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Comment on: "one eighty"

Hillary Can't Win, But Bill Can.

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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 1:05 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 1:28 PM Sheila writes:

Jimmy

:
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Silence is golden...one of my favorite songs...:)


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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 1:40 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Hey Sheila...

..yer response made me laugh.....good job!

Now, down to business....

"...only we are now liviing the nightmare of their[Clintons] failed first presidency, ie, the WOT."


That's not correct. Terrorism has been Here long before the clintons ever were. Now, You could be correct in mentioning their unwillingness to address it. But they shouldn't be blamed for it.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 2:49 PM Sheila writes:

Jimmy :-)

LOL!

Yeah, I was referring to the lost opportunities to get UBL, and the lack of attetnion to the first attack on the WTC, and the other attacks that occured during his soap opera in the WH...I think your name sake did most of the damage innitially...agreed?

The point is...if Slick had been attending to the "gathering threat", rather than checking out the interns things might have been different here.His third term will be a disaster as well...:)I know technically Hill would be "the man", but in actuality it would be Bill's third term, in a co-presidency.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 2:52 PM Sheila writes:

And Btw, Jimmy

I think we were dealing with terror on the high seas back in the early days of our country...so in essence you could say it started way back then...
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 3:21 PM Sanity102 writes:

And when the golden couple

gets sworn in for another 8 years...let us comfort ownselves with the knowledge that:

Miers did not get appointed to the SCOTUS

The Ports are run by Chinese and a whole bunch of foreigners but NOT by the only Islamic nation that is financially friendly to the United States

And of course the biggie...that we have the SAME unenforceable illegal immigration laws that Reagan gave us and that Newt's Congress NEVER even tried to correct.

Let us give thanks to the "principled" but not too bright Conservatives media and their minions who spoke for the base.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 3:36 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

I gotta do it..

....Hey "Sanity"

Do you negotiate with your husband about with whom can hop in the sack? Or is fidelity an unwavering principle?

Also, do you know ANYBODY with an unwavering principle? Just curious.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 3:38 PM Sheila writes:

Sanity

"The golden couple"...ha...more like the golden boy, and his third term...Hillary can't make it on her own...:)
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 6:15 PM jevica writes:

Shelia

Do you think that Hillary will let Bill have any real power if she gets elected?

Yah he let her run with the failed health care scam.

She's the real Socialist.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 6:55 PM Sheila writes:

Well Jevica

She can't get to the WH without him...she is a diehard socialist, no question...but he's the one that gets the cooperation, the money, etc...he's the "star" power behind her. The only reason he came off as he did was the republican congress that kept him in check.

And they will have all the same players from their first admin there again, including Burgler...it will not be a good thing for the country or the world.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 7:09 PM BrianR writes:

Giuliani/Clinton

A wash.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 7:12 PM BrianR writes:

BTW, Sheila

I answered your post at my place.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 10:22 PM Sanity102 writes:

JC

Oh sure, people of principle INCLUDE things like "loyalty" and "support" and it's not selective either.

The twisting of words is a Liberal deal...like not really having sex...and I supported something before I was against it. They don't claim that the WOT is the most important thing...and then let a talk show host's remarks that a 4 to 8 year NO FIGHTING THE WOT is "needed" slide.

Just curious JC...are you going to take any responsibility when the 3 powers of government is in the hands of the party that will STOP fighting the WOT?

Or will you actually be happy about it?




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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 10:26 PM Sanity102 writes:

Oh and JC...

people of "principle" don't have to have that word defined for them...or "amnesty"...or "support"...or have "1 or 2 cycles" explained.

People of "principle" don't play word games.
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 10:28 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Hey Sanity..

...do you know ANYBODY with an unwavering principle?
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Sunday, July, 22, 2007 10:57 PM marie writes:

I agree with

Doc Steech - no way is Hillary capable of winning the general.
I am probably a despised "lib" - BUT have a few basic standards!!!!! She's bought and owned by the same globalist thugs who support NAFTA/NAU/Dubya. Billy is a rapist and a bought/paid-for quisling.

"Bush managed to rescue the country from the ravages of the co-presidency and it's failure to handle the gathering threat, and his policies have kept our country safe, "

Here I disagree with you completely - Bush has managed to nearly destroy our Constitution and Democracy on the pretense of establishing Democracy(?) elsewhere. Where are our borders? our Bill of Rights? What has kept our Country safe and our Democracy slightly alive is our people. I am not saying Clinton wasn't a disaster - at least a conservative (Republican) congress kept him in check - what on earth is controlling Bush? A farce of a Congress?

I truly believe 'we the people' are angry and fed up enough to force OUR government to be answerable to us and not only big money interests.
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Monday, July, 23, 2007 12:08 AM BrianR writes:

LOL, JC

Having fun yet?
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Monday, July, 23, 2007 12:19 AM Jimmy Carter writes:

I know Brian..

....check out My response to jevica over at My place....I've been sucked into it again.....somebody, please get Me a comment preserver before I drown......
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Monday, July, 23, 2007 9:48 AM BrianR writes:

I've said it before

and I'll say it again.

Any party whose big selling point is the slogan "hey, the other guy's even worse than we are!" is in sad shape, and doesn't stand for a damned thing.

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Monday, July, 23, 2007 5:35 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Hillary won't win, you are right

If she's president, Bill won.

The jerk...
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Monday, July, 23, 2007 8:08 PM Scottie writes:

The Battle of the Spouses

Edwards wife vs. Hillary's husband. Apparently the candidates themselves have less to say and less charisma than their spouses. What a party.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:08 AM Sheila writes:

Hey guys, thanks for stopping by!

Sorry I haven't been able to respond.

I'll have to add my two cents...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:16 AM Sheila writes:

Brian

I think I've seen that comment before, and of course I have to respectively disagree...

There is a huge dif in Hill and Rudy...though I haven't endorsed a candidate yet...I have to say he would be very strong on the WOT, where Hill would have no credibility with the troops, or with me, and millions who have no respect for her as I don't. She has been a cheat her entire life, and to have a crook in that position, would be bad for the country and very bad for the troops.

And that's just for starters...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:17 AM Sheila writes:

And Brian,

I'll be over to your place shortly...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:23 AM Sheila writes:

Doc Steech

I trust your political insight...I'm counting on you being right! LOL

I have sent in some contributions to the "swiftboat" cause, and it will be great to see them expose her for what she is!

Howevwer, I will stick to my point in this piece...she wouldn't be where she is today without Slick, and she would never win the WH without him...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:34 AM Sheila writes:

Marie

Thanks for the comment, though of course I disagree with your statement about Bush...:)

He hasn't destroyed the Constitution, I believe he has upheld his Constitutional duty as Commander in Chief to defend the country and I am extremely grateful for his courage in the face of very serious and dangerous times for our country...

I agree that it's the people that make the country work, but as a strong leader, and with his policies like the Patriot Act, and surveilance of potential terrorists, plots have been stopped before they occured, and as a result we have been safe since 9-11.

Sorry to disagree, but I couldn't disagree more on this. Not one of my "rights" has been infringed upon...to the contrary, they have been defended by the brave troops giving their lives to defend our land from attack by those who want to take my rights, and yours away.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:38 AM Sheila writes:

And Doc

Don't forget Bush isn't running...:) he will be "gone" in 08, and we need to concentrate I believe, on the future victory for the good guys who are on our side.

I for one am going to concentrate on beating the opposition!
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:44 AM Sheila writes:

Also Brian

You have the wrong slogan for our side...we are the side who has the good guys, and I think it's time to look toward the future and working for a victory in 08, and getting as many conservatives elected as possible, so we can get something done. We won't get a thing we want with the dems in power.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:47 AM Sheila writes:

V Daddy

Amen Bro!

It would be pathetic to have the cheat and his bride back in the WH to continue their soap opera at the expense of America...no republican could get away with being impeached and then wind up back in the WH with his wife as Commander in Chief...think about it.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:57 AM Sheila writes:

Scottie

Couldn't have said it better myself! LOL

The Breck Girl would be the first "woman" president according to a top leftwing feminist, and Hill's husband was the first "black" president, according to the black leftwing civil rights leaders...would that make Hill the first REAL man president?

These people are nutty...can't see any of them as Commander in Chief can you?

Maybe on Saturday Night Live... but not in my White House!

Btw, any bets on whether or not Hill had a facelift? She looked extremely youthful tonight on the Youtube show...or maybe it's botox...:)any bets?
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 10:38 AM BrianR writes:

Well, Sheila

If the Devil promised to be strong on the WOT, he have your vote, too?

Big deal. I'm concerned about a whole lot more than that. Like my rights as an American, and what this country actually stands for.

Also, sorry, but the motto I quoted is exactly -- EXACTLY -- your whole justification for voting GOP. That's exactly your whole argument, in your essay and your comments: "the other guys are worse".

That's no argument at all, and is precisely what's got this country into the fix it finds itself.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:01 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

I still think

There's some truth to both sides of ya'll's ongoing debate.

Brian is right to say that sacrificing our values for the sake of wins is dangerous.

However, Sheila is right to say we can't do anything without folks in a position to enact or platform, and that the opportunity cost is huge.

Both want the same thing, a conservative majority, but advocate a different way to get there. Somehow, we need to come together to work for that goal.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:18 PM wil writes:

If Hillary Wins

She will give Bill a cabinet post, like Sec of State. Can you imagine him with a woman in every capital city, feeling the pain of Iran and Hezbollah?
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:20 PM wil writes:

If Newt is Nominated Doc

I think he goes out of the loop for a running mate, like Santorum, JC Watts, or someone military
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 1:33 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Another thought on the debate...

It is my belief that we must protect our principles first. If we sacrifice those for wins, we are in trouble. And I think also that by celebrating and pushing those values, we will win, and we will gain the majority we need. This has proven itself more than once...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:04 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

Sorry, the "Devil" ain't on our side...we may have a few not so perfect people, but the true danger to the country is letting the lefties take over.

Ask Al Qaida who they are rooting for...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:15 PM Sheila writes:

V Daddy

In my opinion we can't afford to lose to the party Al Qaida is hoping will win.

The "debate" last night made it crystal clear who they are.

If we continue to knock our party and president we will send voters to the dems.

In the last election we lost good conservatives. That doesn't help our cause.

We need to praise the accomplishments, and let our voices be heard on things we don't like, but not be so negative about everything...I just don't believe in giving the enemy of the country a leg up because we may not agree with a few people on our side on every single issue.

The dems could care less what we want, and they are against everything we believe in.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:23 PM Sheila writes:

wil

Yeah, this is a dangerous time to have those jokers running things...what republican could have ever pulled this off...being impeached, and going back to the WH as first man... where's the aspirin...think I'm getting a headache...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:25 PM Sheila writes:

Wil

Do you think Newt could get the nomination? I'm not so sure...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:25 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Sheila

Yes, you are right.

I agree, but for instance there is a growing population of Republicans who are growing sour on the war. On that issue, what's the difference if there's an R or a D next to their name if they are looking to pull the troops? They both want to pull the troops. We need to get folks who think we should stay.

Sure those with R's next to their names beleive more of what we do, but we need to be sure they, as individuals, actually do represent conservative values.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:39 PM Sheila writes:

Doc

Interesting thoughts about Newt...could he get elected with the MSM bringing up all his past mistakes?

It would be a major challenge...remember what theye did to him before?
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 2:42 PM Sheila writes:

V Daddy

I guess their constituents will have to decide...not much we can do if we don't live in their states...if there are good conservatives running against them who can win, then that would be the answer...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 4:09 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Sheila

Yes, we can really only rely on the votes of those who are outside of our locales, and do our part in our won. But one thing we can do about the votes of others is to tell them why they should vote conservative before they vote republican.

The two are similar, but are not the same, as you know.

To me, this is what we need to do...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 4:33 PM BrianR writes:

Sheila, I'll make this real plain

because you obviously haven't been getting it:

The Lefties are in the GOP, too! Like Giuliani. Like McCain. And these are "front-runner" presidential candidates.

I don't know how I can state this any clearer.

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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 4:41 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Doc

newt is brilliant, no doubt, but I think he will be too crass (at least come accross as) to the general public.

As much as I like him philosophically, I can't see him as a viable candidate.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 4:54 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Sheila

I like what you are saying, and it needs to be said. We need to excited about our party, if its the vehicle to get our values enacted.

If its not, we need to perhaps redo our ride or catch another bus.

Voting "R" is great if the "R" is indeed conservative.

Remember, I do not think conservatism will die, but we must choose what the best way to to be most effective in getting conservative ideas in place.

To me, it is a balancing act...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 5:31 PM marie writes:

Sheila,

"I agree that it's the people that make the country work, but as a strong leader, and with his policies like the Patriot Act, and surveilance of potential terrorists, plots have been stopped before they occured, and as a result we have been safe since 9-11."

Please try and imagine the powers this Bush has taken and then give them to Billary. Warrantless searches affect (and threaten) us all. Apparently Bush has elevated himself above the law at least 750 times with his signing statements. We are not safe now. Thanks to wide open borders - we have absolutely no idea who is here or why. This has been going on for years, but he's in charge now and is charging down the NAFTA/NAU/SPP road.

"R" does not currently mean conservative. If we don't raise hell with them now it will be too late.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 5:59 PM wil writes:

Think about this though

Bush was the Compassionate Conservative, remember? A nice guy who people wanted to have a beer with...now he is the Spawn of Satan. It doesn't matter who the Republicans pick...If its Newt or Guiliani, they'll trot out people to demonize him as a womanizer and abandoner of previous wives, if its Romney, they'll tell us the Mormon church is a doomsday cult and Mitt will make us all drink the Jimmie Jones Kool Aid. If its McCain, they won't have to say a lot...If it is Fred, they will pull out all these Hollywood people who worked with him and can find skeletons from his closet. Whoever the Republicans nominate, they will demonize, its what they do, so we might as well find a real believer in conservative values who can articulate them well. Because only a good debater and articulate fighter even stands a chance.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 6:02 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Newt

I don't think he could do it.

Sure, there would be those who love him, but there are also those who would loathe him.

What could be fun would be a Hillary/Newt battle. Wow. The mudslinging on both sides...

Phil Gramm. I remember him well enough...
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 6:08 PM wil writes:

Actually, if it were Hillary/Newt

With the high negatives on both sides, there would almost certainly be a third party challenge, there may be anyways.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 6:35 PM BrianR writes:

Sheila, in all honesty,

you inspired my weekly essay, just posted.

It's entitled "GOP Enablers".

I didn't quote you, or anybody else, but I did take my inspiration from here and your comments at my last post, so be warned!

LOL
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 6:44 PM marie writes:

oh Doc! are you gathering ammo? :D

"I am not completely convinced that the way the MSM reported Newt standing over his cancer-ridden soon-to-be ex-wife waving divorce papers is exactly the way it went down. Are you?"


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/09/politics/main2551861.shtml
http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/99_columns/081799.htm
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 7:05 PM ShiningCity writes:

Sheila

Interesting discussion. I'll just be transparent: I suppose I'm on Brian's side here, but let me ask you this:

To what do you attribute McCain's plummeting numbers & reputation? If, in fact, "the majority" wants middle-of-the-road (OR will tolerate it for the purpose of the WOT), why isn't McCain beloved by "the majority." It's certainly not those "loud members of the base" that are driving McCain's numbers into a big black hole. Some of us would argue that it's precisely BECAUSE the party has lost it's FOCUS on ALL issues--that the big tent idea is just a bad one.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:13 AM BrianR writes:

Whoa, SC!

Great point. Great catch!
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:35 AM Sheila writes:

Hi again everyone

I'll try to comment on everyone's thoughts, but first, let me say...after hearing several reports on the state of the threats we face in this country and around the world from radical extremists, including Iran, I am very concerned about the glib attitude coming from some quarters, as though we are living in normal times, and that having the dems in power will be no big deal, and it will teach our side to stay in line...

I want as much as anyone on TH to have a conservative GOP, but it can't be done by losing every other election, because we're mad at a few people.

Very frankly, I am stunned that very smart people here don't seem to understnd the severity of the threat we face.

Not understanding the threat is extremely dangerous, and will lead us down the road to a disastrous future, if we have anti America, anti military, anti war socialists in control of our government.

If people don't understand that this is THE issue we face...(our survival), then we will understand after the fact, when it is too late.



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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:44 AM Sheila writes:

Brian LOL

I guess I am going to have to write a new post on the "Demsocialist enablers in the GOP"...:)thanks for the inspiration!
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 2:46 AM Sheila writes:

marie

I understand what you are saying about Shrillary. She has one thing in mind...HER POWER. Bush has one thing in mind..."DEFENDING THE COUNTRY".

My rights haven't been affected one bit since Bush has been eavesdropping on potential terrorists...have yours?

I know the dangers of having Marxists like Shrillary wielding their power, though. That does scare me.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 2:56 AM Sheila writes:

Shinning City

Thanks for stopping by.

Mc Cain's campaign,in my opinion, is flat. He's not an exciting candidate. He's been around too long, and it's showing.

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 3:01 AM Sheila writes:

And Shinning City

The "big tent" idea is a numbers situation. Reagan won in a landslide because democrats crossed over...

I don't know if we have the numbers to win in a landslide without independents and democrats who are disenchanted with their party defecting. Do you?
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:18 PM ShiningCity writes:

I disagree

that McCain is flat. He could initially fundraise, but now has lost all momentum. Polls shows a definite down down down.... He's firing people. Is it completely coincidental that this coincided with the immigration bill?

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:21 PM ShiningCity writes:

Reagan

won by a landslide in the electorate. The popular vote was more like 50-ish vs 40-ish. The democrats that Reagan won were social conservatives. His message appealed to a broader group.

I think you're missing this, though: Reagan's message is NOT Guiliani's message or McCain's message. You can't say that because Reagan drew in independents & dems that we can do the same by advocating centrist ideas. Reagan didn't DO that to get those to cross over. He advocated conservative ideas to get them to cross over.

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:40 PM BrianR writes:

"Demisocialist enablers"?

That would be an autobiographical post, then?

Hate to tell ya, but YOU'RE the one who accepts liberal candidates as fodder for presidential consideration.


BTW, Sheila, you keep saying these aren't "normal" times, and frankly, you're wrong. Times when our existence isn't threatened are, in fact, unusual. We were in a Cold War for about 40 years, which included some hot wars as part of it. This WOT is nothing new.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 12:59 PM Sheila writes:

Shinning City

I'm not disagreeing with you on McCain...it's obvious that he's tanked for various reasons, one possibly is all the negativity about the immigration bill.

I'm not advocating a McCain presidency here...but my thrust is to combat the dems and their socialist marxist ideology, and in particular the irony of the Clintons being a viable co presidency after all the corruption from their first stint in the WH...seems the dems can get away with just about anything and the MSM doesn't give a rip...



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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 1:09 PM Sheila writes:

And, Shinning City

We agree on Reagan...:) He won in a landslide because there were more than just us conservatives on our side voting for him. He won over the reasonable democrats, which is going to be essential for a landslide win in 08.

We can't win with just us conservatives on our side, we need a broader constituency.

Whoever the candidate is in 08 will have to overcome all the negativity and dislike for Bush, and the constant beating up of our party...moveon.org has got to be happy, as well as Al Qaida...

Btw, if Shrillary is the dem pick, who's your choice candidate on our side to beat her?
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 1:33 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

Ha! thought you wouldn't like that label...but I don't like the label of GOP enabler...I want to enable our country to survive and thrive, and have a future, and thus I want to defeat the radical demsocialist/antiAmerica party.

I am unwilling to give the demsocialist/marxists the opportunity to win the WH and the majority, because I believe we won't survive as a nation.

And I don't agree we are living in normal times.

Back in the days of the cold war we knew where the nukes were and there was no technology that would allow individuals with ties to terrorists scattered all over the globe to get nukes.

We have always had threats, you're right, and always will, but the circumstances of today's threats are different, and I take them seriously, where you don't seem to.

When a terrorist group, or a rogue nation verbally threatens to wipe us off the face of the earth (Iran) and they have terrorist accomplices all over the globe, I don't want terrorist lovers, who would give them equal rights with Americans, (ie Gitmo ACLU terrorist defenders types) at the reins of power...sorry.

Shrill and her ilk want America to be co equal with the menacing dictatorhips around the world, and want America to "share" super power status.

I will not enable these people in their quest for complete power over my life, and the future of my country.

That's where we disagree.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 5:20 PM ShiningCity writes:

Sheila

We don't agree on Reagan.

You said:
We can't win with just us conservatives on our side, we need a broader constituency.


Reagan brought in others by BEING CONSERVATIVE. Not by opening up the party ideals to centrists.

My choices are: Hunter/Thompson OR Romney/Hunter OR Romney/Thompson



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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 5:20 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Sheila

Keep on pushing your voice. As you know, I fall somewhere in the middle. Both sides we need to hear-- we need to hear both dangers, of electing RINOs and allowing Dems full control. Both have huge downfalls.

My preference is that we focus our energy on getting the right people in rather than going back and forth. I posted this at Brian's, too.

Anyway, hope all is well.

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 5:21 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Shining City

What are your thoughts on Huckabee. Right now, he's got my vote.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 8:44 PM mgraves writes:

Wow

Not a lot of animous, considering the rather pointed disagreements.

I'm with the Doc, I don't see how Sen Clinton could win a general election. Granted, however, the frontrunners for the GOP aren't exactly inspiring (although I've enjoyed Fred Thompson's radio bits and the like appearing on NRO).

I haven't been impressed with any candidates for some time: in '04 I researched the Constitution (too isolationist) and Libertarian (too isolationist) parties before writing in Andrew Jackson. It's odd, I voted for Pres Bush in '00 b/c he promised to not do "nation building"; and while I'm not sold about the possibility of a democracy on the Euphrates, I consider the GWOT and the battle in Iraq Pres Bush's major accomplishments (the other one is the tax cuts of his first term).
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 9:16 PM Sheila writes:

Shinning City

I have never said we need to moderate our views to expand our voting base...don't know where you got that.

Reagan ran as a conservative, agreed, but he also was unique. Reagan was one of a kind, and we'll never have a repeat of his particular personality traits and abilities.

I like your picks too, and time will tell if they have the broad appeal that Reagan did. Hope so.

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 9:26 PM Sheila writes:

V Daddy

Thanks, I appreciate that...and that has always been my point...work for good candidates, and weed out the bad apples...but it doesn't always happen as fast as we would like.

History doesn't always deal us the hand we want or the candidate we might prefer...and sometimes we have to go with the hand that's dealt. For me that hand would never move me to passively allow a demsocialist/marxist to win, and that'a where I part company with some folks...:)
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 9:34 PM Sheila writes:

V Daddy

Huckabee in my opinion is very sharp and has done well in the debates.

After every debate I have been totally excited about our guys, compared to the dems, who are a total turn off.

The thing about Reagan that was so cool, is he had a very likeable way of saying things, while tweaking the left...he just had a very endearing demeanor.

Do you think Huckabee can pull that off as well, and appeal to the reasonable dems?
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 9:43 PM Scottie writes:

Sheila

Hillary is one of the strong male role models on the Left these days. Rosie O'Donnell, Elizabeth Edwards, and Cindy Sheehan also come to mind.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 9:55 PM Scottie writes:

If the Dems win in 08

It will be the first time in history that a party prevailed on a platform of Higher Taxes, Weak Defense, Gay Marriage, and Gun Control. I just don't see it happening. I have faith that the majority of Americans aren't buying this when the rubber hits the road.

Remember, we are the top 5% of consumers for news and politics here at TH. Remember that all the stuff these Dems are saying now is being recorded and held in reserve. Remember that most Americans will get it when they finally turn their focus to politics in the summer of '08. Have a little faith, Sheila.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 9:55 PM Sheila writes:

mgraves

Wow, glad you noticed the civility here...:) that's the way I like it. I'm not into name calling, and appreciate it when visitors do the same...

Interesting comments about your voting history recently...

I voted for Bush twice, and believe he came through big time as you say, on the WOT and lowering taxes.

I would add a good economy, and keeping the country focused on moving forward after 9-11, supporting the pro-life message, marriage between one man and one woman, strong national security, terrorist surveilance, uncovering terrorist plots and preventing their success, supporting our troops, great judicial appointments... to name a few.

I think those who dislike him will be surprised at how historians will treat his presidency...:)



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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:34 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Scottie!

We posted at exactly the same time! As a result I missed your comments...you are cracking me up! I love it Shrill is a male role model...your list makes sense...

Does that mean the Breck Girl married a manly man?...LOL
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:41 PM Sheila writes:

And Scottie,

You make a lot of sense... right on right on...you cheered me up...LOL

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:43 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Hey Sheila,

I think I found the rub. When you make statements like this:

"I think those who dislike him will be surprised at how historians will treat his presidency...:)"


To those of Us Who read Your work, it appears as though You are stating that We "dislike" President Bush.

That's just not so. Being critical of someone's actions does not mean We "dislike" that person.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:46 PM Sheila writes:

Btw, Scottie

Did you watch the youtube debacle...I mean, er, debate?...

What is the deal with Shrill...facelift or botox?

She was trying so hard to sound like she wouldn't give Chavez and Fidel (two of her heroes) the time of day...it was one of those "how can we fool'em today" moments...
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:49 PM BrianR writes:

Sheila, obviously you misinterpreted

what I wrote as to the label of "demisocialist enabler", because it's not a question of whether or not I like it applied to me; that's irrelevant. The plain and simple fact is that I won't accept "demisocialists" like Giuliani as acceptable candidates, and you will. So your whole posit is simply a non sequitur.

Frankly, all that means is that YOU are the "demisocialist enabler", to use your terminology. You have no standards of performance to which a candidate needs to adhere. As long as he calls himself a "Republican" and promises to be tough on terror, you'll vote for him.

Other than the "Republican" label, that means you'd vote for Joe Lieberman.

Sorry; that's simply unacceptable to me.
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:51 PM BrianR writes:

Sorry, Scottie

Other than the "Gay Marriage" issue, Bill Clinton ran on essentially all the issues you mentioned in your post, and won. Twice.

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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:52 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jimmy!

Wow, you appeared at the moment I posted!

Sorry...I am humbly corrected oh Dictator of Texas...LOL

You haven't been quite as vitriolic as some...and I appreciate you making the distinction.

Btw, how's the bar and grill?...I need to stop by for a cherry coke float. Are you open tonight?
:)
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Wednesday, July, 25, 2007 11:58 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

I'll stay late open fer You.

Two straws and three cherries with stems, Right?
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:13 AM Sheila writes:

Brian

You are a riot! It always comes down to Mr. G! LOL

So far he isn't the nominee, and if Thompson makes his move he will probably be it, so why are you so stuck on him? You're wasting a lot of energy on a guy who hasn't even been nominated yet...

And btw, my standards are conservatism down the line...and that applies to putting country first when it comes to letting a demsocialist/marxist win or voting for someone who loves America, but maybe I disagree with on a couple of things...it's a no brainer...



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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:14 AM BrianR writes:

Bottom line

You, Sheila, have stated you'd vote for Giuliani. I have vowed I would not. So let's see who's the "Enabler".

Giuliani has vowed to be "tough on the WOT", which is simply a motto; anyone can say that. Let's look at his record, though, because that's what counts.

Endorsed Mario Cuomo for NY Governor.

Pro-gun-control.

Pro taxpayer funding for abortions.

As Mayor, appointed incredibly Leftist municipal judges.

Pro same-sex marriage or equivalent.

Declared NYC an "amnesty city" for illegal aliens.

Oh, yeah, I guess he's not *really* a lib, is he?

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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:17 AM BrianR writes:

Because, Sheila,

Giuliani IS a definitive candidate when determining a persons political philosophy, and is very symbolic of the depraved path down which the GOP has decided to tread.

Is that clear?

Because the bottom line is, as I just wrote, if he's the GOP nominee, you --- YOU -- will still vote for him.

That's a HUGE problem, and if you can't see it....

Well, I don't know what to tell you. Actually, I do, but don't want to say it.
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:18 AM Sheila writes:

Jimmy :-)

I'm there! And can you select a song for the juke box? Put in a quarter for me with your fav tune, and I'll pay you back later...

You're the best!LOL
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:25 AM Sheila writes:

Doc Steech

You and Scottie are cheering me up! I think I'll have a double cherry coke float at Jimmy's place to celebrate!LOL

You guys need to get your order in, Jimmy's staying open late...I can vouch for the cheeseburger and fries!

Btw, Scottie's right 99.9% of the time...:)
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:00 AM Sheila writes:

Hey Brian!

Meet me at the bar and grill...maybe we can talk over a burger...I'm sure Jimmy won't mind...

Btw, I hear it's one of Rudy's favorite places...

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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:04 AM BrianR writes:

Okay, Sheila, sounds good!

But if RINO Rudy likes it, I insist on a food taster for my burger before I'll bite into it.
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:10 AM Sheila writes:

Brian

Temper temper temper...

Glad you are being a gentleman and not saying waht you REALLY want to say...have another swig of that martini...LOL

I'm visualizing you with feet up on the desk, sipping a martini (as per yer description)in between madly typing away at your laptop...fire place going in the background...bear rug on the floor...music wafting through the room with a view out over the water, and the moon glistening on the water...ahhh...retirement...such fun...enjoy, and don't get so worked up! LOL

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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:12 AM Sheila writes:

Besides, Brian

The election is MONTHS away...the Shrillary swiftboaters haven't even made an appearance yet...
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:13 AM Sheila writes:

And Brian

Doc and Scottie are on a roll...nothing to worry about...LOL
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:16 AM Sheila writes:

Brian HA HA HA

A food taster...gulp...this is sounding serious now...
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:59 AM BrianR writes:

LOL, Sheila

Well, no bearskin on the floor. Believe it or not, I'm not a hunter, and wouldn't waste a good animal just for its pelt. I shoot 'em with a camera.

Other than that your picture's pretty accurate at the moment!

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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 2:00 AM BrianR writes:

Oh, and BTW

Wrong time of year for the fireplace.

My A/C's just a'crankin' away, and I'm madly searching for carbon offset credits. It's a hot night up here in Santa Clarita, and I have my T-Stat set to 70 degrees.
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 7:57 AM Scottie writes:

My Take

is that Hillary is a B actor woodenly presenting a script she neither believes nor is capable of conveying with any passion. She's being careful not to say anything too far to the left during the primaries, because she KNOWS these sound bites will come back to bite her in the general election.

I have no interest in the "debates" at this point. With a cast of thousands all racing to bash Bush, surrender to the Islamists, and pander to the nutroots, there is little of value to be gained by watching them.

In all of these Dem debates there has been one word inexplicably missing: Terrorism! Hasn't been said once by any of the candidates. Kinda shows how serious they are about security, doesn't it?
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 8:01 AM Scottie writes:

Doc Steech

I was proposing Newt a long time ago, and if Fred Thompson wasn't in the race he would still be my pick. But Newt brings negatives that Fred doesn't. Newt has more political baggage than Zsa Zsa Gabor on a world cruise. I like Newt. I think his best contribution would be as the Carl Rove of the new administration.
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 8:08 AM Scottie writes:

With apologies to Monty Python

I'd like to make a complaint!
'Bout what?
That HORSE you sold me a half hour ago.
What wrong with 'im?
HE'S DEAD!
No, 'es just resting.

Now Brian beats the dead horse with the "We need to get back to conservative values and make the sacrifices necessary to get there!" stick. Whack!

And Sheila whips out the hysterical, "We're all gonna die and our children will be born naked if we don't vote for Republicans!" stick. Whack!

And the horse is still - - - DEAD!
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:57 PM ShiningCity writes:

Virginia

Huckabee. I think he's an interesting character. He pops out with some gems now and then. He's right on all the issues. He's not as adamant as Hunter, and I'm not sure Huckabee gets the intricacies of our trade issues.

But, Huckabee would be absolutely fine with me. I wonder if the US would vote for another guy from Ar-keen-saw.

"My name's Roscoe Brown, and I'm from Ar-keen-saw.... Now look here, fellas, I'm just trying to go down this road."
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:58 PM ShiningCity writes:

Sheila

Meaning only to be dissenting in a friendly way, I got that impression because seems like any embracing of Rudy is embracing centrist values on all social issues.

Asking me to vote that way because he is the R candidate is asking me to accept center.

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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 12:59 PM ShiningCity writes:

Scottie's right

that the answer is not to keep up the fight--except to articulate that the real fight is to get true conservatives that everyone can support out front.

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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 1:20 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Huckabee

I think he could be successful on a broad scale. He's terribly personable and has been well liked in Arkansas. One thing about him and Hunter that bodes well in his favor is the governorship. For whatever reason, that seems important (when was the last time a non-governor was elected?)

He's got some work to do, to be sure. But I like him.
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Thursday, July, 26, 2007 6:23 PM Scottie writes:

I like Mike

Huckabee. He'd make a great candidate, but the MSM has already decided who our candidates will be for us. And since the MSM are so fair and balanced and often work in the best interests of both parties {SMACK] Ouch! Sorry, must have been something I ate. But Mike Huckabee does have the makings of a good candidate.
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:31 AM Sheila writes:

Brian

Not a hunter! I'm surprised...

I'm with you...I'd have a hard time killing a critter...unless it was coming at me with mouth open ready to have me for lunch...LOL
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:34 AM Sheila writes:

Brian

Carbon offsets...ha! I'm sure Green Al has some suggestions...
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:37 AM Sheila writes:

Scottie

Interesting take on Shrill...
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:43 AM Sheila writes:

Scottie LOL

"Newt has more political baggage then Zsa Zsa Gabor on a cruise"...that's not funny!

Thompson looks pretty good...

I will be SO glad when the election is over!



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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:45 AM Sheila writes:

And Scottie

yeah, that dead horse is starting to smell up the joint...:)
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:48 AM Sheila writes:

Shinning City

Huckabee would be a major improvement over the last guy from Arkansas who occupied the WH...:)
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:54 AM Sheila writes:

Shinning City

So much can happen still before the election...no one can predict the turns in the road...
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:56 AM Sheila writes:

V Daddy, Scottie

Between Thompson and Huckabee, who's your pick?
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 12:57 AM Sheila writes:

And ...

any guesses as to whether Green Al will enter the race?
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 10:11 AM Virginia Daddy writes:

Sheila, Duncan or Mike

Well, I'd have to say probably Mike... He's been an Gov and he has a better name (not talking about Huckabee, either :) ). Nah, I would say him because I think he seems more likeable and that he has been a govenah. Their about equal on the issues, I think...
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 10:13 AM Virginia Daddy writes:

Al?

He's my biggest fear as a Dim candidate....
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 11:58 AM BrianR writes:

Yeah, I do my hunting

in the supermarket, bagging critters with plastic skin.

I have nothing against hunting; I'm actually pro-hunting, for those who like it.

It's just that I'm a shooter. And lazy. When I go to the range, I'll blast off a couple hundred rounds. The idea of spending hours tramping through the woods to take one shot -- not very exciting. Then having to dress it and lug it out... too much work!

Funny, I'll do it with a camera, though. Even to me, that seems inconsistent, now that I think about it.
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 2:19 PM SLW writes:

Why aren't the conservative candidates

getting more traction? I personally like Huckabee and Hunter, but they are not in the top tier. If conservatives could solidify behind one conservative candidate, maybe that would make the difference.

So far, it's Giuliani that is way ahead, among Republicans.
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 3:43 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Define Top Tier

Are they among those getting the most attention or the best candidates?
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 4:22 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Baggage was an issue for Kerry

The Clinton's, especially Bill, seem excempt.
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 5:49 PM Virginia Daddy writes:

Kerry was a bad candidate

And there is really no comparison, but my point stands, I think... Baggage still matters. The fact that Slick gets away with speaks to his political "skill".
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 7:17 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Somebody mention "dead horse[?]"

I'll take back to the Bar & Grill....
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 8:02 PM Scottie writes:

Mmmmmmmmm

Bar-B-Que Horse. Almost as good as squirrel. Come on Shining City, I'll save you a place at the ol picnic table.
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 8:04 PM Scottie writes:

Doc Steech

Well, what can I say. I'll defend your right to be wrong with every drop of blood in Brian's body. How's that?
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Friday, July, 27, 2007 9:00 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Doc, We're All Family....

...just help Yourself behind the bar and We'll send Ya the bill....don't go knockin' the joint....I've had a cherry soda waiting for Sheila going on 24hrs. now.
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Sunday, July, 29, 2007 11:22 AM BrianR writes:

Uh, gee, thanks, Scottie

I got volunteered again.

I don't recall re-upping.....
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Sunday, July, 29, 2007 9:05 PM Scottie writes:

Brian

You can't expect ME to soil myself defending the screachings of our friend, can you?

BTW All, new post up at the Heartland with my take on the YouTube debate format for Republicans.
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Monday, July, 30, 2007 2:12 AM Sheila writes:

Hey guys!

Good to see 'yall are hangin' out and having a nice conversation...this has been a funny read...LOL

I'll have to get in my two cents...but first I better get over to Jimmy's Bar and Grill! I've been thinking about that cheeseburger fries and cherry coke!...:)
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