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Comment on: Death of the Butcher

Josef V. Stalin

6 Comments

WELCOME

"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition."

-- Thomas Jefferson (Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XIX,,
1787)


"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be too severe upon their errors, but reclaim them by enlightening them. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, Judges, and Governors, shall all become wolves."

-- Thomas Jefferson (letter to Edward Carrington, 16 January 1787)

J. Stalin

"There is frequently more to be learned from the unexpected questions of a child than the discourses of men"
John Locke



"The improvement of understanding is for two ends: first, our own increase of knowledge; secondly, to enable us to deliver that knowledge to others”
John Locke

McCarthy

If there wasn't McCarthy in the US, we would probably hug with both hands either Stalinism either Fascism.

Recently i read a very intersting article, right here on townhall.com by Ann Coluter
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2003/08/07/when_good_historians_go_bad
which i believe has very tight connections with the article that you mentoined.

As the matter of fact, she specifically refers to Arnold Beichman and his perception of McCarthy by strongly defending the fact, that if there was no McCarthy, America would probably be one of the communist countries (which we all know how they are operate in the post-communist period - terrible) by now and we should be thankful to McCarthy. Which i agree totaly with her.

However there were and still are many speculations about McCarthy's intervention in the US diplomacy and selecting the communists and the 'communists'.

I did a research regarding to that, and something similar to your fact-checking of the article, on my article by Ann Coulter, and I came up with a few things.

* · There are many publications and columns praising and blaming Ann Coulter for her lack of knowledge and facts regarding to Joe McCarthy and McCarthyism. Obviously Ann devoted the whole chapter in her book “Treason” to McCarthy himself, and about the rest of the book to McCarthyism and insulting the liberals how they were cooperating with Nazis and Soviets during the World War II approximately until Stalin’s death in 1953. Which can be seen right here:
http://hnn.us/articles/1554.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8793

I personally didn’t get a chance to read her book “Treason”, but I took it into consideration after this article of her that I have read.

* It is still not clear if the people blamed that they were cooperating with communists by McCarthy were really doing that, or they are falsely announced as Soviet spies. Ann Coulter is convinced that there is no single person harmed by McCarthy’s investigation. While according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_mccarthy#Ongoing_debate those people that were "correctly identified by McCarthy”, were actually part of the conspiracy that is “questionable or demonstrably incorrect”. So, there is no such a list that clearly states were the people that McCarthy blamed as communist ‘comrades’ in US Government really that or not.

* · According to http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/clubb-obit.html Edmund Clubb was not ‘reddish’ neither working against US Government. Mc Carthy suspected that the reports Mr. Clubb was bringing from China about China’s communist system were actually pro-communist. And they actually weren’t. Clubb was just saying that the communism might start spreading toward the west. He also said that ‘the communists were strong and popular in the regions they ruled’. Of course they were! The people who were ruled by the communists were not aware of other political system with which the communism could be compared to. So they weren’t actually available at all to compare communism with some other system because they couldn’t see any other system.

* · John Paton Davies, member of the China Hands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Hands together with Edmund Clubb, was not actually guilty for doing his job. Although nine accusations failed to prove Davies’s guilt, McCarthy was still persistent in doing so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Davies (check ‘Accusations and Dismisal’ section). He was one of the best experts on China from before, during and after the WWII. Davies ‘he advocated US relations with Communist China to forestall a Soviet takeover’, but there is no clear evidence that he was one of the ‘comrades’.


So far there are really only two people that could be misatkenly called communists, although Mr. Davies is still a conspiracy. But, who knows how many more of them could be inside the US that McCarthy didn't revealed. And what would happend if nobody came to that idea? Would America be a communist country?



Comrade Stalin

Stalin is great!
Glorious Comrade Stalin is truly an inspiration for us all. It is a shame that there are people today that do not appreciate the things that our great leader did for not only his own countrymen but for the socialist cause as a whole.
Comrade Stalin will forever be remembered as the greatest leader of all time!

???

Yeah he did so much, that Social Russia got separated and still cannot recover. Besides taht he killed over 20 mil. of his own people that did not want to praise him or Communism. Social cause as well... does it exist anymore at this time except in Korea?
So what important he did that will be beneficial for socialism and history?

stalin was garbage

Dozens of elderly survivors, many leaning on crutches, were helped by younger relatives as they shuffled under flags with black ribbons and the cathedral’s bells chimed in mourning.

“My grandfather cut and dried loafs of bread and hid them in sacks to his dying day many years after the famine,” said Lidia Kolysnichenko, 67, from the village of Irpin near Kiev.

Historians say that Stalin deliberately provoked the famine by having harvests taken out of Ukraine and having secret police confiscate whatever scarce grain reserves farmers tried to hide.

Even according to the most conservative figures, some 25,000 people died every day in Ukraine, or 17 people every minute, in 1933. Cases of cannibalism were widespread.

“Our neighbor killed his wife, dismembered her body and was seen to make soup of her,” said 82-year old Volodymyr Pianov, his hand trembling. “It was not the only case when people ate each other in our village.”

His village of Kriuchki in the eastern Kharkiv region, one of area’s most devastated by the famine, died out almost entirely.

Earlier this year, Ukraine declassified more than 1,000 files documenting the famine, and Ukraine’s President Leonid Kuchma signed a law establishing a day of remembrance for famine victims.

In a related development, the Pulitzer Prize Board said Friday it would not revoke a prize awarded in 1932 to a reporter for The New York Times who was accused of deliberately ignoring the famine in Ukraine to preserve his access to Stalin.

The Pulitzer board said there was not clear evidence of deliberate deception.

Walter Duranty covered the Soviet Union for the Times from 1922 to 1941, earning acclaim for an exclusive 1929 interview with Stalin. Duranty was later criticized for reporting the Communist line rather than the facts.

The board’s decision was immediately criticized by Ukrainian groups, who sent more than 15,000 letters and postcards to the Pulitzer committee demanding the prize be withdrawn.

“We certainly will continue to press for revocation,” said Victoria Hubska of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America.” “Duranty misled international community. The lie should be punished.”