New secret recordings obtained by CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson show ATF agent Hope MacAllister, who we have not yet heard from throughout this investigation, speaking with Lone Wolf Trading Company owner Andre Howard and expressing concern about ATF whistleblower John Dodson, the ATF agent who exposed the scandal by coming forward with information about Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's death in March. In the recording, MacAllister and Howard sound panicked, not only about Dodson, but about Senator Charles Grassley and about how Attorney General Eric Holder would respond to exposed scandal. The following audio doesn't prove Eric Holder knew about Operation Fast and Furious since it started in Fall 2009, but it certainly implies he knew and if he didn't know, he should have.
Howard was cooperating with ATF during Operation Fast and Furious. Two of the guns he sold under orders from ATF, ended up at the murder seen of Brian Terry. A third gun found at the scene was sold from a different shop.
Dealer: He's (Dodson) more toxic than you realize. I can tell you cause I asked him. How much of this f-----g file did you release?
Dealer: He said basically the underlying case file. I said okay, who'd you release it to? F-----g Patrick Leahy! Ok? Wasn't just Grassley it was Leahy alright? Leahy as we both know has adjourned this inquiry right now okay with no plans to reconvene it. So your people were successful on that end.
Dealer: Obviously that's good. However these other idiots from
Agent: Yeah I saw that. The House?
Dealer: Yeah and that I don't know. What is troublesome with this I expected Darrell Issa's signature to be on this it wasn't. He's your biggest thorn, he hates Holder.
Agent: Yeah. Where's he out of?
Dealer: Darrell Issa?
Dealer: Lamar Smith you know's out of Texas, I don't know. Holder has to respond to this tomorrow.
Agent: Yeah he's gonna respond.
Dealer: I know he is. And I can assure you the media isn't gonna like his response because basically it's gonna mirror what he's told Grassley.
Dealer: He can't deviate.
Agent: Well if, I mean I've seen a rough copy at least of what our US Attorney here has sent up. Whether or not he has the b---s to actually use it or not, I doubt it. But I mean it's pretty aggressive. Um. The way I see it our local US Attorney is extremely aggressive. When it gets to DC..
Dealer: Who Emory?
Agent: No...THE US Attorney.
Dealer: Burke, yeah, used to work under Clinton. Guy used to work under Clinton. Talking about Burke?
Dealer: yeah well
Agent: But the problem is once it gets to DC it just gets... well you know
Dealer: Discombobulated, that's a good term for it - yeah I get that.
Dealer: Let me tell you you got more people out there now talking about this f-----g thing than anything I've ever seen...(unintell.) ... they're not shutting the hell up.
Dealer: and that goes from DHS to f-----g FBI to everybody...
Dealer: I'm hearing hypothetically on every fringe
Dealer: Thru third parties and I can assure you they're all like what the hell are they nuts?
Dealer: What's Holders' office got to say about this?
Agent: Well like I said they're supposed to come out with little more um b----y statement than they have in the past, so...
Dealer: God they're (intell)
Agent: I mean at some point they're gonna say have to say Grassley you're just gonna have to sit your a-- down. I mean that or they're gonna have to (unintell). I mean like I said my understanding is he can't call a hearing. Somebody from the majority party has got to call a congressional hearing and as of right now...
Dealer: Patrick Leahy's an a----e, you know that. He gets ahold of something he's like a dog with a bone.
Agent: As of right now we don't have any info that's occurred. So...
Dealer: No, not now, but
Agent: I know there was a presentation given to Judiciary committee and everybody aside from Grassley is is satisfied. At least at this point.
Dealer: So they say you know I don't trust em...
Agent: No but I mean that's all I've got...it's all (unintell.)
Issa: When did you first learn about the program officially called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge what date.
Holder: I'm not sure about the exact date but I probably learned about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.
Issa: Now that you've been briefed on it the President has said you didn't authorize it. Did your Deputy Attorney General James Cole authorize it.
Holder: My guess would be no, Mr. Cole I don't think, I think, he wasn't in the Department at the time that operation started
Issa: But he's been aware of it much longer
Holder: Much longer?
Issa: Than you have since you've only been aware of it for a few weeks. How about the head of the criminal division Lanny Breuer, did he authorize it?
Holder: I'm not sure if Mr. Breuer authorized it.
Interesting to point out: these tapes were recorded in March, when we were told only "rogue" low level ATF agents knew about, and carried out, this operation, yet the tape show ATF Agent MacCallister saying, "If anyone is going to get sued it's going to be the FBI," once again proving officials outside of ATF have been trying to cover up the operation since the beginning.