I Have Some Questions

...if he's been as close to "Reverend" Wright (and I use that appellation very loosely here) and he's been unable to make a dent in Wright's ideology, what's he going to do with the other crazies in this country who swallow Wright's garbage? And if he hasn't influenced Wright, to what extent has Wright influenced him? The probabilities that he has not been influenced are miniscule.

If Barrak Obama truly is the post-racial candidate that will unite three hundred million Americans in racial harmony, why has he been so patently unsuccessful at ameliorating the obvious racist tendencies of his pastor of over twenty years?
It ain't possible when you di not want to move forward.
It’s not for lack of time.
Nope.
It’s not for lack of eloquence.
Nope!
I suspect it’s a lack of ability to do so, don’t you?
Uh-huh...
And if that’s the case, then isn’t it obvious now that what he’s selling is something he really can’t deliver?
It's not obvious to those who believe he is the messiah and it's a conspiracy put on by us racist conservatives who don't want an inexperienced black senator for President, mmmkay?

it takes a certain toughness and decisiveness to be President. You've got to bite the bullet sometimes and cut some bad people out of your life. We all do for that matter.

It seems a reasonable question to me.

You need to watch a little less South Park girl. You're starting to sound like Mr. Macky, mmmmmKay!

I agree with you. But I think his inability to convince someone that close to him to change is hardly a good sign that he can change the rest of the country. It also tends to implicate his sincerety and judgement.

I don't think the answer is that Obama couldn't change Wright. Rather, it's because he had no interest in changing Wright. Remember, 20 years ago, as Obama was shopping around for a church, one of his key metrics was whether it would give him "street cred". Wright provided that by the bucket full, and along the way, Obama grew to understand Wright as the embodiment of the "black church." So what's to change?

Seemed to me that Obama sounded pretty nervous and unsure, pausing every two words, while trying to denounce this pastor he's given money to and who married him to Michelle, another blame-whitey type.

Yeah, he'll be worse than Carter if it comes down to this half-white elitist snob who keeps saying and doing the wrong things.

Then your line of reasoning leads inevitably to the conclusion that his post-racial pose is phoney thru and thru and he never really meant it anyway. Which is likely the reality.

Worse than Carter? Wow! Is that even possible? I guess he's young enough to be a pain in the butt for about as long as ol' Jimmuh tho. Pretty cynical take on the man of Change and Hope!

Obama wasn't teaching Wright about racial harmony, Wright was getting Obama up to speed on being a separatist. It was a good plan until Obama took it to a national platform.

Well, sure, if you look at it from the standpoint of a reasonable, rational person, all those questions lead to a pretty obvious conclusion.

BUT....

...my hunch is the pat leftist response would be something along the lines of asking how much WORSE Jeremiah Wright might sound, after all the repression and discrimination he suffered through, had the miraculous Sen. Obama not brought him so far in the past 20 years.

So while Obama maybe hasn't made Wright the kind of guy we all might want him to be, even after 20 years, certainly the rest of us aren't as bad as Wright was to begin with, so Obama's tonic should be just fine for us.

Or some such nonsense.

if that's the case, then Obama is unsuitable for office on that basis. I want an president that has the best interests of the nation at heart, not the welfare of any particular greivance group.

Now that's a take on the matter that hadn't occured to me. Following your logic, the "good" reverend would have been well neigh the anti-christ personified but for the fortuitous intervention of Obama! Hardly plausible, but you can always count on Lefties to make implausible arguments. Kudos

Now that's a take on the matter that hadn't occured to me. Following your logic, the "good" reverend would have been well neigh the anti-christ personified but for the fortuitous intervention of Obama! Hardly plausible, but you can always count on Lefties to make implausible arguments. Kudos

Yeah, it's implausible, but it's not that much of a leap from the kind of stuff the left tries all the time.

Don't think the Great Society was a huge success? Well, just think how much worse off our country would be had we not taken such heroic steps to win the war on poverty.

The beauty of it from the lefty perspective is that it's an all purpose argument that always argues in favor of more and more power and control going to the government.

of question noted.

My answer: he doesn't see anything about the Good Reverend that needs to be rectified. He agrees 100% with his positions. It's the angry white male who needs his views adjusted.

So that's how he's gonna unify everybody? Those that disagree with him will simply disavow their values and convert to his and mirable dictu we'll all be on the same page. Everybody that opposes abortion will become pro-choice, everybody that opposes affirmative action will now support it, and people advocating controlling our borders will now roll out the welcome mat.

I'd feel better if he had some kind of compromise in the works. This sounds a lot more like capitulation to me.

The New Deal and the Great Society programs have never been compared to their alternatives; they are simply held out as wonderful solutions without regard to the unintended effects they've produced.

Let's see, we have the bankrupting albatross of Social Security and Medicare, the exponential growth of government, the dilution of the clear intent and letter of the constitution, and a fiat monetary system among other dysfunctions from the New Deal.

We have a 70% illigitamacy rate, and 50% drop out rate, and a 35% incarceration rate for the black community among other dysfunctions from the Great Society program despite spending enough money to give every poor person at it's inception a four bedroom house and a Harvard education to every poor child the programs sought to help.

But I digress...

And my take: he's doing his politics thang, and Wright's doing his preaching thang.

Its all about twisting the truth vs telling the truth. Since Wright is a pastor, he gets a pass. And since Obama is a politician, he also gets a pass.

Its how it works, and since people are dumb enough to believe it, it definately works.

And correct me if I am wrong, haven't we heard something eerilly similar to the uniting theme in a presidential election before? What was that result?

Please read the entire thread of the article "The Left is Wrong", by John Stossel (05/07/08).

Tell me what you think about Hal Doofus's comments and my rebuttals.

Re: Hal Donahue.

One shouldn't wrestle with a pig. You only get muddy and the pig likes it. If brains were explosives, setting off Hal's wouldn't muss his hair. Surely you have better uses for your time my friend, than to waste it on such an intellectually bankrupt foil.

That was a loooooooooonnnnnnng thread you sent me to. And you made me read Hal's mental droppings ad nauseum to boot. YOU OWE ME FOR THAT!!!

Apparently your allusion escapes me. To whom do you refer as the previous uniter?

The previous "Uniter" was/is none other than GWB, the current president. How many times did we here the term "I'm a uniter, not a divider" in 2000? And the result is obvious: more partisanship than any can remember, and more hatred on each side.

Can't argue with that. Good point