The Ancient Wisdom Applied to Global Warming

We were given dominion to be stewards of His creation, not to do as we please with impunity.

It seems to me that the conservative protests against the green movements is based on building your treasures on earth.

"It seems to me that the conservative protests against the green movements is based on building your treasures on earth."-C5

What a belly laugh! Who is it concerned with "saving the earth"? Is it the "evil" conservatives, or the reprobate activist leftwing socialist liberals who pound the podium in it's defense?

It seems to me that the "green" movements have more to do with laying up treasure on earth than any conservative protests. Who is frantic about the rain forests, the snail darter, chaining themselves to trees and blocking bulldozers? The conservatives? I trow not!

What it is really all about is control using fear, for fear hath torment. The tormented seek relief from the latest imagined catastrophe, be it financial or environmental, and there are the activists ready with the "arm of flesh" message. "We must save ourselves," they say, "air up your tires and get rid of that SUV." Instead of pointing the fearful to the love of God who dispels fear, they instead preach bondage to this flesh and MORE fear. No wonder the Bible said:

Proverbs 28:1
The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

Valiant, your daughter is bold, for she knows the truth. C5 would have her believe we are doomed (and justly so for the sins of our government he would say), if we don't give up some liberty to correct the rising sea levels.

When I was in school, another "iceage" was approaching. Now it is "global warming" that will do us in. In C5 and jack's world, truth is relative, therefore given their reasoning both were true I suppose since that was the best evidence at the time. Ever heard of the "Gore" effect? Everywhere he goes to speak this foolishness, the locale is hit with unseasonably cool weather. Is God laughing at our calamity?

Once again, C5 is able to twist things to fit his own gospel.
Don't be decieved, if you mind the flesh, your affections will be with "mother" earth and it's resources; if your affections are above, you know this world is not your home.

BTW, C5, you never gave me an answer to the question of creation. Do you believe the Genesis account or not?

If I were you, I would compare what I write with the works of the flesh and the fruit of the Spirit and then be the judge when one which you are exhibiting the most.

My words do not preclude a responsible use of resources. Why assume so? The point is that we are against the fearful obsessing over things out of our control.

Is it wise to expose our families to Hg poisoning to save a few watts of energy? Is it wise to use more energy overall in efforts to appear to be saving energy? Are not the enviros the ones storing up treasure on earth, because that is where their heart belongs? Is their first love not socialism, and ‘green’ is used as an anti-capitalist bludgeon? Our greatest resource is children. Now, what are they doing to preserve them?

Corruption doesn’t mean the system is bad; it means that sin exists and the sanctifying influence of the gospel is being diminished because the gospel is being perverted. The answer is not state enforced socialism through policies that punish achievement to create dependency. Don’t you agree that using the public funds to buy political favor is immoral? Socialism will be no more righteous than capitalism because it is inherently immoral. The essential thing that is needed is a return to the apostolic gospel.

Not all things are out of our control, especially when we look at it from a societal perspective.

Sorry, but I don't understand your comment. If you want me to, please clarify.

Interesting that you will not answer my question on creation according to Genesis. Am I to take this that you do not believe the Biblical account?

We were given control of the earth by God, a gift of untold value and even more so a life on which to live on it. The beauty of this place, we call our world, is the greatest gift God gave us, second only to salvation.

To claim that trying to protect the world from pollution is somehow blamphomous is crazy! Enviromentalists like myself don't believe we are going to change God's plan. We're just aganist putting poisin into our drinking water, killing off God's creatures to the point were they no longer exist, and making sure we don't kill ourselves with stupid policies.

Both the enviromentalists and the corprate world have an enviromental plan, one which will protect the earth and the other to destroy it. I'm simplifing like crazy here but I think you get the plan. Every person has an enviromental plan, because your actions have an affect on your natural enviroment. It is a fallacy to say "It's out of my hands".

Thanks for your input.

If you are responding to me, then I think that perhaps you have misread me. Should I try to clearify or do you want to presume that you know what I meant and continue to tear down your straw man?

I plan on not answering any of your questions until you start discussing issues as an equal rather than someone who has some extra authority.

Chris thinks your're crazy; he doesn't care what you think. So what is your answer?

Man was given dominion over creation. But since the Fall he has exercised this dominion the wrong way. He is a rebel who has set himself as preeminent over everything else. Because he is fallen, he exploits created things as though they were nothing and as though he has an autonomous right to them.

The Christian is called upon to exhibit dominion, but exhibiting it in the right way: treating the creation and the created things as having value in themselves, exercising dominion without being destructive.

Socialist tyranny is not the answer to the pollution problems. The answer is in the Christian worldview that gives man a right view of himself as part of the creation and his dominion as a stewardship given to him by the Creator.

[Schaeffer: Pollution and the Death of Man]

I am always looking for a more clear view point, and no I don't build any straw man just to tear them down. Reading you later reply clarified your viewpoint for me but (and I'm just saying this from my perspective) it seems to be in contridiction to your essay.

However what do you consider to be social tyranny? Is making a law aganist dumping toxic chemicals into a river an example? I don't think you believe that but then what is the answer.

As for global warming, most legitmate scientists believe a direct correlation between carbon dioxide levels pumped out different sources (coal power plants are a huge factor) and the rising global tempature which is causing a significant rising in sea levels to the the unthawing of the artic. If that is true, (completly arguable) then we are not exercising our dominion properly if that means thousands of creatures would die along with many other effects. I am not a science buff and generally don't feel comfortable talking about global warming but that's the arguement I tend to go along with.

Thanks for responding. Your comments are appreciated. Perhaps, we can start over on a better footing.

The article was meant to arouse some discussion and make men think that they are stewards, rather than masters of the earth.

I will respond to your questions…

“What do you consider to be social tyranny? Is making a law aganist dumping toxic chemicals into a river an example? I don't think you believe that but then what is the answer.” -Chris


First of all by socialist tyranny I mean the proposed energy tax called “cap & trade” and all the other anti-energy policies coming from the anti-capitalists.

Secondly, I mean the global warming hysteria and fear mongering from who you refer to as legitimate scientists. Are these the same scientists who promote the irrationality of macro-evolution to explain the origins of men? Would you consider the other side of the argument from the illegitimate scientists?

Tyranny may change behavior for a while, but it will never change men. The only answer is a return to Biblical Christianity, where men have power to govern themselves independent of state control. There are not enough socialists to police our actions and our thoughts.

Thanks for the reply.

By the way, I don't support the taxation of pollution. I'm aganist it peroid. Taxing it is just stupid and passes ALL of the costs to the consumer while still making the world a less clean place.

Well, I guess thats one way to get out of it.

The truth though, is that you are afraid to answer; having your false gospel exposed is something you have grown tired of.

Great to hear from you. Hope your week went well. Hope that you are well.

I appreciate you Ed, all is well.

The sweat of the face (Gen 3:19), you know.

Now that I'm back for a couple of days, I have to catch up on here.