The Stupidity of John McCain...

with the first sentence.We will lose this election no matter who wins it.

We're going to lose the globull climate change battle.I knew that as soon as Newt hopped on board.We'll be forced to pay more for our *greenhouse sins* while counties like China and India get a pass.

As far as Larry,Curly & Moe runing in this circus called an election,I've yet to make up my mind.No way,no how can I let a commie like Barry get elected if I can help it.We would never recover(we're still haven't recovered from the FDR entitlements given to us some 65 yrs ago).

A lot depends of course on who Mac pick for a veep and whether Hilly can pull out a ninth inning victory(not likely) and who her veep would be.It's still along way to November,so I'll wait and see.

Are there any 3rd party candidates out there who are tempting conservatives to vote for them.

I hope that McShamnesty picks a SOLID conservative for his VEEP. That way, when he vapor locks the day AFTER the inaugural, America WINS with a REAL conservative at the helm.

Now THAT is a good question. I, and many others, would LOVE to see a Conservative Party arise, that rejects RINOs and the Dhimmicrat-lites and BOOTS those without a shred of moral decency, i.e., Larry the Toe Tapper and Vito "love child" Fossela when they screw up.

You guys are going to be so freaked out when he gets elected. It's going to be very satisfying for anyone with an open mind to watch all the neo-con heads explode on Nov 5.

You are sinking back in Liberalism; on Gunny's other article today, you said you were a "moron and libsquirt", thereby starting your march to becoming a Conservative.

Gunny's article was about the "stupidity of Juan McShame", not about O'Vomit being elected POTUS.

A True Conservative stays on topic.

Gunny, good article on Juan McShame's short-comings. I have told the Republican party, I will not support them or McShame. However, I am supporting some Conservative Republicans in Mississippi's Congressional races.

McLame is. He's proof that mainstream Republicans are now officially to the left of the center of the political spectrum. He makes JFK and RFK look like right wing extremists.

Where does he fail?
a) Gang of 14 prevents real Constitutionalists from getting approved.
b) McLame-Feingold is a direct overturning of the 1st Amendment.
c) His advisor who has worked for the Mexican government to assist and increase illegal immigration into the USA and pushing amnesty.
d) Buying into Glo-Bull Warming, when the UN even came out recently saying that it will actually be cooling for the next decade.

Those 4 points are just a start, but enough to make me say ohhellno.

Good piece,and I do believe since we made it through Carter,we could make it through most ANY candidate. MHO, the time is ABSOLUTELY ripe for a third party to step up with a consevative agenda,and people running in that party who ACTUALLY believe in that.

I'm not marching toward anything - especially not your brand of blind fascist political theory. Again, an actual conservative does not have to agree with gunny or you.

Well....Bob Barr just announced for the Libertarian Party. I haven't checked out his policy statements yet, but I will be doing so this week.

We are resilient, we are strong, and we are TICKED OFF!!!!

We can, and we will, survive the next four years. I have no doubt. We just cannot stay silent, and hope it will pass quickly. Somehow, I think a lot of us will start the Peter Finch "Network" chant......

Your post at 0827 is erroneous. One, we are NOT neo-cons here, we're traditonal conservatives. Two, an Obambi presidency will do wonders to (a)destroy the dhimmicratic party, and (b) ensure that a libturd won't be elected for another 25 years! We may lose in the short term but we'll WIN in the long term.

I agree. H*LL NO to McLame. (great tag BTW)

A few of us, you included, have batted around the idea of getting a Conservative Party underway. I agree, the time is ripe, we just need a good catalyst.

Exactly right. McLame (thanks crawfish) cannot pull the true conservative base and he knows it. The trouble is, the idiots at the RNC have staked their future on this painted turd.

"I'm not marching toward anything - especially not your brand of blind fascist political theory. Again, an actual conservative does not have to agree with gunny or you."

I am underwelmed by your "heart-felt" apology.

You are entirely correct, you are not marching toward anything but the end of the pier.

"I'm not marching toward anything - especially not your brand of blind fascist political theory. Again, an actual conservative does not have to agree with gunny or you."

It'll be interesting to see your stance on the issues. It's easy to hide and slide for awhile but the smart money is on the fact that your true liberal colors will show through on your blog before too long.

Re your 7:29 reply....that's my stance right now.Mac could vapor lock and should he pick a conservative,we'd have a ready made candidate to run in 2012.Problem is,his past record of pandering means he'll likely pick a fence walker to try and attract independants/moderate dems so I'll wait a while before I state I absolutely won't vote for him.Six months is a long time and anything can happen.

Quit talking about McCain's 'stupidity'.
McCain is not stupid. Once again...

McCAIN IS A DEMOCRAT!

Think about it. McCain's programs are socialistic in nature and unconstitutional in content. Possibly when McCain decided to go into politics he chose the Democrat party. But the back room boys got to him before he signed the dotted line. They told him many rewards awaited him if he would be a "Republican".

McCain is a Democrat Mole in the Republican party. For the period of time he has served as a Republican he has continually "reached across the aisle", "stuck his thumb in his party's eye" and been a "maverick". His policies today are no less troubling than those of yesterday. The dems have held him back until this moment in time. Democrats pulled their own "Operation Caos", crossed the aisle and voted McCain until all the true Republicans were out, leaving Americans the choice of McCain or whichever socialist ends up on the Dem ticket. But the choice doesn't matter because McCAIN IS A DEMOCRAT. That is why he has done Nothing to mend the rift in the Republican base. That is why he refuses to protect us from illegal invaders or to defend our borders.

McCAIN WILL SABOTAGE THIS COUNTRY IN FAVOR OF SOCIALISM!

John McCain is a war hero.

So was Benedict Arnold.

The questions become who will you vote for and how many conservatives will vote like you?

Write in Hunter/Tancredo!

Tell your family and friends, everyday, pass the word far and wide, remind everyone, pass the word...

Maybe, just maybe, this grassfire will spread across the nation and turn McCain's candidacy into toast. People can try and hope, anyway.

Fan the flames!

For the Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11) of the Founders ><>

Please take your Corinthians and vote for whomever you want.

Why would I apologize to you?

Excellent idea. I refuse to vote for any of the three stooges.

You got that right but El Rushbo implemented HIS Operation Chaos which REALLY shafted the libs!

Ok, et me give you a couple examples of what I consider conservative viewpoints.

Gun "control"
We'll see what the Supreme Court has to say about the 2nd amendment in a few days, but I think everyone has a right to have guns as I do. I hunt and use them for skeet etc. But I don't need an Uzzi, and I don't think any other private citizens need one either. Enforceable laws, like closing gun show loopholes, help to keep guns out of the hands of the crazy. Remember VA Tech?

Abortion
I think that abortion should only be allowed in the case of severe health risks for the mother or rape.

Taxes
The wealthy need to pay an equal percentage of their income (whether from investments or wages/bonuses) as the rest of us. By wealthy, I'll throw out a $500,000 per year income for starters.

Foreign policy
Iraq was obviously a manufactured war, created for the purpose of keeping our Saudi "friends" safe. The Saudis have us by the sack and they're not letting go. Should we continue letting the neocon-run government plunder our national treasure to perpetuate this insane and destructive policy?

Looks like a plan to me,Jeff. Highly unlikely the RNC would give a flying ratzaz about it anyway. Appears to me they would LIKE to see conservatives leave the party,provided we leave our"Most Generous Donation" first.

"Why would I apologize to you?"

1. Because you are a liberal, and as Gunny said you would, you have showed your true colors: "Enforceable laws, like closing gun show loopholes, help to keep guns out of the hands of the crazy. Remember VA Tech?"

There are no gun show loopholes. This is a lie and was made up by organizations like Handgun Control, Inc. to push their agenda. And if one teacher or student had been armed at VA Tech, this horrible event might have been stopped before it started.

2. Because as a Liberal you are breathing air, eating food, and taking up space which could be used for a much better purpose.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I have a serious distrust for anyone from the ACLU. In any event, McGore doesn't get my vote.

C5 - How many will vote third party? The last time conservatives were faced with this situation was in '92. Bush 41 hadn't done nearly as much to the base as McCain and the result was 19% voted for Perot.

Know when to cut your losses. If you have a RINO let them lose since the RNC will always favor an incumbent, no matter how bad they are.

Hopefully, some conservative Congress candidates will be unexpectedly elected and surprise the libs in the Congress now.

For as long as keeping the other person out is more important than voting for the person who best represents you, then not enough will vote 3rd party.

One of the most courageous things you can do is change. I think America's fear of voting 3rd party is an indicator of how courageous we are.

"But I don't need an Uzzi, and I don't think any other private citizens need one either."

You don't need an Uzi, good. But you have no idea what someone else needs. Typical liberal attitude of "I'll decide what you need." Which is why the 2nd Amendment is constantly under attack by politicians and idiots.

Think about this. After just suffering through a very difficult and bloody time to throw off the oppressive government the founders sat down and formulated the Constitution. Now. Do you believe these men who had just barely won their freedom from a tyrannical government, do you believe they stuck the 2nd Amendment in there for skeet shooters and collectors?
Another point, To provide for a milita. A milita is a military type organization. Skeet guns and antiques are of li9ttle use to a military type organization. The 2nd Amendment has already been usurped when the government outlawed posession of automatic weapons by citizens.

maybe I should have titled it: "The sleaze of McShamnesty!"

You're right. He is a closet dummycrat.

but now our govt has cruise missiles and laser-guided bombs and other smart weapons. Should we all be allowed to have those too?

I don't think the majority of Americans show a lack of courage because 3rd part candidates typically don't do well in general elections. I'm kind of offended by that comment. In fact, I would suggest that the majority of Americans of either major party clearly understand that a vote cast for a 3rd party is either a waste, or at crossed purposes with whatever agenda the individual voter may have.

The only way to have a meaningful 3rd or 4th party in America is to change the current situation with respect to campaign finance. Representative democracy and the constitution are being perverted by the money doing ALL the talking in DC. McCain's idea of campaign finance reform hasn't really done much good. At this point, a 3rd party vote would take votes away from the only realistic potential alternative - the democrat.

You have used this argument before to deflect the point.
We are not talking about laser bombs and guided missiles. We are talking about PERSONAL firearms here. We are talking about weapons the citizen would keep, maintain and use in case of a milita call out. Just like the Minutemen.

As far as the high tech weapons you like to throw in your argument. They are NOT "arms" that you could "bear". Check me out walking through the mall with a laser guided bomb on my shoulder....

You have your interpretation and I have mine. With yours, we have limited choices where each party will demand that we choose them because they are not the other party. And for as long as they are not the other party, we are told that they are the only choice.

With mine, it demands massive change, change always tests our courage, and less centralized power.

Again, if you feel best represented by the Democrats, then you should vote for them. But don't be arrogant towards those who disagree.

I am amazed that someone of your apparent intellect can miss such a simple point. I'm not a democrat, and the democrats don't represent my personal belief system or anything else but a VIABLE candidate that actually can end the insanity of the past few years.

You are not casting a vote to pick a best friend or a therapist or a puppy that will do exactly as you wish. You are picking a politician who has the power to change this country. In the case of Bush, it has been an unmitigated disaster - facilitated, in part, by those who chose to enable Bush by voting for non-viable 3rd party candidates. These people (including you) claim they voted their conscience. I would argue that they voted with their heart instead of their head.

If Nader actually became president, which as you know is impossible, how would he deal with congress? How could he get any of his arguably noble causes passed into legislation? The answer is he couldn't. I am positive that you know this.

This is the reality of American politics at the moment. Casting a vote that will enable McCain to potentially win is quite unrealistic and , in my view, unpatriotic.

You seem to have a idealistic vision of this country, but it's just people like you and me. We have been taken on a long dangerous ride. A third part candidate will not win this election. If another republican is elected, this ride will continue. If the democrat is elected it may stop, or be mitigated somewhat. Voting for a third party candidate will facilitate our continued trip into oblivion.

Your packaging of your position doesn't cut it. I don't criticize you when you vote for candidate who best represents you. I expect the same respect.

ok - what kind of firearms do you think we should be talking about? I was obviously using military weaponry as an exaggeration to make my point. But you do seem to agree that military weaponry has no place at the mall or people's homes...?

I'm not "packaging" anything - just trying to make my point. I'm flattered that you seem to think I'm reading off a focus group cue card or something.

This is simple:

1.You know Nader can't win.

2.You vote for Nader.

3.Your vote is spent on a pipe dream and enables a neocon to become elected.

4.Your vote is helping to keep the worst case of the status quo you seem to care so much about changing.

5.Your vote is not only wasted, but works against your own hopes and intentions.

Time to swallow your pride a little, caday.

I could not vote for a libertarian because by and large, they would cut and run from Iraq. Their version of limited government usually includes extreme limits on foreign policy. The Green Party is an impossibility for me, as is voting for a Democrat who I disagree with on about 80% or more of the issues. I would like to see a Duncan Hunter type run, but consider it pretty unlikely. I do think that the more I hear McCain hype the Global Warming line, the less inclined I am to vote for him. Especially since even though he is right on Iraq, he is wrong on enough peripheral foreign policy issues that the wider war could still be lost with McCain in charge.

1. Most change happens incrementally

2. We need more choices if we are going to elect officials who want to represent us rather than abuse us.

3. We have to swallow a current loss for a future win.

4. A third party candidate does not have to win an election to make a difference. All third party candidates have to do is draw enough votes so that major party candidates have to consider 3rd party concerns in the next election

5. It is time to quit thinking only in the now and think about both today and tomorrow.

OK good. You at least admit that McCain's election would be a loss, I think. You're absolutely right that a 3rd party candidate doesn't have to win to make a difference. As I said previously, you helped Bush win twice by your past 3rd party "conscience" votes. Thanks again for that.

As for the now, it seems to be you thinking more about the now than me. Your "now" is focused on your selfish appeasement of a short-sighted and selfish need to feel your vote is not cast for a less-than-perfect candidate. Your are thereby facilitating continued long term (eg Supreme Court among other areas) damage that may be irreparable.