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Tuesday, March 17, 2009
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
Five Ways that Insanity Has Become the New Normal in America
by John Hawkins
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"In ordinary times, people who do no more than describe the world around them are seen as pragmatists, while those who imagine fabulous alternative futures are viewed as radicals. The last couple of decades haven’t been ordinary, however. ...(T)he pragmatists were the ones simply looking out the window and noticing that the real world was increasingly resembling the unthinkable scenario. These people were treated as if they were barking mad. Meanwhile the people spinning...visions unsupported by reality, were regarded not as charlatans but saviors." -- Clay Shirky in an explanation of the downfall of the newspaper business that also describes what's happening in America

Since Barack Obama has been elected, gun sales and copies of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged have flown off the shelves. Meanwhile, there's a Russian academic all over the news predicting that America will soon collapse, "tea parties" springing up all over the country, and the stock market has been doing a great impression of Michael Richards' career since he left Seinfeld.

Is that because people have gone crazy? No, it's the reaction of sane people to the crazy as a football bat insanity that has begun to pass for conventional wisdom in large swathes of America. Living in this country today is like sitting in the back seat of a car that's hurtling towards the edge of a cliff at a hundred miles an hour while the driver fiddles with the radio and the guy in the passenger seat mocks the very idea of using brakes.

When sheer insanity becomes the new normal, people who can admit that the emperor has no clothes are left to point out:

The Global Warming Fraud: There are few things stranger than watching a "debate" over global warming. One side constantly quotes scientific facts, makes logical arguments, and tries to appeal to reason. These people are called "anti-science" by the side that "argues" by comparing their opponents to Holocaust deniers, spins apocalyptic doomsday scenarios out of whole cloth, and is constantly dinged for stretching the truth on the few scientific facts they do talk about. These people are the ones who supposedly "put science first" in the debate.

Meanwhile, the earth has been getting warmer and colder since it was formed, the planet has been considerably warmer in the past than it is today, and the earth is currently cooling, not warming. Yet and still, our President intends to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a Cap and Trade scheme that will spike energy costs into the stratosphere so that we can solve this non-existent "problem."

The Lawsuit Lottery: In our legal system, you can injure yourself doing something utterly stupid, sue someone who just happened to be in the vicinity while you acted like a lunatic, and if you get lucky, you can walk away with millions of dollars while he's driven out of business. It's like playing the lottery, except your odds of winning are much better.

The evidence of how warped our legal system has become is all around us. It's difficult to find an obstetrician in some parts of the country because they've been sued out of existence. In California, it's legal to sue good Samaritans who try to help people who've been injured. Many people and corporations actually settle lawsuits that they know they would eventually win because it's cheaper and less of a hassle than defending themselves in court because our system, in most cases, provides no compensation whatsoever for being the target of a meritless lawsuit.

This illness in our justice system goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, where we have four justices who believe in actually sticking to the Constitution and four who vote for whichever result best serves liberalism. That means whether a law is ruled unconstitutional or not may often depend on little more than whether Anthony Kennedy got enough sleep or is a little cranky because his lunch was delivered late. Justice is supposed to be blind, but we've gone one step further in America and made it random.

Demonizing Success and Rewarding Failure: In America, we have a government that rewards people for failure. If you lose your job, we will incentivize you not to get back to work with unemployment insurance. If you stay out of work long enough, then we'll give you welfare and more money via a "tax credit." If you don't pay your mortgage, then we'll help you out with that, too. Is your corporation going out of business? Then we'll bail you out. Long story short, if you're failing in life, then we will give you goodies to reward you for it.

On the other hand, successful people are suspect, just by virtue of their success and therefore, they must be punished. At a time when taxes are already so high that corporations are fleeing overseas and even the Treasury Secretary is a tax cheat, the President is planning massive tax hikes on both successful individuals and corporations. After all, how are we going to reward all of life's losers if we don't take the money from people who have succeeded? In order to justify killing the Goose who laid the Golden Egg, successful people are regularly vilified as greedy nuisances to society who should be thrilled to have the money they worked for confiscated by people who hate them so it can be handed to people far less industrious than themselves.

But, what you subsidize, you get more of and what you penalize, you decrease. That's one of the oldest and simplest lessons in the book; yet it's one we never seem to learn.

Spending Money Like We're Never Going To Have To Pay It Back: Here's Peter Schweizer describing how the Soviet Union was broken by Reagan,

First of all, the Soviet Union has been in economic crisis, there was an economic crisis from the very beginning in 1917, but they'd always been able to figure out a way, working internationally, to bail out their system. They got western businesses that would set up industries, they got western banks to loan them money, they were able to get peace agreements with the West that would provide temporary relief to their economy. So the Soviet economy was always in crisis but they'd always been bailed out by the West. Reagan's administration is really the only one that never did that.

So, the Soviet Union relied on its enemies to keep it financially afloat and when they refused to do it any longer, it was the beginning of the end. Well, replace the "Soviet Union" with the "United States" and "The West" with "China" and ask yourself: doesn't it seem more than a little familiar?

What happens if China decides one day that they'd like to see us go the way of the Soviet Union and does to us what we did to the Reds? Do we end up with skyrocketing inflation that makes a dollar today worth ten cents tomorrow? Do we end up passing on such large debts onto our children that we will guarantee that they can never have the opportunity to grow up in the sort of great country that we did? The people spending our money? The frightening thing is not that they're coming up with different answers; it's that they're not even asking the questions.

Our Topsy-Turvy Approach To Illegal Immigration: Although we have laws on the books designed to prevent illegal immigration, they are systematically ignored or the people in charge of enforcing them are deliberately understaffed so they can't fulfill their duties. Bizarrely, people who merely suggest that the laws on our books should actually be enforced are derided as racists and nativists. Worse yet, to suggest that tens of millions of uneducated foreigners, many of whom don't speak the language or obey our laws, should not be able to benefit from breaking our laws by staying here permanently is treated as beyond the pale. Why, how dare we "break up the families" of people who have been shamelessly breaking our laws for so long that they've had time to start a family here?

Despite the fact that we've already had a "one time only amnesty" and drug violence is now regularly spilling over our borders, advocates of amnesty are unfazed. In fact, under Barack Obama we've actually gotten to the point where we're prosecuting people like Sheriff Joe Arpaio for enforcing our immigration laws even as we create 300,000 jobs for illegal immigrants with the stimulus plan.

If you don't have borders, you don't have a country -- and if we believe we can turn tens of millions of poor, uneducated, non-English speaking people with no love for our nation or respect for our laws, into productive, well assimilated, loyal Americans merely by granting them citizenship -- then we're engaging in exactly the sort of magical thinking that has helped undermine and destroy more than a few nations -- including most notably, the Roman Empire.

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Crazy Immigration experience
We went through the immigration process adopting our youngest from S. Korea in 2005-2006.

When my husband and I went to the immigration office in downtown PHX to have our fingerprints put into their computer, we found out what a danger this country is in.

Since I changed my name when I married, it was necessary to put both my maiden name and my married name with my fingerprints. I was explaining to the employee how my name change worked. For example:

Maiden name: Jane Mary Doe
Married name: Jane Doe Smith

The male Mexican employee handling my case just couldn't grasp the complexities of it, which is weird because it common among Hispanic women to use a former maiden last name as a married middle name.

He managed to get the maiden name in, but since we was so terribly confused I got out my driver's license again and said, "Here. Put it in just like it's on this ID. This is my legal name."

I am not making this up, the man asked, "So you want it to match your driver's license?"

I asked him, "Are you seriously suggesting there's another option?"

He just looked confused and had to call a manager over. She was obviously an immigrant from somewhere in Asia, and immediately understood the name thing. She had to explain it to him SEVERAL times before he managed to copy what was printed on my diver's license into the computer under "Married name."

God, help us.

If you are going to play the amnesty card you will have to explain to me and my legal immigrant friends from Japan, Mexico, The Philippines, Malaysia, Canada, China, Russia, and S. Korea why we had to go through the time and expense of piles of paperwork, filing fees, and multiple background checks in addition to the requirement that we have a statement from our medical insurance companies that our children would be covered fully the moment they entered US airspace before we got the green light to come here or bring our kids here.

Thank you!
You are correct that those of us who see what is happening are not insane but are reacting to the insanity.
It is wonderful to see so many great Americans standing up for the principles that made us the greatest country.

Well said
You are right. Seems there are those who can not understand why us "common folk" get upset when the government decides to spend 3 times the amount of money needed to fix a financial problem, much less bail out all these businesses in the first place. I was always told that when you "invest" money in anything you do it at your own risk. NOT TODAY! We had the financial sector risk lending out money to those who could not pay it back and when it failed the government has to bail them out. The bail out is with our money and those in government ignore us when we send emails, place calls and write letters begging them not to do it.

Illegal Immigration..
Back when America still made sense it was no argument what "illegal" meant but today that word can mean whatever the person saying it wants it to be. Enough said. Sad!

Yes, too much foolish activity is happening around us but there is hope. It’s not a privilege but a DUTY for all those who love this country and want sanity back to fight for the America we once knew. It will not be easy and will come at a high price but it will be worth it. Lets all pass on something more than unjustified debt to the next generation. Let’s pass on the real America!



Well Said
all of you above. So far we seem to have been graced by the silence of the trolls.
Sorry, couldn't resist.

Another aspect, lets not forget that these days wherever we go we have to use an I.D. and in some instances such as my teenage grandson, born overseas to Navy parents, in order to get his drivers permit, he had to produce his VAULT
BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Now being a teenager about to get his wheels isn't as important as someone who asked for the privilege of occupying the OVAL Office presumably to LEAD this Republic as
the most powerful man on the planet. But it seems our possibly, not sure, maybe, could be or wannabe POTUS is above such a mundane obligation proving he is a Natural Born Citizen.
Instead this pretender, hires three shyster
law firms to prevent/threaten any inquiries and paying 800 k to retain them. Why? Or does
he believe he doesn't have to obey the law because he is installed under the Divine Right of Kings..or is it Pharoah?

Tea Party Time...
I understand there is a groundswell of determination to send tea bags to Washington, DC starting on April 1st, in hopes they will arrive by April 15th.

Here are my suggestions for doing so such that no one can accuse us of any sort of threat (e.g. the Anthrax scare) and also no one can trace the tea bags back to specific individuals.

1.) Get a box of foil wrapped tea bags.

2.) Address one or more envelopes to the White House, the Speaker of the House, the Senate Majority Leader and/or anyone else you choose to include.

3.) In place of the return address, print the following (preferably using a computer & printer):

"Enclosed please find one unopened foil-wrapped bag of tea for your use on April 15th. Sincerely, A Citizen."

4.) Mail from your city's main postal branch, or from a post office in another town.

Do not include anything other than the foil wrapped bag. Do not say anything nasty or otherwise incendiary. Do not include your return address anywhere on the envelope or inside. And drop the envelope in the outgoing mail slot outside easy view by the postal staff.

If several thousand (not to say several million) tea bags packaged like this showed up at the Washington, DC postal centers, the reaction should be very interesting. Any one interested in joining me?

Insanity
"It is wonderful to see so many great Americans standing up for the principles that made us the greatest country."

Thankfully, people ARE standing up. If you were to listen to the mainstream media, NO ONE cares about traditional values and EVERYONE is "for" this insanity.

http://objectiveministries.org/shutdown

Just think...
In a few years we will finally be just like Kenya so Odumbo won't miss it as much.

The economy is going to collapse and it's the liberals that caused it, that's what they want for some insane reason.

Once that happens since they hate guns we can just round them up and ship them out of here and get back to being a great country.

I'm actually looking forward to forcing them to leave like they keep threatening they will.

Remember ...


The Second Protects the rest.

Landover
If all who are outraged by the main stream media's leftist bias refused to tune in to their networks, would they experience a financial crunch?

I tend to think that conservatives seek other sources for the information they want.

_Insanity_ may be too mild
"The Global Warming Fraud": When people grew wary of est (itself a Scientology spinoff), its backers repackaged it as the Landmark Forum. Sales resistance to global warming has increased, so now it's _climate change_, which covers warming, cooling, hair loss, and hard water. The message is constant, though: we don't know what's going on, but it's bad, and all you people had better stop what you're doing right now.

"The Lawsuit Lottery": We're at the point that some defendants in frivolous lawsuits might fare better in the long term by shooting the plaintiffs.

"Demonizing Success and Rewarding Failure": The real target of demonization is not success, but upward mobility. The left adores the Kennedys and Rockefellers, but can't stand anyone who aspires to their level.

"Spending Money Like We're Never Going To Have To Pay It Back": Every household faces moments of reckoning -- it doesn't matter whether we want a new car or need it or know someone who'll sell us one; we can't afford it. Both parties have ignored moments of reckoning for decades, billions have become trillions, and nobody inside the Beltway gets it. At all. If we stopped spending cold right now, our grandchildren would have to forgo a great deal that we take for granted just to pay back what we've squandered already. But we're spending _more_. Soon we must either default, destroying the global economy and starting a depression like no one has ever imagined, or consign succeeding generations to debtors' prison.

"Our Topsy-Turvy Approach To Illegal Immigration": As William F. Buckley once wrote, "We pay people to live here, but we charge them to work." Open borders are bad enough. A welfare state is bad enough. Trying to maintain both at the same time is beyond insane.

Another great article!
I'd ad the common everyday lies of the media, and the increasing anti-gun propaganda and agenda to the list of insanity.
Wasn't there a time when journalists sought the truth in stories? Listen to them talk about a "high powered sniper rifle" that turns out to be a BB gun with a scope...or how anything is an "assault weapon"
The next crazy thing the Obama administration is going to attempt is a permanent assault weapons ban to help stop the gun violence in Mexico!!!!!!! right...like stopping law abiding tax paying Americans from buying rifles will help mexico...In the words of Joe Biden "Give me a F***** break!"

THE GREAT DEPRESSION OF THE 1920S

Has Apollo lost his mind? The Great Depression occurred in the 1930s started by the tax, spend and protectionist policies of progressive Republican President Herbert Hoover and prolonged by FDR’s Keynesian tax and spend New Deal extravaganza.

But what if Roosevelt in 1920 had gotten his wish and convinced Herbert Hoover to run for the Democratic presidential nomination with himself as Hoover’s running mate ? What if FDR’s dream ticket had materialized and he and Hoover went on to defeat Harding and Coolidge in the general election, what then? How would these two Progressives have dealt with the deep recession they would have inherited from Woodrow Wilson?

For the answer click ApolloSpeaks and read the rest of The Great Depression of the 1920s.

Sorry, no cure for this ailment
Essentially, your article states what I have argued for years, common sense is dead. The last remark about the Romans is also right on the bulls-eye. Being a democratic republic is a tough chore, requiring a motivated populace who believes that with rights come responsibilities. The 60's brought one big bad thing, irresponsibility masked as freedom. When a majority accepts irresponsibility as freedom, there is chaos.
The article and the comments are describing the symptoms of chaos. The cure is like dealing with an alcoholic, there is no real cure just a process. However, this process requires the admission of a problem. Good luck getting this administration and millions of Americans to admit the problem. They cannot even accept simple science or do simple math.
Not a pretty picture and that is why the car is speeding up while Nancy Pelosi says she is not partisan and the media reports it like it is a fact. Good grief.

JURY OF PEERS
The majority of voters who elected barry and the liberal left government now in power are no different than the 'jury of peers' who found OJ 'innocent'. No matter what the 'evidence' proves, barrys supporters will remain either too ignorant to realize they've been 'conned' or smart enough to know, but unwilling to ever admit it.
barrys 'jury of peers' are followers. Followers 'follow', unable to stand or think on their own nor embrace their own values, principles and morals. They chose to be led by a 'leader' an 'organizer' just as gang members, radical terrorist members or the minions of drug dealers do.
Followers don't fight for individual 'Freedom', or Independence, they do as they are told for the 'collective cause' of the Pied Piper they follow.
Our Founding Fathers weren't followers, nor were they 'normal' in the eyes of other Countries. They established with a Constitution and a Bill of Rights, a Free and Independent America, which We the People supported to become the Greatest and Strongest Nation on Earth.
Now the majority of We the People have become followers. Followers aren't 'insane', they are WEAK. The liberal left has gathered and 'duped' so many followers that they could ultimately 'Change' America into the 'Weakest' Nation on Earth. And that is the agenda of those who are using barry as their 'teleprompter'.


Incompetence Reigns in America
Considering the people elected to Congress and to the presidency, it's appropriate to say most American voters are clueless, ignorant, and emotional junkies. Why else would the Republic be burdened with such incompetent liberals as Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, and Obama? Why else would millions accept the proposition that we can actually affect the weather and have to change our lifestyle to align with a dubious, academic proposition?

This road leads to massive inflation, unemployment, and poverty. But that's what the merry liberals led by Pied Pipers Obama and Gore want: Equality of results, which means everybody is equally poor.

Maybe it's time for a second American Revolution, you think?

The diagnosis is correct
Now what is the cure? H-m-m-m?

Great Article
I don't know whether my reps ever look at town hall so I'm going to write them and recommend that they do. May I suggest that those of you who realize that we are headed in the wrong direction look at the C-span.org web page and use their site to write your reps. Once set up it is very professional and easy to use.

I despise the times we live in
for all of the reasons the author of this article mentions. I feel like Alice in Wonderland. We no longer have an adult, intelligent populace who understands, as one commenter mentioned, that with freedom comes responsibility. That, and the fact that we've been living beyond our means for decades, is likely to result in exactly the outcome of the former Soviet Union or ancient Rome. It's a sad realization.

Add to the global warming myth
China: Our Carbon Emissions Are Your Problem, Not Ours. Meaning we, the consumers of their products should pay for their emmissions. To obama abd his minions in obamaland this will make sense. We will then be taxed on consumption to pay for China's cap and trade plan.

great column
I see now the great and powerful Oz wants to charge vets for their care by forcing their insurance co's to re-imburse the vet's admin.

This clown insults everyone who ever wore the uniform, I suppose we retirees will lose our tri-care benefits as well so he can ensure that all the losers and illegals have health care and destroy the system for the rest of us.

When I first took the oath back in 1958, one of the promises the gov't made to induce one to join was healthcare for life. If you gave them 20 years, they'd take care of that aspect as they sure were'nt paying very well, a CPO retired on $175 a month back then.

We finally have something that resembles that promise after many decades of work by military advocate groups...but, I suspect that fight will have to be re-opened with this clown in office.

Truth
An excellent essay. So what's the solution?

The solution is radical and we're not ready for it. Insanity reigns because "good" people, the "silent majority", allow it.

The good people obey laws. They're polite, don't want trouble, and dare not risk their lives or their property to challenge authority. Besides, life's still good for most of us and we're not going to jeopardize our warm homes and big TVs . . . yet.

It's almost impossible to move large numbers of people. This is the secret of success for small groups of highly devoted and motivated people. It's why military special forces are effective. They're highly trained and motivated. History has many examples of small capable forces completely overpowering entire countries.

For America, the suffering has to get much worse. This insanity will continue until enough Americans loose everything they have and are abused by our government that is at war with us.

When the people finally wake up to the fact that as long as they obey laws written by their enemies, they will never free themselves of these elected criminals.

Voting, petitions, tea parties, and other forms of civic participation is fruitless. No one's listening. We can't accept that yet, but one day we will.

The best thing that could happen to us is a complete economic meltdown with real severe consequences. Only through crisis will a nation of 300 million serfs awaken.

And only then can the stage be set for what must be done.

It is almost like...
a supernatural being with great intelligence (albeit, evil) has designed the exact circumstances we find ourselves in....

Our problems are rooted in a lack of morality and how this lack relates to the supernatural.

Tea Party
"and in some instances such as my teenage grandson, born overseas to Navy parents, in order to get his drivers permit, he had to produce his VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE."

Stop the Moose crap.

What you need is an official Certificate of Live Birth from the place of your birth. If born in the US, the State controls what an official Certificate of Live Birth is.

In your case, the State Dept maintains the birth records for your grandson and will release an official birth certificate and the State dept will determine the format.

If born in Germany, this so called "vault copy" would be an German document and I doubt the State Dept is photo copying of this.

JD's son.
I disagree that petitions and tea parties are fruitless. People are waking up and that is a good thing. They are coming to gether to make a statement. People are listening. The liberal media does not want to report on these groups but when big enough, they will be forced to. "We the people" are making a statement. I don't know where you live but where I live, people are angry and ready to protest.

EXCELLENT ARTICLE.

Typical "Mod Mark" comment
at 8:01 AM.

Someone describes their own experience with our bureaucracy (Tea Party), but our "expert" calls it "Moose crap".

Well - I guess when one doesn't have anything to refute the column's points, one picks nits.

What can we do?
We need to start YESTERDAY to clean up the voting mess that elects the fools that are sending our country down the toilet. Prosecture ACORN (not give them billions) for voter registration fraud, nationally require identification for voting (DUH!), and get dead people, illegals, and convicts off the voting rolls. We're giving our country away to those who have no right to take it.

Stalin
once cruelly and methodically "denuded" a live chicken in front of a group of his minions. When the chicken was naked, Uncle Joe reached into his pocket, took out some chicken feed and walked away, dropping the food. The chicken, no doubt still "stinging" from her recent ordeal, followed him around, pecking up the feed.

Stalin then told his fellows that this is how you control the people; you cause them extreme pain after which they will follow you around for food.

Anybody feeling "plucked" yet

Good Rant! Well said
Nothing is going to change until enough people wake up and realize all this. Keep up the yelling and screaming. The media may be doing its best to throw a wet blanket on this fire but if the fire can be made hot enough...

Primus54
Unfortunately, some people cannot debate or discuss things with facts. When you have no facts to back up your claim, you can only smear or ridicule.

ropati
You asked what can we do?

Join a group like The 912 Project (Glen Beck) in your area. Be a part of the Tea Parties in your area. Spread the word to those you know. Encourage others. Petition. Fax and call your local,state, and federal politicians. Go to http://www.numbersUSA.com and they will keep you informed of who needs calls and faxes and they are free. Be a part of the solution verses those who are negative and do nothing.

There is power in WE THE PEOPLE.
There is power in numbers.

We all know what the solution is.
But, alas, it will not come. We will never persuade the liberals of their madness - what began in the 1960s has grown and metastasized until now it is systemic and uncontrollable. Jeff in Ohio summarizes the problem perfectly: most Americans have accepted irresponsibility as freedom, and there is chaos.

There was once a muscular America made up of self-reliant individuals who viewed imposed authority as an evil. Now most Americans, conditioned by a self-indulgent culture of victimization and the laying off of blame for personal failure, view imposed authority as a way to get even with those who have succeeded in life, and to make war upon the country's history and traditions and upon the very notion of the United States as its founders envisioned it.

The only solution is to separate from those people into a new nation. But unlike the convenient geographical separation that marked the first Civil War, there is no way to do this without a partition that will make the partition of India seem a cakewalk by comparison.

But even that is completely unlikely. I don't know if the problems articulated so brilliantly in the article can be solved without civil war, and I don't know if civil war without geographical centers is possible.

We're probably pretty much finished as a nation. Obama, Pelosi and their plug uglies will eventually spend our way into China's domination of our country, and the Chinese will call the shots. There is some ironic shadenfreude in that notion - the Chinese will not tolerate a client state full of feminized sobsisters and crybabies and will put the indolent and self-indulgent to work, and begin governing their lives in every respect.

The only question is whether we will join America's liberals in their bought and paid for slavery or fight them.

John Hawkins
Great column!

SHARON

Your post at 8:16 is illustrative of most of the liberal trolls who infest these comment threads.

Cheers.

OMG
I cannot believe all the negativity and "oh well, there's nothing we can do" stuff on this thread. There is plenty we can do. Rise up and be a part of fighting back. Join those who are protesting. Be a part of it instead of a naysayer. People are waking up and coming together.

speaking of Acorn
Is it Illegal for a non profit group to advocate one side or the other, or is Acorn exempt from the laws that the Church must abide by?

TEA PARTY
I'm in. Starting April 1, I'm sending tea to Washington.
And I can't help wondering...what if we had a TRUE tax revolt. What if millions sent tea INSTEAD of checks to the IRS and addressed the envelopes to "Tax Cheat Geitner". Now, woudn't that be interesting?

Primus54
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't mean you personally, I mean liberals in general. Read it again, please.

Class Reading Assignment
The Forgotten Man
Rules for Radicals
Atlas Shrugged.

Good Luck Miss America and Uncle Sam, been nice knowing you.

Aflac Duck driven to insanity by Obama

loislane
Yes, that would be a good one. That would be alot of tea and would definately help out Lipton. ha

Check to see if there is a Tea Party gathering near you. Many people are organizing in various cities all over the country for taxday Tea Parties.

To Sharon in Florida
Sharon, right on. I attended a "Glen Beck Party" in Marietta GA last Friday. These are people who are "just saying no" to the crap that is coming out of Washington. I also attended the Tea Party on the Georgia capitol steps last month. It poured rain, everyone was soaked to the skin, but the spirit was not dampened one bit. THIS IS AMERICA, FOLKS!!!! I'm prepared to speak out for what I believe in.

Tommy
Great post. But could you just imagine a "Liberal States of America"? No abilty for self-protection, affirmative action programs for all "victims" (which would be about 98% of the population). Unbridled abortions, drug use, welfare benefits galore, "open borders", an emasculated police force (if any at all), sky high corporate taxes, environmental taxes, energy taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc.

...but just imagine an America based and formed on true conservative values.

Eagle eye01
ACORN probably is illegal just like this administration but then look who would be investigating it. Anybody can win when they cheat.

We the people must get our point across that the government politicians must work FOR us, not AGAINST us.

hawkins
wow. now unemployment benefits are bad too. gee where were you when rush was collecting unemployment and joe the plumber was collecting welfare. twice.

America was once 'Land of Opportunity'

America was once the 'Land of Opportunity'.

Where an American Citizen could be 'Successful' by self determination, hard work, good decisions and personal responsibility.

America is NOW the 'Land of Irresponsibility'.

Where an American Citizen can only be 'Successful' by being part of a 'Collective', working the system, using race, gender, sexual preference etc, to determine 'Collective Benefits' by by NOT working, bad decisions and personal irresponsibility.


Maggie
Good for you!
That's what I see too. People determined to speak up and stand up in defense of our country. If we go down, at least we will go down fighting.

These politicians need to be held accountable. Enough of this pitting people against each other while they tear down the Constitution piece by piece. We are all in this together and need to stand together.

roy
I think he is talking about people who live on welfare for years and years. This is a "gimme generation" and people are weary of working hard to provide for their family and lazy people collecting money for doing nothing.

There's a big difference and I'm sure you know that.

Tea bags
will never get to those they're meant for, therefore, about as effective as all of the stoopid email petitions that go around, which is nil, if even that. The only thing these craven, self-serving pols understand is late in the evening of election day and the returns are telling them they've just been fired.

The Tea Parities are gaining a groundswell of support and my wife and I plan on TAKING OFF WORK, to attend ours here locally on April 15. It may not get any coverage, but I'm looking for some like minded people to network with, and begin to prepare for the eventuality that Handsome Son alludes to.

Generally I would say taking to the street is not effective for our side because no one knows about it, thanks to to blind and biased media. It may be too late, but we need to infiltrate, educate and demonstrate that what we believe in works every time, whereas socialism FAILS - EVERY TIME!

John 5 Stars
Unfortunately, I have to agree with JD's Son on the fact that it will take a complete meltdown and catastrophic event for the silent majority to rise up and take the country back. The libs are not stupid and very coniving though and they will make their changes gradually as to "condition" us into accepting a little here and a little there until it is too late.

ADLoggy
the silent majority is trying to come together NOW before it gets worse.

Nope Primus

Alluding to a VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE is a cheap attempt to discredit Obama that he is a Martian and should not be president.

A response is required.

Glen Beck.....

Glen Beck sides with the Alabama gunman who killed 8 (or was it 10?) people:

"Here's a guy who felt that he had been wronged... He was disgruntled, and then he went out and shot a bunch of people... Clearly he's a psycho. But as I'm listening to him, I'm thinking about the American people that feel disenfranchised right now. That feel like nobody's hearing their voice. The government isn't hearing their voice. Even if you call, they don't listen to you, on both sides. If you're a conservative, you're called a racist, you want to starve children. Yada, yada, yada. And every time they do speak out, they're shut down by political correctness. How do you not have those people turn into that guy?"



Mod Mark
If Obama refuses to show legal documentation, he should NOT be president. Period.
Remember the Constitution? Quit ignoring it like it isn't important.


We Allowed The Insanity
We allowed the insanity by reelecting those who did not have a clue. Have anyone else wondered how Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are leaders in our houses. These two are who the Democrats have chosen to lead them. Looks like they were elected to please the far left, the base of the Democrat Party since Reagan.

in today's Wahington , it is more about politics than Constitution.

Sharon
"the silent majority is trying to come together NOW before it gets worse"

Actually, I think we are still too busy working and providing for those who don't/won't work to take the time to get involved.

Ever notice how easily the libs can get a crowd together to protest, even during work hours? Its because we support them by working and paying taxes. They have nothing else to do but protest, riot and name call to ensure we continue their support.

Glen Beck.....
Even David Frum is concerned about Glen Beck. In an article entitled “What is Going on at Fox News”:

"The audience for Beck’s Friday night special were each given copies of two books. One of them was Cleon Skousen’s Five Thousand Year Leap. Skousen, who died in 2006, is one of the legendary cranks of the conservative world, a John Bircher, a grand fantasist of theories about secret conspiracies between capitalists and communists to impose a one-world government under the control of David Rockefeller." (http://www.newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=30edc824-3d2c-40fa-b904-cb1442e2bcaf)


I really think Glen needs to go get some help.



Obama inherits 8 years of Bush insanity:
With bold, visionary, and daring actions, President Obama is selflessly and fearlessly leading America out of the 8 dark years of the Bush administration.

Obama has replaced fiscally irresponsible Bush deficits with fiscally responsible deficits. President Obama has responsibly borrowed, increased the supply of, and taxed for the money needed to turn this economy around. The stock market is realizing this and is begining to surge, Ben Bernanke is predicting the end of the recession at some point this year!

Increases in federal funding reflect the values of a majoity of the public today. Billions more for Global Warming which threatens to destroy the planet, billions more to make sure all Americans are entitled to basics from the government such as healthcare, education, housing, and jobs.

The simple beauty of Obama's plan is to raise taxes on only the top 1% of American wage earners. No harm to them, and it relieves the middle class tax burden. Spreading out the responsibility for caring for each other is for the good of everyone.

Obama needs time, government programs must be established and become the efficient conduit through which employment, and basic human needs are provided for all in our nation.

It's time to get back to sanity.

Dr. Harold Donohue
Moosic, PA

Globug
You say "we" re-elected Pelosi and Reid. Well, I surely didn't. I wouldn't vote for either of them if they were the last ones running. But, I sure will speak out against them and I doubt Reid will get re-elected. Pukelosi...well, you know how San Fran is.

Times are not good
But what if we elected a Conservative Republican majority for the House in 2010? That would be a good beginning, would it not?

Birth Certificate......
"Alluding to a VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE is a cheap attempt to discredit Obama that he is a Martian and should not be president."

Mod Mark - thanks for challenging this birth certificate nonsense. I really don't understand what they mean by a "vault" birth certificate. I have a feeling that Obama could produce a BC signed by God Himself and they would find a reason that it wasn't good enough.


TX gal
I don't know anything about those two books but I do believe the rulers of many countries (including our government) want a One Worl Government. They have on occasion slipped with the words themselves. One more reason for the open borders, world banks, eminent domain, world currency. It's there for people to see so what is so crazy about him seeing it and speaking out against it?

We need more people with guts.

Whoa Gia!!
Hey cool down. I'm not crazy about his politics and decisions but to wish him dead is pretty insane. I really don't want anything bad to befall him, I just hope he loses the next election.

Be careful what you wish for as he could have his picture on our currency for your enjoyment the rest of your life. :-)

WHAT CAN WE DO?
STOP FOGETTING! That's WHAT!
Stop forgetting 9/11. Stop forgetting what liberals do when elected to power.
If everyday we REMEMBERED 9/11 and unified as a patriotic, independent and free people and if everyday we REMEMBERED that liberals TAX (except for their own tax cheats) and SPEND, our Country wouldn't be headed (BEHEADED) to the depths of Socialism, if not Communism.

TXgal
If Obama has a valid birth certificate, why not show it? He has spent $860,000 to hide it and his college documents. A person doesn't spend almost a million bucks to hite something that is legit.

A birth certificate is written AT BIRTH and shows where and when a baby was born.

A "certificate of live birth" is a document that just states a person exists. Therefore, someone could be born in Kenya but show up in Hawaii and obtain a certificate of live birth just because they are alive.
Big difference.

The Constitution says one must be BORN in the USA in order to be president. This is to protect our country. If we ignore the Constitution on one point, why not another and another and another?
It is not nonsense.

SHARON

No - I didn't misunderstand. I was agreeing with you, but after re-reading my comments, I can see where I might have lead you astray.

I had hoped to point out that your comment was spot on and described most liberals who come here.

Sorry for the confusion!

Primus54
Oh thanks for clarifying. I was astounded that anyone would think I was a liberal or a troll. But a liberal troll? OMG no... Anything but that !!!

roadmaster
You are correct. Understandably, and unlike our hippy/ultra-leftist brethren, very few conservatives have the time to spend a Tuesday protesting or attending rallies. This has historically ensured an extremely skewed reality in which vocal minorities are perceived as a majority.

However, when pushed too far, conservatives will make their voices heard – which will also encourage and give confidence to our “closet conservatives” who live in liberal bastions and are still concerned with being ostracized.

TX Gal

When you are born, the hospital fill out a certificate of live birth and file it with the local government. This is the so called VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE or some call it the long form.

The official policy of Hawaii, they do not release the original BC. When Obama requested his BC from Hawaii, they retrieve the original copy and produce an Official Certificate of Live Birth on some fancy legal paper.

What is so silly concerning the Cult of the Birth Certificate folks, they need to sue the State of Hawaii, not Obama if they want to see the original BC.

The new leader of the Cult of the Birth Certificate is Orly Taitz. She is a Russian emigrant, during the day she is filling cavities as a dentist, by night she is the leader of the Cult!

She is the tall blond. Quite silly if you ask me..

http://www.drtaitz.com/staff.htm


ADLoggy
Extremely unlikely that “gia” is actually a conservative poster. Liberals sometimes come on here and pose as conservatives just so they can then point to the "conservative hatred" on liberal sites. Bizarre & over-the-top comments posted by a name you’ve never seen before are usually dead giveaways.

mOD mARK
Then why does Obama spend $860,000 to keep it in the vault? Huh?

AND, what about the college papers? Huh?


Tx gal;

Well if he could provide a birth certificate that is bullet proof why doesn't he. Why did he go to to the islands and have his records sealed by the governor. Hmmmmmmm.......

SHARON
"The Constitution says one must be BORN in the USA in order to be president."

Bzzzz, wrong.

Beowolf has some excellent posts on this.

The courts have ruled, if you have a parent who is a US citizen and while on vacation in France, delivers a child, that child is a natural born citizen of the US.

You do understand, McCain was not born on US soil.




Excellent article
Keep up that kind of writing.

jb

Icedog
You are right on the money.

Imposter.

Liberals love imposters.

Icedog is right on who works
After 9-11 we were deploying units to Afghanistan and I was sent to an Armory in western Mass. to assist a Nat'l Guard unit in preparation and mobilizing. It was winter and as I was driving through downtown to their armory I noticed there were about 20 protesters standing in the middle median protesting the war.

I couldn't help but notice the melted slush and large puddles in close proximity to the curb they were crowding. Since they really looked as if they hadn't bathed in a month I sped up, adjusted proximity to the curb and bathed them.

This was at 9:00 am on a Thursday when everyone else was working.

BTW, I turned to my right and saw some older retired folks laughing as I drove on.

mOD marK
I do understand that McCain showed his papers as he should.

I do understand that Obama's mother was not on vacation in France. She may have given up her citizenship to MOVE to Indonesia and Indonesia has its own immigration laws.

If he's legit then he should show the proof. That's all anyone is asking.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a cult for God's sake. That's nuts.

Mod Mark;

McCain was a U.S. citizen because both his parents were. If a person is born in Kenya and one of the parents is a Kenyan citizen then that person is Kenyan By law. Doesn't matter where the other person is from. Obama's Kenyan Grandmother said Obama was born in Kenya. Why would she say that if it were not true.

ADLoggy
thanks for sharing. I wish I could have seen it.

Gotta go. Everyone have a great day.

In Agreement with John Hawkins
Great article John. This article is absolutely true. The inmates are running the asylum. The legal system is set up to benefit and employ more lawyers. It is not about justice. It is about winning a debate and making money for lawyers. Global warming is another means to suck $$ from business and destroy democracy. It provides a market for a non-existant entity (carbon credits)that has to be traded to stay in business. It lines the pockets of the people controling their trading (Al Gore). Rewarding mediocrity or failure is just the left trying to reinvent the world to try to make it match their warped, twisted view of how it ought to be or to try to make it "fair". They are blind to reality. They don't see that the rich contribute to charity and stripping them of their wealth destroys their ability to support charities. Oh, that's right; government is supposed to take care of everyone, not private charity. The spending orgy is just politicians trying to buy votes to stay in office. I still don't understand the reasoning behind illegal immigration other than politicians hoping to ingratiate a new crop of potential voters. What good is citizenship if it has no meaning? What good is belonging to a private club if non-club members who pay nothing can use the facilities for free?
Unless we can take control back from the idiots, our nation is lost forever. These are horrible times to grow up in compared to my childhood. Unfortunately, it is my generation that has gotten lost and is bringing about our destruction.

ModMark
ModMark,
I am completely bewildered at your comments on this article. Hawkins and dozens of conservatives just made countless damning allegations that liberals (and to some degree so-called moderates) are the cancer on this country and are well on their way to destroying the greatest civilization in the history of mankind. …and the only issue you can find (and beat to friggin’ death) is one made by a poster about Obama’s birth certificate? Do you concede all other conservative points in this thread? ...or do you just have nothing substantial for a rebuttal?

Sharon
Glen Beck seems to believe that the Obama administration is PLANNING a totalitarian take over of the government. I used to listen to him on the radio a few years ago and thought at the time that he was entertaining but maybe a little bit paranoid. Yes, he is standing up and speaking out and rallying the base, and that's fine if he doesn't agree with what's going on in Washington. But I think he's going off the deep end. Everything is one huge conspiracy to him now.


TX Gal...
For now you are free to express your agreement or disagreement with ideals. If it weren't for people like myself along with countless others who stood before a flag, raised our right hand and swore before god to defend this great country that you call home. You would not have that right to do so.
This country has been governed by a constitution. I will gladly give my life to ensure even those who oppose my ideoligy are able to live under the freedom that our forefathers articulated so well.
So before you spout off about who you disagree with or who you think is stupid you might want to ask yourself this: "Am I willing to give my life to defend my country, it's rights and freedoms that it affords to my fellow citizens and I will defend the constitution against all enemies foriegn and domestic?" If you can not say you are willing perhaps you should act like the children of your grandparents and parents era, which is "children are meant to be seen and not heard".

Mod Mark
"When you are born, the hospital fill out a certificate of live birth and file it with the local government. This is the so called VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE or some call it the long form."

So when Tea Party said that his grandson had to produce a VAULT birth certificate to get a drivers permit, he had to get the ORIGINAL certificate that was filled out when he was born. I find this highly unlikely. If I lost my bc, I would write to the county where I was born and they would send me a certified copy. That would be good enough for a drivers license, passport, etc.

THE MOB DICTATES

.....BEGINNING WITH THE 17th AMENDMENT and coming to a head with FDR our Republic silently passed away and we begame an ipso facto Democracy ...the one thing our founders studiously tried to avoid ...

.....I am afraid we have passed the point of no return ...the mob demands bread and circuses .....COLOSSUS

Sharon-Primus
All MoronicMark wants is to be the center of attention.

Icedog
Torture, Media Blackouts, abductions of foreign nationals, American citizens held for 7 years without attorneys, charges or trials, health care cuts for our elderly and soldiers, hazard pay suspended for our soldiers after the "Mission Accomplished" speech, Politicizing our justice department, Mismanagement of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, Katrina, Medicare/Medicaid, Treatment of Homosexuals and the trampling of their rights, nothing for the poor, elderly, disabled, veterans and ethnic groups, un-funded mandates for education, the attempt of dismantling public education(vouchers), firing US attorneys (political), Tax cut and Barrow economics, Deregulation, Religion before science and the list goes on. How is that for substantial?

Sharon-Primus-IceDog
The insanity was ALWAYS there, but it was IGNORED! The cause of the insanity spreading was the 52% of voters who were STUPID enough to elect the Sail Eared Simpleton! He was stupid enough to believe in the insanity and was put in a position to make insanity into public policy.

BOTTOM LINE! The root of the insanity was the election of the Ebony Imbecile. ALL else flows from that!

IceDog, did you move?

Georgetwin et al

Your post @ 10:37 AM is absolutely correct.

Narcissists are like that.

SHARON
"AND, what about the college papers? Huh?"

Why would Obama pander to the right who did not vote for him? Simply put, it is not in his best interest to release his collage records. You already hate the guy as is.

Remember, he won the election!

But go ahead and send Orly a check to fight this cause. Her 15 minutes of fame has started.






Baseballdoc
Good to see ya buddy! Now, that pleasantries are out of the way. I love it when people revert their arguments to our founding fathers and what they stood for. The picture of America that conservatives have painted is so far removed from what our founding fathers wanted for this country it really is insulting to their names. It all starts with values before policy. Our founding fathers did not feel it was our government's place to govern from the pulpit. Arguments for gay marriage bans, abortion, stem cell research, ten commandments, school prayer and the like have no place in government. Yet, these things are at the toward the top of any so called conservative patriot's list of no no's for an elected official.

TX Gal

Barack Obama and his Administration are planning a 'Totalitarian Government'.

Please post your arguments that prove Obama is NOT doing that.

Obama continues Attack on Military

Barack Obama is attacking 'Wounded Veterans'.

Obama Wants Health Care for Illegals and dead beat NON taxpayers, but NOT for wounded Soldiers.
--------------------
Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance

By Adam Levine

March 12, 2009

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Lawmakers say they’d reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it’s sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget…

Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under "consideration."

"A final decision hasn’t been made yet," he said…

American Government is now an Oligarchy

The American Government is NO longer a Constitutional Republic (rule of law) and NOT even a Democracy (mob rule).

The American Government is NOW an Oligarchy.

What is an Oligarchy = This name is given to designate the power which a few citizens of a state have usurped, which ought by the constitution to reside in the people.

Plato said that Tyranny (dictator rule) was the worst form of Government, followed by Democracy (mob rule) and then Oligarchy (rule by an elite super class), IOW Socialism and Communism.

Liberals (whether republican or democrat) are elitists, who 'Feel' they know what is best for America and its Citizens and will Sacrifice anything and everything for what they perceive is 'The Common Good'.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
Hillary Clinton

"...true patriotism also means a willingness to sacrifice for our common good..."
Barack Obama July 6, 2008

g-d please have mercy on the USA
please g-d hear my prayer.
restore my America to pre 1/20/2009, and pre AIG bailout and TARP bailouts and let me wake up and see that Newt is president and John Boehener is VP.

Passive Aggressive
Tune into the liberal stations you find most detestable. Needn't view or listen to their insane frothing, but do indeed take note of the advertisers. Next, write/e-mail these sponsors stating your displeasure and refusal to purchase their products because of their association with the program material. You can state that you find it un-American, or counter to the free market principles you believe in. Since this is personally offensive to you as a true American, you are also going to urge all your friends, family members and co-workers to shun those products as well. Now, don't worry, we as tax payers already fund liberal/radical viewpoints with NPR, et.al. That's the first step in the strategy. There's more to come. We can indeed be heard and heeded. I've always subscribed to the K.I.S.S. philosophy. Keep It Simple Sweetheart. We do have the power.

WADE OH

.....hey buddy!! ...

.....I see that your grammatical skills are no better than your mathematical ability ...ever hear of a run-on-sentence? ...

.....MATH LESSON: "Baseballdoc + morom" = "baseballdocmoron" ...better to be quiet and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it ...now that you have confirmed that you are an idiot this will be my last correspondence with you ...being a computer I cannot compute idiots .....COLOSSUS


SHARON
"She may have given up her citizenship to MOVE to Indonesia and Indonesia has its own immigration laws."

Obama's mother was an US citizen at the time of his birth. She move to Indonesia after he was born.

A parent cannot take take away their child's US citizenship, that is a right which belongs to the child.

Sorry, that one doesn't work either.

Get It On
Why don't we stop having these pointless discussions and get on with dividing North America up into freedom-loving and socialist states? Let the liberal fascists have the coastal cities on the Atlantic, Pacific,and the Great Lakes. Freedom-lovers are never going to change the minds of the liberal fascists. Their ideology is sociopathic. We need to be rid of them. Separate and repudiate the national debt at the same time.

Incredulous
Yes! Boycott the liberal fascists. We can defeat them with mssive antonwide boycotts. Un-employ any democrat in your company NOW.

GIA NY

.....I don't know if you are being satirical or not but I would be careful of expressing your wishes for the President's death, joking or not ...such public statements lead to visits by the Secret Service and a possible 3:00 A.M. knock on the door .....COLOSSUS

Airborne82nd
"If a person is born in Kenya and one of the parents is a Kenyan citizen then that person is Kenyan By law."

Nope. It does not matter what Kenyan says, US laws apply.

In this case, the child when reaches the age of 18, he can declare or renounce his citizenship of the US if the issue of dual citizenship applies.

If Obama did renounce his citizenship, it would be recorded in the Federal register.

Wade
Plato was also a student of logic. When are you going to use it? BTW, candles were very rare Greece in 400BC are you sure it wasn't a torch or did you just make that up?

0+0=what?
A moron is a zero
Your a zero
both together equal the same thing, moron
I guess I'm a math wiz in comparison

Icedog
" are the cancer on this country and are well on their way to destroying the greatest civilization in the history of mankind"

Then I suggest you join the campaign of your GOP congressman and help take back the House or Senate.

Obama is here to stay for at least 4 years.

If you have grown tired of the Birth Certificate issue, please tell Orly to return to her Dentist practice and drop these lawsuits.


Baseballdoc
I think gia is one of those libs paid to post wild statements to make the TH posters look like crazed nutjobs.

If we all start flagging gia's posts as offensive (she wishes the president would die) we can get rid of her/him/it once and for all.

baseballdoc


Good advice concerning Gia.

She is a scary person, not a typical troll.

I think she truly has gone over the edge with some of her comments.

wade
"Torture, Media Blackouts, abductions of foreign nationals, American citizens held for 7 years without attorneys, charges or trials, health care cuts for our elderly and soldiers, hazard pay suspended for our soldiers after the "Mission Accomplished" speech, Politicizing our justice department, Mismanagement of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, Katrina, Medicare/Medicaid, Treatment of Homosexuals and the trampling of their rights, nothing for the poor, elderly, disabled, veterans and ethnic groups, un-funded mandates for education, the attempt of dismantling public education(vouchers), firing US attorneys (political), Tax cut and Barrow economics, Deregulation, Religion before science and the list goes on. How is that for substantial?

Wow that's quite a list you have there. Care to enlighten us with some facts instead of innuendo? Are you trying to dazzle us with your brilliance or baffle us with your BS? My guess is probably the latter. BTW-Now that the liberals are in charge, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off permamently!!!

Sad...sad...sad...
Sad, but very true; we never learn the lessons of History therefore, we are doomed to repeating it.

Not made up
I didn't write the thing, take it up with Plato.
"And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the den, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable) would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death."

Hawkins Gets It
He consistently writes cogent articles for TH. He identifies issues (not distractions). Amidst the hubbub about AIG bonuses of a paltry $165 million, is the looming $3.6 trillion budget nuclear tsunami which will bankrupt us once and for all. A double-speak evil clown of a president talks about "responsible spending" while pushing for passage of this budget - it is the definition of total insanity. I cannot believe what is happening, but it will get worse, much much worse, and will continue to get worse until Obama and the nuthouse asylum residents in training aka "Congress", are gone or they confiscate all private property and wealth from all citizens. I don't think it requires too much imagination to envision that happening.

It's been years since Congress, the President or the Supreme Court paid even the slightest deference to constitutional limits of power. Without that, what is going to stop them from nationalizing everything?

sheepdog
With few exceptions, the litatny of sins that morons like Wade can put together occur under every administration. That list can be trumped several times over by the lists of constitutional outrages occuring in the Lincoln administration. Liberals are all about feelings and the moment - intellectual discipline bores them, knowledge beyond the expedient is not relevaqnt and so we musn't expect rigorous argument or brilliant analysis out of them.

Ultimately discourse is of little point. They must be fought and defeated. Their disease must be rooted out and eradicated. You don't reason wit h tuberculosis or malaria - you kill it. So it goes with the plague of liberalism.

You want more sheepdog?
"Torture" - see Gitmo,Abu Ghraib

"Media Blackouts" - see Fallen soldier media ban

"abductions of foreign nationals" - see Amber Alert legislation 2003

"American citizens held for 7 years without attorneys, charges or trials" - see U.S. citizen Jose Padilla

health care cuts for our elderly - see 2007 budget "reduce the growth of Medicare by $66 billion over five years and Medicaid by $12.7 billion.

hazard pay suspended for our soldiers after the "Mission Accomplished" speech - see
Bush Administration underfunded veterans' health care by $2 billion,ending health care benefits for 173,000 veterans,Bush Administration budget cuts force more than 200,000 veterans to wait for health care,Bush Administration opposed plan to give National Guard and Reserve Members access to health insurance and so on. I can go down the line if you want me to.




Wade is confused
Wade Uses Plato as a souce of justifying darkness, He has confusion between good and evil as well as light and darkness. Sin is the root of all evil and the power of sin is the law. Solomon said in Proverbs 4:18 "The path of the righteous is like the gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter tilll the full light of day. But the way of the wicked is darkness; they do not know what makes them stumble. John does an excellent job hilighting the deception in our politics concealed from our vision by our government. I will pray Wade will find a light so that he may see also.

Thank you John Hawkins
I couldn't have said it better myself.

Dr. Harold
Does Loyal Democrat know you're working HIS side of the street? LOL

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Obama Insanity
Those who elected Obama were insane in that they could not forsee the probable outcome of their actions. All of us are now suffering from his "administration" which is a combination of Hitler, Stalin, and Mary Poppins, chocolate coated. In addition to a must read (Atlas Shrugged), see The Fountainhead, which gives a good picture of the under-world which brings Obama's kind to office.

The Answer: Put your money in precious metals - gold, silver, and bullets.

A nice synthesis!
Of all the frustrations felt by genuine conservatives. That of course leaves out ANYONE named either Bush or McCain.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

For baseballdoc
"...such public statements lead to visits by the Secret Service and a possible 3:00 A.M. knock on the door..."

It's already happening. The AIG bonuses that have Obama so indignant were owed to the employees who received them BY CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT. AIG was contactually obligated to pay these bonuses.

It gets worse.

The details of this bonus program were disclosed more than a year ago. That means this was known (or should have been known) by the US Gov't when bailout funds were given to AIG.

Worse still, Tim Guithner (the new tax-cheating SecTreas) reviewed the AIG bailout when he was AG in NY.

The US Gov't owns 79% of AIG by virtue of this bailout.

Chris Dodd added an amendment to the bailout bill specifically exempting these kinds of bonuses.

Dodd now wants to tax the AIG bonuses at 90%.

Andrew Cuomo is demanding that AIG send him the list of bonus recipients. If he doesn't get this list he threatens to issue subpoenaes.

Now bonus recipients are getting death threats from private citizens.

And Senator Charles Grassley has said that recipients of AIG bonuses should either give the money back or "kill yourselves".

Summarizing, it was known (or should have been known) by the gov't that AIG owed these bonuses before the bailout passed Congress and was signed into law by Obama. Chris Dodd specifically addressed these bonuses with legislation, acknowledging that they were above-board and would be paid.

Now that the legal, inevitable bonuses have been paid a bunch of DC political hacks are outraged.

The lunatics now control the asylum.


doctorfixit. I AGREE!
If these liberals want to spend all this money, then why don't THEY pay for it?! Liberals are always giving with others people's money. Hardly ever their own. I love the idea of putting the radicals, liberals, socialists, communists, democrats, illegal immigrants, and hippies into one side of our country, and, putting the freedom-loving, Constitution-loving, law-abiding Americans on the other side.
I think that's the only way you could finally force these thieving, worthless bedwetters to realize how stupid they are. Their "liberal" country wouldn't last a year. I mean, how many of those liberals would want to work hard to pay for their neighbors crap? How many of those liberals would work hard and pay the taxes to educate "for free" the kids of illegal, lawless immigrants? They couldn't all be on welfare in their new liberal country. Their leaders would surely skip-out on paying taxes. It would collapse. Kinda like what their doin to our country now!

wade
"health care cuts for our elderly - see 2007 budget "reduce the growth of Medicare by $66 billion over five years and Medicaid by $12.7 billion.

Hey genius..Use your brain if you have one. There not taking any money away from it just reducing the percentage of growth. In other words there getting more money not less. Only a liberal would consider a reduction in growth as a cut.

"abductions of foreign nationals" - see Amber Alert legislation 2003

ROFLMAO...Are you serious? Let me guess. You don't think that arresting foreign nationals and deporting them for sex offenses is a crime? http://www.invincakid.com/academy/abduction.html











Terence
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain" - Deuteronomy 2:34

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathe" Deuteronomy 20:16-18

"So it was that all who fell that day, both men and women, were twelve thousand - all the people of Ai." Joshua 8:25

"They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it - men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys" Joshua 6:21

Don't quote scripture to me as a way of professing good. Killing in the name of God is still killing or am I confused?

ADLoggy
Bravo Zulu -- (meaning you done good!)

I only got one of 'em. A strange looking fellow walked towards me on Elm Ave in Long Beach, Ca. I thought he was going to say something, instead he spit a glob right beneath my ribbons on my blouse. I had stuff in both hands, having been shopping, so I kicked him as hard as I could. I was wearing leather wellingtons at the time.

He screamed and fell into the gutter. A cop came from someplace and asked what had happened. I told him. He hauled the hippy down the street without handcuffing him. The hippy was still screaming when they rounded the corner. I hope to this day that I broke his kneecap -- or where ever I actually connected. The cop never asked for my name. I caught the boat back to my ship and never heard anything further. They were a sorry lot!

wade et al

God is light.

Truth is light.

Liberalism is darkness.

When will liberals come into the light?

Tony......
"So before you spout off about who you disagree with or who you think is stupid you might want to ask yourself this: "Am I willing to give my life to defend my country, it's rights and freedoms that it affords to my fellow citizens and I will defend the constitution against all enemies foriegn and domestic?" If you can not say you are willing perhaps you should act like the children of your grandparents and parents era, which is 'children are meant to be seen and not heard'."

First off, I never called anyone stupid. But then I re-read your post and you said "who you think is stupid." There are plenty of people here that I disagree with, but really I don't think they are stupid. With the exception of gia maybe.

I wonder if you would be saying the same thing to your right wing spokespersons such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Gallagher, Beck, and also others in the Bush administration, who were so rah rah about going to war in Iraq but who were maybe too chicken sh!t to serve themselves.

And thanks very much for your service. What war did you say you were in?



sharon
thats not what it sounded like to me. sounds to me like hawkins excuses unemployment and welfare for his heroes but anyone else is a no good leech.

Good Article
Good thought provoking piece, especially like the quote regarding the fall of Soviet Union and comparing it to U.S. and China. We are quickly becoming a bailout culture. I am young, my generation has been given everything, we don't really understand the value of working for something, so if the current generation in power intends to keep giving us things we should learn how to work for I fear our country will not survive the night. Without a doubt it will be a dark 4 years. It really is time that the conservatives (not republicans; lost my faith in our republican representatives) take a page from the liberal play book and take over the online medium and really begin to flood our colleges with our ideas and values.

TX Gal
You might want to check with the Texas Air National Guard. One of Bush's commanding officers said, more than once on TV, that Bush volunteered two (maybe three) times for "Palace Gate," which was deployment to Vietnam. He did not get to deploy for various reasons; 1) He was junior to others who wanted to go to get their ticket punched and, later, 2) They stopped deploying that type of acft to Vietnam because they had lost so many. (The aircraft in which Bush was qualified was considered, at that time, to be the most dangerous in the Air Force's inventory.)

I can't speak for the others who did not go to Vietnam. Hannity might not have been in the right age group, i.e, not old enough.

sheepdog?
Are you serious? Only a conservative would think that abduction and arrest mean the same thing. I suppose you think sex offenders place their victims under arrest rather than abduct them. Law governs whether an arrest can be made. Our laws don't transcend our boarders. We have no authority to arrest in other countries, nor can we collect our own American citizens with out that government's permission, idiot. You can't deport people that weren't here to begin with? You're having trouble today aren't you?

Too long
For too long we conservatives keep our voices low and let an elitist left wing minority scream so loud that no one hears anything but their whiny voices. We can't settle for this, we need to get angry and loud.

a

"Now, if YOU served with noble intentions, I thank you. But, it's silly to question the patriotism of a fellow American or ask them to be silent based on willingness to serve. Next you'll be questioning patriotism on the grounds of if you like cheeseburgers, chevrolets or blondes with fake t--s."

Thanks, a! Well said!


Wade
Sorry, love, the next Civil War is coming and like they said in the Thunderdome: "Dying time is here."

Thanks Barack Obama
If it weren't for you I would never be an activist. I am participating in my first tea party here in the liberal CABAL that is NYC. Also, I'm I the only one who thinks that our Republican Party is doing well? If the massive defeat of Goldwater didn't finish us, I don't think a bunch of substitute teachers in Congress or liberal bloggers hiding in their momas basement wearing nothing that child molester underwear can't either.

Seadog
"You might want to check with the Texas Air National Guard. One of Bush's commanding officers said, more than once on TV, that Bush volunteered two (maybe three) times for "Palace Gate," which was deployment to Vietnam."

That's why I said "others in the Bush admin," I didn't mean to actually include Pres. Bush in there. But I didn't want to have to go and look up who was in the military and who wasn't. Some who come to mind that I don't think ever were are Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perl, etc., all of whom were so pro-war.

I'm not knocking them, or the right wing talk radio jocks, for not serving in the military, I'm just wondering why they would be more allowed to express their views than I am mine.


Tommy
Only a fool would actually want a Civil War. Like the kind of person that would quote Mad Maxx, Beyond Thunderdome as a source of reason on a political blog site. You keep on being an idiot Tommy and us liberals will keep on running things. Thanks for your contribution of stupidity.

desert-dweller

Nice going, dude (or dudette)! You just expressed how I feel sometimes when reading TH.


Desert dweller - get out of the sun
You may have a genuine case of sunstroke. You've got it all wrong. You demonstrate why liberals are mind-numbed zombies - lockstep in line with their leaders and far more likely to all think alike than dissent or disagree. Conservatives are the independent-minded people in society. Or perhaps you are the product of a public school and cannot read which also appears to be true. If you want, I can walk you through the dialogue, sign, or translate for you.

Union - don't you dare try to tell me how great unions are. I grew up in Detroit and I've seen what unions breed: lazy, entitlement-minded, unproductive "workers" who expect everything and give nothing. The only real workers are self-employed people like my grandfather, father, and me. We risk our own capital. We create jobs. We work - all hours until the job gets done. We do not get bailouts. We do not ask for them. We pay more taxes than anyone else. We also employ more people - what do you do? So be off with you, boy, you annoy me.

Wear a hat next time.




Sometimes all I can do
... is laugh. Laugh at the sheer insanity of what used to be a free and SANE Republic.

God Save America ... and if God decides to let this country go over the "leftist cliff" then may God rebuild this nation with those of us who did not "fall" and remain standing on His Word.

GOP Scorecard of Continued Failure
There are no signs in the poll that Republican congressional leaders are benefiting from the public’s concern about major economic policies. In fact, approval of Republican congressional leaders has fallen from 34% in February to 28% currently, the lowest rating for GOP leaders in nearly 14 years of Pew Research surveys. Republicans, in particular, have become less supportive of their party’s leaders in Congress: just 43% of Republicans approve of their job performance, down from 55% just a month ago. By contrast, nearly half of Americans (47%) approve of the job Democratic congressional leaders are doing.

In addition, no single Republican figure, either in Congress or elsewhere, has emerged as the party’s leader. When asked who they think of as the leader of the Republican Party, 73% either say they do not know (58%), or volunteer that there is no leader (15%). John McCain is mentioned most frequently, but just 11% name the Arizona senator as leader of the Republican Party.

We need more characters like author of this stupid blog to FLUSH whatever remains of the regional Party - GOP

Magic Mike Steele still failing
GOP bigots still in control while they tell Magic Mike Steele to do housework.

desert dweller
good post. i never understood why people who work for a living would willinging be shiite on and conned by the investor class as much as they are either. the people that i know who are that way are of three types. either they have a problem with race, they ascribe to the horatio alger nonsense, or they are ayn rand worshippers. whick is quickly changing into rush limbaugh worshippers. sometimes all three. i guess they just don't see that rush doesn't give a rat's behind about anyone but himself. he is the successor to rand's bs philosophy.

the-desert-dweller's creativity
As most of your leftist associates back in the looney hospital or on leave, you are a master at fabricating BS and then attaching the most convenient label to create the illusion of actual truth and facts. All those things you accuse the TH SANE of standing for are nothing more than manipulations that you created. You are full of leftist propaganda talking points, a well programmed disciple.

Without programmed manipulators like you, who have no clue as to TRUTH, this site would be empty of any insanity, lies and manipulations, which is all your bunch brings to it.

Is too bad, your brain has gone to waste !

This one is for wade
You wrote:

"hazard pay suspended for our soldiers after the "Mission Accomplished" speech - see
Bush Administration underfunded veterans' health care by $2 billion,ending health care benefits for 173,000 veterans,Bush Administration budget cuts force more than 200,000 veterans to wait for health care,Bush Administration opposed plan to give National Guard and Reserve Members access to health insurance and so on. I can go down the line if you want me to."

Well, right now your hero Obama is trying to push legislation that will require military personnel to buy private health insurance to cover all their health needs, INCLUDING INJURIES RECIEVED IN BATTLE AND/OR TRAINING.

So bite your tongue the next time you want to dog Bush over VA benefits. Obama doesn't even want our soldiers to have what amounts to Workman's Comp.

It's always a laugh when some libturd like you tries to play the military card. Fool.

Well the author nailed it.
While the Republicans brought their house of cards down it was because they started acting like democrats. When Republicans follow a conservative path they win elections. But I have faith. Just watching the liberals step on their collective Johnson is pure delight. One thing history has shown is that neither party has a lock on stupidity. And the only thing dumber than a politician is an uninformed voter.

Replay to Donohue
Dr. Harold Donohue
Location: PA
Reply # 59
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 9:15 AM EST

Billions more for Global Warming which threatens to destroy the planet, billions more to make sure all Americans are entitled to basics from the government such as healthcare, education, housing, and jobs.
----------------------------------------------
Do you not understand what Cap and Trade is? Do you not understand that the billions spent on this theory called global warming will be paid by us, the working folks in the form of higher electric and gas bills?
Please show me where in the constitution that is says that all Americans are entitled to healthcare, education, housing and jobs. These are things that most of us should be able to get on our own. If we are given these things then we will no longer work to get them and then who will pay for them. Yes, I know, the top 1% right. Again you fail to understand that the top 1% already pays between 60 and 70% of all income taxes while the lower 40% pays nothing. But you seem to think it fair to make them pay more so you can pay less. If you think that Obama is going to squeeze more money out of the top 1% then you are either naïve, ignorant or high. And when Obama realizes that he screwed up on that notion then he will begin to screw the middle class with higher taxes.

Unlike you, Donohue, I know the history of this great country and its not the white men are evil version.
Unlike you, I know what it took to make this country great and it was not entitlements, handouts and socialistic programs that do not work.
I will not let you and others like you destroy this great nation because you are too stupid to fully understand what the word freedom means and or too lazy to take care of yourselves. Not without a fight.
Putting a Dr. in front of your name does not make you look smarter Harold, but rather pathetic. If you are a doctor which I find very hard to believe then you should be smart enough to know better.

The last semblance
Insanity is putting it mildly; our nation seems to be in melt down mode. The markets have done nothing but tank since "The One" took office.

Mexico and and any semblance of honest government it ever had is falling to the drug thugs; and our ever so socialist congress wants to blame our gun laws. That is like blaming an obese mans neighbors for his lack of control.

Everywhere I look the world and our nation seems to be one step closer to total chaos. Dear leader is his infinite wisdom decided to give billions to people and corporations that can't manage their ledgers or lifes; and then give billions more as a reward for it.

Common sense and sanity have taken leave of the American people and the foolish,failed desparation of socialism and ineptitude are now the order of the day.

Stock pile water, food, and medicine. Plan an escape from the urban areas. Buy them cheap and bury them deep and stock pile plenty of ammo to go with them. This circus of clowns is taking everything down.

I wonder if this is how the Praetorions felt when the Visigoths marched over the hill to sack the last semblance of a once great empire?

wiseone:
The reason that the Doofass never made Colonel is that his record at the promotion board went into the "Courtney Massengale" pile.

Wade
"Law governs whether an arrest can be made. Our laws don't transcend our boarders. We have no authority to arrest in other countries, nor can we collect our own American citizens with out that government's permission, idiot.

In your orgiginal post, you stated that foreign nationals were abducted under the Amber Alert legislation which was passed in 2003 (passed the senate by a vote of 92-0) . Since you failed to post a link for your source, ( maybe thats beyond your pay grade) I'm going to take your post at face value and call you a liar unless you can prove to me otherwise. That goes for all the other non-sense you've posted today. Speaking of idiots, it's nice to know that you beat us all with experience.

ModMark . . .
YOU stop the moose cr@p...
Have you ever heard of a "consular birth certificate"? This is issued by the U S STATE DEPARTMENT through the U S embassy in the particular country where the newborn U S citizen is born.
As to obama's "birth certificate" his ORIGINAL birth certificate is from KENYA; he is first a KENYAN (muslim) citizen. He may be "naturalized" but this does NOT make him a "native born" American citizen. Thus his qualification to be POTUS is STILL suspect.

Wisdom is never absolute
Like many of our citizens, I have been outraged to see veterans not receive the care they are needing - we can do a whole lot better. Do not close your mind to new methods until you know what they are and most of all, quit with the fear mongering. Listen, educate yourself, do research before making a decision.

"No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly" CNN

"Few if any details about the plan have been available." Washington Post

Don't jump if you can't see where you will land. You can't criticize a plan that is not out there. Rumors and speculation are not ingredients for a solid fact.


Wade some advise
"Listen, educate yourself, do research before making a decision."

"Rumors and speculation are not ingredients for a solid fact.

If thats true, maybe you should try practicing what you preach.


wade
hate to tell you this, but the proposal is that $3+ trillion nightmare called the 2010 Federal Budget.

Speaking of Loans from China ...
I saw a rumor that the United States government was providing collateral if China would continue to buy our worthless bonds to loan us money. Supposedly the government is putting up property in the U.S. as the collateral. Now I've seen it two ways. Way One: They are putting up the homes and businesses of U.S. citizens as collateral without our knowing. Way Two: They are putting up natural resources owned/controlled by the government starting with off-shore oil, which is supposed to explain why the Democrats don't want our oil companies to drill for it. It is reserved for China if we don't pay off the loans.

Has anyone else seen anything on this? Particularly anything that might be more than rumor?

eisenhower's warning
ike once told others that should a president ever get in office that didn't understand the military the country would be burdened with huge expenses as military spending would grow out of control.

It seems that what we have been burdened with the effects of a sock puppet leftie who understand nothing about the economy but is determined to spend to reward all the victim groups that keep the dims in office.

In flap ears hussein, the country is stuck with a clueless leftie who wants to but up every vote from all the losers who support the dim party.

So we see the unions rewarded for buying the dim loyalty of flap ears and congress. The lawyers knowing that the dims will continue to pass laws that keep them employed and exploited the country.

But what happens when flap ears and congress pass laws that force america to join the globull warming scam put forward by alldull.

It seems all flap ears wants to achieve is to push his socialism and destroy the capitalism that grew america while he mortgages the countries future to china.

It seems that the dims and their love of socialism are more than willing to remake america into the failure that europe is today

David in AZ #160
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 2:05 PM EST Replay to Donohue
Dr. Harold Donohue
Location: PA
Reply # 59
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 9:15 AM EST

"Americans are entitled to healthcare, education, housing and jobs. These are things that most of us should be able to get on our own."

Most people can not get these on their own and that is why in a compassionate society we must give what we can. Asking the richest 1% in America to contribute a little more for everyone's benefit is the moral thing to do. I salute Obama.

"If you think that Obama is going to squeeze more money out of the top 1% then you are either naïve, ignorant or high. And when Obama realizes that he screwed up on that notion then he will begin to screw the middle class with higher taxes."

The top 1% enjoyed many years of tax cut benefits (at the expense of the lower and middle classes) from the Bush administration and that must be reversed. The Obama administration has the intestinal fortitude to propse bold and fiscally responsible deficits to confront this injustice.

Obama is the light, and the rock of sanity in a dark, stormy sea of fiscal turmoil.

Regards,
Dr. Harold Donohue
Moosic, PA



tj
"YOU stop the moose cr@p...
Have you ever heard of a "consular birth certificate"? This is issued by the U S STATE DEPARTMENT through the U S embassy in the particular country where the newborn U S citizen is born."

Caribou cr*p!

Well not quite, just wanted to say that.

If born it Germany for example, you do file the necessary paper work with the US Embassy in that country.

The State department will receive the paper work and file it away, I assume in Washington DC.

If you want a copy 20 years from now, you make the request to the State Department in Washington, not the Embassy where it was filed.





Dr. Harold Donohue
Did you have a Guinness to prime the pump for this evening? BTW, isn’t it selfish for you & your countrymen to do all the drinking? You should buy a round for EVERYONE and SPREAD THE WEALTH! LMAO! HIC!

Wade - post @ 12:56pm
One must go beyond just reading the words of the Bible, one must understand it as well.

Would you attempt to live with a rabid animal or put it away?

Dr (?) Harold Donohue
Someone else wrote: "...healthcare, education, housing and jobs. These are things that most of us should be able to get on our own."

You wrote: "Most people can not get these on their own"

Why not? Why are they not able, on their own, to get these things?


A fine St. Patty's Day to you too!
Georgetwin
Location: MD
Reply # 172
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 3:06 PM EST Dr. Harold Donohue

"Dr. Harold Donohue
Did you have a Guinness to prime the pump for this evening? BTW, isn’t it selfish for you & your countrymen to do all the drinking? You should buy a round for EVERYONE and SPREAD THE WEALTH! LMAO! HIC!"

ROTFL!!

Guinness in only the begining. I'll be nicely irrigated with horizontal lubricant soon enough!

LOL!!

"Paraletic" on Beamish Irish Stout, "off me pickle" with Boulevard Irish Ale, "trouser twisted" with Diamond Bear Irish Red, "befuggered" by Finnegans Irish Amber, "toasted" with George Killian's Irish Red, "guttered" with Goose Island Kilgubbin Red Ale, "snatered" by Saint Bridget's Porter, "gatted" in Guinness Pub Draught, "hammered" by Harpoon Hibernian Irish-Style Ale, "mad wey it" by Molings Traditional Red Ale, "monkeyed" by Murphy's Irish Stout, "obliterated" by O'Hara's Irish Stout, "spongelled" by Samuel Adams Irish Red Ale, and "scuttered" by Smithwick's Irish Ale.

Everyday is St. Patty's Day!
I love you all, even you republicans who are wrong on everything, Obama loves you and just wants everyone to be happy, you're pepole too, we're all Americans, it's a great country. I love you man!

HAPPY ST. PATTY'S DAY!
Dr. Harold Donohue
Moosic, PA

Ladies and Gentlemen
Dr. Harold Donohue is joking. He doesn't beleive this, it is satire. He is making fun of Hal Donohue.

Hal Donohue= lefty nutjob
Dr. Hal Donohue= funny satirist.

Husker2 #174
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 3:31 PM EST Dr (?) Harold Donohue
Someone else wrote: "...healthcare, education, housing and jobs. These are things that most of us should be able to get on our own."

You wrote: "Most people can not get these on their own"

"Why not? Why are they not able, on their own, to get these things?"

Many people in our country are too poor, victims of racism, have drinking and drug problems, made bad choices in their lives, had unfortunate occurances happen to them, have drinking problems, or just can not provide for themselves.

We have a wealthy country, it is only a matter of managing that wealth fairly as Obama plans too that will end up benefiting all. My glass is held up to you Mr. Obama President, you're a great man.

God Bless Us All on this St. Patty's Day.
Dr. Harold Donohue
Moosic, PA

Too Late & Too Damn Bad.

RE: Democrats Insanity on AIG Bonuses

Tim Geithner, according to the NY Slimes, created the AIG bailout last fall. He knew about the retention bonuses and the date when the contracts would trigger the payments. Secondly, Chris Dodd added an amendment to the Stimulus bill that exempted all bonuses for employees, who work for companies that received TARP funds. Congress knew about it.

If Obama, Reid, Dodd, Frank, et al, think that they can create a new tax that would retroactively tax only the AIG bonuses, they had better get ready for a constitutional battle.

SCOTUS has previously ruled that such cannot be done. First, any ex post facto laws, which are formulated, enacted, or operating retroactively are prohibited. In U.S. Constitutional Law, the definition of what is ex post facto is more limited. The first definition of what exactly constitutes an ex post facto law is found in Calder v Bull (3 US 386 [1798]). Secondly, such an action by Congress would be a bill of attainder. In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment).

Finally, Connecticut, where the cases would be tried, has punitive damages and would allow for the employees to get double the amount of the bonuses in damages.

Baradiel in AZ:
Reply # 176

"Hal Donohue.........Lefty nutjob?"

LOL!!

If I wasn't so steampigged right noe I believe I've been insluted.

ROTFL!!

Dr. H. Donohue
Moosic, PA



For wade
""No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly" CNN

"Few if any details about the plan have been available." Washington Post"

The only thing more laughable than a libturd like you trying to play the military card is to watch you spin and twist when someone calls "bullsh*t" on you.

From the Politico (hardly a right-wing source).

"WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.



Dr. Harold Donohue says
"I love you man!"

Dr. Harold Donohue, you ARE NOT getting my Bud Light! LMAO! HIC!

Wow Hawkins
You learn very very slowly, don't you. It appears that you are still in the Greed is Good
stage of American Life. You know, that stage
which has brought us to our knees.

Your first few items in this topsy turvy world
thing are big so whats in comparison to the
have to be addressed yesterday items that we
should be talking about.

But the one that caught my eye in particular
was this Demonizing Success and Rewarding
Failure item. "If you lose your job, we will incentivize you not to get back to work with unemployment insurance." Are you really that
dumb?

1) Losing your job is failure. Hey everybody
out there who has recently lost your job, may
lose your job soon, or are afraid it is
about to happen. YOU ARE A GREAT BIG FAILURE.
Not your boss, not the economy. It is YOU.
YOU ARE THE GREAT BIG FAILURE.

2) Remember those little unemployment insurances taxes that were taken out of your
paycheck. That was I AM A FAILURE insurance.
Use it and you are a jerk. You are admitting
that you are a failure. You should walk the
streets, sell your body, scrounge from trash
cans, rob banks - anything but use the insurance that you bought, because if you do,
YOU ARE ADMITTING YOU ARE A FAILURE.


Dr. Heartguards' Exercise Program

LMAO - Exercise for the arse.

ROTFLMAO - Exercise for love handles.

LOL - Exercise for jowls.


Hey, D.! Don't sweat it!

Denise
I am SO glad you have been posting at TH. It's always good to have a poster who relies on facts amd knowledge of the Constitution.

Question: Do you think the general public knows what a "retention bonus" is?

How do you think their attitude toward the execs who got these retention bonuses would be affected if they knew that (1) the bonuses were EARNED by performances that improved AIG's bottom line during tough financial times and (2) a retention bonus goes to someone who is losing his job soon and is issued as an incentive to have him stay until it is convenient for the company for him to leave instead of leaving as soon as he finds out he's on the layoff list?

The inmates are truly running the asylum
I agree with this article. I've always said I'll know we've returned to normal when healthy people are not forced to work next to people who have a highly infectious, mostly untreatable, completely incurable disease.
It's not my job to figure out what to do with people this sick, it is my job to point out the insanity of infecting an entire healthy population in the name of something stupid like political correctness.
This is just another part of the current insanity that must be dealt with realistically and truthfully, and in the process, some people may not like what they hear and what they have to do, or will not be permitted to do.Meanwhile,
Obama double-crosses our vets - this government wants to take over the health care system but the health care system it is currently in charge of - the VA - it wants to get rid of.
Obama lies (all legislation on a website for 4 days before it's voted on) the truth - no one even read the stimulus bill,not even on the web.
Obama’s hypocrisy (I inherited Bush’s problems) the truth-he campaigned like a fiend to get those problems, he went after them with a vengeance and now that he’s got them, he continues to blame his incompetence on Bush.
Totally insane...I'm watching these people self-destruct, like most insane people do. The sane observers will bury the dead, pick up the pieces, and make this nation what it once was before the insanity of liberal ignorance fooled the fools.

Georgetwin #181
Date: Mar 17, 2009 - 4:18 PM EST Dr. Harold Donohue says
"I love you man!"

"Dr. Harold Donohue, you ARE NOT getting my Bud Light! LMAO! HIC!"

Ugggh, Bud Light? That beer is good for producing sidewalk pizza and not much else.

Come up to Moosic and I'll treat you to some rounds of Kilkenny Cream Ale!

HIC!!

Dr. Harold Donohue
Moosic, PA

Denise,
If ever there was someone who could convince me with their persuasive, eloquent, and piercing editorial comments to become a conservative it would be you.

As my dear departed Irish Mother would say, "beagan agus a ra go maith".

Say little but say it well.

Cheers!

;-)

Dr. Harold L.R. Donohue
Moosic, PA

LIBERALISM = The new normal (Insanity)
enough said.

Excellent article as usual--
Hawkins lists the problems and most of the conservatives see it clearly. I believe that one post said it correctly that the US is now an oligarchy. I agree and I believe that they are just some of the "puppet masters" that control our politicians and many lobbyists.
Some day soon perhaps the sheep will wake up before they are totally sold out and join the ranks of us conservatives against the likes of P-lousy, the prune hary reid, the lack of immigration enforcement brought on by peso george and barry the puppet. But hey, maybe not. China will own us with the help of our worthless politicians.

John Hawkins
Loved This!

I can always count on you to be clear, concise, articulate and completely reasonable.

You make more sense than 95 percent of the writers out there.

Keep up the good work1

WISEONE MI

.....My son, was confused about who to believe between the news and the politicians, I told him if he started with the premise that 90% of everything that is wrong in this country (education, taxes, health care etc) to just blame the Federal Government as the root cause ...if he did that he would be right the majority of the time without having to know the facts ...

.....Politicians, Democrats in particular, bank on the apathy and ignorance of the man on the street to get away with their shenanigans ...Clinton was a master at that game ....when politicians can void at will legally drawn up contracts and use class warfare populism to get the public on their side then we are entering a very dark phase of totalitarianism ...stock up on groceries and ammo ...better to die on your feet as a free man than to live on your knees as a slave .....COLOSSUS

You missed the biggest one!
Undoubtedly, the most significant "through the looking glass" issue today is that people who are desperately fighting to preserve the definition of MARRIAGE as a bond of one and one woman are now considered HATERS. Fascist activists are lauded and supported by politicians, media and academia alike when they threaten any citizens who promote the upholding of the laws of God, man and nature itself.

I'm sorry I bit!
I had Dr. Donohue confused with Hal Donahue.

I have been a reader here long enough to know better.

Agreed, except for...
...the part about losing your job. Losing your job doesn't necessarily mean you are a failure, unless you were a complete incompetent and got fired because of it. Lots of hard-working Americans are losing their jobs through no real fault of their own, and they want nothing more than to get another one.

Additionally, I see nothing wrong with the concept of unemployment insurance, which can help keep a family afloat until the breadwinner finds another job. How is that any different that homeowner's insurance, which covers your home and belongings in the case of fire or some other destructive force? Anyhow, we pay for that insurance from our own tax dollars, so we have a right to use it, if necessary.

A situation like the one above is quite different from that of a lazy person who does little to improve his/her own circumstances but lives off the sweat of the taxpayer. To compare the two seems grossly unfair.

interesting analysis
Hawkins is at his best when he is pointing out the flaws of Reagan. After all he set us on the path to perpetual deficits during healthy economic times. If one is not going to spend down deficits when times are good, it is silly to think one will do it when they are bad.

And then he tags him for his immigration amnesty as well. Hawkins must really hate Reagan.

Others of his points though don't make a lot of success. Are there really a lot of people out there that would rather halve their income while unemployed rather than pursuing a successful career? Only in the minds of the insane, not in reality.

And the scientists who see people confidently spouting nonsense about global warming and point out that the arguments are unscientific, are not the ones who are insane. The people who don't have any understanding of science but are convinced that they understand science better than the scientists would seem to have a better claim to the crazy title.

And in defense of Reagan a bit, immigration is a difficult issue. Americans benefit from cheap prices due to illegal immigrants. Most Americans have sympathy for the idea of families torn apart in raids. (Albeit probably not those who are envious of the unemployed while saving their sympathy for the poor rich people).

welfare
hawkins goes on and on about welfare for americans but says nothing about the welfare being paid to the sunni's. thats why the "surge" worked. we started paying them not to shoot at us. are they on a limit too. 2 years? 5 years? forever?

Great article
To add to Denise's thread. Who did AIG give the most money to.........Chris Dodd. How convenient for him to help out his campaign supporters. Who got the second most from AIG?.....B.O.

The world is upside down right now. There are too many people w/out common sense. B.O. is coming to Orange County and the nuts out here are waiting in line to see the wonderous one. The one that is destroying our country.

Is someone spiking our water with lead? I could swear that 52% of the population has lead poisoning. What else could explain it?

Wead W'em Wand Weep, Wobbie!

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 41% said they would vote for their district’s Republican candidate while 39% would choose the Democrat.

Investors now favor Republicans by a 46% to 36% margin, while non-investors would vote Democratic by a 45% to 33% margin…

Over the past year, Democratic support has ranged from a low of 39% to a high of 50%. In that same time period, Republicans have been preferred by 34% to 41% of voters nationwide.

Pols' Crocodile Tears - I

Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are - Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000123

The A.I.G. Financial Products affiliate of A.I.G. gave out $136,928, the most of any AIG affiliate, in the 2008 cycle. I would note that A.I.G.’s financial products division is the unit that wrote trillions of dollars’ worth of credit-default swaps and “misjudged” the risk.

The Washington Post reports a “mob effect” at A.I.G financial products division:

A tidal wave of public outrage over bonus payments swamped American International Group yesterday. Hired guards stood watch outside the suburban Connecticut offices of AIG Financial Products, the division whose exotic derivatives brought the insurance giant to the brink of collapse last year. Inside, death threats and angry letters flooded e-mail inboxes. Irate callers lit up the phone lines. Senior managers submitted their resignations. Some employees didn’t show up at all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/0 3/16/AR2009031602961.html

And, Obama had better damn well be careful because he is going to incite some insane person that may murder or harm an AIG employee or a member of his/her family.

Pols' Crocodile Tears - II

With the anger and rage that is being exhibited against A.I.G., perhaps the bonuses Obama received from A.I.G. explain Obama’s A.I.G crocodile tears.

http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics-Examiner~ y2009m3d17-Obamas-AIG-crocodile-tears

Now that the Wall street Journal has revealed that A.I.G. paid bonuses of $1 million or more to 73 employees, it’s time to ask if recipients of A.I.G. “bonuses,” including President Obama, will give back what now ought to be taxpayer money?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123730459869257121.html?mod =djemalertNEWS

Somebody's smoking loco weed!!!
And so far that's TX Gal and Desert Dweller. Give it a rest or return to your own planet will you?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Oh, The Insanity!
17 March 2009. By Ira Iosebashvili / The Moscow Times. The Kremlin published its priorities Monday for an upcoming meeting of the G20, calling for the creation of a supranational reserve currency to be issued by international institutions as part of a reform of the global financial system.

The International Monetary Fund should investigate the possible creation of a new reserve currency, widening the list of reserve currencies or using its already existing Special Drawing Rights, or SDRs, as a "superreserve currency accepted by the whole of the international community," the Kremlin said in a statement issued on its web site.

The SDR is an international reserve asset, created by the IMF in 1969 to supplement the existing official reserves of member countries.

The Kremlin has persistently criticized the dollar's status as the dominant global reserve currency and has lowered its own dollar holdings in the last few years. Both President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin have repeatedly called for the ruble to be used as a regional reserve currency, although the idea has received little support outside of Russia.

The suggestions received a lukewarm response from Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Saturday.

Nazarbayev's proposal did, however, garner support from at least one prominent source -- Columbia University professor Robert Mundell, who was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1999 for his role in creating the euro.

Speaking at the same conference with Nazarbayev, he said the idea had "great promise."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/600/42/375364.htm

You forgot
Yuri Bezmenov.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=047_1181753664

Insanity Now Consider "Normal"
Excellent article and illegal immigration is my biggest concern.
: People, this issue is on par with our economic woes...and contributes to it as well. Get off your collective rears and light a fire under your lethargic law makers and INSIST on iron clad resolution to this no-brainer problem. Secure the borders first, NO AMNESTY, and E-Verify will go a long way in resolving this mess.
The borders should have been sealed within one year of 911 and, if necessary, use the military to secure the borders rather than send them on a “mission impossible” situation in the armpit of the world. The way ahead is to belatedly vigorously enforce the laws that were on the books 15 years ago. It’s ugly but necessary if we are going to get our country back. The alternative is a slow hemorrhaging of everything we hold dear.
In AZ, Sheriff Arpaio is our saving grace; illegal alien crime is down and they are getting the message by getting out of Dodge and taking their illegal drug trade, gun running, fabricated ID, baby-making, job stealing, social services parasitic ways with them!


Random Rants
I'm glad to see I'm not alone. For a long time now I've felt like Charlton Heston in the movie Planet of the Apes, particularly the scene in which he temporarily escapes but is snared in a net and hoisted above the crowd. It was at this point that he screamed, "This is a madhouse! A Maaaaaddddhouse!!"

I find myself now rooting for the villian in TV shows and movies that battle with government authorities. I also understand better how many people in the Great Depression sympathisized with some of the famous outlaws of that time who robbed banks. They were the Chuck Schumers and Chris Dodds, the oppressors of the day who screwed with the people.

True, it's not right. But it feels that way.

Lastly, it would tickle me to no end to see one of the AIG bonus recipients make a Youtube video, holding his check and deposit slips, mocking Schumer and our other criminal senators threatening private citizens with the IRS and other Federal Einzatgruppen. Such hollow threats from little men, all to impress the stupid masses of Obama supporters who breath throught their mouths and drool. Morons.

Hip Hip Hooray for the AIG Execs!!!

Liberation is here, viva Obama!
According to the Black Liberation theologian in the whitehouse, these points you raise are just distortions. Why?
1. Illegal immigration is a term used by 'whitey' who does not want to see this country embrace 'brown' people. Obama will increase the quotas for legal immigration for people relocating from Africa, Asia and S. America while legalizing the current illegals. How is his aunt's case going?

2. Allowing illegal aliens to enjoy the benefits of the bail out is not 'illegal', it is justice. Social justice means rewarding 'poor people' who have been historically left out of the 'white privileged' environment and taxing 'whitey' who has held executive positions in AIG and is now expecting his or her contract to be honored. Tax AIG bonuses with a 'special tax code' but give illegal aliens jobs. That is what Obama meant when he said 'it's our time now'.

3. Understanding the mortgage payment 'scheme'. White people are normally given a downpayment by their rich/middle class parents to pay for homes they would not otherwise afford. These subsidies have made it difficult for minorities to live in certain neighborhoods because unlike their white counterparts their parents were not given the opportunities to earn a descent wage/income in the past making it difficult for them to subsidize their kids. THIS INEQUALITY JUSTIFIES THE PAYMENT OF MORTGAGES FOR MANY MINORITIES WHO CAN'T AFFORD A HOME WITHOUT OBAMA ASSISTANCE.

Once you understand the Black Liberation Theology ideas and how the are influencing Obama then you will know - insanity is color coded and it is not that insane in the 'other side' of the street.

Dr. Harold Donohue - self medicating?
or are you part of the education crowd that gave us this mess. You know, the experts?
1. Responsible borrowing means, one has an idea how he or she will pay for the debt. So far, obama has neither addressed how we will pay for the 3.3 trillion he is borrowing nor has he addressed the issue of cutting the defecit in general. What he has said is - spending is the ONLY way to jam start our economy. HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THIS DEBT?

2. Only the top 1% will feel the tax hike??? The top 1% offers goods and services. When their tax bill increases, they will need to increase the cost of goods and services to meet profit margins. Profit margins are what a company must do to keep afloat. The higher cost of goods and services will affect the 99% who are already struggling to make ends meet.

Simply put. The rich can afford Obama's insanity when it comes to spending/taxing. The middle class can't afford Obama. How long before they figure it out?

Your are the doctor and you can't connect simple dots. Who gave you that accreditation? Get your money back please.

CALLING ALL PATRIOTS
Yesterday I sent - vis certified / registered mail - a copy of Dr. Orly Taitz's law suit demanding that a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate Obama's BC issue as well as the many illegal and criminal activiites engaged in by his thug supporters.

Today I called the Office of the Attorney Genreal - Eric Holder - and left a voice message demanding the appointment of a special prosecutor.

Am I a little scared? Yes. Why? Because Obaman and his minions are ruthless thugs who kill fetuses, harvest brain-cell stems from fetuses, attack private citizens like Joe the Plumber and Rush Limbaugh to name just two... and they LIE.

But the above reasons - among others - is why I want to take on Obama ...

I do not want to live in a nation where the POTUS - especially a fake one - can declare open hunting season on American citizens any time for any reason.

I beleive Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States, and is therefore NOT qualified to be POTUS - he is a usurper and an imposter.

If you would like to get in the fight to Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constittion of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic ...

Then go to Dr. Orly Taitz's website ...

http://defendourfreedoms.us/

and click on the following link in the upper right hand corner under HOT TOPICS:

"Dossier of Suspected Criminal Activity and a Demand to Appoint a Special Prosecutor"

The time to fight is NOW ... Tomorrow may be too late.

SEMPER FI

Here is a great book to read if......
you believe things can't get any worse.

Author: Taylor Caldwell
Title : Devil's Advocate

It is the story of an America gone awry, how awful it is, and what has to be done to get it back.

And it was written in 1952.

All of Taylor Caldwell's books are like this. Captains and Kings is good. Ceremony of Innocence goes through the period of American history during the Federal Reserve Act.

It is all historical fiction, but for Ms. Caldwell to portend the plight of America almost 60 years later is awesome.

The New Abnormal
Tea Parties? Too tame. Let's not forget the last resort: In my book the primary reason for the second amendment is for the people to collectively counter the tyranny of government, then it's personal protection, and finally hunting if necessary. Patriots and warriors, it’s time to unite!

P.S.: Standby for major assaults on gun ownership; the only thing standing between a B.O. Thugocracy and freedom.

Pamela:
My two favorite Caldwell books are "A Pillar of Iron" and "Dear and Glorious Physician." Both show how the USA and Ancient Rome are comparable in some historic ways.

ExRCSDDeputy....
Those happen to be two of her books I have not read yet, although I have collected all her books.

Having taught Latin a few years back, I know of what you speak. It is a sad commentary to talk about how the Roman Empire and America are parallel, isn't it?......even though we are not there yet. Perhaps a gigantic awakening of the people?

Yeh Insanity!
Yes, we are all nuts.
Like a magician fooling a child with the coin from the ear trick, The White House decides to distract us with farcical nonsense of a caliber comparatively inconsequential.
As the American family nest egg has been reduced by Trillions (with a T) and the debt passed on to our kids has been increased by Trillions (also with a T).
This administration has decided to orchestrate a hissy fit over millions (with an M not T or even a B) bonuses paid to what are in essence government employees that they oversee.
Not only have the major networks latched on, but most folks I know are similarly outraged.
Big AIG Bonuses are certainly inappropriate right now, but the smoothness with which Carville and company have scripted this and trained the trainable to spew spit like a Pavlov dog is truly impressive.
What will be the next distraction?
Will we stare at a mosquito as a Kenworth runs us over.

O
If you think Tea Parties are too tame, what is your solution/idea?

TX Gal....
Because you asked...I served during DESSERT STORM. The first gulf war. My uncle served in Vietnam in the Marines, My father in Korea in the US NAVY, my grandfather in WWII with the BIG RED ! and received among others 2 purple hearts, a bronze star and silver star with clusters as well as C.M.H., my great grandfather served during WWI. If you would like to know about the previous century I can go on.

Now for the poster who questioned my patriotism or that of people who serve, perhaps if your family knew how to sacrifice for your country and beliefs you would understand that even though they go in as gang bangers, most receive the discipline to change if they make it through the first couple of years. If they don't change their ways, they don't usually make it.

Faith in Science
Hasn't anybody noticed that the same crowd that gives us this incessant global warming drumbeat gave us evolution which sets us up to be ultimately unaccountable for anything? We then see license redefined as liberty, lust as love, and many many vices as virtues. These are the things that truly subvert our once proud nation. Consider this quote by Francis Bacon: "A man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true."
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