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Comment on: Not So Friendly Fire

Behind Enemy Lines

40 Comments
Saturday, August, 30, 2008 11:26 AM BrianR writes:

Hahahaha, Sarge!


That was great!

I especially liked the primer on "snoopin' and poopin'".

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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 11:29 AM clyde writes:

Sgt.Relic

Good stuff! Glad you made it back safely. Guess me and the other pariahs can slink back into our holes for now. mwahahahahahaha
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 1:59 PM beltway girl writes:

!!!!

what a GREAT post! hey, listen, you better keep this post running the whole season through the comments b/c by the time you're finished w/it, it's going to be the size of "war and peace"... i'm going to go read it over. i heard some of this. you know, being a true masochist, i watch MSNBC (as long as i can stand it), and the day they announced her, i turned it on, not knowing who it was yet, and they were crucifying her. and i thought, now who is it? and it was palin. wouldn't have happened if it was romney, but this just really, really drove them nuts.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 2:14 PM wil writes:

That was entertaining

I say better a beauty queen than a dancing queen if we have to go there. It didn't matter who was picked, they were going to be the antichrist to the left no matter what. This trooper thing is going to be blown up, and soon you'll see left wing blogs claiming that she has always been a mafia type, and was behind the knee clubbing of Nancy Kerrigan, the arrest of the ABC reporter in Denver and was even on the grassy knoll as an infant. They'll throw mud until they find something that sticks, then beat that drum for the next two months.

I am waiting for them to rip on her education..after all she is not Ivy league like Obama or like the last 3 presidents....she went to The University of Idaho, an open enrollment University, just like I did.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 2:16 PM wil writes:

Beltway Girl

if it were Romney they would be talking about the grave dangers of Mormonism and how Romney intends to begin the Joseph Smith Jihad brigade to bring back polygamy and marriage with children.....they will attack whoever calls themselves a Republican
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 5:10 PM Sgt Relic writes:

Brian

HaHaHa! I thought about using the slang term, knowing old grunt types like you would get it, but decided to write for the broader audience.

Next up. The Daily Kos.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 6:56 PM BrianR writes:

Y'know what's really funny, Sarge

is that you and I are already dinosaurs, even understanding that stuff.

In our day, we had to hump our butts and our rucks and a Prick-25 all over the jungle and mountains with more make-up cammy on our faces than a Goth teenager, pee in a bottle, and hope we didn't get our butts shot off.


I watch the Military and History and Discovery channels, and see the modern troopie sitting back with three-hots-and-a-cot sending some drone with a camera sixty miles ahead doing the same job.


Man!..... if I get reborn, I'm coming back as a modern grunt!

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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 8:30 PM str8_talk writes:

Sarge

Yeah, like who has the trophy wife, I believe that Michelle has more brains than BHO! Biden's wife was a Sr. in college 9 yrs younger when he met her. Plus, he had just been elected and not sworn in when his wife and infant daughter died in a car crash, he still became a US Senator.

McCain's wife Cindy Hensley of Anheuser Busch, she's not worth much, cough, cough. Then Sarah Palin the beauty queen married to the dogmusher of Alaska.

I thought Obama was going to make this a 'clean' campaign, you mean he's ALREADY broken a promise?

New post on my blog.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 8:49 PM Sgt Relic writes:

clyde

It sounds like you've been tangling with some of our fellow THer's. Just be glad that there are still differences of opinion and the freedom to express them.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 9:09 PM Sgt Relic writes:

BG

It would become quite a tome by November. Have no fear, any day now Gloria Steinem or Ellie Smeal will be speaking out in her defense. HaHaHa! Oh! I forgot the part about pigs flying.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 9:16 PM Sgt Relic writes:

wil

Now that you mention it, I do seem to remember a woman holding an infant in the Zapruder film. I never thought to look for a tiny Mannlicher-Carcano.

Education might be tricky on a VP to VP basis. The University of Delaware ain't Harvard you know.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 9:26 PM wil writes:

Good point sgt

I didn't see till after I posted that Biden went to Delaware and Syracuse for college
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 9:37 PM Sgt Relic writes:

Brian

I just made a similar comment to my wife this morning. The modern grunt has some very cool looking BDU's. They can see in the dark, never get lost because their navigating with lensetic compasses on maps left over from the French.

The list goes on. Body armor that is not a green skivvy shirt is a major plus.

Times change. I remember the old dogs in my outfit busting our chops for being "soda pop Marines" because our CO had chopped in two sh*tcans of iced beer and soda after a big op.

We got the "where are the beans, bullets and bandages" lecture followed by the 4000th recounting of the "frozen Chosin in the freezin' season" story.

When you think about it. You and I are as far removed from our days in the field as my Grandfather was from WWI when I went to Vietnam.

BTW, when he joined the Blue and Gray Division he got busted on by vets from the WBTS and the Spanish War. Nothing changes. HaHaHa!
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 9:48 PM Sgt Relic writes:

str8 talk

They were calling her McCain's second trophy wife. Biden I remember well. I was living in DE at the time and worked the opposing campaign for Cale Boggs.

We had him beat squarely until his wife and daughters were killed driving home from a campaign event. It was tragic and the ensuing sympathy vote edge out Boggs by around 4k votes.

Oddly, the knock on Biden in that campaign was his lack of experience, age, since he was not 30 yet, the resulting loss of seniority and the fact that he had almost no private sector experience as a lawyer or anything else for that matter.

It just goes to show you that if you live long enough you see it all. LOL!
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 10:02 PM Sgt Relic writes:

All

TH is at it again. I just got a flag that said the word (this was a 4 with 3 zeros after it, it won't let me post the real number) is unacceptable. WTH, does that mean! What? It's too low? Too High? I never got flagged for a number before.

Also the comments are not showing up in the order I wrote them. Well, you guys are bright enough to figure it out for yourselves.

Maybe a dem followed me home from the dim underground and has launched a confusion of service attack.
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 10:06 PM Sgt Relic writes:

wil

That's it UD, Syracuse, New Castle County Council and straight to senator. His early resume was thinner than Obama or Palin. So was his hair but he got that fixed. HaHaHa!
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Saturday, August, 30, 2008 10:19 PM wil writes:

I did some research

as to the job and education history of the presidents since 1945....it is very interesting to me that neither education nor job experience seems to predict success as a president. To me, of the Presidents since 1945 Truman and Reagan were the top two by a wide margin, and neither were "prepared" by traditional standards, but but had very good instincts and common sense.
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 1:33 AM BrianR writes:

Yep, Sarge, it cracks me up


When "The Green Berets" (really pathetic movie; I never knew the Sun set in the East, over Cam Rahn Bay or wherever that lAST scene supposedly took place) was released in '68 or '69, it was already about 25 years since the end of WW2. I went in in '69.

So, our war ended in about '73, so add 25 years to that and you get '98. TEN YEARS AGO.

Man! We are crusty old relics.... so I know where you came up with your name!

I remember our flak jackets... among the first things dumped in the bush at the side of the trail when we went on patrol. WAY too hot and heavy, and not worth a flying f.

Usually promptly joined by our gas masks. Kept the case, though, because you could stick goodies in there.



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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 6:29 AM Sgt Relic writes:

wil

The old saying "It is not what you know that is as important as who you know" carries some validity.

I personally would argue for the natural leader as opposed to the hereditary leader. However, there is probably a good blog post in your supposition, should you care to expand on it.

I say this, based upon the fact that as I sought to answer your comment I was deterred from a comprehensive answer because of the sheer length involved.
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 7:05 AM Sgt Relic writes:

Brian

HaHaHa! Now you get the relic thing. Like most American kids I grew up on John Wayne flicks but that film was just awful.

When I went in country in '67 Cam Rahn was so far in the rear with the gear, and considered so safe, that they ran in-country R&R there. ISYN!

My goodie bag was an a**pack, recently liberated from the better supplied forces of oppression occupying the RVN. The U.S. Army!! The Marine Corps operates more like Napoleon's Army did. You can have it if you can find it. HaHaHa!

The film got that part right. Every unit prizes their cumshaw artist. If it isn't nailed down it will disappear. I swear that that Army position near us preferred a visit from the NVA to seeing a bunch of Marines show up.
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 2:17 PM Third Eye writes:

Because She is Conservative!

Democrats are saying that McCain chose Palin to appeal to the disgruntled Hillary voters. Let's face it the 'Hillary voters' are not up for grabs. In the end they will pull the 'D' lever like the good little lefties that they are. John McCain chose Sarah Palin because she is a Conservative! That is what has the hankies wringing over on the left.

I did some recon at Huffington Post. They have a whole page of nonesense regarding Sarah Palin.
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 4:28 PM beltway girl writes:

sarge, feminists

they're having convulsions over this right now... i thought they'd have to use a tongue depressor on eleanor clift on "mclaughlin group"...
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 6:25 PM Sgt Relic writes:

Third Eye

As I said in my conclusion; whether this will pick up votes from the P.U.M.A. folks or retrieve some of the less committed conservatives currently in the third party camps is yet to be observed.

Most of what I am seeing on sites such as the one you mention is exactly what you would expect from the Obama people. I don't really expect mass defections from any of the various positions.

It is very close the election and there are really very few people that have not made up their minds already. The so-called independent vote is completely predictable in most elections. Historically they will break 7/3 democrat to republican.

IMO, the real X-factors in this cycle are disaffected conservatives and a similar group in the PUMA camp.

I haven't really noodled this one but I suspect McCain will improve in certain demographics but overall I would be surprised if he picked up more than 2 or 3 points overall.
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 7:20 PM skep41 writes:

What If...?

What if the Obama gang doesn't get their balance back? I don't see them having a theme. McCain is Bush is all they've got. They're against a whole lot of things but after all this time we don't know what their FOR. That 'cover-up' convention was a joke. They didn't talk about the future in any concrete terms. What alternative energy? Where's an alternative energy vehicle that I can buy at Pancho's Used Cars down the street for two thousand bucks? I also think that the bloggers are eating Obama alive. His unsavory Red Past is all over the internet, just as Kerry's war record was.
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Sunday, August, 31, 2008 11:25 PM ShiningCity writes:

My recon mission

was real life--friends/family/church acquaintances.

My findings: he's gonna pick up more than 2 or 3 points. These conservatives here in the Springs are on-board. These were previously the "stay at home"-ers.
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Monday, September, 01, 2008 6:55 AM Sgt Relic writes:

BG

Eleanor Clift. Now that's what I like about feminism. Rationality and Reason. LOL!
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Monday, September, 01, 2008 7:11 AM Sgt Relic writes:

Skep

The dems sure got caught off guard on Palin. I'd be willing to bet that they had a whole raft of prepared attacks for Romney and Pawlenty et al.

Bloggers do seem to be gaining importance to dems and somewhat to the GOP which is why I went looking to see the reaction. That seemed the natural place to find the first low blows that can be packaged for primetime.

I can't think of an alternative energy vehicle such as you describe, that is, unless Pancho sells bicycles. Generalities rule the day. Pols say "alternative" and the voters fill in the energy of their choice.

I'm currently working on breeding giant hamsters but I'm still having problems with the squeaky exercise wheel.
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Monday, September, 01, 2008 7:38 AM Sgt Relic writes:

SC

I have seen a similar effect. My wife was very charged up over the Palin pick. I suspect that she was already in the McCain column anyway.

Today should tell more of a tale. The first poll I've seen was a CNN which had it 49/48 BO/McCain. CNN would likely have me losing by a couple of points if I was the only one polled about myself.

I stand by my 2 to 3 estimate. IMO, Palin shook some conservatives out the trees and picked up maybe one in five PUMA's. That was enough to cancel the DNC bounce and put it back to even.

Bad timing on the storm can hurt or help. Gas prices are already going up. $.10 in a single day here. If McPalin drops the alternative bomb instead of pounding drilling they risk coming out flat at the end of this week.

Meanwhile, I've got Hannah sneaking up on me.
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Monday, September, 01, 2008 9:37 AM davecatbone writes:

Sarge

I'm hoping Hannah fizzles out on you. Whether or not McCain is a good candidate is not the question here. It's the point that Palin has galvanized the Right, and now many more who would have stayed home will vote. And he's going to be stronger with the independents, which was his focus in the first place. Any of the other picks would have only reached one of the two groups. Shrewd, I think.
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Monday, September, 01, 2008 1:11 PM Sgt Relic writes:

Thanks Dave

We are fairly used to hurricanes here. I've lost track of how many we've had over the years. North Carolina very graciously sticks out in front of us and usually sucks up the first hit. HaHaHa! Apologies to my Tarheel friends!

I'd stop short of saying Palin has galvanized the right. She is certainly the center of attention and I think most conservatives like her.

Unfortunately she can't distance herself from McCain, but it will make getting off the reservation a tougher decision for many.

I'm withholding judgment on a plus or minus on this one until I get a better look at how it affected Barr/Baldwin and how Nader looks post convention.

I'm stuck doing honeydoos and haven't had a chance to do much else this weekend. (groan!!)
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Tuesday, September, 02, 2008 8:37 AM davecatbone writes:

BTW Sarge

I've a new post linking to the same from Garnet about the charges against Sarah Palin. You may find it interesting.
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Tuesday, September, 02, 2008 12:14 PM Sgt Relic writes:

DCat

On my way.
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Tuesday, September, 02, 2008 3:56 PM BrianR writes:

You'll love THIS, Sarge!


You heard the latest? Now, Palin's got "military experience" because as Governor she was "commander of the National Guard". The moon-faced former conservative known as Gingrich was floating that around on Sunday, and McCullough and I got into it yesterday on his column from the TH home page.

I almost spewed coffee all over my monitor when I read that! She wouldn't know enfilading fire from chili chimichangas, and all of a sudden she's got "military experience"!

Not only is that patently absurd... it trivializes the actual service of anyone who ever wore a uniform, not to mention saw actual combat.

Every time I think about that, I get majorly PIZZED OFF!


The GOP spent an entire election campaign mocking and ridiculing Kerry, who actually SHOWED UP and commanded a boat in combat, and don't see anything hypocritical at all about calling Palin's governorship actual "military experience".

Every time I think I've seen the lowest they'll sink, they continue to prove me wrong.



I'm sure her "military experience" is the only thing that kept Putin from invading Alaska.....

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Tuesday, September, 02, 2008 5:12 PM Sgt Relic writes:

HaHaHa! That is pretty thin...

You know what a big fan I am of lawyering. (Groan!!!) But what the hay. Come. Let us lawyer together.

Under the U.S. constitution the state governors had control of their National Guard units, without the authority to use as them as offensive soldiers. This was changed by act of congress to give the president control in times of natural disaster rather than the Governors.

This was a Warner/Kennedy concoction that was passed on 1/12/07. Gov. Palin assumed office on 12/6/06. By my calculation she had 38 days on the job as CinC before the president superseded that authority. Katrina, the gift that keeps on giving.

Remind me again how long you have to be in combat to get one of those "musket qualification" badges the Army is so proud of? 90 days?

I doubt that Palin would make such a ridiculous claim on her own behalf and shame on Green Newt for doing it.


Enfilades, they are the ones made out of flour, right? HaHaHaHa!



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Tuesday, September, 02, 2008 5:50 PM BrianR writes:

Yep


I particularly like the chicken and cheese enfilades.

I never liked the corn ones...

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Friday, September, 12, 2008 10:18 PM Chad writes:

Great post!

It gave me flashbacks to scrpes and bruises and smells I didn't want to remember... Excellent recon. Funny how they bash Quayle. Rememebr what he was talking about. Gee, for a "dumb" guy he was right. Surprise again! If more people had listened to him maybe our children wouldn't be so screwed up by MTV and all the other Godless crap they are innundated with. Great job again, Sarge!
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Friday, September, 12, 2008 10:19 PM Chad writes:

38 days on the job as CinC

beats 143 in the Senate as far as I am concerned...
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Saturday, September, 13, 2008 6:03 AM Sgt Relic writes:

Chad

Quayle might not have been much of a speller but I'd wager that he knew there are only 50 states. LOL!

Imagine, in twenty years, an entire generation that can only type with their thumbs!

Gingrich, as it turns out, was engaged in doing a little beat down on a reporter. Doing a bit of political theater.

Palin has many fine qualities and it has always been my belief that Governors are more suited to the presidency than legislators based upon a similar job description but certainly not identical.

Over the years I have met a number of Governors but I never once saw a member of their staff carrying a "football".

The presidency is an awesome responsibility and I have a healthy distrust of anyone who seems to want the job too badly.

That what was why I liked Thompson. He seemed reluctant but willing to do the job and that fit the description of what the founders told us to look for in our leaders.

I suppose I'm looking for a Cincinnatus in a day and age filled with Julius Caesars.
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Sunday, September, 14, 2008 8:11 PM Chad writes:

reluctant but willing

Those are the true public servants. It is too bad that Washington has become so depraved and politics so brutishly nonsensical that those who would serve best will not even consider putting their names in the hat. We need more of the reluctant but willing.
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Sunday, September, 14, 2008 8:43 PM Sgt Relic writes:

Chad

You have it right. We have lots of politicians but no statesmen.
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