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I Sympathize With Rush, But...

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Saturday, October, 17, 2009 4:43 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

I guess that's why he has about 20 million listeners. Also Brian has pictures up of his new grand daughter.

Check this out;

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28399.html

"Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven"

BTW This study was done by a Democrat group, the two last paragraphs are what I wish to show you, here they are.

"Despite their vehement opposition to Obama and the Democratic agenda, Carville noted that conservatives were also unhappy with their own party primarily because they believed Republican leaders are abandoning core party principles."

"“When Republicans try to be like Democrat-lite,” one conservative focus group participant said, “they’re not going to convert any Democrats to them and they’re just going to lose conservatives.”"
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 3:56 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

Yes, it's true. Conservative opposition to liberal policies is just that, not racism.

The one thing I will say though, is we conservatives should have a higher standard of discourse. Bad language and personal insults are not a good way to go, because that is what the left does and we should be above that.

We should be vocal and show our extreme disagreement, but frankly, I got tired of Rush's shtick, and his over the top parodies turn me off. He should point out the shocking comments the left makes without turning them into tunes people can misunderstand.

I think Rush needs to have a new policy on his parodies...I have many conservative friends who won't listen to him because they feel he is over the top with language, parodies and his arrogant personality...not to mention that he is always criticizing the one party that could have kept us from the pathetic state our country is in now, which is putting our nation at risk.

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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 4:03 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

That is not to say I don't get extremely irritated with certain people in the party...but Rush blew it when he didn't get behind Mac/Palin 100%, and now he's panicked about what is happening with the country? Well, it's a little late now.

And I will never agree that defeating the GOP has done one good thing for this country. On the contrary, and no one can convince me any different. I think the country will pay the price for the bad decision in the last election.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 4:45 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

You get back to the old argument about McLiberal vs BHO.

This "“When Republicans try to be like Democrat-lite,” one conservative focus group participant said, “they’re not going to convert any Democrats to them and they’re just going to lose conservatives.”" is right on, as to why McCain lost. His across the aisle, immigration stance, gang of 14, McCain/Feingold, moderate, etc. are the reasons he lost. He lost because he was a terrible candidate.

We get back to the point of giving up your principles to vote for a bad candidate.

Rush puts it right on as to what conservatives should do.

"He should point out the shocking comments the left makes without turning them into tunes people can misunderstand." Such as what?

". . . .I have many conservative friends who won't listen to him because they feel he is over the top with language, parodies and his arrogant personality." I do not believe so. Many here on TH dislike Rush, but I believe he speaks for many conservatives. You want to be nice to the Democrats, as they rip us every day [Pelosi, Reid, the BHO team, etc., good luck].

I criticized the GOP when they spent like "drunken sailors" [during Bush 43], when Bush started the bailouts, Medicare drug plan, when he wouldn't veto McCain/Feingold, etc.

Now the GOP stands to make gains in the midterms [as of now] if they put up some good candidates, the Democrats own the entire mess they have made, with McCain as POTUS they would have had cover.



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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 4:49 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

If you want a GOOD book about what conservatives believe read;

Liberty and Tyranny [a Conservative Manifesto], by Mark R. Levin
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 8:28 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Some reasons for criticizing " . . . not to mention that he is always criticizing the one party that could have kept us from the pathetic state our country is in now, which is putting our nation at risk." I do not mention what BHO is doing to destroy the economy and country, just what GWB did.

President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008.

President Bush began a string of expensive finan­cial bailouts.

President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle­ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade.

President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation.

President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs.

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt),
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 8:36 PM PDX Dave writes:

Sheila, I'm one

I can't stand listening to Rush. He's so egotistical it gives me the creeps.

When listening to him, I am repulsed. When reading him, I find his opinions much more agreeable.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 8:52 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

I am a conservative, I know what conservative principles are, and I'm not willing to send America down the river if I don't have a 100% perfect party. In an imperfect world you simply have to deal with imperfection!

And that is where you and I and others part company...:)

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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 8:57 PM jevica writes:

PDX Dave

We must hear two different Rushs.

The Rush I hear is informative and let's you know what the other side is doing.

He MAY be "egotistical" for you but he does have his own nationwide Radio show with about 20 million listeners, so he may have a big ego.

You seem to find his ideas ok, and what he has to say. "When reading him, I find his opinions much more agreeable."
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:00 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

I ask you this again, the last time I did not get an answer.

You say "I am a conservative, I know what conservative principles are" which ones are you willing to give up to elect someone like McCain?
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:07 PM Sheila writes:

And btw, Jev

Bush nominated and got conservative justices on the SC. He kept the country safe from attack after the worst attack on American soil. He kept the economy from tanking after the attack. He supported the military. He supported the pro family pro life agenda, he cut taxes, with the successful military action in Iraq he presided over a successful election for a democratic pro western govnt. after deposing a mass murderer and supporter of terrorists... and I could go on.

Mac has a 83% conservative rating, and he and Palin would have the country right now on a totally different direction, with a different administration, and tax cut friendly, family friendly, job friendly, national security friendly, military friendly policies.

But back to Rush...IMO he needs to clean up his act. I agree with his conservative views, except for not supporting the GOP candidate over the letfwing radicals when the country is at stake.

And his professed Christianity demand a higher caliber program, when it comes to language, name calling, skits etc. Clean it up and have more class, is my recommendation.



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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:09 PM Sheila writes:

PDX...

Interesting take...I agree with conservatism, and am also a conservative, but his antics cheapen the argument, IMO.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:14 PM Sheila writes:

Jevica

Answer: none of the ones you were willing to give up by handing the government over to radical leftists!

I am not willing to give up one single principle, but you evidently are willing to give them all up!

It seems to me you can get more cooperation on your principles when you have a president and VP who mostly agree with you!

It seems to me I've heard this song before...Jev...;)
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:18 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev, as to Rush having 20 million

listeners and being on the air over 20 years, I'm wondering...why is it we are where we are in this country?

Wouldn't you think we would have a majority conservatives in the House and Senate, and a conservative White House??????

What is going on?
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:22 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

"I am not willing to give up one single principle, but you evidently are willing to give them all up!"

You are willing to give up on immigration [check McCain], First Amendment [McCain/Feingold], Judges [gang of 14] how he stabbed Bush and the party in the back.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:24 PM Sheila writes:

Jev...

Why don't we have a majority after 20 years of Rush? Hummm?
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:27 PM Sheila writes:

And, Jev...

Don't get me wrong...I know Rush means well, and he wants a conservative govnmt like I do, but he hasn't exactly succeeded in that, now has he?
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:29 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

I appreciate that Rush started the dialogue and got more conservatism on the radio. That's all good...but tell me why is he always putting his foot in his mouth and being taken in the wrong way? It seems he can't get conservatives elected only booted out of office!
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:31 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

We're not winning we're losing, last I checked!
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:32 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

Talk, talk, talk...is that all we get for 20 years and 20 million listeners? I want conservatives in office!!!!
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:33 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

I want a stronger not a weaker majority...so how has Rush helped? Humm?
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:33 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

If we keep up this record, where will be be in 20 years?
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:39 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

I still think Rush and anyone should be able to buy an NFL team...

but he is going to be a judge on Miss America...that isn't exactly smart is it??

I think that is a big mistake!
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:41 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Because of the candidates this party puts up, could be the reason Hummm?

". . . but he hasn't exactly succeeded in that, now has he?" You make the same mistake the Democrats and Liberals use, Rush is not the ruler of the GOP. Its the party that gets, supports candidates, their the ones that keep using these "moderates."

"We're not winning we're losing, last I checked!" Contact the party and let them know that that unless they get more conservative candidates no more $, or votes from you. Unless you want to lose with moderate, independents [like Snowe & Collins, etc.] Its not the fault of Rush it's the party.

"Talk, talk, talk...is that all we get for 20 years and 20 million listeners?" Because that's his job. It's our job to get candidates and support them with cash and votes.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 9:57 PM GFC Man writes:

Unfortunately...

...well reasoned policy debate doesn't interest a sizable portion of the population. Many are swayed by brief, shallow snippets. The likes of SNL, The Daily Show, Letterman and Leno all influence people toward the other side with the same sorts of "offensive", "divisive", "harsh" comments, parody's and the like.

Unline those sorts of entertainers, Limbaugh mixes a greater degree of seriousness. This puts him in an odd place. Comedic types have more licence to be insensitive because that is part of comedy. Serious analysists shouldn't do that sort of thing. Rush does both which makes him unique.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 10:14 PM PDX Dave writes:

Jevica

Rush has a huge audience. And doubtless he informs a lot of those people.

He's just not for me. I prefer Larry Elder or Dennis Prager. Maybe they are a bit more intellectual in their approach, and that appeals to me more than Rush's style.

Less a matter of substance than of style.
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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 10:22 PM jevica writes:

PDX Dave

My favorite is Mark Levin, I love his show.

I do not like Sean Hannity that much.

Walter Williams is a great fill in host for Rush, Thomas Sowell, Elder, are all good, I just don't like Hannity much.

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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 10:23 PM Maureen001 writes:

Tsk tsk

Shiela, what you are saying is Rush should stop being Rush because you don't like it. You don't have to; 22 million others out there DO like what he does. You can simply...not listen. Is America great or what?

Why on earth is Rush Limbaugh responsible for the results of the last election? Was he in every Republican voter's ballot booth or home when votes were cast? Did he pay people to vote his opinion? (Nope. That was ACORN). Did he twist arms to get Republicans not to vote for McCain/Palin? (Nope. ACORN again.) Your arguments against him sound so mixed up; one minute you accuse him of nixing the last election, the next you want to know why he hasn't had more influence in 20 years!

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Sunday, October, 18, 2009 10:23 PM Maureen001 writes:

High ground hooey

Conservatives had bloody well better get over this "higher standard" platform you want to see us on. We're human. We do good things and we louse things up. But when some of us claim to be above the fray, then ALL of us pay when ONE of us turns up Human With Failings. Dems have been slamming this particular hammer over our political
heads for a long, long time now.

When a Republican messes up, our response ought to be "Although I'm really disappointed I'll pray for him/her. He/she needs our help, not our condemnation. I don't walk in his/her shoes and I can't judge." And then we should expect that person to do the right thing, whatever it is in that particular case.

Senator John Ensign is an example of this right now. He has loused up his marriage, and his constituents know all about it, thanks to an upcoming divorce. Does that negate all that he's accomplished as a Senator? I guess that's for his constituents to decide. But WE certainly don't need to hand the Dems the moral baseball bat so they can hit us over the head with it!

John McCain got the nod for the same reason Bob Dole got the nod for the same reason Al Gore got the nod: it was "their turn". Not one of them was the best candidate at the time, and the election proved it. When parties operate on the "After you, my dear Alfonse" mode, they lose elections.

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Monday, October, 19, 2009 12:43 AM BrianR writes:

Hmmmm....


"I think Rush does things that are in poor taste, that are not up to the standards we as conservatives should abide by...IMO, Rush could improve his image by not being so edgy, and using better taste, and judgement."

In which case he'd be a nobody DJ on some backwater radio station that no one had ever heard of.

Dudette, like it or not, Limbaugh's one of the most effective voices for conservatism there is. How long are you going to let the OTHER GUYS drive your opinions?

Limbaugh, Malkin, Coulter... those people give voice to the frustrations of conservatives -- CONSERVATIVES -- everywhere who are frustrated with the dominance of the MSM by liberal elites. They're popular and at the top of the heap exactly BECAUSE they give the damned libs catfits.

Who do you like? Sean "KissGOPbutt" Hannity? Micheal "liberal neocon" Medved? They're nothing but GOP shills and hacks. Who cares what they think?

Just today, Rahm Emmanuel -- yes, he of the ballerina tutu -- was excoriating Fox as being just "a mouthpiece of the GOP", blah blah blah, for example.

Why is that? Because Fox won't play the game the way THEY want the game played. Neither do Limbaugh, Malkin, or Coulter, which is why they're so effective.

For decades, the GOP has played by a bunch of sissified "rules" about "good behavior" that the damned libs never observe. The consequence? Constantly losing the war.

Rule #1: don't show up with a knife at a gunfight.

The libs play dirty, and so does Limbaugh. Good for him!

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Monday, October, 19, 2009 1:26 PM Patrick Addison writes:

I sympathize with my wallet

We need to get the Tax gang out of power.

Rush is a big boy and he can handle himself. My concern is that the conservative movement pushes back on this type of offensive maneuvering by the left in this country. I think any unbiased person who examines Rush would not be able to define him definitively as a racist; therefore, it is appalling what the media is doing to him. I do agree that Rush's humor is not what conservatives need when trying to reach minority groups who believe the stereotype of Republicans/conservatives.

I don't want a liberal or moderate next time. I want a real conservative who will be just as ideologically driven as Barack Obama.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 2:09 PM jevica writes:

Patrick Addison

So what type of humor do we need to attract these "minority groups" who are going to support/back/vote for this "real conservative" you want?

Are we to just become the nice guys and let the Democrats/left do the "offensive maneuvering"

Rush is not racist, he is a reliable voice for conservatives, ANYONE who has listened to him knows that. We have to combat the racist falsehoods with the truth.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 7:00 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Perception is reality

"So what type of humor do we need to attract these "minority groups" who are going to support/back/vote for this "real conservative" you want?" We conservatives should conduct focus groups to find out what is acceptable to racial minority groups with regard to humor, if we are truly concerned with getting their vote. There are focus groups conducted on other political issues so why not poll this topic?

"Are we to just become the nice guys and let the Democrats/left do the "offensive maneuvering"" One cannot win most of the time in politics without going on the offensive. I like to win.

"Rush is not racist, he is a reliable voice for conservatives, ANYONE who has listened to him knows that. We have to combat the racist falsehoods with the truth." I agree that Rush is not a racist and I agree that conservatives need to fight falsehoods with truth; but, I disagree with the notion that anyone who has listened to Rush knows he is not a racist. I think that some people who base their opinions on their feelings may erroneously regard Rush as a racist.



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Monday, October, 19, 2009 7:51 PM Sheila writes:

Jev...

Yeah we could always use a perfect candidate, but if we have disagreements we deal with it, we don't let the opposition win. The opposition disagrees with conservatism by 100%!

Look at where we are now! Unless there is a major turn of events (and let's hope there is) we will wind up with this bunch for a second term to finish America off.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:03 PM Sheila writes:

Isaiah...

I think Limbaugh can be funny without being extreme...he would have more impact IMO.

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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:11 PM Sheila writes:

Maureen...

I think Rush uses bad language that he doesn't have to, he says things that are embarrassing, and he could be a more effective conservative spokesperson without all that.

We as conservatives should have higher standards IMO. Rush's actions in not backing our candidate, and jumping on the bash Bush bandwagon doesn't seem to have helped us much in the last election...
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:23 PM Sheila writes:

Maureen...

IMO it's better to be slammed because they hate our conservative principles, period... They will go after conservatives because that is their nature on the left...

Sure people are human, but unfortunately the right is very unforgiving when it comes to major moral failure among their own. That's not what I am talking about.

I'm talking about not giving the opposition fodder for a misunderstood parody, bad comedy. Rush can be funny without being insulting. I did not like the "B the magic N" parody, because unless you are a regular listener you think he thinks those things.

It isn't good for our image as conservatives. Let the Obermans on the left in the msm be the idiots.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:24 PM Sheila writes:

Brian...

I think you can play hardball without playing dirty...
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:25 PM Sheila writes:

And Brian...

I think we should have more class than the left...and not sound like moveon.crud
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:31 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...

I agree...Rush is not a racist, period...and I agree about his humor.

He could do himself and conservatives a favor by just being funny, and not going off the deep end with his parodies, IMO.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 8:32 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...

"Perception is reality"...bingo!
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 9:53 PM jevica writes:

All

Where does Rush "play dirty"

"more class than the left" and we can continue to lose.

Shiela look at the candidate the GOP put up, that is the reason we lost, do it again in 2012 and we will get hammered again. What bad language does Rush use, what deep end with parodies.. You want the right to use a playbook that will ensure a loss in 2012. "B the magic N" take from the LA Times. The left attacks us with out provocation, and with lies, you feel we should just lay down and let them walk over us with out hitting back.

PA do you expect these groups, "racial minority groups" to accept a real conservative, which you say you want. How could anyone who listened to Rush consider him a racist?
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 10:02 PM Jim writes:

No, No, No!

You can't let them do it 180! That's what they want, they want to hold our decency and kindness against us. They use a double standard, They use racism and then accuse us where there is none. They demand we compramise but they never do. Don't fall into their evil trap. What the ydid to Rush is wrong and we should cut them NO SLACK!!!!
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 11:01 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Some people don't listen too well

I do not think voting Democrat/liberal is driven by DNA; therefore, I think that Republicans/conservatives can win critical support from minority voting blocs given the right communication strategy.

One can form illogical conclusions when forming one's opinion based on feelings rather than sound reasoning.
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 11:19 PM Sheila writes:

Jev...

Read Brian's post...I was answering his comment that the left plays dirty and so does Rush...

I don't think we are sissies if we don't use the left's bad manners. We can hit them hard without going to the extremes that Rush does with his dumb parodies.

He uses the D word all the time, and he always has perverted news items to report, which are off color and inappropriate IMO. It's just stuff that is unnecessarily tasteless like that stupid "B the magic N" parody.

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Monday, October, 19, 2009 11:20 PM Sheila writes:

And jev...

I'm not talking about "laying down", or not fighting back!!!!

Can we just have some common sense?
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 11:26 PM Sheila writes:

Jim...

I'm not falling for anything the left says! I have complained about Rush's veering into dumb stuff way before these false accusations came up. I think it stinks that the msm have falsely accused him of racism. they do that to all conservatives, though, that's nothing new.

I'm just saying I would like him to clean up his act. He can be funny, hard hitting and effective without embarrassing himself and the rest of us!
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 11:31 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...

yeah... I think you make a good point. Especially based on the impressions people have of Rush's show who have no clue he is the furthest thing from a racist!
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Monday, October, 19, 2009 11:34 PM Sheila writes:

And Patrick

If the msm and the left are going to lie about what he has said, why give them anything at all that can be misinterpreted?

I just don't think it's the best strategy for winning hearts and influencing people.

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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 12:09 AM BrianR writes:

Well, Sheila


How's that worked out in the past?


Like I said: taking a knife to a gunfight's a sure recipe for defeat. As history has clearly proven.

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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 12:36 AM Sheila writes:

Hey Brian...

Well, how about Ronald Reagan for one? He was always a gentleman! I'll take his example any day! ...;) He had class, a sense of humor and he acted honorably at all times! Even while putting his opponents on the spot!

He da man!
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 12:50 AM Sheila writes:

Btw, Brian

Cute little grandbaby! I remember all your emotions about your daughter's wedding!

How time flies!
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 1:55 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

You want to continue a pattern of action that will ensure losses to a Democrat/left. They will do whatever is necessary to win, and that is something you and P.A. do not seem ready to do.

You want to sniffle one of the most effective conservative voices because you don't seem to like what he has to say some of the time.

This is just what you are calling for; ""laying down", or not fighting back!!!! You seem to feel Rush is being too nasty, can be misunderstood [actually lied about], but remember the left feels he is being too effective [that's why they attack him as they do] and you are playing into their hand and doing what they want.
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 11:18 AM BrianR writes:

Sheila (Part 1)


Thank you; I appreciate that. Yeah, the wedding! Wow, that seems almost like just last week. Time really DOES fly, doesn't it?


Reagan was a very effective communicator, but you're overlooking the fact that HE also relied very heavily on ridicule and mockery:

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress."

"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination."

"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."

"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program."

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 11:18 AM BrianR writes:

Part 2


"I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."

"We are trying to get unemployment to go up, and I think we're going to succeed."

"I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill."

On and on and on. No different from the type of thing Limbaugh does. And really, when you think about it, both are doing the exact same thing Will Rogers did. I see absolutely no problem whatsoever in attacking liberalism and Big Government with mockery, satire, ridicule, rhetoric, or any other type of scorn that it's earned and deserves. It's very effective.

I find myself in a funny position, defending Limbaugh, as I lost all respect for him last election when he caved and ended up supporting McCain.
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 7:26 PM Sheila writes:

Jevica

I have not said one word about Rush shutting up, or going away... just changing his parodies, but i know that won't happen, so we will see how much his influence helps out in the next election...
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 7:30 PM Sheila writes:

And Jevica

Just because you think yours is the right way to do things doesn't mean it's right...look at where we are today.

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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 7:31 PM Sheila writes:

Brian...;)

No, I'm not forgetting. Reagan did a great job. And it was nothing like Rush's approach. No comparison!
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 7:34 PM Sheila writes:

Brian...

Rush's support was too little too late, and not sincere...didn't help Mac one iota.

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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 7:47 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

I took a quick look at my & your comments and I don't think I said that you , "have not said one word about Rush shutting up, or going away"

Just that you want to do the Democrat lefts work and stop Rush from being so effective.

Again you seem to follow the Democrat logic that Rush can dictate how people should vote he can suggest, but its up to who the party puts up as a candidate [local races in the House] and the Senate races.

Rush is a good voice for conservatism, if you don't like what/or how he says what he says don't listen.
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 9:28 PM enemaofthestatistquo writes:

But Patrick Addison...

if we conservatives poll what kind of humor is accceptable to any particular minority group: name one- Blacks, Native Americans, Jews, Asians, Muslims, etc... and when the libtards find out about it they will play the Race Card, and propagandize, and Big Lie, And...
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 9:46 PM enemaofthestatistquo writes:

Our Candidates handed to Us by...

the media any media. Before an important debate in the 2008 elections to be on FOX- yes FOX, "we Report, You Decide", yes that network --- decided they would not invite Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, and Gov. Thompson, ( not The Sen. Thompson, and possibly Ron Paul if memory serves, for whatever reason. They were getting few questions by the media panel and then only on the preceived particuler issue of each. EXample: Tancredo- immigration. But, Huckabee, Sen. Thompson, Guliani, Romney and McCain were invited, if memory serves. Then just after the primary weekend prior to Super Tuesday, these so called leaders: Guliani, Romney, SenThompson withdrew and endoresed McCain without even waiting for the Super Tuesday results. Their reason each was lack of $ to advertise in the ST states, but why couldn't they just sit back and wait for the ST results before withdrawal and endorsing any other candidate. Was the FIX in?
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 9:55 PM Patrick Addison writes:

What is truly necessary?

"You want to continue a pattern of action that will ensure losses to a Democrat/left. They will do whatever is necessary to win, and that is something you and P.A. do not seem ready to do." Permit me to clarify my position. I like to win; therefore, I advocate strategy that supports my desire. I do not care to expend resources supporting what is unnecessary.


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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 10:09 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

Please don't tell me I follow the democrat ideas. Give me a break! Can you read????

I don't like Rush's humor!!! That is it! I think he gives conservatives a bad name!

Some of his parodies are funny but some aren't and can be taken wrong. Get it? That is it. Quit saying I'm doing what the democrats want!

If anyone is doing that it is you who got their guy elected!

This has gotten absolutely ridiculous, IMO.
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 10:13 PM Sheila writes:

jevica

If Rush has been "effective" as you put it, he has been effective for the dems. They are in power. I don't think he is effective in helping conservatives at all.

That is my opinion.
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Tuesday, October, 20, 2009 10:24 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Know and understand the terrain

"if we conservatives poll what kind of humor is accceptable to any particular minority group: name one- Blacks, Native Americans, Jews, Asians, Muslims, etc... and when the libtards find out about it they will play the Race Card, and propagandize, and Big Lie, And..." The Republicans/conservatives need to gain critical support from Blacks and those designated as Hispanics due to their electoral power. I do not disagree that if we start conducting the focus groups that I have suggested, someone will play the race card. They did it in 2008 and will keep doing it regardless to whether we pursue what I have suggested. Moreover these groups are already surveyed. Why not conduct focused political research on what type of political communication will be compelling with regard to local politics, state politics, and national politics? I am not for a one size fits all campaign strategy. Let us hold to our principles but speak to the particular concerns of those we are seeking to persuade.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 12:35 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...

You're right...

It's difficult to persuade people to see the benefits of conservatism if you come across the way I think Rush does. If you don't listen all the time you don't understand what he's doing and it can be taken the wrong way and turn people off who might listen to the message of conservatism and see how it is the best answer for a free country.

The principles can't be taught as well, when you have all the distractions of messages that the silly parodies seem to imply.

It's a simple principle: don't give the enemy sound bites of parodies to use against you, and make you look like something you're not.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 2:40 PM Gunny "knuckles" G© writes:

Sheila

Good post but I disagree. The GOP plainly sucks. In NY they're backing a Dummycrat with an "R" while foregoing the Conservative in the race. Why?

As far as Rush goes, he's down more to educated Conservatives than the GOP ever thought of doing.

Many of us voted for Barr because Juan McShamnesty is a joke. Principles over all.

"The one thing I will say though, is we conservatives should have a higher standard of discourse."

You don't win a street fight with Marquis of Queenbury rules.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 7:33 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Gunny...

Well, yes, Rush has the facts down, but if we continue using the left's approach of no class, bad language, inflammatory dialogue and bad jokes, calling names, we will continue to turn off people instead of winning them over to our cause.

I'm just sayn'... you can be strong without being ugly.

I don't like R's that are liberal either, but think about it. Liberal states elect liberals. Unfortunately you either get a "moderate" republican or a leftwing radical... it smells for sure...

I just think all the silly stuff doesn't get us anywhere. Humor works if it doesn't insult people who might otherwise listen to why conservatism is smart for the country, and for them!
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 7:38 PM Sheila writes:

And Gunny...

It becomes a "gotcha" scenario which never ends. First the left insults you then you insult them and on and on...it just doesn't do anything productive.

It is easy to point out the idiocy of socialism and leftwing lunacy without joining them in the lunacy...;)

Just imagine Rush's show with all the "education" you mentioned, without the sillyness... you can still have humor...wouldn't he have more credibility?

I think he would win more hearts and minds.
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 7:43 PM Sheila writes:

And Gunny...

It's kinda like going out to the street corner and yelling things at people. How many will want to know what you have to say?

Answer: only like minded nut cases...;)
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Wednesday, October, 21, 2009 9:25 PM Tazzmax writes:

Rush is

the great educator for conservatives and he's done more for the party than the Rockefeller/Rino/Gobs ever have.

It's the same 'ol story,..ignore the message and kill the messenger.

How has "pandering" to minorities worked out for repubs?
Not too well, huh?

The fact is, whether we like it or not,...most minorities will vote demonRAT because of their entitlement mentality and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do,.....Rush is just playing by the same rules as the leftists.

I didn't like it though when Rush caved and supported McScamnesty,...I was surprised and disappointed.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 1:08 AM Sheila writes:

Tazzmax...

Well, since you were disappointed that "too little too late Rush" supported Mac, you should be happy he didn't win.

I used to be Rush's greatest fan, but I got tired of his silly parodies and veering off into never never land.

Mark Levin is really a lot better than Rush and he doesn't do all the dumb stuff Rush does. Medved, Huett, Prager, Elder, Hedgecock for instance do a much better job, IMO.

Oh well, guess Rush will never change, and neither will you guys who think you will ever get a perfect candidate. Hope you like what the country looks like by the end of this guys term.

You may just have helped bring the country to her knees. You sound like a Brian/Jevica/brainwashed clone. You guys are all like the left, parroting the same talking points...
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:34 AM BrianR writes:

(((((((( sigh ))))))))


"You may just have helped bring the country to her knees. You sound like a Brian/Jevica/brainwashed clone. You guys are all like the left, parroting the same talking points..."

No, Sheila, let's place the responsibility where it really belongs.

The Dems have a registration rate of 35% of the electorate, very stable. The GOP's portion has fallen to 26% from about 37%. Where have those people gone? They've become Independants, as I have. Why? Because the GOP no longer represents their values.

To paraphrase Reagan: the GOP left THEM.

What did the Tea Parties show us? That there's a very large swath of Americans fed up with BOTH parties and their big-spending ways. Those Tea Parties weren't some GOP phenomenon. As a matter of fact, at the very few events where a GOPer even dared show up, he was usually booed right out of the area.

Your "strategy" of electing just any old GOPer no matter how bad he/she is on policy is simply making the GOP ever more irrelevant to the political reality of this country. It's a repetition of the same historical arc the WHIGs followed into extinction, when they were replaced by the original GOP back in the 1860s. A refusal to pay attention to the base; a refusal to stand for principles; a party-uber-alles mentality that demanded nothing of its members other than an oath of party fealty.

That's a sure-fire recipe for defeat, as we saw in last year's election -- a repeat of Clinton/Dole -- in which a party hack who had nothing to do with the purported principles of the GOP was its nominee. No wonder he got spanked. Hell, if Palin -- as weak as she is -- hadn't been recruited as his running mate, he'd have been absolutely slaughtered, like Dukakis was. She was the bone thrown to conservatives. It didn't work. It was seen as the cynical political ploy it was.



The only person here "parroting talking points" is YOU, parroting GOP-loyalist dogma.

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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 6:10 PM Tazzmax writes:

Brian

amen,.....Sheila=political hack!
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 6:43 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

"73% of GOP Voters Say Congressional Republicans Have Lost Touch With Their Base"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/gen eral_politics/october_2009/73_of_gop_voters_say_congression al_republicans_have_lost_touch_with_their_base

"Just 15% of Republicans who plan to vote in 2012 state primaries say the party’s representatives in Congress have done a good job of representing Republican values."

"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 73% think Republicans in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters from throughout the nation. Twelve percent (12%) are undecided."

"These numbers are basically unchanged from a survey in late April."
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 7:18 PM Tazzmax writes:

Jev,

thanks for the stats,....I knew they were bad, but not that bad!

And yet the GOP/RINOs refuse to face the facts!
Hell, even Ray Charles could see that!

Bottom line, they refuse to listen to the base, and trying the same 'ol thing over and over, {defining insanity}, and try to "out lib" the demo-RATs.

What a fine recipe for losing over and over!

Until they get back their conservatism, they'll always be the minority party.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:17 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

You crack me up! I could care less about "party" it's the country I'm concerned about. You guys are the ones worried about the party first. You want to make it in your image, and it will never happen...

I hope it works out for you and you manage to make the party 100% perfect before everything falls apart...



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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:26 PM Cynewulf writes:

Sheila, I would encourage you

to take a look at what's going down in NY's 23rd district. Your philosophy would have you side with the RNC picked Republican candidate who is further left than the Dem candidate (and has actually been endorsed by Kos). Meanwhile, Palin has endorsed the third party candidate because he is conservative. I have all the info here if you are interested:

http://exeter.blogtownhall.com/2009/10/22/palin_endorses_ho ffman.thtml

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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:31 PM Sheila writes:

Sorry Tazz

You don't know what you're talking about. The GOP like it or not is the best party from which to work to get conservative values in government.

Unlike those who think losing is winning, I believe we are better off working from strength in the majority and dealing with the party problems while we have some power.

There's not a darn thing you can do right now with the dem majority. And we may just have them for another 40 years (or longer) to finish the job they started ruining the country.

In the GOP there will always be a lot of independent thinking. Nobody walks in lock step.

But hey, if you like the change we have right now, you're the man.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:36 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

I guess you're going to have dems in power for a long long time. Hope you enjoy your future, cause it ain't lookin too good right now.

If you think you're better off right now, then more power to ya.
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Thursday, October, 22, 2009 11:40 PM Sheila writes:

And Jevica

What is your plan?
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 12:04 AM Sheila writes:

Hey Cynewulf!

I always prefer having a conservative candidate! But how do you control who runs? Third party candidates... I don't know...

In liberal areas it is really tough to run a conservative candidate...we'll see what happens.

I don't know about you but I don't like being in the powerless minority, watching the country go down the tubes, and our sovereignty threatened, the dollar tanking, the world becoming more dangerous by the second, and China calling the shots...scary times...
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 1:37 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

Either it's, "I could care less about "party" it's the country I'm concerned about." Or "The GOP like it or not is the best party from which to work to get conservative values in government."

If you look at the candidate the GOP put up in the NY-23 special [House] election, you can see the GOP is not putting up a conservative candidate, they are putting up a liberal candidate in a "Red" district.

My "plan" is [as I have often said] recruit and support more conservative candidates to run on the Republican line.

If we have the Democrats in power longer it because of the GOP party leaders, who feel they can put up and RINO/liberal/Rockefeller Republican and they will get voted for. As you can see buy the numbers Republican voters don't see their Congressional leaders as being in touch with the party base.

You confuse things again, you want to bring in "moderates" [whatever they believe] and candidates who don't care about spending and tax cuts. There are certain policies that used to distinguish the parties if we start running candidates that are Democrat-lite, people will vote for the real Democrat every time.
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 12:46 PM BrianR writes:

Puh-leeze...


"I could care less about 'party' it's the country I'm concerned about..."


That's sheer sophistry, a meaningless jingo.

As far as I can see, you'd vote for Pelosi if she switched parties.

And if you say you WOULDN'T, then you prove MY point.

Nobody's looking for "perfect" candidates, though you certainly looooove to make that statement. More sophistry.

I note you couldn't even respond to what I wrote about the GOP's ever shrinking membership rolls. Why do you think people are simply voting with their feet, and leaving your party? You think they've all turned into liberal Kool-Aid drinkers?

You can certainly console yourself with that idea, though it certainly doesn't conform to any common sense or human nature, since Dem membership isn't increasing.

As Cyne and Jev pointed out, the NY race is a perfect microcosm of this whole debate. It clearly highlights the vapidity of the GOP, and its essential irrelevancy to the issue of conservatism per se.

To the GOP, it's only about "winning". It doesn't matter to them that they haven't won ANYTHING when they've simply become part of the other ideological team.

You seem to think that simnply having a majority will somehow ensure better, more conservative government. I'd simply point to the Bush years as the refutation of THAT particular idea.

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Friday, October, 23, 2009 7:08 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Republican conservative play makers

I want Republicans to be voted into office that will do away with the 'pedophile protection act', and repeal the current health care legislation if it is enacted. Therefore I want Republicans who will be just as ideologically driven as Obama, and those who qualify for the epithet RINO will not suffice.
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 7:25 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Post partisan what?

Has anyone noticed that our present White House administration is anything but post partisan? It is ironic how the media slams Rush but will not even cover the outrageous comments of people within the White House administration with the power of government at their disposal.
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 7:30 PM Cynewulf writes:

Hey, Sheila!

Sorry I didn't get an appropriate greeting in last post (was short on time). Good to see that your blog is still up and running.

Things have changed in the last few years. The old formulas don't work anymore. NY 23 is the perfect example of that. You said, "In liberal areas it is really tough to run a conservative candidate," but that's the thing; it's not a liberal area. It's a red district and Republicans have been winning there with 60% of the vote. And yet, the RNC picks Scozz. You said, "But how do you control who runs?" And that's just the thing. There were several conservatives who wanted in, but The Scozz got the nod. So, when you can't control who the RNC runs, you vote for someone else in hopes that they will listen to you next time. Otherwise, they'll just keep picking people you don't like because you'll vote for them anyway. You said, "I don't know about you but I don't like being in the powerless minority..." I don't see it that way. If that were the case, government health care, cap and trade, etc. would all have passed by now. The minority always has some sort of power. When the Dems were in the minority, they were a constant thorn in our side. The question is, how would you like being in a powerless majority? Don't get me wrong; I think we can have a powerful majority but not by ceding our power to the far left regions of our party. When your vote is taken for granted, you've already lost your power.
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Friday, October, 23, 2009 7:30 PM Cynewulf writes:

Hey, Sheila! Part II

Take a look at what Palin said:

"Doug Hoffman stands for the principles that all Republicans should share: smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, and a commitment to individual liberty.

"Political parties must stand for something. When Republicans were in the wilderness in the late 1970s, Ronald Reagan knew that the doctrine of "blurring the lines" between parties was not an appropriate way to win elections. Unfortunately, the Republican Party today has decided to choose a candidate who more than blurs the lines, and there is no real difference between the Democrat and the Republican in this race. This is why Doug Hoffman is running on the Conservative Party's ticket.

"Republicans and conservatives around the country are sending an important message to the Republican establishment in their outstanding grassroots support for Doug Hoffman: no more politics as usual."

NY23 is where the rubber meets the road on the GOP vs. conservatives war. I encourage you to read up on it.
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Saturday, October, 24, 2009 9:18 PM Tazzmax writes:

Sorry Sheila.

you're DEAD WRONG!
If we keep voting in RINOs, it will be the same 'ol BS over and over!

As Brian said,...take a look at the "BOOSH" years,....the RINOs were in the maj for almost 8 years and didn't a damn thing other that "kissin demo-RAT ***!

They, along with BOOSH, could have stopped the outrageous Fannie and Freddie CRA scams, but noooo, they had to listen to the likes of "Bawney Fwank" and "Chris Dodd"!

And that is just scratching the surface of the "high crimes and misdemeanors" by the sorry bastiges!

They're no better than the "RATs".

Until the rethugs return to conservativism,...they'll remain "minority" forever,...or better yet, completely die out as a legit party.

So, just keep on holding your nose and voting for RINOs aka McScamnesty, HaySeed Grahamnesty, ScuzzyFuzzy and the like and see where it gets you.

GOP/GOB/Rockefeller country club RINOs,.....RIP!
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 12:47 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

"The most urgent task for conservatives is building a logical, consistent vision to place before the voters. They’re looking for a comprehensive explanation of why Democrat policies are wrong. They can see Obama’s failures all around them, but in the absence of a compelling narrative from the opposition party, they’re likely to conclude those failures were inevitable, and learn to accept them. If no one presents a coherent alternative to socialism, it wins by default, because too much of the political and media culture desires it. We’ve already tumbled far past the point where anyone views the Constitution as even a speed bump, let alone a barrier to socialist ambition. The principles embodied in that incredible document will perish, if they are not respected, explained, and defended."

"A party that supports Scozzafava over Hoffman cannot mount that defense. They can’t run candidates to the left of the Democrats, then expect a spellbound audience when they explain why the Democrats are wrong. This is not a question of rigid idealism, or remaining a “perfect minority.” The voters, including the fabled “moderates,” need to be persuaded, not pandered to. Running a liberal squish in a largely conservative district will not cause moderate voters to squeal with excitement over the billowing expanse of the GOP’s enormous tent, and rush to see what other wonders might be hidden inside."
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 1:59 PM PDX Dave writes:

Rhinos

I find that most (though certainly not all) people who bat about the term "rhino" are unrealistically strident. They tend to think that you aren't a true Republican unless you act like the Democrats are acting now - as if the other 1/2 of the country doesn't exist.

While their ideals may be in the right place most of the time, they accomplish little else than creating stalemates and enemies.

Democrats tend more toward Fascism specifically because of this intolerant tendency.

Republicans are less pedantic and more tolerant because we are A) realistic and B) believers in freedom of thought. We don't require rigid adherence to a proscribed ideology, as Democrats do.

When I see a person who demonizes another for deviance of ideological thought, that person drops a notch or two in my eyes.

I remember well how hard-liners called Reagan a Rhino, which raises the question - was there EVER a Republican politician who was not a Rhino in their eyes?
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 2:59 PM Cynewulf writes:

Dave,

Is there anything to being a Republican, or does simply registering as one put you inside the tent?
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 3:18 PM jevica writes:

Sheila

Realized I did not supply link to my 12:47PM comment;

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/25/rogue-stars-rising/

Thanks Cynewulf

***********************************************

This is part of an op-ed by the Conservative party candidate in the NY-23 special election,

It's all here;

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/take_ba ck_the_party_ASPo06GnWtIO2Wsstyd3NM/0

" . . . And if the GOP picks liberal candidates for the midterm congressional elections next year, they may find that there are a lot more people out there like me who won’t go along. We are not going to win by becoming more like the Democrats. We’re going to win by standing up for our beliefs."

"It’s principle over party."

"It’s a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party. It’s a fight for fiscal responsibility and the return of common sense to those who govern us."
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 3:24 PM BrianR writes:

PDXDave



"When I see a person who demonizes another for deviance of ideological thought, that person drops a notch or two in my eyes."

What, exactly, is that supposed to mean? it sounds like empty rhetoric to me.

Are you saying that elections AREN'T about ideology? What are they about then, if not to advance one's ideological and philosophical goals?

Are they simply a meaningless team sport predicated on the jersey one wears? Blue for Dem, Red for GOP, and nothing of any greater significance than that?


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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 6:28 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Read both sides of the debate for the GOP [in the same state].

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/77684.html

"South Carolina: A central front in battle for GOP soul"

"The national debate among Republicans over their party's future is nowhere sharper than in South Carolina, where Sens. Lindsey Graham and Jim DeMint pursue distinctly different visions for restoring GOP primacy at the polls."
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 9:54 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

What is this about the GOP "putting up" candidates? I never understood that statement. Whoever runs, runs on their own, not because the GOP "put them up".

It's a free country, Jev, YOU can run! Then it's up to the people to VOTE.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 9:55 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

I'm not "confused". I don't want moderates if I can have a conservative.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 9:59 PM Sheila writes:

And jev...

The "democrat light" thing is getting a little old.

No one can control who runs, or control what they believe. Get me a conservative anytime, but in liberal states conservatives usually don't win! I can't do anything about that, Jev.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:14 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

Paleez is right...

I want to have a majority conservatives... that is the ultimate plus. Get it????

However, in an imperfect world you go for as many as you can get. Right now we have NO conservatives in the majority.Therefore=NO CONSERVATIVE IDEAS WINNING.

The goal: More conservatives, a GOP majority, no radicals making law.

I love the way you throw words like sophistry around...I'm so impressed.

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with my statement. Unlike you, and all the people who seem to think leaving the party does a single positive thing for the country just to "prove something to the party" here's a news flash: all it does is, it hurts the country and helps the dems.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:20 PM Sheila writes:

And Brian...

No, I don't think that "simply having a majority " is the answer. WORKING from a majority is. Not having a majority only helps the radicals as we are seeing now, and only hurts the country.

Weeding out the bad seeds while having a majority is a lot better strategy than being in the minority and having the marxist agenda moving forward in one giant leap.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:22 PM Sheila writes:

And Brian...

Why would I encourage the leftists by being an "independent"? It means nothing, and only gives them a leg up on their agenda.

IMO, "independent" is a cop out.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:24 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Is a special election in that Congressional District. No primary, the party leaders got together and PUT UP that candidate on the GOP line.

I thought you wanted to attract others into the GOP to help them win elections.

"The "democrat light" thing is getting a little old" [could be you don't like it because it's true?]

That's just what's wrong with the party, if we get a candidate not much different from the Democrats [Democrat lite], the voters will vote for the real on every time.

" . . . in liberal states conservatives usually don't win" and what then? Do we run candidates like Specter, Collins, Snowe, and Graham? And get RINOs who we can't count on to vote with the party? Or McCain pro cap and trade, pro immigration, McCain/Feingold, gang of 14.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:27 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Cyne...thanks...;)

Who gave the "nod" to her candidacy?
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:34 PM Sheila writes:

And Cyne

Why didn't Hoffman run as a Republican? This "Independent" thing is dumb. Why would the GOP back an Independent candidate?

I agree with Palin's statement about Reagan. But Reagan left the democrats and went to the other major party not a third party.

The country works better with two parties. If you end up with third party candidates it gives more power to the left, and gives them a permanent victory. Not good.
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:38 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Dave!!! Right on!

EXACTLY! You nailed it! Yes! I agree 100%
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:43 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

May the most conservative win!
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Sunday, October, 25, 2009 10:50 PM Sheila writes:

Tazzmax...

Hey man, lighten up! If it's all about the party for you that's OK with me! I care more about the country!

And btw, we were far better off with Bush even though I didn't agree with everything he did. Most of what he did was fantastic. Tax cuts, conservative supreme court nominees, pro life policies, pro family policies, pro national security/military policies, fighting the terrorists on their turf and keeping the on the run and away from here. Not to mention how the economy survived after 9-11 due to his policies, and that's just for starters.

And btw, I would appreciate a little more respectful dialogue about president Bush on my blog.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 12:43 AM jevica writes:

Dave

Yah and what/who do we get;

Collins, Snowe [Maine] Specter, PA so good a RINO he went Democrat, Grahm [no dependable Republican]

McCain pro cap and trade, pro immigration, McCain/Feingold, gang of 14.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 12:50 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

Bush signed McCain/Feingold hoping the SCOTUS would strike it down. BAD on immigration. Spending by the GOP outrageous, all bailouts.

SCOTUS by Bush [43]; John Roberts and Samuel Alito good, but Alito nominated only because Harriet Miers withdrew because she had significant opposition.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 12:55 AM Cynewulf writes:

Shiela,

follow the links on my blog, and read up on it. It's a special election, as Jev said, and there was no primary; hence, Hoffman couldn't run as a Republican. The issue is that given the fact that they could have run anyone in this district (it's a red district that gives the R 65% of the vote), the powers that be chose to hand pick a candidate who is arguably further to the left of the Dem that's running. Please do read up on it.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 1:03 AM Cynewulf writes:

As for who gave her the nod,

that would be Janet Duprey.

"Duprey has since acknowledged that her delegation had wanted Maroun as their nominee, admitting that “the Clinton County committee members… voted for the candidate they supported. Paul Maroun received the majority of the votes.” Janet Duprey later justified her shift by saying that 'it was clear that Dede was the winner… Everyone wants a winner.'"

She has an interesting idea of who a winner is.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 1:34 AM PDX Dave writes:

Real vs label

You wouldn't have to argue with me much to convince me Arlen Specter was a rhino. Well, "$5 ho" would be a better term....

But "rhino" is tacked to everyone to the left of John Birch.

From the time Republicans organized to free the slaves, we've been a cobbled-together group of people who don't agree on much. But on the key things, we agree, and generally so does the rest of America.

Pining for a return to an all encompassing unity in the GOP is pining for something that has never existed before. I hope it never exists in the future. Let the Democrats be the masters of mind control and "shunning" people who deviate from the party line.

{btw... I didn't feel like arguing with my spellcheck over rino vs rhino... so I let spellcheck win. See? Compromise can be good!}



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Monday, October, 26, 2009 12:38 PM Sheila writes:

Cyne and Jevica

I agree with Dave.

I can't believe people don't seem concerned about what is happening to our country, while we argue about every minute issue we might disagree on.
I'm worried we will get a global climate agreement that will basically override our Constitution...

Btw, Rush will be on Fox Sunday. I hope he doesn't make a fool of himself.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 12:40 PM Sheila writes:

Dave...

You are exactly right...well said.

And btw, I got a nice laugh over your spell check comment...;)
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 1:54 PM jevica writes:

PDX Dave

"But on the key things, we agree, and generally so does the rest of America."

Vote against Bush tax cuts [twice] McCain campaign finance reform, vote for Democrat Senate health care bill, Snow [in committee]

In the impeachment of Clinton, Snowe and Collins voted to acquit, believing that while Clinton had broken the law by committing perjury. Collins was one of the three Republican Senators to oppose the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. Collins was one of fourteen senators to forge a compromise on the Democrats' use of the judicial filibuster.

Another big RINO while in the Senate, was former Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. The most liberal Republican in the Senate during his time in office, and was defeated in the general election by Democrat Sheldon [2006]. The RNC strongly supported his primary battle and reelection attempt in 2006. After he said he would not vote for Bush [43]

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Monday, October, 26, 2009 1:58 PM jevica writes:

PDX Dave more

Specter drew a conservative primary election opponent in Rep. Pat Toomey, Specter was supported by the GOP establishment including President George W. Bush. This support helped Specter win by a narrow 17,000-vote margin. Now he's a Democrat.

Top 10 RINOs in the Senate; March 11, 2009)
1. Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine)
2. Sen. Susan Collins (Maine)
3. Sen. Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania)
4. Sen. George Voinovich (Ohio)
5. Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
6. Sen. Mel Martinez (Florida)
7. Sen. John McCain (Arizona)
8. Sen. Richard Lugar (Indiana)
9. Sen. Robert Bennett (Utah)
10. Sen. Thad Cochran (Mississippi)

Arlen Specter has since in fact become a Democrat. Mel Martinez resigned his seat in September 2009

Top 10 RINOs in the House of Representatives?
October 12, 2005).
1. Rep. Christopher Shays (Connecticut)
2. Rep. Michael Castle (Delaware)
3. Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (New York)
4. Rep. Mark Kirk (Illinois)
5. Rep. Jim Kolbe (Arizona) (tied for 5th)
6. Rep. Rob Simmons (Connecticut) (tied for 5th)
7. Rep. Wayne Gilchrest (Maryland) (tied for 7th)
8. Rep. Jim Leach (Iowa) (tied for 7th)
9. Rep. Mary Bono (California) (tied for 9th)
10. Rep. Nancy Johnson (Connecticut) (tied for 9th)

"But "rhino" is tacked to everyone to the left of John Birch." Not quite correct.

The term implies that, despite party affiliation, RINO politicians are not "authentic" Republicans. The label is usually acquired because a politician's political actions, policies, positions on certain issues or voting records are considered to be at variance with core Republican beliefs or Republican partisanship.

It is used by those who believe that the party's core beliefs are conservative (or right) and therefore that politicians are not true Republicans unless they adhere to conservative (right wing) beliefs.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 2:44 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

I can't believe you want those on the other side of your argument to just accept whoever is put on the ballot because they have an R after their name. Do you expect us to give up our principles and what we believe to vote for people like Specter, Collins, Snowe and Chafee? This is what we get with the big tent idea.

We get Liberal Republicans and Rockefeller Republicans. Also "moderates", such as George H. W. Bush, who had run for president on the stance that Reagan's Conservative platform was "voodoo economics".

We got the candidate you want and look what happened, why do you still want to get more like him to run[?]. McCain was the worst nominee since Dole.

" . . . minute issue we might disagree on." This is those of us that don't follow the "big tent" idea of the party [and how you feel about the GOP & it's future] are attacked as "don't seem concerned about what is happening to our country," and like comments, because we have beliefs that differ from yours [and voice them]
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 5:18 PM BrianR writes:

Sheila, what you CONTINUALLY


fail to understand or accept is the plain fact and clear historical evidence that your "strategy" DOES NOT WORK.

Saying you want to "build a majority" and THEN go for conservatism is like saying that BECAUSE the light went on you flicked the switch. You've got everything backwards.

The GOP has been following your strategy for several years now at the national level. What are your results? Losing the presidency and both houses of Congress while at the same time losing over a third of your party membership.

And don't say those people became liberals. They didn't; they became Independants, because that's where the numbers show they went. The very same people attending Tea Parties and townhall meetings and raising hell.

Here in Commiefornia, that "strategy" gives us a clown like Schitzenheader and a bunch of liberals in Sacramento calling themselves "Republicans". There are ma-a-a-aybe about a half dozen or fewer real conservatives in that town. It's given us a GOP in permanent minority status.

Great strategy.

The historical evidence is crystal clear: when the GOP RUNS ON traditional conservatism, it wins, and usually big. 1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000. When it runs on "moderation", it loses: 1976, 1992, 1996, 2006, 2008.

What you want to do is continue the same action -- standing for nothing other than being "not as bad as THEM!" -- while somehow expecting a different outcome.

You know what Einstein said about that.

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Monday, October, 26, 2009 5:26 PM BrianR writes:

PS, Sheila


You completely dodged my question:


Would you vote for Pelosi if she changed parties?

Would you?

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Monday, October, 26, 2009 6:55 PM Tazzmax writes:

Brian,

Heehee, I'd bet big money that Sheila WOULD vote for Pigliosi if she changed parties!

To some people, all that matters is the red jersey vs. the blue jersey and the facts be damned!



Oh BTW Sheila, I wasn't being disrespectful of your hero, "BOOSH", I was simply telling the truth,...can't you face the truth?
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 6:56 PM Cynewulf writes:

Sheila,

"I agree with Dave.
I can't believe people don't seem concerned about what is happening to our country, while we argue about every minute issue we might disagree on.
I'm worried we will get a global climate agreement that will basically override our Constitution...
Btw, Rush will be on Fox Sunday. I hope he doesn't make a fool of himself."

Lol, sounds like you're dodging NY23. I'm going to disagree and say that NY23, rather than being a minute issue, is of major importance to conservatives, to Republicans, and, therefore, to our country. It's little things like NY23 that add up together to become big things. The global climate agreement over-riding our Constitution is a bit of hyperbole, I believe, but, nevertheless, it looks like we'll be saved from that fiasco by China and India. Btw, Pawlenty is aboard the Hoffman train now. So, I encourage you to actually look at NY23 and see what you think about it. It might even make for a good blog post. As for Rush, it's a free country; he can make a fool out of himself if he wants, though, like you, I'd rather him not. But, either way, that's really a minute issue.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 11:38 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jev...

Man oh man you are like a dog on a bone...;)

You know, let's face it. you don't get it. You keep saying things like "candidates you want" which is bogus. The candidates I want are like Reagan, so get me a few, will ya? Maybe you can pull some out of a hat.

I guess what I say goes in one ear and out the other, so why repeat it again.

But for the 100th time...I won't under any circumstance allow the leftist marxist radicals to win an election because I don't get the candidate I want. You will. End of story.
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Monday, October, 26, 2009 11:49 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

You are kidding of course right? My strategy doesn't work...who's strategy got us a majority radical marxists running the country? Not mine...that would be yours...;)

My strategy is to vote for conservatives where there is one to vote for that has a chance of winning. I don't plan who runs, who becomes the candidate, but I do plan who I absolutely won't vote for and that is a radical leftists, nor will I vote for a third party candidate.

Only in a rare case like the one Cyne mentioned might I go for a third party candidate, but if he or she is in the teens, with no possibility of winning I probably wouldn't.

So we simply disagree on what is best for the country, but based on where we are right now, your strategy isn't looking too good...

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Monday, October, 26, 2009 11:54 PM Sheila writes:

And Brian...

Ha! Would I vote Pelosi... that's cute. You get the comedian of the year award for Townhall comedy hour.

If Pelosi were the only choice, I think I would go jump off a bridge! LOL
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 12:03 AM Sheila writes:

Hey tazzmax

Yeah man, Pelosi is just the candidate I would pick...she is fantastic! That's why I have written so many blogs about how great she is, man.

You can call Bush names all day. It shows you have no class. If you can't abide by my requests on my blog it just shows you aren't worth my time.

Good luck over the next decade. Hope your hatred for Bush pays off, because you may not like the hope and change you get.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 12:33 AM Sheila writes:

Hey Cyne...

I've seen NY23 on the news...yes it stinks. I don't always like what happens in politics... wish it would always go the way I would want. Of course it is pathetic to have a rotten candidate. We'll see what happens.

And yes it is a free country for now... and that isn't a "minute" issue, and neither is the possibility of climate change treaty, from what I am hearing. When the Britts are worried about this president signing it, you know there could be a major problem. I'm surprised you haven't heard about it and the upcoming climate summit.

As to Rush, if you hadn't noticed this post was about him...;) I think he's been making a fool of himself, and by default all of us conservatives.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 12:50 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

Did you want McCain or did you settle and vote for him?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 12:56 AM Sheila writes:

To all the Bush bashers here on TH

GET A LIFE.

You people are lucky you weren't a terrorism casualty here in the US thanks to Bush's policies.

You can keep it up if you want to waste your time, but I have no respect for the Bush haters, so your words will not accomplish anything here.

I didn't agree with everything Bush did, and won't agree with all conservatives in the future 100% of the time, but this hatred coming from conservatives is pathetic.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 1:00 AM Sheila writes:

Jevica

I voted for Mac because he was the best man for the job up against a radical America hater. No he wasn't my first choice, but as in life, things don't always go exactly as I would prefer.

I think I have only said this 1000 times...
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 1:23 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

I neither wanted McCain or would settle for him regardless.

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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 7:49 AM Nee writes:

Sheila

I have never posted. But answer this:
If the election results were 53% for The Pied Piper and 46% for the Pied Piper white, how is it that those who voted third party led to having a Marxist in power?

Because, 1,250,000 people actually voted third party, and there were many who didn't vote at all. I bleieve because they chose not to do the 'lesser of two evils' thing.

What you are saying makes no sense. Bush was wrong on many things, but I believe I would rather have him as President, even now. You are castigating everyone here simply because they did not vote republican or because they disagree with many of Bush's decisions. This is not objective or helpful to your cause.

I personally don't hate Bush, but the liberals do and voted for Obama based on that, not because he was the man for the job. I don't know many conservatives who Hate Bush in the sense you suggest, either.

We have a life and at the moment, still have a Country and a republic. Soon, we may not. But I am an SCDS'er, after all. You can condemn and ridicule your commenters if you must.
I daresay, you sound like The Pied Piper and are against dissent if we don't play by your rules.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 12:09 PM BrianR writes:

Non-answer answer


Why do you keep avoiding my question? Would you vote for Pelosi if she changed parties?

That's a valid question. If you would, then clearly all you care about is party labels. If you wouldn't, then you're conceding that my position is correct, and the VALUES represented by a candidate do count.

So... would you?


As to your other comment, your response COMPLETELY ignores all the evidence I specifically referred to in my comment. So, in essence, you're simply denying history and empirical fact.

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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 12:52 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

So, it seems, you settled for McCain.

Did you have to ignore/give up any of your principles, beliefs [as a conservative] to cast that vote?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 1:14 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

I am no Bush [43] hater, as you know, but the GOP [Bush included] spent money like crazy. The entire bail outs [by Bush] should never have been done, let the companies/and banks fail.

The entire eight years of Bush saw the majority of the GOP spending like crazy, unprecedented [till the BHO crowd got in.

Tazz & Brian call it like it is, the spending by Bush and the GOP [in Congress] was toooo much.

No one mentioned about the WOT, or Bush keeping us safe at home, so why bring it up?

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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 2:40 PM Sheila writes:

Nee

I agree with Thomas Sowell who said before the election it was not a good time to have a rookie in the White House and it was not smart to take out your frustrations with the party in a national election of critical proportions.

So I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and see where we wind up, and who was right: me or you...;)

Rush is all over this admin for the leftists things they are doing! Well duhuh...that's what radical leftists do when they have all power! If you can't get behind our candidate though not perfect, then don't cry when the inevitable happens.

Those who voted third party or who sat out the vote or voted dem have the results of their choice. That's all I'm saying, like it or not.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 2:55 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

I thought you were smarter than that! LOL! You have got to be kidding would I vote for Pelosi. Would you? Give me a break. Of course not, and spare me the line about Mac or anyone else who has nothing to do with this current scenario we are in.

As I said to Nee, I agree with Thomas Sowell on this. Critical national elections are not a time to vent frustrations with the party, and allow a rookie to win the White House.

Past evidence...is just that, past evidence. Who did you vote for in all those instances?

Btw, based on your strategy we are now a powerless minority. Good huh?

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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 2:55 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Remember the lesser of two evils is still evil
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 2:57 PM Sheila writes:

Jevica

Why bring it up????Because it just happened to be the most important thing that happened in W's admin.

The spending wasn't my choice of decisions, but come on, how do you like the spending now?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 2:58 PM Sheila writes:

Jevica

Sorry, Mac isn't evil. You crack me up.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 2:59 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

If you would not vote for Pelosi [as a Republican] as it looks, even though you don't say in words you would not, then values/principles, etc. must mean something to you. This is what I [and others] have been saying all along.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 3:03 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Can't you figure the point that was being made by what I say there, I don't actually mean McCain is evil, but just to vote for him because BHO is so bad is [to me] unacceptable.

BTW

So, it seems, you settled for McCain.

Did you have to ignore/give up any of your principles, beliefs [as a conservative] to cast that vote?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 3:04 PM Nee writes:

Sheila

You are not answering the question. Did 1.2 million people sway the election or not?

And your reference to us being powerless is nuts. The GOP IS powerless. We have no one to lead and it's clear who was NOT up for the job. But we the people are not the powerless ones. You are weak if you choose to just vote straight party line to save the party.

Did it ever occur to you that knocking them off the pedestal could be more effective than just simply taking the easy way out and voting 'R'? I'm guessing not, since you keep ignoring questions from Brian.

Take off the RCG's, you aren't in Kansas, anymore.

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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 5:43 PM Tazzmax writes:

Sheila

where in my comments have I said I hate BOOSH?
However, I've never liked his RINO policies and I knew from the start that he was just an "anointed one" of the GOB/GOP/Rockefeller RINO/robber barons!

Compassionate conservativism,?......Blah!= Out lib the libs!

Calling patriotic Americans "vigilanties"?....because we didn't like illegal immigration!......Blah!

Wanting to cram amnesty down Americas' throat!....Blah!

Insulting American workers by saying "illegals were just doing the work that we wouldn't do",....at SLAVE wages of course, to please his robber baron masters at the USCC!...Blah.


Twiddling his thumbs with a PC war in Iraq,{refusing to take the gloves off},....which should have been over in less than 4 years!.....Blah...


BOOSH and his RINO majority spent like drunken sailors,...never saw a govt expansion of power they didn't like?....Blah!

Are you trying to tell us that this is conservativism?

The rethug/RINOs have hi-jacked the party.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 6:23 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

Is this Rush making a fool of himself?

""If you want to be a moderate or a liberal, be a Democrat. If you want to be a Republican and you want to win, be a conservative." -- Rush"
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 8:02 PM Sheila writes:

Jevica...

I'm afraid you and your buddies have lost it. You've gone nutty.

Hey we disagree on getting leftwing radicals elected. You and everyone who sat out the vote and voted third party and voted dem are now getting what you wanted. So suck it up and take it!...;)

I for one am very happy to have voted for Mac/Palin, and in life you sometimes don't get exactly what you wanted... and no dear Jev, I didn't settle. I knew Mac was the best man for the job.

And you must love Pelosi, since you keep asking if I would vote for her if she changed parties...such a silly hypothetical it's not worth a response, since that woman doesn't deserve anyone's vote.

You guys have gotten totally weird on me...it must be halloween...LOL
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 8:10 PM Sheila writes:

And Jev...

Rush at his worst and embarrassing himself is when he does parodies like" B the magic N". People who don't know him can take that totally the wrong way, and it is not smart. Even though it was a leftist who made the comment in the first place, if you don't know that, it sounds really bad.


Rush is at his best when he is making serious political commentary, and going after the left.

And Jev, you're so cute with your little "gotcha" questions...you are really funny...LOL

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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 8:16 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Tazzmax

Name me one president that did everything you agreed with 100
%.

The problem with the way we as conservatives are coming across with this kind of stuff, is we are sounding like moveon.urg of the right.

I didn't like some things Bush did either, but most of what he did, I really am glad he did, as I have said before.

I think we should be able to disagree about things without sounding like a bunch of 8th graders calling names, don't you?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 11:08 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Sheila

"Rush at his worst and embarrassing himself is when he does parodies like" B the magic N". People who don't know him can take that totally the wrong way, and it is not smart. Even though it was a leftist who made the comment in the first place, if you don't know that, it sounds really bad."

The aforementioned parody appeals to a certain segment of conservatives, but it is absolutely counterproductive with regard to minority recruitment to the cause of conservatism. I agree that Rush is a great voice for conservatism and that he can be a greater voice for conservatism if he stops airing questionable parodies with regard to race.

BTW Do you like the new Republican National Committee website?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 11:22 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Conservatism with a spine

After past conservative resurgence within the Republican Party have we ever been able to turn back the clock on big government welfare programs? I don't know of any big government welfare programs conservatives have stripped from the government in the past. I know we still have Social Security and Medicare. Conservative Republicans still have not done away with the IRS. I did not vote for McCain but I am worried that conservative Republicans will not have the will to dismantle the health care legislation if it is enacted. How soon do you think we can get enough conservatives in the Republican Party to do away with Social Security, Medicare, IRS and health care and cap and trade if they are enacted?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 11:24 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...:)

The voice of reason!

You don't know how good it is to hear someone who is thoughtful and reasoned in their commentary.

I am really tired of the infantile discussion that is taking place here by some who claim to be conservative.

I haven't seen the new RNC website but will check it out. Do you approve?
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 11:28 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Sheila

I not only approve of it but I think it looks great! I like the fact that it displays the diversity within the Republican Party front and center.
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Tuesday, October, 27, 2009 11:38 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...:)

Cool! I'll check it out!
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 12:16 AM BrianR writes:

Okay, Sheila


So... you wouldn't vote for Pelosi if she switched to the GOP.

What happened to the idea of voting for Repubs no matter what, in order to build a majority from which to advance conservatism? That's your strategy, isn't it?

By refusing to vote for Pelosi (R-CA), wouldn't you be "putting your principles above your country"? That IS your mantra, isn't it? Repeated about a thousand times? What you constantly accuse us of doing?

Turns out you're no different from us. You're just sore that WE refused to vote for a guy YOU found acceptable.

Further, I hardly think conservatives are powerless at all. If that were the case, "healthcare reform" would already be the law of the land. Instead, political hacks in DC from BOTH parties are quaking in their boots.


You wrote: "Past evidence...is just that, past evidence." Well, what does that mean? I'll answer you with this: "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it". George Santayana. And: "Insanity is continually repeating the same action while expecting a different result". Albert Einstein.

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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 12:20 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

Now who do you mean by, "I am really tired of the infantile discussion that is taking place here by some who claim to be conservative." I do hope you do not refer to me when you say claim to be conservative [I only speak of myself here, I'll let the others speak for themselves]. I can be conservative and disagree with you [as others can].

-------------------------------------------------

Patrick Addison; "How soon do you think we can get enough conservatives in the Republican Party to do away with Social Security, Medicare, IRS and health care and cap and trade if they are enacted?"

The first three will be with us always, SS & Medicare hopefully we will be able to enable some changes as Bush [43] wanted. The IRS will be with us as long as we collect taxes as we do now. Health care would depend as to when it would be due to start, etc. cap and trade also.

Those that don't like the parodies by Rush, or think some of what he says it to over the top, don't listen, turn him off.



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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 7:02 AM Nee writes:

WOW

*We* are nutty and infantile in this discussion? Get out the mirror, Sheila. Whether you say nutty, etc...with little smiley faces and agree with Patrick's comment, we are not infantile, or nutty.

*We* are, however, trying to point out your own infantile inferences. How 1.25 million people who voted third party led a marxist to be voted in as President and now we *got* what was coming!!

And Patrick is the voice of reason? No offense to Patrick, but geesus! Republicans have not done anything to get rid of social programs?

Uh, how about two sides on every coin? How about the voters actually paying attention to what matters, like picking people who stand for our principles, and not towing the party along.

I can say I understand your passion and the need to be "right", but sadly, I believe it to be misguided. You are ignoring facts so you can claim your absolute loyalty to a party that could give two poops about you. You just keep missing that point, no matter how many times it is pointed out, don't you?

And for the record, you are behaving as a Republican, not as a conservative. Big difference as Rush points out.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 10:42 AM Patrick Addison writes:

Jevica

I appreciate your response concerning my question about the repeal of liberal legislation.

With regard to turning Rush off I think you make a valid point. I still think that opposition usage of certain sound bites of Rush's show can be used with unfortunate results e.g. Rush not being able to buy into a NFL team. Perhaps conservatism is better served without having to deal with these distractions.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 10:51 AM Sheila writes:

Brian

This isn't a game. You don't seem to realize the seriousness of where our country is right now.

I think it was a dangerous decision to play with the election.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 10:53 AM Sheila writes:

And Brian...

it's the dems that are keeping the healthcare takeover from happening so far. We are powerless.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 11:08 AM Sheila writes:

Nee

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you, and I'm not insisting on being right. I'm trying to express my frustration with the situation we are in right now, with our country going down the tubes, when we could have had a different outcome. And in this post, I was expressing dismay with our biggest voice- Rush, wishing he would get serious and get rid of his dumb parodies that hurt the conservative image.

My loyalty is to God and country not a party, but I do believe the country is better off with a two party system...Rush was talking about that yesterday.

We will never agree on everything, and we'll never have a perfect candidate, and that is my point, that we should work from strength as a majority to fix the problems not render ourselves powerless by handing the country over to the opposition.

I agree with PDX Dave's comment here. He is right on.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 11:17 AM Sheila writes:

Jevica...

I wasn't referring to you...

I don't think we will ever agree 100% as a party or as individuals. My point is we could have been in a different place than the precarious position we are in now with the country going down the tubes.

But alas, the discussion is becoming repetitive. We disagree on the each other's positions, and we won't change each other's minds, so we have to agree to disagree.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 12:25 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Huckabee/Steele

If Huckabee won the Republican presidential nomination and chose Steele to be his running partner in 2012, would you support his candidacy? I think Rush, Ingraham, Hannity and Bennett would support the ticket in the general election, since they supported McCain. Did Coulter finally give McCain her support against Obama?


BTW How on earth did Hannity support Giuliani's presidential primary bid?
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 12:25 PM BrianR writes:

That's right, Sheila


It's not a game. Who said it is? You think making a statement like that marginalizes what I've said, or gives your position more weight somehow?

You're sadly mistaken. I take my politics dead serious.

You correctly point out that there are many Dems standing in the way of Obamacare, proving my point that conservatism isn't an ideology that adheres to party labels.

If anybody here treats it like a "game", it's you with your blind cheerleading for anyone who wears a GOP jersey.

I'll take a Zell Miller (D) over an Olympia Snowe (R) every day of the week.

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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 12:35 PM jevica writes:

Patrick Addison

Rush and the NFL Team was stirred up with lies about what Rush said, did not have to do with what he said on the air.

Most of those speaking about Rush do/did not listen to him.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 12:48 PM Patrick Addison writes:

Sheila

I agree to disagree and to support those who perhaps don't agree to disagree to a great degree, if perhaps their agenda is more in line with me, as opposed to that of my political enemy; but, I am not making any promises due to my high regard for integrity.

I hope we get more Republicans that are to the right of McCain and the lady in NY.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 4:28 PM Tazzmax writes:

Sheila

So I guess you were referring to me only?
Whatever blows your dress up, girl, I could "give a damn" one way or the other.

I tell it like I see it.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 8:20 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...:)

Well, If it were Hucakbee/Steele there would be some conservatives who wouldn't go for that ticket saying they aren't conservative enough...

I think I would go for that ticket...not sure about Rush and the rest. You would think so, but...

I don't recall if Coulter finally supported Mac...and Hannity, well his support for Giulliani was prob based on the war on terror, and his strength in that regard.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 8:26 PM Sheila writes:

Brian

I'm with you bro! Give me a Zell Miller any day!

Hey I know we get a little heated here...but we have to step back and realize we want the best for the country even if we don't always agree on the how.

At least we can still debate the issues, and hopefully will still have that freedom as the years unfold...

A good debate is always a learning experience.
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 8:28 PM Sheila writes:

Patrick...:)

Yeah that would be nice...;)
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Wednesday, October, 28, 2009 8:30 PM Sheila writes:

Btw, Patrick

Swan just suggested on another blog that Patreus (sp)might be the guy for 2012...what do you think?
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Thursday, October, 29, 2009 12:31 AM Patrick Addison writes:

Sheila

I would need to find out more about David Petraeus before I would consider supporting him as a candidate.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:38 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

You pulled your newest post. Why?
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 1:14 PM BrianR writes:

Amen, Sheila!


I couldn't have said it better myself!

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Friday, October, 30, 2009 1:21 PM Sheila writes:

Jevica...

It wasn't my post. My blog was hacked. I've reported it. Some idiot who hopefully will be banned from TH.

Btw, I got a lot of laughs at your "reporting" of my blog over at Brian"s...you are a riot.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 4:48 PM jevica writes:

Shiela

I do that because I need help to explain to you about the other side. No matter what I say or how I say it I'm wrong. I try to Brian here because he seems better able to get things said.

What does seem to be a riot is that your wish to change the GOP and get more moderates, etc in there, when you say you're a conservative.
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Friday, October, 30, 2009 6:55 PM Sheila writes:

Hey Jevica read my lips:)

I don't "want more moderates in there", I want more conservatives! I'm beginning to think you just don't read. The only way to get more conservatives is to get more republicans...some will be more conservative than others, and your principles will have a chance of being adhered to. Right now you are getting 0% of your principles enacted.

Show me a statement anywhere in my blog where I said I "want more moderates in there".

What I want is NO dems in there. NONE in the majority. Geez...maybe you're right. You need Brian to come read for you so you can figure it out...LOL

BTW, how has having a majority dems helped your principles to be promoted, Jev?

And btw, if you're going to discuss my position behind my back, it would be nice if you'd get it straight.

I'm sure you're feeling a little sheepish since my predictions are coming true about what this admin would do. Hope you're happy when your future is being run by libs.
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Saturday, October, 31, 2009 3:52 AM jevica writes:

Shiela

Again "No matter what I say or how I say it I'm wrong."

"I'm sure you're feeling a little sheepish since my predictions are coming true about what this admin would do. Hope you're happy when your future is being run by libs."

If you want conservatives only in government then regardless of your predictions this is what was going to happen. But if your willing to settle for whatever, to not get Democrats/liberals then your being a conservative is not absolute. I'm not feeling sheepish at all, because my predictions are also coming true.

You settled for McCain and got a big loss, but you make it the fault of us because we would not settle for him.

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Saturday, November, 07, 2009 2:54 PM SLW writes:

Good post!

All the comments remind me of why I don't miss Townhall.

Nothing ever changes...
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