be instituted, such things as guard rails around vats of molten steel, and the like. They pushed for the 40-hour work week, overtime pay, and time off for weekends, holidays, etc. All of which we take for granted today.

But the usefulness wore off by 1950. By 1950 labor laws pretty much required weekends, overtime, holidays, and other things that were needed, so the Unions had to fight for other things. Now, the unions fight to, for example, protect the jobs of unproductive employees (The federal government, by the way, is unionized), to keep pay well above what the market will support, to provide expensive pensions and other lifelong benefits (like healthcare) to retirees and so forth. When the contract runs out, rather than taking into account what their members have done for the company, and negotiating accordingly, they simply want the status quo ante, plus some extra consideration. And the further it goes, the more ridiculus the considerations will become.

Eugene
You still won't address my question.

Funny how all the necons critisize Obama all over the place, but when a tough question is posed to them, they cry "not on topic." The question was, "Why should voters trust conservatives when they sold out under Bush and his policies?" They followed Bush like sheep.

how we KNOW that Obama is hard left
First, he was the SINGLE MOST liberal voting senator per left groups like ADA-- that is pretty starkly revealing, given how liberal various senators are.

Second, consider his associations... his mother was CLEARLY on the left... she twice married another ethnicity as if to prove a point, and her story is counter-culture.

Third, his wife (rarely proud of her country) helped him choose a separatist black radical church... he sat there listening to the rants of Revrund Wright damming America (as that church of "poor people" was building the Revrund a $2 MILLION home). Tough life bein' po'! Like Michelle getting a sinecure $400k job as a "hospital consultant"-- no wonder health care is so expensive!

Fourth, the ACORN neighborhood association thing REEKS of anti-establishment and leftist machine politics.

We are what we choose to associate with... if he walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... he simply polished up his act for the run for POTUS, and the fawning MSM, with tingles running up their legs, shamefully allowed him to get away with it. Then again, to THEM (Keith Olbermann) Obama is moderate!

hey Glenn-- stop conflating "neocon"
... with conservative. I answered your rhetorical question that you did not really want answered below... Dubya was simply the "lesser evil," but he was NO true conservative.

Would AlGore or John Cohen-Kerry have been better? Absolutely not! The tax cuts and SCOTUS and other court appointees alone are signal differences.

As for neoCON, those among us who are paleocons (true conservatives) know that neoCONS are phony conservatives... they began on the far left (Irving Kristol-- father of Bill) and simply feigned being conservative to glom onto the prevailing force in power for years starting w/Reagan.

The REAL TRUE agenda of neoCONS is Zionism-- you can see that here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://www.codoh.info/zionweb/zionpgiraq.html

The whole "compassionate conservatism" artful stratagem was simply their inherent liberal bent bubbling up.

Glenn's stupid question...
Glenn - I'll answer your question WITH another question:

Why SHOULDN'T voters trust conservatives (*real* conservatives, not the RINOs we've had recently), after seeing the direction O-Blaba and Gaffes Biden are taking with this country??

Give us a true conservative like Reagan. Then stand back and watch America prosper and return to glory. That's your answer.

Now, let's see how long it takes YOU to answer a simple question.

Stupid guilty white folk...
You know who I'm talking to.

You voted for this guy.

You drive around in your Priuses and your Volvos with the bumper-stickers saying "Change" and with that stupid looking rainbow/sun thingy (WTF *is* that anyway?).

You thought it would be "SOO COOL" to have a "Black" man in the White House.

You gush and blush when THE ONE speaks.

You could care less about the wool he's pulling over everyone's eyes but are quite enamored with his choice of a dog.

You felt guilty when his wife said she was, in so many words, ashamed to be an American.

You refuse to listen to reason. You couldn't care less about fact.

You shout down anyone who has the nerve to try and initiate a meaningful discussion on politics - but might disagree with you.

You think Oblama is "soooo smart - the smartest man to occupy the White House EVER"!

You proclaim to the heavens above what a success ole' Barry has been but you can't produce a single example proving this supposed "success".

You think "Bush Lied, Kids Died" is true. You think Bush singlehandedly caused Katrina and the economic downturn.

You think it's funny how Bush mangled words but you listen in awe to "UMM"s and "AAHH"s and "OHHS".

You don't want us to locate, refine, and utilize our astounding energy reserves located here but have no problem with leveling acres of ground for windmill or solar fields.

Give yourselves a BIIIIG pat on the back...YOU are the reason why we are in the shape we are in.

You bought the line...believed in the marketing campaigns...drank the kool-aid...got swept away by the politics of "change" and "hope"...and sold your vote to the devil.

Congratulations. Take a good look in the mirror. You are the reason we are in this mess.

Glenn
I did answer your question. I'll do it slowly this time.

You don't have to trust us! I don't care if you trust us. Case Closed!

Learn to read.
Oh I'm sorry....... you had a union teacher.

BTW. Don't think that I and a lot of other readers here missed the fact that you switched gears and played the Bush card.

Your motto is: When I'm getting my a$$ kicked on a thread go to the "Bush Card".

And like the twink you are, you refuse to respond when I called your punk a$$ out.

Some people believe that the only thing that will set America right is a violent revolution. I'm not sure if that is true or not and am not willing to jump on that bandwagon just yet.

But if it does happen, my advice to you is stay in your mom's basement in the fetal position until it's over and be careful not to wet yourself.

Eugene...Right ON!
Absent of ANYTHING concrete to point to, and of course without ANYTHING of substance to draw from in the way of accomplishments to-date by their "God" and "Ruler" (ie: OBOBBER), their "trump-card" and motto, their ENTIRE source of discord, is: "It's Bush's Fault". Free to use like a "get out of jail free card" at any time, like Monopoly.

It's really easy to be a liberal. Don't think. Don't read, don't do any research. Just read the New York Times, watch network TV. Then, simply repeat after me...everyone...together, like a seance:

"It's Bush's Fault"..."It's Bush's Fault"...hummmmm....ohhhhhh....hummmmm...etc.

I'm surprised you don't see them sitting around candles chanting it.

It will never happen but...
the first and perhaps most important step needed to take back this country from the Marxists is to outlaw unions, especially public parasite unions. These are the unions representing the cults of over pampered, overpaid, over perked, over pensioned, lazy, greedy, ungrateful, arrogant teachers, cops, etc. living in fantasy land inside the magic kingdom on the backs of taxpayers with real jobs.

FarinessMan
Good Post.

The unions are going to crumble and blow away no matter what.

The union model simply can't sustain itself. The math doesn't work and math never lies. And Union leadership knows this. The people responsible for the templates of these contracts that include these legacy costs did these deals in the 60's and 70's. They knew that by the time these deals imploded they would be dead. They took their's off of the top and went on their merry way with their fingers crossed. "What me worry about 2009?"

The guys in power at the UAW today are doing the same thing. All they did was buy more time and take their skim. "Screw tomorrow!" is their motto. They’ll deal with it then. For right now let’s just keep the cash rolling in.

That's why I cringe when I hear rank and file members vent their spleens about how great the unions are and continue to vote for this machine. They really believe they will get this money as promised. And there simply isn’t enough to go around. They’re the ones getting chumped. And by the very people they put in power

Like I said in an earlier post, the Chrysler deal only bought the UAW time. Sooner than later they will run themselves out of money ala the former (I love saying former) Soviet Union. And when they go to Uncle Sam well….. …..That cupboard will be empty too!!


Thanks Eugene
I pray you are right but I fear you are wrong, especially about the public "workers." They steal more from the American taxpayers than all the Bernie Madoffs, Mafia, street criminals etc. combined.

FUNNY person answers all the questions!
The American citizens individually have few rights. Unless you are serving a collective, then you don't really have a voice.

If you are so inclined, take a gander at this blogger, as he is HYSTERICAL!!! But he is right for sure! http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/04/govt-bigger-and -blacker.html

StuckinaBlueState post
@ 9:35 -- says it all...... AMEN!!!

t. Denis aka Denise
AMEN. SISTER!! I somewhat disagree as to the "crappy" as pertains to Ford products but I will NOT buy them either..I am Retired Military and retired from my *second career* which was Union..I can buy any Ford Product (thru my BrotherFord Retiree) and save CONSIDERABLEY, but I will no longer avail myself of that option..The Democrat/Union MARRIAGE MUST CEASE!!
CHEERS!!

Stuck in A Blue State....
Did hit it out of the park @ 9:35.


What do Unions, ACORN, the UAW...

and Obama have in common?


They are ALL thugs.


Shiite, didn't Michael Corleone and Tony Soprano champion "unions"?

Add, the "brother, what brother?", the murders of many, cement shoes, the Bada Bing! strip joint, corruption, and damn the American worker so that illegals can get union jobs, et. al.


Let me know when Chanel produces cement shoes or boots. In the meantime, I hope that the Waxman-Frank "car" gets less treatment than a "mug" and a gerbil.

Thanks, but NO F*CKING THANKS. I will keep my pricey European car, which happens to have fewer miles and emissions.


Roy, WV

Roy, thank you. You should know that my first and ONLY union-made car was a Found On Road Dead (Ford).

No to unions
Wow!! This commentary and its posters have really opened up my eyes. All we've heard for the last several decades is "Buy Union," thinking it would help American workers. I have owned Fords for the last 15 years with pretty good results.

Now I am seriously considering "Don't Buy Union." Too bad, the new Fusions sure are hot.
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