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Monday, June, 04, 2007 1:39 PM
Jimmy Carter
writes:
That's funny.
"...(only paper available).."
Immediately defending yourself for reading it. And you're forgiven.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 1:43 PM
BrianR
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Sheila: Hope you had a great trip
Unfortunately, Bush's ratings have dropped right into Carter territory, about 28%.
Who does he have to blame for this? The media? They hated Reagan, too, and he left office at 70%. They loved Carter, and he was at the aforementioned 28%.
No, Bush has brought this totally on himself.
It never really helps when you flip off your base, the supporters who fought hard to put you in office twice with razor-thin margins, call them "racists" and "xenophobes", and basically tell them to take a long walk off a short pier.
People usually don't respond too favorably to that.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 2:01 PM
Virginia Daddy
writes:
Sheila
Good to have you back.
Bush is an interesting personality. Stubborn as a mule, but I think very sincere. As Brian said, he has brought much of this on himself.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 2:29 PM
Sheila
writes:
Hey Jimmy!
Yeah that was not fun...and as usual the Left uses what the right says against our own side to get us...I hate it when that happens...uhg.
Just got in last night, and finally had a chance to check in...
I'll be over to see what's up at your place...:)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 2:30 PM
Sheila
writes:
Btw, Jimmy
How are the keyboard lessons going? You'll have to do a Youtube appearance for us THrs...:)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 2:46 PM
Sheila
writes:
Brian!
Hey man...well guess I have to disagree...how do you keep good poll numbers when the dems are on the attack with the MSM 24/7, and the right piles on too?
Reagan didn't have that to overcome, plus, as an actor he was communication King! LOL
I would love to have Reagan back, but reality is not everyone is a Reagan...we have a good man who is a Christian, who believes in America as we do, who wants to defend our nation, and keep her strong, who has tried to "change the tone" and get the dems to unite for the country's sake...he's stood for all the things we believe in, and kept us safe.
We can't have it ALL without a SUPER majority. A razor thin majority can't get it done...so the answer is to elect more conservatives, not throw them out...I seem to be repeating myself...:)
Oh well, I know I won't change your mind even if I say it in French...Ha!
I am of the opinion that you have to build on what you accomplish, and do it from strength...if we keep having to start from scratch over and over, and losing and winning because we don't have perfection in the party, and people aren't perfect in a fallen world, we will NEVER get where we want to be in this country...
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 2:55 PM
Sheila
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Hey V Daddy!
You know, you're right...Bush is no push over...and he's not afraid to say what he's thinking...I guess because he doesn't always agree with everything some on our side (that would include Brian...LOL)think should happen, he becomes enemy numero uno...a little lingo Brian can't understand there...;0)Ha!
In my humble opinion, if we have the demsocialists running things again 100%, we will have chaos. Did you see any of the debates last night? From what those lame brains said, it is clear they are clueless...and that's just what the enemy wants...Clueless in the White House...sorry, I couldn't resist...:)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 3:00 PM
BrianR
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Sheila: Well, you're right
about the Right piling on, but you missed the forest.
WHY are they/we piling on?
That's what I wrote in my comment. He's brought it on himself.
Assuming you're anti-amnesty, you're not offended at being called a "xenophobe" by Bush? Really? That doesn't indicate a larger problem to you?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 4:09 PM
Sheila
writes:
Brian
Why are they piling on? Because they want everything without building on what we had...
Because we haven't learned we don't get 100% of what we want in the political arena without building on a foundation, and working from strength.
How do you get 100% of what you want when you just finished throwing out all the conservatives who were laying the foundation, and could have done more of what you wanted, to "teach them a lesson"? You can't teach "them" a lesson without putting "yourself" (us) in the corner with the dunce cap on! LOL! We all live here, and elections have concequences. As long as we keep getting the enemy elected WE are stuck in the corner!..:)
As to Bush, he isn't a poll guy...he believes we need a good bill, and he agrees with many on our side that this is the way to get control of an out of control problem, and secure the border.
We won't have any control if the dems win.
We need to keep pushing to get the bill tweaked, and get contol over this decades long problem.
I'm not jumping on the anti-Bush band wagon, he's a strong man who believes in America, and wants to do what is right for this country.
We can agree to disagree...comprende?...;0)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 4:19 PM
BrianR
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Sheila, building on what
we had?
What we had was the 1994 Contract with America that ultimately got the GOP control of both houses of Congress based on solid core conservative principles.
From that foundation the GOP got fat, dumb, and happy, as well as arrogant, complacent, and addicted to power. They promptly forgot their principles, and turned into a pale imitation of the Dem party, handing out party favors to everyone who held out their hand.
As they got more and more profligate, their margins of victory got thinner and thinner in direct proportion. They finally bit the dust last November, and got it the hard way: They EARNED it.
Not willing or able to learn a thing from the lessons of history, they continue to plummet down the road of liberalism, with this terrible idea of "comprehensive" scamnesty. Plus their President, who barely managed to get elected while running against incredibly incompetent competition, does further damage to his party by further alienating the base by calling them discusting names straight out of the Democrat playbook.
Is that what you had in mind?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 4:23 PM
Virginia Daddy
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94
What we had then was not only solid conservative principles, but understandable principles.
Say what you will about our pres (I'm actually somewhere in the middle on that and see both sides all too clearly), but what is his message? What is the republican message?
Nothing quickly pops into my mind now. Does it anyone else?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 5:39 PM
Jimmy Carter
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President Bush has become an example..
..of one of the reasons We do not need "term limits." He has no reason to listen and appease those that elected him.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 5:41 PM
BrianR
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Yeah, VaDaddy, here's the message:
"Vote for us! We're not as bad as THEY are!"
Not really inspiring, know what I mean?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 5:41 PM
davecatbone
writes:
Sheila
I agree with you that Bush wants to keep our nation safe. He's done a great job of it. He did well to get 2 justices on the SCOTUS. He got the economy running well despite the fact nobody cares, BUT.. he himself has decided he doesn't need those who've stood by him since 2000 when the entire world and half this country wanted him impeached. His philosophy about illegal aliens and border enforcement are purely wrong. Now you can say, rightly, that it's only one issue. But I say YOU say the same thing about the WOT. You'll ignore all else for the WOT. Until I looked into what this bill would do to our country, I felt the same way. But this is nothing less than the end of what we now know to be the United States, if passed the way it is. The issues it pretends to address, CAN be fixed by a bill tomorrow. But the Democrats and RINO's, including McCain won't have that.
Here's another point. George Bush is no conservative. He doesn't pretend to be and never has. And there are TH posters who don't pretend to be either. But conservatism has given us what we have, and if for the sake of the next election, we allow this nation to continue it's slide down the slope towards the moderate middle, all the hand wringing here over the culture war, and Liberalism will be crocodile tears. You can't have a mish mash of both philosophies, you end up with nothing.
Sanity likes to talk about choosing the hill you'll die on. Well my hill is not the war on terror. It's the war towards the destruction of the United States being waged on multiple fronts, and if we fall asleep on any of them, we are doomed, IMHO. The people who are against this Immigration Reform are more that some bumper sticker slogan. I hear thoughtful, carefully weighed opinions based on much reflection. BTW, glad you're back.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 5:41 PM
BrianR
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Jimmy, you've got a point that
hasn't escaped me as I've thought about this lately.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 5:43 PM
BrianR
writes:
Dave, well said
Kudos.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 5:50 PM
Jimmy Carter
writes:
Kudos, too.
davecatbone (I still think that is the "coolest" handle).
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:06 PM
Virginia Daddy
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Brian.
Nope. Not at all.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:31 PM
Sheila
writes:
Brian
I thought we were getting what we wanted...a pro-life president who appointed conservative constructionist judges, low taxes, a pro- family agenda who got partial birth abortions defeated,
I thought we had a strong economy, and a strong national security, successes in Iraq, though we don't have a perfect government there, millions of Iraqis risked their lives to vote, and the news from the war front isn't what the MSM wants us to believe, we know good things are happening there....gosh, I thought we were doing pretty well!
We could have built on that! But we threw everyone out...now the dems think they can do whatever they please, and will continue to go down the road we could have veered away from, and eventually gained a large enough majority to get more of our agenda!
We'll never get our country going in the right direction if we don't keep fighting instead of throwing in the towel, and getting the enemy elected!
Elections have consequences, and if the majority of the American people think we can survive a demsocialist take over, then it will happen, and we'll see where we are when our taxes go sky high, activist judges are appointed, our national security goes down the tubes, and the "wall" of no communication on security matters goes back up...not to mention cutting and running from Iraq and giving the enemy more power.
Add to that open borders with illegals being recruited by demsocialists to vote democrat.
Doesn't sound too good to me!
But Brian, we can agree to disagree, and I'll be working to defeat the demsocialists.
In the end the elections will tell the tale.
Btw, are you going to the Thompson announcement on the 4th of July?...:0)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:42 PM
Sheila
writes:
V Daddy
Yeah we don't always have perfection, but we can't shoot ourselves in the foot, and let the demsocialists have their way!
I'd love to have Reagan back, but not everyone is a Reagan.
We have a good man who believes in our country and wants to do the right thing. He has very smart people in his administration, and they are fightting the battle of the Leftwing attack machine in the MSM every day. They can't get a break!
The message is stay the course, win the WOT, keep the country strong, win alies overseas, keep taxes low, keep our family values strong, our nation strong, and defeat the enemy here and abroad...
Bush isn't as good at articulating it as Reagan, but it's a different world, different circumstances, and he's doing what he believes is right.
However, we must remember he is not running in 08.
Who's your pick, for pres. btw, V Daddy?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:42 PM
BrianR
writes:
Here's what a REAL conservative
sounds like on the issue. This is the link to my Congressional Representative's web page dealing with scamnesty:
http://mckeon.house.gov/is_immigration.html
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:48 PM
BrianR
writes:
Sheila, I'm not sure
you'll ever get it. We also got:
No Child Left Behind, Drugs for Seniors, a budget that went from a $50 billion surplus to a half TRILLION dollar deficit, Harriett Meiers, a President who refused to veto anything including McCain-Feingold (the biggest destruction of First Amendment rights in history) and who has seen earmarked pork-barrel spending balloon out of all control on HIS WATCH.
We have a war that isn't being fought right, with no definition of victory, to support an unrealistic goal based on a naive ideology: the idea of installing western-style democracy in Iraq.
You want me to go on?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:50 PM
BrianR
writes:
Sheila, your post to VaDaddy
is just sloganeering.
You refuse to even acknowledge the real problems.
Amazing!
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:53 PM
Sheila
writes:
Hey Dave
It's an interesting dilemna. We have very strong conservatives who believe this bill is the right step to take.
We need to keep letting our voices be heard. That's how politics works in this country.
The thing I object to is giving everything over to the hate America crowd. Our side is for America! We need to work from strength not weakness. I we don't have a super majority, we can't have total say in matters.
We are in a world that has nuclear power run wild. It's not the world of the cold war where we could control the nukes.
We have China the pentagon reports expanding their military capabilities, with nukes, Iran (who just said again that Israel will be defeated soon, along with America), we have North Korea, Russia with Putin going nuts, and we have Pakistan that teeters on the brink with nukes, we have India with nukes, and believe me, the jihadists would love to control those countries if they could pull off a coup.
Now, picture the guys in the debate last night and their buds in the house, senate and the media in charge...
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 6:56 PM
Virginia Daddy
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My pick?
Not sure, but I seem to be drawn to Huckabee.
And what you say is what I'd like the party to articulate, but I am not sure that it is completely. And I think too many others see the same, though they don't know why the Republican party doesn't feel the same as it used to. In other words, they haven't wuite put a finger on it.
I am a Bush fan, generally. I think it is far too early to sayhe is a disaster. He is a man of principle, for better or for worse. And I think he will be judged favorly for that. He may not be the most popular, but popularity doesn't always mean much in the long run.
However, he is not the conservative many voted for 2 and 6 years ago. He has not won himself many friends by being so secretive and demanding. He has also said some very dumb things, at the top I think was his political capital comment after 04.
So, my take is that we as a party need to get a message, a positive one, and come together and drive it home. Contract with America was exactly that.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 7:36 PM
Sheila
writes:
V Daddy
Huckabee...yes he did well in the debate. I'm looking forward to the next Rep debate. Do you know when it is?
I agree with you that we need to get a good message that is well articulated, that can trump the MSM, and the talking heads on the Left spin machine.
I'm not happy with everything Bush has done either, though I feel he will be judged well when it's all said and done.
I am focusing on the 08 election, listening to conservatives I trust and respect on the immigration issue.
I appreciate your tone, V Daddy. You do a good job of expressing your disagreements without being caustic. I think we should all keep that in mind. We are all on the same side, and trying to do what's right for the furure of the country.
We are living in a different world today, and just assuming it will all work out if the demsocialists take over is a little naive...
Thanks for maintainning a friendly discussion! ...;)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 7:52 PM
BrianR
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I'll butt in, because
you said something I can't let slide: "We're all on the same side".
Sorry, that I do not agree with.
There's an old saying, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".
I know I pose very uncomfortable questions and ideas for you to address. I try to do it without being too harsh about it. But these are very important issues, in a very critical time for our country, and to adopt the Rodney King approach of "Can't we all just get along?" is simply not going to cut it at all.
You support Bush, and that's perfectly fine to do so. But you must be aware that you're in the company of about one in four people in the country, as his poll numbers are currently at about 28% and falling.
This doesn't at all make you rethink your OWN position?
It's like the old joke about "My son in the marching band is the ONLY one in step".
I am definitely NOT on the side of people who want to drag this country down into a morass of liberalism, unprincipled vote-pandering, and unrealistic ideas and hopes of a recovery of conservatism based on nothing more than wishful thinking, platitudes, and a wilful ignorance of history. That's exactly what's created this mess to begin with.
If you want me to stop posting on your blog, that's fine, just let me know. I'll certainly oblige.
But I don't post anywhere I can't express my true thoughts in fear of hurting someone's feelings.
Your call.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:06 PM
Peppermint
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Sheila
I hear your concerns with not wanting our country pulled down into degeneration by the liberals. I understand and empathize with that position as you know.
However, right now we are facing some very serious issues that IMHO are not being addressed properly by the President and the GOP.
I don't think because people are opposed to President Bush's policies right now and what the GOP has done to fail us, will stop people from voting for a good conservative if presented with one as a candidate.
In addition, in a time like this, I hand it over to God. There is nothing more that we can really do at this point. Events and situations have occurred that are out of our control. The pols are not listening to the American people on either side of the aisle actually.
I believe that whoever wins the WH in 08 will be what God wants us to have. And, we'll just deal with it.
GW was the right person in the right place for 9/11.
Whoever gets the POTUS in 08 will be whatever is supposed to be, even if it turns out to be a democrat.
I'm just handing it over to my higher power. I have no power myself. Fate will take its course.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:08 PM
Virginia Daddy
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The president
Has many issues. I think we all, at least we all should, acknowledge that.
To me, if we can live out the next couple years, and we can, we should really focus on getting the right person in for 08.
I do think its too early to judge him, but I will say he has disapppointed in more than one area. And I will also say that to a certain extent, who cares at this point? What's done is done and what's past is past. We need to get the right person to bring us back to where we need to be.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:16 PM
Sheila
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Brian
"I don't think you'll ever get it"...thanks Brian, that's real nice...
I DO get it, and can we keep this civil please?
I am not happy with everything that has gone on. So what am I supposed to do about the people in other states where I don't vote?
As long as we have people voting for moderates who manage to outnumber the conservative vote in the house and senate, we're going to have this dilemna.
And how are we going to reverse these things we don't like by giving the dems more power and throwing out our good guys, huh?
That's where you and I come to crossroads. We need to ADD to our numbers not SUBTRACT from our numbers to get the job done!
I would love it if Newt were still speaker, and he'd continued with another contract. Well, he's not there anymore is he? Wonder why?
I don't speak in slogans, btw, I'm saying what I believe just as you are, and we're all adults here, and "friends", I thought, who can have a discussion, and not be insulting.
I would like to show the libs that appear here on TH that we are civil, and respectful, and can have fun at the same time, and make our points without acting the way they do. We're all smart enough to have independent thoughts, and you aren't the only one who "gets it" here on TH, Brian. There are quite a few others I'm impressed with here, and they don't all fall in lock step behind Brian the Great! LOL
I agree with Mckeon on quite a bit, and he sounds like a reasonable guy. I don't want the balkanization of America either, and I would like to have assimilated immigrants who love and appreciate our heritage. I'm glad he's there. That's what will make this a good bill. People like him. It can be done right.
We really need a change in our immigration policies in general, according to the massive numbers who come into this country every year.
This is a huge problem, and requires a major solution. The problem is we have no way of insuring every single immigrant assimilates, embraces our culture and our values.
We have huge enclaves of immigrants from every part of the world who stay in their culturally closed communities all over this country! What are we supposed to do about it?
Let's keep our heads, and work on getting it right, and contacting the conservatives, keeping in touch, and listening to those we trust who are wise. There are a lot of those people out there.
But the main point I have is, that if we continue to defeat ourselves, we will always be trying to gain ground, instead of achieving our goals. I don't know if you'll ever get it Brian...to use your line. LOL Truce?...:)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:34 PM
BrianR
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Well, I'm glad to see your
last word in your essay, because what I certainly want you and everyone else to understand is that nothing I write is meant as a personal attack. When I attack on a personal basis, it's very clear.
That having been said, I'll start by saying that this whole scamnesty debacle was instigated by Bush himself. He opened the door by proclaiming, on many occassions, his desire to "regularize" the illegals. He's compounded his problem by calling opponents of scamnesty "xenophobes" and "vigilantes" on separate occassions, including last week. He's heaped his problems on his own head. I, for one, am not a person who forgives the biter of my hand that's lent support.
He was always on shaky ground with conservatives to begin with, and now he's committed hara-kiri. He can deal with his own issues.
He's trying to drag others down with him, and that's very problematic. The GOP has trashed itself, plain and simple. It has virtually no credibility with conservatives, the only saving grace being the Dems have even less.
You saw the link I posted to my Representative's site. Can there be any clearer disavowal of Bush's policy on this defining issue? He may as well have slapped him in the face. Buck's a good man!
This scamnesty is DOA at the House if it gets out of the Senate. Even Pelosi doesn't want to touch it. Meanwhile, Bush and the GOP Senators like Kyle, McIdiot, Snow and a host of others have taken the tack of telling conservatives they don't give a rip about what we think. That's not the way to "get along".
And you wonder why conservatives are rampaging off the reservation?
THAT'S why.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:36 PM
BrianR
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BTW, I didn't answer your
question about my proposed answer.
If we're not discussing a security-only bill, leave the issue as is.
I WANT this to be a campaign issue next year. Further, I see no reason to change the status of illegal aliens just because a bunch of political hacks tell us we need to. That only makes a bad situation worse. Let them stay in the "shadows". Maybe they'll start self-deporting.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:37 PM
Sheila
writes:
Pep,
Think we were posting at the same time, and Brian too...:)
You are right...in the big scheme of things we are puny players, and God will have the final word.
We must as believers do what our conscience guides us to, and I for one don't think He wants the enemy in charge here and now, unless it's that time in history when all "hail" is going to break loose. Let's face it, God's will isn't always done in this world. He allows certain things to happen, and it all fits into His plan.
And that's what we must do in any case, is trust God, as we do what we believe he would have us do, the rest is in His hands.
History will unfold, and America will either survive or become extinct. It depends on what God will allow in His plan. That's where I'm coming from too, Pep.
I'm a very small peg in a very big wheel...:)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 8:55 PM
Sheila
writes:
Brian
You can "butt in", Brian...gheesh...I think I can handle the "uncomforatble ideas you address"...and no, you don't have to "quit posting" here. I think readers can figure it out for themselves, and decide if they want to be Brian the Great followers...btw, did you read my entire post which I wrote back to you after your big "I don't think you'll ever get it Sheila" comment?
I'll be back to address you issue of "if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem" Amen to that! Are you a part of the solution?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 9:12 PM
BrianR
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Sheila, thanks
The reason I posted that is because when I posed the same proposition to Sandra, her silence was construed by me as consent.
You're tougher.
Good!
I don't care if people disagree with me, as long as they have the gonads to stand up for what they believe. Good for you; you evidently do.
And I do want to thank you for acknowledging my "The Great" status. That will help you keep your arguments with me in perspective as we move forward into the future.
Further, not only am I "part of the solution" but my soon-to-be-mandated diktats are, in fact, the solution.
Just needed to clear the air on that. I'm sure you'll agree, on pain of death.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 9:26 PM
Jimmy Carter
writes:
I'll butt in, because
you asked me a question.
On the lessons, I think I've hit a wall on improving so it has become difficult to keep at it.
Yer very nice for asking, and Thank You.
Here's my post on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3jbnjSMLtg
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 9:45 PM
Sheila
writes:
Brian HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I love it, your humility is beyond description...:)
Btw, I don't think Sandra had a prob with Your Magnus, she just got tired of arguing the same thing!
She's having fun!...She'll prob be back...she'll miss TH too much! (That's me speaking)...
Oh high and mighty Great One! Brian the Great! HA! You crack me up! LOL!!!!
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 9:56 PM
Sheila
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Jimmy LOL
You are magical!!!! LOL
Honouredman! Wow, that was good...I will be back to view more of your playing. You have a real touch...:)
Isn't Youtube cool?
Don't get discouraged there Jimma...you can do it! :)
That is really a great site! Thanks!
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 10:09 PM
Sheila
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Btw, Brian
I don't agree with you about Bush...:)
He is a man of guts. He has gone far afield of licking his finger and putting it up in the air to test which way the winds blow...
Agree or disagree he has done what he believes is good for America, and I admire him for not caving, under tremendous pressure. Check out Presidentialprayerteam.com .
I agree with Pep, even though he isn't perfect, he was in the WH after 9-11 for a reason, and I know he did, and is doing the right thing...though not perfectly.
Remember, God uses imperfect people...look at Moses...he was the reason Bush got into this mess in the first place...
He was at church, and the message was about leadership, and how Moses had done the LAST thing he wanted to do...but leadership demanded he step up to the plate...he was reminded of that, when people started clamoring for him to run...if he had only known...he would have still done it, I'm sure.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 10:13 PM
Sheila
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Btw,Brian
I think that's Presidentialprayerteam.org if .com doesnt work...
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 10:28 PM
Virginia Daddy
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Questions:
What are we to think about and how are we to treat Georgie now?
It is clear he has been less than conservative, and has really ticked off a bunch of us, but what are we to do about it? Can we do anything about it?
And should we drop our efforts to get the right person, a true conservative, in office next time solely because we don't like everything the man has done?
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 10:49 PM
Sheila
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V Daddy
We work to get a conservative nominee.
Bush is doing what he feels he must do for the country, regardless of his popularity, and it should not influence our vote one way or the other. History will record his legacy...and I think we will be surprised.
May the best man win...and then may we get out and vote to get the demsocialists out.
!!! :)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 10:49 PM
wil
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I think the answer
is to place our focus on the future. Fight this bill, but keep it professional. I agree with Brian that if immigration is still an issue in 08, that may be good. 85% of people want English the official language. No candidate but Gravel on the Dem side were willing to go there. Their arrogance will come back to destroy them as long as we do not self destruct and bring a positive clear message of hope. Thats what my new post is about (shameless plug alert)
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 10:54 PM
Sheila
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Wil!
I agree, I think the demsocialists will self destruct...
I think we'll get a good bill, after all is said and done.
I'll be by your place next!
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 11:32 PM
Peppermint
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Sheila and VADaddy
VADaddy,
In answer to your question about Bush, we just write him off for now. He's the past, we have to look forward to the future. He is almost gone now and he has ticked us off and shown his ingratitude towards the base who has stood behind him through thick and thin. I know I did and supported him and stood up for him with many liberals here at TH. Now, he throws epithets at us because we don't want unchecked illegals running over the border. It doesn't even make sense to me.
If Bush thinks this immigration bill is such a good thing I wish he would tell us why. Because I don't get it. I don't get allowing our doors open. We don't do that with our houses, allow our doors to be open so anyone can walk in.
With that said, I would like to see a good conservative candidate we can stand behind.
Sheila,
btw, Obama, empty suit, failed the debate last night really bad. I knew and I predicted, so Brian is not the "only" great one among us :-), that as soon as the debates started Obama would bomb out. And I heard the people who were at the debate talk about him and they were very unimpressed. They said he had no answers to anything. Now, how bad of a review can one get? LOL Sweet justice!
The bad news is that the Breck girl came in first, Biden second, and Hillary actually came in 3rd or 4th, can't recall.
And, I don't think the base for the dems are very happy with them either because they failed to end the Iraq war, which was their base's big issue.
I don't think either party is doing well with their bases right now. And, I think there is just as good a chance of getting a conservative in the WH as there is a dem.
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Monday, June, 04, 2007 11:39 PM
Sheila
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Pep, V Daddy
Check out Wil's blog...he's got a lot of wisdom on the issue, and Bush.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 12:11 AM
BrianR
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Well, Sheila, as long as we
know who's king, then everything's okay.
BTW, I don't agree the "demsocialists will self destruct..."
So far, they're winning, and will continue to do so until someone stands up to them.
That sure ain't Jorge Bush.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 12:53 AM
Sheila
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Ha...King in your own mind...LOL
I think Wil is right that keeping up the anti Bush rhetoric isn't helping anyone but the dems.
Check out his blog. I agree with him that we should do our due diligence on immigration to get a good bill, and focus on the 08 election.
Bush isn't running, and all the vitriol agaisnt him isn't productive. I totally agree.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 5:31 AM
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Sheila
I do believe that you and I share the same goals. I don't agree that the proponents of this bill are conservatives. Maybe CINOs. And just because a member of congress is a GOP, doesn't make them on our side. I don't think anyone here want's the Dems to take over the govt., but to cave in on this bill will doom us.
And that's where both sides have stopped listening. I haven't heard you acknowledge that. Do you believe this bill will be kind of crummy, but oh well what can you do, we'll just muddle through the mess we create? I believe the stakes are much higher than that.
I'm really not hearing as much Bush hate, as Bush resentment, and that I understand. Yes the world is a dangerous place, and politically, no place for a nervous person. I believe this issue is part of the overall national security issues you touched on, and should be treated with the same seriousness.
Sheila, I give you much credit for being willing to take on the response you knew you'd get. And I'm not seeing any personal attacks here, to the credit of all. I hope we can keep our ears open to consider opposite viewpoints as the realities change. God helps those who help themselves, I've lived that reality over and over.
I'm sure there's going to be a lot more to say after the debate tonight. Good job, Sheila.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 9:16 AM
Peppermint
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Sheila
There is not so much vitriol about Bush as he has unleashed his vitriol on us. All we want, and a vast amount of Americans want, is to have the borders secured in our national security interests. He has not done this.
We were promised a 700 ft. fence 2 years ago in another bill that the pols failed to enforce.
IMHO, securing the borders is part of national security.
Have you read the Heritage Foundation's report on how much this bill is going to cost the American taxpayer?
Phyllis Schlafly has an article about it right now on TH. This bill is not good for us Americans.
Sheila, I think you're brave to come back and try this issue again. I give you much credit for that. I agree with you that we don't want the dems taking over the WH. But, I don't want these treacherous repubs in office either. Who are they looking out for? Not us.
Both of my senators are voting for this bill, one a democrat, the other a rhino. I will never vote for either one of them. My rep, Boehner, has already stated this bill is a piece of s**t. Those were his words, not mine. So, I have some confidence that he will vote it down in the House. If so I will certainly vote again for him.
But, I cannot vote for pols who are not representing our conservative values.
I am not saying anyone accused me of anything, but I have supported Bush steadfastly on everything he has done until this. I have argued with liberals countless times over his other policies. Now, he slaps us in the face, those who have supported him, by calling us names. Not the kind of thing I expect from the president I have supported all along. Even when he has been at his most unpopular I continued to support him.
However I can't support him on this bill. I don't see that as being vitriolic. I see that as having a difference of opinion on this issue.
You and I have a difference of opinion on this issue but I have not called you names or unleashed an attack on you for it.
I've been with you Sheila on most of the issues as you know.
I hate to see one of those dumbocrats take the WH, but if they do, I don't see it as our fault, but as the GOP's fault for not following conservative issues of less government and any number of other issues.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 9:29 AM
Scatbug
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Sheila
Sorry I'm joining the fray a bit late...I just made this comment over at Wil's, but it bears repeating here: A great deal of the conservative opposition to Bush reminds me of my lefty activist days, and why I left them behind. It's one thing to oppose the immigration bill, for example, but entirely another to use it to completely denigrate a good man and good president.
I think that we can oppose this bill at the risk of losing in '08. But that is merely a risk. To continue what is happening now is a guarantee that a Democrat wins.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 10:46 AM
SLW
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Great post!
I see BrianR is still dominating the conversation. He uses the "you have to be tough" argument. Well, on his blog everyone agrees with him. He doesn't know what being tough is, since he dominates the discussions on other people's blogs as well as his.
I am having fun, and at Red State you really have to be tough and defend your arguments. With Brian it's never a discussion of give and take. It's him beating everyone else over the head.
That's what I got tired of, and I see he's still at it.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 11:54 AM
BrianR
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Boo hoo, Sandra
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 2:30 PM
Virginia Daddy
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Changing subjects...
Who knows when the debate is this evening?
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 9:39 PM
Peppermint
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Sheila
What did you think of the debate tonight? Most prob. you'll have an article up tomorrow about it.
I still say we have some darn good men running on the GOP side.
I really love Huckabee. I know he doesn't really have a shot. But, that guy can communicate.
If he were the candidate I would vote for him.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 10:15 PM
Sheila
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Dave
Thanks...
I will be able to give more of a response to the bill when I see what happens with the debate and how it gets tweaked. We have some strong conservatives who will want some changes, but even the guy on Brian's link from California is for some kind of worker program.
We need to not have knee jerk reactions, and continue to communicate our desires, see how it goes, and I for one am not as negative about a bill that is comprehensive if it's done right.
For me the key issue is I do not want socialists/dictatorwannabes running the country.
And I am not in favor of tearing down the GOP and Bush, because 100% of our agenda hasn't gotten passed, and shooting ourselves in the foot to make a point that we're unhappy, and winding up with another Carter in the WH. ( No offense Jimmy...:)Any of the Dem candidates would be another Carter on the war, taxes, foreign policy, it would be disaster.
I'll comment later on the presidential debate, but honestly, our guys are SO far superior to any of the Left it's not even debatable.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 10:26 PM
Sheila
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Pep
Thanks...and I know you've been behind Bush as I have...I guess we just see things a little differntly in terms of the immigration debate as I mentioned to Dave.
I'll have more to say on it as the debate continues, and as we continue to voice our concerns. I'm not fatalistic about it.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 10:31 PM
Sheila
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Scatbug!
Wow...that's pretty amazing...sure wouldn't want to lose a good guy like you for those reasons...
I agree with you 100% on the president. I feel we are missing the boat by being so negative about him and his administration. We don't win anything by doing that, in my opinion.
I appreciate you coming by to say that.
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 10:46 PM
Sheila
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Sandra
Thanks...
Yeah, we're still going at it pretty hot and heavy over here...we're getting a little more civil, though...LOL
I'll be over to your place to see what's up!
Hope you'll be back blogging here at TH though!;)
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 10:50 PM
Sheila
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V Daddy
Sorry I missed your inquiry earlier...the debate will be repeated if you missed it. It was at four here on the Left Coast!
I'll have to watch the re-run...only saw a few snippets, but man, our guys are impressive compared to the libs! NO comparison!
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 11:06 PM
Sheila
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Dr. Steech
Cheer up, he's gone in 08!
We need to get excited about the election and getting back the majority and keeping the WH!
We do NOT want the demsocialists to take over the reigns of power!
LOL!
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Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 11:25 PM
Sheila
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Pep
I'll let you know! I'll be watching the re-run. I was impressed with the portion I saw...
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 5:35 AM
Peppermint
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Sheila
I've got a new article up about our soldiers being tortured. If you get a chance come on over.
I thought our guys did well in the debate. We have good men running. IMHO we already have good candidates from which to choose. And, all is not lost. And the dems looked dumb compared to them.
Edwards saying the WOT was just a bumper sticker about made me gag.
The following night on CNN they had some of the candidates talking about their "faith". Oh brother. Did you see that? Hillary talking about her faith cracked me up.
If you watch the after debate action on CNN, Arianna Huffington sounded like a droll idiot. She is the pits.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 7:58 AM
Virginia Daddy
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I caught the end
And a few throughts.
Huckabee stood out to me again. I think if I were to vote now, I'd vote for him.
Giulianni and Romney seemed a bit to full of themselves. I thought Romney's standing at every chance was a bit much. And their references to past leaders got tiresome. In the last bit I watched they at both referred to Lincoln and Reagan more than once, I think. McCain did, too, but I don't think he's getting the nod.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 7:59 AM
Virginia Daddy
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Pepp
On some news channels it seems that they can't put Dems and faith together enough. Really to the point of annoyance.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 10:20 AM
BrianR
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VaDad: I agree
I think McVain's dead in the water. I also think Giuliani's tanking.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 10:36 AM
Virginia Daddy
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McCain
Is dead. Not only is he not really conservative, but he comes across as dull and robotic. He's done.
Giuliani's a good talker, but he'll have a terribly hard time pulling in the conservatives. I don't think he'll get it. Of the big 3, that leaves Romeny, who, besides his Mormonism, I just don't think I like him. He seems dry and arrogant. A bit too stiff... I feel like he's hiding something.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 11:22 AM
Sheila
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Pep
I agree with you that Huckabee is definitely making an impression.
Truthfully, if you compare our guys to the libs, they all did extremely well...RP is the only weirdo, but he even did better than the libs...just goes to show how BAD they are.
I was really ticked at the stupid CNN Wolf Blitzed questions, but was pretty impressed with how our guys handled him. I was expecting some stupid questions from the audience, but they weren't that bad.
Hunter was good too, and I do like Giuliani...sorry for those of you who dislike him...LOL
I wasn't able to see Thompson on Hannity...what did you think?
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 11:26 AM
Sheila
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Pep,
I missed the "faith" interviews of the libs, but heard clips...it was like a comedy act...those people just can't fake it.
I couldn't believe some Chirstians were actually duped by Clinton when he ran, and were duped twice...brother...but this crowd just aren't as convincing as ol' slick.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 11:34 AM
Sheila
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V Daddy
Yeah, Huckabee is doing well. He looks confident and his answers are strong. His answer on evolution really socked it to Blitzed...dumb gotcha question. LOL
What did you think of Duncan Hunter? I like him a lot.
I like Rudy too...sorry...I can hear all the arguments already...
When you come down to it, all our guys are heads above the libs...:)
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 11:45 AM
Virginia Daddy
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Hunter
No real opinions on him. I missed much of the debate, and have not had the chance in the last month to really watch any. May put me back some...
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 11:46 AM
Virginia Daddy
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Oh and Shiela, on Rudy
I am not anti-Rudy, like many. I just don't think he's the best overall choice.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 12:37 PM
Sheila
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V Daddy
You've got to watch this debate if you can get a tape of it. It was really great. It showed how sharp our guys are, and how absolutely vapid the left is.
Rudy really got on the Libby endightment, and he knocked it out of the park! He knows the facts.
I'm really excited. The press is looking BAD!
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 12:37 PM
BrianR
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Giuliani's kiss of death:
Guns. He's a gun grabber.
Since 1980 the GOP candidate has won every time, and only if, endorsed by the NRA.
No way does Giuliani get the endorsement.
Even Klintoon credited gun owners with Al Snore's loss.
We gun owners are vocal and active, and we vote our guns. We don't vote for a gun grabber even when he's running against another gun grabber, i.e. Hillary v. Bald Hillary. Because that's exactly how we'd see that race. We don't have a dog running, so we spend the day at the range instead.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 12:43 PM
Sheila
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Btw, V Daddy
I am really looking forward to the election. I believe the Left is nailing their own coffin because everyone can see for themselves who these people are!
I am really jazzed about our potential to take back the house and senate and getting a great president in the WH!!!
LOL
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 12:46 PM
Virginia Daddy
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Rudy's other great fault.
Abortion.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 12:47 PM
Virginia Daddy
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Let's hope
you are right.
I think folks will and are beginning to see that the dems are what they claimed to be.
We still need to make sure we get good people in the right places.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 12:51 PM
Sheila
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Uh oh...I knew it...:)
Just what I expected to hear from you, Brian. LOL
I LOVED the debates last night. It TOTALLY contrasted our side with the libs.
I loved every confrontation with Blitzed...he wasn't in control like he thought he'd be. Our guys stood up to him and did an awesome job!
I am excited and no one can get me down! Sorry!..:)
Things are not as dire as they would seem. The press is looking stupid, the libs are looking stupid and we are looking sharp, fun, smart,capable and independent in thought, not the usual lockstep robots that are the left.
I LOVE IT! Go guys, and keep it up! You're looking good!...:)
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 1:01 PM
Sheila
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V Daddy
I am really excited...we have a real advantage over the robotic left, and it's pretty obvious.
Rudy is not FOR abortion. He believes the issue should be left to the states. Roe v Wade should have never happened. The feminists got ahold of Roe, used her for their purposes, and now SHE wants it reversed! Her case is pending before the Supreme Court, I believe. That will certainly be ineteresting to watch when the Bush appointees have a chance to look at that case.
There are a lot of exciting possibilities as the elections draw near. Thompson will be throwing his hat in the ring, and our side is getting some really good TV time, and are being shown to be likeable people not the mean ol' conservatives they we are all painted to be by the press...I think it's funny how it's starting to really make the press look bad.
Yaaaay! LOL
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 1:21 PM
Virginia Daddy
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He's kinda nebulous on it
abortion, that is. And many conservatives will expect him to be fully pro-life.
Rudy would bring a couple traits needed to be successful: he can communicate and he can administer. In other words, he is a great leader. I am not sure he will lead in the right direction, though. I respect him, and would support if he were the nominee, but I think there are people whom I'd like more to be the nominee, Huckabee to name one.
The media truly shows the candidates in differing lights, as the faith discussion shows...
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 2:09 PM
BrianR
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Ah-nuld gets it!
In a statement today (6/6) supporting Bush and scamnesty, Schwarzenneger made the amazingly hilarious observation that “We don’t have enough workers in Silicon Valley”.
There you have it, folks, straight from the Governator. Illegal aliens; writing the programs Americans won’t write!
I’m not making this up.
The reason I'm putting this here is to highlight the problem of having a RINO in the top spot, either at the state or national level.
Something to think about.
Kalifornia's already a lost cause. You want that on the national level?
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 2:38 PM
Virginia Daddy
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Did anyone else pick up
on Wolf's comment about how "The Term." was so popular in CA by uniting everyone?
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 2:54 PM
Sheila
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V Daddy
Yeah, I like Hiucakbee too...I'm really jazzed about our side. I think we have a great chance of showing the regular "Joe" out there we have the best, and brightest on our side.
The dems look too negative boring and robotic. They have no personality, and are SO hard to listen to!
Our guys are smart, funny, qualified, strong, they stand up to the press (they were totally bamboozled by Chris Mathews, but they sure learned from that!) I love it I love it! We are looking good! LOL
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 2:59 PM
Sheila
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V Daddy
Yeah!
Good ol' Blitzed...that was SO obvious! Trying to get his "views" in there...the left just can't keep their big mouths shut...
I think our guys did a great job of not letting Blitzed control the dialogue.
Blitzer really looked BAD last night, thanks to our sharp contenders.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 3:03 PM
Sheila
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Brian
I think we are going to get a good bill...the fight is on...:)
The dems are going to look BAD.
They ARE BAD, and they are going to LOSE. LOL
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 3:41 PM
BrianR
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Sheila: A "good bill"
I'm interested in your definition of that. What do you consider a "good bill"?
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 4:34 PM
Sheila
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Brian
Secure borders, build wall where possible, use drones, virtual fence, more border patrol agents. Including same action where it is necessary on northern border.
Uphold current laws. Fine companies that break the law. Raid companies and deport illegals as is being done.
Eliminate anchor babies.
Worker program for good workers after background check, finger printing entered in data base. (agree with guy on your link above)If any laws are broken will face deportation, taken off of list for worker program.
All who want ot become citizens go back to country of origin and apply, same process as everyone else.
Also a data base to register those leaving the country as Rudy said.
What are your proposals?
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 6:07 PM
BrianR
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That sounds like a "good bill"
to me, too, except for the "worker program" which is again amnesty, which is the very crux of the whole debate.
You know what else you described? The 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Reform Act which is the current law of the land.
So. If we already have about everything you described, and it's never been enforced before, why should we at all believe things are going to be any different this time? Except for the amnesty, of course. Somehow, that seems to go into effect with no problem.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 8:08 PM
Peppermint
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Sheila
Interesting discussion you have going on about the candidates.
I really, really like Huckabee. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. He, I thought, more than any of the other candidates, gave Wolfblitzkreig his head, and in a way that was so non-brutal that no one could even criticize him. He was brilliant on the evolution question and the pro life question. Just absolutely brilliant. I was knocked down by the guy.
And, apparently I was not the only one. Frank Lund who does focus groups was on Hannity today and he said Huckabee was the surprise last night and could possibly move out of the 2nd tier. btw, Sheila, Frank Lund will be on Hannity tonight with the results of the focus group. Should be interesting.
I don't dislike Rudy either. I still think he has good qualities for a leader. And, he is likable. When I watch him there is something about him that, no matter what issues you may disagree with him on, I still end up liking him. I don't like what he did to his wife though.
I thought Hunter came across a little too droll and not very personable myself. Although I like most of his policies.
It's funny how people come across differently to different people. Like VADaddy thought Romney came across as arrogant, but I didn't see that. It's all just different perspectives. And, rightly so. We all have different experiences in life and look at things in so many varied ways.
Oh, yeah, Frank Lund said that Fred Thompson beats them all hands down and he isn't even in the race yet. And, no I didn't see the interview but another TH friend sent me the video of it.
I haven't had time to see it yet as I was working today.
Sheila, on that immigration bill, if the pols would show us that they meant business about closing the borders down to illegals, I could probably accept other portions of the bill. But, they have not proven to me that they will enforce the border first. I need that part. I need to see their actions, not their words, which so far is all we've ever gotten in the last 20 years.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 9:42 PM
BrianR
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Pepp: LOL
Rudy "has good qualities for a leader..." of the Democrats.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 9:47 PM
BrianR
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As to border security, Pepp
You hit it. Border security first, as a stand-alone bill. Secure the border FIRST, discuss everything else AFTER that's happened.
The reason the political hacks don't want to do that is they know that if the border's ever truly secured, no way in hell will they ever be able to get amnesty or anything else like it past the public.
I KNOW why the Dems want amnesty: tens of millions of future Dem voters. I don't understand why the GOP is willing to commit suicide over this thing, because once amnesty happens, and all these illegal aliens start down their little "path to citizenship", no WAY are they ever going to end up as Republicans.
RIP, GOP.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 10:57 PM
Sheila
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Brian
No, the worker program I would propose is different than the current worker visa because it will be tamper proof, and implemented through Homeland security.
Just as the visa card now isn't, this wouldn't be amnesty. But there has to be a data base like Rudy said to verify who leaves. Right now people are overstaying their visas. That will be harder to happen.
The point you're making that it won't be enforced as it isn't now... not if homeland security is involoved, and if there are huge penalties for companies that don't comply.
Right now companies don't have to verify anything through HS.
The truth is, Brian, we have laws, and there will be people who break them just like they do every law of the land...so no matter how tight the bill is there will still be those who break the law. That's why we have prisons, and deportation laws.
But, this is all moot anyway. If this bill doesn't get tweaked enough to satisfy all sides, it won't pass, and somebody isn't going to like whatever happens, on both sides, so I'm waiting to see how it evolves, and I'm listening to people who I agree with on political issues, who I trust, and I will form my opinion.
This is an issue that has gone on for decades, remember when AlGore was bringing in tens of thousands of immigrants without background checks, and all the criminals wound up here from Mexico? And Clinton was bringing in all the refugees from the Middle East, when he was doing his wag the dog war. The Ft. Dix six came out of that fiasco.
Personally from what I've heard from people I trust and respect and who are knowelegeable and on the same page as I am politically, ie conservatives, this bill is pretty good.
But I'm not going to debate this, because it's a moot point. Our debate here won't change a thing, only communicating with our representatives will make a difference.
My focus is on winning the election in 08, and I'm excited about our chances, and we will be able to get things done right with an overwhelming majority in the House and the senate, and a good candidate in the WH.
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Wednesday, June, 06, 2007 11:12 PM
Sheila
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Pep
Yeah it's intersting isn't it...we all have our different perceptions and likes and dislikes. That's why it's impossible to please everybody all the time...:)
But I am really encouraged after the debate, because it shows how much better our candidates are.
I loved the way they handled ol' Blitzed! I was cracking up! I loved it.
As to the immigration bill, I think we have enough strong conservatives to get it tweaked, but not everyone will be happy no matter what.
And putting it off is not necessarily good either. The candidates have probably influenced that debate...
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 5:37 AM
Peppermint
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Sheila and Brian
HS was part and parcel of getting Ramos and Compos
two border guards convicted and sent to prison for shooting a drug smuggler in the butt. They got ten years in prison for this. The whole case was a crock. HS is not going to help secure the border. Our own border agents can't even do their job right now. That is a big problem.
Brian, I didn't say Rudy would be a good leader for the repubs. I thought the was a good leader during 9/11 for NYC. He may be good for the dems, at least there would be one who supported the GWOT instead of a bunch of dims who want our country to bow to Islam.
Border security first, then we talk about the rest. This bill won't get through the House the way it is written. Hopefully the House will do better than this. Whatever, if it passes the GOP can kiss itself goodbye as Brian said, these illegals will vote for the dims, the ones who hand out all the welfare goodies for them as most are so undereducated they will never make it in this country without welfare help.
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 5:52 AM
Peppermint
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Sheila
WASHINGTON, June 6 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In one of the crucial tests of the Senate immigration bill, 51 senators voted to grant amnesty to illegal alien terrorists and criminals. By a 46-51 vote, the Senate rejected an amendment offered by Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) that would have barred illegal aliens who have been determined to have committed terrorist acts, or who have been convicted of a variety of criminal offenses, including gang activity, from eligibility for the proposed Z visa amnesty that would allow them to remain in this country indefinitely.
The above rejected amendment is one reason, and there are plenty others, why a lot of us don't want or like this new "immigration" bill.
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 11:18 AM
Sheila
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Pep
It's amazing the opinions accross the board on this bill, on the conservative side...I'm sure it will be done right, or it won't pass. Our side wants a good bill.
We do have to get it right, because doing nothing just continues the status quo.
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 11:26 AM
Jimmy Carter
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Correction:
"Our side wants a good bill."
The majority of "Our side" does not want a "good bill," We want the existing laws enforced.
We do not want and/or need a new law from Our federal government that addresses a single issue containing more pages than The Holy Bible.
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 11:40 AM
Sheila
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Ha, Jimmy!
" We the people" seem to be getting heard, so guess things are working...I however don't agree with your "correction"...LOL I am hearing quite a variety of perspectives on the conservative side...
Btw, what did you think of the debate? I am really excited about our potential victory in 08!
I was quite impressed with our candidates!
I loved the way they handled Wolf Blitzed! Too cool!
Who is your fav at this point?
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 11:46 AM
Sheila
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Btw, jimmy
Where do you stand on Thompson entering the race? Seems he's inching up there into second place behind Rudy...hmmm.
Any picks for VP as his running mate?
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 12:05 PM
Jimmy Carter
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I agree on yer disagreement.
I agree there may be "quite a variety of perspectives," but from what I'm witnessing the loudest and more persisent perspective is to kill the bill and not rewrite it.
This issue is easy enough that almost all Americans understand that sneaking into Our Country is wrong and always has been and want it to always be as such.
As to the "debates," I haven't watch one of those since President Ronaldus Maximus was on television, and even then I was to young to vote (insert crying here).
I like Mr. Thompson's strategy of teasing the electorate and watching the ground swell with hunger of such a candidate. I find it entertaining. I can just imagine the front runners thinking,"Shut up about Fred! He's not even running yet!"
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 12:19 PM
BrianR
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I agree
Thompson's doing a masterful job of entering this race.
Next Prez of the US!
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 12:28 PM
Sheila
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Jimmy :-)
Funny...too bad you missed the debate it was fun to watch our guys tweak Blitzer...
The one thing for sure is, we have the strongest and the best candidates, period.
It certainly contrasted our side, showing we have qualified, smart, knowledgeable, funny, likeable candidates not the mean ol' republicans the media paints us as...:)
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 12:30 PM
Sheila
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And, Jimmy, Brian
Thompson is a good candidate too. We'll see what happens...:)
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 1:26 PM
davecatbone
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Sheila
Watching the Democrats reactions to any of the conservative amendments proposed, makes me believe this bill will never get passed. If it in any way makes commons sense, the Democrats will kill it and blame the Right. I think the next POTUS will have the power to enforce the laws and protect the border without a bill.
By the way, Duncan Hunter implied that the fence construction is being deliberately slowed down by the White House. Did you catch that? Very interesting.
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 2:08 PM
Sheila
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Dave
It is an interesting thing to watch...the dems don't want anything that might be good for the country. Period. They just want more power, so anything that doesn't do that for them they will fight.
You're certainly right when you say "anything that makes common sense the democrats will kill it and blame the Right". And the MSM will help them do it as usual...
I heard Duncan's inference...well, he's running for the office...I would like to see our side go after the dem candidates intead of each other...
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Thursday, June, 07, 2007 6:44 PM
davecatbone
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Sheila
Rudy's got that corner covered. And a good strategy it is. He's scoring high whenever he does. And whenever Illegal Aliens come up, the scores drop through the basement. I think Rudy is actually running the smartest campaign, at least at the debates.
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Friday, June, 08, 2007 1:45 AM
wil
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something strange
I posted a comment on a post you did about your birthday, and suddenly right after I posted, the whole thing is gone....strange things are afoot.
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Friday, June, 08, 2007 3:47 AM
Sanity102
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yeah...I had seen it earlier
and was going to comment as requested, what happened?
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Friday, June, 08, 2007 10:18 AM
wil
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no idea
I have never seen a whole post vanish before. A comment yes, a blog post with 10 or so comments? No.
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Friday, June, 08, 2007 11:17 AM
Sheila
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Sorry, Sanity and Wil
I thought the birthday blog had run it's course, so I deleted it...:(
I guess I jumped the gun...
I appreciate your attempts, though. Maybe I'll do a similar blog without the birthday theme...it's a fun way to get to know people on TH a little better...
Thanks for stopping by, and again, my apologies...LOL
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Friday, June, 08, 2007 11:29 AM
Sheila
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Dave
Yeah...it can look petty to hit your own side, especially at this point in the game...I agree with you that Rudy is doing a good job.
I'm still in disbelief at Edward's comment that the WOT is a bumper sticker.
After Slick and Hill were elected twice, I was wondering if our country had finally lost it. Imagine Edwards as President...
Any of the current lib candidates would simply be another Carter. That would not be a pretty picture...
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Friday, June, 08, 2007 1:38 PM
Sheila
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Well everyone...
Looks like our democracy still works...when the people speak loudly, Washington listens...
Seems a lot of folks, not just the right didn't like the bill...
Hmmm...
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Saturday, June, 09, 2007 2:55 AM
Sheila
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Btw, Dave
I liked your blog about the Enemedia's take on the subject...think I'll head back to your place to see what's up!
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Saturday, June, 09, 2007 6:45 AM
Sanity102
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Sheila
and in a couple of years, we can compare it with the bill the Dems will pass and Queen Hil will sign...
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Saturday, June, 09, 2007 1:16 PM
Sheila
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Sanity
You are correct...unless we get off our tush and get behind our party...
We are living in a dream world if we think having the dems in total control of our government will be an excercise in "finding our next Reagan"...it may just be too late for that.
We are not dealing with rational people here. We are dealing with dictator wannabes who admire thugs like Chavez, Castro etc, have sympathy ffor the jihadists, want a world court, want us bowing to the dictates of the UN, think America needs to be brought down a couple of pegs, and should share our super power status.
I simply do not understand the mentality that says less is more. I can't understand taking out our frustration with a few people in the party and throwing everyone out, and winding up with Barbara Boxer (elections have consequences, Barb) and her buds telling us how she is going to ruin our country...
Oh well...
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