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Comment on: Heartland Patriot

Some Thoughts on Victimhood

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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 8:47 AM nee writes:

I got 2X4's!!

Scottie, I've been stocking up...to help them build that bridge...and the fence. Victimhood makes me see red!! Yesterday on the news no one focused on the terrorists, but the loaded SUV, as if it had made up it's own mind to drive into the airport! At least they mangaged to "save" one guy. Now he will get what's coming to him.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:14 AM Scottie writes:

Nee!

Maybe we could use those 2X4's to beat some sense into these idiots stewing in perpetual self-pity.

It's really nihilism at its most profound when you get right down to it. "Me, it's all about me, pay attention to me, look how I've suffered, look how unfair the world has been to me. Me Me Meeeeeeeeeee!" Just shut up and get on with your life. Jeez Louise!
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:18 AM Scottie writes:

From what I hear

if that guy survives his injuries, he will experience the closest thing there is to hell on earth during his recovery. Burns have an extremely painful and drawn out recovery process. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy; and best of all, he's a victim of his own rage.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 10:12 AM Rightmindedmom writes:

It's big money for the hustlers

All I can think of when you talk about victimhood, is the Duke Lacrosse case, and the Sharptons and Jacksons, and the like. These race hustlers HAVE to ENSURE that blacks feel like victims, because if blacks wise up and realize that THEY'RE the masters of their own fate, and CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR SITUATIONS, then Sharpton and Jackson and their ilk are out of a job. It's their job to make sure that blacks stay DOWN and stay VICTIMS. That way the race hustlers can be their saviors -- along with many Democrat politicians, promising that they'll save blacks from their victimhood.

It's sickening, and has been sickening to me for decades, that most blacks don't see that they're being played for fools by race hustlers and blacks, and being KEPT VICTIMS by those who want to USE THEM.

Mom in Wisconsin
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 10:13 AM Rightmindedmom writes:

Correction

...I meant "being used by race hustlers and Democrats"... sorry.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 11:21 AM Scottie writes:

RightMindedMom

Welcome to the Heartland and thank you for your comment. Please come back often and share your thoughts.

While you are correct that there is an abundance of victimhood preached within the black community, my point is much broader. The feminists have convinced a lot of women that just being a woman is a form of victimhood. The Radial Gays want us to believe they are victims in order to carve out special treatment for themselves. The pro Illegal Immigrant lobby wants desparately to paint their constituency as a vicitimized class. Muslims are screaming victimhood and bigotry without much of anything beyond their own feelings to back it up. It's time for this mentality to be confronted and ridiculed for the farce it has become. It's time to tell the cry-babies to grow up and to quit pandering to them.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 11:26 AM Scatbug writes:

Victimhood

can be made even worse by others perpetuating it. Take the Palestinians for example. They assumed victimhood status in 1948. From that point and for the next 60 years it's been reinforced not just by themselves but their Arab "brothers" and the rest of the world. The result is that they live in squalid, permanent refugee camps and crushing poverty.

By comparison, if any group is entitled to claim collective victimhood, it's the Jews. For 2,000 years Jews were slaughtered, run out of their countries, forcibly impoverished, etc. Through it all they continued to make vital contributions to the advance of civilization and finally won back their homeland. And even after that, Israel has faced almost complete hostility around the world. The Jews' situation provides a stark contrast with the Arabs.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 11:30 AM ch47 jockey writes:

It's really nihilism at its most profoun

"worse than nazi's Donnie, at least nazi's had an ethos" Walter from the big Lebowski describing nilhist. It is a kind of sickening thing to watch a fully capable person waste their potential by wallowing in self pity,especially after seeing someone who has reason to feel defeated pick themselves up and move on. Perhaps thay are just weak in the mind.The folks that lose their jobs or get locked up because of failing a drug test. blame their employer or the police for their use of drugs. there are almost too many of these people rtunning around sapping the economy and the medical system.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 12:18 PM BrianR writes:

Well said

The Constitution guarantees equality of opportunity, not of outcome, a distinction that seems to be lost on most people nowdays.

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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 12:18 PM Scottie writes:

Scatbug

Your point is right on. The Palestinians aren't just a good example of victimhood on parade, they are the Arab world's prototype and development lab for it. Their hatred of the Jews stems primarily from the Jews success putting the lie to everything the Palestinians claim. Same land, same resources, same self determination, with drastically different results. That's because all cultures aren't equivalent and different choices have different results. These two cultures aren't morally equivalent and the results prove it.

Maybe they need a Dr. Phil moment: "So, you've been here for three generations blaming the Jews for your inability to settle the land, govern yourselves and create a society among the other nations of the world. How's that working for you?"

Why does a bratty kid act up? Why do they whine until they get their way? Because THEY GET THEIR WAY! The misplaced pity of the world at large is just as much a part of the problem as the pity from within Palestine. I say, "No More!"

Great point Scatbug.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 12:25 PM Scottie writes:

Chopper Man

One of the most inspirational characters I have ever met was a holocaust survivor and a one-handed card magician. I can guarantee you, he was no victim. The Nazis couldn’t break his will, and the loss of a hand in an auto accident couldn’t stop him from performing. Just try to imagine how difficult it is to perform card magic with only one hand; now multiply that by ten and you're close to reality. The drummer for Def Leppard also comes to mind; no victim there. Neither of these two people ceded control of their lives to the misfortunes that befell them, nor should we.

Self-pity and self-determination are mutually exclusive contructs.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 12:29 PM Scottie writes:

Brian

Another nail hit squarely on the head. Unequal results seem to be the greatest justification for claims of victimhood. It couldn't possibly be differences in talent, work ethic, risk taking, or sacrifice on the part of the more successful; someone had to victimized somewhere, somehow.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 12:30 PM Scottie writes:

Gotta Run

I'll be back later this evening. As they say on Coffee Talk - "Talk amongst yourselves".

Good thread so far. Keep it going guys.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 1:27 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Water follows the path..

..of least resistence. It's easier to "blame" someone or something else for your station in life than to do what is necessary to improve your lot. That slow trickle from the faucet can quickly turn into a deluge once you get the momentum of like minded people who cry the same tears. Sometimes, no matter what it's made off, a bridge cannot withstand the force of a flood. You need a dam.

This is America, damn it! Anything is possible!

Here's just one of countless millions (read the entire article):

http://deschamps.townhall.com/g/b270f788-6bca-492e-b46f-e086111cd9fd

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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 1:50 PM Edamon50 writes:

We agree!

I have long ago tired of people claiming to be victims of everything when they fail; it's the White man, the government, the weather...always something other than themselves. And like you have pointed out, it's not just Blacks, it's gays, Jews, Muslims, tax cheats, murderers...everyone is a victim. But you only become a victim if that's what you want to be. No one can keep a person from succeeding in life, except that person.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 2:05 PM Edamon50 writes:

Rightmom

I hear what you're saying about the Sharpton's and Jackson's of the world...Booker T. Washington said the same thing about those that kept racial animosity going because without it, they would be jobless.

One thing that I think you're missing is something that Scottie and I have discussed in the past, and that is that Jessie and Al don;t really speak for the Black community in America. They are simply the people that the media run to because they know exactly what they will get from them. They know that Jesse and Al will give them the incendiary quote they are looking for, will immediately fall into victim status, and will perpetuate the media view that Blacks in this country are the downtrodden descendants of slavery, trapped in a well of racism. The reason that they do not speak to a Walter Williams, Tom Sowell, J.C. Watts, or Bishop Harry Jackson is because these people do not fit their conception of what Blacks should think; even though Blacks are more in line with these men than the previously mentioned men.

Blacks, for the most part, do not see themselves as victims. They see themselves and their situations the way Zora Neal Hurston said it in "How It Feels To Be Colored Me":

"I am not tragically colored. There is no great sorrow dammed up in my soul, nor lurking behind my eyes...I do not belong to the sobbing school of Negro-hood who hold that nature somehow has given them a low-down dirty deal and whose feelings are all hurt about. Even in the helter-skelter skirmish that is my life, I have seen that the world is to the strong regardless of a little pigmentation more or less. o, I do not weep at the world--I am too busy sharpening my oyster knife."
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 3:19 PM jevica writes:

Scottie

The Democrats want to have as many victims as possible to show how they are oppressed by the evil Republicans.

This defeated immigration bill would have established another class of victims. Rosie only opens her mouth to complain, and anytime someone says how stupid her comments are they are anti-gay, never does she answer the question of her stupidity [which is great].
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 4:16 PM Charles Mudgeon writes:

Rosie Is A Victim ........

She's a victim of her own big mouth and of the ignorance that comes out of it. Can you be gay and that miserably unhappy at the same time? Just asking.

Oh, wait, some of us old fogies still haven't come to terms with the hijacking of the word "gay." Sorry.

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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 4:56 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Okay! I'm back!

I posted a new essay early this morning and found myself victim to TH's arbitrary security software. I haven't been able to log on for almost six hours. Very frustrating. I feel I am ENTITLED to reparations. Let's celebrate how we are all united in our diverse victimhoods.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:36 PM philosophocon writes:

we are all united in our diverse victimh

oods.

The perfect summation of today's Democratic party, and especially their nutroots. Way to go Phil!
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:38 PM Scottie writes:

Flagwaver

Thank you so much for coming by and adding to the converstation. Your posts are exactly what I had hoped for; perhaps even more powerful than I expected. Thanks pal.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:45 PM Scottie writes:

Jevica

Of course your analysis it correct. The Dems have become a chunky amalgam of special victim groups. Nearly all of these so called "victimized" cliques seem to infest the left, where appeals to emotion trump appeals to reason.

It is the Right properly calling attention to the logical inconsistencies and the actual effects rather than intentions that garners the vicious hatred it receives from the left. We are essentially trying to separate Linus from his blanket when we do this; the uproar should be expected, but it shouldn't dissuade us.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:51 PM Scottie writes:

Charles Mudgeon

I think the best way to deal with Rosie is to give her the microphone and put her center stage and let her spew. With nothing to stop her, no one to challenge her facts, she will burn brightly for a short time and then fade to the obscurity she so justly deserves. I'm sure the Dems are just as embarassed by her as we are with Trent Lott, another buffoon with perpetual foot in mouth disease.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:55 PM Scottie writes:

PasPhil

Was it something you said that got you sent to Siberia, or was it just a glitch? I'll be by to check out your new article as soon as I get the posts on this thread answered. Good to see you back up and running tho'.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 10:02 PM Scottie writes:

Philosophocon

How can victims of differing injustices unite behind anything beyond their own victimhood? Surely oppressed Islamists share very little in common with the radical feminists.

I would like to see these two groups assigned to the same table at the "Woe Is Me Awards Show" on MSNBC though. If there is one thing a jihadi cannot deal with, it's a man-hating lesbian that speaks her mind in a condescending tone. Maybe we'd get to witness an honor killing live! Or maybe an impromptu castration.
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Sunday, July, 01, 2007 10:22 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Scottie

I'm sure it was a glitch. As far as I know, I'm not exactly controversial with the TH people. I only annoy the Paulettes and some of the trolls. I'm also pretty sure that the TH people, particularly Hugh, are hands-off on the censorship. They usually are responding to widespread protest when they kicked someone off.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 11:01 AM davecatbone writes:

Victimhood

That's the entry fee for the free stuff and no responsibility club run by the Dems.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 2:23 PM BrianR writes:

Scottie

I just posted my new essay "Where's The Fence?" at the Island. Take a look when you get the chance.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 3:20 PM Husker Jeff writes:

Scottie, you missed the point

Of Mom. Yes, she mentioned blacks, but they are the most visible of the victims only. Victimhood does not give power to the victims though. It gives power to their representatives and "helpers". You see, if there is a problem, I can make money and/or power by setting up the program to help. Of course I need to keep them down or I lose my job and my power. This applies if the victim is black, gay, "differently abled", or a climate alarmist.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 3:22 PM Husker Jeff writes:

Rosie

There is a perfect example of what is going on with Rosie. That is Ellen DeGeneres. She had a great tv comedy until she decided to come out militantly. She lost her show. She blamed homophobes for the loss of show and ignored that fact that it was no longer funny. Now, she has a talk show. Yes, it is known she is gay, but that is not the subject of the show. The subject is like any other talk show. And, because she is likeable and funny, it is a success.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 6:03 PM Scottie writes:

Dave Cat

The price is pretty simple . . . just surrender your self-respect, your sense of responsibility, your sense of shame, and your ability to think logically and rationally. You know, have a lobotomy.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 6:08 PM Scottie writes:

Husker Jeff

Sorry old boy, but being a victim is in an of itself a source of power. When collectivized under the auspices of a movement (ala Jesse and Rev. Al) it assumes a political component, but even without this, victimhood is what motivates, protects and legitimizes the dysfunctional. Read Tammy Bruce's "The Death of Right And Wrong" for a deeper discussion on this particular topic. Great read from a superlatively credible source.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 6:19 PM Scottie writes:

Husker Jeff

As for the comparative between Ellen and Rosie, that is a perfect refutation to the contention that the country is anti-gay. EVERYONE knows Ellen is gay, but as soon as she showed that she was much more than that, she succeeded. Rosie succeeds only to the extent that she is always a potential train-wreck that everybody watches just to catch it when it happens. It draws ratings for a while, then gets old, then she goes away for a while, then returns with a big splash, then everybody holds their breath and waits for it again.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 6:57 PM jevica writes:

Scottie

Husker is right Rosie is just I'm gay and you can't disagree with me or else. Ellen has other things going for her. Husker is right about Ellen and her show both before and after her coming out.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 7:18 PM Scottie writes:

Concur Jevica

I actually like Ellen's humor and as a person. She's like an offbeat sister of sorts. But the point that relates to this post is she didn't wallow in her failed sitcom, she just found another outlet for her talent. No victim there.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 7:48 PM Husker Jeff writes:

I gotta still disagree

The thing is that the victim gets no power. The individual gets little or nothing. Their advocates get lots. For example, with all the homeless advocates, how many less homeless are there? With the anti-poverty folks, did we get rid of poverty? Nope. The power only goes to the political and advocate class.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 7:56 PM ScarletPimpernel writes:

geez, Scottie

"In my long life I’ve been abandoned, beaten, robbed, evicted, fired, jailed," Couldn't you just keep your mouth shut, once?! (just kidding, sure, we can laugh about it now:)

Seriously though, another symptom of victimhood is ingratitude. Anyone that you give something to on a consistent basis will, inevitably, develop bitterness towards YOU and will begin to be unthankful. Beggars become choosers.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 9:11 PM Scottie writes:

Well Jeff

I guess I haven't made my case well enough. I will try to give you a deeper analysis.

The homeless actually are a genuine victim group consisting largely of people that in the past would have been institutionalized for mental disabilities. Their advocates are indeed pimps for the victimhood of this group and as such you are correct in that assessment.

As to the poor, how many are willing to let go of their benefits because they know it is wrong to take from others when you are able to work? How many use their poverty as an excuse to quit trying? How many continue to draw benefits while their "boyfriend" brings home the bacon but remains invisible to the system?

By claiming victim status, they continue to receive aid, housing and a host of benefits without working for them. Isn't perpetuating your victimhood in order to receive money taken from others an exercise in power? I wish I had the power to usurp money from others without having to give anything back in return, but should I attempt it, it would be called theft. You see, I'm not a victim.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 9:19 PM Scottie writes:

Scarlet Pimpernel

I was just making the point that all of us can find excuses to portray ourselves as victims. I've led a grand life on a canvas writ large and I wouldn't change any of it. To borrow a line from Garth Brooks, "I would've had to miss the dance".

No regrets, no whining, no bragging, it just is what it is and it's mine. I own it and there it is, the good, the bad, the shameful, the grand, the humbling, the glorious and everything in between.

And I thank God I was lucky enough to be born in America; the only place on earth where a scrawny little boy from a dirt poor family would ever have had the chance to do all of the things I've done.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 9:21 PM Scottie writes:

Scarlet Pimpernel

Don't waste a minute on the ungrateful. Lack of gratitude is an absolute indication that you've done too much already and you're wasting your time. Put 'em in the rear view mirror, life is just too short.
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Monday, July, 02, 2007 11:49 PM Jimmy Carter writes:

Hey Scottie...

...rereading yer post and the comments Here reminded me of a book I picked up. When I'm looking at a book, the first page I turn to is the table of contents.

I don't remember which book it was, I think it may have been one of those "Chicken Soup For The Soul[s]" book.

In the table of contents was a portion refering to obstacles. The first obstacle it mentioned were those of the mind. For example, as soon as you think of a goal, your mind will give you ALL kinds of examples (obstacles) of how you cannot/will not achieve it: I want to do x (your mind says "you can't because you are y"). I want to own z (your mind says "you can't because you never c").

The table of contents stated that this is exactly what one would want to happen because it is laying out the very blueprint of the obstacles you have to overcome in order reach your original goals.

If one is being honest with oneself, then when one's mind states that they cannot achieve a particular goal because of their "color," then they can reasonably tell themselves that is not an obstacle, next. When one's mind states that they cannot achieve a particular goal because of their bank account, then they can figure out how to improve it. You get the jist. Just thinking Here.
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 1:00 AM BrianR writes:

I wish I had more to add

but just reading all these great comments is really entertaining. Great stuff, guys!

The one thing I guess I'll toss in is that I think both the victims and the advocates benefit, in different ways, and each has different goals.

The victims themselves do, indeed, "get" things, though probably NOT the things that would truly benefit them in the long run. It's like they're unknowing members in a class-action lawsuit, you know, like the ones against the phone companies and others where you suddenly get this notice in the mail that you were a member of a settled lawsuit against Ma Bell, the settlement was a zillion dollars, and your share is this swell leatherette cell phone holder.

The advocates, of course, are like the attorneys who dreamed up the lawsuit in the first place, and pocket about 80 billion dollars, then take the position that leatherette cell phone holders are a great thing for their "clients".

Yeah, I think that sums it up.
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 3:42 AM Sheila writes:

Scottie

I'm a victim of my own brilliance...;)LOL

Btw, do you ever listen to Larry Elder? He's a real critic of "victocrats"...
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 6:47 AM Nee writes:

Ellen

I agree, Scottie. Ellen is a class act. So many people have experiences in thier lives that could easily make them fall and be woe is me. The thing is, if everyone learned the mindset that all experiences can be learned from, nobody would be crying in their soup. I have always said when you know better, you live better...I don't have time for those who feel sorry that a choice they made was wrong. Suck it up and drive on!
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 6:58 AM Scottie writes:

Jimmy

I've read several books in a similar vein, and I while I can't place that particular one, I do indeed get your drift. There should have also been a chapter on external naysayers that tell you why what you want to do won't work. There is a personal component (the reasons we give ourselves) and a cultural component (the reasona others give us) that exlains why so many don't even try to reach their goals or set tiny ones.

I tend to be a rugged individualist. My philosopy is: If someone else can do it, then I CAN do it. The real descision for me usually comes down to what am I willing to give up to get there and what is too much. The harder part is to get there and discover it wasn't what I thought it would be; that I had sacrificed too much to get something I didn't want once I had it.
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 7:10 AM Scottie writes:

Sheila

I used to listen to Larry all the time in LA. Good show. "Facts are like Kryptonite to a toe-tag liberal." "Ghengis, pass the Advil."

I'm a big talk radio junkie. Now that I have an IPOD, I usually listen to Hewitt and Prager's podcasts that I download from right here at TH. No commercials means in three hours I can listen to both shows from the day before. I have an adapter for my Dewalt Work Radio so I can just plug it in, turn it on, and listen to them while I'm working, and an adapter in my truck so I can listen to them on my radio while I drive to and from the jobsite.

And while you may think you're brilliant, you'll always be just my sister blogger here at Townhall to me. Like any good brother, I stand ever ready to take you down a peg when you need it. I'm sure you'll return the favor when my head swells too.

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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 7:22 AM Scottie writes:

Nee

The reason Ellen succeeds and Rosie doesn't is one listens to constructive criticism and the other doesn't. Ellen was told her show failed because she overplayed being gay to the point it crowded out everything else and turned people off. On her talk show, it only comes up in context on occasion in an interesting way, and her talent is allowed to come through. We want to be entertained, not preached at.

Rosie just spews and never lets anyone respond. She ruined her talk show. She ruined her magazine. She ruined the discouse on the View to the point it was really the Rosie & friends show. She's a self righteous, arrogant, bully that never listens. People only watch her to see if she's going to be challenged so she can blow her stack. And when the other gal called her out on her hateful statements, she didn't defend them, she attacked the messenger for not blindly siding with her. I guess Rosie doesn't have any real friends. It's your friends that tell you when you're wrong.
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 3:31 PM ShiningCity writes:

Islamic Victims

your point about the Islamists is provocative, given the weekends events.
As a big radiohead myself (also via pod-casts...and a bonafide Rush 24/7 membership, which I highly recommend), I heard an opine something akin to: it's interesting these guys are doctors (some in residency, albeit, & one a med student), using mercedes cars. Sort of gives a whole different perspective on the stereotypical Islamic terrorist, who is just in it because his family's had to eat sand for all his life. These new cases really debunk the "terrorism is just a face for class warfare" argument.
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 3:47 PM Scottie writes:

Shining City

Welcome to the Heartland! Always good to see a new face around here.

Your point is well taken. This is a classic example of the Left projecting its ideology into the debate in order to make us the bad guys and no better than the enemy. By validating the enemies righteousness in their cause against us, they perpetuate the myth of moral equivalence.

None of the Islamists on those planes on 9/11 were poor. All of them had college educations, many from universities here in the US. All of them had travelled extensively. All of them were from upper middle class or wealthy families. The idea that the enemy is fighting us because they are poor and downtrodden is utterly laughable.
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 7:19 PM Peppermint writes:

Scottie

The Muslims and their blame game is the ultimate dysfunctional situation. They are not free to blame their own governments for their plight of whatever grievances they may have. So instead they turn their misdirected anger onto America.

I heard Alan Colmes ask of John Bolton the other night, "shouldn't we try to find out what they are angry about?" Colmes asked about the London car bombs. John Bolton of course answered as I expected him to about "what does it matter what they are angry about?"

It doesn't matter what they are angry about, their own victimhood or whatever, I am sick to death of their so called "anger" at the West for any reason they can think of. We've been told it was Palestine, then Iraq, there is always a "reason" for them to behave as brutal murdering thugs, instead of all coming to the realization that they are nothing more than just that, "murdering thugs".

I have no mercy for these types of people. They are the ultimate drunk who has an excuse for every form of behavior under the sun.

Death to jihadists!
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Tuesday, July, 03, 2007 8:46 PM Scottie writes:

So Pep

It sounds like you're as tired as I am of their belligerent self-pity, to borrow a phrase from a recent expert on the middle east that Dennis Prager had on his show.

God bless John Bolton. What a tragedy to lose him as ambassador to the UN.

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Wednesday, July, 04, 2007 3:33 PM neff writes:

Scottie

Your right about all of the things you've said about Rosie's arrogance and so forth. I also think she's a very bitter person and she just cannot hide her bitterness. It's just below the surface and can blow at any time.

Also, my mom used to always preach that no matter what happens, don't ever let it make you bitter or jealous. Then you become your own worst enemy as it eats away at you from inside.

Rosie is her own worst enemy. No one else.
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Wednesday, July, 04, 2007 4:23 PM Scottie writes:

Neff

Well said my friend, well said indeed. Thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts. Do come again, you are most welcome here at the Heartland.
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Thursday, July, 05, 2007 8:20 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Another liberal victim

The Silk Pony's hair and fashion consultant, Torrenova, was "hurt" by being referred to by Edwards as "that guy". That Edwards guy just has no feelings. Heart of stone.
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Thursday, July, 05, 2007 9:31 PM Peppermint writes:

neff

My Mom used to tell me the same thing as yours. What good wisdom our mothers taught us.

I so agree with you about Rosie. She is just a hating, bitter machine. Only God knows what eats at that woman, but she is bound and determined to spread that wherever she goes. I really don't know how people can stand such a person as she. I would hate to be around someone like her day and night as one would be tempted to commit suicide being with her. LOL
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Thursday, July, 05, 2007 10:04 PM Pasadena Phil writes:

Pep

The fascination about Rosie is the same as watching train wreck knowing it is about to happen. I really doubt she can come back too many times. People get sick of her fast.
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Thursday, July, 05, 2007 10:26 PM Scottie writes:

My Take on Rosie

She's a hihilist, completely enthralled with her own dysfunctions. She can't deal with them, so she seeks to change the entire world into something more comfortable rather than to turn inward and deal with them. She stuffs her face to find comfort, she builds a ring of sycophants around her, she torments and bullies her subordinates, all to no avail. When the world doesn't go along with her and comfort cannot be found, she expoldes in hysterical frustration. If she wasn't so vile in her invective and unhinged in her rhetoric, she'd only be pitiful. Perhaps the bitterest irony is that the people using her to make money couldn't care less about her; she's the modern media equivalent of the Bearded Lady in the old west freakshow.
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Sunday, July, 08, 2007 7:34 PM neff writes:

Peppermint

Great Moms! I refer to and appreciate now some of the adivce she gave when I was growing up. I sure didn't always welcome much of it while growing up.

I just hope Rosie doesn't get another gig like "The View" where she gets to spout her hatred and lack of expertise as fact to an audience that sops it up and really thinks she's some expert.
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