jerubaal

I know exactly what you are talking about. If you read my intro, you know that at 15 I was saved, but never was baptized. Well, some Penticostal friends of mine took the time to show me in the Word that I should be..and I went to the church they were attending at the time and got baptized. Well, ever since then, I pray in my prayer language a lot of the time. More especially if I do not want to interfere with what God needs to do with a person. There are times when the Annointing comes on me and whoa it is like being dipped in boiling water without the damage..It is awesome indeed..I have several black friends that have prayed for me, and I respect the teaching of any one of the five fold ministers no matter the color or where they are from. Jesus is no respector of persons so they are all family..
The gift of prophecy is the speaking of the Word mainly,,also it will enable a person to hear the Voice of God somewhat easier than others, and to interpret prophecies given by others in tounges.
Thank you for stopping by and God bless..
Enjoy the links, and post here anytime..

I will post something that I think the Lord gave me and am still trying to figure out.LOL..
It is cryptic and a bit strange, but take it as you will. Who knows, the Lord may just give you the pieces I feel that I am missing. LOL:-)
It goes like this: I heard these statements audibly and it kinda blew my mind..

They Shoot
This know
Clouds burn
(missing line)
a virgin
don't push that(child messing with something they shouldn't)
David(my name) February
Cut in two
you're done for the day
It goes here(vision of AK being placed in gunrack)

Yeah,,I know it is wierd, but kinda interesting none the less..Needless to say, I am waiting on February to see what happens.LOL

You can just e-mail me with your thoughts..
To clarify further,,I am a man,,not a woman.
LOL..Jokes on you.
That is wierd about your family..My name is David also:-)
The 15 year old girl was someone else..
I got the nickname daiedaiekidd from a 3yr old son of my friend because he loved me very much and couldn't say David but he would tell his daddy,'Let go see DaieDaie daddy.' So, being a crazy nut the guy started calling me DaieDaieKidd and it stuck cause I kinda liked it..LOL..My friends call me DaieDaie(pronounced day-day)God bless.

So you been swatting flies? Yum. Sounds delicious.

I guess you still haven't put the connections with those images
Did you try what i told you to? You'd be amazed at what will happen.
God works in strange ways.
Pep

daie daie, i'm very glad to see that your writings and interactions are flourishing. I was your first visitor, and have been busy elsewhere.
I'd like to add something about prophecy, since you 2 are discussing it. I was born again in 1987, and always tested by far, that my spiritual gift was prophecy. I never had any idea of how to use it before this new millenium. With current day rapid deterioration of human common sense, i think ive found out finally, what the gift of prophecy is really about. I think it's this: we now have the lunacy of political correctness. Think of the opposite of political correctness, and you have what prophecy is = telling the truth always; seeking the truth always, and not worrying about what any human thinks about it. A prophet NEVER seeks popularity, but always seeks truth. Think about the biblical prophets, and how unpopular they were. Why: obvious: the average liar doesnt want to hear the truth. He or she wants to hear what fits into his or her fantasy about the world. The prophet has to have the guts to refute the fantasy garbage, and stand for the truth, despite unpopularity. Still want to be a prophet?

Then why do the heathen also live forver, when He could annhiliate them?
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The only way that I know to answer that is to say that from my understanding, God can not annhiliate anything He has created. The heathen(sinners) will be placed into the 'lake of burning fire' along with Satan, the Beast, and the Anti-Christ, where they will be separated from God for eternity. They will still exist, only in a dimension of torment.
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Also, if God only wanted sin so people could choose Him, only one condemned sinner in all history would be necessary to prove His point that He doesn't force anyone to choose Him.
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To begin on this poser, let me say that God did not 'want' sin. Sin was a byproduct of His creating beings and giving them the ability to choose. The Scriptures state that,Ezek 28:15
iniquity 'was found' in Lucifer and he rebelled against the Lord of Hosts and was 'cast down',ie dismissed from the position of ArchAngel(God also changed his name to Satan) along with 1/3 of the angels. Then, Satan deceived Eve into eating the forbidden fruit(which was a screw-up; he should have talked her into eating from the Tree of Life first) and she in turn talked Adam into eating. Well, God then cast them out of the Garden of Eden into the earth. Well, Adam and Eve had Cain then Abel and later Cain committed the first murder by killing his brother Abel. So, Adam and Eve continued to have children, and their children had children. Well, some of these were good people and listened to the Lord(Enoch the eighth from Adam walked with God for 365 years then was no more for God took him) and some were evil and listened to Satan until the time of Noah when 'mankinds thoughts were evil all the time continuously' and God decided to wipe out all the evil ones but decided to save Noah because Noah listened to the Lord. After the flood all mankind is decended from Noah but still once again evil began to grow. I went through all of this to say that God wants a family and a people, and He wants a family and a people that choose Him willingly. The problem is that when Adam sinned by eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, God placed a curse on the face of the earth and it will be here until Jesus comes back at ther end of the Tribulation and restores the earth to her former self. He also spoke forth the Messiah the first time(Gen 3:15) and all through the Old Testament He kept speaking forth the Messiah(for God gave dominion of the earth to Adam, and Adam(when he sinned)gave dominion to Satan)so a man born of a woman had to regain dominion of the earth, and Jesus did this when He was crucified and died on the cross and went through Hell and retrieved the keys to Hell and Death from Satan. He also took all the ones that were in Abraham's Bosom(these were the OT believers and faithful of God)to Heaven. So, until the end of the Millenial kingdom, there will still be people that are evil for we are born spiritually dead, and remain this way until we accept Jesus as our Savior, this is what Jesus was speaking of when He said,'You must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God.' So, we are born separated from God spiritually, and from the age of accountability we are held accountable of each and every sin we commit and are held captive to sin. This is why we need Jesus' sacrifice, to cleanse us from sin and allow God to place His Holy Spirit within us bringing our spirit to life so that we can worship Him in Spirit and Truth.
I hope this is not too much information, but I had to give a background to get to the point that my idea is;;God is proving a point to Satan that He is absolutely fair and gives everyone the opportunity to come to Him because when God 'fired' Satan from his position as ArchAngel, Satan made the claim that God was not fair in His decision, and God is doing two things: He is proving that He is absolutely fair, and He is building a family(the Body) and a people(Israel).
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Why did He make the rest, and hell fuller than heaven?
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The rest are the ones that just will not come to God and have refused His offer of salvation. As to hell being fuller than Heaven, I don't know that this is a fact, we will just have to wait and see.
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Jerubaal, I hope this helps and I did not intend to be so long-winded, but it was the only way I knew to explain it as best as I could..If you have any more questions, and I can help,,feel free to ask, and I will answer to the best of my ability.
God bless you and yours in the Name of Jesus, Amen!

Good to see you back around. I missed you while you were off,LOL:-)
You are correct, a prophet is never received well in their own country and your examples are right on. I have been told by Spirit-filled ministers that I am a teacher, and I had a dear friend that was called to the office of prophet. Well, he went to be with the Lord, and I think that I received his annointing. I don't know this for a fact, but I sure have noticed that Holy Spirit is doing a work in me that is 'different' here lately. I related he and myself to Elijah and Elisha. Yes, being a prophet is very difficult office because a prophet HAS to tell the people what God says to tell them and 'let the rough end drag' as the old saying goes.
Tell me, tw, did I answer jerubaal's question properly? Some help there is appreciated, LOL..I think I got carried away, HaHa:-)
God bless you and yours in all blessings.Amen!

daie daie, while i have a little time, ive been looking at peppermint patty's blog site, and saw this from you:

Pep
Hun,,I know I am right for the God of all creation said it in Ezekiel 38-39 and tells exactly which nations are involved.
Also, He promised that Israel will be a nation FOREVER.
In The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, He comes back to Jerusalem at the end of the tribulation with us(the Body) to rule and reign for a thousand years. Well, we can't rule and reign with Him in Jerusalem if Jerusalem is blown off the map, can we..LOL..

1) thanks for using scripture so much. I firmly believe that one big reason for the continual decay of humanity and common sense is because of the human arrogance thinking that they know more than God. (thus, wanting to discard the Bible, and exalt their own puny thoughts, just as satan said, "I will elevate my throne above the throne of God.")

2) Your above scripture reminds me of an interesting thing i heard, not long ago (i think from john hagee, about my favorite preacher, who doesnt spare the rod, cutting through political correctness gutless lies and stupidities): he said that the muslims are desperate to prove the Bible wrong, so that their devil worship koran will be right. And that is possibly the biggest motivation behind what destructive murderers they are. I can believe that's true, as they kiss walls, trample each other, and all the rest of their rigamarole, trying to believe that their devil worship has something to do with God. "you will know them by their fruits." Since their fruits are obvious garbage, we know who they belong to: THEIR FATHER, THE DEVIL.

I'm confused a little, I guess. I'll address what I can.

The road to hell is wide and many enter, but the road to heaven is narrow and few enter. Therefore, hell has more souls than heaven if you do not count angels, since there are twice as many angels in heaven as there are fallen angels in hell, and the impossibility of numbering angels means that heaven is actually more populous than hell, even though fewer humans are in heaven.

I agree with the basic principle that in the fall of man, God was revealing something about Himself. And I do believe justice was a part of it, and also mercy, love, and the ability of God to do absolutely anything by satisfying both infinite justice and infinite love concerning the same object.

The Bible says, "Nothing has been hidden but that it shall be revealed". That means that every attribute of God's divine nature will be manifested. He willed this to be so from eternity.

For His overcoming love and mercy to be revealed, and for the Son to manifest in time His eternal nature of being a Priest and Savior to His people, they had to sin first.

Therefore, God wanted sin to occur. As the Word says in Romans 8:

"19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.

God subjected creation to sin (futility) on purpose! (verse 20). He did not author sin - this is an impossibility even with God. What does the book say? He SUBJECTED it to sin. This is different from saying that He authored sin. In the latter case, He is perhaps a sinner. But if He merely subjected creation to sin, as the Bible says, then what He did was ordain that creation come under the authority and principle of sin. The reign of sin. The slavery of sin. This does not mean He authored it, but He did cause it to become our master, when He placed all the ingredients of the fall in the Garden of Eden knowing full well what we and Satan would do. Because Satan and Adam did this willingly and with full knowledge, we are responsible and not God.

Why did He do this? Was it to prove a point to Satan? NO! What does the Bible say? He subjected us to sin in hope! (id.) In hope of what? Verse 21 says that He hoped (a NT verb meaning to expectantly wait with certainty of the outcome) that creation - mankind - would be set free from sin and would receive the freedom of the children of God. The fall of mankind was an intended, orchestrated outcome of God's creation, designed to enslave mankind and through its subsequent redemption produce the glorious children of God. (verse 21 and 22).

In the Romans 8 view of the creation, fall, and redemption of man, God is entirely active and man is entirely passive. It's about His disposing of His creation to His purposes. Man's freedom of choosing is implicit only to the point of our being responsible as sinners. At no time is our freedom of choice or the notion of God wanting people to freely choose Him stated as the purpose of Creation, Salvation, or the Fall. But I am willing to read any verse that says otherwise.

didnt know i would catch you here right now, but since you are, i'll answer your answer to me, and thanks for it. Thanks also for the warm welcome back, and even that you missed me. I guess God is filling your time with this new thing for you, after all. I'm really glad because what's so disappointing is to get all fired up for something, and then have it be a big let down. I hate that, and have had it happen all too often.
being late, this will have to be my last for tonite. (rather, this morning). As for the anointing, ive been amazed myself, since '03, i seem to be seeing ahead, and interpreting correctly. It's like every new crock that unloads, i feel like, yep, i saw that coming. Of course, part of it is because of what the Bible says. (the bigger part, in fact). Well i'm glad that the back of the Book says we win, as the saying goes, because it all looks uglier and uglier. If we didnt know we win, it would be really discouraging. To think this country has even become dumb enough to vote a muslim into govt. I'm ready to go to israel. I dont think israel will ever be stupid enough to vote a muslim into govt, at least. But did you know that according to good sources, israel govt is now leftist, meaning that they must have the same kind of socialist stupidity there that there is here and in venezuela, etc. This socialist disease going around the world must be an increasing love of handouts, and increasing hatred for honest work, because isnt that why fools keep voting for socialists? Here's another thought: socialism makes more ready for one world govt and the anti-Christ, doesnt it. (i just now thought of that, this minute.) Socialism is toward more govt. Capitalism is away from more govt. If we went away from more govt, that would be going away from one world govt and the anti-Christ, wouldnt it. So as hateful as it is, we have to have more and more govt garbage. God's plan doesnt look too pretty does it: all the hateful garbage that must transpire. (thus, i want to be raptured, the sooner the better.). The other day, Dr erwin lutzer said that it takes faith to believe that God's plan is the best of all possible plans. To me, it takes faith, because the natural man in me doesnt like garbage, which keeps increasing.

Thanks for the respect of asking my opinion of your answer to jerubaal, in his asking deep questions. These are the kinds of questions of most interest to me. A simple way of summarizing these questions is: WHY ALL THE BS?
i thought your answer about heathen annhilation was perfect, concise, and of course, Biblical.
your next answer is long, so i'm going to do this one in note style, as i think of something: Why was it a screw up that satan didnt have eve eat from the tree of life, first? What is the scripture for Jesus taking all the OT believers to heaven? I like this: "Jesus... went through Hell and retrieved the keys to Hell and Death from Satan." I remember "He descended into hell", but i forgot why (or never knew why). "God is proving a point to Satan that He is absolutely fair and gives everyone the opportunity to come to Him because when God 'fired' Satan from his position as ArchAngel, Satan made the claim that God was not fair in His decision, and God is doing two things: He is proving that He is absolutely fair, and He is building a family(the Body) and a people(Israel).": Well daie daie, didnt you say that your gift is teaching? In saying this, i see that you're more of a teacher than i am, even though i taught sunday school a few years. This statement would be hard for me to say, because i have too many questions about it, still. But it's probably a right answer, and i think your lead in was good, too, and especially that you said why you discussed the background, which i think you said really well. If you said all that quickly, then for sure, youre a teacher, because that's a lot to say, and get all the facts right. I would have to research a long time to say all that. On the other hand, the truths i say, come out lickity split. As issaiah said, "i cant hold them in." More proof that youre a teacher is that people are asking you questions. I dont think a single person has asked me a question. (until you just did). As to hell being fuller, my guess is that it is fuller because, "Broad is the way to destruction, and many will enter therein; narrow is the way to life, and few will enter thereby." (my wording could be off a little, but this is the idea.) Thus, it should be no surprise to us that the world is showing its increasing love of evil, since the Bible says many will enter therein. I think the only reason we're surprised is because we've had the great blessing to have a genuine Christian nation, before now. Sadly, i think it's fast becoming "post-Christian".

This is a good way of putting it for a prophet: 'let the rough end drag'. Thanx a lot for showing the respect of asking my opinion. As you know, a man (even a prophet) appreciates getting respect, once in awhile (at least). Dont know when i'll be back. Maybe soon, maybe long. But either way, if we're both Born Again (as i believe, hope and pray, we are), my spirit will be with you, whether my writing is, or not. God bless you. tw

The central nugget that divides Calvinism from all other religions and all other forms of Christian soteriology is this:

synergism versus monergism.

In synergism, God makes all sinful men able to choose Him, and a particular man following through and choosing Him produces the salvation of that particular man.

In monergism, God saves some sinful men, and because He saves them, they choose Him.

In synergism, a particular sinful man's choice is the proximate, or nearest, cause of that man's being saved. By contrast, in monergism, God's choosing to save a particular man is the cause of that man being saved, and as a result of that man being saved, that man chooses God.

Both views believe, more or less, that saved men choose God. (Actually, synergists believe unsaved men choose God). But they differ on whether that choice is a cause or effect of their salvation.

Synergism is present in all religions and theologies except Calvinism, because all other religions put the onus on man's choice to be redeemed, or to reach the highest state, et cetera. Whereas Calvinism believes that God's choice to save a particular person is the cause of their salvation, and that this all-determining Divine choice was apart from any desire or willfulness on the part of the one being saved.

To argue for Calvinism, I offer this:

Jesus said to His disciples, "you did not choose Me, but I chose you." And to Moses, God says, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." The Apostle Paul, interpreting this passage says, "So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." (Romans 9:16).

If it (salvation) does not depend on human will or exertion, then salvation cannot be determined in any way by choices made by humans, or by any thing that we can try to do. Therefore, the view that any human choosing God causes them in particular to inherit the salvation brought by Jesus's sacrifice, is false. On what then does the salvation of a particular man depend? "On God, who shows mercy". (id). Furthermore, we know that the particular salvation is not dependent on God only in a general way, but that it depends on Divine choice or will, "so then he has mercy on whomever he wills". (Romans 9:18). So here we know three things concerning choice determining salvation. First, a choice does cause the salvation of an individual man. Second, it is not that man's choice. Third, it is God's choice.

But if some people are not chosen by God to be saved by Him, then they cannot ever be saved! So the objection is naturally raised by us that God is unfair if these things are true. This objection is stated by the Apostle Paul in the next verse: "You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”" (Romans 9:19). (Notice that Paul CLEARLY assumes in the question and answer that in fact, no one CAN resist God's will concerning His choice to save or not to save you).

Paul answers the objection, "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use?" (Romans 9:20-21). In answering this way, Paul points out our utter and complete helplessness before God. We are but things created by God to fulfill His pleasures, and we lowly things have no right to object to those pleasures or the use we are put to by the Most High God. This passage, if we understand it, restores a right view of our positional relationship to God. We are practically nothing, and He is all that matters - all awesome, all sovereign God.

It seems that Paul expects the reader to be humbled at this point and cease making objections before God. But his answer posed a question when the objection was raised, "Why have You made me like this?". He answers that question of why God makes some for salvation and others for wrath in the next verses:

"What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory" (Romans 9:19-22).

God has predestined - "prepared beforehand" -some for wrath and others for glory. Why? To make known the riches of His glory for those He predestined to be saved to glory.

The teaching is plain. It is not for us to impose our preferences or beliefs on the text, but for it to impose the truth upon our preferences and beliefs.

Soli Deo Gloria.

1) from jerubaal (i keep wondering what your name means. Didnt the baal part mean a devil, or something? Is jerubaal like anti-devil?):

"Why did He do this? Was it to prove a point to Satan? NO!"

(when i said "This statement would be hard for me to say (plus the other part of it), because i have too many questions about it, still.", right off the bat, it bothers me about proving a point to satan. Ive heard that before, but my heart has never been happy with the answer, because i feel like why should God have to prove anything to the satan scum? That piece of rot is long overdue for being thrown in he*l, as far as i'm concerned, and all the other trouble-makers with him. (of course, i dont know if i'm Biblical here, just how i feel.)

"What does the Bible say? He subjected us to sin in hope! (id.) In hope of what? Verse 21 says that He hoped (a NT verb meaning to expectantly wait with certainty of the outcome) that creation - mankind - would be set free from sin and would receive the freedom of the children of God."

(isnt it kind of odd that God subjects everyone to sin, then goes through a huge rigamarole, filled with millenia of misery, to get whosoever will, out of sin? Of course, it would be a lot simpler to skip all that, and since God is all knowing from the beginning to the end, He knows who will and who wont choose life. So why not bring to life only those who will be the ones that He knows will be the ones who will choose life? Thus, He could skip a lot of muslims, socialists, liberals, etc, and have only good in the world. Why wouldnt it be better to keep it simple and good from the beginning, instead of all the baloney? The only answer ive ever heard to that is "free will", and i'm still not satisfied with it. Either of you guys able to add any further explanation? tw

Ok,,that was pretty cool.
I made an assumption based on the way you posed the questions to me. That assumption was that you were in need of an explanation, and that is obviously not the case. If I understand you properly you are describing pre-destination. This can be accepted by taking the point that we are gifts from the Father to the Son. As far as God wanting people to choose Him, I refer to the statements by Jesus that God loves us more than a human parent loves their child, and the fact that He calls us His children. Also, it is written,
2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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So, therefore, if God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance, my understanding is that God 'wants' everyone to be saved, but won't force a person to choose Him. For it is written,'Deu 30:19 "I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
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This designates the choice that we all have for the Word is forever and never passes away. Thus it is not His decision to make or any other person to make for us. It is our choice to choose life or death by believing or not believing on Jesus.
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You are correct that this is not stated in one complete statement in one place in Scripture, but it is stated as other things are:
Line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little there a little.
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It is true that God knew the end from the beginning and knew who would choose Him, but He also desires that all would come to repentance and like an earthly parent He wants the best for His children.

I like this statement: It is not for us to impose our preferences or beliefs on the text, but for it to impose the truth upon our preferences and beliefs.

(you too, are a truth seeker. Does it seem to you, as it does to me, that by the day, an interest in truth, declines more and more, among overall humanity?)
Yet, i still am not so sure about calvinism. E.g., "whosoever will" seems to me, to oppose it.
here's another thought: suppose God created you as a vessel of wrath. To say the least, that seems a very bad deal for you. If a vessel of wrath has no choice, how does that square with God's perfect justice (that i expect to see some day, since i certainly dont see it in the current world of injustice)? Since God is a God of mercy, what kind of mercy will He give to the vessel of wrath, who didnt even have the choice to not be a vessel of wrath (according to calvinism, and apparantly, even according to the Bible where you quoted)?)
tw

I wouldn't give the free-will answer, that's for sure.

God has a certain nature - each Person of the Godhead has a nature. The Son's in particular is important, because He is the One who created all of this for Himself. The Son of God created everything that exists by the word of His own power, and without Him nothing has ever been made that exists. The Father willed, but the Son's word accomplished it through the Holy Spirit. That is the process by which everything Divine seems to happen: the Father chooses what the Son accomplishes by the Holy Spirit.

The Son of God is "a priest forever". (Psalm 110, Hebrews 7:17). He Is, in His eternal nature before He ever made anything, a Priest. A priest is one who interceeds between God and man to present a sacrifice to God to atone for the sins of man, so that sinful man can be restored to a right relationship with God.

Therefore, sin had to happen not solely to achieve a good outcome (for man was already "very good" before the fall), but because of the unchanging and eternal nature of the Son of God. A sinless man needs no priest to atone for his sins, and he needs no sacrifice. Such a world was not capable of manifesting (bringing into existence a hidden truth) the Son of God. Creation is all about God manifesting Himself. So sin had to come into being, and God orchestrated it to certainly happen, so that the Son's existential nature of a Priest would be manifested.

To put it another way, if there was never sin, then Jesus could not be a Priest. Because Jesus is a Priest in His eternal nature, sin had to occur.

The position of mankind before the fall was a little lower than the angels. Then we sinned, and the Son of God entered the stream of time as a human being to become a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God for those specific people whom the Father had chosen to save before time began. When these people are glorified in the day of judgment, they are in a sense elevated above the station they had before the fall in Adam, because before they were a little lower than the angels, but then they will judge the angels, they will be called sons of God, and they will receive everything that God has as His heirs because of Christ's death.

So, sin and salvation accomplished much. And it manifested things of God's eternal nature that could never otherwise have been manifested. And since, as I argued before, the properties of God's eternal nature MUST be manifested at some point (or else, existentially speaking, those properties do not exist at all in God), therefore the salvation plan was necessary. And these are those properties that were only manifested by the salvation of fallen man:

1. Unconditional and immeasurable love
Immeasurable, because God loved some of mankind so much, that even when they sinned against Him, He died to save them. If man had never fallen, God's love would not be manifested as unconditional either, because they would have always been good and worthy of love in and of themselves and because of their deeds.

2. Infinite lowliness and humility.
Before the fall and redemption of mankind, God was manifested as all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-present. He was awesome and majestic beyond all reckoning, both in the clear reasoning of man and in the sight of the angels. But no humility and lowliness was manifested. These are eternal attributes of timeless God and had to manifested, and perfectly manifested. This was achieved in the Son of God setting aside all the divine perogatives He had in heavenly glory and taking on humanity, living among us, eating and crapping and breathing and sweating, being spat upon, insulted, mocked, whipped, beaten, stabbed, bled to death, and crucified. It is only slightly humbling for a sinful man to endure these things, for he deserves them, but for God willingly to undertake them, descending in a sense from the Highest of High to the lowest of the low is humility that no mind can fathom or fully perceive. An infinitely humble and lowly GOD? Not until we see Jesus is this divine attribute, existing eternally in the past, first manifested, as it must have been.

This is just a demonstration, for there are ten thousand and more things in God that were perfectly manifested by Christ that could never have otherwise been known.

These things HAD to happen, not to achieve goodness in some sense, since man was very good before the fall, but for a reason infinitely deeper: WHO GOD IS.

Here is a truth that you should know. We will never see the Father - He is beyond all sight. But this is also not true, for Who God Is in all His fullness is perfectly and completely manifested in Jesus Christ. "Have you been with Me so long and still you do not know me, Philip? If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." "I and the Father are One".

You might have suspected that Jesus was the answer to the question. Any theology, any religion, and any spiritually that is not vitally and essentially connected to the person and work of Jesus Christ is dead.

Very good,both of you!!I appreciate the words exchanged here tonight, and will meditate and pray on them for you are both wise and a wise man gets wiser when accepting wisdom from others. As I have stated before, may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus continue to bless you both in all blessings, Amen..
And I thank you again for visiting here with me and feel free to return at any time with more wisdom from the Word of our Lord.

The vessels of wrath chose to sin or there would be no wrath. I believe in choice just like you do. And I believe that whosoever believes in Jesus will surely be saved.

The whosoever passage you reference only establishes one fact: that those who believe will be saved. It doesn't reach the Arminianism versus Calvinism debate at all, because both Arminians and Calvinists know that we are saved by grace through faith, and that therefore those who have faith are saved.

We do not differ on the whosever believeth verse. We differ on who can believe in the first place. "You do not believe, because you are not my sheep" - Jesus says plainly that the cause of belief is predestination.

You are Christ's because you believe? FALSE! That's reading the Bible backwards! It says, "you do not believe BECAUSE you are not my sheep". John 10:26.

You believe BECAUSE you are Christ's. Belief did not make you Christ's, being Christ's made you believe.

"Since God is a God of mercy, what kind of mercy will He give to the vessel of wrath"

Only this, that the vessel of wrath enjoyed being alive here before going to hell, receiving common graces of God such as His beautiful and pleasurable creation.

But why is this an issue with Calvinism? All Christians worthy of the name believe in Hell - the furnace of God's fury against the soul that sins, and all Christians believe that the only way you could get there is by not being an object of God's saving mercy.

The notion that God may have created me as a vessel of wrath scares me senseless and makes me tremble. It is a motivation like none other to pray and beg for spiritual fruit so that I may have some assurance that I am a vessel of mercy. The marks of a vessel of mercy given in the Bible are that you love God and His people, and the lost, that you repent of your sins, and that you bear other fruit. These marks are called in the Bible assurance. It is for this assurance that Paul said he ran the race, "not that I have already attained, but that I may attain". You hope and pray for good works from yourself, and you strive for them, so that you can have more certainty that you are Christ's. The more I love God (as evidenced by obedience to Him), my brothers (evidenced by fellowshipping with them and serving them and caring for them), and the lost (by eating with and hanging out with them and seeking their salvation), and the more patient, loving, gentle, kind, good, self-controlled, joyful, and full of faith I become, the more certain I am that I am Christ's. And if I persevere in these things to the end of my days, I will be sure of my salvation, because perseverance is the only sign of salvation that cannot be faked.

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Daie Daie

You raised several good issues. Let's go in order. You quoted from 2 Peter 3. Let's get the full context:

"3:1 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, [1] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

First and foremost in scripture you MUST, MUST, MUST establish the audience! If you don't do that, you haven't grasped the context at all, and without context you lose a great deal of meaning and invite massive amounts of error.

Who is the audience? In 2 Peter 3, this is easy - Peter says exactly who he is writing to right smack in verse 1: "This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved."

He's writing to the "beloved". This ALWAYS in scripture refers to the elect, predestined children of God, not to the lost. Keep that in mind, since any use of the word "you" will refer to the "beloved" until such time, if any, as Peter changes his audience. (If you need proof of this, there are plenty of places in the Bible where the author in one passage speaks to the world, and then in the next only to the beloved. One example of this audience change may be found in Hebrews 6:9, when the possibility of damnation is given to everyone in the previous verses, but then excluded for "you, beloved".)

The next point of context we should establish, since it occurs next in the chapter, is this: why is the author writing the passage? Peter answers this question: "I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles". He's calling on YOU (already identified as the "beloved") to remember the prophecies and commands of God. Why would the beloved forget them? Because "scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”"

So Peter is calling on the beloved not to forget the prophecies and to obey the commands Jesus gave us, because people will say that Jesus is never coming back, so why bother, why not put off doing these things till later?

Peter then explains that time is relative to the observer, and just because time is long to us does not mean it is so to God.

Then we get to the verses you cited, DaieDaie:

"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

AHA! "The Lord... is patient toward you". "You" has not changed since verse 1. It's still the "beloved" - the elect and predestined of Christ. The Lord is patient concerning the beloved - the elect, "not wishing that any should perish". Any is a qualifier. It always must refer to something provided by context. Who does God not wish to perish? Any of "you", the "beloved"! Think I'm wrong? How do you know he didn't mean mosquitos, or cats, or dinosaurs, or vintage brandy, if you don't get it from context? Here, "any" modifies "you" in the same sentence, and "you" has already been identified as the "beloved".

Of course God is not willing that the people He predestined to salvation, His and Peter's beloved, should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

And we know that God predestines His beloved to be saved and allows none to perish. Romans 8:29: "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."

And we know that the predestined never perish, John 10:26 "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish". Of course they never perish. "I give" is present tense. If He has given someone eternal life, then they cannot perish, or the life He gave them in the past was never eternal.

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Now onto your second passage, from Deuteronomy 30. It, too, requires context to understand:

"15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. 16 If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God [1] that I command you today, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. 17 But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, 18 I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, 20 loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”"

First, who is the audience? The audience is Israel. What is the purpose? They have been presented with the Covenant of Works, summarized eloquently in verses 16 and 17, and the purpose we can derive as a summary and exhortation to accept and honor the covenant.

"If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you today, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. 17 But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, 18 I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess."

So we have the covenant of works summarized: Obey and live, disobey and die.

This is not the covenant of grace! Therefore it has nothing to do with the conversation. The covenant of works was all about human choice. And we know that the positive side of that covenant disappeared because no one ever honored it! All that remains from it is condemnation, and because of it we need the covenant of grace, which is the covenant we were supposed to be discussing, not the old covenant.

Show me the new covenant being a product of man's choice.

When I read in a column post of yours that you spent 45 minutes responding, I had to honor that. So you just got a few hours out of me!

"I made an assumption based on the way you posed the questions to me. That assumption was that you were in need of an explanation, and that is obviously not the case."

Sorry. Law school grad and all. I tend to ask Socratic questions.

"i keep wondering what your name means. Didnt the baal part mean a devil, or something? Is jerubaal like anti-devil?"

Hehe, can I pick a nick or what? Also, I've pretty much screwed anyone's ability to find out what my name means, since half of all google hits for it turn up my inane commentary.

The "baal" in "Jerubaal" indeed refers to the pagan Canaanite deity that lost its head and hands when they dared put the Ark of the Covenant beneath its shrine. On a separate occasion, Gideon destroyed the idols of Baal in his hometown. This ticked off the Baal-worshipers, who came to his house the next day wanting to kill him. (Gideon did it at night because he was scared). So they knock on the door or whatever, and Gideon's dad answers and says, "Why do you contend for Baal? If Baal really is a god, let he will contend with Gideon". So they went their way and left Gideon alone. After that, Gideon's dad gave him the nickname "Jerubaal", meaning "Let Baal Contend". If Baal were real, this would have been a curse, of course. But Baal isn't real, and so this is a hearty nickname given by a proud father to his son to further mock the idolaters, since every day Jerubaal lived with that mocking name was evidence that there is no Baal.

I take it as meaning that falsehoods, illusions, and idols should fear us, rather than the other way around.

God will either be just in His punishment or He will show mercy. God is never unfair.He created us able to obey His commandments but man is the one who willfully sinned.God is not the author of sin but knew it would happened because from all eternity He had a people that would be saved . So the world was created to give Jesus the opportunity to show God's love by dieing on the cross.Let us really celebrate his birth this coming season.All the trouble (caused by sin ) in the world is not God's fault but will ultimately serve to glorify God.

It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage,
and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty
is precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to
the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considered as
a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of
the Governor of the Universe."

-- James Madison (A Memorial and Remonstrance, 1785)

Thank you for spending so much time on your explanations..
Now, I see clearly:-)Lawstudent, huh?LOL..
You have made your point concerning the Calvinism and Arminianism debate. I never have gotten into that before and can see that it can turn into a whopper in such a short time..
Hey,,you did not have to spend all that time,,the thing that aggravated me was the fact that TH kicked me off with no warning so I could not save my work..I try to always save my work..Just like Jesus saves His work,LOL:-)
You make some very good points in your discourse, and it will take me some time to digest.
To boil it down to simplicity, either a person will spend eternity with God because they were chosen in the first place,or; they wind up in the lake of burning fire because they were not.
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One point I would like to make, though, regarding the Abrahamic Covenant and the New Covenant: Both covenants are still in place, and there are people in the world today living under one or the other. The OT Law is the tutor which shows us that we can not as humans live by the Law and be righteous before God. The NT is the Gospel which enables humans to become righteous before God because of the Blood of Jesus. I totally agree that taking verses out of context is the quickest way to make big mistakes. I also know that the agreement of the OT and NT is required for the NT is basicly the OT for dummies,LOL..
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2 Tim 3:12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
2 Tim 3:13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2 Tim 3:14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2 Tim 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Tim 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
2 Tim 4:4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
2 Tim 4:5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
2 Tim 4:6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2 Tim 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
2 Tim 4:8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
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There are many places in Scripture where the Word is quoted using just one verse, but it is always done under the direction of the Holy Spirit. In these instances the persons did not quote, three verses before and three verses after to give context, they merely quoted the verse that referred to the event. Now, there are many that do this without the direction of Holy Spirit, and use this method to put forth the work of the enemy; and this is why I believe that we are commanded to,'meditate on My Word night and day,' so that the warping of the meaning of the Word will not cause us to follow the servants of the evil one.
As an additional thought here:
One must remember that Paul was tormented all his life for the things he did to the followers of Jesus, and even though he was called by Jesus to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, he never forgot his brutal murder of innocent people and always considered himself unworthy,(1 Cor 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1 Cor 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.) yet did not quit in his mission but perservered the more to spread the Word to all that would receive it.
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An interesting debate and one that can eat up hours and hours, but the Glory is to the One that paid our debt of sin, Jesus of Nazareth, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

The meaning of my name is:Beloved Nobel
Maybe I should have used that for my handle here?LOL..Go figure:-)

(with those names, i feel like i'm talking to some old testament guys, right out of the Bible.) God's blessings to you guys!! Cant stay long, right now. Need another decent night's sleep to make up for being here so long monday night, tuesday morning. jerry, thanks for your considerable answers. You're a real thinker. I couldve been reading the extensive works of a top book writer. Your name explanation was interesting. I felt pretty good; i think my guess at the meaning was pretty close. I agree with this idea, and its importance: "I take it as meaning that falsehoods, illusions, and idols should fear us, rather than the other way around." Right: scripture, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against us." I liked a teaching point i heard: gates are defense, passive, sitting there. IT'S US ATTACKING THEM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. This fear issue: i've caught the girls using the phrase, "i fear", sometimes, and i make a point to say to them, such as, "God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind." They havent yet, responded when i cite that, and bring the issue up. Maybe they cant easily give up fear. In my opinion, generally, women are more inclined to fear than men. I think these women are smart enough to know that i'm not criticizing, just encouraging, because "fear brings torment.", and i dont want torment for our girls. As for me, i like, "a coward dies 1,000 times; a brave man dies once." Once is enough for me. I choose bravery. I know you guys do, too!! tw

Glad to see you stopped by. Pep dubbed me AchmedSlayer after I told her of the letter I wrote to Achmenadad(spelling?). It may be posted on her site, I forget. They say the memory is the first thing to go.LOL.
You are correct, many females do have a tendancy to be succeptable to fear and worry, and I know many Spirit-filled ladies that fight it every day:-)May the Spirit of the Lord enlighten you in every way and may Father bless you and yours in all blessings, in Jesus name, Amen!
See you later in the trenches..:-)

my friends of the old testament noticed that God did a lot of micro-managing in those times.. And since what he created has turned out to be so wishy washy, my guess is he got tired, laid down some game rules, and watches in the evening after work , for relaxation, like WOW or Everquest....I mean, HOW can he take us seriously???? sigh.

You all way over your heads...

Jerubal, not sure AchmedSlayer is going to be exactly the authority on the subject...good question, but keep looking buddy.

No offense...

AchmedSlayer writes: Wednesday, December, 06, 2006 11:48 PM
TW
Glad to see you stopped by.

(thanks achmed. I was thinking about the spiritual gifts issue: i think you have another one: encourager. I see that in you more than in most brethren. I also am impressed with your faithfulness to this job. pep has told me that it is a considerable job.)

Pep dubbed me AchmedSlayer after I told her of the letter I wrote to Achmenadad(spelling?).

(I'm glad to know why she dubbed you. I knew she did, but didnt know why. Do you mean the fool in iran? This looks similar to what that idiot's name is. If so, i'm very pleased with you. The evil ones need to be exposed, addressed, and dealt with appropriately. The time for the church to pitifully hide in the pews, is over!! ("and the gates of hel* shall not prevail against us.": think about it; gates are passive; they dont attack us; we attack them; the time for cowering before the scum of the earth, is over, and that includes the scum polluting america.)

It may be posted on her site, I forget. They say the memory is the first thing to go.LOL.
You are correct, many females do have a tendancy to be succeptable to fear and worry, and I know many Spirit-filled ladies that fight it every day:-)

(that's interesting achmed, that you have your own samples. They can be loved, anyway. They also have some strong areas that are stronger than we are, in those ways. Take for example, the way they can pay attention to so many different things at the same time. I'm a focusing person; i dont like to divide up my attention. Being a secretary, receptionist, telephone operator, or something like that, of dividing my attention up, constantly, would drive me crazy. I'm glad those Spirit-filled ladies keep fighting it. Is it best to keep reminding them, "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind." and "Fear hath torment.", or will that just annoy them, and not help? Sometimes, they seem to get all the more stubborn, if theyre told about it. But the Bible says, "a wise man (woman) receives correction, but a fool doesnt, to his (her) own hurt." That would seem that we should keep giving correction. They cant receive it, if it isnt given. Being a prophet, this is the kind of thing i have to do, even though the receiver usually doesnt like it, or enjoy it. Being a prophet isnt a real popular position for whoever has to do it. I know from a lifetime of experience. What they usually dont seem to realize is that i want good for them, not bad. But many would rather hear lies, apparantly.
Well, achmed, keep slaying evil. tw

May the Spirit of the Lord enlighten you in every way and may Father bless you and yours in all blessings, in Jesus name, Amen!
See you later in the trenches..:-)

Hey, buddy, Thanks for stopping by:-)And thank you so much for the exortation. It helps greatly to see that the Lord is blessing people through my work. I am only doing what I perceive in my heart I am supposed to be doing at this time, and I know He will use it to His Glory.
We must remember when correcting, to do so with exortation, for a person will receive exortation much quicker than correction(more especially the gals)LOL. You are correct that the gals have their own place that the guys can not take.
You see, the Lord set it up for the man to be the spiritual head of the family and the
bread-winner and for the woman to run the household, so gals are gifted with the skills that running a household requires.
These particular 'ways' can be a pain to us guys sometimes(like moving the furniture around to make it look different) but if you have ever tried taking care of several kids at once, you will know what I mean..There are many men that take the gals for granted, for they are spoiled rotten and could not take care of themselves if left alone to do it. I am blessed for I have always(since about 10)had to do it myself, so I have an appreciation of what the gals get done:-)
Try wording your correction differently and make it appeal to their curiosity, and you will see that they will receive it much better, though it make take them a little bit to get it, but when they do,,they will be correcting you, for inside every woman is a natural mother just waiting to happen:-)
May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus bless you and yours with all blessings and may His angels have charge over you to keep you safe in the days to come,In Jesus Name,Amen!

Don't forget to check by the site Jesus Talk, for I am placing the goodies that I get there so that I don't forget them.LOL:-)
Ya'll come back now.:-)

you really slayed me with this:

Try wording your correction differently and make it appeal to their curiosity***, and you will see that they will receive it much better, though it make take them a little bit to get it, but when they do,,they will be correcting you***, for inside every woman is a natural mother*** just waiting to happen:-)

(achmed, Words of wisdom from you, i know. Being a prophet, i have discernment. Look at your teaching gift, displayed here. This is very, very wise, and well said. I receive it, brother!!
In this short statement, it even sounds like an interesting adventure, to explore your advice. The curiosity angle is probably a good one, with women, too. E.g., not long ago, a woman turned up in a strange place, and started talking to me. Eventually, i asked her what led her to talk to me there. Her answer: CURIOSITY. As for the correcting mother aspect, dont you think that might be either a happy thing, or a hastle, depending on whether i agree with the correction, or not? In the last 4 years, i have had that experience with a woman (about 21 years older than myself), and she has been like a correcting mother. It's been a very good experience, because there has been no conflict. (she just died about 3 weeks ago). If i disagreed with her correction, i was free to let her know. On the whole, i agreed with most of her correction, and i learned a huge amount of valuable stuff from her, especially about love. In a nutshell, probably the biggest thing was to not be afraid to express love. Ive spent alot of years being afraid to express love, because, being truthwanted, i never wanted to hurt a woman (or anyone else) by being misleading, and was always concerned that if i expressed love, a woman might think it means more than it does, or that i couldnt live up to what i was expressing. This can be all the more a concern if i dont know, myself, how much my love is. But ruth taught me, from her constant love, go ahead, dont be afraid to be expressive. Just dont try to mislead. Say what you feel, and if later, you find it was wrong, or you have to change, go ahead and change. Just always be as honest as you can. In this way, the relationship can blossom for all its worth, instead of being held back by not being expressive. (i think i have a bit of teacher in me, too. I taught sunday school a few years. It was my favorite part of church service.) tw

Thank you so very much for the kind words, they are much appreciated.
It appears that we are similar in some ways for I also have the difficulty with the female persuasion and have to be very careful not to be misleading.
My condolences for the passing of your friend, and may the Lord grant you peace with it in Jesus name.
Yes, dear friend, expressing love can be very tricky, for some persons will take it the wrong way. I just usually wait until I see that they will accept it in the proper light, and then it is easier to express feelings without the worry of misunderstanding.
One thing that we, as humans, have a tendency to forget is; that love is a 'decision', not an emotion. Humanity has the errant habit of confusing physical attraction with love, and this is why we see so many divorces in these times. If one makes a 'decision' to love, then they are loving in a way that God can honor; but if they are not, He can not get into the relationship completely so there will be many more difficulties.
Yes, brother, a prophet must also be a teacher, for how can the persons receive the prophecy without the underlying principles that support the prophecy?
I would like to add that you may feel free to e-mail me at any time you wish and it will be received with joy. I might not reply all the time, but be assured that your wisdom and prophecy will be well received:-) I intended to mention this in my earlier posts, but forgot,LOL..They say the memory is the first to go, HahaHeheHoho:-)For me it was the hair:-)LOL..
Also, if you get some really good stuff from the Lord, do not forget to post it on Jesus Talks, so that we can review it without having to dig through miles of posts, please. The link is here:

http://dadakidd.townhall.com/

May the God and Father of our Lord continue to bless you with all blessings, dear son of Abraham, in Jesus name, Amen!

achmed, i keep having this thought, as this is my first visit to a townhall site since last week: "I just dropped in to see what condition your condition was in.": song from the beginning of america's desire for drug self-destruction. But the words and tune are catchy. So i thought i would drop in for that reason. Thanks for the great responses to my mail. With your comments of memory going, and hair loss, it sounds like maybe youre older than i had envisioned. (i'm 60. Most of my life, ive felt like the kid on the block, and even now, because i live in an over 55 community. When i moved here, 4 years ago, a woman referred to me as "the baby". I thought it was cute. I dont take offense easily, as many do. After all, a prophet has to face much GENUINE abuse, and cant be bothered with trivial things.)
thanks for the invite to email you, but i dont think i saw your email address. Also, i'll keep in mind about your "Jesus Talks" posting. Sounds like a good idea.
i see that jerry and others have not been back since i was last here. I notice that the majority always want to be feeding on new things. As for me, if the old has value, i dont care how new it is, just whether it has value, or not. I can (and like to) go deeper and deeper into anything of value. So i'm not among the shallow minded who always have to have their new titilations. I thought jerry was a pretty interesting writer. He wrote like an expert book writer. A bit more complicated to maintain concentration on his points, than my mind naturally goes for. (my mind likes the hit over the head approach. One guy said a prophet is inclined to smash someone's face to kill a mosquito. I had to laugh, and think, once again, "yeh, i'm a prophet.") I'm no more settled than ever, about the calvinism question, despite jerry's eloquence. My church pastor in cowboy creek, new york, who was normally very sure of what he believes, said himself, finally, of the calvinism question, "some things are too hard to be sure." It's true that jerry's points came from the Bible, and seemed to support his view.
thanks for condolences re ruth. Thinking about what she gave me: 1) i think top normally, to a man, is respect (and for sure, to me): she gave me constant respect, more than anyone else, ever, including my parents. 2) she literally, put her life in my hands (especially her spirit). I wouldve rather died than be unfaithful to the call.
have a blessed day, achmed. tw

Yah,boy, I always liked that tune myself,UhHuh!
Well, I am 48, but like you have always looked younger than I actually am. I joke about the memory because that is the one thing the Lord blesses me with is a 'memory like an elephant', and I joke about the hair because all my friends used to try to get a rise out of me over my bald spot. LOL..I fooled them, cause I don't really care if it all falls out, Hehe, then I won't have to fuss with cutting it or combing it, LOL.
It seems that we have a lot more in common as we communicate back and forth. I also have a tendency to try to kill a fly with a sledgehammer if I am not careful. Also, I have an analytical mind and God had to break me from trying to analyze the Word and just take it for what it says. I had a hard one with that, for I wanted to take it apart into itty bitty pieces before I had learned how to put it back together(had that problem as a kid, too: there were quite a few times I took something apart and could not seem to get it to all fit back the way it came apart, LOL). He taught me that the Word is infinitly deep and complex, and also that taking it apart removed the nuggets of truth that are so important. This is what is wrong with many ministers today and yesterday, they are not keeping the Scripture in context and are making points that the Word does not make;or they are essentially corrupting the whole meaning of the Word to prove a point in opposition with the Word. This is not good at all, and grieves Holy Spirit greatly. I did a little research on the Calvinist, Arminiast debate and discovered that I am neither one. I believe some points of each and neither is absolutely correct according to the Word, so it is not worth debating to me for I personally consider it a waste of time that can be utilized just studying to make myself approved.
The Lord has shown me that way too many people spend time on these trivial things when they should be getting to know Him instead. Head knowledge can get a person in real trouble if the person does not have heart knowledge. I seek for revelation from the Lord instead, for this is what makes the Word become real to a person. When He breathes on a Word for someone, it is awesome and so deep it is sometimes unexplainable in the human language no matter how smart a person is.LOL.
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I am going to leave the post that I placed to you on my blog. Just look for truthwanted on the page and you will be there. If you will place your comments there, I will make sure and save them for future conversations:-) In this way we can continue discussions without loosing track of the dialog, LOL. A wise man accepts wisdom and learns from it.LOL.
May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus continue to bless you in all blessings in Jesus'Name, Amen!!
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TW
Yah,boy, I always liked that tune myself,UhHuh! (i also liked the aligator battle of n.o., you mentioned. Catchy tune. You are in n.o., as i recall.)
my bald spot. LOL..I fooled them, cause I don't really care if it all falls out, (i also feel that i have much bigger concerns. In N.Y., the pastor gave his son a brush cut, and i liked the youngster a lot. Name was mark, who i called bark. I referred to his haircut as a "bark cut", and said i think i'll cut mine that way, some day. Now, ive gotten pretty close: bought sheers at walmart, and zip, zip, done. That's my idea of dealing with cosmetic issues.) Hehe, then I won't have to fuss with cutting it or combing it, LOL. (we feel the same, i think.)
Also, I have an analytical mind (i do too. i was a mathematical statistician, then a professional chess player.) and God had to break me from trying to analyze the Word and just take it for what it says. I had a hard one with that, for I wanted to take it apart into itty bitty pieces (i didnt have much of that desire. Reading is too tedious for me to desire to break it down a lot, especially when it's a lot of volume, like the Bible. My desire was to consolidate it into something simpler, so i didnt have such a big magnitude to deal with. But despite my impatient feelings, i spent a lot of time reading the Bible, having faith that it's God's Word. In this new millenium of continual garbage and falsehood, ive been glad to have the rock of the Bible, under me.)

He taught me that the Word is infinitly deep and complex, and also that taking it apart removed the nuggets of truth that are so important.

(He taught you well, i think, to teach you these things.)

This is what is wrong with many ministers today and yesterday, they are not keeping the Scripture in context and are making points that the Word does not make;or they are essentially corrupting the whole meaning of the Word to prove a point in opposition with the Word. This is not good at all, and grieves Holy Spirit greatly.

(the condition of ministers, then, must be very bad. No wonder the country is in continuing trouble.)

I did a little research on the Calvinist, Arminiast debate and discovered that I am neither one. I believe some points of each and neither is absolutely correct according to the Word, so it is not worth debating to me for I personally consider it a waste of time that can be utilized just studying to make myself approved.

(i havent studied them, and am inclined to feel, like you, that time can be spent better. I do spend some time considering some abstract things that probably arent very practical, such as the question, "where is God, with His allowance of so much disgusting garbage, and so many destructive embeciles?" I know that's answered in Revelation, daniel, ezekiel, etc, but i always go back to the beginning, with the question: why go through all the disgusting garbage? It still seems unnecessary to me, considering that God is perfect, and i would think that a perfect designer would not need any garbage marring His design.) If i was the designer, i would not allow any embeciles to throw centuries of mud on my creation. I especially would not allow any embeciles to kill and otherwise abuse my only begotten Son. (if you didnt notice, i'm more than ready and wanting for all embeciles to go to their appropriate destiny! (and that's an understatement!)) (i read today, that tom delay projects that hitlery clinton will be next president, and osama obama her jigalo vice president. Thus, on comes more socialism and pollution of this country, and i'm sick of all the garbage.)

The Lord has shown me that way too many people spend time on these trivial things when they should be getting to know Him instead.

(sounds very true. But i wouldnt put anything about salvation as trivial. However, if calvinism is true, either we're chosen or not, so i guess it isnt practical to worry about it.)

Head knowledge can get a person in real trouble if the person does not have heart knowledge.

(every day, i see moreso, the truth of this. I'm getting more discerning, i think, and i dont care about someone's head knowledge, but only what their heart is like. ("man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.") I recently tried to circulate a petition from james kennedy to clean up tv, since so many fools get their values from tv. That showed me in a hurry, who had what kind of hearts. As usual, the authorities were not interested. (we continue having the scum of the earth in authority positions.) But my very own next door neighbor said, "Yes i do." (emphatically) "where do i sign?" I later told him that i consider him the best Christian i met during that campaign. He took out his handkerchief, and said, "you're making me cry." In my opinion, that's a Christian, not those who are straining out gnats, and swallowing camels.)

I seek for revelation from the Lord instead, for this is what makes the Word become real to a person. When He breathes on a Word for someone, it is awesome and so deep it is sometimes unexplainable in the human language no matter how smart a person is.LOL.

(i pray He will keep His revelation going to you, as well as fellowship of Himself with you.)
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I am going to leave the post that I placed to you on my blog.

(thanks, i'm honored. I have to get around to reading that (if i havent, yet), and then will have more to say.)

Just look for truthwanted on the page and you will be there. If you will place your comments there

(OK)

, I will make sure and save them for future conversations:-) In this way we can continue discussions without loosing track of the dialog, LOL.

(OK, I'll start making a habit to go there, instead of here.)

A wise man accepts wisdom and learns from it.LOL.

(Yes, and that's serious business, not an LOL. (but i like a lot of lol, too. "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine.")

May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus continue to bless you in all blessings in Jesus'Name, Amen!!
My e-mail is:: dadakidd@yahoo.com
The link to it is just below 'About Me' on the upper right side of the page..Till next time:-)

(thanks, we'll get the logistics straightened out for best communication. Back to the sewer (stock) market for me, for now.) tw

Maybe you can explain to me then what the middle position is between monergism (God does it all) and synergism (God and man work together)? Is it a belief that man does it all?

I believe when God cast lucifer and his buds out of Heaven, there sudenly were some vacancies available. When the last empty 'mansion' gets reserved, THE WORD will call us to 'Move On UP'.

I believe when God cast lucifer and his buds out of Heaven, there sudenly were some vacancies available. When the last empty 'mansion' gets applied for, THE WORD will call us to 'Move On UP'.

They are just like most people who call themselves Christians, they change the Word of God to fit how they want to live, instead of changing how they live to fit the Word of God, and try to get others to do the same. Then they ridicule everyone else. Sounds kinda like the jihadists, except they kill everyone who does not agree with their perverted viewpoint.