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Comment on: Peppermints Place

America Kills Bill

182 Comments
Sunday, June, 10, 2007 3:29 PM BrianR writes:

Great, Pepp!

Well said.

We have to watch them like hawks, and judge them on a case-by-case basis. For instance, my Congressman, Buck McKeon, is a solid conservative who is absolutely terrific on this issue; as he is on all others, frankly. He'd actually make an almost ideal President, though outside our area he's an unknown name, and doesn't seem to have that ambition anyway.

But as an example, he's a good one. That's what we have to do.

As I just wrote over at Phil's, I vote for the conservatiove, regardless of what party initial follows his name. No conservative to vote for? Great! I'll take the day off!

That's why in a race between Hillary and RINO Rudy, I don't vote for either. Lib v. lib. What do I care who wins?

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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 3:36 PM Peppermint writes:

Brian

So we know you have a good rep. That's one so far.
I wonder how many others there are that we could trust.

I know right now I have no Senator in my state that I can trust. Voinivich and Brown sold us out on the immigration bill. I just hope other Ohioans vote them down.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 5:57 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Rats!

After reading the headline, I thought it was going to be about clinton...
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 6:22 PM BLACKTYGRRRR writes:

Hello from a fellow Townhaller

Hello.

I would consider it a privilege if you would add my blog "The Tygrrrr Express" http://www.blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com to your list of linked sites if you feel the quality is high.

Happy June.

eric
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 7:02 PM Peppermint writes:

JC

Sorry to disappoint you. LOL
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 7:19 PM davecatbone writes:

Peppermint

I believe our hope lies in the House of Representatives. They must answer for their actions on a regular basis, and they hear us loud and clear. Steve Chabot is a good man, and I'll work to keep him in office. As to the senate, have you ever considered registering as a Dem to vote in their primary, and kill off their strongest candidate?

Jimmy, your one liners consistently crack me up!
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 7:44 PM none06789 writes:

Another Good One

I'm hoping Fred Thompson energizes the base of the party. At least he knows how to communicate and is an astute user of the Internet.

All is never lost. Congress and the Senate only listen when their phones and fax lines are swamped by angry voters.

Keep up the pressure. Make them butt steaks listen to reason. Or vote their sorry butts out.

Any Dem or Republican that votes like a conservative has got my vote.

Everyone else can kiss my (expletive deleted).

Let not your heart be troubled.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 7:55 PM none06789 writes:

A Prescription

This is from Dr. Patriot....LOL

1. Get a copy of
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-God-Country-Encyclopedia-quotations/dp/1880563053

2. Mix up some Bloody Marys. I'll have a Heinecken thanks...LOL

We conservatives are the backbone and the guts of this nation. It is our job to remind Congress of their raison d'être.

It is also our job to throw up a roadblock in the faces of socialist/communist Dhimocrats.

We kicked their (bleeps) before and we'll do it again.

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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 8:09 PM Peppermint writes:

davecatbone

Well, all we have left in our state is our congressmen, but do you believe what they say? I don't know what to think anymore.

I know Chabot is a decent person. Do you know where he stands on this issue of immigration?

We know one thing for sure, both of our senators are sold us out. They need to go.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 8:12 PM Peppermint writes:

Patriot11c

Thanks for the prescription. You go have your beer and enjoy.

Yes, we have to keep the pressure on these guys. No doubt about it. It is really disheartening to me to continually write, fax, email, and call my senators offices to have them just not listen to us. I know I was not the only one in my state to call. They were inundated with calls. And, still they voted for that immigration bill.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 8:31 PM Peppermint writes:

Patriot

Fred Thompson has not made a stand on the immigration bill. He should have come out the day after and said something in support of what the conservatives beat back. But, he didn't. According to PPhil, he was very unimpressive and snuffled.
I'm not sure about him. He is good at communicating, but why didn't he communicate on this?
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 8:34 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

I'm glad someone...

...appreciates real talent when they see it.

Thanks davecatbone.


You should be around when me and Peppermint get on a roll.......
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 8:53 PM Paulie writes:

My guys are great on this


Let's see now...who are my Senators? Oh, yeah: some guys named Kennedy and Kerry.

Congresscritters? How about Barney Frank? You know, old Hot Bottom himself?

Or how about William Delahunt, another Congresscritter from these here parts? Here's a fellow in bed with both Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. I'm sure I'll be able to count on him.

And on and on...and I haven't even gotten to the governor, Deval Patrick, that doesn't want the Legislature to vote on whether or not WE THE CITIZENS of MA should have our very legitimate petition about gay marriage put on the ballot.

Peppermint, you want to talk about frustrated?

At least the Red Sox are in first place.

Good article, as usual, Pep.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 8:54 PM Paulie writes:

And don't anyone

tell me that I deserve these bums.

I never voted for ANY of them.

Ever.

Aargh....
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 9:21 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Peppermint

Excellent analysis of the sorry state that our country is in because of the actions of the "Swimmer" and his likeminded cronies, from both sides of the aisle. Who do we trust? Good question, fair question. Our President has betrayed us on some issues. We have a bunch of RINOS who pretend to be conservatives until it's voting time on crucial issues that will impact our citizens for years. Is there no hope? This is from an old Bible thumper. Perhaps it's time to get serious and take heed of the Old Testament admonition, 2nd Chronicles 7:14: "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 9:34 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Pep

Who would have thought that both Ohio senators vote yea and one Cal senator (Barbara Boxer) votes nea. No problem with her follow-up statement either. She could not vote for a bill that creates a permanent underclass of an ethnic group. Not that I could vote for that dimmest of bulbs, but I couldn't have improved on her statement. The guest worker program is worse than amnesty and that's the part that the libs object to the most. Ok with me. I find the entire bill objectionable.

And I'm keeping my helmet on at all times. I'm ready for the next move.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 9:41 PM xpressit writes:

Sequel coming...

To a place near you. Peppermint, good piece. It is not out of mere emotional “reaction” that people are upset and they reacted. Its from love for the country, which apparently now stands between us and self-serving politicos. (How could they love this country doing what they do?) Its bipartisan and there are equal opportunity offenders on both sides.

Dems promote a view its the Republicans, and corrupt corporate and special interest are the offenders. Yet other citizen cynics quote pogo, We’ve seen the enemy, and the enemy is us”. Not quite right. I also remember the sense of evil politicians/politics growing up. Some like the Quakers shunned politics, and many evangelicals did the same. We found nothing got changed or influenced that way.

That's a ridiculous notion, leave it alone and it will leave you alone. Pa saw a midnight vote for pay raises despite people’s will. Sure, there always was rotten politics. Ignoring the bushel did not fix the problem. They have taken it from a representative republic of "we the people" to almost the polar opposite. And they expect us to play along with their agendas. (don’t forget about those.) The "when a long train of abuses” part still matters and is up to us.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:07 PM xpressit writes:

Paulie

Ha, ha- I'll lend you mine, Schumer and Clinton. Maybe you got me with Frank, and that La Raza support bill. I got that ace Hinchey who wants to indoctrinate our fairness. I guess its from all sides.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:09 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Peppermint

Mark Steyn has an interesting take on the DIMs attempt to pull the wool over our eyes. Here is the link:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/opinion/nationalcolumns/article_1723669.php
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:22 PM Peppermint writes:

JimmyCarter

Ruh roh! Letting out more secrets about us on a roll. Yeah, we can do it up good on some nights...
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:24 PM Peppermint writes:

Paulie

Someone told me the other day, a person who lives in Mass, that he has never found any citizen who supports either the Swimmer or Lurch. So, his thoughts were that the two of them somehow have the elections fixed up there.

I surely wouldn't blame you Paulie. You are far from those guys indeed.

I forgot how bad you guys have it in your state. It's loaded with the p-ants.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:26 PM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeax

Perhaps you're right. We all need to say our prayers and ask for help.

We need to keep up the fight.

Thanks as always for stopping by and giving us your opinion from an ole Korean war vet. And, a very wise man I may add.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:28 PM Peppermint writes:

PPhil

I saw Boxer give her statement and I was just floored.

The left is helping in their own way with this issue. I know the lefties I work with have great concerns about the immigration reform bill but for different reasons than us. But, that's OK. Both sides are helped to kill this bad bill. Maybe next time the pols will come up with something more palatable. If not we'll all be fighting it again for sure.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:32 PM Peppermint writes:

xpressit

You are absolutely right. It is for love of country that people became so indignant over this latest sneaky bill. As I said before the left is outraged too because they don't want jobs to be taken away. They listen to Lou Dobbs on CNN and he has taken this immigration problem by the horns. The lefties listen raptly to him. At least that is what I was told from my lefty co-workers. I found to my amazement that the left was just opposed as those of us on the right. Perhaps, this issue is a blessing in disguise that will help unite more of us.

I'm probably being delusional with that last sentence but who knows.

Yeah, you sure got your losers in New York. Ouch!
UpChuckie Schumer. Ewwwwww. The man makes me sick just hearing his voice. Never mind the Hitlery.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:34 PM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeax

Thanks for the link. I love Mark Steyn and will read it tomorrow when I have more time.

How about your reps? How are they doing on this issue?

You know it helps to keep a tally from all of us from different states so we know who is against us and who is for us and our country.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 10:54 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Peppermint

We have 3 Pubbie reps and one Pubbie Senator who, as best as I can tell, are not RINOS. Unfortunately, my rep is a DIM, Ed Perlmutter, who walks lock step with Nancy Pelooooooosie's nonsensical policies.
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Sunday, June, 10, 2007 11:40 PM Bradford_ writes:

Nice title, Pepp!

Interesting essay too. We may disagree profoundly over politics but we are both in agreement that POLITICIANS are, by and large, a corrupt, self-serving bunch.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 12:37 AM BrianR writes:

Heads up

I just posted a new blog essay, a consideration of "The Nature of Freedom".
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 1:28 AM Purplegimp writes:

Peppermint

Well said, girl! That bill not passing actually gave me a little hope that the congress critters actually do listen if enough people speak up, even though they tried so hard to deny that they were swayed by voter reaction to their nefarious plan. Maybe someone could convince Swimmer Teddy D-Chappaquiddick to take that bill (and maybe the other Bill) for a car ride over a bridge?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:10 AM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeax

OH, you have my sympathy. Walking lockstep with RedNanny is an awful scenario. But, at least you have 3 pubs who are good.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:12 AM Peppermint writes:

Brad

OMG. We agree on something. I can't believe it. I thought you'd come on here setting the place on fire like usual. Thanks for the compliment about the title. JC thought it was killing Clinton. LOL
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:14 AM Peppermint writes:

Purplegimp

Oh, how nice it would be if the Swimmer took another dip, and with the bill as you said. Kill two birds with one stone. The swimmer would float though like Michael Moore.

Yeah, even though the critters all deny it, they were trumped on this one.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:16 AM Peppermint writes:

Brad

So I forgot to ask you. What is your take on Voinivich and Brown? What do you think of these two?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:32 AM Dan874 writes:

Good Reading

This one was outstanding. How long till we become the USSA? I know that every generation sees the end of the republic, I am starting to believe that we really are nearing the end unless some drastic changes are made in the swamp (DC).
Or maybe they've all spent too much time in the swamp and what we are seeing now are their delusions brought on from swamp fever.At least that would be more comforting than reality.
We can only pray that maybe the sheeple will breakout of their Paris induced hypnosis enough to vote our non-representative government out and replace it with real leaders. The long term result if this doesn't occur is either a socialist 3rd world nation or the American Revolution part 2.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:59 AM none06789 writes:

Followup

Fred Thompson has not made a stand on the immigration bill. He should have come out the day after and said something in support of what the conservatives beat back. But, he didn't. According to PPhil, he was very unimpressive and snuffled.
I'm not sure about him. He is good at communicating, but why didn't he communicate on this?

Not quite Pep. Here's his views:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/FredThompson/2007/05/19/the_immigration_bill_comprehensive_or_incomprehensible
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 8:10 AM none06789 writes:

Politicians

Politicians are like little children. Sometimes you gotta hold their hands to lead them in the right direction. Sometimes you got to pat them on the back to encourage them. And sometimes you just got to kick their (expletve deleted).

If they resurrect the immigration bill, they deserve another beat down.

Christmas (elections) is comming, and I'm keeping a list and checking it twice. Gonna find out which of my representatives have been naughty or nice.

Some of them are getting coal in their stockings.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 8:19 AM The Crawfish writes:

PPhil and Boxer

She wouldn't vote for any bill that would make a permanent underclass? Has she voted for welfare payments to those who are too lazy to get a job? Who's policies led to the permanent underclass in New Orleans, where the cops were scared to go into parts of Ninth Ward?

She's lying her tail section off.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 10:16 AM willibeaux writes:

Yo Peppermint

It's that time again. Let's have a little fun.


HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK

1. Open new files in your computer.

2. Name them "Babs Boxer", "Jon Carry", and "Chuckie Hagel".

3. Send them to the trash.

4. Empty the trash.

5. Your PC will ask you, "Do you really want to get
rid of "Babs Boxer", "Jon Carry", and "Chuckie Hagel"?

6. Firmly Click "Yes."

7. Feel better.

PS: On Wednesday we'll do another grand slam. "Rosie (Lard A**) O'Donnell", "Big Al Gore" and "Little Al Sharpton".
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 1:35 PM BrianR writes:

Again, this turkey ain't dead yet!

Jorge's said he's going to try to twist arms when he gets back.

We need to drive a stake through it before it'll go away.

You know, I voted for Bush twice, and don't regret it, but he's definitely lost me fully over this issue. I can hardly stand to look at the guy anymore.


This was defintely "A Bill Too Far".
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 1:37 PM Goshawk writes:

Fine article Pep

And well written! Like you, I have lost all faith in our present government to preserve our Republic. I don't believe a word any politician says from either party.

You constantly hear people say "I want to know how a candidate stands on the issues." In my opinion the 'issues' mean nothing to them outside of being used as a tool to manipulate the masses. They will lie and say anything required to win a voting block.

The corrupt politicians have been slowly overriding the Constitution in order to establish control through Usurpation. And "We The People" have become an obstacle to overcome.

You can be sure "Amnesty" will be granted to these millions of illegals, one way or the other. The rotten pols need them to dilute our vote.

As Vic said in another column "What we need is another Constitutional Convention." That failing, an all out revolution is our last hope of saving the Republic!
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 2:00 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Good article, again.

Some tough talk, but perhaps necessary. I certainly hope we can trust and rely on our representatives...
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 3:39 PM Goshawk writes:

Virginia Daddy

As per my post above. I believe we can cannot trust or rely on our so-called Representatives. Because they no longer represent us The People. They represent only themselves and the power of the government to control the people. Pure Socialism.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 3:39 PM Bradford. writes:

Ya know

I'm ashamed to admit this, but I don't follow statehouse politics as much as I should, and I'm not too much up to speed on Ohio politics (apart from the major news stories). I know Voinovich isn't liked by conservatives and that Brown is taking some flak from both right and left over his support of Strickland's education budget. The Toledo paper is full of the 'scandal' over Gillmoor's residency (supposedly owns a house in his electoral district but never lives there)--I say 'scandal' because I'm sure every politico has a similar scam going, somewhere.....
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 3:44 PM Bradford. writes:

..and Pepp

populism is a position that unites both right and left I think; if a candidate could reach out to those voters (like the famous populist movement back in the 1890s), there'd be a real fight for power in Washington. Unfortunately the two party system is just that--a system, with all possible angles covered and palms greased. I forgoy who it was who said that Repubs and Democrats are generally just two wings of the same party, but that's about right, I think. Depressing.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 3:53 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

patriot11c

The link for Thompson was from mid-May. That is all well and good that Thompson has the correct opinion. My point was that he has to ACT on his opinion when the time is right. Running for president is more than submitting essays. By not jumping all over the amnesty defeat, he missed a golden opportunity to kill the bill once and for all and ride the wave of gratitude to the WH. Why didn't he? Is he just the next in line to give a try as portraying himself as the pied piper appease the monied interests? How many layers do we have to peel off of this onion before we get to the onion part?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 3:54 PM onceamarine writes:

Peppermint

Very good writing, I like your style.

Hope you will permit me one observation.

The word democratic when possessive, as in the Democratic party. The correct form is Democrat or Democrats party. Democratic would refer to their political operations, as in they are a very democratic party. LOL

You and I both know they are not very democratic preferring instead to ramrod their candidates through the primary process leaving us with the choice between the republican who was ram rodded through from above or the Democrat also ram rodded by his party.

That is why yesterday I suggested that no one give money to either party, but only to the local candidate of your choice.

Do not give to the parties, only to your local candidate of choice. That will break the back of the national power centers, and return to the states and districts control over who gets the nomination for any party.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 3:58 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

onceamarine

That may be grammatically correct, but the common usage is to Democratic party. Bush or Romney or some Republican was recently reamed for making that mistake.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 4:59 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Goshawk

I am being merely hopeful...

I understand the potential reality.

Its a shame, isn't it?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:10 PM Peppermint writes:

Dan874

Good to see you. I think the pols are quite delusional and drunk with power. Hence they feel they can do whatever they want w/o consequences.

We, the voters, have been giving these guys too many passes in the past. But, I do believe that the era of unmitigated power is about to end for these people.

More and more Americans are awaking from their dream state and realizing these guys don't have our best interests in mind.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:14 PM Peppermint writes:

patriot11C

I think Fred Thompson had an opportunity to break out of the mold here right after the immigration bill went down. If he were a smart pol, he would have taken the chance to side with the American people and probably gained a lot of potential voters. I think he made a big mistake on this. He could have said, "let's get that fence up now", like the people want. But, he missed the chance. That doesn't sit well with me. Now, he looks just like the other candidates, shuffling around trying to come up with some resolution for the "illegals" in here, and missing the boat entirely.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:19 PM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeax, Crawfish, and Brian

Willi, thanks for the usual laugh of the day. Put them all in the trash bin!

Crawfish, Boxer is a socialist through and through.

Brian, Yes, I heard jorge is going to twist arms and butt heads. He is determined to get this bill. I voted twice for him too. And, I see this and wonder what the hey is he doing? I keep hearing this is for his legacy. What legacy, the one for Mexico?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:22 PM Peppermint writes:

Goshawk

As you and I have talked about his, I know you feel the same as I do that none of these guys can be trusted. What to do with them? We need to bounce every last one of them out, except for the ones who are truly for the people. Then, you start wondering how can you tell? Their words mean nothing. How many times do they tell us this will get done or that and nothing happens.

How many times can they tell us a fence is going to be built for the border and it sits there not being done, moving at a snail's pace with them thinking they are fooling us.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:24 PM Peppermint writes:

VADaddy

You are in denial. Trust these pols? After what they just did? You must be kidding.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:26 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Depressing is an understatement. It's almost to despair. We have no real choices presented to us, but one crooked guy against the other crooked guy.
It's a pick the least crooked I guess. I'm awful weary of the whole system.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:29 PM Peppermint writes:

onceamarine

You're a newcomer and thanks for stopping by and adding your comments.

LOL! When the RNC recently sent me their letter with their little donation card, I sent it back to them with the following: "No money until the borders are secured". I also wrote "traitors" across the card. Probably a wee bit over the top, but it felt good. And what do I care what they thought.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:31 PM Peppermint writes:

PPhil

Thanks for straightening out that little thing about Democratic party. I just always referred to it as that. Even though they are not very democratic, but socialists instead.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:32 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Nah

Ever hopeful, if not naive :)

We can change anything given us. Its called the power of the vote.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:35 PM Peppermint writes:

VADaddy

I understand wanting to "hope" but it gets us nowhere. We can't just hope, we have to take action. I know you are trying to be positive and I certainly can appreciate a positive attitude, but we have a real big fight on our hands with these guys. They are going to keep trying to shove stuff at us that we don't want.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:42 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Question for you. Who is your Congressman? Mine is Boehner. Just curious.

And, I didn't know about that scandal thing you wrote. What is that all about?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 5:58 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Then Pepp

We keep voting and raising hell.

And you're right, it is a big fight.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 6:14 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Peppermint etal

I think I have a solution to deal with both the high gasoline prices and the illegal alien fiasco. This just might work.


Subject: need a push for your RV??

Just a note to tell you that my mailbox is being
flooded with mail concerning gas prices and illegal immigrants.
To boycott oil companies or not; to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc.

Since I have become jaded to the various solutions
proposed by the Republicans, Democrats, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc., I have elected to solve the problems as they affect me.

My response solves both my gas and illegal immigrant problems.....

I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car.
They're plentiful and cheaper than buying gas. Then I pay them in Pesos so they have to go
home to spend it.

Don't you love it when a plan comes together?



____________________________________________________________________________________
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 6:39 PM Bradford_ writes:

Pepp

Paul Gillmor (I live in the 5th District). Here's an excerpt from a May 2007 Washington Post story to give you a flavor of what's being flung around....

"Rep. Paul Gillmor (R-Ohio) has a nifty new 3,751-square-foot, four-bedroom house in suburban Columbus, Ohio, next to a golf course designed by the great Arnold Palmer.

The $1 million house has some unusual characteristics. It's not in his congressional district, but sits about 90 minutes away from the condo that he uses as his official residence.

Even more curious is that Gillmor's name appears nowhere on the property records. The Toledo Blade, after some fine digging by reporter Joshua Boak, found that the owner is Zenith Holding & Trading Corp.

That, in turn, is a subsidiary of a Columbus law and lobbying firm -- Vorys, Sater, Seymour and Pease -- whose PAC has contributed $6,500 to Gillmor's campaigns since 1997.

The firm sent the paper a letter saying that Zenith has the property in trust "at the request of, and for the benefit of" Gillmor, who paid the mortgage and taxes."

...and so on.....
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:30 PM Peppermint writes:

VADaddy and WilliBeax

We will have to fight again. Jorge Bush wants this bill passed.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:32 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Well, like we've already said they are all crooks.

Living like kings while the rest of us hobble out a living paying all the taxes to support every stupid pork barrel project they can think of.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:38 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

The bill will not get through...

Hell will break lose if it does.

As much as I respect the man, he is stubborn as hell. But we must fight to keep it out... He is a driven man.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:44 PM Peppermint writes:

VADaddy

Absolutely, we need to fight like hell. I have never seen such a stubborn man as Bush. The people already told him they don't want this deeply flawed bill.
What is the matter with him anyway? Has he lost his mind?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:47 PM Peppermint writes:

VADaddty

I just read Mike Pence's article on what he believes would be a better bill. It starts off with securing the border first. That's all we want, is our borders secured. For goodness sake, what other country would allow this, people running across their borders with no idea who they are.

It is truly an enigma that the president of this country would allow this to go on during this time in our history and facing the greatest threat we have ever faced with Islamic terrorists. And, he won't secure the borders.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:49 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Wish I knew.

I think he is deeply principled. As such, he loses sight of what is most important...

I also don't think he cares much what the polls and such say. Either that or he's insulated from it and does not know...
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 7:50 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

I still don't know

what's best to do with the folks established here... back forth on that, but I absolutely know we must close that border. Anything short of that is a failure.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 8:41 PM Peppermint writes:

VADaddy

Well, we can decide what to do with those folks here after the border is sealed. It doesn't seem to make much sense to do something about them until we have a secure border and no more illegals are running over.
My son has a friend in the Ntl. Guard who is down on the border and he said since this Z card or whatever it is presented in this bill, there has been a huge increase in people coming across the border to get in on the "amnesty".
They will continue to do so until they know we aren't going to give them amnesty and allow law breakers to become citizens. We all know none of these people are going to step forward and pay any fines. Like why bother?
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 9:06 PM none06789 writes:

Hey Pep

Not to change the subject (cough)....If interested, I wrote a new article. You are welcome to comment.

(Not a shameless promotion)...
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 9:12 PM Peppermint writes:

patriot11C

OK. On my way over.
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Monday, June, 11, 2007 9:50 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Yes Indeed

You are right. The border must and absolutely be closed. Anything short of that will not at all stop the problem and will actually perpetuate it. Really, who wouldn't try to take advantage of it? (I ask rhetorically.)

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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 11:13 AM Buck writes:

One Glaring Fact

Every one of the dicheads was elected to office by the American people.

If even one that has pushed this amnesty, if even one is reelected in '08, it is a shame on the people, not the crooks they sent back to DC.

Demonstrations? We don't need no stinkin' demonstrations.

We might need to march on Washington, though.

Teddy Kennedy, the Florence Chadwick of Chappaquiddick needs to take a "Skipper Ireson's Ride"

John McCain needs a Greyhound ticket to Nuevo Laredo, complete with armed escord, as befitting an Admiral in the US Navy, right up to the bridge.

John Murtha needs to be embedded with a Marine unit in Iraq for a couple of months.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 12:06 PM The Crawfish writes:

Di Fi and Spector

Senator Spector (or is that S.P.E.C.T.R.E.???), who's state I live in (not reside...I'm just here as long as the Navy keeps me here), said yesterday that he has no confidence in the Attorney General. I sent him an e-mail today saying that I have no confidence in him to uphold the principles of the GOP or conservatives.

On the other hand, Senator Di Fi (D-LaLaLand) said that most of the opposition to the amnesty bill was racist. I e-mailed her saying the racists are in organizations such as: La Raza, LULAC, NAACP, The Urban League, Congressional Black Caucus, Congressional Hispanic Caucus, and politicians who support entitlement programs that create a permanent underclass that is predominantly minority.

I doubt I'll get any kind of positive reply from either.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 12:08 PM BrianR writes:

Heads up, Brad!

You're becoming a conservative!

Just thought I'd warn ya ahead of time.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 12:54 PM Sangrun writes:

So mad

I'm so mad at politicians these days I can't think about it to long. When does it give, when do we break? How are we supposed to be good law abiding citizens when you find out all the garbage they are pulling. Dick Morris was on Hannity's radio show yesterday naming the sons ans daughters of senators and congressmen who work for lobbyists whose job it is to lobby their parents and it is legal, but c'mon! The system works, but it only passes with a "D" grade.
These people up on the hill are going to push us too far and then what? Civil war, revolution, and a break down of our country. These people have a lot of responsibility and they ought to think more of it. This isn't the dark old days, we all sit out here on the net and pass e-mails around. News moves fast and they ought to respond much faster to us.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 2:58 PM The Crawfish writes:

Sangrun

Glenn Beck was saying today that the last time he was down in TX, he was hearing a lot of folks saying something along the lines of "at least we've got our guns when the time comes" and other pre-revolutionary type talk.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 3:08 PM Scottie writes:

Two Thoughts

You must have beeeeeeeg rats to need Hatori Hanzo steel! Huge!

And if you need something to believe in, join me; I belive I'll have another beer.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 3:10 PM Bradford. writes:

BrianR

No way!!! A populist maybe....

And Crawfish, that was an interesting comment. I suspect that such talk is frustration more than anything else although, who knows, a few people on the fringes may be pushed to take some radical action. I suspect however that a few peashooters will prove ineffectual against the combined might of heavily-armed state and federal law enforcement. Just sayin.'
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 3:30 PM Georgetwin writes:

Pepper

Thank You for stopping by. I am well on my way to being reviled! For whatever reason, Fowl Donahue and MikeR have taken a personal dislike to me and go out of their way to double-team ANY post I make. ! Those two losers deserve each other. You may have noticed I try to poke Liberals in the eye any chance I get. I DO mean what I say, but between You, Me, BrianR, Gunny, etc., my aim is to draw any Liberals that are watching comments into a SCRAP!

My Blog Philosophy is to point out The Hypocrisy of The American Left. SO MANY people don’t get it! On the surface, Liberal Feelgood Policies (Stop Global Warming, Universal Health Care, etc.) SOUNDS GOOD! We TownHallers KNOW THE TRUTH and YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! That is where I am coming from. I have an uphill fight with my own family between now and 2008. My Mom, My Brother, My Wife and I get it. My Sister and My Niece DON’T!

Lieberman is moving GLACIALLY to The Right. Many New England Liberals are just a fraction away from Rockefeller Republicans, so I feel that is where he will end up.

Paris COULD come out of this with A Different Outlook. Her problem will be when she starts hanging out with her Same Old Friends, Peer Pressure has caused more harm to more people than we will ever know.

I am somewhat familiar with Harford County. A few years back, I had a fiancée in Fallston. We LOVED eating at The Manor Tavern and several other places along The Baltimore/Harford border. I am not the biggest Maryland Seafood fan, but I like Flounder, Tuna Steak and the like.

I liked your Blog. Keep up The Good Work! These next 18 months are CRITICAL to The Survival of America. So STAY SHARP, KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY and FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!

PS Have You Heard from Gunny? He hasn’t been around much and that’s not like him.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:16 PM Peppermint writes:

Buck

You got a good point there about the pols being elected by Americans. I hope people get smart and vote them out next time around.

I like all your suggestions on what to do with certain notorious pols.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:19 PM Peppermint writes:

Crawfish

Keep writing those letters even if you don't get a response, you know they are hearing you. That's why the bill got stalled because we were all writing and calling. They stopped for now, but the pols will try to bring it back. And, Jorge made his speech to them this afternoon, trying to round up all the repubs to his side. Don't know how that will come out, but the pols better be ready to take a bashing.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:36 PM Nee writes:

VaDaddy

I am right there with you...Fir sure I border the naive category...naivley still believing in good...I won't give up the fight, ever!!
I got lucky, Dole voted no.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:37 PM Peppermint writes:

Sangrun

So glad you came in from the wilderness to comment.
Of course you are right. Our pols should respond to us a lot better and more quickly than they do, but they don't agree with us. So, they take their time while they wheel and deal behind closed doors to put the screws to us.

Yeah, it is not the dark old days but the pols must think it is. Actually, obviously they don't care one hoot. If they cared about our country and us they would do what the majority of Americans want, build that fence.

I would give the government an F at this point. Failures most of them in my estimation.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:51 PM Peppermint writes:

Scottie

I have no idea what you posted. I've read it several times and still can't figure it out.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:54 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Oh, I think you're coming over to our side too. I think you are a conservative coming out of the liberal closet. :-D

We'll convince you. I have faith in it.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:55 PM Peppermint writes:

Nee

Lucky you with Dole. Some of us got the good ones, some the bad. I sure don't give up on my fellow Americans. I just give up on the pols.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 4:59 PM Peppermint writes:

Georgetwin

Thanks for coming by.

Good, you get two lib posters dogging you. That means you got them riled up. Let them squeal and the more they say the dumber they look. Hal Donohue is a loon who claims he fought the Hizzies. When Purplegimp and I asked him when and where he wouldn't answer. Purplegimp is in Israel so she knows exactly what goes on there. He made a fool of himself. If you notice about some of the loonier libs they claim all kinds of things that can easily be discredited. MikeR is another nutjob.

Actually after awhile you'll eventually not even want to engage with those two. They are so far out there.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 5:02 PM Peppermint writes:

Oh, Georgetwin

I forgot to answer you question I don't know where Gunnyg is. I haven't seen him around lately.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 5:05 PM xpressit writes:

Peppermint

Bush has become the poster child for stubborn arrogance. We can't misunderestimate it. Yea, they're all on the dole for the taking, but if he needs to be the example to make the point,he can wear it proudly. Its a worthy sacrifice - and cut the losses. He forgot to factor in that the people have nothing to loose by opposing it.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 5:14 PM davecatbone writes:

Pepp

Sherrod Brown emailed me. He copped out, said the bill didn't come to a vote, but if it did, he'd keep my opinions in mind. Didn't say what HIS opinion was. Guess I can figure that out though.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:03 PM Peppermint writes:

xpressit

Jorge Bush is stubborn all right. And, a lot of other things. I don't understand why this is so important to him unless that North American Union thing is really true. A lot of people say it is a conspiracy theory and a bunch of rot, but I start to wonder.

Bush could have tried getting something else for his legacy like Social Security reform. He didn't fight half as hard as he has on this immigration bs.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:05 PM Peppermint writes:

davecat

Brown is not only a dim, but a coward too. He can't even tell you which way he would vote. Saying the bill went down, but tries to slide out of it not saying he was for it.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:14 PM xpressit writes:

Pepp

Yea, amazing what he chooses to fight on and when. Or what he expects to be done in a backroom, and people to go along for the ride. The problem is that corrupts any good agenda. Which brings me full circle to what in his policy can we support? He has been very stingy about giving us something to be "for" and rally about. Global policies anyone? (never mind that border)I'm all for seeing a foriegn threat, but I'mm all about seeing a domestic one too. He's earned the ire of the people.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:23 PM Peppermint writes:

xpressit

He certainly has "earned" ire. And, he doesn't really seem to care either. I know he doesn't care about polls. He's always said that. But, when 80% of the country tells you that they don't want this, you would think he would listen at least.

There is nothing to support in this bill because it has all to do with giving Mexico gifts. Nothing in this for us but more taxes to be paid.

He cuts taxes giving us all a break, then wants all these illegals in here who are going to cost us an arm and leg. Doesn't make sense. I guess he wants businesses to get the breaks in paying wages. I don't believe for one minute that anyone would be cracking down on the employers hiring illegals.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:33 PM xpressit writes:

Somewhere over the rainbow...

There is something "in" it alright. Giant bureacracy. To the gills, one reason Dems will cave. (Oversight is a parasite). And a few years after the HS consolidation. It may make government bigger, but not necessarily more effective. (at what it is really for - joke is on us)
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:47 PM Peppermint writes:

xpressit

Some joke!

I was just over at Brian's reading how kilroy got the smack down from Steve Baloney, the arrogant know it all. Then I saw your comment at the end. He'll probably ignore you. He claims to not answer "ignorant" people.

That guy is a nut job IMHO. He calls everyone a racist who doesn't agree with the "illegal immigration" bill.
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 7:53 PM xpressit writes:

Okie dokie

I plead ignorance...proudly LOL
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Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 8:22 PM Peppermint writes:

xpressit

LOL! You're not the only one.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 12:42 AM BrianR writes:

Bush can add

to No Child Left Behind the new version: No Illegal Alien Left Behind.

There's a "legacy" for ya.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 5:56 AM Peppermint writes:

BrianR

LOL! That is a good one. NO illegal left behind.
I like that one, very clever.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:03 AM davecatbone writes:

Brian

A winning strategy for 2008 would be No Illegals Left Behind Our Borders.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:19 AM The Crawfish writes:

Brad

the fact that the populace doesn't have the firepower to actually have a revolt without the help of major military units is a sad commentary on how far we've come from the ideals of the Founding Fathers. Remember that Jefferson said "a little revolt from time to time is a good thing." or sumthin to that effect. That was part of the reasoning behind the First Amendment. The government needed to know that the population wouldn't abide by tyrannical government.

If, on the other hand, the military sat it out or sided with the Constitutionalists... Remember that our oaths aren't to the government. They are to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign AND domestic. We also pledge to obey the LAWFUL orders of those over us, but the Uniform Code of Military Justice requires us to disobey unlawful orders.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 10:06 AM willibeaux writes:

To who Cares


At the risk of being called a racist and a bigot, which I don't give a rats rear end about, I'm developing a very narrow mind set about
solutions for resolving this immigration crisis. Our Government should do the following:
1. Appropriate the funds for building the fence (legislation passed last year) and get 'er done.
2. Enforce all of the laws that are currently on the books.
3. Sock the employers who are hiring the illegals with heavy fines, which should dry up the job opportunities. With no jobs, most will have to go home.
4. Do NOT issue "Z" visas under any circumstances.
5. Do NOT set up a "Road to citizenship" program. Make the illegals who have permission to stay stand in line behind those who have entered legally.

BTW, I fully approve and accept any citizen from any foreign country who
seeks citizenship here by following the legal procedures.

An ole Korean War Vet (77 years young) who is strongly set in his ways.



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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 10:06 AM BrianR writes:

No, guys, re a revolt

Go to my latest essay and scroll a bit up the comments from the bottom. I actually discussed a real scenario of an armed revolt, and it is very doable.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 10:13 AM BrianR writes:

Armed uprising scenario

Okay, here's where I discussed it at my blog. The comment is date-stamped: Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 12:00 PM, on my latest essay, if you're interested.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 11:07 AM Bradford. writes:

BrianR

No disrespect to you (you do, after all, have combat experience), but if you really believe that "a small guerilla force good enough to stay alive and give the opfor some grief" is the way to go you're living in an alternate reality.

The state has the monopoly on munitions and propaganda. Any band of "constitutionalist guerillas" would end up like the TH equivalent of the Symbionese Liberation Army--barbecued somewhere live on televison.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 3:13 PM BrianR writes:

Actually, Brad

the state doesn't have anywhere near a monopoly on arms and ammunition.

There are app 250 million privately owned guns in the country, and billions of rounds of ammo. App 130 million households contain guns legally.

The entire military force consists of about 1.5 million active duty total worldwide, and about 1.3 million in reserves and national guard.

The civilian populace VASTLY outnumbers the military both in numbers and weaponry, EVEN ASSUMING you could get the military to cooperate in suppressing a rebellion of their own friends, family, neighbors, etc., which would presuppose all the military personnel would agree to the government's actions.

Mao said "power grows from the barrel of a gun" and he was exactly right, which is why the first -- FIRST -- action of any repressive government is to disarm the civilian populace.



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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 3:42 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Pepp

It's that time again for some humor.


HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK

1. Open new files in your computer.

2. Name them "Rosie O'Donnell", "Big Al Gore", and "Little Al Sharpton".

3. Send them to the trash.

4. Empty the trash.

5. Your PC will ask you, "Do you really want to get rid of "Rosie O'Donnell", "Big Al Gore", and "Little Al Sharpton"?

6. Firmly Click "Yes."

7. Feel better.

PS: On Friday we'll do another grand slam. "John McCain", "Arlen Spector" and "Lindsey Graham".
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 5:42 PM Peppermint writes:

Crawish and Brian

Just what the Founding Fathers meant by an armed militia of the people. They did not want the people to put up with another King George. And, now we got one. LOL
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 5:43 PM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeau

I like you rules, all of them. No bigotry to just want the laws enforce. And, thanks for the humor.

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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 5:44 PM Peppermint writes:

davecat

That's a good slogan too.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 5:45 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

I guess you lose on that argument. Looks like Brian and Crawfish spelled it out pretty well.

No offense to you, but the rest of us have guns.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 6:24 PM Bradford_ writes:

ur

no.....but you freedom fighters go ahead.......
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 6:34 PM Bradford_ writes:

BrianR

Forgive me if I find the prospect of 130 million households pulling an NLF on the powers that be a little far-fetched.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 6:41 PM BrianR writes:

Bradford, that's fine

But your refusal doesn't change the facts. Historical precedent:

The Communist takeover of China

The Bolshevik takeover of Russia

Oh, yeah, the American Revolution.

And those are only the major countries that would be the most difficult.

Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Malaysia, Uganda, South Africa.

Dude, it happens ALL THE TIME!


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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:14 PM Paulie writes:

Chiming in here


Brad,

One of the problems that many on the left have is that they take the wrong things seriously and serious things lightly.

IMO, BrianR, Crawfish, Pep, et al are absolutlely on point at what we may be forced to do. And I'm with them all the way.

"Those that ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them", or something to that effect.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:16 PM Bradford_ writes:

Paulie

How many do you think make up that "we"?
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:21 PM Bradford_ writes:

BrianR

Your examples are misleading. China in 1949, Russia in 1917 and, yes, the colonies in 1776, were all agricultural, highly traditional societies lacking the media saturation of our own society. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Can you point to an example of a technologically sophisticated, media-rich society that has been overthrown by "the people" (rather than a military coup)?
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:22 PM Bradford_ writes:

Maybe

South Africa..........
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:23 PM Paulie writes:

How many?


Hard to say; my sense is there are far more of us than you want to realize.

I know that I'm fairly PO'd at this national disgrace while dealing with my state representatives that don't want to allow a legal citizens' petition to reach the ballot.

Not to get off topic, but the MA Supreme Court created "legal" (there's that word again) gay marriage out of thin air.

We the people would like to have a vote on that, up or down. Created a petition with (I believe, don't quote me here) nearly 300,000 signatures.

Legislature doesn't want to add it to the ballot.

Think I'm the only one feeling squeezed here?

This is the kind of BS that only goes so far until there is blowback.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 7:26 PM Paulie writes:

apples and oranges: really?


The only differences are the levels of sophistication of each society at the time of the revolts; the principles motivating the revolts are eerily similar.

And, after all, people need to be motivated to act.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:32 PM Peppermint writes:

Bradford

The Hungarian Revolt in recent history 1956

On October 23, 1956, students and workers gathered around the statue of General Bem in front of the Polish Embassy. The protestors boycotted work and demanded "A Socialist Hungary, truly independent; Imre Nagy reinstated in his former office; the State established on a new economic basis; new leaders for the Party and government; those responsible for mistakes held accountable at a public trial…" (Radio Budapest). Premier Hegedus could not control the revolt. At first, he sent the Secret Police, know as AVO, to stop the rebels. Tear gas was sent into the crowd and many of the students were taken into AVO's custody. When the crowd attempted to free the captive insurgents, the secret police opened fire on men, women, and children as well as the student protestors. The Hungarian Police arrived shortly after that and gave up their weapons to the protesters after hearing of the AVO shooting. The now armed students outnumbered the secret police. Finally, Hegedus called for Soviet assistance and declared Martial Law.

The Soviet armies could not stop the revolt either. Some soldiers were defeated, but many joined the resistance. The soldiers were hopeful of a new system in place of Communism. They draped the new Hungarian flag over their tanks and fought with the people of Hungary.

On October 24th, Nagy was named premier of Hungary in place of Hegedus. Nagy immediately took the students and workers side. On October 27th, Nagy announced that he was forming a new government. Nagy said that he would be the head of the new government and there would be three non-communists in the cabinet. On October 30th, the new government is put into play. Nagy abolished the one-party system, so the new government was a coalition government called The National Peasant Party. It was later renamed The Petofi Party. Nagy also announced that there would be economic reforms and free elections, demanded that the USSR take back their troops, and he withdrew from the Warsaw Pact, making Hungary a neutral nation.

At first, the Soviets seemed to accept the demands of the protesters and took their tanks out of Budapest. The USSR, although withdrawing their troops, did not go all the way back to the Soviet Union like they had promised. On November 3rd, reinforcements arrived on the border to Hungary.

On November 4th, 1956, the Soviet army returned, this time crushing the revolt. Imre Nagy announced the attack over the radio in his famous, and last speech to the Hungarian people: "Soviet troops attacked our capital with the obvious purpose to overthrow the legitimate Hungarian democratic government. Our troops are fighting. The government is in its place."

In addition to Nagy's address, radio signals were broadcasted all over pleading with the Western Powers to "HELP HUNGARY!" Unfortunately, the United States' Containment Policy precluded aiding revolts against communism because Hungary was already communist when the policy was created; The US did not intervene in the Hungarian Revolt.

Many of the soldiers in the second invasion did not even know where they were. Some though that they were in East Germany, and others thought that they were in the Suez Canal Zone. They had no idea that they were crushing a revolt against communism until they came in contact with their forced enemies. To keep the army's intensity up, Generals would execute people that were not carrying out orders. For instance, a tank driver that took a detour to avoid driving over women and children blocking the street was murdered on the spot.

The Soviets took control of the airports and other major buildings. Within a few days, they had put a new government in place, but the revolt was still going strong. The second invasion had actually made the insurgents more determined to beat out Communism. Everyone fought from women to children to the elderly fought the Communist soldiers. They were determined to keep their homeland free.

Eventually, the great numbers of soldiers along with their weapons took control of the entire country. The Revolt was over, but the resistance wouldn't end until Communism was out of Eastern Europe forever.



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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:34 PM Peppermint writes:

Hungary continued.....

More than 20,000 Hungarian protestors lay dead. At least 200,000 living rebels fled west, hoping to escape from the Communist system. Others who stayed were arrested and then executed.

Nagy fled to the Yugoslav embassy where he was offered protection from the November 4th invasion. Nagy was on a Yugoslav bus that was taken over by Soviets. This time, Janos Kadar, Nagy's party secretary, replaced Nagy as premier. Moscow offered money and aid to Hungary even though Nagy's statements were taken back. No free elections or economic reforms were made. On June 16, 1958, after being in jail for almost two years, Imre Nagy was secretly tried and executed.

The USSR was still scared of what had happened in Hungary. They sent natural resources into the country to keep the people happy and prevent another revolt. Khrushchev said, "We shall shut their mouths with goulash."

Although many saw the Hungarian Revolt as a loss, it was in truth a victory. The revolution had succeeded until the USSR returned to stomp out the fire of revolt on November 4th. In addition, the "Bloody" Revolt proved to the rest of the satellite countries of the USSR that there was another way to live: free of Communism.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:39 PM BrianR writes:

Yeah, it doesn't matter

whether a society is agricultural or technological. Actually, a technological society is even EASIER to knock over, if you know what you're doing.

Cripple a few vital comms centers, knock out power grid relays or substations, and you've disabled entire areas or segments of a region.

One substation in the city in which I live would throw the whole place into darkness until repaired.

Eight miled from my front door is the LA Dept of Water and Power generating station for all of north LA County -- completely unguarded.



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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:43 PM Peppermint writes:

Paulie

You're absolutely right. "the principles motivating the revolts are eerily similar."
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:44 PM Peppermint writes:

BrianR

I think we should appoint you the Commander of Ops
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:47 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Come on Brad, you know you want to join us. You believe in the crookedness of the pols too. Join the gang and get your guns loaded and ready to go.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:51 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

You'd be surprise how many make up the "we". Lefties are just as upset. When I hear the most leftist person I work with agree that the National Guard should be armed on the border and shoot, I know the gubmint is in trouble. Now, we're talking about the left meeting the right on this issue.

This lefty said she is mad as heck at her dems for this.

This is an American issue, not a right or left.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 8:57 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Pepp

Check your e-mail. Thanks
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 9:15 PM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeax

Okie dokie you ole Korean war vet.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 9:37 PM Paulie writes:

Brad? Brad?

Hello?

Sheesh, Brad...you make some comments, ask some questions...

Where'd you go?

Pep's ready to recruit you; heck, she may even bring you back to life in the diary.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 9:42 PM Peppermint writes:

Paulie

If Brad wants to join us, he can live again. Freely this time w/o socialist rules. I'm sick of socialist infringements on my freedoms. Aren't you?

Yeah, where did Brad go?
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 9:48 PM willibeaux writes:

Yo Peppermint

Thank you for the excellent history lesson and reminder of what happened to those brave Hungarians when they tried to resist Communism. My family and I were living in the Washington D. C. suburbs. at the time.
It’s been the tradition in DC at Christmas time to have the National Christmas Tree set up on the Ellipse across from the front of the White House and you have probably seen many Presidents turn on the lights. It was also the tradition (and maybe still is) to have traditional Christmas decorations from a number of other countries set up on the Ellipse also. We went to visit the display in December of 1956. To our dismay and sadness, the Hungarian display consisted of charred wood and other rubble, and a scrawny, bare evergreen tree. What a message!! The illustrious UN as well as Western Powers (USA included) stood by and let those dear brave (women and children included) freedom fighters be run over and slaughtered by Russian tanks. Shame, shame on us. Pepp, as I write this , I’m more & more convinced that we cannot abandon those brave Iraqis who are tasting freedom for the first time. It’s costing this generation dearly to try to maintain that freedom like it has for all of our previous generations who “stepped up” to the plate when called to do so. Freedom is not free. Just go to any National Cemetery and count the white head markers.
I hope that you will have a chance to read that article that I sent you.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 9:55 PM Peppermint writes:

WilliBeax

Of course, you are so right. I recall those tanks as well as they killed so many in Hungary. As I was telling someone else, my mother was Hungarian and I remember watching in horror and thinking the same thing. Wasn't someone going to help them? It was an incredible scene and you are right, it is shameful that no one helped them.

If we abandon the Iraqis I imagine there will be mass slaughter.
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 10:00 PM BrianR writes:

LOL, Pepp

Don't forget; I was in SF.



I know how to do this stuff; hell, I've done it!
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 10:09 PM Peppermint writes:

BrianR

I know studman. Why do you think I said that? LOL
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Wednesday, June, 13, 2007 11:47 PM xpressit writes:

Pepp - DonBrian

I read Brians' commander of ops recommendation to Peppermint. To use the "organization" analogy, did Brian make Pepp an "underboss". Don’t mind me, Pepp, I'm still trying to figure out who “made” Chavez a capo, or what she’s in charge of. (maybe its P/R) Seems GF-Brian is moving Pepp up the ladder. Well she can run a tight crew better than the most "talented” capos. Congrads Pepp, you can clean up the gang
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 10:04 AM Bradford. writes:

I had

to go to a birthday party......:)

I'm all about opposing the power of the state, and I agree that there's widespread anger out there (one poll suggests 68% of the population thinks the country is heading in the wrong direction). I wonder about what the 'blowback' looks like. My targets of opportunity are probably going to look very different from Gunny's...........That's why I wonder about the "we"....
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 12:44 PM BrianR writes:

Heh heh, Brad

The interesting thing is that the discontent is so rampant on BOTH sides of the ideological divide.

Of course, the Founders envisioned the possibility, which is why they made provisions in the Constitution for a Constitutional Convention, in which the entire system can be scrapped and we'd get a do-over.

But, yeah, your "targets" would be different. That, too, is not unknown. South Africa had many different rebel factions with different goals. Mao and Chiang in pre-Communist China. Somalia even until today. Others. Look at Switzerland; it is a truly federal system, with major policies determined at the canton level.
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 1:32 PM The Crawfish writes:

Hungary

The Catholic school that I attended from 5th grade through HS was run by Hungarian monks, most of whom were refugees from the 1956 Revolt. I saw the Walter Cronkite documentary about it about 7 times. Occaisionally, the priests would stop the film and point out our school's headmaster in the protest crowd when he was a young seminarian. One of the priests was even an officer in the Hungarian Army until he deserted during the revolt.
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 1:48 PM Bradford. writes:

BrianR, I suspect a

general uprising of the kind you have in mind would less like Hungary 1956 (which was, after all, in response to an oppressive armed invasion by the Soviets and their Hungarian puppets) and more like Gaza (Hamas vs. Fatah).

I fear that folks like me would end up in the crosshairs of quite a few so-called "patriots." And although we're only talking hypotheticals here, that thought is a bit depressing....
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 5:32 PM Peppermint writes:

xpressit

You thinking of me as a mob boss. LOL! Now that is hilarious.
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 5:35 PM Peppermint writes:

Crawfish

Now that's an interesting story. Hungarian monks no less. Lots of history telling going on. I attended Catholic school too. But, I had the notorious nuns.
Talk about discipline. No one and I mean no one got away with anything for fear of the NUNS!
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 5:45 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Who would be your targets? Just curious. You say yours would be different than ours.

Oh, now, you don't think we'd shoot you do you?
You're just half a lib, half a con, so you might make it after all.

You're are pet lib.
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 6:32 PM BrianR writes:

Brad, I know it is

but remember that even during the American Revolution, there was a very large segment of the colonists that either didn't get involved at all, or who were actually pro-British.

It was by no means some huge groundswell unanimous event.
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 7:24 PM Bradford_ writes:

Brian

I've heard one-third for, one-third against, one-third ambivalent...
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 11:39 PM BrianR writes:

Brad, sounds about right

which means the Revolution was really prosecuted by only about a third of the populace.

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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 11:44 PM Virginia Patriot writes:

good one pep

sorry I'm late to the party, didn't realize there was a rebellion brewing. I'm deciding on my next firearm purchase right now, .45 acp for sure, just trying to decide on things like nightsights, etc.

pep, love the nickname for steve, he is so annoying, did you and phil ever do the takeover at steve's I read that you were discussing somewhere? Sounds like fun.
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Thursday, June, 14, 2007 11:52 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Virginia P

Just bought a Glock 21SF. It's on backorder and may be 2-3 weeks before I have it but I used to have the older version before I moved to CA and loved it. The new model has a slightly smaller grip and is more streamlined. Worth considering. I found the 1911 too clanky but it's probably a little more accurate, according to some people, but I can't tell the difference.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:11 AM Peppermint writes:

VAPatriot

Join the party. Thanks.

Well,if you want to join me and Phil we can still do the takeover. We kind of scrapped it because Brain said it was a waste of time. But, Baloney is getting more annoying so maybe we'll rethink it.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:12 AM Peppermint writes:

Brad

Like Brian said you can just sit this one out.

btw, you never answered my questions to you.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 11:17 AM Bradford. writes:

Who would my targets be?

Pepp...sounds like you're trying to start an argument....;)

You first....
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 12:08 PM BrianR writes:

PasPhil, VaPat

Im just never could get behind the Glocks. To me, they look like a shoebox on a popsicle stick; just too ugly to be seen with. After all, I have an image to maintain!

My latest is a Springfield Black Stainless 1911, trijicon sights, ambi safety, mag well, skeletonized hammer and trigger. That is one smokin' pistol! It looks totally cool, feeds anything I shove in the mag, and is a tack-driver.

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Friday, June, 15, 2007 12:29 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Brian R

That's what my gun dealer keeps telling me too. Granted the Glocks are ugly and just about everyone says the 1911 is more accurate. Cool? Hey, no one thinks I'm cool anyway. It's like when I show up wearing a great tie. Everyone knows I didn't pick it out. I'm fashion impaired. For $500, the Glock 21sf is alot of gun. Of course, if you want to use lead or +p ammo, a Glock is not the best choice. I'm just not that demanding. It's my "good enough" choice.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 3:50 PM Frigglesnitz writes:

THE SENATE HEARD US!


I believe for the first time in my life I can say that the "silent" majority suddenly came to life screaming and kicking. I believe our Senators were simply overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of ordinary people (whom the Senators seem to forget they represent)and then could not in good conscience stuff that resurrected "reform" bill down our throats another time.

The fatheads, the knuckleheads, the numbskulls there in the Senate (you know who you are) who wanted to push that monstrosity through thought it would be a piece of cake, that we, the people, would, as you, Peppermint, so aptly described, just roll over and accept what they wanted. Boy, were they in for a surprise.

However, vigilance is required, and we cannot rest, believing the danger is over. As I write, here on June 15, the Senate is in some back room somewhere stirring up some brew that they believe will be camouflaged some way, but will in reality be but a warmed-up version of the same old moldy fare.

Let's not let that happen. Let's keep those cards and letters going. E-mails, faxes, whatever. We need to remind them that it is we, the people, who put them where they are, not some fat-reared lobbyists with money falling willy-nilly out of every opening. We need to keep showing our elected officials who is boss. We are the "deciders!"
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:17 PM Peppermint writes:

Brad

No, I'm not trying to start an argument. I was just curious.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:20 PM Peppermint writes:

Frigglesnitz

You are so right. I heard the deaf and dumb pols are reviving this bill on the radio coming home from work. We'll have to send our faxes and such again and again.

They don't seem to have gotten the msg. that we are their bosses. Can you believe this? Anyone else on any other job would be fired on the spot. But, we can't do that. I sure wish we could because there would be a whole lot of unemployed senators.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:23 PM Peppermint writes:

Brian and PPHil

OH so funny, the two of you discussing how you choose your guns for fashion or not. LOL
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:27 PM BrianR writes:

Phil

More guns at your place!
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:41 PM BrianR writes:

Eh, I'll just do it here, Phil

Since Pepp joined the convo.

You don't shoot lead bullets? You practice with jacketed ammo?

I didn't know you were a Lotto winner!

I had to laugh about your "stylin". Who cares about ties? A piece of irrelevant, uncomfortable and superfluous neckwear.

Ah, but your GUN.....

Who wants to show up at a gunfight with an uncool-looking gat? That's only a small step above showing up with a knife.

Did Dirty Harry say "it's the ugliest gun in the world... Do ya feel lucky, punk?" No, he most definitely did NOT!

Your gun makes a real statement about your choices, style, personality.

Ever show up at the range and see someone pull some beat-up piece of crap out of their bag? What's the first thought that goes through your mind?

LOSER!

Not only that, every time he doesn't hit the bullseye, you glance over in scorn.

But some guy pulls out some fine-lookin' piece of hardware and you just know his at-home car's a Porsche, he's married to a Victoria's Secret model, and he flies his own Lear.

He can't hit the target? Musta had a hard time last night partying with Hef and the crew.



Guess which category a Glock falls into.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:47 PM BrianR writes:

BTW, when I

took dogfighting training, one of the first lessons was how to look cool in your flight suit, I kid you not.

Ya gotta look the part!

Good psychology!
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 5:53 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

BrianR

Alright, now you're hurting feelings. My new Glock isn't even in my hands yet and I'm already too self-conscious to bring it to the range. That's ok. I've got plenty of cover from the crowd I usually shoot with. Plenty of fancy guns, no one will notice what I'm shooting as I keep re-using the same paper target with the one clean hole in the middle.

About a month ago, a was shooting next to a couple of Mexicans who were firing .44 magnum revolvers. TOO MUCH GUN! I was shooting my .22 rifle at the same targets as they were, about 125 yds away. I was nailing every shot. They were just kicking clouds of dust as they scattered their shots way off target apparently trying to cut the mountain in half. Expensive way to make alot of pointless noise.

I see guys show up with exotic guns but can't hit anything. The coolest guns I usually see are the muzzle loaders. Look like fun but very inaccurate.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 6:17 PM BrianR writes:

Phil: Heh heh heh

Yeah, the .44 Mag. I've got a couple but rarely shoot full house loads. Who wants to get beat up? And I'm not a small guy, at 6'2" and 200#.

More importantly, as you alluded, what's going to do more damage? A miss with a .44, or a hit with a .22?

Black powder looks like more fun than it is, because of the maintenance/cleanup.

I rarely shoot mine. Mine are all handguns, mostly Navy .36s and Army .44s, and they take too long to load, and you have to go through an extensive cleanup right away.

If I liked high-maintenance, I'd still be married.


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Friday, June, 15, 2007 6:23 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

BrianR

Forgot to mention. My Glock manual says that my warranty is voided if I use lead bullets. Glocks have a hexagonal bore which gets clogged by lead. I just bought a block of 500 rounds of Fiocchi target FMJs 230 grain all brass for $160 (including NRA donation). The bullets themselves before shipping were $130. How much more is that than what you are paying?
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 6:57 PM BrianR writes:

Yikes, Phil!

Softball voids the warranty?!

That majorly sucks, big time!

You're paying 32 cents/round delivered. You are WAY overpaying!

19 cents/round jacketed here: http://www.outdoormarksman.com/index.php?cPath=65_1_21&sort=2a&filter_id=70

Their home page here for broader selection: http://www.outdoormarksman.com/index.php

Further, softball is even cheaper that jacketed, and is usually more accurate, too.





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Friday, June, 15, 2007 6:59 PM BrianR writes:

BTW, Phil

You're local here in SoCal. If you want to try out my SA, we can go to the range, if you're not already locked into the Glock.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 7:01 PM BrianR writes:

Or we can go to the range

just for s**ts and giggles. Any excuse to go to the range is good with me.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 7:20 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Brian R

Thanks Brian. Checked out the link. There are som Federal American Eagles that look comparable to what I bought but for 22-27 cents + shipping so I didn't do TOO bad. I'm assuming the 19-cent ammo you mentioned are the reloads. That voids the warranty too. I don't know anyone who uses reloads except a friend back east who enjoys spending weekends cleaning and reloading. I have better things to do.

I don't have the Glock yet and I can probably cancel it but I'm sure it won't be the last gun I buy.

I usually shoot at the Angeles Gun Range in San Fernando (Moore & Moore for clays and the rifle/handgun range at the entrance). I wouldn't mind trying out other guns. Most of the gang own SAs and would probably use that over a Glock to win a bet but seem to prefer shooting with their Glocks.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 7:45 PM BrianR writes:

No, Phil

The Outdoor Marksman loads at 19 cents are new factory ammo, OM's brand, and having shot a LOT of it, including in competition, I can tell you it's good stuff.

When the gun manufacturer talks about "reloads", they mean home reloads done yourself. OM's "reloads" are considered such because they don't manufacture their own brass with headstamp. I shoot it all the time, in .45ACP, .223 (one of my faves in that cal), .308, 9MM, .45 Long Colt, it is the only brand I use in .45-70, and .44-40.

OM is actually what saves me from spending a ton of time sweating my a$s off in my hot garage at the reloading press; good fresh-load ammo at comparable cost (cheaper, factoring in the value of my own time) to home reloading.

.............................

Shot a lot of matches at Angeles.

If you want to do it, let me know, and we'll establish comms and set it up.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 10:28 PM xpressit writes:

Peppermint

Well Pepp, if we stay with the mob scenario, you'll need a "hangout" like Bada-bing. You know to do the office work:)
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 10:36 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

BrianR

That is a great deal. I could have bought 1000 rounds for what I paid for 500. That's why I'm known as the gap-toothed cretin.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 11:24 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

BrianR

On the shooting, let's wait until I get my Glock, should be 2-3 weeks, and let's set something up. My e-mail is on my blog. I usually go on weekday afternoons and my schedule should open up in a couple of weeks. I have a lot of carbon credits to waste.
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Friday, June, 15, 2007 11:28 PM BrianR writes:

Phil

My "disposable" email is brb2970@ca.rr.com

Give me a heads up when you use it as I very rarely just check it.

We'll take it from there.

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Friday, June, 15, 2007 11:30 PM BrianR writes:

"Gap-toothed cretin"?

Man, give yourself some slack!
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Saturday, June, 16, 2007 12:21 AM Virginia Patriot writes:

BrianR

Sounds like you have quite a collection. Makes me wish I lived in So. CA, no, not really, but it would be fun to try all those guns. My experience is mostly with shotguns (skeet shooting). I've only recently taken up pistols, started out with a .22 target pistol. The range I go to has quite a few rental guns available and I've been trying different ones to get a feel for different calibers and manufacturers. Aesthetics isn't as important to me as feel and function. One thing I like about Glocks is their simplicity. Very smooth action also. The best thing I've tried in a 1911 is the Kimber, although they are pricey. Lifetime warranty also. I've seen the SA stainless on their website, very nice, but a little too flashy for me. I'm a pickup kind of guy, no Porsches in my garage.
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Saturday, June, 16, 2007 12:25 AM BrianR writes:

LOL, VaPat

I don't have a Porsche, either.

But that's OUR secret....

Yeah, I have about 35 or so guns. Every one of them's a shooter; no "wall hangers" for me.

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Saturday, June, 16, 2007 2:50 AM BrianR writes:

Hey all! Self-plug!

New essay up at the Island.
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Saturday, June, 16, 2007 11:25 AM ch47 jockey writes:

Glad to see it go down in flames

however I feel this one might be like a Phoneix rising from the ashes to test us again. The comments were as always here at Pepps place entertaining,although I got distracted there toward the end with the gun talk,made me want to head out to the range. I did take one of my previous anti-gun co-workers shooting recently, he is from the UK and can't understand the "American obsession with guns" although after leaving the range he wants one now,I guess he will have to wait until he gets his legal documentation. Bradford I am curious which "targets" you would find worthwhile it might come as a surprise that many list of targets from both sides of the spectrum would have similar names on them.
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Saturday, June, 16, 2007 11:42 AM Peppermint writes:

ch47jockey

Good to see you here. Have not seen you around lately. You must be very busy with your new endeavor.

Thanks for your comments. The UK people may not understand our obsession with guns until they have to fight the muzzies in their midst. Then they will know why.
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Saturday, June, 16, 2007 11:43 AM Peppermint writes:

To all

New article up as of today, Blame American for Iran's ME Plan
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