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Sunday, November 02, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Barack Obama And The Economics Of Sesame Street
by Austin Hill
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Forget Wall Street. And forget Main Street. The economic considerations in both those places - - fraught with all that crazy obsessing over start-up capital, balance sheets, budget projections, profit and loss statements, and so forth - - that’s just all too complicated.

So let’s not even try to think about those things. And while we’re not thinking, let’s usher-in a new President who can shelter us from the harsh considerations of risk and reward, market competition, investment and planning, and all the rest. Let’s elect a President who has distilled economic realities into simple juxtapositions that even a kid can understand- - things like “fairness” versus “unfairness,” and “selfishness” versus “neighborliness.”

That’s right, it’s time for President Obama and the economics of Sesame Street.

Does that sound harsh? Well, consider this: while most Americans find it distasteful, if not blasphemous, to single-out a minority group for undue maligning and punishment, Senator Obama has made “profiling” of a “minority group” a normative thing. We’re not talking here about a racial or cultural or sexual minority. We’re talking about a socioeconomic minority - - the more economically productive people in our society, or, to put in Obama-speak, the group he vaguely defines as “rich people” - - and punishing this minority group is, by his definition, “fair” and “neighborly.”

It’s true. When Senator Obama was interviewed by Bill O’Rielly at the Fox Newschannel in September of this year, O’Rielly began the segment on taxation policy by saying to the Senator “you’re a big ‘tax the rich’ guy, aren’t ya?” Near the end of the discussion, Obama asserted that it is a matter of “neighborliness” to take ever-increasing levels of cash from the nation’s highest income earners, and give it to lower income earners.

And let me be clear: this is not what I envision for my neighborhood, or my country. But for the very multi-cultural, Mister “I-grew-up-in-Indonesia-and-I’ve-seen-how-terrible-America-is-from-the-other-side” Barack Obama, this is the way things ought to be.

Days after the O’Rielly interview, Obama’s running mate Senator Joe Biden made the redistributionist economics even more easily understood. “We want to take money” Biden told a host at ABC-TV’s “Good Morning America” (with no reference to whose money he wants to ‘take” or how the money is earned), “and put it in the pockets of the middle class.” He quickly followed up that explanation by insisting that the plan was “patriotic,” and was all about “fairness.”

And now after roughly three weeks of McCain and Palin questioning the wisdom of Obama’s redistributionist economic plans (and just when you thought he could not possibly get more “audacious”), we saw Obama introduce another emotive, Sesame Street-friendly term into the big economic debate last Friday. McCain and Palin, according to the Senator, have made a virtue out of “selfishness.” That’s right, those of us who want to retain most of our hard-earned revenues - - those of us who think that we can manage our money to better ends than government agencies can - - we are “selfish.” If only we would practice our “neighborliness” a bit more often…

It’s sad that economics - - a subject that is dry and boring and academic to some, yet it is essential to our very essence as human beings - - has been so horribly trivialized and reduced down to a few simple, emotive categories. And yet the campaign is working phenomenally well. I hear from the “Obama Automatons” on a regular basis, when they call in to my talk show at Washington, DC’s 630 WMAL radio.

Just last Friday I took a call from a gentleman who, with campaign talking points in hand, insisted to me that there is no need for concern about Obama’s economic plans - - he just wants to change course from the “disastrous policies” of the Bush years and return America to the economic prosperity of the Clinton era.

“Oh really,” I said to him, “what was the capital gains tax rate while Bill Clinton was President?”

“I don’t know” the caller replied.

“And what is Mr. Obama proposing for a capital gains tax rate?” I asked.

“I‘m not sure,” he said, “I’m not an expert.”

“I understand” I said to the man. “You’re just reading the campaign talking points and you weren’t expecting any questions from me…”

“I am not just reading talking points” the man shouted angrily. “I work in Obama’s campaign as a volunteer.”

“And yet you still have no idea what you’re talking about with Obama’s economic proposals - - that‘s very interesting” I replied, as I thanked him for his call and moved on.

I suspect there are millions of Americans who have absolutely no comprehension of the substance of Obama’s proposals, yet they have worked for, and will vote for “Hope” and “Change.”

I hope they’re able to enjoy their Sesame Street economic fantasy while it lasts.

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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foxfire22
Thanks very much.

I guess my question to those so-called evangelicals, is what do they have to spread and why bother if it isn't the inerrant truth?

Rich

Ernest T says; Wake Up America
Have you heard the story about Barack Obama and Joe the plumber?

Obama had a leak and called Joe to come look at it.
Joe told him that the leak would cost $12,000 to fix.
Obama said; that’s ridiculous. Why so much.
Joe said that due to changes in the economy and changes in the cost of doing business, it had become necessary to change price structuring.
Obama said that he would get back to him.
The leak got progressively worse.
Obama called Joe back. Joe took a look at the leak and told Obama that the leak would cost $50,000 to fix.
Obama said; you told me $12,000.
Joe said; that was before the leak got worse. Joe said that many home owners had started fixing there own leaks since prices were so high and plumbers were loosing money so they had to raise there prices.

Obama has people fooled into thinking that his tax plan isn’t going to affect anyone but the rich.

Ernest T Pitts says; wake up America.

Empathy
Doctor please explain how one feeds their family with empathy? How does one put a roof over their head with empathy? Liberals understand the plight of the downtrodden, they do nothing to help, but they understand. You should read a book called "Who Really Cares", by Arthur Brooks. Conservatives are more charitable, with money, food, even their own blood, than liberals. But you understand, right Doctor? Liberal imbeciles are the ones that have destroyed this country, you hold no one accountable for their own actions, or the plight that they may encounter. The cold harsh reality, is there is no guarantee that life will be fair or perfect. No where in the Constitution does it say that. But idiots like you believe in Utopia. It doesn't exist, and depriving one person of the vacation they earned to give it to someone else who did nothing for it, is not Utopia. If you feel for these people then you make the personal and financial sacrifice, don't tell everyone else they have too.

It's the same as killing everyone in the lifeboat, because the one person who was not strong enough (or too weak)to get into the boat shouldn't have to drown alone according to morons like you. How about you save the ones you can and sometimes sadly you let some of the weakers ones go.

In this country you have opportunity, some people work hard labor, some people do art, and so on and so forth, go out and get what you can.

With all of the programs we have in this country to better your self, if you aren't even willing to try, then tough luck.

I am currently a college student with assistance from public works, and I will be graduating MagnaCum Laude, this December, in Nursing. So I have done it, I am going to be able to pay more in taxes, but I will also, be able to better afford and pay off debt that I created. I am not asking the government to do that.

bankrupt coal
Hidden Audio: Obama Says He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry Listen to what he said, not what the spinners on TV say.

You can google the audio with the phase, “teleprompter Obama says he will bankrupt coal industry”.
Or you can click on the link-http://www.teleprompterobama.com/2008/11/hidden-audio-ob.html

Please contact your friends by emailing them the above information.



Rich D
Rich, did you know that according to an article that appeared on TH that only 4% of evangelicals believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. Most non believers believe that it’s a fabrication of man.

You are making great points with the relevance of the verses that you quoted, having been written 600BC.

I for one believe in the inerrant, verbally inspirited Word of God.
Sometimes people on TH love to mock Christians, especially fundamentalists.

Sometimes I get drawn into discussions and say things that I regret later. It usually happens when confronting antagonists like Al, Bas, ldopas, and Dr Douglas.

I always enjoy reading your posts. You’re good at handling the facts.

Keep up the good work.


Thanks for the Sesame Street insight.
Obama's campaign has been very insulting to the intelligence of discerning people for two years now. And frustrating to see how many people have no discernment and eat it up.

Economics 101.....
"During this political season let's be reminded of these wise words. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."

Abraham Lincoln

Dr Douglas
No evidence?

How about history, Doctor?

You are an uninformed ignoramus.

An informed populace
The reason the 'Sesame Street' childlike language works with liberal Democrats is because that is the level of their intellect.

The scary part is that there are that many dull, uninformed simpletons who are actually eligible to vote, and that they have been so easily led by this man and his sophistry.

Our Founders warned that only an informed populace would allow our Republic to survive.
Obama owes the success of his entire campaign and candidacy to the uninformed element in our society. And for that, we can thank our liberal, lapdog media, and the millions of leftist zombies churned out by colleges across America. If the populace was informed, Obama never would've made it past the nominating process. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if the populace WERE informed, liberalism would be on the scrap heap of history where it belongs.

Obama talks in simplistic platitudes at a grade school level because that is the only level that most Democrats are able to grasp.

Bas: Pretending to be for Barr?
Bas: “Me? I'm voting for Bob Barr, and won't feel all that bad if Obama wins because your Republican party deserves a solid spanking and perhaps 10 years in the wilderness.”

You’re like one of those cartoon characters who sets explosives to demolish their enemies, only to realize at the last second that they’re on the same boat.

Bas: “First, rolling back the top bracket marginal rate to pre-Bush years is not even remotely "socialism".

And how do you think socialism begins? Each time government confiscates a greater portion of our earnings to dole out to others as it sees fit represents another step towards socialism. If you don’t understand this then you have no clue what socialism is. Nearly every left-wing president has tried to take us in that direction. Reagan and Bush had the good sense to pull us back in the right direction.

Bas: “I don't think burdening our grandchildren with ever increasing financial debt in order to selfishly party beyond our means is condonable.”

Personal responsibility is the first tenet of conservatism – it is the principle that conservatism is founded upon. The true conservatives (few that there are) are not the ones bloating the budget with wasteful spending and entitlements that cause the national debt to explode. That’s done by democrats and by republicans masquerading as conservatives.

Bas: “…the US economy has the most income inequality of all industrialized countries, and its income inequality is the most extreme since pre-Great Depression.”

Socialists are fixated on ‘income inequality’ to the point that they lose common sense. Better that everyone be generally poorer – but equal – then that some are poor while others are rich. They seem not to notice that it’s the taxes paid by the wealthy that pays for entitlements, infrastructure and national defense.

More Hill, less Will plz.
Good read - thoroughly enjoyed it.

Wake up call.
http://usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

AliveInHim
God bless you.

If it is indeed "hateful" and "moronic" to cause them to stumble over facts, I plead guilty. (Matt. 5:11)

And see Matt. 6:1-4. Not only do the officials trumpet how much they do for the supposed poor, they do it someone else's money.

Obama is endorsed by
Conservative leaning ECONOMIST.

1) The Economist is no more conservative than is George Will.

2) The Economist is not who/what gets to choose who is elected POTUS. Just because other nations want us to run our country as they do theirs does not mean we should do it. That kind of reasoning sounds just like a teenager whining that they should be able to do something because "all the other kids do it." Remember the answer your parents gave you (if you were lucky) when you tried that line?

Obama is the rookie,
drafted, and now promising to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl in his first season. It just doesn't happen!

Obama supporters are going to be disappointed if he wins and things don't "change" overnight.

Instant gratification is what Obama is promising with his hope and change blather. Obama supporters will quickly come down to Earth either tomorrow night when he loses or in the first few months of his administration. When his appeal to "change" takes longer or costs more than anyone predicted. Obama will look like the fool for promising that free lunch so many Obamatrons expect from their government.

Do not listen to the words of the
prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; they speak a vision of their own imagination, not from the mouth of the LORD. (Jer, 23:16)

As a partridge that hatches eggs which
it has not laid, is he who makes a fortune, but unjustly; in the midst of his days it will forsake him, and in his end he will be a fool (nabal). (Jer. 17:11)

You can read about Nabal (Strong's Heb. #5036, wicked, vile person) in 1 Samuel 25. This is the same Hebrew word used in Ps. 14:1 - "The fool (nabal) has said in his heart, "There is no God." It is pronounced naw-BAWL.

The five Hebrew words unfortunately all translated as the single English word 'fool' are moral, not intellectual (mental capacity, as in stupid) terms.

When the leaders fail to lead, the
nation suffers:

For from the least of them even to the greatest of them, everyone is greedy for gain, and from the prophet and the priest everyone deals falsely. And they have healed the brokenness of My people suprerficially, saying 'Peace, peace,' but there is no peace. (Jer. 6:13,14)

It's so simple - - -
NO NATION HAS EVER TAXED ITSELF INTO PROSPERITY.

Period. This socialist clown is bad -- his very dumb (opportunistic?) supporters are much worse. The recently released (August, ’08) details of Barack Obama's tax plan, published on his campaign website, along with an article by his top economic advisers in the Wall Street Journal, confirm that Obama makes Walter Mondale look like a moderate. For Obama pledges not just to raise taxes - - he proposes to raise every major federal tax. The recently released details confirm that:
* Obama would raise individual income taxes, increasing the top two income tax rates, with the top rate climbing by 13%, to almost 40%. This tax increase particularly hits small business, which creates the most new jobs in America. And there are so many other proposed tax increases. Obama tries to argue, crassly, that these tax increases would fall only on "the rich." Hardly! The tax increasers always start by saying that; it’s simple “Class Warfare.” The big trick behind the Obama tax plan is that his refundable tax credits would primarily go precisely to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. You might say it’s akin to “Bribing the Electorate?”
Face it, the bottom 40% of income earners already pay no federal income taxes. Not only that, but, indeed, they receive a net payment from the federal income tax system. They are government spending programs which should be called The New Tax Welfare.

Be warned
Hear this, Oh foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not; who have ears, but hear not....But this people has a stubborn and rebellious heart...They do not say in their heart, "Let us now fear the LORD our God."

For wicked men are found amoung My people...they set a trap to catch men like a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit; therfore thay have become great and rich. They are fat, they are sleek, they also excell in deeds of wickedness...'Shall I not punish these people, declares the LORD, on a nation such as this, shall I not avenge myself?'

An appalling thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule on their own authority; and My people love it so!

But what will you do at the end of it?

(Jeremiah Ch. 5:21-31 excerpts)

TAXES, TAXES, TAXES....
I am SO tired of hearing about taxes and all the misinformation being spread around.

There is only one tax plan that will really lift this country out of the doldrums and into real prosperity.

It's known as THE FAIR TAX.

If you are not familiar with it, research it and get educated.

http://www.fairtax.org




IGNORE "ToddyL" TROLL
.
...possibly just another in the the latest of Obama's/Axelrod's paid Disinformation posters...

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/confession-of-an-o bama-blogger-by-sarah-p-as-posted-to-this-site/

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+++++ VOTE McCAIN TOMORROW!!! +++++
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Obama's Tax Cuts to the Rich!
Here is what Obama said to Joe the Plumber before Obama would walk away:

"One other thing I didn't mention, for small business people, I'm going to eliminate the capital gains taxes. So what it means is if your business succeeds, and let's say you take it from a $250,000 business to a $500,000 business, that capital gains you get, we're not going to tax you on it, because I want you to grow more. So you're actually gonna get some...you may end up, I'd have to look at your particular business, but you might end up paying lower taxes under my plan and my approach than under John McCain's plan. I can't guarantee that because I'd have to take a look a it. Alright? Thanks for your...thanks for the question though, I appreciate it."

Remeber,this is what Obama said to Joe after he just was explaining why he must tax people making over $250k a year.

Do the math...

Is Obama going to tax the rich or is Obama going to give the rich a tax break?

What's the truth?

Read and watch the link to the video of all that Obama said to Joe the Plumber here: http://toddy.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/01/obama_endorses_se lfishness.thtml

This might explain why the race is tightening, his supporters might have got wind he has this capital gains elimination plan for those making more than 250k going on at the same time, if we take his word for it.

Bottom Up?
Obama's "growing the economy from the bottom up" plan is like expecting the carrots to till the garden.

RichD
Your posts have made my insomnia tonight worthwhile. Dr Doug could only call you names in the end.

Interesting how those who promote "spreading the wealth" are often the most miserly.

Keep it up! :)


Obama's other tax plan
It's the economy, stupid worked once. It won't work again. It's old. Besides Obama has a bill to give away over 800 billion to the UN to help eliminate global poverty by taxing carbon emissions...read that gasoline...so what is all the hype about his economic plan anyway?

Here’s his press release:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/
Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.'s "Millennium Project," says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.'s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the "Millennium Development Goals," this amounts to $845 billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs has written, is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/un_monitor/in_our_op inion/global_taxes.htm

Bush Tax Revenue Growth
Actually the tax revenue growth was 35% between 2003 and 2006
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/81xx/doc8116/05-18-TaxRevenues.p df
Federal revenue grew 625 billion or 35% from 2003 to 2006
The corporate tax revenue grew to it's highest level since 1978. Course the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006...so I won't comment on the following years. The reason for the debt increase is obvious...9/11, Katrina, which wiped out a whole city to say the least of the billions of dollars of damage, a war to remove a mass murderer, tsunami relief...etc. But bottom line our country has remained safe from terrorists...so what's the squawk about the Bush years?

Obama's contradiction
Obama's statement:

"The point is, though, that—and IT'S NOT JUST CHARITY, it's not just that I want to help the middle class and working people who are trying to get in the middle class—it's that when we actually make sure that everybody's got a shot...then guess what? Everybody starts spending that money, they decide maybe *I* can afford a new car, maybe *I* can afford a computer for my child. They can buy the products and services that businesses are selling and everybody is better off. All boats rise...

"John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this socialistic," Obama continued. "You know I don't know when, when they decided they wanted to make a VIRTUE OUT OF SELFISHNESS."

(Emphases mine). So if selfishness is bad, why did you appeal to it in the first paragraph, Sen. Obama?

Obama was making a reference to Ayn Rand's book "The Virtue of Selfishness." He was (laughably) trying to equate McCain's economic policies with Rand's; since he thinks that people all think "selfishness" is bad, they will reject McCain on that basis.

He is in for an interesting four years. Every such fundamental contradiction inherent to his way of thinking, I will illuminate.

Obama's other tax plan
Obama claims he wants to lower your income tax. What he fails to tell you is that he wants to instigate another tax – a global tax to eliminate poverty in the world. How does he plan to do this? Through a global tax on carbon emissions…yes, folks…gasoline. Here’s his press release:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/071211-obama_hagel_can/
Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.'s "Millennium Project," says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.'s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the "Millennium Development Goals," this amounts to $845 billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs has written, is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.

United Nations Global Tax to eliminate poor:

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/un_monitor/in_our_op inion/global_taxes.htm

Or Was It Mr. Rogers?
Maybe it doesn't have to come down to either morality or sound economic policy.

Mr Rogers, among others, taught us right from wrong and the concept of neighborliness. We do teach morality to children and hope that they will keep it with them throughout there lives. Or do you agree with those who would take "In God We Trust" off our coins?

If you think life is not woven from a moral fabric I'd recommend you read "The Case For Christianity" by C.S.Lewis where he argues for the existence of God by showing the underlying agreement we all have on what constitutes fairness and right and wrong.

But Obama's arguments for forcing some to give to others using terms like "selfish" and "neighborly" doesn't comprise either wise economic policy or sustaining moral content, but is pseudo-moralistic having the language morality with the essence of it. That doesn't so much reflect the value of morality to our culture as the ignorance of those who use the terms glibly.

However our current economic crisis was largely created by the sense among democrats that it made wise publicly policy to bestow home ownership on those without credit credentials to purchase them. I'm of course referring to Bill Clinton's "American Home Ownership Strategy" and the democratic congress during his presidency who together came up with these ideas.

Today we just have more of the same and it doesn't' take a genius to figure it out, but it does take a sense of propriety and difference between right and wrong.








Bas and Al
You guys have to be the most bored guys in PA and IL tonight to have nothing better to do than come over here and spew anti Bush and Obama rethoric.

Al
It ain't over till the fat lady sings. Come back Nov 5. Maybe you can encourage me to cry then.

Either way, you're going to be the loser in this election.

Re: foxfire22

My posts are intended for grownups interested in serious discussion. Please refrain from replying to my posts if you cannot help but sound like my 10-year old grandson.

You make me think it's even a better idea for Republicans to spend 10 years in the wilderness until they purge out idiots like you so that it's a serious party again.

Bas
Bas, what Marxist country did you emerge from.

Foxfire22 I got my info from fox news.
I was watching Fox News this evening. They said Dems are going to get double digit gains in HOuse of Reps, etc.

Bas
Apparently you're a fool, because you have cut your privates off to support your emotions.
But, I think that you may be spared from yourself if the current trend keeps up.

Go McCain

Al
AL, you haven't read the latest polls.

Your man is going down in flames.

People are finally getting it. They would rather put up with 4 more years of prosperity with a man that might control spending and get us out of this debt.

Austin Hill nonsense (part II)

Second, like it or not, the cold hard reality is that America is aging. When an society is aging, it's natural and imperative to see increasing social safety net. This has happened and been happening in EVERY freaking developed country in the world. You guys seem to know nothing about demographics and macroeconomics. In addition, a social safety net that alleviate downside risk is the best thing to encourage risk-taking. When people becomes fearful, they become risk averse. Econ 101 stuff. (There are exceptions, but statistically that is in the minority.)

Third, measured by Gini coefficient (look it up, dumbo), the US economy has the most income inequality of all industrialized countries, and its income inequality is the most extreme since pre-Great Depression. When you have a majority of the people either unable to consume or deep in debt, that can't be good for the economy as a whole. Over time, it may also lead to social unrest. Not good.

Matter of the fact is that both parties in power have led this country astray and McCain/Republicans are even more responsible than the democrats. Vote Barr, throw the bums out!

Austin Hill nonsense (part I)

This website is such a group-hug session for a bunch of "conservative" losers who (a) survive on denial of reality (b) are actually whimps in need of daily confirmations from others of the same make-believe system.

Me? I'm voting for Bob Barr, and won't feel all that bad if Obama wins because your Republican party deserves a solid spanking and perhaps 10 years in the wilderness. Whether the party can reform itself back or keep on denial all the way to oblivion is an open question.

Regarding the author's laughable contention:

First, rolling back the top bracket marginal rate to pre-Bush years is not even remotely "socialism". Where does the stupid hysterics come from? Plus what ever happened to us conservative's principle of living within our means? I don't think burdening our grandchildren with ever increasing financial debt in order to selfishly party beyond our means is condonable. It's utterly unconscionable.

(to be continued)

obama in the hood ! not good !
VOTE MCCAIN-PALIN!

Austin
There is an economic teaching example used by some professors;Five people who are members of the same family, decide to have "Pie" and they all receive based on size. What is the most critical aspects of this example? First and foremost everyone received a piece of the "Pie". America is at a point wherein everyone is not receiving their piece of the "Pie". We are producing products, that require above average incomes. The average American has not had a raise in 3 years. If you count inflation,they're paying to work(Humor). America is going to see a new way for wealth creation. I know because I have designed it. The wait is almost over... ENJOY!!!

GOP had 8 years to prove it
The GOP had their chance for 8 years to prove they were better in administrating the government. What did it create? The Bush and the neo-cons threw the country and GOP under the train by creating the largest most inept federal government of all time!!! Trillions in federal debt and counting. That is why the polls are widening in most places in Obama's favor. It was a self-inflicted wound. Where was FoX news and its boys, when Bush mucked things up. No damn backbone to speak up when Bush went against every conservative principal. Don't worry, Fox news will continue to make money even though they enabled Bush do his damage.

So you have big name Republicans backing Obama, Palin getting ready for a 2012 run and a damn big party in Chicago!

nick & nomo - what a pair!
The "unchecked greed" that is killing us is that of the left. Their schemes bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The deficit is largely the result of liberal entitlement programs, which comprise the bulk of government spending. The problem with most Republicans is that they're too much like the Dims. Despite that, the economy was chugging along pretty well until the Dims took control of Congress 2 years ago.

Obama keeps telling us
we're going to build the economy from the bottom up. Just how are the bottom-feeders going to provide jobs for the rest of us? This idea contains absolutely no logic.

Economy should HELP Republicans.
Republican economic policies are superior and more successful than Democratic policies. It’s up the media to explain why.

Under GWB we had the 4th longest economic expansion in history of the USA, and some 8 million jobs were created. That's a great accomplishment.

Under Ronald Reagan the 1986 economic act was enacted. That resulted in a more stable economy than was previously the case. Through the middle of 2008, there were only two short recessions after the 1986 act. Three of the four longest expansions occurred after the 1986 act.

The longest economic expansion began under Bush 41. It was extended by the Republican economic acts of 1997.

Republicans definitely have superior economic policies.

It's time for Republicans to make this clear to everybody.

Furthermore, the Democrats have made no significant accomplishments to improve the standard of living for working middle class families in at least 40 years.

nick
trickle down = trickle on


Trickle Down Economics - Has Never Worke
I suspect that none of you make enough money to justify this concern. This country has a tremendous deficit and you are concerned about taxing 1 or 2% of the population just a little bit more? If you call this Sesame St. Economics than what another word for Reaganomics? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Nothing but unchecked greed has been the norm for too long under W's belt. Joe the plumber will benefit from Obama's plan and suffer under the continued policies of this current, failed, corrupt administration.

Letter to obama from a TEXAN
long but worth the read - this is a man that obama will take $$$'s from to help those who are too lazy to help themselves
Cory The Well Driller
Friday, October 31, 2008
By: Cory Miller

found on POINT OF VIEW

Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself.



http://www.pointofview.net/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7 417

Vot for sarah
Sarah Palin didn’t about being a mayor until she became one.
Sarah learned very fast and did very well as a mayor.
Sarah didn’t know everything about a state governor until she became one.
Sarah learned very fast and did very well as a governor – 80% approval.
Sarah didn’t know much about being vice-president when she was asked to run for vice-president.
Sarah is learning very fast and she will do very well as vice-President. If called upon to be President, she will have learned quickly, and will do very well as President.
Sarah knows how to run a business.

Biden and Obama don’t know anything about being a mayor, and they never will.
Biden and Obama don’t know anything being a state governor, and they never will.
Obama doesn’t know anything about being a state senator, and he never will.
Biden and Obama don’t know anything about United States senators, and they never will.
Biden doesn’t know anything about vice-president and he never will.
Obama doesn’t know anything about being President, and he never will.
All Obama knows is how to be a rabble rouser and terrorist.
Biden doesn’t know much about anything and he never will.

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
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MORE NEWS FROM THE THE SOCIALIST
*
ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!

GOVERNMENT REPORTS SAY, PAY UP!

EXAMPLE,


FROM:
Tax Administration: Comparison of the Reported Tax Liabilities of Foreign- and U.S.-Controlled Corporations, 1998-2005
(GAO-08-957 July 24, 2008)
-----------------------------------


In 2005, 1/4 of ALL "large"* U.S.-controlled corporations and 2/3 of ALL U.S.-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY.
NONE!

*(Defined as those with assets of at least $250 million or gross receipts of at least $50 million.)



Report highlight:
http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d08957high.pdf


Full Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08957.pdf

================================================


FROM:
U.S. MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS; Effective Tax Rates Are Correlated with Where Income Is Reported.
(GAO-08-950 August 2008 revised September 11, 2008,)
------------------------------------

U.S. multinationals move income to jurisdictions where they will pay the least taxes on that income, even when those jurisdictions have a disproportionately small amount of business activity from that company in comparison to its income.

Report highlight:
http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d08950high.pdf

Full Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08950.pdf.

----------
=================================================

Not surprisingly, the income collected from corporations has been declining as a percentage of GDP, with the burden transferred to your income and payroll taxes.

=================================================
-----------

According to a study by the Treasury Department, from 2000 to 2006, an average of 2.2 percent of GDP was collected in corporate taxes. This compares to an average of 3.4 percent in other industrial countries.

http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/FE9DCA 58402875D7852573680064DA50?OpenDocument

------------------------------------


Obama is endorsed by CONSERVATIVE LEANING 'The Economist.'

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cf m?story_id=12516666&source=features_box1






Eyes but don't see, ears that don't hear
Has anyone considered hoe elections would turn out if our kids had been 'taught' instead of 'indoctrinated'? Over 50 years ago, I was TAUGHT what OUR 'government' was SUPPOSED to do, how even then it was going beyond 'original intent' and most of all, I was TAUGHT that complacency and 'self-interest' could lead to totalitarianism such as had led to World War II and the 'difficulties' we were having with the Soviet Union.

We were warned that the danger of losing freedom was ever present, but not always clear. There was a movie called 'The Mortal Storm' that depicted how quickly free people could become prisoners, even slave labor, for almost any reason.

Yet, under the guise of 'preventing' some of the things that gave rise to Facism, Nazism, Communism, our politicians began or expanded doing the very same things that ALLOWED Facism, Nazism and Communism (various forms of 'socialism') to gain a foothold in other Republics.

Politicians can promise anything, but once they gain absolute power, no one is safe -- no one.

All Segments of our Society
have taken a second look at the importance of making the right choice on Tuesday.
It is clear that in spite of Obama's long laundry list of questionable associations HIS BASE IS UNWILLING TO EXAMINE THOSE ISSUES. That is because Obama has been successful in latching onto his base by continuously preaching class distinction.
He talks about the Republican campaign tearing people apart - on the contrary - Obama has worked at that every single day in all his speeches and remarks. Obama has zeroed in on a very unattractive human characteristic - envy.
With that as his tool he has daily used the sermons of Wright, Phelger, Farrkhan - smoothly delivered - and made business owners, professionals, and tradespeople the enemy of the so called "middle class". His promises of tax breaks - really for 40% of the work force means a government check and his preaching of growing the ecnomony from the bottom up - because if the bottom has a "little money" in their pocket they will spend it. HOW CAN THE BOTTOM OF THE ECONOMIC CHAIN HAVE ANY MONEY IN THEIR POCKET IF THE TOP HAS CUT OUT A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE JOBS. Every single one of Obama's policies is flawed, and is wrong for this country. Only by cutting spending - freezing spending as McCain has promised - and by bringing reform to Washington - can we right our economy - and it will happen quicker under a McCain administration.
We all understand sensible policies and we all know danger when we see it. Let's vote American - vote McCain/Palin 2008!!!

Do the math
Rich D.

Your hateful, moronic reply just reinforces what I've been saying.


WHO......
Who trusts Barrack Obama and why ?

We can win if we tell about Obama's coal
Focus on Obama's coal statements!!!. We have been duped into divide and conquer techniques by the DEms. Let us focus on Obama's statement of bankrupting coal and America. This message will resonate more than Ayers, Khalidi, or any other story. HIT THEM HARD, together!!!! GOP should unite in the blogging world and media!!!

Rich D.
The Lord knows that I like listening to your reasoning.

Not that it's changing there ideology.

ldopas
ldopas, surely you are not referring to me.

You’ve totally missed the point of my post if you are referring to me.

The Bible does not deal with the redistribution of wealth. Though it deals with giving to those in need, it does not delegate that responsibility to the government.

Render unto Caesar what’s due unto Caesar. Now, Caesar may take it from you if he chooses, and redistribute it to whom he wills, but Caesar could find himself in a world of hurt if he kills the golden goose.

You have lost touch with reality if you think that people in this country are really suffering. I have not seen anyone suffering worse than my mother did while raising four children by her self without welfare.

You people in favor of redistribution act like we have people dying of starvation in this country. It just isn’t happening unless it’s mentally ill street people, and no amount of welfare is going to change that.

Welfare destroys a person’s incentive to work. I’d rather offer a person a job than offer them welfare.
Do you remember a program to get people off of welfare a few years back? One out of six families succeeded. It was featured on nation wide TV. We’ve always got someone experimenting with those trapped in poverty.

Another program where Oraha helps minorities trapped in poverty. It’s not a forever program. It aims specifically at getting people off welfare. Her program has produced fruit.

I’m not against a program to put people to work and get them out of poverty, but I’m flat against permanent welfare programs.

Dr Douglas hows about you
look at the tax returns of the last 6 President's for charitable giving?

What good is empathy if in that empathy you are paralized from doing good and that comes down to the point of the matter. Care and cry all you want what actions are backing up the supposed empathy and gentleness of heart.

Do the math:

I'm glad to see one person (sol) actually asked to see my research and presented links to their own evidence. If it is true that red states give more to charity than blue states, then I congratulate and thank them. But this is really not very good evidence because there are liberal-minded people in those red states (and vice versa), so to make your point you would have to compare conservatives to liberals, not red states to blue states. So I'm not convinced.

Besides, my point was that 30 years of psychological evidence shows that liberals have more EMPATHY than conservatives. Empathy and charitable giving are related, but they are not the same thing. The research is spread out across many published articles, but the best summary can be found in two books: The Authoritarian Personality by R. Altemeyer (2006) and Social Dominance Orientation by Pratto & Sidianus (1994). These books review research looking at differences between liberals and conservatives on a variety of personality traits such as empathy, punitiveness, mean-spiritedness, prejudice, intolerance, racism, and so on.

Dr. Douglas (2)
"We also have a fairly good understanding of the emotional and cognitive processes (e.g., blaming the victim, beliefs that some are worth more than others) that contribute to this lack of empathy."

RD: Sure - your understanding has created a pschological and economic slave class for the liberals to exploit to keep in political power, and sustain the bankrupt university research system.

"I know you guys don't like science but that's what the research shows."

RD: Psychology isn't a science like the one I have my PhD in. Your social welfare experiments continually get negative results, yet you persist even harder with the same prescriptions. So much for what you generously call a "science". If my professional activities had the same results on the public, people would die (just like in your class of victims), except that I wouldn't still have a job and I'd be sued for professional malpractice.

RD: Research shows that people on unemployment benefits tend to get jobs about three weeks before their benefits are scheduled to end. Lengthening the term just moves the job acquisition to the last three weeks. Whould one of you brilliant "scientists" propose that the benefit period never exceed three weeks? Surprise me and say "yes". Have you learned anything?

Ah, the academic Dr. Douglas
"(1) I'm not sure that this is true - the actual numbers are distorted by the Mormons, who do give a lot."

RD: There's a whole book written on it that includes data. Have you read it?

"(2) When it comes to taxes (and the money they provide for services for the poor), it is obviously the liberals who do more for the poor and always have. Liberals are willing to help the less fortunate by paying more taxes."

RD: This is stupid - with someone else's money! Theft doesn't count. Also, all the money thrown at it has produced generations of illiterate crime-prone dependants and minority abortions, with no descrease in poverty. Show me where in the US Constitution it allows for public forced charity.

"(3) I'm actually a research psychologist and know of 30 years of scientific evidence that shows liberals to have more empathy than conservatives."

RD: The conservatives in the churches are the one who run the soup kitchens and get thier hands dirty. What mission work have you done? What percentage of gross income do you give to charity?

Misleading on Taxes
{``When two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes,'' Pelosi said, ``American workers are forced to pay too much in taxes even as they cope with rising prices and falling wages.''

The study seemed to play right into the Democratic us- against-them playbook. Evil corporations rake in the cash and then play dirty tricks to avoid taxes. That leaves the little guy with the bill for our government.

The problem is, the study showed no such thing.

No Profit, No Tax

First, while it is true that 60 percent to 70 percent of companies in the study paid no tax in a given year, there was a big qualification. The study focused on an Internal Revenue Service tax database that included millions and millions of companies. The vast majority of firms in the study were tiny mom- and-pop enterprises.

Why did the tiny mom-and-pop enterprises pay no taxes? Because they didn't make any money! The study reported that was the reason about 80 percent of the firms in the sample avoided taxes in a given year. How terrible of them.

If the GAO issued a report that added together data for nine hot dog stands and General Electric Co., and found that 90 percent of companies didn't pay any tax, it would be a harmless and silly thing to do. But if the Democrats then rush to the microphones and insinuate to the general public that 90 percent of companies are tax dodgers, the stakes change.

How can it be that so many small businesses made no money? Companies tended to have no profits because they had large deductions including wages. Hot dog vendors can pay themselves a wage, in which case they have no profits but pay wage taxes, or they can take their money in profits, in which case they pay profits tax. The data suggest they tend to do the former. }

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aJHKNW1 lro9Y&refer=columnist_hassett

Astroturfing Remember this word


astroturfing: n.

1. The use of paid shills to create the impression of a popular movement, through means like letters to newspapers from soi-disant ‘concerned citizens’, paid opinion pieces, and the formation of grass-roots lobbying groups that are actually funded by a PR group (AstroTurf is fake grass; hence the term). See also sock puppet, troll.

Don Juan, John, lone and their ilk are ASTROTURFERS!

They are paid by liberal oganizations to discourage conservative voters and make us stay home on Nov 4.

This is typical Leftist Psy-Ops started by Unca Joe Stalin. DON"T LET THEM WIN!

Ignore the astroturfers.
Ignore the astroturfers.
Ignore the astroturfers.

Go to Kos, and you will find step by step instructions telling you how to become an Astroturfer.

I guess these guys aren't smart enough to think up their own lies.

IGNORE the Astroturfers.
IGNORE the astroturfers.
IGNORE the astroturfers.

You will be a lot happier and it ruins their whole day. :o)


"The other day, Senator Obama said, if he lost this year, he would go back to the Senate and prepare for another act in 4 years.

That sounds like a Great idea.

Let's help him make that happen!!"

John Mccain nov 2, wallingford,PA


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First, YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR TAXES
EXAMPLE,

FROM:
Tax Administration: Comparison of the Reported Tax Liabilities of Foreign- and U.S.-Controlled Corporations, 1998-2005
(GAO-08-957 July 24, 2008)
-----------------------------------


In 2005, 1/4 of ALL "large" U.S.-controlled corporations and 2/3 of ALL U.S.-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY. (It defined large corporations as those with assets of at least $250 million or gross receipts of at least $50 million.)
NONE, ZIP, ZERO!!!!


Report highlight:
http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d08957high.pdf


Full Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08957.pdf

================================================

Not surprisingly, the income collected from corporations has been declining as a percentage of GDP, with the burden transferred to your income and payroll taxes.

=================================================

FROM:
U.S. MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS; Effective Tax Rates Are Correlated withWhere Income Is Reported.
(GAO-08-950 August 2008 revised September 11, 2008,)
------------------------------------

U.S. multinationals sidestep their fair share of taxes by moving income offshore. What this means is that companies move income to jurisdictions where they will pay the least taxes on that income, even when those jurisdictions have a disproportionately small amount of business activity from that company in comparison to its income.

Report highlight:
http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d08950high.pdf

Full Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08950.pdf.

-----------------------------------

According to a study by the Treasury Department, from 2000 to 2006, an average of 2.2 percent of GDP was collected in corporate taxes. This compares to an average of 3.4 percent in other industrial countries.

http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/FE9DCA 58402875D7852573680064DA50?OpenDocument

------------------------------------


Spare yourself the silly FairTax Foundation lie:
"Corporations don't really pay taxes, their customers do."

Rich D.
Amen!

How About That Coal
I didn't see too many people posting from coal producing states that were not already for McCain, but those who are in coal producing states better wake up before you go to the polls.

You're not going to have anything but Obama's $1000 welfare check in the bank, because you won't have a job.

Even if Obama wins and we suffer four
year of socialist darkness, there will be Christians who take their faith seriously and remember to be lights to the world. Dying for our faith is not the end. It isn't over until the Master comes.

Let your faith inform your vote. God Bless.

Idopis
Becouse someone doesn't want to pay higher taxes doesn't mean they are not Christian. Christians generally are the most private donors to charity. I guess if the government is to pay with our tax dollars more to the poor then there should be no more need for charities, that the good people of this country already give million if not billions to every year! The idea of giving is that is voluntary and even God gave us free will. We choose to give and should never be forced to!

Research Obama n' Biden's tax returns
Doc Doug your head is in a very dark place if you cannot or will not just look at the Dem candidates tax returns for an insight into the sense of charity shown by these two men.

Any rational person would come to the conclusion that Obama 'n Biden are world class scrooges when they pay out of their own pockets to help the poooooor. Taxing the rich (government theft) to "spread the wealth" is not an act of charity but comes directly from the socialist/communist playbook.

Quoting the numbers in BO's tax plan is an exercise in futility! Politicans say what they need to be elected, even Rev Wrong was right once! We can only go with the track record of a candidate and on their character and judgement. BO's track record is ultra liberal. He has a very sorry record indeed for character and judgement. His record of picking his pastor, mentor, church, friends, assoicates and life partner all speak to a complete acceptance of people who love socialism, communism, terrorism, Blacks racism and antiAmerica radicalism.

Government handouts only give a sense of entitlement to the receiver. You do not achieve a just and fair society by government mandates. If this could be achieved Cuba would be a garden of eden with Chavez and Venezuela close behind!

Why not put a car with a couple of McCain/Palin stickers in San Franciso and one with like stickers for Obama and Biden in Salt Lake City. Which car will be keyed or worse and which will be in original condition after 24 hours. But the conservatives are evil, mean and judgemental, while liberals are all good and accepting! Right?????!!!!!

more
Massachusetts, where registered Democrats outnumber reg Republicans by a 3:1 margin, are rated 3rd for the "having" but 49th for the "giving".

The percentage of giving is based on the adjusted gross incomes.

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.p hp?year=2005

Dr Douglas
"30 years of scientific evidence that shows liberals to have more empathy than conservatives."

Where's your evidence?
The data referred to below shows that red states are more generous than blue states:

Generosity Index 2005 (2003 data)

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.p hp?year=2005

* New England continues to lag national giving index

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/natl/generosity_ind ex/news.html?file=/frameworks/cfp/generosity_index/news.htm l/generosity_index/news

the Bible Belt and Utah are, with generally low incomes, giving so much (as tithing evangelical Protestants), that in effect they set a high example, which suggests that the wealthiest taxpayers in the wealthy states can afford to give significantly more.

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
*
ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!


SAD GOP "Bankrupt COAL" FALSEHOOD


WHAT WAS REALLY SAID, AND WHEN......


in a January 17, 2008 interview...
(first, SEE THE DATE, Even McSTOOGE has changed some of HIS energy plans since then)


"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that *greenhouse gas* that's being emitted."


(Second SINCE THIS WAS NEVER ENACTED, THIS STORY MEANS NOTHING!)

JUST MORE SAD GOP DISTRACTION!



IT'S ALL OVER FOR THE GOP!

All, but their DEMANDED re-count!!



Your pollster Frank Luntz,
"I cannot foresee a scenario that John McCain is elected president of the United States."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7703000/7703725 .stm



Chuck Todd, "it's a simple math problem..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWdcUbfW_e8


NBC News' final map ! OBAMA!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/02/1626684.a spx


Doctor Douglas
You are completely right!

The question I would ask you, is why is an intelligent person like you spending time trying to convince morons who think Obama is a marxist and are happy to think that people who make a gazillion dollars a year give large sums to the poor, so that they can do absolutely nothing.

You are right, its a tiny increase in tax, to be used to make life better for the poorer.

Personally I thought the US was a christian country, but clearly I was wrong! (Ignoring the person who tried quoting the bible to back up not paying taxes to help the poor. Which is pretty funny considering the bible is a more socialist document that das capital!).

These people want to stop abortion of a clump of cells, yet are happy not have have any of their taxes used to help babies needing healthcare because the parents have had the horrific sin to be poor.

This isnt socialism, in my book its called doing the right thing. In a multi trillion dollar economy, using taxes to help the people who need it is what should happen.

But Doc, I wouldnt waste your time, these people say they are christians, but they are quite the opposite. You know it, I know it, they will never know it.

OBAMA TROLLS =GET OTA HERE !
MCCAIN PALIN IS THE ONLY CHOICE!

Obamas tax plan
He sais that noone will see a dime of their taxes raise from their paycheck, but what we do not hear is what will our deductions at the end of the year be! He voted against the marriage tax credit. What will the child tax credit be? I hate to say I am more fearful of what he doesn't say that what he sais. We all know he can't keep all of his promises, but what he is going to do that he doesn't say! He has been the King deceiver. You libs really should be more cautious. You are voting on emotion not with rational thought and if you think you are beeing rational then I feel pity for you!!

OBAMA PLAN TAKE FROM ROBIN !
TAKE FROM ROBIN GIVE TO THE HOOD!TAKE FROM THE FAT CATS AND SPREAD THE CHEESE TO THE RATS!DID YOU EVER GET A JOB OFFER FROM A WINEO???THE FAT CATS WILL KEEP ALL THE CHEESE,AND THERE WILL BE NO JOBS IF OBAMA OVER TAXES THE FAT CATS!THEN AMERICA IS LIKE WHAT CASTRO DID TO CUBA! FOLKS VOTE MCCAIN- PALIN!!!!

Do the math:

I'm glad to see one person actually checked my math. Unfortunately, they did it wrong. This is in part my fault because I failed to explain how the tax plan actually works.

The way Obama's plan works, Joe the Plumber would be taxed at the existing 33% for his first $250,000. Only the earnings beyond that would be taxed at 36%. So, if we assume Joe makes 280,000 he would be taxed ((250 x .33) + (30 x .36)) = 93300. Under the existing plan, Joe would be taxed 280000 x .33 = 92400. As you can see the difference between the good captialist plan and the evil socialist plan is only $900 (I rounded up to $1000).

Like I said before, this is simply nonsense.

As for the many people who claimed that I was wrong in saying that conservatives lack empathy for the poor because conservatives actually give more money to the poor, you may have a small point. But I would argue that : (1) I'm not sure that this is true - the actual numbers are distorted by the Mormons, who do give a lot. (2) When it comes to taxes (and the money they provide for services for the poor), it is obviously the liberals who do more for the poor and always have. Liberals are willing to help the less fortunate by paying more taxes. (3) I'm actually a research psychologist and know of 30 years of scientific evidence that shows liberals to have more empathy than conservatives. We also have a fairly good understanding of the emotional and cognitive processes (e.g., blaming the victim, beliefs that some are worth more than others) that contribute to this lack of empathy. I know you guys don't like science but that's what the research shows.


Some points
1. Already over 50% of the federal budget goes to entitlements and social programs. How much more does Obama want? At what point will he begin to address the enormous federal debt instead of adding more costs?

2. Dr. Douglas - taxing the rich is not the Marxist part of Obama's plan. Giving a check to 40% of the people for no good reason is. Obama's "trickle up" economics have been tried. The recent economic stimulus package had very little effect on the economy, but Obama wants to make it a permanent part of our tax code.

3. Obama wants to raise corporate taxes because its "fair". Fair to whom? Certainly not to out corporations who will have to compete globally with a 15% tax disadvantage.

The only one who is selfish is ....
The only one who is selfish is Obama and the liberals. They want everyone else to work and give them & the non-working and less productive their productive generated money! If this ever happens, then all of us can stop working & let the government take money from ????? & give to the rest of us! Wait a minute! No one is working! So where will Obama & the liberals get this distributed money from? Will it simply drop from the skys? I think not! Talk about stupid!!! Ha!

Inconvenient Tax Truths

{Charlie Rangel and other liberal leaders want to raise tax rates even if it means lower tax revenues.
Tax rate reductions increase tax revenues. This truth has been proved at both state and federal levels, including by President Bush's 2003 tax cuts on income, capital gains and dividends. Those reductions have raised federal tax receipts by $785 billion, the largest four-year revenue increase in U.S. history. In fiscal 2007, which ended last month, the government took in 6.7% more tax revenues than in 2006.

These increases in tax revenue have substantially reduced the federal budget deficits. In 2004 the deficit was $413 billion, or 3.5% of gross domestic product. It narrowed to $318 billion in 2005, $248 billion in 2006 and $163 billion in 2007. That last figure is just 1.2% of GDP, which is half of the average of the past 50 years.

Lower tax rates have be so successful in spurring growth that the percentage of federal income taxes paid by the very wealthy has increased. According to the Treasury Department, the top 1% of income tax filers paid just 19% of income taxes in 1980 (when the top tax rate was 70%), and 36% in 2003, the year the Bush tax cuts took effect (when the top rate became 35%). The top 5% of income taxpayers went from 37% of taxes paid to 56%, and the top 10% from 49% to 68% of taxes paid. And the amount of taxes paid by those earning more than $1 million a year rose to $236 billion in 2005 from $132 billion in 2003, a 78% increase.

Finally, another inconvenient truth is that there have been 49 consecutive months of job growth as a result of the economic expansion induced by President Bush's 2003 tax rate reductions. }

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110010 798

the Economist
{America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world}

We should "gamble" with Obama?
Put your life savings on a crap table in Las Vegas?

{Our main doubts about Mr Obama have to do with the damage a muddle-headed Democratic Congress might try to do to the economy.
Worryingly, he has a poor record of defying his party’s baronies, especially the unions.
But the risk remains that on economic matters the centre that Mr Obama moves to would be that of his party, not that of the country as a whole.

So Mr Obama in that respect is a gamble.}

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cf m?story_id=12516666&source=features_box1

Americans love to gamble.

Vote for Obama. Vote for a game of Craps.

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
*
ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!



Why does obama
keep reminding us how recent it was he was in kindergarten, or that he was only 8 years old in the 60's?
He's still a kid. I guess his supporters are too.

What I want to know is where
I can hide the tiny bit of money I have saved for retirement -- and it is indeed tiny before Obama comes for it. After all, even though it isn't enough to survive 2 or 3 years on the fact that I have ANY money other than a check from the government just isn't fair.

the Economist backs OBAMA


Obama got endorsed by The Economist. Yes, that CONSERVATIVE LEANING Economist!

"The presidential election
It's time America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world"

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cf m?story_id=12516666&source=features_box1

.................
----Republicans, we need to defeat the democrats by letting them take the fall for the next few years ensuring long term GOP leadership.......Joe-----

Joe, were you laughing while typing that?

----John McCain has never been a completely loyal conservative.----

Of course, but that's no reason to turn the country over to some quisling socialist with a lunatic democrat controlled congress.

Joe in CO
That same argument carried the day in 2006. We were going to "teach the Republicans a lesson." Uh-huh. Has the Democratic Party imploded yet? I must have missed it.

It's nuts to wait for the Democrats to destroy themselves, when the only way they could do so would be to take the rest of us with them.

Ain't willing to do that. Sorry.

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
*
ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!


The day after the election
The day after the election the winner is scheduled to sit down with the Treasury chief and related officials. Remember Sarkozi's comments about Obama's view on Iran as "hopelessly naive" and "devoid of substance"? I am willing to bet that his economic views are nowhere near so cogent.

FOR GOP-LET THE DEMS DESTROY THEMSELVES
Republicans, we need to defeat the democrats by letting them take the fall for the next few years ensuring long term GOP leadership. Things are going to be bad for a while and with the democrat”s in power we know it will become even worse. There is a good chance Senator McCain won”t be able to make things better either which would definitely keep us out of power till 2016! This cannot happen. With the liberals in control it will be absolutely clear that they are to blame and everyone will understand that we were right, which will ensure Republicans permanently return to power during the next election cycle. We need to look ahead and in two years begin the return to power that will be complete in four years. From here we will bring this country back to it”s feet guaranteeing long term Republican control. Besides, John McCain has never been a completely loyal conservative. So this conservative says stay home on Nov 4th and let the democrats destroy themselves.

It was good enough for Honest Abe
Regardless of how much people on the far right may object, Obama's economic proposals are very much in the mainstream of American politics and governance. Progressive taxation, for example, has been with us since the Republican Lincoln administration!

The PolitiFact website has an excellent analysis of the ridiculous "Obama is a Socialist" meme:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/826/

.................
-----Do you think Joe the Plumber and Palin would make a good team for 2012?.......nomo----

This is a better ticket than the current donk ticket. Obama the economic illiterate and Joe "3 letter word: J-O-B-S" Biden, who's been wrong on virtually every issue during his 30+ years in congress, are the dumbest duo to ever run for P/VP.

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Taxing the rich does not help the poor, it helps the bureaucratic whores. Many of the poor were deprived of a decent education from the liberal run public schools and now later in life need to learn skills that will provide upward mobility. Many need to learn how to be financially responsible. Punitively taxing the rich will provide none of this, it will only perpetuate the welfare state. The poor need better job opportunities and that will not happen if their potential employers are being taxed into submission.

The democrat filth understands this; they don't want the poor or your average American to have the ability for upward mobility, they want them dependent on the state thus giving the DC Whores™ a reason to criminally tax us. The fact the DC parasites are using our confiscated money for unconstitutional purposes is of no matter to them.

I would also add that many good jobs are being filled by illegal foreign nationals instead of being filled by lower income Americans all because the sellouts in DC refuse to enforce our immigration policy.

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
*
ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!


Much worse than higher taxes
There is something looming on the horizon far worse than higher taxes, far worse than Barry O's plan for health care, far worse than a President who doesn't know how many states there are.

Many think (and I am among them) that the possible election of Barry Obama will herald in a new age of a permanent, poor and mostly illiterate Democratically-voting majority that will be with us forever (or what might as well be forever) and will elect again and again and again legislators and presidents of the "nanny state" mentality. With millions and millions and millions of semi-literate, non-productive minions to vote for tax-and-spend Democrats, there will never be a conservative party again. There will never be a USA based on self-reliance, individual rights and individual freedoms.

Many suspect, and I am among them, the day is not far off when taxes -- or in fact, the amount of money the government takes from you -- will be based NOT on your income but on your net worth. If you have $500,000 and you make (through smart investments) $40,000 a year, Barry O and company or his successor will decide not only that $40K a year is too much but that $500,000 is too much -- and they will take some of it from you and redistribute according to their gauge of need.

Fortunately, I'm old and think I may be dead by the time that happens. But I DO think it will happen if the Democrats win the upcoming election.

Slept through Katrina?
Norman, the sleepers were Ray Nagin (D) and Kathleen Blanco (D). Nagin may have retained his job because of the D, but Blanco LOST hers.

I wish you liberals could remember ANY history, even that from 3 years ago.

Besides, you want to see devastation? Go down where MY church is volunteering in Bay St. Louis. You can do what Jesus said, and help the unfortunate. Not vote for BO, Nancy, and Harry to steal it out of my pocket.

r729 and laura
haha -- BOO -- yes we commies are everywhere.

Do you think Joe the Plumber and Palin would make a good team for 2012?

Landslide!
Only a landslide will teach Republicans a lesson. They slept on 9/11, lied about WMDs, slept thru Katrina, deregulated the economy to death (but it was soooo good for their cronies).

Send Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld to the Hague to be tried for war crimes.

Laura
Good one, lady. I enjoyed it!

With apologies to Sesame Street...
Who are the people in your neighborhood?
In your neighborhood
in your neighborhood
Well, let's meet the people in your neighborhood
They're the people that you meet each day

Joe the Plumber comes to fix your sink
He thinks Obama's plans will stink
Since Obama's gonna take a lot
You can flush your money down the pot

'Cause a plumber is a person in your neighborhood
In your neighborhood
In your neighborhood
At least he WAS a person in your neighborhood
Till Obama takes his house away.

And the press denies the stuff that's true
'Cause they know so much more than you
Just believe the lies they told and wrote
And don't bother to go out and vote

'Cause a reporter is a person in your neighborhood
In your neighborhood
In your neighborhood
Yes, reporters will be all over your neighborhood
If they think that you'll get in the way.

Bill Ayers' philosophy is rough
He think he didn't bomb enough
"Kill your parents" was his battle cry
Be a Communist or else you die

'Cause a bomber is a person in your neighborhood
In your neighborhood
in your neighborhood
Yes a commie is a person in your neighborhood

He's the candidate to beat
When you're voting down the street
If you really want to eat ... each ... day.

Forget the income tax
Hello America-
Now is the time to take back power and elect someone who will support and vote for the Fair Tax bill. (HR25).
Please take the time to educate yourself about this plan.
Go to the web site (Fairtax.org)
Read the book(s).
Its OUR money, not the government's. ]With the fair tax, you only pay taxes when you BUY something. The congress dislikes the plan because they are UNABLE to manipulate it to their advantage. Return the power back to the people.

Simply put, the fair tax changes everything except the price the consumer pays.


What Would Happen
ObamaMorons say there will be blood in the streets if he loses. It's not about race, is it? Nawwww.

What if McCain loses? I'm putting a bumper sticker on my 10 year old Town car:

OK, I Quit -- I'm Waiting For My Check

Or, perhaps it should read:

Make Your Day, Dump a Dem

As in forEVER, right down the ballot to any non-partisan races or initiatives. I've had it with being tolerant to twisted, nasty people. You cannot fix stoopid.

Bubble Up Economics
Obama wants to "spread the wealth" like fertilizer in order to provide those who don't want to work a living.

I'm sorry, but I've (and I doubt that anyone else has) never gotten a job from a poor person.

I'm sorry, but through Obama's plan we're all going to be drug down to mediocrity... remember S*** float

McCain / Palin 08

Obama Gets the Big Bird!
Besides B.O.'s infantile, almost condescending smoke and mirrors rhetoric, he keeps stating, as if fact, that eight years of Bush’s economic policy is what got the country in the current economic crisis. “Balderdash! and poppycock!” as Benjamin Franklin would say. Nobody’s hands are clean on this issue but the democrats have more than their share of soiled paws. We all know that high risk home loans are the main reason we are in this mess and who were the primary enablers of legislation that forced banks to make these loans? You guessed it, democrats like Rep. Franks and Sen. Dodd. Nobama was advocating this kind of legislation for years before he even colluded in politics with the disreputable democrat mafioso. Now this guy wants to fix the economy?!? Hello? Is there any sanity left on the planet? If so, I’m going there!

Liberal Selfishness

Obama and his supporters in the Socialist Party pose as the agents of compassion. Several months back, Hillary Clinton said she could not understand how anyone could be a Christian and a Republican at the same time. Obama has essentially the same view. Obama, of course, is not a Christian, but a radical leftist who has used a radical black nationalist church as a political base. To the extent that he embraces Christianity at all, it is simply a variant of liberation theology, a Marxist idea which employs government to redistribute wealth from the haves to the have-nots.

There is no basis in Christianity, or the Bible, for government-imposed redistribution of wealth. There are, of course, exhortations in Christianity that we should voluntarily help those less fortunate. And conservatives do this far more generously than liberals/progressives/socialists. This is because liberals are more self-centered than conservatives, as well as more envious, more materialistic, more hedonistic, and more narcissistic than conservatives.

The Harvard University Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey revealed that liberal communities are actually terrible about helping others when compared to conservative communities. The anecdotal evidence about stingy Democratic politicians is, in fact, representative of a widespread phenomenon. They don't give to charity themselves, but hope to assuage their consciences by supporting policies which would force everyone to do so.

The problem is that the concept of welfare as a right has been a colossal failure and the cause of considerable human misery. The radical left truly believes that welfare should be divorced from any sense of gratitude or obligation to change behavior. All they expect of welfare recipients is their vote at the next election. And ACORN is the great facilitator of that corrupt bargain.

Don't forget
the Obamas have their money tied up in tax free investments. Does mean they are selfish and unpatriotic?

Here are the REAL promises
http://www.angelfire.com/luckyldyaz/McCP.html

How about Gasoline Tax?
Don't foreget there is a bunch of other taxes libeals like to increase as well. The gas tax, phone tax, cable TV tax, Federal Excise tax. and for years democrats have been wanting to impose an internet tax.

All these taxes impact the single working mom, the family of four making just enough to get by.
people trying to get ahead in life. Liberals don't care where they get it, they just want to spend your money.


Who ARE 'the rich'?
When Bill Clinton took office, 'the rich' were re-defined to include just about every American citizen, and what government under Clinton planned to 'take' were no longer 'confiscations' or even 'tax' but were called 'contributions', and WE, the EMPLOYERS, were called 'clients'. 'Client' may sound inconsequential, but that word also means 'dependent upon', or even a 'customer' who can be refused service.

Beware of politicians promising 'gifts', because the gift may well be a Trojan Horse.

Wanting to keep what I earned and spending or giving it away as I choose, is neither 'selfish', 'greedy' or 'unpatriotic'. Frankly, if Obama and Biden want to call on patriotism or Biblical standards, one must wonder why they 'covet' what I or anyone has while telling others 'government' has the right to decide what part of what I earned 'government' will let me keep without asking if I NEED IT MYSELF or givine me any 'choice'.

Remember, some kids work hard to earn an 'A' in school, and others do little or nothing and earn an 'F'. Obama tells us it is 'fair, and 'patriotic' and 'unselfish' if we say nothing when 'government' essentially 'shaves points' off the ones who earned an 'A' to give to those who earned an 'F' so everyone will have a 'passing' score.

While 'shaving points' is illegal in sports, it seems that shaving earnings is OK with Obama as long as 'certain people' get the money.

Tactius X, UT Paul & others right on
As many have pointed out Obama 'n Biden are two of the most uncharitable "rich" people in this country when it comes to giving out of their own pockets to make things "fair." O n' B would have us believe that it is concern for the lower class and not a quest for personal power that drives their prescription of using the power of taxation to "spread the wealth."

It should be obvious to all that these two self righteous hypocrites only use the call of fairness to increase the power of government which in turn increases their own power.

With the right people, like Obama n' Biden, in charge won't "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" turn this country into paradise on earth. Human nature being what it is this concept always leads to everyone having very limited abilites and all having unlimited needs! Taxing success will greatly dimish success. Rewarding failure will multiply failure. Strange how that always works out!

As Michelle says we'll all have to learn to share the pie. No thought about growing the pie just make sure that it is shared "fairly." This always leads to a far smaller pie but hey we call all share poverty and we'll all be happy because Michelle and BO can go to bed happy in the knowlege that the rich are paying their fair share.


Nomo
More like no brain. The democrats made this mess. Just ask Bill Clinton he was real candid with Chris Cuomo about that. It is really scary that people like you are even allowed to vote. Let's hope the terrorists get you first if he wins. It is about time we stopped having so many people like you running around stealing money from everyone else. You need to go get a job and get off welfare and food stamps.

If Obama
offers Sesame Street economics. What would you call the Bush economic plan? Or has there even been one? We have endured government by contract, and the last few weeks have shown us just what a Capitalist Bush & Co. really are, ie. when the going gets tough, we must bail em out. Privatize the profit and socialize the losses: the Republican formula summed up. Laissez faire except for the wealthy.

Had to laugh when McCain said he is going to take Joe the Plumber with him to the White House… he would fit in nicely with the no-brain Palin – maybe could be his economic advisor since he has shown total ineptitude in that area.

From skimming through the many postings here at TH, you would think Obama has already won – most sound like post-election analysis. Have you all just given up and thrown the towel in?? No one talks about McCain/Palin and how their economic plans can revitalize our country. It is all sour grapes, attack, fear/hate towards Obama and Dems.


Obama/Biden 08
Yes We Can!

Cliff is right!
Thanks for saying it, Cliff! It is the middle class that will suffer terribly under Obama. The rich will protect their money mightily. The poor--well do they pay taxes anyway? They will be affected by the inflation and loss of jobs that is sure to come, though. The middle will be hit, and hit hard! Inflation, job loss and high taxes will be staggering. We will make it through because that is what we do. When the going gets tough, we get to work!

I have asked the libs this and nobody has answered. Obama consistently votes against tax cut, and he consistently votes for tax increases. He is a pork-addicted politician who loves to spend my money on crap. He protects his money to the last dollar!!! You can look it up and see how sheltered his money is. If paying taxes is so patriotic--why isn't he coughing up his "fair" share? If paying taxes is going to "help" others, why isn't he willing to do it? Why is he so hot to raise taxes when he gets out of them any way he can?

Obamanomics
Cutting through the Democrat Party rhetoric, it must be emphasized that the so-called “rich” already pay the bulk of the taxes in this country, a burden far beyond their proportion of the population. The latest data from the Internal Revenue Service indicates that the top 1% earn 19% of the income, but pay 37% of the taxes. The top 5% earn 33% of the income and pay 57% of the taxes. The top 10% earn 44% of the income and pay 67% of the taxes. Conversely, the bottom 50% (those below the median income level) earn 13% of the income and pay only 3% of the taxes. The above calculations do not include Social Security or Medicare.

Democrats have milked the refrain of making the rich pay their “fair share” so long it makes you want to vomit. They never really define what the “fair share” is, but you can be guaranteed that it’s always more than what they are currently paying. Otherwise, they would have no issue at the next election cycle. This continual jiggering of income tax rates is, as Milton Friedman used to say, the politicians’ re-election program. That's why so many fear such reforms as a permanent flat tax, or fair tax. Such reforms would provide an incalculably positive benefit to the American economy, not only by spurring economic growth, but by drastically reducing the enormous costs of tax compliance, estimated to total more than $600 billion annually. And we would have the additional positive benefit of adding to the unemployment rolls thousands of Washington lobbyists, many of whom are dedicated to gaining some benefit or forbearance from the federal tax code.

See: http://www.sensiblechange.org


Selfishness
Rarely have we been presented with such an example of audacious hypocrisy, in a
year of outstanding examples, as we are presently from Senator Obama with his
"I am my brother's keeper" rhetoric, employed in support of his socialist
'spread the wealth' philosophy. We just heard that English (!) reporters
have discovered his aunt Zeituni (read about her in his first book) in a rundown
public housing project in Boston; this after earlier this year Italian (!)
reporters discovered his half-brother in a slum in Kenya. Below are six web
addresses where the Obama's paltry charitable giving is outlined and discussed
(first three), the story of his half-brother is given (fourth), and that of his
aunt is covered (fifth). The sixth site is an article about the charitable (and
that's being charitable) giving of Senator Biden. So, when you hear that it is
our duty to take care of our 'brothers', just remember what they REALLY believe
is their obligation, when it comes to their own money, that is.

http://mrssatan.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-charitable-givin g-cheap-cheap.html

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmMxMDk1MDNlMjI2NTQwYm E5NjEwZTJkZTM2YjRiNzI
=

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/thy_brothers_keeper. html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1047399/Barack-Obam as-half-brother-disco
vered-Kenya-living-dollar-month.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas /us_elections/article
5042571.ece

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTZiY2EyNjllZmI3MjBiOD diM2ViNjc5ZmYxNjI1Zjg
=

What a gigantic hypocrite!

spelling goes to credibility
While I agree with the premise and the substance of the article, the author may want to spell the names he references correctly. Mr. Hill misspelled Bill O'Reilly's name not once, but three times. The spelling can be easily checked by going to the townhall.com homepage where I accessed this article, and where Mr. O'Reilly also offers articles. Incorrect spelling tends to take away from the credidbility of the writer.

Obamism…


Obama “talks the talk”, but fails to “walk the walk”. Obama reminds me of others throughout history, with their ability to so quietly and enchantingly say one thing, mean and do another; and people will shake their heads in approval of the very things they oppose. What is amazing is they believe they have agreed with him. What is really very scary is that history has also proven repeatedly; that those willing to agree without questioning are the first to die by the millions.

It seems that every national election we have had in the last several decades has been described as the most important election in the history of America. And of course they've all been important, but coming right down to it I sincerely believe that the '08 election could well be what decides whether America maintains its place in the world as the most powerful, progressive and benevolent nation history has ever known or whether we will be relegated to a back seat in a world community capable of producing economic giants in a few short years.

This political season is very disturbing; Barack Hussein Obama is a closet Socialist/Marxist and looks forward to his coming out party on Nov. 4. If this country decides to elect Obama that will be the being of the end of America as we know it and we will later regret doing it. The US and the World will see a great depression worse than what they experienced during the 1930’s. Your vote does count and you should be voting for the candidate that best reflect your views of what makes this country great and so unique; remembering that this uniqueness is truly a reflection of its people and what they stand for.

It is no political secret that “Taking from Peter and giving to Paul; you will always get Paul’s vote”. We owe it not just too ourselves; but our kids and their kids, past and future generations of Americans. I urge you to exercise your right to V-O-T-E…else, you have no right to complain!


Obama's Achievement Ceiling
Is the income level of achievement that Obama wants to cap $250,000 or $200,000? These are both the top rate that Obama himself has declared.

Perhaps it is the $150,000 that Joe Biden has stated or even better, the $120,000 that Bill Richardson announced in a radio interview.

The answer is (D) none of the above. The real answer is that anyone making $42,000 or more will receive a tax increase no later than 2010 when the Bush tax cuts expire. That is providing that the Dems don't find a way to eliminate them sooner and that is probably a safe bet.

You can spin the expiration of Bush's tax cuts anyway you want but the bottom line is that your taxes will go up and you can't get around that fact. Obama's plans for our economy isn't as Mr. Hill suggests, "Sesame Street," it is "Back Alley" pure and simple.

Dr. Douglas
"there's a real lack of empathy in conservatism"
That is a false statement. Just because any individual or system that does not buy into government redistribution does not mean it or they lack empathy. There is a whole value system around empathy just as there is around every idea and concept. Just because there are those whose concepts and values are different than yours does not mean they have no empathy.

IT IS NOT THE ECONOMY or TAXES YA'LL

Our most important concern for the future of our Republic, if Obama is elected, will be their complete control of every facit of governance, ownership of the financial institutions and American enterprises. http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/07/obama-on-supreme-cour t-appointments-we.html

The “Obama, Pelosi, Reid Dynasty” will ensure socialism prevails in the DOE curriculum. The unions will ensure higher taxes, companie closures and job losses for the American workers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

Speaking in July 2007 at a conference of Planned Parenthood, Obama said, "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

Six of the current nine Supreme Court justices will be 70 years old or older on January 20, 2009. There is a widespread expectation that the next president could make four appointments in just his first term, with maybe two more in a second term. Here too we are poised for heavy changes dangerous to freedom! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122515067227674187.html

Moreover, fifteen Federal Appeal judges will be appointed in the “Obama, Pelosi, Reid Dynasty.” With a “filibuster free” congress and senate our Republic is doomed to socialism for the next fifty years or longer! Obama tells us he is a Marxist! This means our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights will become useless. http://www.usasurvival.org/obama1.html

Who Does Trickle Down Economics?
The Left are the only ones offering "trickle down" economics. They tax at the highest rate that will be tolerated, fill their ample bellies with as much as they can hold, & then let the leftovers trickle down to the people.

Some call this "socialism" but that's not true. There is nothing "social" about "socialism". The political program we call socialism, in fact poisons every society that imbibes it. It's like saying that "poisoning" is "an alternative nutrition program".

The Left says to give them the power to take from the rich & give to the poor. The question I'd like to put to the starry-eyed supporters of Obama is this:

What if the gov't takes from the rich ... period?

Regards,

creepy
It is disturbing to watch this vacuous pide-piper induce millions of wild-eyed americans to vote for him and his pernicious rhetoric. The similarities to 1930's Germany is startling.

Obama
loves the fact that the debate has shifted away from him, and his lack of qualifications for the presidency, to econominc issues since his economic resume has so little to be scrutinized.

This man is a master manipulator and plays McCain like a fiddle.

Dr Douglas
You numbers are wrong.

36% of $250,000 = $90,000

33% of $250,000 = $82,500

The difference is $7,500 not $1,000

***** $7,500 *****

Personally I do not think ANY American rich or poor ought to give a THIRD or more of their pay to government!

I mean come on 90,000 or $82,500 in tax!?! It is an outrage!

Dr Douglas
You said you thought there was a "real lack of empathy" on the part of conservatives with respect to the poor. I would strongly beg to differ. By any bi-partisan measure and statistic, Republican conservatives give far more to charities than liberals. This is a fact. Take a look at Biden's tax records, he gave around 3K over the past 10 years.

With all respect, please don't make such an assumption when you're not entirely sure what you're talking about.

Obama Will Be Great!!
Obama lived in Indonesia as a 10 year old; that's where he says he gained his global perspective on world affairs. So I'm pretty safe with him being the leader of the free world. We'll be safe to focus entirely on the economy under an Obama Administration, because the world will love us again.

We'll have plenty of wealth to spread around after we retreat from Iraq, turn Afghanistan back over to the Taliban, and claim absolute total victory on the Global War on Terror. After all, we haven't been attacked since 9/11; I think it's time to get over it and move on. Don't forget what John Edwards (You remember him, he was the one running around the country talking about "Two Americas;" unfortunately we now know there were "Two John Edwards") said about the GWOT: Edwards said GWOT was just a "bumper sticker" concocted by the evil Bush-Cheney cabal to scare Americans for purely partisan political reasons. Nothing to be afraid of, wow all that money spent protecting the country for nothing. Imagine how many bail-outs and stimulus packages the politicians could have doled out.

And since we'll no longer need our military to menace and bully the world the way the evil Bush did, we can do what Barney Frank suggested and slash defense spending 25 percent annually. Barney says "we don't need all those fancy weapons."

Obama needs a lot of money to keep his campaign promises. I'm not sure that he'll get all he needs just from the filthy rich, those people making more than 250K a year. Or is it 200K, or 150K, or 120K? Anyway, we'll all eventually need to chip in, be patriotic, get in the game. I don't have a problem with Obama taking my hard-earned money and giving it to other people, and neither should you. You don't want him to think we're being selfish do you?

I sure hope Uncle Obama wins on Tuesday so everything will be OK again.

Defending Obama - Mission Impossible

How does someone defend a person with NO character?


1) The summation of all of their decisions and actions (judgment).
2) Their personally held values.
3) Their views on sancity of life.
4) Their defense of the helpless.
5) Their associations, allies and friends.
6) Their honesty and personal integrity.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have no other recourse than to attack the messenger of the truth about him.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have no other recourse than to point to other peoples bad behaviour in hopes of mitigating the horrendous lack of empathy that Barack Obama has for defenseless little Babies.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have no other recourse than to try and point to others 'Radical' alliances and friendships in hopes of changing the subject.

Those Trying to Defend Barack Obama have found there is absolutely NO way to defend Barack Obama so they use any ruse they can to get off subject or change the topic.

Attempting to defend Barack Obama is a 'fools' quest at the very best.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/30/babies_crying_i n_terror.thtml

Do you want a "Keeper" or a job ?

Obama wants to be his brothers "Keeper".

His bro lives in a hut.
His Aunty lives in a slum.

McCain promises an increase in jobs.
Do you want a "Keeper" or a job?

Dr Douglas lacks understanding
"Trickle down" is a strawman argument concocted by the left. No reputable economist or Republican of note advocates "trickle down." Free markets work through mutual benefit and individual rights. Refraining from stealing another's property isn't "giving" them anything.

The greed here is the left's, who covet other's property. Using the government as your agent to rob is not giving, generosity, or being Christian. It is theft, and therefore immoral (malum in se). If you believe in charity, it's a simple matter for anyone to contribute as much of their own wealth to whoever they choose. When A & B conspire to rob C, it is NOT charity.

No economic system ever can hold a candle to the free market when it comes to improving the lives of the average person. Compare East Germany to West Germany, North Korea to South Korea, Bermuda to Cuba. Wherever conditions are remotely similar, the reality for the average person is invariably better to the extent the economy is free.

The Count knows what's up!
I completely agree with the column, but I was a bit surprised at the content after reading the headline.
I've been trying to tell everyone who will listen that the economic crisis was caused by people who insisted there was SOME money where there was NO money.
Sesame Street isn't all bad (says dissenting Justice Elmo.....)

I am facinated ,,,
by the fact of how many of the wealthy support this guy. They know they won't be taxed. Obama knows his wealth won't be taxed.
In fact, the wealthy will serve as a conduit for government funding. They will also be afforded many government oppotunities to keep them ahead of the curve of inflation and eventual economic collapse.
The whiners in the middle who are going to elect Obama are in for an unhappy surprise. For the polars ends of the economic ladder, life will continue as it has.

The naive
Not only are Obama supporters unable to name any significant accomplishments in his lackluster political (not public service) career, they also have no understanding of basic economics. The best his loyal, rah-rah, starry-eyed band of illuminati can come up with is "change." Pathetic.

"Dr. D" (2:51am) ... as in *D*E*A*F*
.
He seems not to have heard that the infamous

$250,000

went to

$200,000 from Obama

then to

$150,000 from Biden

a couple of days ago

$120,000 from Richardson

and records from 2003 prove Obama considered the limit
WELL UNDER $100,000.

WELL, WELL, WELL.

Anyone with eyes and ears that are functioning...and who CHOOSES to comprehend and learn
will be genuinely concerned at the
"moving target" nature of HOW DEEPLY
Obama's governmental grasp will reach
INTO YOUR WALLET.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++ VOTE McCAIN/PALIN THIS TUESDAY!!! +++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

To Dave in va
Those 'Dead' horses aren't being 'beaten', they're being signed up by Acorn to vote. And won't those 'dead' horses be suprised when they get 'taxed' too--when barry goes after their (the 'dead' horses) heirs.

Beat That Dead Horse
Never in my life have I seen a dead horse beaten so much.

Hey doc,keep drinking that Kool-Aid
So Doc explain to me how the tax numbers keep dropping,according to Biden,it's now 150,000 and dropping...and how about those Clinton years.Slick Willie promised the same B.S. tax cuts but voila,once he got in office we got the news ,well we can't cut your taxes we've got to INCREASE them.
And you want to talk about those poor---bub you don't know sh** from shinola,you really need to check out stats before you start the attacks---conservatives give more money,more time, and more energy to help the poor than the liberals think about doing.
The only thing a liberal is good at is spending some one elses money.If Obama is elected I predict the taxes will increase down to 40-50 K how else is he going to raise that Trillion in new spending---and just remember I TOLD YOU SO--lemming.

MATH SKILLS?
Here we have a democrat ticket running for President and VP and neither one of them can 'count'.
b.H.obama counts up to 57, or is it 58, United States.
j.biden counts up to 3, the number of letters in the word 'J O B S'.
At least, Sesame Street teaches our children 'how to count'. Guess, barry and joes 'higher' 'elite' education didn't offer simple math courses, just accounting, where one can make 'numbers' say or reflect anything one wants them to.
So, barry and joe, who can't 'count' and don't care what 'numbers' pop out of their mouths, will use their 'accounting' expertise to make any 'figure' fit their agenda.
barrys ECONOMIC PLAN--to take what he wants, from who he wants, to do with as he wants.
NO math skills necessary there.

Marxist, Islamist, Narcisstist
Barack Obama is a Marxist. He's been allied in project after project with a Marxist and anarchist in project after project for the last 21 years. There sole purpose has been to subvert our culture. Barack Obama is open about the need for 'CHANGE'. That's his whole platform. But he lies, and lies, and lies about everything else. For a Marxist, the end justifies the means, whether it's terrorism, lying, cheating, or whatever other means are available.

Barack Obama is perhaps an Islamist. He's been allied with Islamists and he supports his cousin Odinga in Odinga's campaign promise to impose Sharia in Kenya. Islamists want Islamic Sharia law to be imposed over the whole earth. And again the end justifies the means.

Barack Obama shows all the traits of a pathological narcissist. For an understanding of a pathogical narcissist and how it applies to Barack Obama, read 'Understanding Barack Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer" by Ali Sina at http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html.

I've compiled a comprehensive profile of Barack Obama on my blog at http://BillLong.BlogTownHall.com. Read it. If you agree with the conclusions I've reached then please help me by letting your friends know about it. If I'm right, it's vitally important to our nation that every person who knows the truth about Barack Obama shares that truth. I've provided a tool.

More dangerous than Sesame Street, thoug
You are right on, Mr. Hill!

During the primaries I read about the great talent Mr. Axelrod had in organizing a volunteer base for Obama, and the volunteers were told NOT TO DISCUSS ISSUES. "Just tell others how you came to support Obama," or some other such brain-dead, star struck, kool-aid is spiked, Manson-esque, kind of comments with no substance.

It is this point, and the general feeling I get from all Obama supporters that worries me the most - are we THAT CLOSE to electing a dictator? Could what happened in Germany just 75 years ago actually happen here?

And now Obama let it slip He is going to Change the World!

Someone please help us.




Sesame St
Poor Dr Douglas with your laminated card of democrat talking points; Joe the Plumber DOESN'T make $250K! He would LIKE to but the messiah's plans would put a stop to that. Don't choke on the Kool-aid, Doc!

Do the math:
One of conservatives' most absurd and vile myths is the idea that raising taxes on the rich is a bad thing. Usually, the excuse is that higher taxes prevents the rich from creating more jobs and wealth (though there's no evidence for this) and that wealth will "trickle down" to those less fortunate (though again there's no evidence for such effects).

Let me make two points:

First, Obama plans to raise taxes from 33% to 36% for someone like Joe the Plumber who (supposedly) makes $250000-280000. You can compute the difference between McCain's 33% and Obama's 36% plans and see that it is quite small (under $1000). Such a small amount ($1000) is truly trivial for someone making $250000 a year. It certainly won't allow Joe to hire more workers, etc.

And yet for this trivial increase in Joe's taxes the republicans scream;: Socialists! Communists! or whatever the smear of the day happens to be. In other words: 33%=capitalism=good, but 36%=socialism=evil. This is just nonsense.

Second, there's a real lack of empathy in conservatism. There are many poor people in this country who don't have enough for food, housing, education, healthcare, and so on. The conservative attitude is: " Who cares. It's their fault. They deserve it. It's God's fault" (see the heartless Christian post above).

Sorry, but again this is nonsense. In the vast majority of cases, these people are not responsible for their bad luck. And even if they were responsible, this does not justify taking money from them and giving it to the rich. (I'm referring here to the services that government provides (or could provide) for the less fortunate among us). Why in the world would any Christian be in favor of cutting food, housing, education, and health programs in order to give the money to the rich?


Is Obama Doing the Christian Thing
Part 2

The problem lies in the fact that the poorest of Americans are blessed and they are no thankful.

If God allows you to become wealthy because of skills that He gave you in the first place, you should be willing to help those in real need. I don’t know about the real wealthy, but I don’t know any people that have been in real need that average Americans didn’t flood them with more than sufficient. Look at the disasters in the US. Average people came to the rescue of the needy.

I for one am sick and tire of people feeling like they must have what everyone else has.

God never said that we were created with the same capacities. We are created equal as human beings. No one has the right to think of himself as better.

George Soros may have more money than me, but I am valued in the sight of God just as much as he is.

The skills that God gave me have provided my needs. I have tried to be content with what He gave me.

The government just needs to get out of our lives and do what the founding fathers told them to do.

Is Obama Doing the Christian Thing
Part 1

I’m sure that Mr. Obama wants us to believe that he’s doing the Christian thing by redistributing the wealth.
Look folks, if we are going to interject Christian theology into the discussion, let’s really break it down. Genesis 3: 17 - 19 says that cursed is the ground, in sorrow shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. That’s why we have to work for a living, because God is not going to give you a free ride, though He sees to it that you get help from Him if you work.

The Bible tells us in 2Thessalonians 3: 7 -10 that the Apostle Paul labored with his hands for a living so that he would be accountable to no man for a hand out. He tells his followers that if a man will not work, neither shall he eat.

So, from a Biblical stand point; God intends for mankind to earn a living. If man is unable to work, the responsibility goes to next of kin. If man has no next of kin, responsibility goes to the church.

God did not create a government welfare system.

The Word of God teaches us that God made us with all the abilities and skills that we have. There’s no such thing as a self made man. ! Corinthians 4: 7

God tells us to be content with such as we have. Why; because life does not consist of the abundance of the things that he possesses. Luke 12: 15

I have never seen someone who has been given a hand out all of there life that appreciates anything. They always feel like they should be given more.

God tells us that having food and clothes on your back; you should be content.

Is Obama Doing the Christian Thing
Part 1

I’m sure that Mr. Obama wants us to believe that he’s doing the Christian thing by redistributing the wealth.
Look folks, if we are going to interject Christian theology into the discussion, let’s really break it down. Genesis 3: 17 - 19 says that cursed is the ground, in sorrow shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. That’s why we have to work for a living, because God is not going to give you a free ride, though He sees to it that you get help from Him if you work.

The Bible tells us in 2Thessalonians 3: 7 -10 that the Apostle Paul labored with his hands for a living so that he would be accountable to no man for a hand out. He tells his followers that if a man will not work, neither shall he eat.

So, from a Biblical stand point; God intends for mankind to earn a living. If man is unable to work, the responsibility goes to next of kin. If man has no next of kin, responsibility goes to the church.

God did not create a government welfare system.

The Word of God teaches us that God made us with all the abilities and skills that we have. There’s no such thing as a self made man. ! Corinthians 4: 7

God tells us to be content with such as we have. Why; because life does not consist of the abundance of the things that he possesses. Luke 12: 15

I have never seen someone who has been given a hand out all of there life that appreciates anything. They always feel like they should be given more.

God tells us that having food and clothes on your back; you should be content.

Let's just start calling
him Obamahood because he's trying to carry on Robin Hood's practices of robbing the rich to give to the poor. Obama's leftist illuminati ideals will tear our country apart!
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