Those Darn Jews

That most Jews had to wear corrective shoes with large soles on the left shoe in order to keep from leaning to the left.

Or course, as a Southern Baptist, I have been raised to hate everyone because you are all going to achh-ee-double-hockeysticks.

Baptist tend to look more critically at other Christians.

I had one preacher who said (In Bentonville, AR, home of Walmart, while he was alive) that Sam Walton was going to achh-ee-double-hockeysticks because he was a Presbetarian.

And there are numerous reasons to distrust Catholics.

But I have heard scarcely little bad about Jews, at least among fellow Baptists.

It amuses me to no end that Jews get this reputation as being far left, yet Quakers are much farther left, yet no one is saying Nixon was a closet communist. Yet every Jew is secretly part of some conspiracy to destroy the US.

(For that matter, had someone suggested Nixon was a secret leftists, I would buy it. He regularized relations with communist China, got us out of Vietnam, finally destroyed the gold standard, and implemented price controls. And he was a Republican?)

was certainly pretty liberal as far as I am concerned. I had no idea that he was a liberal because he was a Quaker, though. Thanks for that history lesson! :)

By the way, isn't Blogejovich a Jewish name? If so, what's he doing hanging out with the Moslem Obama?

I'll have to ask around at the next Zionist Conspiracy for World Domination mixer. I don't recall him on the membership lists, but I'll check.

Those Slavic names can be misleading though. I have relatives named Wojik, yet they're Catholic. (Then again, a lot of Poles are Catholic, so that shouldn't be surprising.)

Of course he could also be "pulling an Obama" and just claiming to be Christian to hide his true religious identity. The way Obama joined the Black Panthers... Sorry, Trinity Church so no one would suspect he is a Moslem.

Wow, it is easy to become a conspiracy theorist, isn't it?

You have attempted to label Pat Buchanan antiSemitic, Fascist, dog kicker and on and on.
After reading your post carefully, i fail to find a coherent statement of the indictment or any evidence that a conservative blogger among us has assualted any Jews. You
write well. With that stipulated, I find it strange that you have strained your intestines to defend Jews and demonize Pat when neither gambit seems timely or justified.

For your information, the NeoCon Jewish writers have been far more definitive in describing the Jewish involvement in Communist organizing in New York and Chicago than Pat. You might want to take your protest to Dr. Irving Kristol, the nation's leading NeoCom writer, a Jewish scholar who is an authority on Jews in the Communist vanguard.

Why should any Jew apologize for being a successful Communist theoretician if that is his sincerely held persuasion? If Pat Buchanan is equally successful in opposing their conviction, does he not have that equivalent right?

To accuse all of us of failing to realize that Jews have been effective conservatives is disingenuous in the extreme. How about George Jessel, Eddie Cantor and on and on...

Even Saul bellow was arguably conservative in his depiction of the deterioration of moral rationality. But that isn't the point. Is it?

Yes, Nixon being a Quaker is one of those strange trivia facts I always recall as he just didn't come across with that naive sincerity I usually associate with Quakers. But he was Quaker, even went to a Quaker college.

Then again, he was Ike's VP, so it isn't that surprising he was something of a big government conservative. Ike, whatever his merits, was a bit of an authoritarian, though compared to FDR and Truman he was a libertarian.

Still the tenor of the times was toward big government solutions, so not startling that Nixon was a big government guy.

Sadly, it seems after the bright eight years of Reagan, we have returned to the trend toward big government.

Yes, Jews were involved in communism, so were Gentiles. Does Harold Sloane Coffin's involvement make Catholics communists as well? Or the existence of liberation theology? Sorry, but the mere involvement of Jews does not mean Jews are inherently more communist than any group.

As I said, perhaps Jews tend toward liberalism more than some groups, but so do Quakers, yet no one talks of a massive Quaker conspiracy to destroy the US.

And if you seriously think I am some sort of Jewish mole, then I can only laugh.

And as far as rebutting Pat Buchanan, the fact that people who write like you do adore him is rebuttal enough, isn't it?

I don't have time to deal with these arguments. If you want to think I am writing garbage, then don't read it. If you insist on thinking Jews are inherently communist, then so be it. It is absurd, but somehow I feel even the best reasoned argument is not going to get through.

William Sloane Coffin. Sorry, for some reason the name eluded me. As did his faith. He was a Presbyterian.

I am having trouble calling to mind a single Catholic at the moment, though there are countless examples. Back to you shortly.

How about this question:

Are Russian Orthodox more Communist than others? After all two of the big three were Orthodox, one even studied theology. Only Trotsky was a Jew, Stalin and Lenin were both Orthodox.

For that matter, Uncle Joe wasn't exactly fond of the Jews, was he? For a group supposedly lending itself to Communism, a lot of them were killed by Stalin and his successors, and a huge number of Soviet dissidents were Jews.

So why would communist loving Jews be dissidents int he communist utopia?

See, the logic kind of falls apart when you think about it, doesn't it?

"Wow, it is easy to become a conspiracy theorist, isn't it?"

Enter the latest...

I should probably have posted a better response, but I have written so much on Buchanan's bizarre theories on the Israel lobby, and his admiration fo Hitler that I can't go through it again.

And the fact that liberal Jews say that liberalism is innate in Judiams is hardly evidence. Liberal Christians say Christianity supports communism, does that prove anything?

And Kristol is hardly the final word. Yes there were Jews involved in communism, and in some ways Jewish groups were used to advance that cause, but so were Catholic seminaries, but that says nothing about inherent liberalism of Catholics. Communists used their associations to gather support, that Jews used Jewish groups is hardly shocking.

I could go on, but this is just absurd. Kristol was hardly saying all Jews are communists, nor that communism and Judiasm are inherently tied.

Argh. I give up. Just absurd.

For that matter, supporters of Pat might want to look at Tammany and tell me why I shouldn't believe all Irish are inherently corrupt machine politicians of the left.

Here's a Catholic - the Pope. Also JFK, Joe Biden, John Kerry. I don't know about JFK, but the rumor is that Biden and Kerry are somewhat on the outs due to their pro-death stance. True? I don't know.

Most Catholics tend to be conservative, socially if not always financially.

The persecution of the Jews goes back, if I recall correctly, to a time even before they were called "Jews." I think it's a biblical thing. Being G-d's chosen people certainly can be burdensome, at least in this world. The Christians hate the Jews because of the Christ killer myth, among other failures of rationale.

I brought these comments on myself, either with my "Those darn Jews" title, or by putting a comment on one of the columns criticizing someone's antisemitic theories and joking about ticking bagels being sent by the conspiracy, so I suppose I should expect a few critics.

Ah, well, still stand by what I said. There are many conservative Jews, or Jews conservative in many aspects if not all, and by accepting the "anti-Zionist" Buchananite wing in our big tent we write off a relatively large group of potential allies in favor of a handful of wingnuts.

It seems a bad trade to me. But then again, not the first time the Republican party shot itself in the foot to keep hold of a tiny constituency.

The pro-lifers, for example, would do well to make common cause with orthodox Jews, who largely endorse most of their positions. (Though theologically the argument is different, the result is the same, so in the end who cares?)

However, because we continue to embrace this strange "paleo-con" group, many Jews feel Republicans are the same anti-Jewish group they were back in 1910 when grandpa became a Democrat, and so they continue voting for Democrats, which means ardently pro-life party line, even though they do not believe 90% of what the Democrats propose.

Then again, perhaps I am just some commie mole who churned out 100 pages of federalist/libertarian rants just to lead the gentiles astray, luring them away from the good, honest protectionist Pat, luring them with my free market wiles, so I can bust up the unions, flood the nation with Chinese toys, and eventually bring about a worker's paradise.

I will never understand why Jews vote predominately vote dem year after year.Every Jew I know insists that Israel must be protected at all costs and than they turn around and support Obama!One of my friends said his rabbi was instructing the congregation to vote for Obama. Obama's associations with Muslim terrorist fund raisers,his relationship with Farrakhan,and his church's association with both doesn't seem to matter.European anti-semitism is at the same level as before WWII.The Democratic party treated Joe Lieberman like yesterdays garbage and Jews still vote dem.All my Jewish acquaintances dismissed sarah Palin by saying she was uneducated and even though they knew no facts just parroted the MSM smears about her.Now the Jews I know are all professional that live a good lifestyle and have an air of elitism about them.This is not a criticism as much as an observation.My fathers side were Irish Jews who settled in the PA coal regions and remained blue collar up to the present.So I am not Jewish but I have Jewish blood in my veins and I can't understand the apathy of affluent American Jews.

Funny thing about those racist is that everyone points to the right when they talk about racist, but if you look up history the main racist organization of prominence has its roots in the democratic party. The NAZIs are really a left wing fringe party anyway. They are against religion and equal rights. The American NAZIs have no clue at what they are talking about. I don't think Hitler would even call them NAZI. Now in no way am I racist but if these people want to play the role, then they need to know the real side of their cause. To say you are a white Christian NAZI is an oxymoron. Because real NAZIS have no use for Christianity or organized religion. Read

http://workingclassview.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/03/will_th e_real_racist_party_please_stand_up.thtml

To some degree it is the same reason so many southerners voted Democrat year after year even though they were more conservative than the rest of the nation, or why Catholics vote over and over for pro-choice Democrats.

The Jews were yet another group that became traditionally Democrat when there was a very different Republican party, one that was strongly nativist and protestant, and mnay Jews did not get past that.

Of course, many secular Jews are on the left politically, but no more so than their neighbors. it just happens that most Jews live in cities of the northeast and west coast which are strongly liberal. So, by being just as liberal as their neighbors, Jews as a group end up very strongly liberal.

On the other hand, I am not sure that Jews in their actual beliefs are more liberal. Orthodox and even some conservative congregations are conservative to a fair degree, though, as I said, they vote Democrat for historical reasons. The reform congregations are liberal, but no more so than, as I said, Quakers or Unitarians, probably less so.

So it isn't so much that Jews are liberal as it is that politically active congregations tend to be liberal congregations, while conservative Jews tend to quietly vote Democrat, as did their ancestors, but are not true believers in liberalism.

(Irish, Italians, Southerners, and many other groups did the same, some still do. Jews are not unique in this.)

Thanks for the point. It is one I have made before as well, that the totalitarians are all on the left, Nazi, Fascist and communist are all outgrowth of left wing ideologies.

Likewise, I have written a lot of the implicit racism of the left, the idea that blacks can't succeed without the government handing them something, for example. Or the way the Democrats take black votes for granted, paying them no attention apart from token gestures come election time.

Yet, for some reason, we on the right get smeared as racist. I don't know why.

Welcome to the blog and thanks for the comments. I should have said this earlier, but at least I didn't forget for too long.

If either of you posted before and I have forgotten you, sorry about that. But better to welcome you a second time than to forget the niceties.

You make some valid points and I can see were Jews and minorities are wary of some of the more sordid history of the r

It appears your comment was cut off, but form what I could read it appears you found my response interesting. Feel free to post your complete response if you have the time. I am quite curious what you thought.

You make some valid points and I can see were Jews and minorities are wary of some of the more sordid history of the republican party of old.Of course today there is shortcomings in both parties and it is up to the individual people or sets of people to educate themselves as to what is the best choice for their country ,which brings me to my main point.Why if the welfare of Israel is so important as American Jews profess,are they some of the most adamant ad vocal protesters against the war.Knowing full well that American troops are killing Israel's mortal enemies who would be normally occupied with the destruction of Israel.I don't see this as a liberal or conservative thing.I see it as ideology trumping common sense

I agree with you that those who claim to support Israel yet oppose our actions in the Middle East make no sense. Of course, many liberal Jews, like all liberals, have abandoned Israel long ago. Many don't even pay lip service any longer and simply spout the party line that Israel is the reason the Arabs hate us so much.

Those that do continue to claim to support Israel often don't truly support it. They more espouse support out of habit, but truly sympathize more with those who want to cut Israel loose to appease the Moslems. So they are not so much inconsistent as dishonest.

The rest, well you are right about them. Sadly I think they are a very small group, liberal Jews who actually support Israel. I think if you look, most Jews who strongly support Israel are among the Orthodox, and they are quite conservative, even if some still vote Democrat out of habit or tradition, as Southerners did until the mid-80's, or as many other groups did or continue to do. (Italians, Irish, Catholics, blacks, non-Cuban Hispanics, etc.)