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Sunday, September 06, 2009
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Dick Cheney is More American than Barack Obama
by Kevin McCullough
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Seeing that polls give us little snapshots of what the appetite of the nation is like at any given moment, I'm astounded by the moment we find ourselves in. As you sit reading this, former Vice President Cheney is on a two month surge of popularity. President Barack Obama, on the other hand, is doing his best Wile E. Coyote impression with no brakes on the rocket car, and has just careened over the edge of the fifty-foot cliff.

So what has boosted the former Vice President anywhere from 8-10%, while watching the President nose dive 11-14%?

I'm certain the layers to this answer are many.

The President has had a rough summer, and with his fall looking even more deficient in enthusiasm due to dropping employment numbers and even more depressing economics, things look tough for the foreseeable future. People could be remembering that unemployment during the previous administration hovered in the 4-5% range for nearly the totality of two terms, and as such people long for the days when they had jobs. Obama promised he'd personally never allow the unemployment rate to surpass 8%, but now with his current unemployment rate rising to 9.7%, the President wishes he could somehow get back to that 8% number desperately.

But I'm fairly certain that it's something more than that.

The current administration doesn't seem to understand that creating growth within the economy would help solve the most number of needs for the most people. If someone has a job, they can choose whether they want health care or not. If someone has a job, they can decide to invest and save for the future, so that when tough times come they're more prepared. If someone has a job, they can feed their family, and give the ones they love a better place to live. If someone has a job, many other parts of life get better for many, many people.

Vice President Cheney never forgot that by helping the small businessman in America you help roughly a dozen families simultaneously. By cutting the tax burdens of small business (people the current administration label "rich" and "evil") you help provide the livelihoods for a dozen families. By creating a smaller burden on small business you would create jobs, and jobs solve many other problems that Americans are now facing.

Yet again, I'm not truly convinced that this is the secret to why America is moving towards Cheney and away from Obama.

Personally I think it comes down to gravitas, seriousness, and the ability to look out for Americans.

President Obama seems completely uninvolved in the actions of his Attorney General Eric Holder. He's even gone so far as to intimate that he cannot control the choice of cases Holder decides to open, look into, and go after. But even political novices aren't fooled by this kind of sophistry.

Security also seems to just be a game to the current administration. Something that's fun to use politically (like pitting the Afghanistan conflict vs. the Iraq theater during the campaign), until one day they wake up and realize that Afghanistan may be a bigger mess than Iraq was. The administration is reckless when it goes to make speeches in radical regions of the globe and says in a gathering of Muslims that America is a Muslim country, and that Americans share the same values as Islam.

You see, Vice President Cheney, or Lord Vader, or whatever you refer to him as, might have had a pretty opinionated view of terrorists, and not necessarily the kindest. You know they did plan on flying an airliner into his office and all. The man was never confused, however, over whether or not subjugation of women, honor killings and female circumcision were "American values."

Furthermore, Vice President Cheney also strongly believes that the men and women that are asked to do the difficult things with terrorists to get the information that saves American lives should be given the legal protection they were granted by the Justice Department to carry out those tasks to begin with.

I know, I know, President Obama and General Holder think playing Arabic Yahtzee will yield the same results for the future, and maybe it will. There is no reason, however, to go open up new cases on the men and women who did their job, kept us safe, and have never so much as heard a "thank you" from an administration that owes its very possibility to their success.

In short, Vice President Cheney believes there are such things as heroes, and he is just an old fashioned enough guy to step up and say so.

President Obama, on the other hand, asks Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod, and Robert Gibbs if heroes exist, and goes with whatever two out of three say. (Which explains why he is often spotted wandering the halls of the West Wing mumbling to himself, "Save the cheerleader! Save the world!")

At the end of the day, serving "We The People" as President has turned out to be much harder than simply talking about being President.

And doing so while trying to change the very fabric of what America fundamentally is has not been quite as easy as simply repeating the words, "Hope and Change" while clicking one's ruby slippers together three times.

President Obama lives in a world that he desperately wishes existed. Vice President Cheney lives in the world that actually does.

And as much as he does not relish having to correct the current administration on policy, Americans are showing that they are grateful that he's taking the time to do so.

Well... 8% more of them over the last two months anyway.

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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OBAMA'S TALK TO CHILDREN
Did you watch that 17 minutes of brainwashing?
Telling those kids to stay in school, study hard, not disrepecting their teachers. The shame, the brainwashing. I am disgusted (with the outcrly against the kids getting to hear from OUR president).

CHENEY WOULDN'T GO FOR SHARIA LAW IN U.S
Another point to add: Isn't there a Czar who wants Sharia Law in some cases in U.S.? Cheney would NEVER go for that. Creeping Sharia Law threatens to overtake our legal system. The idea being, as I understand it, excusing illegal behaviors in our country cause the perps were used to their own Sharia laws back home! Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but doesn't this sound like creeping rot in our house? If you don't cut the rotten boards out of a house, the rot keeps creeping. NO SHARIA LAW IN THE U.S! And aren't they already creeping their way into England's laws?

Re: Real Obama Myth
"So Carlos, feel a little bit lonely since it seems like the rest of the goopers have given up that debunked Obama myth?"

The real Obama myth is that he is an American. No one could hate this like Alhaji Hussein Obama and his closest associated do, and still claim to be a true American. He and his pals would prefer the USA were like Chavis' Venezuela - no free press, dictator for life, supports anti-American lefist terrorists, and has a health care system that functions best when it is killing people.

Well said, Mr. McCullough
The people who want to see Bush and Cheney brought up on war crime charges are dupes. They haven't been paying close attention and go with the media flow. God help us if they become the majority. I feel I can no longer sit back and watch the ship listing. Let's take back the congress in 2010 with people who are clear about what matters. People like former Vice President Cheney. Love that man!

Pistol-FL
on't mean to *NibS#it* into ur query re the stock for a 95--I seem to remember somebody talkin about a Sporterized 30-40 Krag that needed a stock?? I have a Springfield 30-40 Model 1896 SN65102.. The stock on this opne has a metal Butt-plate with access to accessorys hole.. There ARE people around here (don't have names presently)who could make a walnut stock..At least this appears to be walnut.. The weapon is in good shape but some idiot cut the forearm way back long ago.
A Great Uncle (*Jack* MacCray) made dozens of Muzzle Loaders in tne early 1900s..I could check around avail of stock Manufacture.. Maybe Yes maybe no??

patty,

I guess you showed me. I mean, I didn’t realize you were so easy to peg. But then again, worthless liberals are all from the same malformed sperm.

Say, you wouldn’t want to wager how many worthless liberal democrats will be packing their bags in December 2010, would ya? Sixty, seventy, maybe eighty? And don’t forget those Senators, they’re the big guys you know. Ten, 15 or 20?

That’s ok, 14 months is a long way off before your Marxists get their hammer and cycles, so to speak, sent to the foundry for melting.

You do realize that out of the last 26 presidential elections your worthless liberals have only assumed the presidency eight (here, let me put that in number form for you, 8) times. And two of them were by way of death of a sitting president. You didn’t know that? Why that’s in everyone’s history books. Yip! I forgot, that was before all the queens and dykes and rag heads got their hands on our children’s minds and twisted them.

Sorry that your “edumacation” doesn’t inform you, or you’re not reminded that worthless liberals have won only 26% of the time in the last 165 years. Oh, and know that every time those worthless liberals, oops, today they like to be called Marxists, conservatives always come in after them to clean up their mess.

So, enjoy your acid trip while it lasts. Your Pharaoh will be relegated to the dung heap of history soon enough.

Be sure to write flowering answers to Obama’s questions tomorrow. He needs all the love from you he can get.


UncleBig is right
Playing the communist card doesn't work with the recently "educated."

Despite the gulags, tortures (you know, that thing they're against except when Castro does it), genocide, 10's of millions murdered, raped, tortured and imprisoned, they're taught that communism is just another political system, equal to if not morally superior to eeeeeeeeevil capitalism.

I love the statue of Lenin in Seattle. If you put a statue of Reagan there, the leftist moonbats would be apoplectic. But, a mass murderer? No problem. His heart was in the right place.


Patty
Liberals made their career out of calling conservatives fascists and Nazis all the while conveniently forgetting that it was socialism, and ignoring the NUMEROUS similarities between modern leftists and the National Socialists.

Now that Lyndon LaRouche loonies are running around photoshopping a Hitler 'stache onto pictures of the messiah, their typically hypocritical and deceitful selective moral outrage festers to the surface like a boil.

How do you clowns stand your own stench?

You're dismissed.

Patty
You are one SASSY lady.

Mr. St. Denis
Moral Bankruptcy Creates Economic Chaos
I agree completely with your comment. But you imply a link of Obama with communism. I think Obama is somewhat like teddy roosevelt "the trust buster" and FDR "the new deal". I thought mainstream people stopped using the communist card after Joe McCarthy. Playing the communist card also doesn't work well unless you are in the early baby boomer group.

Heroes DO Exist...
Haha..."Save the cheerleader, save the world." Good one Kevin! I don't care who you are, THAT was funny. :)

I like D.Cheney
Right now Jack,The Ripper would outpoll Obama. Maybe Jack's reputation is above his. At least he killed his victims outright and didn't want them to die a slow death due to lack of health care as he does old folks.

D. Cheney is a great man. He was a good VP. If GW had listened to him with the big spending by congress,Republicans would have not had the losses they did. I wish he would run for president,bad heart and all. Unlike Obama...he does have a heart.

Carlos
Carlos
Location: MI
Reply # 1
Date: Sep 7, 2009 - 8:12 PM EST Even Hugo Chavez is more American
than Barack Obama...

At least he was born in the same Hemisphere.

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There it is - I knew there was a straggling birther out there. So Carlos, feel a little bit lonely since it seems like the rest of the goopers have given up that debunked Obama myth?

Sorta sad to still be grasping, clawing at the birther crap, isn't it? It's okay, we know that you are sick. Hope is just around the corner if you have health insurance. Oh yeah, that's right, health insurance doesn't cover mental issues does it? You can always eat the left over food at McDonalds before you go to sleep under the bridge.

Even Hugo Chavez is more American
than Barack Obama...

At least he was born in the same Hemisphere.

Telescoping You
Telescoping You
Location: CA
Reply # 2
Date: Sep 7, 2009 - 5:20 PM EST Lookie-Here, A Worthless Liberal Speaks


patty is a cranium empty, diaper soiled, thumb sucking, worthless liberal soldierette who is depressed with black “white guilt,” admires lesbians, thinks queens are cute, lunatics should run the asylum and America is evil.

Anyone who admires her is the same.

Does this pretty much cover it, patty?

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Tele: Hit it right on the nail brother! I am a highly edumacated (not creationist mommie home-schooled) liberal who cares for those less fortunate, is proud of what our country did on November 4, 2008, absolutely cannot stand nasty goopers and their narrow-minded, limited world view, am elated that the lunatics are no longer running the asylum (i.e. BushCo is GONE, baby GONE), and believes that America can again soon be the greatest country in the world once the stench of goopers has been scalded off the country with Lysol and we have all been de-liced from the last 8 years.

Pretty much covers it Tele. I think you have some swastika scrawling chores waiting, need to practice screeching in the mirror, holster up that Glock (you know you want to caress it right now)........with baby oil.

Tell mommy to let you touch it.



Ponder This...

"...everything has to be disciplined. Even a dog has to be disciplined. A cat has to be disciplined ... You show me an undisciplined person, and I'll show you an insecure and unhappy person ... We now have a whole generation(s) of insecure, unhappy persons because they don't know what discipline is, and it's a direct result of the advice of Dr. Spock (and his modern-day followers."

"Once you know what needs to be done, there is no point waiting."

Dr. Alton Ochsner, who was an internationally-renown surgeon and researcher.

Lookie-Here, A Worthless Liberal Speaks


patty is a cranium empty, diaper soiled, thumb sucking, worthless liberal soldierette who is depressed with black “white guilt,” admires lesbians, thinks queens are cute, lunatics should run the asylum and America is evil.

Anyone who admires her is the same.

Does this pretty much cover it, patty?



Moral Bankruptcy Creates Economic Chaos
“From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” - Karl Marx

Under Communism, Russians used to joke that “They pretend to pay us; we pretend to work.” The joke illustrates that the “payment” provided by the Soviet government was a lie but so was the worker’s “work”. The Soviet Union became a nation of liars. The government lied; the people lied—and ultimately the entire Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of their lies.

“The point that one of the problems that both socialistic and capitalistic governments faced/face when trying to educate their population was/is that education (investment in people) was/is “capital intensive”, meaning that the investment (school buildings, books, teachers, etc.) must be paid before the benefit of the education (skilled labor, social services, etc.) can be reaped. The point is that socialists need CAPITAL in order to achieve their objectives.” Professor Bertrand, Tulane University.

Michael Moore decries “Capitalism”; yet, he benefits from it. Capitalism fills both his bank account and his stomach.

Government jobs and expenditures are not “Capitalism”.

Destroying private enterprise will, necessarily, lead to a depletion of the very funding to fuel the utopia that Socialists, Marxists, and Communists crave.

Without incentives, all workers will quit and any system will collapse.

Remember that before you assail and disparage Capitalism.

A false dichotomy.
Ron Location: WA
Reply # 3 Date: Sep 7, 2009 - 3:24 PM EST
"Go Cheney Go
How can you not love a man, that puts the security and well being of the country above politics and polls."

Brian: I would not love a man that puts his own recipe for security before the law or truthfulness.

"Mr. Cheney has always done and advocated the policies that will best protect American lives, and if that includes a head soaking, or occasionally cigar smoke in the face, then so be it."

Brian: I don't question his sincerity in doing these things. I question his wisdom in doing them and his apparent willingness to go beyond these things. What really concerns me is not what he considered appropriate but the fact that he is more than willing to excuse those who went outside and beyond the guidelines. When asked what he thought of such behavior he said flatly, "it wouldn't bother me."

"I prefer a man that would rather restraint and prosecute terrorists, rather than one who wants to restrain and prosecute those who protect us.....The American people understand this, elitists that hate America, don't. Read the horror of interrogation at.....http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/"

Brian: As if those are the only two alternatives. To think that we cannot conduct interrogations without resorting to the most barbaric of actions is absurd. There will be no prosecutions for waterboarding or blowing smoke. We are a nation of laws however, and when laws are violated we should prosecute. There are innocent victims of Cheney's policies. There are dangerous precedents to Cheney's policies.

Cheney
Cheney is a mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging fear and war mongering troglodite. Anyone who admires him is the same.

The demographics of this country are changing. Goopers are more and more regionalized - older, more wrinkled and less educated. The vast majority of college-educated folks vote Democratic, same for higher degrees, scientists, and various other 'smart' people.

The troglodites vote gooper.


Diamond Z
Please ask your three-year old to explain how to use the all-caps key.

Go Cheney Go
How can you not love a man, that puts the security and well being of the country above politics and polls. Mr. Cheney has always done and advocated the policies that will best protect American lives, and if that includes a head soaking, or occasionally cigar smoke in the face, then so be it. I prefer a man that would rather restraint and prosecute terrorists, rather than one who wants to restrain and prosecute those who protect us.....The American people understand this, elitists that hate America, don't. Read the horror of interrogation at.....http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

By the relative measure of a ...
Carter .................... Location: MA
Date: Sep 7, 2009 - 3:31 AM EST In a more normal...
and just world Cheney would be a war criminal along with Bush and those who support them would shunned by the rest of the world. ...

============================================

... typical NObama worshipping hyphenated-American left wing pinko.

Yo Carter, is that Carter-Akmed-Nadennydogpooh?? Tell us you camel molesting POS, which of your brothers, or was it your Daddy, did President Bush and Vice Pres. Cheney supposedly commit all these war crimes against?

CHENEY WAS A GOOD VICE PRESIDENT
THE LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA HATES ALL US CONSERVATIVES,WHAT A SHAME!

MORE AMERICAN THAN OBAMA?
WHO ISN'T"

The Wizard of OB
Your reference to Obama clicking the heels of his ruby slippers together three times cracked me up. I blew snot all over my monitor.

You neglected to mention the magic phrase, "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home."

I can just imagine Obama waking up in this horrible depression era farmhouse with all of the characters of his nightmare looking down at him, wondering if he had permanent brain damage.

I'm sure he would jump right out of bed and start clicking his heels together and repeating "send me back to my nightmare, etc.

USMC Lt
THank you for enlightening Hal on Mr. Cheney's seclusion after 9/11.
No thinking person believes the President, Vice President (or anyone in succession) has their own choice about those matters.
You can see some real ignorance here. Sometimes I have to rebut it. On the other hand, you also see some emlightened thought. I enjoy your posts, along with those of Retired Geek, OnceAlwaysAmarine and several others.

Rather simple
Cheney was never disloyal to his country, or what it does (or did) represent--whereas 0bama's "loyalty" to the US is only on par with that of Aldrich Hazen Ames. An accurate comparison between Ames and Oleg Gordievsky is that "Gordievsky wished for his country to become freer, and weaken the repression/oppression in it--so he offered to spy for a country with a free form government; Ames betrayed his own country--which already had a free form government--to its repressive/oppressive enemy out of his own greed"!

Ok ARMAGEDDON – 666,

What are the test scores of Frank, Mikulski, Pelosi and Reid? Or, where can we view them?

You don’t really have to supply Franks. For someone who is not sure about what planet his constituencies are from, no test score is going to help.

Forget Maxine “Dear Socialist” Waters, Stuart Smally (that’s Al “The Clown” Franken), Barbara “Fidel is a Genius” Lee or Charlie “You ‘All Are Racists” Rangel.

These worthless liberals are in a pre-school all of their own.


Telescoping You

You are asking whether I want the sour red pill or the bitter blue pill. As I have said, much to the chagrin of many, the Birther issue is a non-starter. Leave obamessiah in and, hopefully, the dhimmicrats will be ushered out and he checkbook will be revoked.

CHENEY
DID A GOOD JOB IN HELPING TO KEEP THE USA SAFE,THE LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA HATES ANYONE THAT IS A CONSERVATIVE,SO THEY BRAGG ON THE HARRY POTTER DUDE.

The libs can't stand it!!
They posture and pontificate.
They ignore and evade.
Deep down they know the tale of the socialist rainbow unicorns and fairies is over!
Hopey changey's approval going down the express elevator to marxist hell.
Darth Vader's approval going up.

One thing I've learned
in over half a century on this planet: those who accuse are guilty of it themselves, ninety-nine percent of the time.

So, if the trolls call me racist for disagreeing (vigorously) with the so-called president, then I know they are the racist. If the trolls call me or anyone else in opposition to the destruction of this country a liar, well, then I know who the liars really are. And, as my ten-year-old daughter can attest, I really don't like liars.

Trolls cannot seem to post long on any issue raised here without descending into name-calling. Even the paid-to-be-here trolls like "balanced."

I agree with Cheney a lot of the time, especially on the CIA, and it's a pleasure to listen to someone in the political arena who's direct and honest, unlike the current crop of unconstitutional czars trying to hide behind the increasingly transparent skirts of a would-be dictator.

You know, these trolls are a lot like the cheating spouse who comes home from the latest tryst to accuse his or her faithful partner of the very sin just committed.

Liberals should've studied human nature in general, and the American psyche in particular, before embarking on this great "mission" to "remake America" in Barack's image. They would've known it just won't fly. There's just a few reasons why Cheney's getting more popular and the purported president is tanking in the polls.

A less than truthful opinion
It's my line, so I'll say it again. Anyone who says "Americans this or that" is a liar. America is a divided country. The big urban population centers don't love Cheney. We think he's evil incarnate.

Any one who does not note that America is a divided country is a liar.

McCullough is a liar.

Deferment Dicck
After 6 deferments because he "had better things to do" than serve his country, Dicck is now the leading voice for the GOP.

I hope and pray that his possibly human heart holds out long enough for him to be (1) the GOP nominee in 2012, or (2) in jail.

Cheney
I for one am ashamed at this great mess that our country is in.. I am not a fan of Obama but, I pray for him. He is the leader: (and he scares me) I have great respect for Cheney. He always spoke mature,and he has served our country well.I don't want to bash anyone any more, it is getting so old. I just want the people to love their country and protect what is ours...

In a more normal...
and just world Cheney would be a war criminal along with Bush and those who support them would shunned by the rest of the world. But, welcome to the world where neo-conservatives and "birthers" live in and there everything goes including the indefensible and being ignorant about the rest of the world. An AG is supposed to look at violations that have been comitted and go against and the DOJ is supposed to be non-partisan department that supposed to go after people even in the highest echleons of power, and especially when it comes to violating so many international laws. I am sorry wait a minute, I forgot anything that says 'International Treaties or Laws' is supposed to be treasonous to you morally superior beings. UN is an organization that has people who are different and inferior, there fore how can you ever support it or how can it ever do anything right. Oh the moronic land that you sick Republicans live in.......

Chenney was great
If u want to know how good Chenney was just compare him to this idiot biden. Every time biden opens his mouth trash comes out.

Questionable Birther Stuff

Ok, I’m not a lawyer, but George Collins essentially wrote an “article” and nothing more. But even if what he says was the accepted interpretations of the law at that time isn’t it plausible that laws regarding citizenship may have been modified given the immigration surges we’ve had over the last 120 years?

In fact, "jus soli" or birthright citizenship has been around for quite some time. Every illegal alien who comes across the border and drops an infant in the local hospital is entitled to “US Citizenship.” The “natural” citizens of the state of California have been prodding congressmen for years to change the law. Of course, most of those congressmen are worthless liberals.

I think the Natural Born Citizen web site appears to be more hype than citations of law or even precedent.

Admittedly, I didn’t read the entire 40,000 word web page.


It is not nearly so complicated...
I must assume you have to claim it so just so you can have a bit more than a paragraph to write?

Di~ck Cheney by any and all measure is a real American. This simply cannot be disputed. He has offered a lifetime of service to this nation and shown himself to be a preserver of the status quo.

Barack NObamaElMessiah is a 50%-Amerifrican at best, whose only adult experiences in life has been:

Attended a black seperatist group posing as a "church" for the past twenty years.

Surrounded by elitist Ivy League communist.

Public nipple suckling organizations.

and,

Politicians.

I mean it's a wonder he's not sitting in jail, rather than in our White House. There simply can be nothing more than a small percentage-American in him.

Speaking of Jim Garrison....
Did anyone here know that in the immediate aftermath of the JFK shoot he raced to the cameras to claim that an assassin had poked up through a manhole and shot Kennedy with a .45 ACP pistol?

A real predecessor of Chuckie Schumer!! NEVER get between a man like that an a camera. Even beyond the ballistics discrepancy between a .45 handgun bullet and a 6.5mm RIFLE bullet the Detail WELDS all manholes along a motorcade route shut 24 hrs before the visit.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

Anne, Denise, et all,

Don’t mean to butt in, but, which would you prefer?

With Hussein ousted, Biden would be the “sympathy president” and the liberal Congress would exploit that engender sympathy and likely remain dominate until 2016. Don’t forget, worthless liberals are the consummate charlatans. Even dead thespians would be called back to duty.

Or, leave Hussein in place while constantly exposing the worthless liberals in Congress for what they are, thereby insuring Roman crucifixions in 2010. This would render Hussein completely impotent. Leaving worthless liberals to their own vices seems to be working.

Hint: Conservatives could be back in the House, Senate and White House in 2012.


marcmat_MI: You're absolutely right!

"Obama believes . . . in appeasement. Cheney--like most rational people--understands that a policy of appeasement will get you killed."

Lest anyone forget, the "cease fire" with N. Korea was probably the ONLY real military mistake Eishenhower made...

Here we are, almost 60 years after the cease fire, and we have No. Korea ready to do harm once again.


Anne
Here's what the 20th Amendment says in Section 3:

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

The election will be null and void according to this. It sure is nice that the Constitution is written in plain language.

Telescoping You

Tres bien! It was also one of the favorite phrases used by the colorful Jim Garrison.

BTW: I meant to write "brownie points", but since we are "brown shirts", perhaps, it was a Freudian slip!

St. Denis In Obama's Red Amerika Locatio
Sir John Harrington' (1561-1612)

"Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason!"

Who Knew What When About Megrahi?
British officials claim Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton were kept informed at all stages of discussions concerning Megrahi’s return.
The officials say the Americans spoke out because they were taken aback by the row over Megrahi’s release, not because they did not know it was about to happen.

‘The US was kept fully in touch about everything that was going on with regard to Britain’s discussions with Libya in recent years and about Megrahi,’ said the Whitehall aide.

‘We would never do anything about Lockerbie without discussing it with the US. It is disingenuous of them to act as though Megrahi’s return was out of the blue.

I’ve always assumed that they knew what was going on. How could they not? The objection to Megrahi’s release, as articulated by David Frum, is that they didn’t pound the table more, not that they weren’t kept informed. Even so, this is the same M.O. The One followed during the Iran uprising, isn’t it? He keeps his mouth shut until a critical mass of public outrage is reached, then he creeps behind the podium and offers tepid denunciations. Way to lead, champ.



Jones, The Tip Of The Iceberg - III
Mark Lloyd
Conservatives have accused Lloyd, appointed by the Federal Communications Commission as the agency’s Chief Diversity officer in late July, of secretly wanting to reinstate the controversial Fairness Doctrine — a regulation the FCC abolished in 1987 that required broadcasters to present contrasting views on important and controversial issues. Conservatives radio hosts have said Obama wants to reinstate it, and that it would push them off the air.

In right-wing media, where Lloyd has been christened Obama’s "diversity czar," pundits rail against the former vice president of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights and Massachusetts Institute of Technology law professor. Conservative radio host Michael Savage called Lloyd "communist vermin" and a "neo-Nazi" intent on "closing down conservatives in the media."

Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley has picked up the call. "Mr. Lloyd supports a backdoor method of furthering the goals of the Fairness Doctrine by other means," he wrote in an August letter to FCC chairman Julius Genachowski.

But in a 2007 report for the liberal Center for American Progress, where he was a senior fellow, Lloyd noted that conservative shows dominate the airways — but did not endorse the Fairness Doctrine.

"We call for ownership rules that we think will create greater local diversity of programming, news, and commentary," he wrote in a July article about the paper. "But we do not call for a return to the Fairness Doctrine."


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26809_Page2.html #ixzz0QNZpXsSx

Jones, The Tip Of The Iceberg - II
Cass Sunstein, regulatory czar

Prolific Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein spent years examining the obscure corners of regulatory law and behaviorial economics. Now, conservatives are combing through his writings to build a case against his nomination to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.

One of their main lines of attack is that Sunstein supported taking people’s organs "against their will."

U.S. law assumes citizens opt-out of organ donation unless they specifically select it on their driver’s license, living will, or other legal documentation. In his 2008 book "Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness," Sunstein argues that changing to policy of "presumed consent" — assuming everyone is a donor unless they "easily register" not to be — would "save many lives while also preserving freedom."

His support for animal rights has also inflamed some conservatives. Sunstein has spoken in favor of allowing people to sue on behalf of animals in animal cruelty cases. And in a 2007 speech at Harvard, he advocated restricting animal testing, banning hunting and encouraging the public to eat less meat.

Those ideas have inflamed the hunting, fishing and agricultural lobbies and caused at least two Republicans to hold up his nomination, which has yet to be confirmed.
In a late July letter to Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn, Sunstein repeated a point he made during his May confirmation hearing — that his writings were not a reflection of his personal views but merely intended to stir debate.

"If confirmed, I certainly would not use my position at OIRA to promote animal standing in civil litigation; such standing would indeed be an intolerable burden on farmers, ranchers and hunters," Sunstein wrote.


Jones, The Tip Of The Iceberg - I
John Holdren, science czar

Conservatives took shots at Holdren, formerly a professor at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government, earlier this year for a 1977 environmental science textbook he co-authored that surveyed policy options to curb overpopulation.

In a chapter on "population policies," the authors mentioned involuntary fertility control methods like mandatory abortions, mandating family size and adding sterilants to drinking water or staple foods.

The authors said that they were merely describing the measures, not endorsing them. But conservatives jumped on the textbook, saying that Holdren supported "forced abortions" and "mass sterilization."

In his February confirmation hearing, Holdren said that he no longer thinks it’s "productive" to "focus on the optimum population for the United States."

The Senate seemed to buy his testimony, confirming him as director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy in March.

Treason

"Treason never prospers, for it if prospers, none dare call it treason."


Brown points for the name of the person, who originated this riddle.

Guess Who Called Dr. Chetta?
Dr. Nicholas Chetta was the coroner of New Orleans in the 1960s Dr. Chetta was somewhat of a local celebrity here. Not only was he an elected politician whose name was frequently in the press, but he was the team physician for the Jesuit High School football team.

His son, Nicky, was a modest and unassuming individual. In March of 1969, his teacher asked the class if anyone had any thoughts on the Clay Shaw verdict. Nicky erupted, saying in a loud, tense voice that Jim Garrison had gotten a "raw deal". He went on for some time with bullet points as to why this was the case. It was his final statement that shocked the class and continues to reverberate...

David Ferrie had known Lee Harvey Oswald when he was a cadet at the Civil Air Patrol and seen him that (summer), Ferrie's role in the JFK assassination was as a get-away pilot. He reportedly spent the two weeks before the assassination at Mafia boss Carlos Marcello's hunting camp across the Mississippi River. He may have been flying people and supplies around to position them for the assassination.

Now all of this seemed pretty wild, but it got even wilder. Nicky said that the day that Ferrie's death was announced, Robert F. Kennedy called his house to discuss the cause of Ferrie's death with his father.

Nicky's father had seen Ferrie's apartment. Ferrie lived alone with women's clothing, priest's robes and a medical laboratory that included thousands of mice. He was inducing cancer in the mice.

Back in 1969, the public was taught that cancer was "a spontaneous disease," meaning it COULD NOT be created, transferred, caught or induced...

Truth is stranger than Oliver Stone.

Obama believes . . .
in appeasement. Cheney--like most rational people--understands that a policy of appeasement will get you killed.

It's as simple as that.

Van Jones.

Heck, Van Jones is more American than Obama.

Van Jones was educated in the United States.

Van Jones actually believes what he says.

Denise: Not necessarily, and therein

lies the BIG conundrum.

IF it was found he's ineligible, (and I'm not saying one way or another... no one knows!) that would (most probably)render the entire election null and void, and therefore Biden would NOT be the VP, any more than Obozo would be pres.

These are just some of the issues the attorneys and judges are discussing in private.

I, of course, just sit back and absorb anything and everything they discuss.

All I'm saying is, no one can debunk or prove anything, and the wise thing is to sit back and wait and see what, if anything, comes of it.

It WILL be interesting as it's not over by a long shot.


St. Denis In Obama's Red Amerika
The birther issue is far from debunked St Denis. I suggest you read the following from the American Law Review by George D Collins in the Sep/Oct 1884 issue. You can find a publication on the Ron Paul website by none other than Leo Donofrio of natural born citizen website fame.


http://www.dailypaul.com/node/104713

Anne

Even if (big IF) Obama was determined to be unqualified to serve as POTUS, then Biden would become President. Unfortunately, there are no Mulligans in presidential elections.

You know that I intensely dislike Obama and abhor the Federal government, but I doubt that a COLB or otherwise is going to change the situation.

We must focus our energy on that which we can change.

I Like Cheney
Right now Jack,The Ripper would outpoll Obama. Maybe Jack's reputation is above his. At least he killed his victims outright and didn't want them to die a slow death due to lack of health care as he does old folks.

D. Cheney is a great man. He was a good VP. If GW had listened to him with the big spending by congress,Republicans would have not had the losses they did. I wish he would run for president,bad heart and all. Unlike Obama...he does have a heart.

LIBERALS HAVE A MENTAL DISORDER
Cheney IS more american than Bama;
!: Cheney isn't putting communists in high level position (ie. Van Jones)

2: The torture the liberals like to talk about saved a lot of Americans from more terroristic attacks.
3: There's more but I know you libs are rolling your eyes - wake up liberals REAL AMERICANS see you for what you are

Yeah I really mean it
Yeah, I really mean it. God, that would be great. Goodbye lying fruity tooties!
Could someone please make a movie about it ? I know we had our GWB assassination movie, so I'm not asking for much more, just put all the libtards on their "fact finding tour" air force one planes and let the "global warming instant multiple hurricanes storm" take them all down to davey jones locker.
Then they can show real Americans celebrating while the libtards off themselves in vast numbers, screaming half muslim cries of fealty to their o-allah.
There's the world that I desperately wish existed.
The movie would also have to reverse the 5,000 baby murders per day the libtards have demanded since roe v wade. Let's face it, 8 planes of libtards dead saves about 2,000 the babies the very first day, then 5,000 per.
It can't happen soon enough.

I do wish Richard Cheney was POTUS
I'll take President Richard Cheney any day.
Whenever I caught any interview he gave, I HE TOLD THE TRUTH, PERIOD.
Now, a flappy eared lying communist gasbag of CRAP - who actually thinks he can stand up there and tell us that taking over every hospital, doctor, nurse, and ambulance and clinic in the entire nation will cost absolutely NOTHING spews his BS, this after sending untold tens or hundreds of billions of "COSTS NOTHING" tax dollars to the UAW to "save the crumbling auto infrastructure".
I cannot even begin to express the total, complete, and utter DISGUST I have experienced when the flappy eared foreign muslim boy opens his lying piehole and spews HIS GIGANTIC SMELLY LIES NATIONWIDE.
----
If Obama nad his whole libtard crew die in a "terrible plane crash" I WILL SMILE AND CHEER FOR AMERICA.
Hopefully a hurricane from " Evil USA global warming" swallows 8 AF one libtard doused planes whole and buries them forever in the Atlantic.
We have to get down way past the kookball bug eyed granny of liberal lies Pelosi in the potus succession before we find one that isn't a total fruitlooped communist indoctrinated lying left wing moonbat, so good luck to the weather.

Cynde: As I just posted to Denise...

"Don't be too quick to think you "debunked" the birther issue....

"There are many attorneys and judges who aren't so sure!

"In fact, my attorney husband and I have had that very discussion with a few (Fed) judges at a dinner party not too long ago..."


There is so much going on about this issue, that the INTELLIGENT PERSON would simply say, "Until something is PROVEN one way or another, WE JUST DON"T KNOW."


Obama in free fall
http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/27/obamas-poll-numbers-d rop-them-like-its-hot/

Obama’s approval poll numbers
Jan 20, 09 - 78%
Jan 27, 09 - 62%

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl824

Jul 20, 09 - 48%

http://varight.com/?p=1734

Aug 31, 09 - 46%




Obama is NOT doing anything wrong. It is those silly voters that don’t understand that Obama is doing them a favor. Again, Obama is doing NOTHING wrong (especially if you are against Obama's socialistic tendencies). There is absolutely nothing wrong with his numbers. Remember, congress under Pelosi and Reid were at approval rating of 9% prior to the great one's election. Soon he will enjoy that experience himself.

Move along. There is nothing wrong here.

Pancho:Why do you and the other liberals

ask that insufferably stupid question "Why do you hate America?" all the time??

It just makes all of you look like FOOLS!



St. Denis In Obama's Red Amerika
In response to your question, the Birther nonsense is just that. It isn't that I trust the government, it's that I don't trust the ability of a large group of people to keep a secret. These huge conspiracies that depend upon a large group of folks keeping their mouths shut for prolonged periods about enormous issues is simply against human nature.

If there were anything to the birther nonsense, it would have been uncovered by the McCain Campaign and the Clinton Campaign both of which looked long and hard at the issue. There just isn't anything to the argument. I am a Republican small business owner and what I object to is having a President who demonizes businesses when he's never run anything and doesn't know the first thing about what it's like to make payroll, pay expenses, figure out profit margins, examine competitors and try to come up with a better mouse trap.

The only thing Obama clearly understands is how to read off of a teleprompter and craft a moving speech. Unfortunately, neither of those "gifts" is going to fix this economy.

Denise: Don't be too quick to think you

"debunked" the birther issue....

There are many attorneys and judges who aren't so sure!

In fact, my attorney husband and I have had that very discussion with a few (Fed) judges at a dinner party not too long ago...


Sober and to the point ...
President Obama lives in a world that he desperately wishes existed. Vice President Cheney lives in the world that actually does.

Perfecto!

Cheney was the best VP in modern times (and I go back aways).

First time in a long time that I've seen/heard a pro business comment ... we need more. Capitalism is the pro business way. Here's a thought: wise people don't argue with success. Reagan knew that in spades.

What does Obama want
from terrorists?

Why is he kissing up to them?

Where is it written?
>The US President has Marxist and Islamic interests and sympathies. He is therefore unfit to be the President.<

This must be a personal opinion, since there is no legal basis for the statement. Karl Marx wasn't even born when the Constitution was written, and the Constitution expressly forbids a religious test for public office. Why do you hate America?

Cheny, a voice of reason
Why are leftist libtards so fixed on defending TERRORISTS?! The CIA interrogations (which had a medical professional present just in case!) were necessary to save lives of innocent people. Those terrorists that are living lives of luxury in their "prisons" deserve capital punishment at the least, those terrorists that think nothing of slowly sawing off the head of an American or anyone who doesn't agree with them! Right now we have bigger fish to fry, like the economy, war on terror; not penalizing those who help protect our country!

Obama is "torture" not waterboarding.
Just ask the cripples that the other Hussain liked to manufacture just for the streets of Bhagdad, to instill fear in the populace. Van Johnson is a perfect characature for Obama and his whole administration(?), and clearly shows who are the racists and a***holes. Clearly, Cheney who's policies saved many American lives. I fault Cheney for not protecting our vote from the criminals of acorn, when he could've.


Cynde

I am neither a Birther or a Truther. Long ago, I debunked the Birther issue using a legal analysis. Don't get me wrong. I have distrusted the government since I was a child waiting in Carter's gas lines. By the time that I was a teenager in the late 1980s, I detested the Feds.

I don't belong to a party. I am a Constitutionalist.

I was against going into Iraq. I never would have sent ground troops into Afghanistan opting instead to level Tora Bora.

If I may ask you a question, why do you trust the government with anything?

Restrict Mooslim Immigration Now Or Else
Islam is a political ideology as well as a religion. It is hostile to the Western tradition.

More moooslim immigrants = more Sharia Law and tribal primitiveness.

Look at European nations. They are being "replaced" by moooslim immigrants.

Don't let it happen here. Mexico has the same idea in mind - send their peasants by the millions and retain loyalty to Mexico City.

Too much immigration will kill a country.

VAN JONES - THE REST OF THE STORY
Valerie Jarrett's, aide to the President, comments highlighted by Glenn Beck last week may be important in understanding the process by which Jones actually got his job. Jarrett is well-connected in Chicago circles.

Blogger Trevor Loudon, reports that Valerie Jarrett’s late father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, was an associate of Communist Party USA member Frank Marshall Davis and that they worked together in Chicago. Davis, the subject of a 600-page FBI file, is the mysterious “Frank” from Obama’s book, Dreams from My Father, and served as a mentor to a young Barack Obama in Hawaii.
Rep. Barbara Lee, one of the most extreme members of Congress and an apologist for Fidel Castro, played a key role in the Jones appointment. Lee, cast the lone vote in the House against U.S. military action to remove the Taliban regime in Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks, is a close friend of both Jones and President Obama.
But behind Lee and Jones is an influential network of communists known as the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS). Lee was a secret member of the group, a spin-off of the Communist Party USA, while Jones was the keynote speaker at a 2006 CCDS fundraiser.
In her book, Rep. Barbara Lee declares her support for Communist Cuba, saying, “On many occasions I have taken people to Cuba to educate them about the realities of Cuban society so that they can make judgments for themselves. Lee freely admits involvement in the “progressive” Black Panther Party, a group that regularly denounced police officers as “pigs,” and names one of the other members of the group as Angela Davis, “the noted African American member of the Communist Party.” Lee quotes a Panther official as denying that the Panther program was based on the Communist Manifesto but admits that she was called “Comrade Barbara.”

We spent years fighting Communism and now we have them moving into our government. Thank goodnes, Americans are waking up and standing up.

The President is a Black Marxist Nut
The President is a Marxist
The US President has Marxist and Islamic interests and sympathies. He is therefore unfit to be the President. Who hired Van Jones? Hussein Obama and his radical, hate filled wife, Michelle. That's who.

He must be forced to resign. He is unfit.

A race based, poverty pimping lawyer, who is an economic illiterate, driving our nation off the edge economically. There will be no economic recovery without economic growth. He is against growth - he is for windmills.

He is a man with contempt for our country. He never worked a job in HIS LIFE. He's a professional speechmaker; that's all.

Time to remove him from office - peacefully and politically. He is unfit.

Birthers are worse than Californians
LouLouise since you're a "Birther" I can't take anything you say seriously. People like you make the right look ill.

PRESIDENT CHENEY, PLEASE HELP!
Dear Richard Cheney,

Your grace under the pressure of a perverted media and your clear articulation of the problems inherent in PROSECUTING OUR OWN DEFENDERS OF FREEDOM make it easy for the left to dismiss you.

WE WILL MAKE IS HARDER FOR THE LEFT TO DISMISS YOU--RUN FOR THE OFFICE THAT IS BEING DENIGRATED BY THIS INGRATE--A MAN RAISED UP ON LARGESSE WHO NOW WISHES TO BITE THE HAND THAT FED HIM.

ROWDY BOOTS

The "Undocumented One" losing his mojo
In spite of the MSM's maternal instincts to protect their little boy Obama, at some point the Grand Deception must collapse under its own weight. We are just seeing the first hints of that collapse. The reality of Obama's incompetence and dishonesty are breaking through to the public, and his guardians in the media can throw up all the smoke and mirrors in the world and still not halt Obama's slide into disrepute and irrelevancy. (The same could be said for the MSM, too, as polls show).

The flip side to this, which I will call Gnu's Principal of Realistic Dualism, is Cheney's rise in public approval. You don't have to be a highly trained CIA analyst to understand the importance of getting terrorists to talk about their pending attacks if you want to keep the country safe. Even the left-wing trolls on this site get this self-evident truth, which explains their inability to offer any rational or empirical argument supporting Obama's absurd crippling of our human intelligence assets.

Vice-President Cheney was there for us in a critical and dangerous time. Even if it's not yet fashionable to acknowledge his crucial role in keeping us safe, everybody gets it.

Oops! I wrote
"David" when I meant "Kevin". Another senior moment. Sorry! Me bad.

David wrote:
"I know, I know, President Obama and General Holder think playing Arabic Yahtzee will yield the same results for the future, and maybe it will." Will this yield any results when the captured terrorists are read their Miranda rights?
I hardly think so.

An Ole Korean War Vet

To Eric Blair
No thanks are needed, Sir. It is my HONOR and Duty to serve my country.

Semper Fi

Ignorance
Balanced in AZ

I would have flagged your post as offensive, but in the end it is just plain stupid and hackneyed. The only thing you left out is "Bush Lied and People Died", which was never true from the beginning.

Cheney knows how to get the job done. He ran a multinational organization and had a key role in keeping your liberal but safe for eight years.

Your Messiah, on the other hand, is absolutely Un-American, and in his quest to "fundamentally transform" this country, has trashed the Constitution, the economy, and the citizen'z trust in government(what little was left)all in less than eight months.

Your juvenile and naive tirade against Cheney is all too emblematic of the rhetoric, hyperbole and hot air blowing from the Left with precious little in the way of fact to back it up. Balanced, indeed.

USMC Lt
Thank you for your service to our country!

The President is a Black Marixst Nutjob
Hussein Obama, Michelle, Valerie Jarrett, Van Jones, Eric Holdrer, etc. are racist, black nationalists with Marxist leanings.

They all need to go.

Hussein Obama is unfit to be the US President.

The liberal mantra
For the past 8 years the liberal mantra was that Bush was dumb and Cheney was evil. Both the President and his VP, out of respect for the office they held, and because they were dignified patriots, did not get into arguments to stop the abuse. ALL the MSM, without exception called Bush and Cheney, liars, fascists, Hitler etc. but never got the satisfaction they craved to hear them whining, like Obama does about ONE single network that does not toe his line, Fox News. Never have I heard President Bush say that the mistrust created between the FBI and CIA perpetrated by the Clinton administration (which btw has been started-up again) was what brought about 9/11. VP Cheney did not go and put his foot in his mouth and make a laughing stock out of the administration as VP Biden does. He was always a dignified statesman, unlike the present administration bozos.
Torture is very subjective. If one is afraid of dogs or water, the site of one or dunking in the other is “torture”, but for those who have no such fears, is fun. Hazing for fraternities is considered by most college kids, as fun, and often times is more challenging than mere dunking, dog barking or wearing underwear on their heads. If you want information form one so callous that is able to cut your head off with a dull knife without flinching, or blow up innocent civilians with hijacked planes, you use their deepest innermost fears to get to them. That interrogation is aptly called “enhanced interrogation method”. It had results, and no person in their right mind should say, maybe we could’ve gotten that information with “more humane” methods. All this administration can do is second-guessing something they have no proof of. Clearly when Mr. Cheney spoke at the same time Obama spoke on the subject, Mr. Cheney spoke facts, while Obama was theorizing. Ergo the poll numbers in reverse ratio. Americans are not as stupid as liberals would like to believe.

Incompetence 101 - II
Economics - Remember when Obama told the nation that a $787 billion stimulus package would keep unemployment from getting above 8%? Remember when Obama told the nation that his administration had shaved $2 trillion off of the projected ten-year deficit? Remember when Obama promised that he would speed up stimulus spending this summer? None of those came to pass, which is why Obama hopes you’ve forgotten all of that.

Politics - One might have thought Obama would have learned from the debacle of the stimulus package that he needed to lead, rather than follow Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Instead, he passed the buck on health-care reform and wound up losing control of the health-care debate. Indeed, Obama made it worse by cheering on Pelosi and Reid, demanding that Congress bend to their wills and vote on an overhaul of 1/6th of the American economy with just a handful of days for debate. This week, seven months after his inauguration, Obama’s press flacks announced with great fanfare that Obama would finally draft a proposal himself — as if he were President, or something!

Who could have warned us that a man who served seven years in the state legislature and three years in the Senate would not have been prepared for the toughest executive position in the Free World? We did. Repeatedly. So did John McCain, and for that matter, so did Hillary Clinton.


Incompetence 101 - I
Now, the school speech was poorly thought out, both in concept and execution. The same can be said of Obama’s recurring unsuccessful attempts over the summer to “reframe the health care reform debate,” and the multiple mis-steps in responding to his Town Hall critics, beginning with the spectacularly inept branding of them as an “angry mob.”…

The lesson here is that the political ear that warns of potential mis-steps in a campaign is not the same one that works once you are elected and have to make the thousand decisions that come with daily governance of a central government that long ago become far too big and expansive to be effectively managed. This is why administration officials approach projects like the school speech without anticipating the explosion of negative public reaction.

So expect in coming months a growing theme in the media questioning the competence of those around the president. For liberals in Congress and the media, such a theme will provide a handy way of diverting blame from Obama’s shoulders for the succession of blunders, misteps and embarrassments that is surely coming.

How has this theme surfaced? It would be impossible to count them all, but we can get them into broad themes:

Personnel - Barack Obama’s appointments have been a continuing source of embarrassment. His Treasury Secretary blamed Turbo-Tax for his tax evasion, but several more appointments also had tax problems. Obama nominated Bill Richardson to Commerce knowing full well of the pay-for-play probe in New Mexico that forced Richardson to withdraw his name a few weeks later. Van Jones, the Green Jobs Czar, is just the latest example of fumbled vetting that has plagued this White House since the transition.

I know I'm wasting my time here Pt. 2
WE HAD LEADERSHIP BECAUSE NEITHER Bush or Cheney were out of contact, for ANY great length of time, with officials on the ground who could tell them what was going on, or with each other. But since Bush is the NUMBER 1 guy in charge, HE still did what he had to to run the situation from wherever he was, no matter where that was. As it turns out, he was at Olfutt SAC/AF Base in Omaha.

The fact still remains that since no one knew the total scope of the attacks, or even if they were over yet, for most of that day, there was no justifiable reason for making either Bush or Cheney an open target by bringing them out of hiding since they were both capable of leading the country from where they were, and in fact were both still leading the country.


Then Hal makes this idiotic comment;
"Rudy stood with the people and led,"

To which I answer; HAL, you moron, WHAT WAS RUDY'S TITLE ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001. Was it President or Vice President of the United States? NO, it wasn't.

Rudy was THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY!!!

Tell me Hal, exactly what great political points would the terrorists gain by killing the Mayor of New York City?
Could killing Rudy cause the Federal Government to become even partially disabled, or shut it down? NO, HAL YOU IDIOT. IT WOULDN'T.

And just as an additional FYI, ALL of the top leadership in the country, THE WHOLE of the line of succession to the Presidency, NOT JUST CHENEY, was removed from Washington D.C., after the attacks started.

THAT IS STANDARD Secret Service Policy, and it is NEVER veried from.

I know I'm wasting my time here
But I'm going to try the impossible, making liberals understand reality, one more time on this topic.

Hal DUMBAAS said in Post #75;
"The president was already running and hiding there was no need for Cheney to do so but of course he did."

To which I say: The president was in Florida when the attack occurred. Once he knew the seriousness of the situation he left there in Air Force One. A HUGE target because it's easily identifiable unless it's miles up in the air.
We didn't know how well organized the attacks were, or where all of the attackers were. One or more of them could have been in Florida watching AF 1 and waiting for a chance to kill Bush. This means that until Bush and AF 1 were in the air HE WAS VULNERABLE.

When the attacks started VP Cheney was in Washington. AGAIN, no one knew how many, or where all of the attackers were, or what their plan was.
THIS makes VP Cheney vulnerable to be killed.

Are you following me so far dumbaass? BOTH of our top leaders were vulnerable and we had no idea who or where all of the attackers were.

The SECRET SERVICE's NUMBER 1 Job in an attack on our country is to keep both of our top leaders alive.

THEREFORE, they moved quickly, as is their job, to get BOTH Bush and Cheney to secure, UNKNOWN locations.

HAL - et al
Hal challenged my question, ""...This country will not endure being pushed to the far left. I can guarantee that..."

Hal's challenged, "Really? Do tell me how?"

My response to Hal, "Easy one big boy, your messianic voices are growing weaker by the day.
Your buddy, Van Jones is gone now. One less to spout the left wing Communist agenda."

Besides, my posts was a conversation directed to Brian - CA, who knows how to have a conversation without using insults. He thinks and writes above your mentality. Please don't interrupt my conversation again. I will address you directly if I feel you have any intelligent input.

I find it odd that the Democratic Party
doesn't especially like democracy in action, such as with the "tea parties" and the town hall meetings. Since they like to consider themselves more "democratic" than Republicans, one would think that they would be delighted to see the people of this nation actually participating in decision-making as they would if this were a Democracy.

Instead, they want to treat this nation as the Republic that it is. "We were elected to make the decisions; we're going to make them!" Who'd have thought that the Republicans would be more democratic than the Democrats, and that the Democrats would be less so.

I have to wonder
Did Barack Obama have a clue as to what being the President of the United States actually meant? More and more, my personal belief is that he was talked into "this gig" by cunning political operative types, who saw both his race and his presentation skills as something they could "market."

Unfortunately, Obama's own ego is something that Axelrod, Emanuel et al can't control and now that the "1" is the prez, his ad-libs, gaffes and verbal hop scotch have knocked the bloom from the Rose. Barack Obama is product of a sinister plan hatched by the Pelosis, Reids, Emanuels etc. using a novice as the cover for their master plan of socialism for this nation.

The good news, the cabal behind the man did not count on the man so smooth on the outside being so politically clumsy when off his leash. The end result is a Democrat Party fully exposed for its complete hypocrisy and condescension it truly holds for those they claim to champion.

Go Barry Go.

Sorry, typo. Should have been.. "Just so

typical of anyone 'who's' inferior , and intellectually challenged."


Big Red doof says, "I know most of you

folk seldom get your hands dirty and have nothing but disdain for those who do..."

Well, THAT just goes to show, once again, that Big Red doof knows "SQUAT!

Which, no doubt, is why he relies on his lies and made-up garbage, and has to resort to being so condescending and name calling.

Just so typical of anyone whose inferior, and intellectually challenged.


One thing about Big Red Commie doof's

views... They're consistently twisted, distorted, convoluted, sick, corrupt, tortured, and perverted.


Which, of course, means that Big Red Commie doof is obviously twisted, distorted, convoluted, sick, corrupt, tortured, and perverted.



Folks

I know most of you folk seldom get your hands dirty and have nothing but disdain for those who do but enjoy Labor Day all the same LOL

Reba
"Date: Sep 6, 2009 - 12:55 PM EST
Brian
I hope you are right when you said, "What you will see however is something very similar to what happened under Clinton. The government will come roaring back to the center."..."

We are at the center now this is what you reactionaries cannot understand.

"... he Tea Parties and townhall attendance is not just about the healthcare bill, it is the results of a true concern where the government is taking this country. I was with a group of 55 citizens, ages 40-75,..."

Proves my point thank you I wager few worked for a living and such a small group represents only themselves. Noisy yes; effective not at all

"... We have to realize that most of our present senior citizens were active in some way to fight communism and lived through the cold war..."

OK what did they do in that Cold War for America? Shop and cut taxes?

"...This country will not endure being pushed to the far left. I can guarantee that..."

Really? Do tell me how?

Cheny vs Obama
At least I can honestly say for Vice President Cheny that he is a patriotic American. I'm beginning to wonder, however, if Obama is not in fact, anti-American.

ARMAGEDDON
What you are suggesting is un-democratic (small "d," of course). No one's past lack of accomplishment should ever be publicized. All that really matters is
1) how well does he read a teleprompter, and
2) does he promise "hope" and/or "change" and/or "a chicken in every pot?

AMAZING that the MSM can't keep O "up"--
or Cheney "down," despite their best efforts.

I don't know--or care, at this point--whether Obama is an American citizen. If there's any chance we could force him out and get Biden as our new president, well, it wasn't worth the trouble!

But I DO find it curious that we've never been treated to his impressive college or law school grade transcripts. Why have we not heard the details of his "leadership" of the Harvard Law Review? Why has his experience leading the Chicago Annenberg Challenge NOT been rolled out for all to see, as surely it only proves his superior intelligence, his work ethic and what wonderful things he and William Ayers were able to accomplish, for a mere few hundred million Annenberg Foundation dollars, for Chicago schools. Why isn't the press educating us on the wonderful things Obama accomplished through his training of ACORN "leadership"? Why not just a few words of all he accomplished when he worked in a gen-u-ine law firm? And why not ALL of the above BEFORE the presidential election?

The press was able to quickly deploy to Alaska, rooting through trash cans and seeking out those with a grudge against Sarah Palin. Why no such fervor in educating us about Obama's great past??

Not because the MSM WANTED Obama to prevail, surely, but WHY?

And last, why has the MSM worked hard, along with the rabid left, to demonize any Republican who seems likely to rally conservatives? Or maybe even Americans? Or incite patriotism or love of country, among the masses. Think Palin, Cheney, Newt. People who (too) obviously love America.

Brian
I hope you are right when you said, "What you will see however is something very similar to what happened under Clinton. The government will come roaring back to the center."

The people of this country will not willingly tolerate a leftist government. The Tea Parties and townhall attendance is not just about the healthcare bill, it is the results of a true concern where the government is taking this country. I was with a group of 55 citizens, ages 40-75, yesterday and each gave their reasons for participating in protests. Some actually expressed a fear of what the government is doing, all were against bigger government in their lives, no matter what party was in power.
We have to realize that most of our present senior citizens were active in some way to fight communism and lived through the cold war. When they learned this president has employed two Czars who are admitted communist and we have three elected congressmen/women who are pro-communist it is a serious concern and a real threat to them and anyone else who understands Marxist Communism.

This country will not endure being pushed to the far left. I can guarantee that. Three senior women at the meeting yesterday said, "I don't care about myself anymore, I care about how my children and grandchilren will live in this country". Hell hath no fury like a woman scorn by her government.

Obama's problem.
Back when I started my working career, the old-timers often referred to a competent young up and comer as some one who "knew what he was about". This is Obama's problem: he doesn't know what he's about. He's got a five star education, but never followed it up with experience in a real workplace - academia and politics do not count as real jobs. He can't related to the average American because he has never lived as one.

Cynde In CA:
You have an odd way of looking at things. You appear to be the type who runs scared and is defensive and reactive.

In addition to sounding like a schoolmarm.
Your advice to BETwyan is worthless, with all due respect, and makes you seem like an idiot instead of the wise person of good character you think you are.

No offense, but I don't take advice from anyone who still lives in CA.

Well, Of Course
Cheney is more American than Obama.
Obama is not an American, don't forget. He still is unable to produce a valid birth certificate.

Obama is an illegal alien which is one reason he doesn't understand America. He doesn't understand the Judeo-Christian underpinings of our country because he is a Muslim. Obama is a psycopathic cult leader who actually believes his mythology. He will do whatever it takes to destroy this country.

Cheney
Hopefully, he will read this.

Thank you, Mr. Former Vice President, for keeping my family and me safe for 8 years, while keeping my tax rates down. I voted Republican in 2006, and so am not responsible for the Democratic take over of Congress that led to the financial fiasco.

I know you did your best and literally worked your heart out. Thank you again for your great services to our country, and specifically, for being a "Righteous One Among the Nations."

BETWyan You Should Tone it Down
BETWyan you do more to hurt the Republicans and Conservatives than anyone else. Obama is many things; irresponsible, reckless, negligent, rash, untested, etc. But, he's not a Muslim and he's not a Communist or a Marxist.

He may seem like one the way he panders to them but he's not. Calling names the way you do only gives the left something to quote and point at to show Independents how far the right is going to discredit "The One."

Obama is discrediting himself every day with every leftist foolish decision he makes. Make an argument to support your position. Calling names only makes you look like a child that doesn't have a point to make. Leave that for the Liberals. They're far better at it, having much more practice.

To Reba
"More Americans are conservative than are far left. Obama will have a disasterous administration if he does not take a centrist position on issues.

You lefties can throw all of the ugly slurs you want to at conservatives who want to preserve the union of this nation. We are wise to your game plan and tactics. It won't work any longer."

Brian: There are plenty of center right and center left people who do not throw the ugly slurs at you for disagreeing with us. You just won't find them posting here (and I would guess that you would understand why). Most of us don't go willingly where we are not wanted. I am a strange case I guess. I enjoy a challenge.

We had the same issue come up when Bill Clinton was elected. The congress is actually to the left of Obama (especially the leadership). Obama is more to the right then you now recognize. He is essentially having to balance his left with what should be done and what can be done. It's more difficult than you think. What you will see however is something very similar to what happened under Clinton. The government will come roaring back to the center.

"BALANCED"--A White House Shill?

The more I read of the poster "balanced," the more I'm thinking he is on the White House payroll. I mean that literally. I'm not kidding.

Virtually all of his comments seem geared towards winning over independent voters, the voters Obama is currently desperately trying to get back.

Notice that he is assertive and sometimes a little aggressive, but never to the extent that he would alienate his audience--independents. He/she also seems to have a LOT of time on his hands; even stays up real late to swoop in and post his comments in the number-one position immediately after townhall's nightly updates. It's all a little curious.

I'm kind of new to townhall.com, so I can't be sure about this, but I think it's worth thinking about. I really can't imagine that THIS White House has no minions assigned to this website to try to win back independents because independents are undoubtedly flocking to conservative websites such as this. In fact, that's inconceivable to me. In my opinion, "balanced" fits the profile of a White House shill.

Anyway, I'll leave it up to the rest of you to decide whether or not you think that is likely or not.


He's not doing anything wrong.
Birdman II
Location: IL
Reply # 1
Date: Sep 6, 2009 - 11:53 AM EST
Brian
And, still, Cheney polls higher than Obama. Why? What is Obama doing wrong?

Brian: He's not doing anything wrong. You on the other hand don't really seem to have a firm grasp on the topic you are arguing.

OBAMA IS THE THE MESSIAH

to all of the Alinsky left wing radical groups in this country. Most Americans wanted Obama to succeed and be a good president. Even those who did not vote for him were willing to give him a chance.

In a short time Obama has revealed he is far left, unlike how he campaigned. His appointments of these radical Czars shows how he thinks and how he wants to govern this country. Radical extremist's agenda is for power. They never give a second thought to consequences. This answers our questions why this administration is trying to bankrupt this country, disrupt conservative talk radio, push unread legislation down American's throats and appease the lefties with energy a bill that will cut jobs and increase costs to all Americans.

More Americans are conservative than are far left. Obama will have a disasterous administration if he does not take a centrist position on issues.

You lefties can throw all of the ugly slurs you want to at conservatives who want to preserve the union of this nation. We are wise to your game plan and tactics. It won't work any longer.

Brian
And, still, Cheney polls higher than Obama. Why? What is Obama doing wrong?

ROFL! "Heir Apparent to Bush"
If blithering, buffoon, Joe Biden and Her Smugness, Nancy Pelosi, as heirs apparent to Obama gives you comfort, please don't vote! I regard the current President as a menace, but fervently pray every single day for his safety and good health, clearly understanding that the "B-Team" would be an even greater disaster!

Am convinced the American people have been "shocked" into Alert Mode, and the outrage will translate into a stunning defeat for the reigning Statists, Czars, crooks, and incompetents. Will take decades to undo the damage wroght by this Administration, as well as the big government Republicans in the last.

May Obama complete his one term in good health, and return to his mansion in Chicago to live out a long, prosperous, and happy life. May we never, ever, experience a Biden/Pelosi administration... a most sincere prayer!

To Ed,
A couple of problems with what you have said:

Cheney was not on the ballot. McCain and Palin were.
Conservatives didn't want to vote for McCain. Republicans did not want to vote for Palin. Your side didn't like your own candidates.
There is no question that Cheney is smart. People rejected him (including McCain and Bush) because he is dangerous.

Also, your belief in Cheney's truthfulness can be easily proven as unwarranted. He has been making statements that are easily proven as false for over eight years. You overlook his false statements because you agree with his ideology. Take the time to review his statements again for their factual accuracy. He is a liar.

Heres what we do know.

Bush/Cheney put the nation in 500 Billion in debt paying for xray machines for Airports, Xray machines for Cargo Ships and trucks, bio-hazzard sensors for major cities, radiation detectors, securing nuclear power plants, bridges, tunnels, ports, first responder training and equipment.

Obama/Biden put the nation in 1.2 Trillion in debt paying for tatoo removal, bridges for salemanders, bridges for turtles, welcome centers for illegals, tennis courts, dog parks, abortions, Endowment for the arts, bridges to nowhere, and wealth redistribution.

Hal, define torture any way you
want to if it makes you feel good.
"Protect and defend the Constitution" is the oath, remember?
I don't care what is done to our enemies who are out to destroy this land.

I remember the photos of my innocent fellow citizens having to jump to their deaths from the heights of the WTC rather than be incinerated.

My son missed a ten O'clock meeting in tower one, an hour later....do the math.

Nothing is too extreme if it prevents another such attack on our people, NOTHING!

You liberals make me want to puke, there is no moral equivalancy between us and these animals, they are like rabid dogs and as such cannot be reasoned with on any level and like rabid dogs, they must be put down, anything less is appeasement and we all know where that leads.

To Birdman II
Please chronicle the terrorist attacks on American soil before 9/11. Then you will have some sort of baseline for comparison. You must either do this or show evidence for the number of terrorists attacks that were thwarted. To date, most of the evidence is far from convincing. The number of thwarted attacks did not increase under Cheney/Bush. They have stayed constant independent of all of Cheney's questionable policies.

Also, I don't believe anyone besides you is claiming that Cheney is polling higher than Obama (excluding your own house perhaps). The claim is that his polls are improving from 29 to 37. Obama's polling was very high (in the 60's and has dropped to somewhere in between 52 and 55 percent).

Reality vs. Dreams
Those who elected Obama did so because he was cool and hip and all his talk about hope and change sounded good. The Newer Generation always thinks they know better. But all Obama has is hope because what he wants to change is our entire way of life. And even many of those who supported him aren't comfortable with that.
His irresponsible spending, his meddling in the finance and auto industries, his "I know better than the constituents what is good for them" attitude, his cronyism.

Cheney represents the parent that we all admit was smarter and cooler than we originally gave them credit for. He has nothing to gain by offering his advice. Cheney reminds us of how dangerous the world really is, brings us all back to reality with the facts that while hope for a better future is a wonderful thing, changing our values, our way of life and all we believe in isn't necessary.

Regardless of how you feel about Cheney, he is far more trustworthy than Obama & Company has proven to be since he took office. No matter who Obama's opponent was and however much experience and knowledge they had, Hope and Change was the order of the day. Now everyone is realizing that Experience is an effective tool which we all wish we had right now.

Brian
And, still, Cheney polls higher than Obama. Why? What is Obama doing wrong?

: ) "Darth Chaney"
Maybe what rankles the left about Mr. Chaney, is he doesn't mince words. He says what he has to say with crystal clarity, and most Americans, whether they agree or not, have no question as to where he stands.

Sorry, I have no sympathy, whatever, for enemy combatants. The left has more "compassion" for the Delta Smelt than American citizens. A whopping THREE terrorist ba$tard$ were waterboarded. 3,000 American citizens died in 9/11. These parasites planned to murder more! Our soldiers, in uniform and serving the United States could scarcely expect Geneva Convention treatment if captured.... more likely, they would suffer the fate of Nick Berg!

At the time of the enhansed interrogations, seemed the Bush administration went too far in trying to get obtain firm legal opinion before moving forward. The hew and cry is nauseating! Americans have spent millions upgrading the detention facilities at Gitmo, providing culturally currect cuisine, and handing Korans to terrorists wearing white gloves, so as not to contaminate the "holy book"..... same white gloves worn when the flag is handed to the mother, widow, or family of fallen soldiers?

If soldiers must Mirandize enemy captives on the battle field, and give them rights, properly reserved for citizens of these United States.... if instead of vigorously interrogating them, they must be treated as esteemed guests.... I'm on board for taking no prisoners at all. Either we're at war, or we're not. We owe a firm decision to our soldiers.

There was never any doubt where Chaney stood.... and still stands. Pleney of questions still abound when it comes to Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, and the Democrat party, who seek to discredit the Bush Administration, prosecute those serving our country, and gut the CIA. Smacks of cowardice and/or subversion.

To Birdman II
Please chronicle the terrorist attacks on American soil before 9/11. Then you will have some sort of baseline for comparison. You must either do this or show evidence for the number of terrorists attacks that were thwarted. To date, most of the evidence is far from convincing. The number of thwarted attacks did not increase under Cheney/Bush. They have stayed constant independent of all of Cheney's questionable policies.

Also, I don't believe anyone besides you is claiming that Cheney is polling higher than Obama (excluding your own house perhaps). The claim is that his polls are improving from 29 to 37. Obama's polling was very high (in the 60's and has dropped to somewhere in between 52 and 55 percent).

The Pope wrote a letter about 'Hope'...

Barack should read it. It perfectly explains why Barack cannot give 'Hope' to anyone, nor can anyone receive 'Hope' from Barack Obama.

For all this 'Hope' that the (dwindling) masses have for Barack Obama, well, it isn't 'Hope' at all.

Just the same old Sugar-Daddy Magic wrapped in a new package.




"For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man sees, why does he yet hope for?"
Romans 8:24

MIke
"Cheney is a jerk. Most Americans thought Cheney was a jerk who made his friends rich by fighting the war in Iraq. He was so unpopular that the White House shut him down. Afghanistan is a disaster today because we diverted resources from there to fight in Iraq. Please understand, I think Obama is destroying America but how quickly we forget about the Bush-Cheney years."


And, still, Cheney polls higher than Obama. Why? What is Obama doing wrong?

Cheney is a...
jerk. Most Americans thought Cheney was a jerk who made his friends rich by fighting the war in Iraq. He was so unpopular that the White House shut him down. Afghanistan is a disaster today because we diverted resources from there to fight in Iraq. Please understand, I think Obama is destroying America but how quickly we forget about the Bush-Cheney years.

Obama a Role Model?

Liberals say the associations and nefarious friends of Barack Obama mean nothing and is just a smear campaign.

I don't know if you have children or grandchildren.

You would NOT be concerned if your daughter or granddaughter hung around with drug dealers?

You would NOT be concerned if your daughter or granddaughter hung around with someone convicted of prostitution or pornography involving under age girls?

You would NOT be concerned if your son or grandson hung around with members of NAMBLA?

You would NOT be concerned if your son or grandson hung around with members of a dangerous cult accused of murdering innocent people?

I know these are just analogies, but if someone told you about dangerous people the ones you love are 'hanging' with - would you just ignore it because it was a 'smear campaign' against dangerous people - or would you be concerned for your loved ones?

The preponderance of evidence of Obama and radicals and Marxists associations and friends are overwhelming.

Only those blinded by ideology can ignore it.

Under what metric has Cheney kept us
safe?

Bush and Co. experienced one attack on American soil on 09/11. That was the last attack on American soil since. The reason was that we took the fight to them on their soil and they were busy fighting there ever since. I understand my reasoning carries NO weight with you but you must admit there has been no further attacks here. I really do not care if the rest of the world thinks poorly of the US for fighting against Islam. Better to fight and die than to roll over and play dead for them.

Now back to the real issue at hand. Why does Cheney poll higher than Obama? Cheney is the 'criminal'. Cheney is the 'liar'. Cheney 'hates' America. Cheney represents 'big business'. Cheney is a 'capitalist'. Cheney is all these BAD things yet -- he polls higher than Obama; and Obama is fast sinking further. Why?

Who is Alexi Giannoulias?

Who is Alexi Giannoulias, the friend and 'Banking Buddy' of Barack Obama?

Alexi Giannoulias is the Illinois State Treasurer, whose family's business, Chicago-based Broadway Bank, has ties to organized crime. In 2006, Obama give Giannoulias an early and avid endorsement that helped him become Illinois State Treasurer at the age of 30.

Alexi Giannoulias was a supporter of Obama in 2004. Barack Obama repaid the support to his campaign by having his Senate campaign use the Broadway Bank.

Tony Rezko, long time friend of Barack Obama and convicted felon, had ties to the Broadway Bank, having written nine bad checks totalling $450,000 to Las Vegas casinos for gambling debts on his account there.

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"Alexi Giannoulias, who became Illinois state treasurer last year (2006) after Obama vouched for him, has pledged to raise $100,000 for the senator's Oval Office bid.

Before he promised to raise funds for Obama, Giannoulias bankrolled Michael "Jaws" Giorango, a Chicagoan twice convicted of bookmaking and promoting prostitution.

Giannoulias is so tainted by reputed mob links that several top Illinois Dems, including the state's speaker of the House and party chairman, refused to endorse him even after he won the Democratic nomination with Obama's help."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007/news/nationalnews/obam as_mob_tie_idekick.htm
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Just another Barack Obama 'alliance and associate'.

Read about 11 other 'Radicals and Communists' allied with Barack Obama.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Who is Michael Klonsky?

"I chose my friends carefully" Barack Obama

Did Barack Obama chose the choose the bloggers on his Campaign Website carefully?

Michael Klonsky (born 1943) is an American educator and political activist, a leader of the New Communist Movement.

Michael Klonsky, whose disgust for mainstream politics led him to launch a new, Maoist Communist Party in the 1970s, today supports Barack Obama so enthusiastically that until recently he was blogging on the Illinois senator’s Official campaign website.

“My own support for Obama is not a reflection of a radically changed attitude toward the Democratic Party, rather, it’s a recognition that the Obama campaign has become a rallying point for young activists and offers hope for rebuilding the civil rights and antiwar coalitions that have potential to become a real critical force in society.” Michael Klonsky.

Michael Klonsky is the former leader of SDS - Students for a Democratic Society.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Tim Wheeler chosen by Obama

Tim Wheeler is a National Board member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and has been a key figure in the party's Baltimore chapter since the early 1970s. From 1991 to 2003 he was editor of the CPUSA newspaper People's Weekly World, and he currently serves as the publication's national political correspondent.

In 2008 Wheeler became a prominent figure in Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.

He helped organize local canvassing and visibility events for the candidate, and he chronicled his experiences on the campaign trail in a blog that appeared on the Obama campaign website.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Obama's Personal National Security Force

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Barack Obama Speech July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs CO
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Barack Obama said: 'civilian national security force'.

Civilian - Would NOT include military or other Law Enforcement agencies.
National - Would NOT recognize State Boundaries.
Security - Security for what?
Force - This word usually denotes power and authority.

Why does Barack Obama want a Civilian Security Force?
1) Just as powerful as the Military.
2) Just as strong as the Military.
3) Just as well funded as the Military.

What will Barack Obama have this 'Civilian National Security Force' do?

Help in hurricanes or other disasters? - we already have the state National guard.

Some have said 'The National Guard is in Iraq and Afghanistan' but Barack Obama plans to have them home less than halfway through the Obama administration.


If you think that 'Joe the Plumber' is unduly investigated now wait until the 'Big O' force is in place.

We will begin to hear about people like 'Joe the Plumber' disappearing.



http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

If Consistency were a Virtue

Barack Obama would be the most virtuous man ever elected President of the United States.

Barack Obama has 'Consistently' shown bad judgment in his choices of friends, alliances and associates.

Rod Blagojevich - whom Obama campaigned for and endorsed - is just one of the many 'Nefarious' characters which Barack Obama has aligned himself.

Tony Rezko - convicted felon - and Obama had several buisness dealings.

Obama started his political career in the home of Bill Ayers - unrepentant terrorist.

Ali Abunimah head of a radical Palestanian group received contributions from Obama.

Barack Obama chose his Mentor and spiritual adviser, Jeremiah 'God Damn America' Wright.

The list seems endless - read about more of them on my blog.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Barack Obama has consistently 'Chosen his friends Carefully' according to him.

What consistency - What judgment - Barack Obama has shown!

Under what metric has Cheney kept us. .
safe for 8 years?

Using the same logic, Clinton kept us safe (there was not a single domestic attack on the U.S. after 2003). Cheney simply changed the location of the fight. By any rational assessment more Americans died from terrorism under his watch than under any other. Despite protestations none of the supposed thwarted attacks were imminent. There is simply not any reason to give credit to Cheney for this.

"As to damaging the US, he and the rest of those 'criminals' kept the US safe for 8 years. I know you reject my humble opinion but to me THAT carries more weight than yours. Some people in the world really do seek to do bad things to the US"

Brian: Nonsense.

PS. Did the 'criminals' at Abu Gharib keep us safe for 8 years?

Question about Obama's Alliances?

Barack Obama's friends, Mentors, religious advisers and alliances, look like the 'Who's Who of Radicals, Terrorists, Hate Mongers and Racists' in America.

The question is:

Are fundamentally flawed and corrupt people attracted to Barack Obama?

OR

Is Barack Obama attracted to fundamentally flawed and corrupt people?

OR

Is it just a mutual admiration society?

But Hal
The real issue here is why Cheney polls higher than Obama. Remember,as much as you hate Bush and Cheney, more people seem to hate Obama now. How can this be?

Bush is not president anymore. Obama is the one signing the bills into law. Why are the people losing the hope that Obama ran on?

Quest of Fools - Defending Barack Obama

How does someone defend a person with NO character?

Obama Character
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1) The summation of all of Obama's decisions and actions (judgment).
Chose a 'Black Separatist Church' to raise his kids in.

2) Obama's personally held values.
Brother and Aunt living in poverty and Obama ignores them.

3) Obama's view on sanctity of life.
Thinks 'Partial Birth Abortion is a right for women.

4) Obama's defense of the helpless.
Worked hard to deny any aid to babies dying in excruciating pain.

5) Obama's associations, allies and friends.
ACORN, Terrorists, Communists, Socialists.

6) Obama's honesty and personal integrity.
Lies about anything for political expediency.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have no other recourse than to attack the messenger of the truth about him or change the subject.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have no other recourse than to point to other peoples bad behaviour in hopes of mitigating the horrendous lack of empathy that Barack Obama has for defenseless little Babies.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have no other recourse than to try and point to others 'Radical' alliances and friendships in hopes of changing the subject.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have found there is absolutely NO way to defend Barack Obama so they use any ruse they can to get off subject or change the topic.

Attempting to defend Barack Obama is a 'fools' quest at the very best.



http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/30/babies_crying_i n_terror.thtml

The President is a Marxist - He Must Go
First, I don't like any president speaking to children because presidents are 1) POLITICIANS, who are laywer-wh*res. 2) Reagan and Bush 41 did not cultivate a "cult of personality" the way this Marxist-Moooslim in the White House has, 24/7/365 and enough naive fools fell for it. The United States never has had a conflation of the nation and one man (president). That's sick, that's totalitariansim. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Fidel, Chavez did that; we do not. No one man is above the country and the people. The president is merely a citizen-chief executive for four years, then we vote on whether or not to keep him (her) in their job. Obama is a sick, totalitarian. But his power is fading fast. Lame duck.

Hussein Obama, his wife Michelle, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van the Man Jones, Valerie Jarrett, etc. are radical, black nationalist liberation theology and Marxist-leaning radicals.

But the great thing is, the vast majority of the American people have finally woken up: Hussein Obama won't get his Obamacare, nor cap and tax, nor immigration/amnesty (no illegal amigo left behind) proposals.

He's already a lame duck, one term president.

Hypocrisy is a Sub-set of Trust

The word Hypocrisy is nothing more than a Sub-set of the word 'Trust'.

Trust, when applied to Humans, is the confidence or assurance that one can believe the Character, Values, Integrity or Words of another Human, will produce results that are desirous and beneficial to those who 'Trust' that individual.

I have never granted my 'Trust' easily to any individual, unless they have proven over a long period of 'Time' their Trustworthiness, both in Private and Public life.

Trusting an Individual initially, is based on their record, their associations, their alliances, their 'Dogged' commitment, to do the right thing for all and NOT self serving or for the 'Expediency' of their personal agenda.

Continued Trust, is based on their 'Personal Compass', that guides them back to the original 'Course', even when they stray or become lost.

Initially, Barack Obama has 'Proven' over a long period of time that he CANNOT be 'Trusted' by the aforementioned guidelines and continues to 'Prove', almost daily, that he cannot be 'Trusted' now or in the future.

Why focus on Barack Obama and him being 'Untrustworthy'?

Why NOT talk about Bill Clinton or George Bush?

Well Duh!

Barack Obama 'Is a Clear and PRESENT DANGER' for the foreseeable future, the others are Historical, to be studied at our leisure.

Hal and Murtha ...

Remember when:

May 18th 2006 John Murtha Tells Chris Matthews on Hardball that US Troops have "killed in cold blood.."
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Yes, Hal and his Buddy Murtha used to think of American Body-Bags as Political Christmas Presents.

What do they say today? As Obama fire-bombs Pakistani villagers and sets fuel tankers ablaze in Afghanistan.


Well Hal? Are our troops "Killing in Cold Blood"?

Is Obama a War-Monger?


Birdman II
"Date: Sep 6, 2009 - 10:42 AM EST
Hal Donahue
"Bitter? You bet I am this person seriously damaged the reputation and national security of the US"

I never said you were bitter. But if the shoe fits..."

When it comes to Cheney yes I am.

"...As to damaging the US, he and the rest of those 'criminals' kept the US safe for 8 years..."

Who is US? Certainly not the nearly 4,000 dead and 30,000 wounded military. These clowns managed to kill more Americans than Al Q and Bin Laden while alienating allies and damaging the military.

"... I know you reject my humble opinion but to me THAT carries more weight than yours. Some people in the world really do seek to do bad things to the US.."

No kidding I have met some of those nasty folks BUT in my somewhat experienced opinion the failed Bush regime did more damage to the US than any enemy could have

"The Bush era will go down as one of the darker moments in our history."

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USMC

I looked back and you're right, you were talking about the Cheney hiding stuff. I would agree, our heads of state do need to be kept safe during attacks, but, Cheney went into hiding for months after the attacks were over. On October of that year , he took off to one of the Cold War era nuclear hardened bunkers, hundreds of feat below the ground. As many of his friends said, 9/11 really unglued Cheney.

Thank you Brother Geek!

You are Correct!

A common theme of yours :-)

Obama plays Messiah. And I suppose this forced classroom discussion is just one way a Messiah would bring those who do not believe to justice.

A method for Liberal Teachers, if you will, to 'sort' the believers and non-believers; to embrace those without free-thought and to admonish or "Re-educate" those showing intelligence.

This sorting looks like a good first step in "Brown-Shirt" recruitment drive.


Liberal-Democrat = Control-Freak


Hal Donahue
"Bitter? You bet I am this person seriously damaged the reputation and national security of the US"

I never said you were bitter. But if the shoe fits...

As to damaging the US, he and the rest of those 'criminals' kept the US safe for 8 years. I know you reject my humble opinion but to me THAT carries more weight than yours. Some people in the world really do seek to do bad things to the US


"The Bush era will go down as one of the darker moments in our history."

Your opinion and $3 will get you a coffe & donut. Boy, I sure do miss the Bush administration already. And it's only been 8 months now. But then again, I am not a communist sympathizer.

Arguing with Democrats
Arguing with Democrats is so predictable. After calling the opposition stupid and racists they really don't have much to say.

I remember a friend telling me that her biggest concern with Obama winning the White House was that anyone who challenged his policies would be called a racist. I was totally opposed to Obama but couldn't see that in our future. Obama seemed to shy away from leaning on that racial crutch. Now I see that friend as quite omniscient. Not only are the looneys here throwing it around like it actually means something, our elected representatives and the media are doing the same.

People who uses race like that should be ashamed of themselves. CALLING SOMEONE A RACIST RATHER THAN MAKING AN ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT OF YOUR POSITION IS AN INSULT TO THOSE IN THE PAST WHO ACTUALLY WERE RACIALLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

Why do you think that Americans in pole after pole respond so harshly to those making racial arguments? This racists country of ours elected a black president folks. And since there aren't enough black people to do that alone, some white people must have voted too! Guess what else? Those of us who didn't vote for Obama did so because we are Republicans and he is the most liberal Democrat in the House!

The biggest lie ever told.
Useful Idiots
Location: PA
Reply # 7
Date: Sep 6, 2009 - 10:13 AM EST
Heres what we do know.

Cheney never did anything to hurt me or my family.

Joe Biden has.

Brian: Your statement shows a complete inability to think things through.

USMC Lt.
"Date: Sep 6, 2009 - 9:52 AM EST...what the losers claiming that Cheney "went into some hole underground for quite some time" have to say when the Secret Service AGAIN WHISKS THE VICE PRESIDENT away "into some hole underground," TO PROTECT HIM FROM THE CHANCE THAT THE UNKNOWN ATTACKERS COME AFTER HIM!!..."

The president was already running and hiding there was no need for Cheney to do so but of course he did. By the way, the SS works for the VP and can be overruled. Ruddy stood with the people and led both the failed Bush and Cheney ran and hid. These are the facts.

"... IF the country is attacked again during their term in office, OBAMA AND BIDEN WILL BOTH BE TAKEN TO A SAFE, UNKNOWN(to anyone but their security details) LOCATION SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T DECAPITATED BY KILLING ONE OR BOTH OF THEM..."

The mere fact of hiding means there is no leadership. Leaders lead If you are an LT I would think you would know this. The beauty of our government is it is almost impossible to decapitate our government there is always a replacement

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW??

posters
Trying to get the leftist posters here to face facts is harder than teaching a blind dog to fetch.

NO matter what Obama says

NO matter what Obama says in his speech to our children, who wants a 'Racist' and 'Serial Liar' speaking to their child?

Simple Understanding of Marxism 4
Continued from part 3 and final

Barack Obama’s Marxist Socialism I have termed ‘ObamUnism’.

Barack Obama's Eclecticism.

Barack Obama's beliefs and understandings of everything, seems to be based on 'Eclecticism'.

Barack Obama's knowledge is ‘Superficial’; he selects what appears to be best to him in various systems of governance, doctrines, methods, or styles, in everything from 'Economics' to 'Religion'.

This becomes evidence to any thinking person, that Barack Obama has NO core standards, principles, values or belief system.

Barack Obama’s Malignant Narcissism is in a constant war with what he attempts to accomplish and any thought of a ‘Higher Authority’ or factual evidence that he may be wrong at times.

Criticism or just plain questions about him or his policies become a deeply disturbing ‘Personal Attack’, rather than something he should analyze and if proven correct change his thinking and actions.

‘Change’ as one of the buzzwords he used while campaigning, seems to be a reflection of his personal inner struggle combined with wanting everyone else to accept his way.

‘Hope’ seems also to reflect his own personal struggle of trying to find a place of relevance in his dysfunctional family and a meaning for his own life.

Meanwhile the rest of us are left with a leader, whose goal in life is finding his own personal identity and bent on proving to himself that he can bring order to dysfunction.

To Barack Obama, everything is about Barack Obama and anything else is about Barack Obama.

Simple Understanding of Marxism 3
Continued from part 2

Is Barack Obama a classic Communist? I would say no.

Is Barack Obama a Marxist Socialist? I would say yes, albeit a strange variety that seems grounded in his ‘Eclectic’ approach to everything he does (addressed later).

This is a complex question because Barack Obama seems to have NO solid core belief system - philosophical, religious, political or otherwise, to analyze.

Barack Obama is definitely a ‘Collectivist’ based on Marxist thinking.

Lenin used the slogan 'The Ends Justify the Means' - in other words whatever it takes up to and including death to those who will NOT subscribe.

Collectivists naturally hold a negative dynamic towards God and tradition, because society holds the source of each citizen’s duty to 'Sacrifice for the Common Good' and ‘moral relativism’ determines the moral values, rather than God.

Continued in part 4

Simple Understanding of Marxism 2
Continued from part 1

The complex expression ‘Dialectic’ can be understood by a simple analogy.

Legend has it, that a man was fishing on a lake and had a bucket of fish. As he walked to another part of the lake he came upon a group of females who were ‘Skinny Dipping’ in the lake, upon seeing the man the females dipped all but their heads into the lake to hide their nakedness.

The man said, ‘You might as well come out and get dressed, I am not leaving until you do.’ (This became the ‘Thesis’).

The females responded, ‘We will not come out until you leave.’ (This became the ‘Anti-Thesis’). This appeared to be an unsolvable problem.

The man then said, ‘Well I come here everyday to feed the Alligators, I will just feed them and leave’ and began pulling fish out of the bucket and tossing them in the lake.
(This became the argument shattering both ‘Thesis and Anti-thesis’ and became the Synthesis)

The females immediately came out of the lake and began dressing – a seemingly intractable problem solved by the ‘Dialectic’.

The females became willing to expose their nakedness in exchange for 'Seeming Safety' and the man's desire for ‘Control’ and viewing of the females - both accomplished.

Continued in part 3

That's good Taft
Now how about responding to what I posted in and about this thread, instead of something that someone else posted from another thread.

Heres what we do know.

Cheney never did anything to hurt me or my family.

Joe Biden has.

Simple understanding of Marxism 1

In simple terms, Marxism is not a form of Government but rather a method of thinking and understanding the material world, and societies interactions from a view of materialism and aimed at the entire history of mankind and its societies.

One must not understand all of the intricacies of design, printing, ink and paper composition and so forth to be able to detect counterfeit money.

The key word is ‘Detect’ rather than a full and complete understanding of how real money and its counterfeit are made.

Familiarizing oneself to real money, by handling and touching real money in every form from freshly printed to that which has almost reached its ‘Currency Life’ will allow one to detect counterfeit money by feel and touch.

This simple analogy is the best way to detect Marxism and its fallacious approach to the material world, society and its interactions.

One can spend endless hours reading the many volumes by Karl Marx, Frederick Engels , Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky and so on, sorting out the differences, vagaries etc. or just simply become a ‘Marxist Detector’.

‘Dialectic Materialism’ is the key to understanding Marxist ‘Collectivism’.

The Dialectic approach to problem solving (formalization generally attributed to Plato) involves a Thesis and Anti-thesis and by eliminating the extremes of both or introducing an argument that shatters both, theoretically results in an acceptable explanation and ‘Common Ground’ (or Synthesis). The word ‘Common’ becomes a key word for ‘Detecting’ Marxism.

Karl Marx attempted to reduce all Human strife, wars, inequities, poverty, factions and lack of peace and so on to Capitalism (Thesis) and Marxism (Anti-thesis) and the resulting (Synthesis) became Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and modern day American Liberalism and many other ‘flavors’.

Continued in part 2

Does anyone really believe that . . .
Cheney is honest? I think a fact checking mission is in order here. I have not heard one speech or one interview in which he, or his daughter Liz, have shown any compulsion towards truth telling. The lies, even over simple verifiable facts, are breathtaking.

There are several reasons why Cheney's poll numbers have gone up while Obama's have gone down. Obama's were in the stratosphere in a deeply divided nation. Cheney's polls were nearly the worst of any politician. You can't really fall off the floor, and no one would expect Obama's to go up higher while addressing healthcare, climate change, and having near 10% unemployment. But, the biggest reason is simply fear. The Republican party has made a name for itself by stoking fear. And, the guys that feel the least obligation towards truth telling often win the battles of fear. Yes, the Democrats exploited the fear in order to get the stimulus passed in the early days of the administration, but now it is coming back to haunt them. If they had stuck to the original game plan (Courage over fear) they could have exposed and thwarted this Cheney nonsense. Times are tough to be certain but that hardly means we should be blown off course by all of the objectively false claims that Cheney presents as fact.