Let's Use Saul Alinsky's Methods Against Them

Excellent blog. Of all Obama's associations, his association with Saul Alinsky is the most disturbing to me. The reason for that is simple: Alinsky was a proud marxist propogandist. His words could be used to brainwash the mentally weak. Obama used two words during his whole campaign. "Change" and "hope", and it worked. The scariest thing Alinsky put forth was to put fear into the people, then divide and conquer your enemies. Obama certainly has done that. That's why a sitting President targeted a radio talk show host.

works for me. I like this, perhaps you'd consider going forward one issue at a time with suggestions? Forwarding them to the Tea Party Organizers? Good job....

I concur with you 100%.I believe this country is in for an epic struggle,there will come a point at which we either pull ourselves back or dive headlong into the abyss.The country is not ready at this moment to accept conservative leadership unfortunately minds will only change when our country incurs more damage.As much as I abhor to agree with Geraldo Rivera when he said that they had more people come out at single location for the hispanic May Day immigration protest than we had for Tax Day all the locations combined.That illustrates how lethargic and apathetic our populace has become,but it was a great start and hopefully a launch pad for a greater turnout on the 4th.

whipping out his laminated CliffsNotes version of Saul's manifesto and checking to see what he should do next. He's following the methods pretty much verbatim.

coordination but first we need to determine if that's the way we want to proceed. After the Tea Parties, the question kept coming up: what's next? Seems to me that another MUCH BIGGER turnout (on a Saturday) will bring all of us together so we can move forward with reestablishing the Constitution and the rule of law.

You're right, we are in for a struggle. Until now, we've been so splintered and uncordinated, we've not been able to hold back the tide of liberalism. We're going to have to come together and fight as a team to thwart D'ohbama, Pelosi, Reid, etc.

I have been called a conspirist for suggesting this entire meltdown was the ultimate "October Surprise". When the effort to foil the war in Iraq failed after trying every means in the barrel bottom to undermine the troops, they finally had to admit the surge worked and the election turned at that point to a 50/50 tie between Obama nad McCain with the momentum in the Republican's direction. Then - WHAM - out of the blue comes a sub-prime mortgage crisis that Frank and Dodd had been saving as plan B just in case the war theme did not get their man elected. Bush five times, the first only a month into his first term, took his MBA from Harvard, looked at the balance sheet and said something is terribly wrong with this picture. This Fannie and Freddie affirmative action program(s) is 100% a democrat program since 1977 under the Carter administration and put on steroids by Clinton with threats from Janet Reno to the banks to lend money to unqualified minorities. Bush pushed the matter further when he used extortion-according to Judge Napolitano of Fox News-to make banks continue this program. Why the double standard Mr. Bush? How can you on one day say the programs are in deep and then force banks to "keep up the good work"? Since the Republicans threw Newt under the bus, there has been one party in this country, and this is the massive problem we face now. Winning by any means including total economic collapse is Alinsky incarnate!

This needs to become passed around regularly.

Garnet, great blog! Right Wing Extremist Radicals such as we have always behaved civilly. Because we believe so strongly in the basic rights of freedom of speech, we radicals have turned the other cheek to our detriment.

When idiot pundits/snooozecasters liken participants of the tea parties to sexual innuendo, we`ve got them on the run! They have no other weapon beside derision and they will continue to use it. We watched the tea party coverage on Fox News. The people were happy and not violent. The signs were brilliant!

D-ohbama spent this last weekend telling all of Latin America that it was not his fault. Not one word of defense for the USA that elected him to the highest office in the land, nor did he offer any recognition of our glorious history of freedom. Now, more than ever, people need to awaken that American is not a "downright mean country". These tea parties are the foot in the door to save the nation and send a message.

doesn’t that beg the question, 'could it be that our current economic upheaval is part of a grander plan'?

The answer is yes, yes, and yes. Everything he's doing is all part of a grander plan. And his hand picked cabinet of marxist/communist dirt bags are concrete proof of that.

lying Master Manipulator in Chief Obama and his thugs are out to create a Stalinistic dictatorship and we best realize that while we still have time to do something about it.

Thanks for a hard hitting, totally accurate assessment of where we are and what to do about it. Hear ye, hear ye all you conservatives out there.

well done. use the opposition's playbook against them. going for us is the fact that the far left comes unhinged when this tactic works. note the hysteria from them over the tea parties.
(btw - really enjoyed your satires)

So you say you want a revolution? Alinsky is the man to learn from. Steal his book, devour it, organize and OFF THE LEFTIST PIGS!

Excellent commentation and I agree with you. It is the old bait and switch by using something dear to peoples heart to gather strenght while you switch the bait. We all have been under tunnel vision with apathy and now is the time to take these small ripples we call tea parties and turn the tides into Tsunami's of discontent where this country is heading. Good Job!

I have been saying for a couple of years, now, (being a college student again), that the Conservatives are the New Campus Radicals. It's time we "take it to" the 60's Leftists, and the Old Hippies.

Garnet: This is one of the most enlightening -- and disturbing -- TH posts I've seen in some time. Congratulations. My political sensibilities began being awakened only after graduation from college (ECU) in 1959, and my entry into the business world after a 6-month National Guard hitch. I began to get my real education via a public relations post with the N.C. Farm Bureau Federation, a solid conservative organization where I learned much. In 1966 I went into "graduate school" in television as a reporter answering directly to Jesse Helms, whom I assisted in writing conserative editorials. He was a mentor to whom I will always be indebted. It was during that time that socialists, Marxists, left-wing agitators and union thugs made overt attacks against the America I knew and loved. That period was a formative gift that set my political philosophy in stone. Before that, I didn't know what to believe. Now I know what not to believe. I see many traces of those early conspiracies against the U.S. in your post, for which I am grateful. We must reinvigorate our passion for America, as well as our firm opposition to our enemies. I am going to save this post for future reference. You're doing noble work, my friend. Keep the faith! Verne.

For the last 8 years, the Left has been using these methods. Turn about is fair play.

Tea Parties and ridicule of President O'Vomit seems like the way to go, for now.

I fear that this will get "dirty" very quickly. If the Administration sees that the attacks and ridicule from the Right are increasing, they will "ratchet up" the magnitude of their consolidation of power.

This, however, can work to our advantage. When the Administration, and the Left, increase the magnitude, it will alienate more and more people.

Well stated case, and a potential way forward out of the wilderness. God knows logic and common sense don't appeal to the statist lemmings.
I hope we can get some change...back to the way things should be.

In fact, D'ohbama's many associations with Marxists, Communists, and Socialists MUST have rubbed off on him - almost impossible to pal around with those folks for twenty years or more and not have sympathy for their anti-American causes. Yet - here we are, with him as president, still using Saul's methods and techniques to change the U.S. to a European Socialist nation.

For me, I'm satisfied that the antics of the dems and D'ohbama aren't coincidental - they're part of an Alinsky-style grand scheme to overthrow the American way of life and substitute the European model of Socialism.

Who he hung around with are those he was comfortable with. Remember, his mom was pretty much a hippie. It's who he was comfortable around. There had to have been some kind of seed there already because if any of us would have started hearing any of that crap, we would have left. I'm not just talking about Wright's church either. I'm talking about Ayers, Doehrn, the Khalidis... all of them. There had to have been a seed already planted within Obama for him to have found comfort in those types of people.

Epic struggle is right. I also agree that it may take another 9/11 tragedy to shake our more inert citizens into action. And like you, I hate to agree with Geraldo, but our movement is still in its infancy and we haven't (yet) united around a single cause. The Hispanics rally around immigration - it's a uniting force. We don't yet have that cohesion. I'm hoping that we can get united, regardless of which cause pushes the button.

And thanks for stopping by. It's hard to argue with what you've stated. Call me a conspircist too 'cause it does seem too concidental that the mortage crisis is being used as a weapon to gain power. But it fits Saul's teachings to the letter. I have preferred to believe that even the dems and D'ohbama were not so dispicable as to sabotage the U.S. entire economy just to regain power - and now I'm wondering if I haven't just been too naive and given them a pass because I didn't think anyone was that evil.

I just hope that folks begin to wake up and see that what has happened wasn't just coincidental - it was planned that way. Thanks for visiting.

And it's been to our detriment that we've tried to be civil. Now we need to ridicule them and call them out when they criticize the Tea Parties while applauding the many leftist protests for the last ten years or so. We need to point out the hipocrisy in their treatment of honest, grass-roots American citizens gathering to protest a goverment gone wrong.

first step. We can gather the best writers and thinkers from the ranks of TH's bloggers and unite to use Alinsky's methods against the dems. We need to recruit those bloggers who truly have a desire to FIGHT against the unAmerican and Godless direction that seems to be planned for us.

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thanks for noticing my satires. I really enjoy them and find that they're cathartic to flush the stress resulting from my political writings. Like now, for instance. Thank God, I feel one coming on ...

Thanks for commenting, BTW. It does seem to be the right thing to do - beat them at their own game. I know that they don't expect to be confronted with Alinsky's techniques - we've always tried to use reason and logic before - and it just doesn't get through the solid bone occupying the skulls of most unengaged citizens.

How does it feel to be labeled a "right-wing extremeist" and called a possible "terrorist" when D'ohbama won't even use that term for the militant muslims? Napolitano will rue the day that she allowed that politically-motivated piece of crap to be published. You're right, we've been too apathetic and thought that the left couldn't take over the country - and we wake up January 21 and we're on our way to European Socialism.

and I know that you're one of America's soldiers in the coming battle to give the dems a taste of their own medicine.

You and I are the same age and (hopefully) the miles we've traveled give us some small amount of wisdom. I never thought that I would see the trampling of historically American values the way they're being sullied today. We have too many young folks who've never sacrificed or done without to help the country win a war. They've never traveled to a foreign country where freedoms are non-existant and they've never worried about what kind of country their grandchildren will inherit. I think that most young folks simply don't understand that our freedoms CAN BE LOST. They COULD wake up one day to a country that TELLS us where to work, where to live, controls our income and REQUIRES that we think and act according the government's requirements. IT CAN HAPPEN - IF WE LET IT.

The left won't lie back and roll over - they've worked too hard to win control and they won't let it go willingly. And they won't try reason and logic (as we have), they'll declare all-out political war. So, we must be prepared to fight them with their own weapons: ridicule, derision, pointing out hypocrisy, etc. We must demonize their leaders (remember Bush and Cheney?) and generally use Alinsky's methods against them. It won't be easy - we've been apathetic too long.

It's really hard for me to dismiss reason and logic. It's the way I've been trained to think and work things out. But we all know that logic and reason were nowhere to be found last November 4th when the country elected a "community organizer" with no leadership skills and NO accomplishments to claim (except the Harvard Review) and we "hire" this empty suit to take the most difficult position on the planet? Obviously, reason and logic had nothing to do with that decision. The racists and democrat lemmings did that to us without any semblance of logic or reason.

Kudos for your analysis and commentary. I will be emailing this to others as well.

Did not read entire thread so apologize for duplicate observation: the use of emotionalism (not rational and proper emotion) and verbal judo are clearly on the side of the left at this time. Hopefully we won’t resort to the former ism and learn to engage in the latter. That’s my opinion any way.

Again, this is superb and thanx for putting up this call to action!

If we can use it, we do have an advantage. That is: Truth and Logic are on our side as well. Not just "Hope and Change".

1- gather 2- larger gatherings 3- start marching 4-march on Washington- force their hand, capture public opinion 5- win elections.

Oversimplified, but you get the template....

An excellent analysis of Alinsky and Obama. -- FPV

I wouldn't want to cross all boundaries as they have - but we do need to get more aggresive and attack them using Alinsky's methods - else we will have to get used to being over-taxed, persecuted, second-class citizens in a country that will eventually be taken over by China or the Russian Federation.

They no habla Truth or Logic.

Now we're on to Stage Two: larger gatherings. I hope that we all will contribute to getting much larger crowds to the July 4th parties - they're on a Saturday - should be easier than on a weekday (even if it is Independence Day). As we approach the 4th, we ought to encourage folks to make a family outing to a Tea Party a teaching experience for the young (who get precious little history in today's schools).

I hope that we can begin to wake up our slumbering brothers and sisters before it's too late. The longer we wait to (peacefully) revolt, the harder it will be to get the bums out.

It's custom made for family involvement. And easier to get the neighbors into also. We've got to talk to them....

Yeah, the family attendance would be great in a lot of respects. For one, it would be harder to characterize party attendees as 72-year-old geezers and pictures showing famalies with their children would paint a real grass-roots movement.

Spot-on. The Alinsky tactics CAN be used by ANYONE. Disgusting as it may seem,but hey,all's fair in the fight,eh?

Many of Alinsky's methods aren't evil or wrong if used to a righteous end. There's no reason that we shouldn't use techniques that have proven to be successful. The thing is - we will use the methods to return to the rule of law, the Constitution, and God's Commandmenta.

...that I have now linked to in a post of my own in which I describe the how of some of the methods Alinsky uses.

http://theinterface.blogtownhall.com/2009/04/28/the_manipul ation_persuasion_equation.thtml

And by that, I mean your Manipulation Persuasion post. I learned something from your presentation of Dr. Cialdini's work. Thanks for the mention and the link. That Alinsky was a crafty old devil, eh?