Homosexual = Black? I Don't Think So

WELCOME, sir, to TownHall.

Don't feel so alone in Irwindale, I am in Hesperia, near Victorville, only a few thousand feet farther from LA and SinFran than you are.

It is a cruel world, no? Hehehe..

Well thought out and written posts, thanks for that.
Glenn Flowers

Insofar as "marriage" means the legal contract, here is the problem:

Let's say I'm a guy and I want to get married. Now, is it the government's business whom I marry? But you're saying it is and that the other person would have to be a woman. So my question would be this: is it that there must be one, but no more than one, Y chromosome in a marriage...or is it that there should be one, but no more than one 'package' per marriage?

Because if it's Y chromosomes you care about...then I can't marry Jammie Lee Curtis or any other woman who is XY. But if you mean 'packages'...then I can marry a man as long as he has a sex-change operation first.

Remind me again why the government cares what's in the underwear or dna of someone who signs a contract with me! Come on!

Your argument -- and that of many homosexual advocates -- that government shouldn't interfere tends to bounce back on you: to my knowledge, heterosexuals never just decided one day to lobby the government to regulate marriage against homosexuals (or polygamists, etc.); we simply responded to those who FIRST tried to bend government to their cause: homosexuals. Likewise, I never peeked into any person's bedroom; homosexuals brought their bedrooms onto their front lawns for everyone to see, then asked us all to approve of their behavior. Perhaps homosexuals expected an easy ride to acceptance in this "age of tolerance" in which we unfortunately find ourselves, especially here in California where homosexuals are apparently "shocked" that the majority still hold to the proper notion of what constitutes marriage. Marriage has its roots in religion -- in the Judeo-Christian tradition, to be precise -- and government probably should never have gotten involved in the business of human relationships, though I can see some merit in government "keeping track of" marriages for purely administrative purposes. But marriage isn't a civil right, human sexuality isn't addressed at all in our Founding Documents (which is why Roe v. Wade is such a joke), and homosexuals have the same freedom as I to pursue whatever relationship(s) they want ... but they shouldn't be asking the rest of us to approve of something we clearly DISapprove of.

I can't help but note that you have not answered the question I pose.

If I can't marry a man, then define "man." What makes a man a man? Is it his wang-doodle or his Y chromosome? Should I be able to marry Jammie Lee Curtis who is XY? Should I be able to marry a man who had a sex change?

And please make a coherent arguement justifying you definition of what makes a man and explain this definition as it relates to the basis for Proposition 8. Cause I ain't seein it.

Thank you for the warm welcome.

There were so many questions; sorry I missed this one ...

As I said, I'm no scientist, but I presume that there aren't many guys who are genetically male yet have no ***** (this site won't let me use the word for male genitalia). For those who exist, I guess I'd say that anyone born genetically male is a male. As to the issue of sex changes, you're getting into another topic of discussion (specifically, whether sex changes are morally right). Sex changes cause a lot of confusion for a lot of people -- should a guy marry a "girl" who's really a guy? and vice versa -- which is one major reason why, in my opinion, they're wrong. I guess I'm of the opinion that a "girl" who "was" a guy is really a guy, and that a "guy" who "was" a girl is really a girl, and as it relates to Prop 8, anyone who's gone through a sex change shouldn't be allowed to marry, because they're actually (in my opinion) marrying someone of the same gender. That explanation may not be scientific enough for you, or coherent enough, but there it is in layman's terms.

I rest my case regarding Joel. Anyone who needs to have "being a man" defined because "he just ain't seein' it", well, I'll just rest my case with that.

(this is hilarious...)

Glenn

"Arrogance and ignorance go in hand."

--Metallica