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Monday, May 04, 2009
Michael Barone :: Townhall.com Columnist
Beware of Mandatory Arbitration in Card Check
by Michael Barone
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In his statement explaining his decision to switch from the Republican to the Democratic Party, Sen. Arlen Specter assured his listeners that "my position on Employees Free Choice (card check) will not change." In later statements, Specter was explicit in opposing both major provisions of the bill -- the effective abolition of the secret ballot in unionization elections and mandatory federal arbitration -- and said he would not vote for cloture.

Whether or not Specter maintains his current stand, he has spotlighted an interesting issue. The labor unions' drive for the full card check bill seems to have foundered. Specter enters a Democratic caucus where a half-dozen or more senators have made it clear, publicly or privately, that they will not vote for card check.

His statement gives cover to a Democratic leadership that wants to propitiate its labor union funders but does not want to put so many of its members on the spot. A vote to effectively abolish the secret ballot is not easy to defend come election time.

But the unions may have a fallback position: Forget about the secret ballot, and try to pass a bill with mandatory federal arbitration. This might be easier to defend. Every American knows what the secret ballot is; few Americans know what mandatory arbitration means.

Mandatory arbitration would be a major, massive change in American labor law. Currently, unions are free to strike, but employers are free to resist their demands as long as they want. The card check bill would require, after only 120 days of bargaining, a federal arbitrator to step in and impose a settlement. A centralized bureaucrat, not responsible to shareholders (or to union leaders), would determine wages, fringe benefits and working conditions. There would evidently be no appeal.

No one knows exactly what this would mean in practice. But the negative consequences are easy to imagine. Arbitrators might very well impose terms and conditions similar to those in existing union-negotiated contracts. Those might include not only wages that would reduce a business' profits, but also generous fringe benefits and thousands of pages of detailed work rules.

Private employers might be forced into funding union pension plans with their massive long-term liabilities. Detailed work rules would mean adversarial negotiations between company foremen and union shop stewards over even the most minor changes in work procedures.

How would this affect the economy? We have a test case before us, highlighted by recent headlines, which gives us some answers: the auto industry.

The U.S.-based auto manufacturers -- once known as The Big Three -- have been running their businesses this way since they entered into contracts with the United Auto Workers between 1937 and 1941. Foreign-based auto manufacturers, in contrast, have run factories in this country for the last 25 years without union contracts. Two of the Big Three, Chrysler and General Motors, are now facing bankruptcy, and the third, Ford, has just reported big losses. The foreign-based companies, though facing difficult times, are economically viable.

This is true even though wages at the U.S. and foreign companies are virtually the same. But lavish fringe benefits -- especially retiree health-care benefits -- have proved ruinous to the U.S.-based companies. And even more damaging, it can be argued, are the thousands of pages of work rules in their UAW contracts.

The Japanese and other companies, unburdened by such contracts, can use flexible management techniques, giving autonomy and responsibility to assembly line workers, eroding the distinction between management and labor, and encouraging employees to take the initiative to improve their products. The U.S.-based companies, tethered by their UAW contracts, can't do this. The result is that for decades the foreign companies produced better quality vehicles and their sales increased at the expense of companies based here.

Detroit executives realized this, and today their companies produce some cars competitive in quality with Japanese and German products. But it has taken years of hard and expensive bargaining and has come too late to save them.

The card check bill's mandatory arbitration provisions are a recipe for doing to very large parts of the private sector what the UAW did to GM, Ford and Chrysler. Imposing this burden on our economy would be folly of the first order. Here's hoping that Arlen Specter keeps his word this time, and that his new colleagues think hard before they inflict such long-term damage on our country.

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Arbitration Is BS.

In 17 years, I have never allowed a client to sign a contract with an arbitration clause (which is mandatory through its inclusion in the contract). Take you case (or have to defend against one) in front of a single arbitrator or an arbitration panel of 3, and you are prohibited from appealing the decision. Thus, if the arbitrator is biased against you as a defendant and awards the plaintiff gazillions of dollars, you are totally screwed.

And, mediation is a waste of time because the parties don't need to participate in good faith.

You either settle or go to court.

'Folly"
Isn't that the Democrats game-plan? It's hard to continue to care.

THE BIGGEST UNION OF ALL
IS our government itself. Its Union workers, the politicians, sole objective is to maintain their employment and their benefits without any regard, concern or commitment to its shareholders, the American People.
Our Country is NO LONGER the United States of America, but the Unionized States of America.
A 'Failure' waiting to happen and an 'Opportunity NOT to be WASTED' by the International Community of our enemies.

Logic, Please
What is the logic to compulsory arbitration? Can the placing of the future of any manufacturing company in the hands of a bureaucrat be acceptable? The government is getting into too many areas of our economy. If they control, they own it.

Having
never worked in a union shop, i have no idea how much union dues are.
Can anyone enlighten me?

I do know that the company i worked for paid salaries a little bit higher than the one my neighbor worked for.
He worked for a union company prior joining our nonunion co.

LD35

LD35
Location: IN
Reply # 6
Date: May 4, 2009 - 6:43 AM EST Having
never worked in a union shop, i have no idea how much union dues are.
Can anyone enlighten me?

I do know that the company i worked for paid salaries a little bit higher than the one my neighbor worked for.
He worked for a union company prior joining our nonunion co.

~~~

LD35,

I worked for 4 different UAW controlled factories over 40 some years.

In each case the MANDATORY contribution by every worker, was ONE HOUR of pay per week.

At todays rate that would be

about $ 40 to $ 60 per week from each of

several thousand workers at each factory.

Nationwide, this adds up to one big pile of money to buy members of Congress willing to get rich by bribery.



Its axiomatic ...
if moneyed people are confiscatorily taxed, they'll take their money elsewhere ... to a different state or even a different country. If labor expenses get too high, a company will move offshore.

The US is not the only game in town ... even though Barney Frank thinks he can control everyone/everything.

Government be dam*ned.

Its axiomatic (#2) ...
I took three corporations to Arizona because the idiots in the CA legislature are blind to reality.

And I'm doing my manufacturing in China because of the exorbitant labor rates here.

Unions etc.
Every time we think we have it handled the other shoe drops . This is always the way with the Democrats! WHY - It is sad and disgusting but it just goes so much deeper. Maybe Alex Jones has it right about his new film The Obama Deception. It is hair raising - Who really pulls the strings on us all?

Unions are the Swine Flu of Business
I am a govenment employee, without union representation, thank you very much. and also at the age group where I can join AARP and just the thought that these are unions or that I would be joining anytype of union makes me sick. I wont give my hard earned money to any idiot that feels he should represent me.

No Jeany ...
the Republicans need to do a better job of promoting its position; unfortunately, the Left is far more adept at this.

For all the criticism heaped on Bush, he didn't simply keep us safe for 7 years ... his aggressive policies decimated Al Quaeda. Doubt that? Check the Al Quaeda org chart before and after. Bush was for globally open trade; that's Capitalism at its finest. Too much spending ... true. But GW wasn't going to be distracted from his and government's fundamental obligation ... protection against foreign enemies. We owe him a debt of gratitude.

Alex Jones' dissing of GW at the beginning of his film is despicable.

The same day
that Specter switched, that night he had a TV commercial telling how wholehearted was his support for the card check bill. That is how believable he is.

unions
the union shop where i worked had binding arbitration in regards to grievances. the company won 90 per cent of them. and the company was the only party who could appeal a decision. pretty good deal, if you were in management lol. if they lost most of the time they just appealed until the employee quit, was fired or died. and anyone who thinks you can't be fired in a union shop is either management or has never worked union. they get documentation just like at a non union shop. actually its easier because a worker covered under a union contract is less likely to sue for wrongful termination.

Unions
One problem,is that the national union bosses are out of touch with their members.At the national level the union president is a dictator.Whatever he say goes.If you buck him your'e gone.They only want members for the dues money they get.They don't give a damn whether they have a job.Your dues also cover operations of the locals.It is true that every member is payed the same,the exception being the foreman.He can make any amount over his union wage his employer wants to pay him.

Mrs.Ramsey
If I were you I would think twice about aarp.They are nothing more than a political arm of the dems.Look around for other senior organizations to join

I agree with Joel
Unions were necessary in the beginning. Now they have fallen the way of big government. Very few Union members get a voice as to where their dues are spent and for what political party it is given to. It is now about the UNION and not about the WORKER.

Owning a business and trying to be a responsible citizen and employer, I would simply tell our employees..."when we do well, you will do well". In 20 years these employees never missed a paycheck, never took a paycut and were never laidoff. I can't say that myself or my partner didn't take a paycut or miss a paycheck but I'm proud of that fact.

OBAMA JUST FULFILLING LENINS DREAM

.....Lenin dreamt of a labor movement where the workers would take over the means of production and take the factories away from the owners (stockholders) ...

.....OBAMA is the spiritual reincarnation of LENIN .....

....Our press and our educational institutions have been laying the groundwork for this take over of industry by the Government for decades ...all that was needed was a sufficiently ignorant populace to elect a foreign national Marxist to the Presidency ...

.....COLOSSUS

Chrysler, leading by example
With the imminent turnover of Chrysler Operations to the UAW, under the tutelage of auto great Barack Obama, the public will get an immediate example of just how well a company under union leadership can operate.

As dealerships for Chevrolet, Chrysler and even Ford shut their doors, plants shut down due to slow sales of cars people don't want and support industries lay off thousands, management by bureaucrats will be clear.

Joel & BK
thank you both !!!!!
I was in two difft. teamsters unions here in Ohio and got screwed by both, but was able to watch our { BA } drive around in a new Caddy and wear Armoni suits.. thats where our { dues } went to...
This government has for way to long now been sliding away from our constitution, and we are reaping the rewards of not being diligent in our duty as citisens..
All I can add to this is that I urge everyone to take time out on July 4th and go to a TEA party and let your voice be heard. Please take a cam-corder with you or some kind of a recording device. Camra taperecoder etc.
Be safe out there, and may God bless each and everyone of us, and our country

And Fiat is supposed to save Chrysler ?
If unions membership in the past was higher than now, even with secret ballot in place, what sense does it make to claim that they need card check, in order to be on an even footing. Obviously the workers have come to realize that the unions are not for workers, as they are for themselves, as are all organizations. If Chrysler goes under as it surely will, ( Fiat is supposed to save them, give me a break - that the same company that ran Yugo ) maybe Americans will start to realize how a union can utterly destroy a company.

Card Check
The major problem with unions is that they have to work with very bad management.

Of the big 3, two are going belly up, but one is not. Why? Why most of you are readily slamming bloated unions as the problem, none of you are talking about the real reason:

NO ONE IS BUY DETROIT'S PRODUCT.

If they produced a product that people perceived as value for value, they would still be in business. But for 30 years they have stonewalled on every innovation Japan produced in response to regulations here in the US.

Based on my personal experience, I will never buy a Chevy or Dodge again. How many other Americans have felt ripped off like me and adamantly refuse to buy Detroit's crap?

Blame the unions if you want, but should GM and Chrysler survive, I and a great many others will not buy their product.

The Dem. Nutter Senator

Yesterday, new-Democrat, Arlen Specter said that he could have "saved" Jack Kemp from "cancer" if the GOP had only listen...

...even though, Kemp was only diagnosed in January.

Evidently, that Messianic touch of his new Massa has rubbed off on him!


Hey, maybe, he get his magic wand and wave it over the economy and fix all up for his Massa!

Bleeding Heart liberal writes
Blame the unions if you want, but should GM and Chrysler survive, I and a great many others will not buy their product.

Part of the problem is with the bloated Union contracts. Nobody can be laid off for 7 years and recieve 90% of their wages. Management is wrong for giving into them.

I'm match my GM car with whatever foreign crap you buy anyday!!!!!

What's the difference
The American public has already been duped into electing a Communist government. The card check bill is insignificant compared to that accomplished fact.

As for Arlen Specter, he will vote however he needs to to get re-elected. If he balks on card check, the Socialist party will threaten to put up an opponent, just like the Republicans.

BK
I love your patriotism, but you are delusional if you believe that GM produces a car that compares with many foreign automakers. Unless, that is, you are mostly interested in cup holders and DVD players.

Employee Free Choice
Employees have always had free choice. If they don't like how they are treated, they are free to choose to find a different job for a different company.

If a company continues to treat employees poorly, they will either fail or they will learn to change.

The problem is - too many people want someone else to fight their fight for them. Be responsible for yourself.

Charles
I currently have a 92 Firebird...V8..30 mpg

I had a 72 Monte Carlo...had for 24 yrs..V8 350
best car I ever owned.

Currently also have a 04 Chevy Trailblazer V6
rides like a car and have 63000 miles. 21 on the highway..replaced tires..that's it.

Sometimes, it's also how you take care of em as well.

Charles
that would be Marxist Socialist just to be clear. What a disaster. How could we have allowed this to happen?

Michael Is Warning America's Workers!
Thank you, Michael, for explaining the option that could possibly be implemented through Mandatory Arbitration without the right to exercise the right of appeal. This is nothing new in the judicial system as many litigants have entered into mandatory or binding arbitration and lost in a few minutes and had no recourse. Mandatory or binding arbitration in my opinion is the perfect recipe to lose and if the constitutional right to appeal is denied then what's the point of arbitrating? Why not just set up a union casino in Vegas where the parties meet and the "arbitrator" hands each party a pair of dice that they toss onto the gambling table and the winner takes all. At least, it would be more fun and more entertaining than just losing, period!

BK
You can't keep living in the past. I had a 67 Malibu and a 72 Malibu, both great cars that lasted many years and many miles. Then I bought a new Citation, possibly the worst car ever to come out of GM (oh, no, I forgot the Aztek). When the Citation died, I bought an 89 Acura Integra that I am still driving today, as well as other Hondas for family members.

GM would need to give me a car free (or close to it) in compensation for the Citation to win back my loyalty. Add to that my lack of interest in buying from a government-owned company.

As for buying into Obama's Communism as "change", who ever said that the mob was intelligent? Bottom line is, we're screwed and it's too late to do anything about it.

Union Skills
Give me a break, these UAW guys want Masters Degree money for High School level work...

Does a guy really deserve 40-60 bux an hour to put on bumpers or doors?

UAW will soon stand for Unemployed Auto Workers

Oh No
No secret ballot, it's the end of the world!

Unions
Try getting a job if your not in a union. I have been looking for months now. Anyone need a non-union glass artist?

It's all about
screwing America. If it is bad for America, Obama loves it. If it can gain more POWER for the one, that's even better! A real win-win situation for our Somalian in chief.

30 mpg
BK
Sir you do not have a 92 firebird v8 that gets 30 mpg. you are tellin a lie or you failed math.

David
That's what the Democratic Party is all about,
yessiree. Power for the one. Worshipful
obedience by the rest. I learned that in
high school 50 years ago. Nothing has changed.
You hit it right on the nose.

No Detroit For Me, Ever

I haven't had Detroit crap in over 20 years and will walk before I every buy a American union-made car. In fact, I stay away from anything union-made every opportunity that I get.

I hate union thugs and they don't care for union workers either. They are in cahoots with the Obama Administration to bring about another amnesty for illegals.

Why? Because as the Union official said, "Our job is to raise money for the union and if we can unionize those that are illegal right now, we will raise even more."

Notice that he didn't say anything about current union workers. In fact, he said "workers be damned."

Tyler
I suppose that next we can do away with secret ballots in government elections. The Obama Brownshirts will just knock on your door and demand you mark your ballot for the Fuehrer. Sieg Heil, Obama!

Sounds extreme, but how is this different from "card check"?

charles
because you buy into the fallacy that the efca eliminates the secret ballot provision. it doesn't. ever notice how barone uses the phrase "effectively eliminates" when he writes about it?

UNIONS AND INDUSTRY - A SORRY TALE

.....If you want to see where unions lead then plan a trip to GARY IN ...

.....GARY was built by US STEEL ...it was a company town that employed thousands ...then the unions went to work ...

.....I can remember when the blast furnaces ran 24/7 and lit up the sky at night ...today GARY is an abandoned ghost town ...

.....If you want a look into the future ...look at GARY ...are you listening DETROIT? .....COLOSSUS

Roy
OK. The union thugs can only bypass a secret ballot if they get 50% of the workers to sign. Not that difficult when the union goons harass and threaten you.

So why don't you tell the truth?

The fact is that many employees do not want to be unionized but are unable to stand up to peer pressure without a secret ballot.

But then unions are Communist organizations anyway, just like the Obama administration.

Worker representation
Both the Union and the Company want something from the workers. If they go to arbitration, who represents the workers?

Denise, RK, Baseballdoc et al.,
Hello all! Hey, since you guys have said it better than I could, I won't pontificate on the same points about arbitration and unions.

I would like to offer an observation from here in Europe. Ford cars are everywhere. More so than Japanese cars. I had to rent a Fusion when my car was in the shop (got hit from behind at a red light) and believe it or not I actually liked the car. It rode and handled as well as any of the comparable German makes and better than Opel and VWs I've driven. Point being, don't write Ford off just yet before you test drive their new cars.

That said, I still don't like what the unions have become. Can anybody say "Teachers' Unions." Look how they have helped education. LOL.

Another joke
Placing hope in Specter or any liberal is laughable at best.

roy, et alia...


I hate Serials, but...



Of the many weird things that roy wrote over the last few months,

it is obvious to me, who spent many years in the UAW, and over 40 years of working around them, that...


ROY IS A UNION OFFICIAL THUG.

Anything roy writes is therefore suspect.

Union offiicial...

No work activities.

Over $ 100,000 per year for no required work.

Protects malingerers, thieves and criminals.

Example : At the last factory I worked at, a uninion official stole several hundred dollars in Vendor receipts. He carried them out in a modified Thermos. He was stopped by Plant Protection, from a tip.

He was fired. He was off three weeks, then brought back, with 3 weeks back pay.

Later, he was a city official. I am certain his modus opperandi did not change.

~~~

From the same batch of thieves, The local UAW pres. was elected as Mayor. Same story.

City is now a disaster.











charles
i am telling the truth. its you and the author that are trying to throw smokescreens around. if management can get 30 per cent of card signers to agree to a secret ballot then it goes to a secret ballot even if 100 per cent sign cards.

rat
geez not this guy again lol. no rat i never was a union official. i have been a shop steward but when they laid the last batch off i got laid off like everyone else. so i actually had to work for a living lol.

This is beyond Dangerous for $ America
What Voters don't know can destroy our Rights as a Nation in the name of Labor Unions and along with it the cost raising greatly on everything possible .
This is Obama most Dangerous radical ''cause '' , among many dangerous causes and Changes in our Constitution and Bill of Rights so far ... that is quietly moving under the table to a possible passage .
Facts - Unions send overhead though the roof , kill productivity 30-40 % and raise prices on all Cos and products .
they are involved in when they are not wild cat striking or demanding money for Not working as well as more people doing the Job far less did for years previously ... the problem is .... Unions hate Capitalism and Crave Socialism .... the more radical the better they like it ........................ That is simply why Unions don't and can't complete with the Warehouse hot priced Cos. in any Business , Product or enter net Thousands of hot product suppliers ... Wal Marts ,Sam's Club and Costco's of the world as well .
The only way Chrysler can complete now with their 55 % ownership and 101 % Control by the Unions is Obama demand the 5 Southern based Foreign Cars Cos pay the exact same high wages and Fringe Benefits as does Car Unions that broke the big 3 .
What is more than a little interesting is what will happen with the far left Billion dollar plus Computer and Soft ware Cos. who are not Unionized at all and their entire pay scales are based on Individual productivity, incentives and creative thinking unlike Unions at hourly wages .
Buyer beware .


rory

roy
Location: IL
Reply # 51
Date: May 4, 2009 - 5:28 PM EST rat
geez not this guy again lol. no rat i never was a union official. i have been a shop steward but when they laid the last batch off i got laid off like everyone else. so i actually had to work for a living lol.
~~~


Steward is a minor union official.

I rest my case.

Loser.

I hate Serials, but... Part 2.

I hate Serials, but... Part 2.


Workers at same factory, work for 90 days probation period.

Once past that point, they never have to do anything, other than show up, most days.

They can never be fired unless their boss wastes 40 hours per week for several months, documenting their crimes.

If the boss did this, he would have to be fired because he has a full time job doing other things.

Result?

A dead-head can do anything they want.

Company simply hires another person to do the job of the dead-head.

~~~
NOTE !!!

This also includes many salaried persons. I have worked around many, salaried persons who were dead-heads!

Play golf with the boss.

One Engineer never did a day's work in his life. Made way more money than I did.

His motto: "Let it age. If it is important, someone else will do it."

~~~

Another problem that screws the industry is that progress is measured "Quarterly".

You MUST profit every quarter.

Well, an industry that takes 3 years to develop a new product is screwed because they force themslves to HAVE NO long range plans.

Result? Disaster!





Conclusion:

Lefties run the Unions and Lefties run the factories.


NO DAMN GUTS ON EITHER SIDE !

Let them take regular bankruptcy and things might get better.

Cause of all this? Government interference.

We are doomed.

Make peace with your God, or learn how to live the life of a savage.



recon-usmc
costco is union. my dad was a marine and a good union man-they are not mutually exclusive.

roy the leech...

In over 40 years of working in and around unions,,

Shop stewards stir up hate and discontent while receiving full wages for doing nothing productive,

I define you as a leech.

A leech is an organism that that sucks the life blood out of its prey.



I hate Serials, but... Part 3.

I hate Serials, but... Part 3.


Life as a savage...

Kill animal.

Remove skin or feathers and innards.

Throw in fire.

Remove when hungry enough.

Eat food.

If you get really hungry, save innards, select the best and fix them anyway you want.

I suggest wrapping them in several layers of green leaves, skewer with a twig and turn them constantly for several minutes.

Then give them to your hunting dog.

~~~

I do have recipes for "long pig".

Please review "Soylent Green". Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson.

Also, note Christobal Colombo's visit to the Carrib islands of the Carribean.

Translation: Espanol ~ Carrib. English ~ Cannibal.

Great fun huh?

~~~

An aside note, it is now Federal law that cannibals are a protected group.
You cannot resist them or you will be charged with a hate crime.

Your choice.


Unions are so Yesterday
and so Rust Belt. That's the only place this thing really has teeth and as Chairman Obama seeks to become the CEO of every rust belt industry, very soon what is left of the old thug unions will become de facto public employee unions, slaves of the Democrat Party, and under their control and patronage.

If civil war ever comes to the United States again, it is funny but it will be a war not of citizen against citizen, but of citizen against government lackey. That is already how the state of California really divides up!

rat
rat webster? lol i've been called worse. i don't know how it is in the uaw but in the teamsters shop stewards don't get paid by the union and they have to work. harder as a matter of fact because you have a big target on your back. companies love to get rid of shop stewards. i was good though so they never had a reason to fire me. but its pretty much a thankless job. some members are always going to think you are in cahoots with management and some management is always going to think you are jimmy hoffa's brother. i never stirred up anything. just did the job to the best of my ability and when the company violated the contract i called them on it. i think thats about all you can ask for. its folks like you that were always undermining labor management relations. they'd bad mouth the union all the time but when they got in trouble who did they come running to? it wasn't management lol. it was me.

Recipe...


Recipe for Union officials, one each.

AND, shop stewards are union officails.


Feeds 100...

( Dogs or humans, what is the difference? )


Whack on head.

Remove innards, and throw away as the are poisonous.

For the remainder...

Cut into small portions, as this stuff may be toxic.

Skewer on bamboo rods.

Douse heavily with extreme hot sauce to hide the stench.

Roast over a very hot fire and do not be alarmed if it bursts into flame, from the inherent pork (Theft), from their previous activities.

When they are sufficiently grilled, offer them to your dog.

If the dog won't eat it, you 'know' they are toxic.


Again, I rest my case.






Teqsand


Teqsand
Location: CA
Reply # 35
Date: May 4, 2009 - 2:05 PM EST Union Skills
Give me a break, these UAW guys want Masters Degree money for High School level work...

Does a guy really deserve 40-60 bux an hour to put on bumpers or doors?

UAW will soon stand for Unemployed Auto Workers

~~~~~

AMEN !

I worked full time and went to college full time.

I supported 7 people at the time, and had a hell of a time of it.

Yep. UAW.

Later, as an Engineer, in, at that time a major company, I found out that people who could not read, were making more money than me.

Happy? You Bet!



I was happy that folk who stole money from me, through Union ~ managment bargaining stole money from me to fund losers.


This is not to say that rank and file workers had any say in the matter, but it
really boiled my arse that people who walked in off the street made more money than I did, after all the sacrifices I made, to obtain a better life.

Problem? Mismanagement, cowardice and subission to Union threats.

I can say without any fear of successful contradiction, that the entire problem falls on sissy management that had no testes.

OK, I can add that they were brain dead also.


~~~

Several years ago, My, That is "MY" cost of living allowance was removed.

Reason? The unions demanded a raise, and management gave them a B.J.
and eliminated salary COL. UAW COL remained the same.

Yes. I saw the writing on the wall at that time, but my job and pay was still better than I could get anywhere else.

Whatever the UAW wants, it gets.

What it will actually get, is the death of America.

I presume this IS WHAT they want.

As I see it, they have succeeded.



Ratas y Ratones
Thanks for the info about union dues.

I would much rather put my trust in company than anyone person or all of congress.

Puppet Obama said, "i owe the unions alot"

Most of the union dues money goes to the Socialist(dems) Party with the remainder being spent at the local tavern.

I new two union bosses that did exactly that.

Like it or Not - You Will Come to Terms
It's not like "mandatory arbitration" doesn't already sound fascist enough - something with a little more punch is needed to scare everyone. And scared you should be.

Jim writes:
30 mpg
BK
Sir you do not have a 92 firebird v8 that gets 30 mpg. you are tellin a lie or you failed math.

Sorry ACE, 30 MPG on the highway...small V8 Fuel Injected. Can still get it after 17 yrs. Change oil after each 3000 miles and it looks like when I bought. Sorry you can't deal with it but that's the facts jacks! You obviously have no knowledge of weight to MPG ratios.

Charles writes:
GM would need to give me a car free (or close to it) in compensation for the Citation to win back my loyalty. Add to that my lack of interest in buying from a government-owned company.


I'm not going to argue that one...citations were bad. I had a 1995 GMC Jimmy and that one was pretty bad to.

I know the Unions contracts were bad and so is their legacy costs. In addition, Management has not been the best stewards of Industry cause "It Ain't Their Money. I to hate that BO has involved government in private matters.

I do have a hard time buying a foreign vehicle although I would look at the Camaro or Impala.

Baseballdoc writes:
.....GARY was built by US STEEL ...it was a company town that employed thousands ...then the unions went to work ...


I know what you speak of...I worked there in 1972. That plant had 23,000 people employed at that time between the finishing end and the basic facility.

Now, I think maybe 4-5000 work there.

Union President used to take his committee to a little town in Pa to show them where he worked. The committee said where? There is no plant there. President said EXACTLY!

LET CHRYSLER AND GM ROT
O'Bama is obviously using taxpayer money as a payoff to the UAW for past support and future votes. It's time to snub the product! Don't buy these cars! Let O'Bama and the UAW crash and burn. It'll be like killing two birds with one stone. It's a no brainer.

Tim
Apparently you do not see the handwriting on the wall of the ruins of Dodge Main, which is why it is probably written there, but let me clue you in:

Once His Imperial Majesty has assumed the reins of America's late great auto industry, Chrysler will be an Italian company and GM products will be the only products the United States can buy. Military contracts will roll into Detroit, police fleets will give up their trusty Crown Victorias and GM vehicles will be the ONLY cars the government can purchase for both military and civilian use! With government subsidies, plus "the fix," nobody else will ever bid for United States business and contracts will always be awarded GM.

Because, Tim, WE THE PEOPLE (hahahahahaha) own the goddamned thing, and our Beloved Leader wants his new compaany to succeed. (I pause now while Kate Smith's "God Bless America" wells up in your heart)

Tim Writes:
LET CHRYSLER AND GM ROT


Sorry Tim, but I got to disagree with you here. I too believe that GM & Chrysler should have been aloud to go into bankruptsy in the fall of 2008. They would have been out by now and a little leaner. I hate to say it, but Ford was the smart one in all this.

However, buying foreign cars, wether made here or not is only sending profits to the foreign countries and kindof puts in the same position of oil...beholding to someone else when we are fully capable here.

I would say...buy Ford and put the onous on GM to put up or shut-up. Of course, I also say drill, drill, drill. We can be self-sufficient and then become energy smart after we eject the Arabs.

Boys, Their Toys & Their Clubs

Wow, guys!

I knew that would find you guys here. Anywhere that boys can compare their toys and clubs, there you will be. It just like 10th grade!!

What kind of engine did you have?

Did you like the tires that came with your car or did you decide to put change them and choose new rims on it?

Did your's come with the 8th track player or did you get that newfangled thing, the cassette thingy?

Yeah, and what position do you have in the "club"?

Who had the role of floor boy?

Was you capo named Guido Soprano or Tony Corleone?

And, just think. Y'all are behaving like good little boys. No conservative or liberal talk.

And, you managed to keep "will" out of the club. What gay boys don't like to talk cars? Oh, and where is moron the insane?

You see, I think Barone is absolute genius. He wrote a story about unions without using the words "marriage" or "union", which would have guaranteed that "will" would be driving you all nuts. And, Moron would just be recycling for the 100th time to compare Conservatives to the devil and pond scum.

I didn't even see one ROTFLMAO.

Oops! I guess that I just added it.

Luv ya.



Denise writes:
Boys, Their Toys & Their Clubs


You just jealous.....LOL

We can but hope
Since we are talking about the "Savior's" unions, crooks and other assorted DNC cronies; it rather pleases me that ACORN has been charged with voter fraud in Nevada.

As if we had any doubt about what ACORN perpetrated from coast to coast last fall.

Of course the Devils instrument, aka the ACLU, will jump into this one but, this could be the start of more charges in other parts of the country; we can but hope.


BK, Nah!
Boys, Their Toys & Their Clubs


You just jealous.....LOL


Nah, BK, just enjoying the banter.

You wanna talk Chanel, FMPs, guns, deepsea fishing yachts, golf clubs, the best hair products, whatever?


LOL

Denise...
Ah, you women love it...kindof like guys watching women and mudwrestling. LMAO

Ah, no perfume discussion, sorry...LOL

BK - Parfum

Boucheron

Treason
"inflict such long-term damage on our country."

Barone doesn't get it, that is their goal, they hate the U.S.

Let unions compete...
I despise what unions are today - and would never ever join one.

But, unions could be good for America and I would even support "card check", if the unions would accept a constructive 21st century role in the marketplace:

(1) Every applicant/employee has the unlimited option to not belong to any union, and those that do are 100% exempt from dues, rules, and benefits, etc. Let the union supply skilled labor to industry in even-up competition with willing, non-union labor.

(2) Unions could supply benefits, HR services, drug testing, training, workplace diversity, etc, to make their members more attractive employment resources - let the union add value.

(3) Retrain the NLRB to treat unions as 100% optional labor supply to businesses. Business hiring of non-union employees is not "breaking the union", it's "being in business". Unions going out on strike is just a voluntary decision of certain workers to quit working, and businesses can replace those workers as they see fit, or try to pursuade them to come back to work. Whatever.

(4) Government may not offer protection to unions that it does not also and equally extend to non-union labor. OSHA, unemployment benefits, job protections, ERISA, taxes, etc. all must be union-neutral.

If unions would act like that, I'd say we could have as many unions as the marketplace will bear. They would be expressions of America's greatest priveleges and freedoms to peaceably gather and associate. I'd welcome them, but I still wouldn't join.

Unions that exist to bully, to hinder innovation and preserve mediocrity ought to illegal. How is violence and intimidation to achieve union ends different from terrorism?

Brian
Really great ideas.

Unfortunately, the union that does not exist to "bully, hinder innovation, and preserve mediocrity" has yet to be formed. And most unions are even worse than that.

Second the Motion on AARP
My AARP renewal cards were on my desk for a month before I threw 'em in the Garbage this AM.
I agree they (AARP) have become a very vocal advocate for the Left.. I thought, initially, it was just coincidental, but DEFINITELY NO.. No more AARP FOR ME..
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