Farrakhanism Is Not Islam

What is the point of what you have written? There is no way possible to separate Farrakhan from radical Islam.

Whatever they believe and why they believe it is what makes them dangerous. Obama's spiritual adviser and mentor Rev. Wright has written about Farakhan very positively. He has taken a trip with Farakhan to Libya (america's enemy). Wright and Obama refer to Farakhan as "minister" demonstrating a sense of respect for this racist anti semite. Obama would welcome his close associates like Farakhan, Wright and Rezko to the whitehouse and they would influence his leadership of this country. Didn't Obama's mother teach him how to pick friends? As a man thinketh so is he, and so far, Obama's associates paint a very disturbing picture for americans. AMERICANS SHOULD SAY NO TO OBAMA AND HIS GANG OF CROOKS AND RACISTS!

Religion is, by its very nature, irrational and unreasonable, and senseless. Religions were begat and continue to this day to answer the questions which we mortal humans can not answer through our sensory perceptions, or our rational reason, with the primary question being, "What happens to us when we die?"
As there are more brands of Baptists and methods of Methodism than I can recall, I suppose that it's to be expected that there would be a myriad of differing Muslims, as there are a cacophony of Catholics. I used to think that Catholicism was the most irrational, unreasonable, senseless, and therefore, stupidest of all of the religions. But, the more I know of them, the more I know that Islam wins that distinction with no real competition.

The problem with some is that they cannot really accept or identify reality when it is staring them in their faces.

I believe that your essay was well written, documented, and presented a clear message.

I am not on the business of beating people up and sounds like you neitehr. We just present the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Mr. Obama does have some explaining to do, just as every other politician out there. In order to be president, your live better be an open book.

I knew it was a matter of time before a whacko surfaced, and, NATIVEEYES, you rang that bell. Your cutesy semantic games are unusual for a CAPS TYPER. Farrakhan said:

"This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better," he said. "This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."

Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion's founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.

=Associated Press, Feb. 24, 2008
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jsH788z7q8_B5BpcOtdkCK0I wN5wD8V11KQO0

This is an unequivocal endorsement. If it walks like a duck, flys like a duck, and quacks like a duck, nativeeyes, it's a duck.

NO clergyman has the right to make political speech and expect to remain in a tax-exempt status. They've crossed the line between church and state. As far as Wright just saying things to rile up his "natives," if my preacher spoke of white exclusion and separatism, and reparations for whites who've lost income and jobs to blacks, he'd be hung out to dry. No pass for Wright.

So, please type, if at all, in lower case and not CAPS, and please don't split hairs.

IKESTER, don't get too wound up. Read what I wrote. I was pointing out that there is a tendency to confuse NOI with an Islamic sect. It is not.

The radical Islamists are playing NOI as fools. As far as radical Islamics go, "an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine." The Islamists aren't stupid. They know that they can hoodwink NOI into doing their dirty work under the guise of advancing Farrakhanism. NOI will take the fall, and the Islamists will treat them as any other group of kafirs.

Farrakhanism enjoys wide tolerance in the black community as a legitimate religious organization. It is not. NOI and Farrakhan are hoodwinking a lot of inner city people into believing that they are "believing."

Not all Muslims are radical Islamists and NOI is not a religious organization.

NATIVEEYES, I don't know how you came to think that I was supporting Billary, adultery, Eliot Spitzer, Cruella DeVille, or the cops that are about to kick in your door.

That statement shows your bias and is not a valid assessment of my position. In fact, you made me laugh out loud. Thanks. It's been a long day and I needed the whacky humor.

Perhaps your beastly statement is better brayed to the real sheep. There are no sheep here.

No bull, either.

Feeling sheepish?

Thanks, Joe.

Amid all of the cries of racism, guilt by association, blah, blah, I'm only trying to point out things that Obama needs to clarify.

From my searching, it appears that pro-reparationists were as unhappy with Obama's response in the South Carolina debate as were anti-reparationists.

Separatism is an explosive issue, too. It equate to segregation. After a half-century of judicially-forced desegregation, I suspect that attempts to (or even serious consideration of) apportioning a separate state for blacks from the land of the US would trigger a second Civil War.

That Obama's spiritual mentor of 20 years has been quite hawkish on the topic leads me to wonder what Obama's intentions are - just as John F. Kennedy explained 48 years ago that, if elected as President, he was not going to govern by the dictates of Rome or the Catholic Church.

Nativeeyes, your personal brushes with Farrakhan don't leave me with the warm and fuzzies.

The NOI is the organization that Farrakhan fronts. The FOI is the name of the NOI storm troopers. (Perception, no matter how real)

I don't deny that Farrakhan has done good things for some African-Americans. In fact, his community support tempered my generally negative view of him for many years (since the late 70's-early 80's). However, I do not fault him for the good he does but the the anti-American hate that he has stirred in the black community.

I encountered that NOI hate first-hand in a public service role, including with children. I saw the adults' and childrens' responses to me change after being exposed to his trash.

Your position is that he is generally harmless because he only says hateful, anti-Semitic, anti-(non-black) things to his own people. Not good enough.

I've heard Farrakhan, too. I've read the Final Call. Hell, you can even get the stuff on the Internet if you try.

Although he is just a sick, old man these days (and, as a person, I wish him better health), I cannot countenance the steady drumbeat of hate that comes from his organization.

There are common aspects of Farrakhan's and Wright's teachings -- not religious -- that I find particularly odious to good order and the harmony of Americans.

Each pander to the anger in their followers by playing upon race, and by demanding a separate society. Each is un-American and anti-Constitutional. Their words tied them together for me, not another commentator, columnist, or blogger.

You recognized that Farrakhan generated quite a backlash in his own community.

Farrakhan and Wright each have a right to be as angry and as venemous and as anti-anything as they wish. I would fight to the death to support their right. However, when they are so closely tied to a Presidential candidate, then explanations are in order.

Nativeeyes, you're still missing my point. My point is that Obama needs to answer questions on certain topics.

That Rev. Wright is out does not matter to my point. Rev. Wright made the questions relevant. I didn't even know that he was part of Obama's team. That raises even more questions.

Whatever McCain's pastor says is not relevant to that point. McCain's pastor may raise separate questions. I have yet to review what he said. Even if he does, it does not matter to the questions that Obama needs to answer.

Thanks for your reply, though.

It doesn't matter that Obama denounced Wright's statements, because Obama never said where he stood on the positions that are not related to the statements - black separatism and slavery reparations.

So, Obama denounced Wright's horrid statements about AIDS, or 9/11, or "God D@mn America"? What does that have to do with the issues I raised?

In that regard, Farrakhan also is very relevant, precisely because he also calls for black separatism and slavery reparations.

Oh, and you are dead wrong about Farrakhan not saying "snot in 15 years." See for yourself.

You never seem to answer the question, or address the point square-on.

While some points you make are interesting, and I appreciate the insights drawn from your experiences, none are relevant to the issues that I raised.

I only request that Obama voice his positions on the issues of black separatism, in any form, and slavery reparations, in any form.

In fact, after watching Obama tonight, I believe him to be insincere. He looks more like a deer in the headlights than the high-road visionary that he makes himself out to be.

While it is true that the rhetoric of Wright and Farrakhan added smoke and heat to these issues, Obama's denunciation of some of their words has no relevance.

His positions, not his rhetoric, are what determines whether he is worthy of American votes.

One final comment on your poorly concealed arrogance.

Just who are "YOU PEOPLE"?

Because I am not Native American or Black, I couldn't have personally suffered racism or inequity or cruelty? "Walk a mile in my moccasins?" "My suffering has been worse than yours"?

Or is it that because I am not Native American or Black, I cannot be outraged for the racism or inequity or cruelty suffered by my ancestors?

Am I not allowed to carry a great *symbolic* burden, bestowed upon me by my insufficiently-suffering forebearers, because you don't think my skin or my ancestry lack the proper hues or origins?

Or is it because I am not Native American or Black, my observations and analyses are inauthentic, inaccurate, or insincere?

That's certainly what you are putting across here.

Is it time for you to show your racist side, because you think I'm not persuaded by your other arguments? Do you think the right reply to this will be to call *me* out as a racist?

Those attitudes are racist, condescending, and elitist.

I don't give a rat's patoot about who you think "YOU PEOPLE" are, and whether you think I am one of "THEM."

At the end of it all, I'm just glad I'm not you.

Nativeeyes, you continue to go off on irrelevant tangents and are not adding any insight to the issue.

Somehow, you think that I oppose Obama's positions. In fact, I do not know what they are. In particular, I want to hear him articulate his positions on black liberation and black separatism, as well as slavery reparations.

Do you dare to tell me what Obama is thinking?

You either haven't been reading what I wrote or have your own agenda to push. Because you raise irrelevant issues, it's clear you are advancing your own agenda in this forum. What's your purpose?

You approach the notion of black separatism as something my racist mind conjured up.

Black separatism, in one form or another, is a central tenet of the teachings of both Wright and Farrakhan, as is the issue of slavery reparations.

Are you saying that they are not serious about separatism, and everyone knows it, but they are serious about reparations, because the blacks are owed reparations? Your arguments lack logic.

I consider Wright and Farrakhan as men of their word. They say what they mean and believe in what they say. I believe that Obama sees them as men of their word, too.

Because Obama chose to affiliate (not just associate) himself with Wright's church for 20 years, knowing Wright's positions and preaching, it is reasonable to infer that Obama also holds at least some of Wright's beliefs and values.

How those beliefs and values impact Obama's actions and plans as President and Commander-in-Chief are very valid grounds for inquiry, and are not private matters. Obama must address these issues directly.

Any attempts at a separate homeland would spark a civil war that would not end well for the separatists. Similarly, any heavy-handed attempts to shove huge reparations settlement down the throats of the non-black, non-slave acenstry citizens also would begin a painful period of strife and turmoil.

Or do you not care about that?

What racist trash you spew. Keep your pompous lectures for your people.

So, my views aren't valid because I am not an African-American? My views aren't valid because I am not a Native American? You believe yourself to be more noble and worthy than I.

You are just like the white bigots you claim oppress you and the blacks you patronize. In fact, without the white trash, you would have no purpose in life.

You have no idea of who I am, my ethnicity or my ancestry.

Apparently, you assume that I am wealthy and white, my ancestors have not suffered as much as yours, and I have not suffered as much as you. Because you seem to know my type, Oh Wise One, I am another paleface sheep.

Your childish "My d!ck is bigger than yours" oneupsmanship shows how truly insecure you are. Too bad for you.

In fact, your endless attempts to push overt racism on this thread have nothing to do with Obama or his positions, and everything to do with telling the world how wonderful think you you are.

Your delusion that both Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists respect Wabanaki nation members enough not to attack them is stunningly beyond asinine and so totally lacking rationality to be almost unworthy of comment.

If it turns out that the members of the Wabanaki nation are aiding and abetting those terrorists, I'm all for snuffing out every one of them.

However, I doubt that they are aiding and abetting but merely lucky. Thank our military's "Surge" for your compatriots' safety.

Again, why should I pay reparations? My family came here long after the offenses occurred. Why should I support any form of re-segregation or separatism, merely because some blacks now think it is advantageous? Desegregation was necessary, if painful, and it is a fool's task to undo that.

Nativeeyes, I know a lot more than you think I do. Your comments do not inform, only display your uneducated, racist myopia.

Our discussion is over.

Your illiterate, vile, rambling, inaccurate, and hateful rants expose you for who and what you are.

You are drunk on hate, on arrogance, on ignorance, on racism, and on delusions of grandeur. Quite a cocktail.

You can continue with half-baked multiple rants on each thread, I don't care.

I'll no longer respond to you.