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Comment on: Gray Ghost Country

Israel Prepares for War with Iran

89 Comments
Monday, May, 04, 2009 2:10 PM Donnie writes:

Grey Ghost

Your post is right on,to bad this Administration is focused on destroying this country than world problems.
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Monday, May, 04, 2009 2:13 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Donnie

Thanks for stopping by.

Yes O'Vomit and his minions are intent on "socializing" the US, not on stopping Iran.

Israel has no choice. Either defend herself or be destroyed.
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Monday, May, 04, 2009 9:07 PM VerneStrickland writes:

Gray Ghost

Very interesting (and disturbing) post. Thanks for sharing this special information. God spare Israel. We have to stand by her. So many rabid foes are arrayed against this nation. A way out will be provided. Good job, sir. Verne.
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Monday, May, 04, 2009 9:18 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Verne

Thanks for stopping by.

I agree, we have to stand by Israel, not only from a Christian viewpoint but also as Israel is the only real "civilized" nation in the area. (At present I don't count Iraq yet.)

The "re-fueling" exercise over the Med is extremely interesting and leads me to think Persian Gulf.
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Monday, May, 04, 2009 9:48 PM dawndawn writes:

Frightening ...

Very disturbing post, Gray Ghost. Our prayers go out to Israel and her people. They are standing alone right now. pbho will do absolutely nothing to intervene, and he does not have the strength, courage, moral or ethical authority to stand up to Iran. With "Pahkeeestahn" imploding and their loose nukes, there does not appear to be a leader anywhere in the Western world to challenge Iran, except Benjamin Netanyahu. God bless the people of Israel.
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Monday, May, 04, 2009 10:12 PM rackoons writes:

The Iranian thug strikes

Today, the Iranian Thug fired some people who he thought were soft on Israel and on his nuclear facilities. It seems as if the old Carter idea of even handedness,( see Israel at a disadvantage because of oil-world opinion et all, the same old rationale) is back with the Obamanites. BHO does not want a ME war and who can blame that but, but, he will not get the fact that Iranian bombs could be falling on Israel by next year. He dissed Bibi and now he is saying Israel better not go against the 'world's wishes.' Uh, why not say, that the Islamofascists better not go against the world's wishes?!!! Well, you know, peace in our time!!! I have been reading the Post and other defense agency stuff and it sure looks like Bibi is serious in taking out the Iranian threat. If so, conservChristians like myself will be cheering as Obama wails.
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 12:25 AM BrianR writes:

Very interesting


I'm not so sure Iran's as hot to attack Israel as others may think.

First, they don't have the backing of any other ME power players, and that's huge. They can goose around using Hezbollah and other surrogates, but a direct attack attributable solely to them is another matter.

The quality of the average Iranian soldier is very poor and unmotivated. These guys couldn't defeat Iraq over a period of years, whom we wiped out in days. Iran's own generals know this; they're not complete fools.

Further, if you understand the ME mindset, eternal saber-rattling in itself serves a very useful function: look at all the concessions they've gained internationally just by being obnoxious.

I also don't believe they're ready to start a nuke war, and won't be unless they enjoy unbeatable superiority.

Just one guy's $0.02.

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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 7:13 AM Gray Ghost writes:

dawndawn

Israel appears to be in the same situation she was in the late 1970's, with one important difference, Iraq is out of the picture.

The Israelis cannot "completely" trust the US to stand up for their interests. And this has to "color" how they look at the situation.
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 9:31 AM Georgetwin writes:

GGhost

What choice does Israel have? BOOM ASAP!
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 10:30 AM Eric writes:

Gray Ghost

Pray for Israel. I'm glad Bush cared for these people and gave them the American X-Band Radar. I believe we all know where Obama and the UN stand, and I'm glad Israel has such a strong military, because it looks like they'll work alone.
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 2:43 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Rackoons

"it sure looks like Bibi is serious in taking out the Iranian threat"

He gives every indication that he is serious. The re-fueling exercise over the Med and the calling to active duty the IAF missile officers (I know it was started before he took office, but he is continuing it) on a weekly basis.

As for O'Vomit's possible threats against Israel, Bibi knows how strong they are (not!). Therefore Bibi must make the final decision to "hit" the Iranian facilities using the best interests of Israel.
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 3:19 PM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

"I also don't believe they're ready to start a nuke war, and won't be unless they enjoy unbeatable superiority."

I "bow" to your Iranian knowledge (You actually lived there). But let me play "devil's advocate" for a minute.

Could Iran (in the mind of her leaders) THINK they have "unbeatable" superiority in a sense?

In other words, could Iran use Hezbollah and other surrogates to deliver the nuke to Tel Aviv?

This is what would worry me if I were Bibi.

I believe that Iran knows that the chances of a missile attack on Israel succeeding are pretty non-existant. And as you said, the Iranian Army can't do the job. The Iranian Air Force could be easily beaten by the Mississippi Air National Guard, not to mention the IAF. And the Iranian Navy is no help either.

But Iran has a very powerful ally in the form of Hezbollah and other terrorist groups. If a nuke were handed over to Hezbollah by Iran, could Hezbollah deliver the weapon to Tel Aviv?

Bibi must be considering this in determining whether or not to attack Iran.
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 3:32 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Georgetwin

I agree with you.

But you have to consider what BrianR wrote above. He actually lived in Iran and knows the area better than I.

He makes some valid points. But I would probably still take out the Iranian facilities if I were Israel just because I could never be sure of Iran's intentions. Iran without a nuke is better than Iran with a nuke.
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Tuesday, May, 05, 2009 3:50 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Eric

"Pray for Israel. I'm glad Bush cared for these people and gave them the American X-Band Radar. I believe we all know where Obama and the UN stand, and I'm glad Israel has such a strong military, because it looks like they'll work alone."

I do pray for Israel. As a Christian, I know that Israel is the only "stable" government in the entire Middle East (I am still not counting Iraq, at least not for a few more years).

Concerning the American X-Band radar System: X band radars operate on a wavelength of 2.5-4 cm and a frequency of 8-12 GHz. Because of the smaller wavelength, the X band radar is more sensitive and can detect smaller "targets".
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Wednesday, May, 06, 2009 7:43 AM buck writes:

The only realistic thinkers are Israelis

They do not rely on anyone else in the world to defend them. That includes USA. With the rise of NAZIism the world sat idly by while Jews were rounded up, deported and ultimately killed in an attempt to eradicate Jews. That includes USA. Even after WWII when survivors of the holocaust were trying to flee Europoe they were being denied freedom. They were homeless, a people without a country until 1948. Since that time they have had a contuing struggle to maintain that safe haven for all Jews. The Israelis know their enemies can start and lose a battle a year or as often as they can afford but the Jewish state cannot afford to lose even one time. The world would, once again, sit by, purse its lips, shake its head,the UN would strongly condemn the destroyers...then it would be business, as usual.
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Wednesday, May, 06, 2009 11:09 AM BrianR writes:

Ghost


The problem presented by "backpack" nukes is probably the most troubling.

Now, as you know, they're small weapons, limited in capability even if they fully function as designed, and a "fizzle yield" turns them into something even less damaging: a conventional bomb spreading nuclear waste products.

Not to be taken lightly, but not a country-killer, either. Further, from what I've read, Iran doesn't have the resources to produce more than one or two devices if or when they even DO reach production capability. They haven't reach that point in their technology yet.

But that threat's not limited to just Iran, IMO. Any group that gets its hands on such a device, or for that matter an effective chem or bio agent, could cause some serious damage.

I think the main issue holding Iran back is the fact that they don't have the backing of the other ME major players.

If Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria were to all back Iran, then I think there'd be a very real danger of them moving forward.

But right now, they're pretty much pariahs in the world AND the region, and that's a huge problem for them.

As nutty as they are, they don't want to end up completely isolated like N Korea is. The civilian populace isn't too happy with the mullahs and ayatollahs, and a massive revolt would leave them out of power if not dead.

And grinding poverty would, I think, bring that about.

Iranians have become used to a fairly good lifestyle (for the region) because of all their oil. They get their creature comforts. There's a lot of "wink wink, nudge nudge" going on in the country, and no one really wants to upset the status quo.

But if they were suddenly embargoes, we could look for huge unrest right away. These ayatollahs are mindful of how they came to power in the first place, and don't want to find themselves on the receiving end of the same thing.

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Wednesday, May, 06, 2009 12:50 PM INTHENOW writes:

Tactical POV


Immediately following the first Gulf war, I was part of multiple testing at White Sands. As part of the OT&E, we were task to evaluate the integration of space, airborne, and terrestrial systems and concepts to ID launch, track, warn, and destroy ballistic missiles. This was following a war where we failed miserably at SCUD hunting. Extremely dynamic is the only way to describe process.

Missile defense is risky. Destroying the missiles and launchers prior to launch is best, but easier said than done with mobile systems. Still, it’s much simpler and effective than trying to shoot them down and then ducking for cover.

IMO, when (not if) Israel preempts this show, C2 and the nuclear facilities will probably be only slightly higher on the target priority list than mobile missiles and launchers. The reactors aren’t going anywhere.
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Wednesday, May, 06, 2009 11:04 PM clyde writes:

G G

Interesting. One thing about it,Netanyahu is damned if does,damned if he don't. He sure as heck has NO friends in this administration,nor at the den of scumbags on Turtle Bay.THEY most likely will be the FIRST in line to condemn BiBi for defending his nation.It NEVER fails to amaze me how IGNORANT the left is about Israel.
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Thursday, May, 07, 2009 9:15 AM Gray Ghost writes:

buck

I agree with you on Israel. They cannot afford to lose one war. The surrounding Muslims can, and have, lost war after war and are still in existence.
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Thursday, May, 07, 2009 9:21 AM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

"Iranians have become used to a fairly good lifestyle (for the region) because of all their oil. They get their creature comforts. There's a lot of "wink wink, nudge nudge" going on in the country, and no one really wants to upset the status quo.

But if they were suddenly embargoes, we could look for huge unrest right away. These ayatollahs are mindful of how they came to power in the first place, and don't want to find themselves on the receiving end of the same thing."

Like you, I would prefer the ayatollahs in Iran to be out of work (or assuming ambient temperature). All I can hope is that the people of Iran get tired of all the "posturing" and "threatening" by Iran's upper management and "fire" them at the next election.

And perhaps the Israelis are doing nothing more than praying for peace while preparing for war. I would prefer that the Middle East not "explode" with "mushrooms". There are far too many chances for a war there to grow into something much larger.
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Thursday, May, 07, 2009 9:29 AM Gray Ghost writes:

INTHENOW

"IMO, when (not if) Israel preempts this show, C2 and the nuclear facilities will probably be only slightly higher on the target priority list than mobile missiles and launchers. The reactors aren’t going anywhere."

A conventional armed missile is dangerous. But a nuclear armed missile is "nation shattering".

Without the nuclear facilities, all Iran has are some "long range artillery" shells.

I hope BrianR is correct about Iran and that the threats by Iran's leaders is nothing but posturing. What worries me is that you cannot fully trust the Iranian leaders to be totally sane. Even at the height of the "Cold War", you could at least trust the USSR's leaders to be sane.


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Thursday, May, 07, 2009 9:34 AM Gray Ghost writes:

clyde

"It NEVER fails to amaze me how IGNORANT the left is about Israel."

It never fails to amaze me how IGNORANT the Looney Left is about everything. To elect a man with no executive experience to the office of POTUS is insanity at its highest form.

I have more executive experience than O'Vomit, and I am nothing more than a "country engineer" in a "dirtwater" part of the country.

God help us.
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Thursday, May, 07, 2009 11:05 AM BrianR writes:

Well...


The problem is that their "elections" are about as meaningful as those hosted by the old Soviet Union.

Only "approved" candidates on the ballot.

It will take an uprising to oust the ayatollahs, IMO.

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Thursday, May, 07, 2009 11:56 AM INTHENOW writes:

Grey Ghost


“A conventional armed missile is dangerous. But a nuclear armed missile is "nation shattering".”

That’s a fact. And that’s why I think Israel will strike before Iran has the opportunity to put a warhead in a missile.

If the Iranians are indeed saber rattling for world consumption, then that only works in Israel’s favor for preemption. No doubt the Mossad is trying to discern fact from hyperbole.
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Friday, May, 08, 2009 10:44 AM Mrs. AL (Always Learning) writes:

Gray Ghost

Israel is on their own. They alone can make the determination what needs to be done to secure their sovereignty. Too bad we can’t say the same any longer.

Outstanding post and thread comments! I have learned something here and I am appreciative.
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Saturday, May, 09, 2009 1:37 AM Gar Swaffar writes:

And the

New name for Natanz will be Slag City.
With any luck, the wind will take all of the fallout directly to Tehran.
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Saturday, May, 09, 2009 1:40 AM Gar Swaffar writes:

And the new

Name for Natanz will be 'Slag City - Biggest Little Nightlight in Iran'
And it won't be Ole Moe whose light shines on Tehran.
With luck the wind will carry any fallout directly to Tehran.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 12:40 PM Sgt Relic writes:

GG

Good comments here! Windbreaker Boy is loose cannon and, IMO, he thinks he's on a mission God which makes him very dangerous if he has a nuke.

Clearly Israel is on it's own since Obama's sympathies rest with the other side. It is a bad time to be a U.S. ally. Obama's weakness must be very encouraging to the Iranians.

In the final analysis I would expect Israel to act in it's own self-interest regardless of world opinion, which is usually against them anyway. The question is: Whose interest is served by seeing what could amount to major oil disruptions should a conflict arise between Israel and Iran with the potential for a nuclear exchange?
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 3:56 PM Gray Ghost writes:

To All Who Have Commented....

from 05/07/09 until today:

I have been on the road on my work (Louisiana and Mississippi) almost constantly since 05/07/09 and haven't been able to answer.

I apologize.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 3:59 PM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

What do you think it will take to start an uprising in Iran?

As of today, Iran has placed air defense missiles on the Persian Gulf and in Western Iran. It is obvious they are expecting an air asault from Israel.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:16 PM Gray Ghost writes:

INTHENOW

"If the Iranians are indeed saber rattling for world consumption, then that only works in Israel’s favor for preemption. No doubt the Mossad is trying to discern fact from hyperbole."

I believe BrianR (and it makes sense looking at the situation logically) that the Iranian people for the most part do not want war with Israel. But the Iranian ruling elites either do want war or they are trying to be "perceived" as the "power" in the Middle East by their Muslim neighbors.

However, I don't think it works in Israel's favor for a preempted srike on Iran. Face it, Israel will be condemned what ever she does.

BTW, I believe the Mossad has already figured out what the Mossad "thinks" will actually happen. Whether the Mossad is correct or not, only God knows. But give Israel her due, once she decides what to do, the Israeli military will try to do it.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:19 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Mrs. AL

My thanks for your kind comments. There are people who have commented here who could be working for the state dept. or US military.

I too am "always learning".
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:26 PM BrianR writes:

Ghost


First, let me clarify something. IMO, if Israel DOES launch a preemptive strike, they'd be acting in their own national interest as they see fit, and I for one would have no problem with it.

Even though I think Iran's big on fairly meaningless saber-rattling, I wouldn't want to bank my country on that if I were Israel.

See, the problem is that the flip side of the Islamic ME mentality is that if saber-rattling isn't answered strongly, that's perceived as weakness, which is to be exploited. So, the moves just keep getting bigger and bolder.

That's one of the reasons Westerners have so much difficulty in dealing effectively with ME Islamics; it's a completely different way of thinking, based on the cultural roots of the area.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" originated there as a saying.

As to a popular uprising in Iran: very hard to say. It would be incredibly bloody, as the government owns all the guns, with huge casualties. Iranians are lousy fighters, frankly. They don't have the temperament for it, nor the skills, nor frankly the will.

I can see an uprising if Israel DID attack and inflict significant damage. But that could also go the other way, with such an attack cementing some loyalty to the ayatollahs.

The middle class is expanding, and that's important and will have its impact over time. The lower classes -- who are uneducated and more prone to follow blindly the "teachings" of the mullahs -- are really the power base of the clerics.

I know that's a non-answer answer, but at the moment it's the best I can come up with.

The place is a mess, frankly. The adjective "Byzantine" originated to describe conditions in the ME.

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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:27 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Boaz, Since Natanz Is Located...

just about in the center of Iran, it is entirely possible that a low-radioactive yield nuke strike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility will have a small "fallout plume" and only effect Iran.

Slag City works for me; although the history that could be destroyed or "placed off limits" for several decades saddens me.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:27 PM drpete writes:

I know nothing useful vis-a-vis this

situation. Thanks Gray Ghost for the post, and thank you one and all for the discussion you've been having. Like Mrs. AL, I've learned much.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:30 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Sgt Relic

"The question is: Whose interest is served by seeing what could amount to major oil disruptions should a conflict arise between Israel and Iran with the potential for a nuclear exchange?"

Sarge, have you noticed that Israel is starting to drill for oil? The Jerusalem Post has an article about it.

This could fit into your above comment.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:42 PM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

I appreciate your thoughts. If I read you correctly, Israel is on their own. The Iranian "middle class" does not have the "power" or the "will" to succeed in an up-rising.

As you correctly stated, the poor will follow the Iranian religious leaders. The Iranian military (such as it is) will ALSO follow the religious leaders. Both of these groups (the poor and the military) are really no different than any other Middle Eastern muslim country.

Surely Israel knows what you just described (and what I just repeated of yours). Therefore, I will go out on a "limb" and say that Israel will make a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities within the next year. Frankly if I were Israel, I would make the strike some time within the next two months, before Middle Eastern weather conditions become a REAL problem.

My strike would include at least one low-yield nuclear weapon to completely destroy the Natanz Nuclear Facility.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 4:47 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Drpete

Thanks for stopping by and thanks for your kind words.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 7:28 PM BrianR writes:

Hmmm.....


The use by Israel of any kind of nuke on Iran would have HUGE ramifications on its relations with the rest of the region.

Right now, in spite of some grumblings for public consumption to the contrary, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, the Emirates, Kuwait... all are pretty much not interested in fooling around with Israel. Kind of a "don't bug me, and I won't bug you" detente.

But nuking Iran? Iran would be the instant victim in the area, and the other countries would be virtually FORCED to coalesce around Iran if that happened.

Further, Israel's our de facto surrogate. Obambi's no friend of Israel, and everyone knows it. If they nuked Iran, I think he'd throw them off the troika faster than corn can pop.

That would leave them without any allies.

Big problem.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 7:32 PM BrianR writes:

From a technical aspect

as well as political, they'd be better off using an air/fuel aerosol device.

Still a massive yield, but without the political baggage.

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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 7:35 PM Ray writes:

Ghost

Have to agree with Brian on the threat to Israel by Iran, I don't look for a unilateral act by Iran, there is a need for their actions to be acceptable to other ME regimes and as much as they each savor the idea of Israel being referred to in the past tense they also understand it must be at least masked in justification. Transparent as that may be.

The problem, I think, will develop as a result of a conflict between Isreal and some third party that Iran can justify coming to the aid of, preferably when the third party is well on the ropes. Iran issues a statement insisting Israel must desist along with some demands Israel will be understood to never accept, although "world opinion" will view as reasonable. I don't think there will be any direct threat of the use of these weapons tied to the demands, but once Israel predictably snubs them the fit will hit the shan.

The Iranians can claim they could not simply stand by and watch the destruction wrought by Israel and being the power in the region were obligated to... yak yak yak. This allows others in the region to express how regretable the situation was allowed to become, they will point out to "the world" how agressive Israel has become, had the Israelis simply listened to the "rest of the world" this tragedy could have been averted...yak yak yak.


And Mr. Obama will make a speech apologizing to "the world" for America developing nuclear weapons in the 1940's and unleashing them on humanity.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 8:16 PM Neocon_Slayer writes:

I've no doubt that Americans will kiss

more Israeli-asz, no matter what happens.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 8:25 PM Ray writes:

As to a preemptive...

...strike. I'm thinking Israel should have pulled that off 6-7 months ago, a year would have been better. It's my opinion, for what little it's worth, that the current administration would use any excuse to justify cooling our relationship with Israel considerably and any preemptive strike now would give them the cover they are looking for.

To Israel's credit I'm not sure how much this will figure in their defensive thinking, they must surely realize their standing in DC is greatly deminished and may feel there is little to be lost by such an action.

Past the political are the logistics involved in a strike, a fast look at the map shows that geographically this presents a challenge even were there an ally handy to lend assistance, covert as that may be, say simply a short interference of specific frequencies at an opportune time.

This would be no fast cross border dash, even as the crow flies it is a formidable distance, much over "neutral" airspace. That in itself is going to ruffle some feathers.

Also it's hard to have suprise on your side when there is a history involved. Ain't like Israel has been shown bashful about doing these things in the past.
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Tuesday, May, 12, 2009 11:15 PM BrianR writes:

Ray


You: "The problem, I think, will develop as a result of a conflict between Isreal and some third party that Iran can justify coming to the aid of, preferably when the third party is well on the ropes."

Yeah, great point!

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Wednesday, May, 13, 2009 10:02 AM Ray writes:

Couple of other...

...quick things, then I'll stop pestering you.

If Iran does, God forbid unleash something like this, do not expect to hear the indignant cry from "the world" about Iran's disproportionate use of force that has been leveled at Israel recently.

Secondly I am not sure what Israel's response might be, I know what we all say their reaction would be, but I'm not convinced the Iraelis are commited to burning an entire cities population even as a response to the same. A tactical weapon against an armored column or stopping an Army corps at a bottle neck to keep Telaviv from being overrun, these scenerios I can see.

What I don't see is that even though the generation who survived the Holocaust are all but gone now and for nearly every Iraeli that is now a part of history and not first hand memory, despite this the Showers & Ovens are so ingrained in their collective mind that the idea of visiting a similar horror upon the citizenary of even a beligerent nation would be something they would be loath to do.

Also, we have become a nation who considers prosecuting their own for waterboarding people responsible for the decapitation of our countrymen, I am convinced this administration would not use an "in kind" response even if Denver or Los Angeles were to go up in a cloud much less Israel. I am equally convinced this is understood in other corners. There's no need in being the town bully, but if you don't show the willingness to do some unpleasent things when cornerd you're going to get punked.
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Wednesday, May, 13, 2009 12:09 PM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

"That would leave them without any allies."

Yes, but can they count on Obama for anything anyway?

Israel watched Obama's visits with the Saudi royalty and his "kumbaya" speeches to some of the other muslim countries of the region. I believe they saw what I saw. Obama is a "jack" muslim. ("Jack" being the word I have always heard Mormans use to describe those Mormans who are not strong nor active in the Morman religion.)

I believe Israel knows there will be no help from Obama, even if Tel Aviv is nuked by Iran.

Therefore, I still think Israel HAS to preempt.

Your statement, "From a technical aspect
as well as political, they'd be better off using an air/fuel aerosol device," has merit. I don't know that much about this type of weapons system. What would be its effect on a hardened, underground target?
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Wednesday, May, 13, 2009 12:29 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Ray

"Third Party" equals Lebanon or the Gaza Strip or etc.?

Very good point; but doesn't this possible future action by Iran give even more strength to Israel going "preemptive"?

As you said, "To Israel's credit I'm not sure how much this will figure in their defensive thinking, they must surely realize their standing in DC is greatly deminished and may feel there is little to be lost by such an action." Why worry about the US, Obama is no help anyway.

Up until Bibi was elected, the leadership of Israel did not have the will to attack Iran. That knocks out action from 6 months to a year ago.

As to the logistatics to a strike on Iran, you have a point. But I believe that these problems can be over come. But personally, I wouldn't use my air force, the flight would be too far to get to Iran without crossing neutral air space.

That only leaves the Israeli Navy. Getting their corvettes, missile boats, and subs to the Persian Gulf without detection would be tough.
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Wednesday, May, 13, 2009 12:33 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Ray

BTW, you are not "pestering me". Your are commenting, debating, and speaking with logic and intelligence (just as BrianR is doing).

Whether or not I agree or disagree, in no way are you "pestering" me.
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Wednesday, May, 13, 2009 12:42 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Conservatism Is Dead = Brain Dead

"I've no doubt that Americans will kiss
more Israeli-asz, no matter what happens."

Quite frankly, I consider your remarks tasteless and stupid, bordering on "Liberal/Socialist Talking Points". The US and Israel have many ties, going back many years. If you don't like that, then get elected and change it.

Personally, I pick my friends according to whether or not I can trust them. For the last 100 years, that has meant that we have had a small number of allies, including Great Britian, Australia/New Zealand, and a few others. This list of friends and allies includes Israel.
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Thursday, May, 14, 2009 1:31 AM BrianR writes:

Ghost


That is the question now: Obambi.

But he seems to be turning intro Dubya faster than a speeding bullet nowdays on defense. No release of Abu Ghraib pics is today's flip-flop.

BTW, new one up at my place. Shameless plug!
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Thursday, May, 14, 2009 8:33 AM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

A slight disagreement. I believe O'Vomit is worse than Bush43. In simple terms, I believe Bush43 loved the USA, even if he was mistaken in his governing.

O'Vomit "hates" the USA and "loves" himself in a sickly manner.

That is all the difference in the world.

Be by shortly.
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Thursday, May, 14, 2009 9:33 AM Ray writes:

Ghost & Brian

Brian,
The only reason I believe Mr. Obama changed his stance on those pictures is that someone brought up that #1 The pictures would both inflame more hatered for the US which would put Americans at grave risk and #2 One of the results of #1 would be a slide in his approval. It was the latter much more than the former which drove his decision.

Whoever that "someone" was who talked Obama down on this must surely be the loneliest man in DC, good sense and judgement being in such short supply (and demand) in that town these days.

Ghost:
Must disagree on the assertion that Mr. Obama "hates" America. My opinion is that he is indifferent and detacthed, he views himself as more a "Citizen of The World" and I believe he sees his calling as: Changing the World One Country At A Time.

Birth certificate not withstanding, and personally I prefer not beating that mule, but his upbringing outside our borders did not include anything which would instill an American national identity. I have known many people raised in various regions but were still able to identify with their home country. He however seems to not have been exposed to this, even his time in Hawaii seems to have been spent more as a novelty than participant.

As another note on this, I find it rather curious that he spent so much of his younger and formative years in Indonesia yet claims to not know a second language. I have yet to meet anyone in that similar situation who as a child did not pick up even a smattering of the local language.
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Thursday, May, 14, 2009 12:09 PM BrianR writes:

Sarge, Ray


Yeah, I didn't mean to convey that Bush was as bad as Obambi; bad as Bush was, Obambi's worse.

My point, though, was that policy-wise... he ain't changing much!

He's already flip-flopped on pulling out of Iraq. Building UP in Afghanistan. He's NOT releasing the Gitmo prisoners. He's not even closing Gitmo!

On and on and on.
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Thursday, May, 14, 2009 12:10 PM BrianR writes:

Wrote "Sarge"


Meant "Ghost".

Sorry about that. Brain fart.

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Thursday, May, 14, 2009 4:42 PM Ray writes:

So Brian, you're saying...

...all those folks who voted for "Change" and against "Business As Usual", and "No McBush", all those stooges, uh...that is...fine informed voters, they all got snookered?


Nooooo, say it ain't so.
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Friday, May, 15, 2009 7:57 AM Sgt Relic writes:

Brian, Ghost

Brian - I quite agree that Obama is either confirming or adopting Bush policy on a near daily basis. In fact, the rhetoric over not releasing the pictures is the same argument republicans used when democrats demanded Abu Ghraib pictures be released. Today he's imitating us!! HaHaHa!

“We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”

Here's a link to the full text:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJsSb4q tILhg&refer=worldwide

Ghost - Slightly off topic with this one but as an EE you might appreciate the speech given by one of your colleagues to Utah State concerning AGW and energy markets. Here's a link:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/14/now-thats-a-commencem ent-speech/#more-7841
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Friday, May, 15, 2009 11:12 AM BrianR writes:

Ray, I know... and Sarge


Shocking, isn't it? Who'da thunk it?

LOL


Sarge, Obambi's imitating Bush, McLib was imitating Obambi....

Getting hard to tell the players apart without a scorecard!

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Friday, May, 15, 2009 3:17 PM skep41 writes:

frightening

Which side of this are the Obamunists on? Will their inability to act let a nuclear war erupt? How can these idiots be so cavalier with our national security? The Israeli's dont have any choice but the odds are long. I'm reminded that in WW2 the Allies raided the Nazi rocket research center at Peenemunde. The persons, homes and families of the rocket scientists were targeted. The Israelis should do the same to this crowd.
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Friday, May, 15, 2009 5:13 PM Patrick Bohan writes:

Thanks!

Thank You for stopping by my site and I appreciate your comments. It must have been great to work with Jack Welsh. It is really sad how far our corporate and government leadership has diminished over the years. I spent 21 years at Texas Instruments. I have been very impressed with the townhall sites of the Bobbie clan.

If Isreal does not take on Iran, no one else will do it. I know Obama does not have the mental toughness to take on this fight.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 8:51 AM davecatbone writes:

Ghost

Bibi won't let a nuclear armed Iran stand IMO. The man will fight to keep Isreal alive. And half measures like aerosol weapons won't suffice. He's going to deal with the threat once and for all IMO. Obama won't do it, and Netanyahu won't care what the rest of the world thinks. This is survival. Pray.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 8:58 AM Neotrotsky writes:

War

At least Israel is not ashamed to defend itself
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 9:46 PM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR (Brain Fart!)

Isn't it embarrassing when they occur?

It happens all the time with me.

(BTW, I think I knew your opinion on Bush43 vs. O'Vomit. I was teasing more than disagreeing.)
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 9:49 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Ray

"he views himself as more a "Citizen of The World" and I believe he sees his calling as: Changing the World One Country At A Time."

Perhaps. But if he is a "citizen of the world", I believe he believes it is a Muslim world.

Many of his actions are in line with such a belief.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 9:53 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Sgt Relic

I read the article from my fellow EE in Utah. He sure made alot of sense. Will anyone listen?

Sadly, I must say no to that question. Politicians believe they know what is best for all of us. Until we get rid of all professional politicians we will still get the type of decisions that are hindering our country.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 9:58 PM Gray Ghost writes:

skep41

Years ago, my cousin worked at Huntsville, AL at the Redstone Arsenal. I visited her there and she introduced me to Werner Von Braum (No Lie!). The 3 of us did coffee and the talk went to Von Braum's time in the Nazi weapons program.

"The persons, homes and families of the rocket scientists were targeted. The Israelis should do the same to this crowd."

Von Braum would have agreed with you from what he told me so long ago over coffee.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 10:01 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Patrick Bohan

Thanks for stopping by.

"If Isreal does not take on Iran, no one else will do it. I know Obama does not have the mental toughness to take on this fight."

I just hope that Israel can succeed. The odds, militarily, are very long.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 10:05 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Comrade Neotrotsky!

Israel is not ashamed to defend herself; but the odds are totally against her being successful. Unless she uses a nuke, I don't see how the facilities at Natanz can be destroyed using conventional weapons.

If the Natanz Facility isn't completely destroyed, Israel has accomplished nothing.
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Saturday, May, 16, 2009 10:10 PM Gray Ghost writes:

davecat

"And half measures like aerosol weapons won't suffice. He's going to deal with the threat once and for all IMO. Obama won't do it, and Netanyahu won't care what the rest of the world thinks. This is survival. Pray."

I am davecat (praying that is). The odds are long against Israel being successful. And the effect of Israel "hitting" Iran with either conventional or nuclear weapons could start a "domino" effect.
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Sunday, May, 17, 2009 7:23 AM Sgt Relic writes:

Ghost

The Questar CEO made a lot of good points but, IMO, none better than calling the political debate over. The tail is waging the dog.

During WWII it was science that came to government and said we think we can build a really scary bomb, not the other way around.

Science operates under a set of laws that can't be lawyered by politicians.
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Sunday, May, 17, 2009 12:10 PM davecatbone writes:

Ghost

I completely agree. Yet, Israel is up against the wall, are they not? Will they submit to another holocaust as the Iranians promise? This is grim, indeed.
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Monday, May, 18, 2009 11:41 AM Ray writes:

Ghost

You said, "...he believes it is a Muslim world.

Many of his actions are in line with such a belief."

Can't say as I disagree much here. This is an extremely deceptive man, as many (or at least some) of The Faithful are beginning to realize.
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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 4:34 PM Gar Swaffar writes:

GrayGhost & Dave

Truly, airburst wepaons will not get the job done. The bunkers are just to deep for that.
Ray re:..a very deceptive man.
That is one of politest ways of putting it I've seen from either side recently.
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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 5:50 PM TheAdjuster writes:

Israile Air Defense

Very interesting. I would not, however, count the Israili's out. They have a more defense minded Prime Minister now and they have frequently demonstrated what happens to their enemies when they get pushed too far.

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Sunday, May, 24, 2009 9:40 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Gordon

Thanks for stopping by.

The Israeli Military is very good at doing the "seemingly impossible". I am scared that this type of action goes way beyond that.

My prayers are with the Israelis. They will need all the help they can get.
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Wednesday, May, 27, 2009 3:03 PM Jesse "The Mind" Norman writes:

Gray Ghost

Sorry for not reading your posts for a while. Been away. Israel realizes that they will have to go with this attack on their own. They cannot allow Iran to have nuclear weapons and Iran will not stop trying to acquire them. The only question is when will Israel commence this attack and what Iran will do in retaliation. The world will blame Israel again. That's what it does. Usually though our country has their backs. Not anymore. Israel is isolated and I'm quite sure Middle East terrorists and regimes know it.
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Friday, May, 29, 2009 1:16 AM BrianR writes:

Ghost


New one up at my blog, on one of my favorite topics.


BTW... where ya been?
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Tuesday, June, 02, 2009 5:49 PM Mrs. AL (Always Learning) writes:

Gray Ghost

Israel prepares for war with Iran and I am preparing for war with these pine cones in D.C. (metaphorically speaking that is).

Trust all is well.
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Wednesday, June, 03, 2009 6:08 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Mrs. AL

I have been swamped with work. Projects in Port Gibson, Moorhead, Oxford, Yazoo City, and Clarksdale, MS. I even got two more small projects in the last 3 days. I have never had this much work. Never.

I didn't even mention my solar project in Missisippi and Louisiana. I am also in the process of getting my PE license in Louisiana. (I already have a PE license in Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Alabama.)

Like you , I am waiting for Israel to "hit" Iran. Israel cannot trust that the minute Iran has a nuke that they don't sell or give it to a terrorist group.

As for our "thugs" in DC, I too am waiting to see it start. Perhaps one of the federally closed Republican Chrysler dealers will go ballistic. Perhaps it will be another extreme "ring-winger" like the one who shot Tiller. But the sense I am getting is that people are getting angrier and angrier.
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Friday, June, 05, 2009 1:51 AM BrianR writes:

Ghost


Just put up another one at my place. C'moooooooon down!

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Tuesday, June, 09, 2009 4:06 PM crossbow writes:

Ghost

you are 100% right-Israel will not hesitate to defend itsself-and the goons that run Iran make Htler look like a sunday school teacher-we got to pray hard!
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Wednesday, June, 10, 2009 10:58 PM Jim writes:

2 Words

Powder Keg
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Thursday, June, 11, 2009 12:33 PM BrianR writes:

Ghost


I just posted a new "weinie alert" (GOP smackdown) at my place.

Just when you think they can't be any worse, you're proven wrong.... every time.

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Thursday, June, 11, 2009 11:14 PM Gray Ghost writes:

crossbow

Agreed, Israel needs all the help she can get. O'Vomit has completely abandoned her.
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Thursday, June, 11, 2009 11:15 PM Gray Ghost writes:

Jim

Thanks for stopping by.

Even the term "powder keg" doesn't do this justice.
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Thursday, June, 11, 2009 11:16 PM Gray Ghost writes:

BrianR

I will be by in a minute.
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Wednesday, June, 17, 2009 7:34 AM Mrs. Paddy writes:

Hi Gray Ghost

Thanks for dropping by my blog. I'm glad you enjoyed the latest parody.

As far as your post here...all I can say is it sure is the wrong time for us to stand down on our missle defense developement huh? But, that's what they decided to do this week.

Obama is gonna get us and the rest of the world killed.
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Wednesday, June, 17, 2009 9:01 AM Jason writes:

Gray Ghost

Israel will perservere and win. If they go to war ....they will win. It may not look like it at times, but they have gotten this far in life...and they have the almighty on their side.

Hold on to your hats.

Great job!!
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Wednesday, June, 17, 2009 9:03 AM Gray Ghost writes:

Mrs. Paddy

You have a point. Living in Mississippi, my only hope is the Iranians try for New York City and/or Washington DC; while, the North Koreans try for Los Angeles.

Some hope, uh? It is sad when all I can hope for is the destruction of cities far from my home state.

O'Vomit is so much the "rookie" and is so "bought and paid for" by those who would want to see America destroyed that words cannot describe my fear and saddness. All we can do is to try to make the 2010 elections reverse the process.
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Wednesday, June, 17, 2009 9:06 AM Gray Ghost writes:

Jason

You posted while I was answering Mrs. Paddy. Yes, I believe that even though the Jews are no longer "God's Chosen People" (now Christians are) there is still a relationship there.

You are correct in one thing, hold on to your seats. This thing is going into extra innings.
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