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Perspective from Perseverance
Life's Largest Irony: Obama Rallies Get Liberal Estimates
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Monday, September, 14, 2009 4:37 PM
Eric
writes:
Jim
Apparently CNN reported there was some underlying theme about the protest..
You notice how CNN is nowhere near the number of viewers that Fox receives... That is why. Fox did an honest report while CNN and other liberal networks always try to spin it into something negative.
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Monday, September, 14, 2009 7:04 PM
Jim
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underlying theme about the protest
Of course, all 2 million people are angry racist that all just took off their sheets. I was really impressed seeing a number of minorities in the march, nothing worse then a black KKK member, right? The media is pretty wacked!
Thanks for visitin ma crib Eric!
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 2:40 PM
The Crawfish
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They have to keep the numbers low
to justify calling the Tea Party Movement a "small fringe element."
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 2:48 PM
Patriot 76
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Hey Jim
The Obammapress have a reputation to uphold!! No good reporting is not ignored enough!!
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 4:18 PM
never say die
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Outstanding
turnout--I saw one sign that said: "read the bill ...stupid!!"!!
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 11:14 PM
Jim
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small fringe element
Yepper Mud Bug, looked like a small fringe element to me, especially compared to the 14,000 the messiah had in minnesota.
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 11:40 PM
Gar Swaffar
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THEY Lie
And I will not apologize for that remark
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 11:46 PM
Jim
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Obammapress have a reputation to uphold
Well Patriot, sniffing out news with seeing eye dogs certainly earns you a reputation. But they never miss a sneeze on the right.
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 11:48 PM
Jim
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read the bill ...stupid
I think a higher percentage of people here at TH read the bill then in the Senate.
I'm with you "Never say die"!
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 11:51 PM
Jim
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THEY Lie
I've always said you're a funny squid, but you're also right! Welcome on board Gar
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Tuesday, September, 15, 2009 11:52 PM
coopmeister
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Glen Beck's academic connections
He said the university of "he couldn't remember"
is where he got his numbers.
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Wednesday, September, 16, 2009 8:33 AM
Jim
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Poopymeister Dolt
Once again the Poopymeister demonstrates a total lack of awareness. So tell me poopymeister, you saw Glenn Beck mentioned where in this blog? So are you paranoid of or infatuated with Glenn Beck?
All posters here: The problem is that idiots will BELIEVE the left media, not their own eyes. Anyone been to a football game with 80,000 in the stands? I've been to many Indy 500s with 400,000+, the crowd on Washington was substantially larger then that of the Indy 500
Please poopy, if you're going to post on my blog, do me a favor and try to post something that demonstrates at least the smallest amount of intelligence.
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Wednesday, September, 16, 2009 12:46 PM
Christopher
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Size doesn't matter?
I have no clue how to estimate crowds. I'm sure you want a lot of people to show up to "your" events but when it comes to politics, the only thing people should go by are votes. That is all I look at, voting trends and actual numbers, this back and fourth between the two sides just seems pointless.
But upfront again, I'm clueless about crowd size estimating, since the police can't do it, I'm not about to try.
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Wednesday, September, 16, 2009 2:47 PM
Jim
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Size Only Matters To ACORN Employees
No Christopher, It's not important t ous except that they are trying to make it look like there are just a few wackos that were there, not a million citizens. They are down playing the fact that more then half the country is against this socialized nightmare. And they are trying to make us look like idiots. I'll wager you that Conservatives have out read HR3200 over Dimocrits by a margin of 50 to 1. We know what's in the bill, the people that are defending it don't. And that's just part of the issue, the biggest thing is that this will put this country in debt that will destroy our economy for years to come. Your grand children may be paying 50% tax to pay this off. People just don't get how dangerous this all is, the Marxist don't care because they want to centralize all wealth. God save us!
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Thursday, September, 17, 2009 11:40 AM
The Crawfish
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HAPPY CONSTITUTION DAY!
Let's just hope it's still around to be celebrated next year.
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Saturday, September, 19, 2009 7:39 PM
crossbow
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its crazy
washington was bursting at the seams, but the obama press just gave it a blip! I know when all those people vote, they will notice. Good post, Jim!
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Tuesday, September, 22, 2009 12:18 AM
Joe
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My favorite sign is:
YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID, BUT YOU CAN VOTE THEM OUT!
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Tuesday, September, 22, 2009 1:10 PM
Jim
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its crazy
It's liberals, liberals are liars. I haven't had time to look for it, but I heard that the university of Indiana I think, took the photos an estimated 1.7. Whe nI get time I'm going to look for that.
thanks for visitin the crib crossbow
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Tuesday, September, 22, 2009 5:51 PM
Snow Knight
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Hey Jim
I wasn't in washington but the MASSAVE crowd spoke volumes! WOW! and the police said everyone was civil--hey--we are the ones on the solid ground!! (new post up---shameless plug time!!)
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Saturday, September, 26, 2009 11:13 AM
Pen Captain
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I saw
a sign saying" annoy a leberal--listen to Hannity" --priceless.The lib spinmasters are tring their hardest-but the numbers speak for themselves!!
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Tuesday, September, 29, 2009 1:28 PM
Jim
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I know Snow
Hi Snow, it was an impressive crowd, it's funny that the media could estimate the inauguration crowd, but not this (a larger crowd) within say 100,000. Funny that!
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Tuesday, September, 29, 2009 1:30 PM
Jim
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annoy a leberal--listen to Hannity
I'll bet GB gives them aneurysms!
Thanks for visiting Captain!
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Tuesday, September, 29, 2009 1:53 PM
Watch Dawg
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Hey Jim
The lib leftist spinmasters are working hard--but too many of us got cellphone-cam!!!Now more than ever we got to work for 2010 THEN on to 2012
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Tuesday, September, 29, 2009 2:10 PM
Sue
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Jim
Oh every Obama rally has over a million people, even if two are just standing there. And anything against health care has a few hundred.
CNN really dumped on these people and the stories on MSNBC were pretty bad. Sad when you can not voice your opinion against policy.
Remember lame head at the DNC convention? He had to give a speech at the stadium. Oh please!
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 12:11 AM
Jim
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Just remember Dawg
20% of the population are going to see what ever their Messih says they see. Kool-aid is good!
Don't forget about these guys:
http://tampadoc.blogtownhall.com/2009/03/16/dawn_of_the_oba mazombies.thtml
Thanks for Watching Dawg
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 12:17 AM
Jim
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Liberals can't count
Ya see Sue, once they run out of fingers and toes, that's it.
Thanks for stoping by.
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 1:07 AM
AfterShock
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Jim
I'm late to this post, it seems I never have enough time. It just breaks my heart to realize that the cold war era of Pravda and Tass has overtaken our country.
There have always been left leaning liberals in the media; bleeding hearts, even America haters from time to time, but what we're seeing today rivals any communist STATE run media yet it is more insidious because none of these neo Marxist media types have a clue what it's like to be an ordinary citizen under the boot heels of such tyrants. They have no idea what it is to fear speaking freely.
The irony is, that's exactly what they want to do to us -- make us fear speaking freely.
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 1:10 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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March all you want. The wingnuts are not in power. Try again in 2012, but you will likely lose. Then try again in 2016, when I suspect that the Republican Party will win with a true conservative (not a wingnut) because the voters will be tired of Democrats, leading to the usual peaceful transition of power.
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 3:11 PM
Jim
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Never too late
It's ironic, I read a couple of your blogs last night. It was a little late so I didn't post on them. I don't get enough time to blog or post and it's usually at odd times due to my schedule. You mention the leftist in the media, check this blog out...
http://tampadoc.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/26/pravda_america n_capitalism_gone_with_a_whimper.thtml
The good news is that there are many more of us that understand that Marxism creates poverty not wealth and tha taren't affraid to open our mouths.
Thanks for stopping by, feel free to visit again, i'll sure visit your site...
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 3:15 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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I don't question that you and the other wingnuts are willing to open your mouths. That is abundantly clear.
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Wednesday, September, 30, 2009 3:24 PM
Jim
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I'm about to make you mad...
I'm about to make you mad wittle Bwenny. First of all, not all Democrats are scum sucking Marxist bent on destroying America like your Messiah. There is going to be a coup in the ranks of the Dimocrits which will leave your god and messiah ObamaNation toothless. Furthermore the mid-term elections are going to shift the power back to the good (that's the right of course) making your master impotent. Then in 2012 he'll rightfully gain the title one-term-blunder, and go hang with the other racist ex-president (carter) and rapist ex-president (Willy).
As usual Wittle Bwenny, you're wrong! But I'm sure you're use to that...
PS, you're correct to call me Mr. I'll always be Mr. to you, just user a clean rag when you wash my windshield at the light!
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Thursday, October, 01, 2009 1:16 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Jim
I'm going to think of you and smile when Obama gets re-elected. The Republicans have no one -- no one -- capable of beating him.
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Thursday, October, 01, 2009 2:43 PM
Snow Knight
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hey jim
since the senate defeted the public option--for now what do you think will happen next? I think thy are gonna ram it anyway
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Thursday, October, 01, 2009 5:03 PM
Jim
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You Funny Guy Benny
By the time the 2012 election rolls around, Spud McKenzie will be able to beat him with one paw tied behind his back. I've totalled the taxes the Obamanation is pushing for, for a family of 4 making $80,000.00 a year it would go like this: $9600.00 for healthcare, $1800.00 Crap and trade, $1400.00 sugar drink tax, add to that the tax increases on the oil companies will force gas prices and power prices to go up $1600.00. Wow, that's 20%. Sure! He'll get re-elected...NOT!!!
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Thursday, October, 01, 2009 5:05 PM
Jim
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Toothless Obama
I expect a coup to take place in both houses. There are a number of Democrats that aren't onboard for the Marxist Merry-go-round tha tare going to jump ship. He's going to get little done before mid-terms, then you'll have some serious house cleaning durigmid terms... He's done.
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Thursday, October, 01, 2009 8:03 PM
Donnie
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Yo Bro!
Dey be alota Motherf**kers.
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Thursday, October, 01, 2009 10:20 PM
Jim
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That's funny Donnie!
Thanks for the supervlative and for stopping by...
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Saturday, October, 03, 2009 11:30 AM
Patriot 76
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Hey Jim!
The public option is KO--for now--great news on RIO!(new post up)
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Sunday, October, 04, 2009 2:55 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Jim --
Even with the problems he will have, the Republicans are grooming no one who is capable of beating him. No one.
Enjoy the next 7.5 years.
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Sunday, October, 04, 2009 8:20 PM
Snow Knight
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WRONG Ben
Obama sunk himself by making gradeous promises (like no more earmarks) and delivering NILL. Spending is out of controll and congress sees right thru the public option. As for 2012--Romney is the frountrunner-next Huckabee then Palin.
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Monday, October, 05, 2009 9:36 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Snow
It's nice to dream. But it's not going to happen.
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Tuesday, October, 06, 2009 5:35 PM
Snow Knight
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actually Ben
I am not dreaming. The many voices (and votes)echoed at the townhall meetings---are infact---reality.
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Thursday, October, 08, 2009 9:32 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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The townhall people all voted against Obama the first time around. You'd have to get many more people to vote differently next time, and many of those are not going to do so based on the nutty sentiments expressed on this web site or by Glenn Beck.
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Thursday, October, 08, 2009 2:42 PM
Snow Knight
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they
will do that themselves -because they are as fed up with Obama as we are. His failure to deliver as well as fattening his big government gurus at our (and yours if you are a taxpayer)expence.
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Thursday, October, 08, 2009 3:17 PM
Jim
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Snow Is Right Benny
Obama ran as a moderate, in other words he lied his @$$ off to get elected. I know a lot of people that voted for him that now won't even admit they did and they are saying what a liar he is. I had someone that I know call me out of the blue and said "You called it, he's a Marxist alright" (BTW, he is an independent). He got elected only because of independents who believe that he wouldn't raise taxes on middle class and that he wasn’t really a racist. People are now seeing him as an apologist embarrassing the US to the whole world.
He's done, he's the one term blunder!
BTW, Have you been to a Town Hall Meeting? Obviously not! It's not only Republicans, its independants and Democrats. It's people that believed in Obama and figured out that he's a liar. you know not every Democrat believes in totalitarian Marxism and desires to be ruled like the scum of the earth.
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Thursday, October, 08, 2009 3:56 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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I'm just warning you guys so you don't end up crying that no one is going to be able to beat him in 2012. Maybe the margin won't be as wide as in 2008, but he's still going to win.
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Thursday, October, 08, 2009 4:24 PM
Jim
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Yes Benny
And the moon is made of cheese, the sky is falling and Stalin wasn't really bad, he was just misunderstood.
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Thursday, October, 08, 2009 5:53 PM
Snow Knight
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And Ben
have you ever considered the fact that this phony lied to his own party? he has promised "no more earmarks" (among other things) his puppet strings go all the way to the most extreame left. You are a liberal-Ben you are free to choose what you are but you have not even begun to realise what is in store for YOU with this guy in power.
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 9:10 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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All I'm saying, Snow, is that he is going to be re-elected. I'm not saying he was the best choice, or even my first choice. But he's going to be around a full 8 years.
And now he won the Nobel Peace Prize, only the third sitting president to do so, the last being Woodrow Wilson. So he's got international credibility. Go figure.
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 9:11 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Please provide a citation to where he is quoted as saying 'no more earmarks'. As I recall, that was McCain's big issue.
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 9:18 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Forget it. I found cites on my own.
An example of a candidate saying one thing before being elected, and doing something else after. I still remember, similarly, how adamantly GWB was against "nation building".
You all act like Obama has already damaged this country as much as GWB did.
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 9:41 AM
Snow Knight
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So did
Yasser Afafat and he was one of the worse terrorists in history. You can claim that he is going to be re-elected till the cows come home for all I care--but there are those in his own party who are fed up with him--oh and by the way Hillary has plans of her own.......and Ben If you are directing your comments to ME kindly make referance in the title--the name is SNOW KNIGHT.
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 9:42 AM
Jim
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Obama Destroys Nobel Credibility
Well as if they had any Drdibility after awarding Algore and Carter. Now they award Obama for ??????? Nothing? Wow! If I do nothing will I get one? Or is it only if you are a Marxist or a wacko leftis. Lets see, Carter was a Lousy President an anti-semite, and a racist. Algore is a wack job that took someones environmental wacko faked data (that the original author later denounced) and ran with it. And Now you have Barack, who is trying to dismantle the US by turning it into a Marxist state, embarrassing us all over the world and can't get anything done! Great track record for the Nobel Peace prize!
Remember this Benny, one-term-blunder!!!!
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 10:16 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Snowblow
Is this better?
Jim -- We actually agree that this Nobel Prize does not make sense. It's a prize for words, not actions. I don't know what they were thinking.
Not with you on other things you said, but I'm not getting into it right now.
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 11:48 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Avlon: Extremism in danger of acceptance
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/07/avlon.civility/index .html
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 12:05 PM
Jim
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It's not extremism Benny
It's not extremism when it's the MAJORITY of the population. Check your definitions please! The extremism is the leftist lunatic fringe at CNN that you are using for your example. Most of America is on our side, not yours and more are joining us every day as they realize that Obama is a Marxist con-artist that lied to them to get elected. Most people in this country don't want a Marxist totalitarian dictator running their lives. There is only a small group or the lunatic fringe that want to be oppressed like you.
BTW When Teddy Roosevelt coined the term "Lunatic Fringe" he was talking about Democrats
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Friday, October, 09, 2009 12:50 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Thanks.
I think your response makes Avlon's point perfectly. You don't even recognize that you are part of the problem, but that's typical of a wingnut.
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Saturday, October, 10, 2009 12:31 PM
Snow Knight
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So Ben
You would rather insult me than honestly debate the issues?? .....pity. I thought you were at least intellegent enough for that. In the article by John Avlon he fails to point out what Jim has proven--the MAGORITY of Americans overwhelmingly DO NOT want socialised health care.The horror stories from Canada and England attest to the folly of such a system--and I hav'nt even begun to start with Cuba or N Korea. Who are really the "nuts" Ben,when so many are for this socialist health care bill and have not even READ IT??
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Saturday, October, 10, 2009 12:35 PM
Snow Knight
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Jim
This guy is a real case study isn't he??He insults me when he is challenged and retreats into his small world.
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Saturday, October, 10, 2009 10:41 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Snowjob
I'm not retreating, I'm busy having a life.
You think "Snowjob" is a bad insult? Wow, you are sensitive. Toughen up. I'm called a communist when I come here.
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Saturday, October, 10, 2009 10:42 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Snowblow
Oops, I called you Snowblow, not Snowjob.
Both are good names. Wear them well.
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Sunday, October, 11, 2009 9:18 AM
Jim
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Come on Little Benny
I've never called you a communist. You see I'm very well educated as I'm sure you guess and have an IQ well above your mesiah's 124 (honestly, I don't believe his IQ is that high) and have studied liberal extensively (trying to figure out where their short circuit is). I've determined many years ago tha tthere are three types of liberals.
Type 1: Parasites: there are two kinds of parasites, there are the lazy that suck off of society that have no responsibility for their own condition and blame everyone else for their condition. the other type are the people too stupid to think for themselves, "My dad was a Democrat, his dad was a Democrat, so I'm a Democrat" or "I'm in union *** so I'm a Democrat"
Type 2: Wackos (sheep); The wacko's support the leftist agenda because it makes them feel good or because they have conditioned themselves not to fit into society and have their own agenda. These include wackos like PETA members, NOW, actors, media, and gays (gays could fit in, but often demand extra right). These are the stooges of type three, these are the ones that scream "fire" in the crowd that promote fear and anger.
Type 3: Power Broker (Wolves); These are the people that want power, thees are the people that want to rule the world by means of oppressing everybody. These are your true Marxist, Facist, billionaire, power brokers that want everybody equal (that is everyone beneath them). They are truley the scum of society with no moral or ethics.
BTW, do you realize that there are twice as ment Democrat billionaires the Republicans? The democrat party is the ultra rich and the poor. The largest segment of the Republican party is middle class, not the rich like the leftist run media would like you to believe.
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Sunday, October, 11, 2009 10:20 AM
AfterShock
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Hey there Jim, just been reading the
latest comments here. Very uncivil I must say.
I knew this kid growing up. He loved cats and hated dogs. Anyhow every day on our way home from school he'd stop at the gate of a fenced yard and rattle it until the dog that lived on the other side of the fence came running and barking. The kid continued to kick at the fence, poke sticks through it, anything to get the dog to go crazy. Frothing at the mouth, the dog would get so angry he'd try to jump over the fence, but at 6 feet it was too high. One day, same crap as always, but this time when the kid kicked at the gate, it opened. The owner of the house had inadvertently left it unlatched. Man that boy ran like Jesse Owens right into the front porch of a neighboring house, the dog was right behind him. Even though the dog didn't make it in, he mulled around outside barking and growling at the door. The dog's owner finally showed up and got him; later the kid's mom called the cops. This idiot proceeded to complain that the dog was a vicious menace. Never mind that he asked for it.
Lot's of liberals come to Town Hall with that same attitude. Poke sticks in the dog's eyes, kick at 'em, stir him up. They pretend they just wanted to make friends but for no reason whatsoever the dog got vicious and tried to bite 'em.
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Sunday, October, 11, 2009 9:07 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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AfterShock
I can be the dog, but not always. You've met my friend, Michael Avari. I'm always civil with him. He's respectful, openminded, and persuasive.
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Sunday, October, 11, 2009 9:58 PM
AfterShock
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Jim you and I agree most often
And because we do, being civil to one another is natural. Some folks just can't help shrouding their incivility in pretentious good manners. But underneath it all Jim they loathe us, because we understand what they are and what they truly represent. They will never agree with us on any substantive issue any more than we would agree with them. Their purpose is to waste our time and effort with mala-fide inquiries. Their comments though possessing the form of civility are anything but "civil".
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Sunday, October, 11, 2009 10:27 PM
AfterShock
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Open minded...
Left-threaded wingnuts love it when conservatives get all sympathetic and open minded towards them (meaning open to their liberal belief system). Unfortunately they don't reciprocate with honest, open minded investigation of truth or conservatism.
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Monday, October, 12, 2009 11:57 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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I am very openminded to the views of an intelligent conservative like Michael Avari. Being civil doesn't mean I always agree with him.
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Nor does it mean that he agrees with me. He doesn't. But let him speak for himself. Visit his blog. http://americancivility.blogtownhall.com/
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Monday, October, 12, 2009 1:03 PM
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Benny
"You've met my friend, Michael Avari. I'm always civil with him. He's respectful, openminded, and persuasive."
That's the difference between Conservatives and liberals! Conservatives really are kind hearted, it's not fake, feel good, "I'll do it because I get something out of it" but actual giving of kindness. I'm very much like that, I give thousands of dollars a year to charity, I give generously to toys for tots, food bank, and I'm very generous to my employees. Liberals? NOT A CHANCE IN #ELL! Liberals will stab you in the back any opertunity they get. Sorry Benny, I'm affraid the old saying holds true, you sleep with dogs, you get fleas. You're a liberal, I won't trust you!
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Monday, October, 12, 2009 3:49 PM
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Jim
It's really hard to buy you as a saint. That's nice that you do good things for charities and employees. That doesn't mean you wouldn't stab me in the back given the chance, especially since you apparently view me as subhuman.
You are missing (or ignoring) my point about Michael. He is civil to me, and I am civil back.
You must admit that you've never been civil to me and have given me no incentive to be civil back. (I'm sure you will give the reason that I'm a liberal and therefore unworthy of civility.)
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Monday, October, 12, 2009 7:43 PM
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So Ben
calling me "snowblow" and "snowjob" is being civil??
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Monday, October, 12, 2009 7:47 PM
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well said Aftershock
Sadly, I must believe Ben here far past the gate stage.
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Monday, October, 12, 2009 7:49 PM
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and Ben
I am tough enough--I assure you--that is why I am a conservative--the solid ground...stays.
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Tuesday, October, 13, 2009 8:54 AM
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Snowy
No, that was not civil. That was being sarcastic because you instructed me to address you by name in the "Subject" line. I don't claim to be a saint either, and you sure as hell ain't one.
I'm sure Mr. Big Tough Conservativd can handle a wee little liberal's sarcasm, right?
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Tuesday, October, 13, 2009 10:30 AM
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Penalty Flag
Fifteen Yards for taunting
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Tuesday, October, 13, 2009 11:11 AM
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Judge Ben?
and cursing too...such a pity. Are you that unstable? It is clear that you are way too far gone than I originally thought. Since you have proven you cannot "take it" you retreat into your small world by calling me names and cursing...such a pity your case. Oh ...by the way when I accepted Jesus in 1988-he indeed made me....a saint.
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Tuesday, October, 13, 2009 11:12 AM
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and ben
Have a nice day!
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Tuesday, October, 13, 2009 11:13 AM
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Aftershock
good call.
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Tuesday, October, 13, 2009 5:30 PM
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Snowblow -
Did I curse? Remind me when.
Jesus made you a saint? That's hilarious. Good luck to both of you.
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Wednesday, October, 14, 2009 9:15 AM
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As you often are Benny
You are incorrect. I don't view you as sub-human, ignorant, herdistic, envious, lazy, programmed, mentally disturbed, insecure and obnoxious, but not sub-human.
I do actually feel pity for you as I totally understand how miserable liberals’ lives are while I have a happy successful life and enjoy all of the fruits that accompany it. I came from extreme poverty to being extraordinarily successful through excruciatingly hard work and it irks me to no end when some lazy person that has worked no where near as hard as I have covets my success and demands that I share it.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 12:49 PM
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Jim
"I don't view you as sub-human, ignorant, herdistic, envious, lazy, programmed, mentally disturbed, insecure and obnoxious, but not sub-human."
As an atheist, I can assure you I am not "herdistic" and "programmed". I am not fully accepted by most people for that reason, and I don't care.
I couldn't function in my job (which I do) if I were "mentally disturbed".
"Insecure"? Sure. I have insecurities.
"Obnoxious". Sure. I have been obnoxious to you. I think you deserve it.
"Envious". Occasionally. I know people that are extremely wealthy, and I wouldn't mind having their lifestyle, so I'll admit to some envy.
"Lazy". I'm not sure how you've reached this conclusion. You only know me through this board. How could you know whether I work hard or not.
Congrats on your success, though I think it's made you a bit of a braggart, which is not redeeming of anyone of any political view.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 12:50 PM
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Jim
BTW -- you don't sound that happy to me. You sound angry, and I suspect there's more to that than just Obama being our president.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 2:40 PM
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Gosh Benny
You sure aren't very good at hitting the mark. I'm not a braggart, it wasn't bragging explaining to you that I come from meager means. The point was that anyone in this country can accomplish what I have. The fact that you interpret that as bragging demonstrates your hatred of success. Being an atheist doesn't prove that you are not "herdistic" and "programmed" quite the contrary, you'll find it well documented that the first thing you need to do to program someone is to either destroy or replace their religion, you know, "Religion is the opiate of the people".
Actually I'm a very happy person and quite a nice person. I have just grown intolerant to the far left. All my life there has been someone on the far left trying to tell me how to run my life and trying to make it more difficult to better myself. They wish me to be part of the herd and comply, not an individual. If you can't see that then you are too complacent and have given up on the American dream and for that I have for pity you. You'll never see the America I see.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 2:46 PM
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Jim
You don't seem happy or nice, and you do strike me as a braggart. Perhaps that's not the way you are off-line, but that's how you come off here. I call 'em as I see 'em.
And I didn't ask for your pity.
Again, congratulations on all your success. I suspect everyone around you gets to hear about it often.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 2:53 PM
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Benny Benny Benny
Touchy, aren't you!
I've never had anyone say that but you and one other liberal, I know he hated success.
"Again, congratulations on all your success. I suspect everyone around you gets to hear about it often."
Nope, I'm actually quite humble, but YOU'LL hear about it!
Of course you asked for pity, no one ever openly admits they seek pity, but we all see you pleading for it.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 3:00 PM
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Jim
So I'm not getting an accurate picture of you from what you write on-line (humble? you????).
But somehow you think you can read me like a book.
Jim, I don't want anything from you. Pity. Your company. Your brilliant conversational skills. Certainly not your spelling ability.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 3:59 PM
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That's Funny
Like I care what you think of me...
Yes, I can, a children's book it's like the mind of a spoiled six year old....
I'm afraid I'm not a woman that you can bully. You do remember where I found you? You still wonder why I haven't been "Civil" with you?
You ARE a typical liberal. You'll have a hard time convincing me other, and I really don't care.
Oh, are you trying to get a job as a spell checker? lol...Right, you'd fail the audition...
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 4:31 PM
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touchy Benny
you are the one who talked about "toughen up" are you not?? As far as your comments here all you are doing is digging yourself even deeper. Everyone can see these posts and "read you like a book". It does not take much. Also you said you were an atheist---that is sad , because a magor page in your book is missing.
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Thursday, October, 15, 2009 5:26 PM
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Snow
If you think I'm sitting here stewing because you and Jim don't like my on-line persona you are mistaken.
I thought you were busy getting down with Jesus or something. Why don't you get back to that, since you think it makes you a better person.
And, yeah, Jim, you might want to look into the spell-checking functions on your computer. Maybe then you can become even more successful and mention it in a few more posts.
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Friday, October, 16, 2009 2:33 PM
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well, Ben
you got my name right this time...there is hope for you yet.As far as your latest comments to me go -don't worry. Being a Christian does not stop me from taking on "your world"
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Friday, October, 16, 2009 2:47 PM
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Snow
Whatever that means. "My world" is the same as "your world", except in "my world" Jesus "died" approximately 2,009 years ago.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 9:39 PM
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No Benny, your world is not ours
You see Benny our world is where everybody is free and independant and successful. Yours is one where the government tells you how to live, what to eat, where to sleep, what you job is, what to read, what to listen to, what news channel you shouldn't watch, what ones you can, what car to buy (if you're allowed to have one at all) and when it's time for you to die. We can't live like that and won't.
Now you're going to respond and tell me how I'm wrong, how it will be Utopia, just like China, Cuba, Juntis in Argentina, and the USSR. But where you see Utopia I see Hell.
It's a dangerous path this country is headed down and it's only made worse by people that refuse to face the reality that the Chicago thug that got elected president has ambitions to be the Hugo Chávez of the United States.
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 10:06 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Jim
Could you try being a bit more dramatic? Appreciated; thanks.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 1:33 PM
Snow Knight
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Wrong again, Ben
"your world " is NOT my world. The difference is between my solid ground and your sinking sand. The choices I have made keep my feet on solid rock wyle the choices you have made with the shifting sands of liberialism are carring you away like a tesunami. Did you ever wonder why Jesus was so at odds with the Phareses? You are right in one fact--Jesus did indeed die. He sacrificed himself and God raised him from the dead for the redemption of all mankind--incuding you.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 1:35 PM
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hey Jim
sorry bout the delay in responding--I tried to post last night but my computer "glitched" it happened when I tried to reply to Ben---go figure.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 10:27 AM
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Snow
I guess you are right. We are in different worlds. I am in the world of reality, and you are in the world where people believe that virgins can give birth to superheroes that come back from the dead.
Good luck in your world.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 10:28 AM
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I'm not too worried about the Pharisees.
Everything I need to know about Jesus I learned by watching "Jesus Christ Superstar".
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:11 AM
Jim
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Little Benny
You wouldn't know reality if it humped you. You worship a Marxist wannabe "dicktatter" and he's lied to you and you don't care, you think that "Sharing the wealth" works (never has through all of history)... You call the people that believe in equality racist, but not the ones that want to indenture minorities. Your world is Fantasy land!
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 12:42 PM
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Jim
You are setting up a "strawman" and knocking it down -- typical wingnut behavior.
I don't worship anyone, let alone Obama, and don't believe any of the things you attribute to me.
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Saturday, October, 24, 2009 9:40 AM
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No Ben
The truth of the matter is "my world" has more reality that you ever realise. These attacks on my faith only further reveal you as you really are very shallow,crude, and small thinking. Sorry, luck has nothing to do with it. Your delusioned mind follows the liberal dictates of other delusioned liberal minds like the pied piper--much to the same results.
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Saturday, October, 24, 2009 9:28 PM
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I really thought you had more dignity
Look Benny, you have to go one way or the other. You can't tell me how I'm wrong, and then say you don't side with the marxist wannabe "Dicktatter". Someone who strattles the fence, proves they have no nuts. In otherwords be man and pick a side and defend it, or you already have and that proves that you are like your master a liar!
Either way I don't care, you earn no respect from me, I respect men and women tha ttake responsibility and expect the same of others.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 10:10 AM
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Jim
I'm not interested in earning your respect.
And, no, I don't have to choose a side and defend it. That's when political discourse gets absurd. Obama was not my choice of candidate. I thought that Hillary Clinton was a smarter, more qualified choice and was disappointed when she was not nominated. She blew it by not paying enough mind to the caucuses, which apparently the Clinton people hate.
But Obama was the choice I was stuck with. I hope he does well, but if he screws up, let him defend himself. He certainly doesn't get my worship.
As for Snowman: No one is less dignified than a religious nut. And it's not limited to Jesus freaks. I went to a religious celebration this weekend that was a total mockery of what religion is supposed to be about, with sexy women hired to dance with teens and pre-teens.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 10:57 AM
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Superstar
If you'd come today
You could have reached the whole nation
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:40 PM
Snow Knight
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"un"gentle ben
you are really writing the book on civility here arn't you?? the ballon story was not the only thing full of air--and Jesus is the bright and morningstar.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:42 PM
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Snow
I don't profess to be civil to those who are not civil to me. If that's what you thought, you were incorrect.
Jesus is a nice story.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:51 PM
Snow Knight
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Ben
"snowblow" Snowman" and most trciently "relogious nut" do any of these ring a bell??
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 1:08 PM
Jim
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Hey Snow
Benny only talks about civility when he looses in a debate and and the winner won't kowtow to a liberal mercy cry, like "OOOH you're just a racist" or "you don't care about the poor" or some other foolishness like that. I first lit into him because he was bullying Jan. I can't stand it when a guy has to try to show up a woman.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 4:58 PM
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Snow & Jim --
I'm not claiming that I'm being civil to you, so get past it. I have suggested that political discourse would be better if it was civil, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to have wingnuts walk all over me.
Praise Jesus, Snowblow!
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 5:02 PM
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Jim writes:
"I first lit into him because he was bullying Jan. I can't stand it when a guy has to try to show up a woman."
So a woman can't handle arguing with someone on-line without being rescued? Hmmm.
You are aware that this is a blog, it's not real-life, and there's no face-to-face confrontation here?
Sounds like you are the one losing your grip on reality.
I can handle you, Jim. You play big old tough guy on the computer. But you're just a wingnut with a computer keyboard, and you'll be spilling your milkshake for Obama until January 20, 2017.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 6:47 PM
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ROTFLMAO at Little Benny
Let's see, you are worshiping a habitual liar with a god complex that had grandeur of being the world ruler, who thinks Marxism works, redistribution of wealth works and you think if he gets his way you'll be better off. And you think you can handle me.
It sounds like you have no sense of reality what so ever. If you actually came face to face with me, you'd soil your underoos. The only milkshake I'll be handleing is the one your mother hands me from behind the counter at McDonalds. Now go cash your welfare check, get your bottle of ripple and go fantasize about being a man.
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Saturday, October, 31, 2009 12:12 AM
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Jim
You are such a moron. Do you know that?
You can keep repeating that I worship Obama, but I clearly don't. And I'm a white-collar professional, so there's no welfare and no welfare check here.
Real classy going after my mother. Are the gloves off now? 'Cause I'd be interested in seeing what your mother would be handing me, or where she'd be leaving her lipstick. In a circle somewhere perhaps?
I think you should examine what kind of man you are before you challenge my manhood. Or have your mother check your manhood for you.
Or do you want to leave our mothers out of this, you pathetic wingnut putz.
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Benny, McDonalds is whitecollar?
Sure Benny, we believe anything you say, because liberals are so honest. What's the line? The ends justify the means? Dosn't that mean you can lie about anything? Are you sure YOU want to go there? White collar? You are clueless, you have no idea. You're bringing a popsickle stick to a gunfight and you will loose.
Oh, and my mother would gladly hand you soup at the food bank she volunteers at, but a last, that's all you'll ever get from my mom, so keep your sick fantasies out of this.
Anytime you should wish to test my manhood, you are encouraged to do so. I'll provide the plane ticket, you bring a change of underoos.
BTW white collar are the guyswho work for me, you don't seem smart enough to be in that class, you'll really look like the dolt you are when your lord and master the messiah Obamanation is remembered as the one term blunder.
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Monday, November, 02, 2009 8:49 AM
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Jim
I'm a white-collar professional, but I wouldn't work for you.
Your mother must be a saint to put up with you.
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Tuesday, November, 03, 2009 12:24 PM
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"something"Ben
Is no doupt "walking" all over you--you cannot handle it when confronted so you retreat calling out the names. What is "walking" all over you is....yourself.
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Tuesday, November, 03, 2009 2:26 PM
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Snow
Nice try. So Jim is not calling me names and suggesting that I worship Obama the Messiah?
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Saturday, November, 07, 2009 11:59 AM
Shadow95
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Jim-Snow
I've been reading this tread and I have concluded that if Ben here wants to be civil he should practice what he preaches. He loves to lash out with names like "wingnut" Snowblow" and of course "religous nut" however, Did he ever stop to think on the fact that this nation was founded by "religous nuts". It is because of the word of God our nation was founded on that he has the liberty to expouse his views-and it also because of God's word that everyone living in the US has true liberty.
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Saturday, November, 07, 2009 12:02 PM
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and Ben
you say that you are an "athest" you are free to believe in anything you wish. However, that does not null the fact that we were truly created by a Holy God that truly does exist no matter what man may say.
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Tuesday, November, 10, 2009 3:32 PM
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Shadow95
I would prefer that we ALL be civil, but I'm not going to go it alone. This is not the only place where these conversations are taking place, and I've been called many things. I'm not a Christian, as you know, so even if Christians acted consistently with their beliefs (which most do not), I would not be turning the other cheek.
You are free to believe in a giant ghost that impregnates virgins and turns people into salt for looking behind them, but I don't.
Our nation was not founded by religious nuts. Franklin questioned the divinity of Jesus. George Washington made sure he wasn't in church during communion after a clergyman said that it didn't look right when he was there not taking communion (he meant for Washington to start taking communion, not to react as he did). Most of our founders were deists. They believed in a god, but it didn't rule their lives.
I know that religious people like to think our country was founded on religion, but it's not true. The principles of many religions about, for example, justice and good works are universal, not limited to religion.
Just as many rightwingers think that liberalism is childish and you are supposed to grow out of it as you 'grow up', I think the same of religion. It's fine for kids, but as you mature you should get past the belief in Santa Claus, men coming back from the dead, and giant ghosts.
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Tuesday, November, 10, 2009 4:39 PM
Jim
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Obama Turned People into Zombies
Obama Turned People into Zombies yet you believe in him Benny. Is that so incredible that he took normal people and turned them into mindless minions? If he can do that, why can't God turn them into salt?
As you ALWAYS are, you are wrong. The founding fathers were God fearing men, some of which (including Franklin) were Freemasons. If you know anything (that's still to be determined) then you know Freemasons were/are religious. The founding Fathers were careful to separate the control of religion by the state but separate religion from the state. The idea was to allow FREEDOM of religion.
The problem with leftist forms of government is the rulers tend to think they are God and believe that justice and truth is theirs to decide and that a lie is acceptable as long as it benefits themselves.
It's very apparent you have little understanding of what grown men think. It's true that once you grow up and you actually start "paying" the bills you look at things differently. You start to want to keep what you worked hard for and you don't want to share it with those in society that are lazy and demanding (I know, the nerve of them). You start to hope that your children will inherit a world were people tell the truth not liars that believe that the "ends justify the means". You start to look at the world through reality not the leftist Utopia of Fantasy land. OK, on that one point you are correct, I think people on the left have the
intellect of a child, remember Peggy Joseph?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
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Tuesday, November, 10, 2009 5:22 PM
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Jim
Have you ever heard this saying: “From those to whom much has been given, much will be expected.”
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 8:35 AM
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40 days in the wilderness
I have to admit Snow, Jim and Ben that this past 40 days of back and forth get nowhere waltzing through the desert is one of the funniest dad gummed rants I've ever read. Who even cares about the original post? Looks like it might have ended on the 10th of November though. If so it saddens me. This has been one of the great threads of all time. Ben Chas you've invested so much in being uncivil the past 40 days I fear you may never be the same. You're so impressionable, I hope you came with a reset button.
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 7:43 PM
Snow Knight
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Wends,Sept 30
1:10 PM Ben writes: the wingnuts are not in power" It was you-Ben who shot the first uncivil shot in this thread...and I never called you names.I challenged you on an issue-proved you wrong and now you are lashing--I rember I did use the word "pity" so this ill be my last entry in this thread.
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 7:44 PM
Snow Knight
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Aftershock
again--good call!
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 7:45 PM
Snow Knight
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Shadow95
great comments...you have done your homework!!
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 8:03 PM
AfterShock
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Snow
Love ya man, in a good and proper all-American Christian way!
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 10:51 PM
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good proper all-American Christian way
I'm mighty glad to hear that as well. Benny might have started to think you were closet liberals....
Next he'll be asking if you want to play catch!
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Saturday, November, 14, 2009 11:05 PM
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Aftershock
Well at least it has set my person best for longest running blog.....
And you guys thought Benny was a good for nothing lib...
See Benny, I'm sticking up for you!
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Sunday, November, 15, 2009 8:13 AM
AfterShock
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Awe geeze, BenChas and I
aren't talking, you know how it is -- he's uncivil, I'm uncivil, we just weren't getting along. Funny how atheists use biblical teachings in attempts to buttress their extreme left ideology.
BenChas doesn't mind tossing a little of it into the mix so long as he can make it fit the Marxist agenda. He asks if you've heard that “From those to whom much has been given, much will be expected.” Which to a liberal means tax the rich and give it to the poor, even though that's not the point of the parable from which this teaching was derived.
Marxist government is a liberal's version of god, Obama's just their current high priest; and taxing the rich to, ostensibly, give it to the poor is their thread worn mantra. It's a passage that on its face seems very similar to Marx' "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" which is a complete perversion in both context and meaning of “From those to whom much has been given, much will be expected.” Of course that phrase has nothing whatever to do with taxing Peter and giving it to poor Paul, or poor Jane Roe, or poor stem cells, or any other cell cluster alleged to be the result or victim of socio-economic injustice.
Ya just gotta love how this conversation has morphed into a whole new animal.
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 12:34 PM
Jim
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Clarification
I totally believe in charity. And I in no way disapprove of Medicaid. There are people in this country that need help through no fault of their own and I'm not in anyway opposed to giving it to them. Here's where I part company with the left. What is happening now is that you have people that have the ability to help themselves, that refuse to (that's their right) and then demand that we give to them. In a court that would be called "unjust enrichment" but in leftist loonyism that's called entitlement, sharing the wealth, social justice and a bunch of other wacko terms. The point being is that charity should be given, not taken nor demanded. When you start taking from those that do soon no one dose and no one has. Socialism has never worked in the history of the world and never will. Rewarding failure and punishing success is a blueprint to disaster.
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 6:45 PM
AfterShock
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RE: Clarification
Jim I couldn't agree more. Charity is of the heart. Like being humbled before the Lord, it is an act of free will, 'cause if it isn't, it is an act of pure altruism - meaningless to God as well as meaningless to the recipient.
I give freely, and I know many great people that have given to me in times of need, even when their means were not necessarily up to the task. Therefore, I am charitable because my heart so leads me. But the way of Satan and his minions is to force giving by taxation, to demean the giver, and exalt the taker. I want to do all I can to help where needed because it is the right thing to do. You can feed a man for a day, but it is better to teach a man to gather, unleash his potential and thus help to feed himself.
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Monday, November, 16, 2009 6:51 PM
Jim
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There Is The Modern Obama Version
Give a man a fish h'll eat for a day, Have Obama take fish from everyone, soon we all starve.
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Tuesday, November, 17, 2009 4:32 PM
AfterShock
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Fishing lessons
teach a man to fish and he'll reject government intrusion into his business and life; teach a man to ask government to fish for him and for each such man 100 fishermen will be forced out of the business as bureaucrats establish the fair market value of fish then create a government run fishing fleet to insure competition.
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 2:21 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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:-(
Hey, no fair. You guys kept going without me.
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 2:23 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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That saying I quoted has a life and influence outside of a religious context. And it's not just about taxing the rich. It's also beyond charity. It's that those who are privileged -- with wealth, or maybe even just with superior intelligence -- will be expected to contribute something beyond just existing to society.
It's akin to the quote from "Spider-Man" (by the great Stan Lee): "With great power comes great responsibility."
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 5:51 PM
AfterShock
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But BenChas...
Ya can't force charity, and as for being "beyond" charity it just isn't the right nor responsibility of government (at least in our country) to use it's big stick - TAXATION - to do so on anyone's behalf. It's the function of government to protect every Citizen's right to pursue property on their own behalf.
Charity comes from the hearts and pocketbooks of people that feel compelled by conscience or even just good sense to respond to requests for temporary help by organizations established to lend help to the needy. Or, even as a direct gift person to person.
As for the relatively few that are not able-bodied and are not of sound mind, there is a limited role government can play at the State and local level, but it is completely outside the scope and purview of the Federal government to force the States or the Citizens thereof to address such issues or make forced contributions for any such purpose.
I take exception to your statement that those who acquire wealth are somehow privileged compared to the rest of society. We all have the same game-board to play on and to create wealth. It's up to each individual to make the most of it. It's definitely not the government's business and one should not be treated differently as a separate class from all other's for their success, or failure.
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 6:51 PM
AfterShock
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privileged with wealth or even...
superior intelligence?
The founding fathers of this nation were (a). of high moral character; and (b). exceedingly brilliant men, yes they did possess superior intelligence. They put their lives, liberty, substantial property and sacred honor on the line; NOT because of an altruistic expectation that individual success required a man to give of his rewards, acquired by labor and intelligence, to and for the benefit of all, but because they believed that by "the laws of nature and of nature's God" it was intended that each man possess the equal-liberty necessary to pursue as a matter of individual will, such happiness as deemed fit for their own sakes and for that of their posterity.
They did not imagine a government that by fiat or decree imposed mandates upon men that the happiness of the masses must be guaranteed at the expense of the successful.
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 9:31 PM
Jim
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That's the problem with liberals
Aftershock is dead on, you can't demand charity and anyone that supports demanding charity is a fool and a moron. Look through the whole of history, EVERY time taxes are raised tax revenue goes down and the economy retards. You're about to see that happen big time. The stupidity of Obama is going to cause a second recession, maybe a depression but definetly a massive economic crash. What do you think is going to happen when inflation hits 10% while true unemployment is at 25% and he starts all of this stupity wit htax increases, crap and trade, insurance rates doubling, gas going sky high again? I'll tell you what, I can afford to pay $200 a week for gas, can you? The poor will be the ones that end up homeless and living off the government teet, and Obama will have a whole new generation of slaves, and won't you be happy, your litttle Marxist world will have more victims. It's too bad you don't comprehend how this stuff works Benny.
PS; We did continue without you, it was a very intelligent conversation....until we had to dumb it down again.
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 10:00 PM
AfterShock
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Without Ben?
But Jim w/o BenChas who do we have to play Yin to our Yang?
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 10:14 PM
Jim
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Don't worry
He'll get over the Aftershock!
DHO!
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Thursday, November, 19, 2009 10:26 PM
AfterShock
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Well ain't it just like a liberal to
whine how unfair it is that we kept going without him then but runs off to GOD knows where once the fight is back on?
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 9:15 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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AfterShock
"I take exception to your statement that those who acquire wealth are somehow privileged compared to the rest of society."
I'm not just talking about wealth. It's beyond wealth. There are also people who are in positions of influence and intellect who should use their positions for the betterment of society.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 9:17 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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AfterShock
"Well ain't it just like a liberal to
whine how unfair it is that we kept going without him then but runs off to GOD knows where once the fight is back on?"
Not visiting a blog for a time is not exactly running off somewhere.
Without me you guys just go back and forth agreeing with each other. How much fun is that?
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 10:16 AM
AfterShock
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Hey BenChas...
Like I said, it hasn't been any fun without you, so I'm glad we're still able to lob an occasional insult and argue, be civil or uncivil. It's that old spice of life kind of thing. I like it.
Even if we're talking intellect and influence, the law of the land does not allow government to force people to use their intellect or influence for the betterment of anyone. Intellect is property owned as surely as a car or a house by the person possessing it. What one chooses to do with that property is a private matter entirely separate and protected from the heavy hand of government.
Now on the other hand, if we're talking what we might like to see from such people as a matter of wishful thinking, well then sure it would be nice if such people felt so inclined to give some of the benefit of their intellect and influence to improve society. And I know many do just that. But it can't be forced, in fact it should never be forced, for that my friend is tyranny.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 10:45 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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AfterShock
I'm on board with the last paragraph of your last post. I have great respect for those in positions of privilege (by wealth, fame, and/or intellect) who use their positions for the betterment of society. I know people who have foundations, and I like when professional athletes represent charities. I have less respect for those who do nothing but enjoy their privilege. My quote was not about what we should force on such people, but what we should expect.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 5:09 PM
AfterShock
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Well BenChas
I'm glad you aren't in favor of forcing such people to give to society by further taxation. After all, we are taxed enough already.
I would think there many reasons to have respect for those who possess and exploit their superior abilities or intellect for personal success, owing nothing to philanthropy. For instance, if a man or woman's intellect and ability have led them to succeed wildly in business, or on Wall St, there are benefits to society that come regardless. I respect them on that level.
The model for success these people create simply by being successful is observable and can be duplicated by others; the capital they invest in businesses, the jobs created as a result of such investment and the good economic fallout from the spending they do and the things they purchase all contribute to the creation of jobs and opportunity at the retail and services level of the economy, and let us not forget the taxes they pay already.
It's very true, that such people are received more warmly by society when known for a bit of philanthropy from time to time, I know I feel that way; but, whether they do so or not should have no affect on the residual and I would argue substantial and positive benefits their abilities, successes and intellect bring to us all.
So Ben, I wouldn't disrespect ultra talented and successful people for not being philanthropic. They can always place their intellect on display, benefit society with the keys to their success and profit from that to boot by writing a book; which undoubtedly would make the NYT bestseller list, as well as boost retail sales and jobs all through the chain of society.
Now on the other hand if we're talking Ebenezer Scrooge, intentionally inflicting his or her own misery on others in the course of conducting their successful professional life, I'd have little personal respect for someone like that.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 5:20 PM
AfterShock
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And by the way Ben
these people are not enjoying the "privilege" of success, or of their abilities, they are enjoying the fruits of exercising the natural right to succeed. Privileges are man made or contractual rights, granted most often via or under the auspices of a government entity. Privileges are inferior to natural rights because what is given by government or by contract can also be manipulated, breached and/or taken away by the same.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 5:23 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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AfterShock
There's no penalty for not doing good for mankind, but I would have less respect for those who are just plain fortunate but do nothing for society. That's just the way I feel.
I often think that if I won the lottery I'd use some of my money (and a lot of my time if I don't have to work anymore) to the betterment of society. I wish I had more money and time to donate to my favorite charities, like the Ronald McDonald House and the Shriners.
If I were wildly wealthy I'd look into starting my own foundation once I could settle on a mission.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 5:26 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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AfterShock
I'm not getting into parsing what's a privilege and what's a right. Either way, the point is that much is expected from those in a superior position. You may not agree, but I'm glad to report that most of the wealthy and intelligent people I know do give something back, whether by donation or by their acts.
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Friday, November, 20, 2009 8:08 PM
AfterShock
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BenChas
Nothing wrong with the way you feel Ben, I agree I'd probably do something similar if I had such great intellect and wealth, or won the lottery just as most successful or fortunate people do of their own free will. I think we're disagreeing over the definition of terms.
What exactly do you mean when by "those who are just plain fortunate but do nothing for society"? I mean Ben I know lots of those types exist and it's sad, especially when they decide their calling in life is to run for public office, acquire as much power as possible, feed from the public trough never intending to resign or retire, so that they can limit the liberty of the rest of us and subject us to their oppressive and oft tyrannical regulatory schemes.
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Saturday, November, 21, 2009 6:48 AM
AfterShock
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Oh Jim... this thread lives
Records are in the making my friend - oh damn that sounded like john mccain, sorry - and now that Benjamin K Charles or BenChuck for short has come back, you guys have disappeared. And do you have any idea how long it takes to scroll the elevator down to the last comment posted? Git with it man!
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Saturday, November, 21, 2009 10:38 AM
Shadow95
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I'll answer
Aftershock--you and Jim have presented your facts and they have stood--that what happens when you build your house on a rock. The mistakes this current administration are making are on their own head and America is waking up to teeir delisions--the elections in Virginia and New Jersey have poven that!!
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Saturday, November, 21, 2009 10:48 AM
Shadow95
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and Ben
This country was indeed founded on the Bible. You forget the fact even before the founding of Jamestown a cross was planted on a Virginia beach and this land was proclaimed "tho the glory of God".I was not talking about Ben Franklins veiw on the divinity of Christ---all of the signers of the Declaration of Independace (and the magority of the founding fathers)knew where our liberties came from...above. Do you think it was "kids stuff" to them??
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Sunday, November, 22, 2009 10:49 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Shadow95
This country was founded on reason, not religion. And that's the way I like it. The one thing that I know was founded on the Bible was George W. Bush's intellect, and that went really well, didn't it?
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Monday, November, 23, 2009 1:24 PM
Jim
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Geez Aftershock, I'm out of town
But that's OK, I'll throw in what I can. Benny, there is a MAJOR scratchin in your record... You do realize that GWB is no longer president, right? You do realize that the main complaints Dimocrits had about GWB was defecit spending and troops in the middle east, right? No one was complaining about religion. The battle cry was about WMD (which was not why we went into Iraq, but the idiots protesting didn't care about facts) and the soldiers were dying and that were were spending billions on the war. You do realize that the Moron in Chief, your god and master, the messiah Obamanation has plunged us into an economic freefall that is going to devastate this country in an unpresidented manner, the heathcare deform is going to do even more damage and he is intent on making everyone poor (I know, you haven't figured out that when the massive inflation hits and devastates the economy and unemployment hits 15% (30% actual) that you are going to be hit by it) and subject to more government control. You must crave being dominated...
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Monday, November, 23, 2009 4:40 PM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Jim
Let's start with your first incorrect premise and George W. Bush lie (or negligence): We went into Iraq because he supposedly had WMD's. Remember: We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
So let's start with that before we bother going any further.
Thank you for reminding me that Bush is no longer president. :-)
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Monday, November, 23, 2009 8:15 PM
Jim
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How DO I Put This Tenderly...
You as always are incorrect benny, the violation of 36 seperate UN Sanctions resulted in action of a multi-nation force to enter Iraq and enforce the UN sanction policies. Failure of the Iraqi government and forces resulted in heated confrontation which eventually resulted in the removal from power one of the most prominant mass murderers of the 20th century the former dictator of Iraq Sadomy HInsane. He does pale in comparison to your heroes, Mao Ze-Dong, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler. Maybe your god and master the messiah Obamanation will have anyone that believes in liberty and freedom rounded up and euthanized (using Obamacare to dispose of dissidents) and out shine all of your heroes, after all there is about 122,000,000 of us conservatives (of course there is about 60,000,000 liberals)
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Tuesday, November, 24, 2009 9:30 AM
Benjamin K. Charles
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Jim
I was alive and following it. I remember the rationale that the Bush Administration set forth again and again for why we were going in. They made it clear that he had WMD's so the operations we had in place to keep Saddam Hussein in check were no longer adequate.
We went in because he supposedly had WMD's.
They were wrong. And thousands of lives were destroyed.
You will never revise this history for me. I remember it. So don't even try. I know the truth. Your love and defense (and worship?) of the Bush Administration will NOT erase what I know.
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Friday, November, 27, 2009 9:08 AM
Shadow95
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Bush?
What has he got to do with the Biblical foundations of this country Ben??Look, If you cannot handle the issue at hand ...just say so. You do not have to flip-flop from one topic to another. I have pointed out the planting of the cross (before jamestown) as well as the Declaration of Independance. I do believe I have proven my case. As far as George bush is concerned...that is another story.
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