Thursday, May, 31, 2007 5:47 AM
Peppermint
writes:
Sanity and Jim
I'm not clutching at any straws, but the two of you certainly are. The two of you are clutching at straws in the repub party, with conservatism nearly dead and gone. What principles are they standing on these days? Just what are you clutching? There is nothing there to hold onto with the repubs right now. That is your problem, thrashing trying to convince others that we should support this horrible bill when the American people know it stinks to high heaven.
When two people keep trying to make someone feel guilty for having an opinion different from theirs, it is my opinion you are thrashing about trying to make an argument that doesn't fly.
As for sounding like liberals, both of you sound like liberals.
Willing to allow the government to ram this bill down our throats that flies in the face of everything a conservative stands for what do you call that?
Here is a copy of the last thing I put on Sandra' blog:
"Do any of you
go to the columnists' threads and debate with people on those threads? I wonder because other than davecatbone I don't see any of you on the threads.
The debates on those threads are often heated and passionate. I think that is good. You will see many varied opinions on those threads. People come here with any number of ways of looking at issues.
I personally like to see what others have to say. I like to see a difference of opinion. I like to see others' thoughts on the issues. What things look like from their angle.
Which leads me to impeachment.
About the impeachment. I threw that out because I was thrown that by a blogger on a column. The individual gave me the reason for thinking that way.
I thought about it. At first I was taken back by it. But, this person made sense to me. What is our President doing caring more for Mexico than he does for our country? I have supported Bush with just about everything else, his wars, his tax cuts, his justice appointments. I cannot support him on this immigration bill.
Would I actually call for his impeachment? Probably not, but it is a thought, something that makes most people look up with the same small shock I did when first presented to me by another blogger who I may add was a conservative.
Why do conservatives like yourselves want to pay taxes for all the illegals here when you want your taxes cut. At least that is what I assume you want since you are conservatives.
Is it not the belief of conservatives that social programs should not exist? Are you not the conservatives who do not want to pay for "crack" babies because some woman made a mistake. Are you not the conservatives who say that woman should take responsibility and not us? Do you say we should not pay for that woman's mistake?
Are you not the same conservatives who do not want government paying for food for the poor, programs for sick people, national health insurance? Are you the same conservatives who don't want drug programs for seniors?
Are you the same conservatives who want abortion struck down because it is not in the Constitution, this mythical right to privacy?
Are you the same conservatives who want the WOT fought?
Are you the same conservatives that believe that laws exist taken from the Ten Commandments so that we have an ordered society and not anarchy?
Because if you are then I don't understand your reasoning for wanting to pay for illegals, to give them rights that they don't have, to allow lawbreakers to storm our country, to drive our health care system into a national crisis.
Would I shoot illegals coming across the border?
No, I threw that out for the very same reason I threw out the impeachment. If we cannot see that our country is being driven into the ground and losing its' sovereignty with this globalism that Bush has grasped onto and won't let go no matter what it does to our country, we are in big trouble here.
We conservatives have sat back and allowed a lot of things to go by us. Roe vs. Wade slipped on by and barely a whimper.
Eminent domain has slipped by us and barely a whimper. Who brings it to our attention? Only talk show hosts on the right.
How many lines have to be crossed before enough is enough? How many times can one allow oneself to be betrayed before enough is enough?
How many times does a woman believe her husband who beats her and apologizes? He tells her the next time will be different. He tells her this time he means to hold his promise to her?
But, what happens? He does not. He beats her again.
Then one day that line is crossed. She no longer will take it from him. Enough is enough she says.
The line for me has been crossed. Enough is enough."
So, I speak out as a conservative. As far as hurting anyone, I don't believe I hurt anyone by speaking out. You making that argument is ridiculous.
Jim:
"Yes to first part and no to second. Many people have worked and some died to protect your vote, but sacred it isn't. It is a prize for freedom not a god-given right."
Yeah, I'm well aware of that. Every male family member of mine fought in one of our wars. My uncle gave his life in Vietnam. So, don't try to throw that one on me like you would some liberal.
I know very well the pain of those who fought and their families being one of those family members who felt the pain. Both of my uncles fought in Korea, my brother in Vietnam. They all came home wounded. So, yes, they fought too to preserve your right to freedom and my right to freedom of speech.
As far as you crabbing at me and Phil about speaking out, you need to take a look at some of the columnists' threads to see just how many people are speaking out about this bad bill. It is not only Phil and me. You behave as if Phil and I are the only ones speaking out and somehow "we" are to blame for the repubs gong down the tubes.
If the republican party gets hurt by this, it is their fault, not mine. Put the responsibility on where it lies. Write your reps about their fallacies and mistakes. Go to the source of the problem rather than blame individuals like Phil and me.
Like I said, Jim, you've got things backwards. The republicans did it to themselves for having thrown away conservative ideas and principles. Big spending, big earmarks, corruption, behaving no different that the democrats. There is not much difference in the two parties, except on national security. And, if the republicans don't want to secure our borders, they appear not to care about national security either.
I'm not as eloquent as some of the columnists who write here at TH. Try reading them, like Terry Jeffrey, or Sowell, someone who points out all the reasons this bill is bad. Read the comments under the columnist's threads. You will see how much of a minority you are in.
And, once again, my vote is private and none of your business.