Social Security is Not Insurance

Why do the rich care what SS is called. During the great depression we saw exactly what the wealthy's plan for the old, disabled, and the unemployed meant. It was called compassonate conservatism. The rich betrayed this nation by investing in Nazi Germany while taking critical capital out of America to help pay off their debits who used Germanys cheap labor to build products to send bach to the United States. The rich let America has we starved from all of their schemes. I dont care what they call SS as long as FDR is allowed to keep his promise to the American people without using one penny from FDR SS program so the vampires on Wall Street can creat their own program by using their own money. I would FDR's program go broke down to the last man and women in keeping his promise to the last person who was alive. What ever is left fo the SS program can go to the general fund to build roads and bridges.

Thank you for commenting and welcome to the blog, but I beg to differ. First of all it is neither the job of "the rich" or the state to care for people, it is everyone's responsibility to care for themselves. By taking nearly 20% of wages (and though they pretend the employer pays half, it all comes out of your salary in the employer's mind), they make it that much harder to plan for our own retirement.

You can entrust your future to the state if you will, but I would much rather have that money back and be allowed to plan for myself. If you really think it is insurance, then you shouldn't mind, as you don't need my money, your "investment" should be able to pay for your "insurance". So why begrudge me the right to leave social security?

Of course, I have a number of disagreements with what you said, from calling investors "vampires" to idolizing FDR, but let us leave it at this: I am perfectly willing to let you trusts the state to care for you, as long as you allow me to opt out. If you grant me the right to pull out my money, and allow those who want social security to stand or fall on their own, without general tax revenues going to bail it out, I won't object.

I will even let you keep all the social security stolen to this point, as long as you don't take another dime. How is that for generous?

America's income tax laws were written by the rich for the rich because they became rich by robbing this nation of its wealth and by putting all of our elected officals in their pockets so they would stay rich. Andrew Carnrgie and all of his Robber Barron friend payed all of his employees in the land of milk and honey starvation wages who conspired with Sec. of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon, a devote haters of the poor, whom he had made, who was Gods children by giving all of the wealthy's money back to the wealthy like GW Bush, who bankrupted the national treasury: The Father of the Great Depression. We all stand to gether or we all die seperatly. You act as if you live in your own world. You dont. When the day comes that you do. Please do has you will. For you decisions will hurt no one but yourself!

I am knew to blogging. If it was not for FDR , all of the plots in Europe to destroy America by braking it up into 4-5 different parts by people like the Bush family and their wealthy fiends who conspired with the nazis to destroy the British Empire that way they cold use the pound to wipe their buts instead of the British using our dollar or the mark. It was America's wealthy who wanted to hold on to slavery until this day. They have used the Mexican National to turn all the skilled tradesman in America into sharecroppers on the Dow Chemical and the petrochemical plantation into the modern day interpentation of the american Black people; which is applied to all races now not just the black. Wall Street willingly with full knowledge of their malice towards all American saturated the market with illegals with full criminal knowledge. Our wages stop in 1981. Our cost of living stoped in 1985. All of our benefits stop in 1985 because for 30 years Dow chemical and all of their friends declared war on labor and to destroy the legacy of FDR. The RIGHT TO WORK LAW is a facist law given to us by Christian America,funded by John Kirby who was a devoted Nazi who hated FDR for not using our military to gun down all the union people when they had a strike. Because of people like you the non-wealthy have become a slush fund for the rich for corporate welfare who is stealing all of our taxes

I am knew to blogging. If it was not for FDR , all of the plots in Europe to destroy America by braking it up into 4-5 different parts by people like the Bush family and their wealthy fiends who conspired with the nazis to destroy the British Empire that way they cold use the pound to wipe their buts instead of the British using our dollar or the mark. It was America's wealthy who wanted to hold on to slavery until this day. They have used the Mexican National to turn all the skilled tradesman in America into sharecroppers on the Dow Chemical and the petrochemical plantation into the modern day interpentation of the american Black people; which is applied to all races now not just the black. Wall Street willingly with full knowledge of their malice towards all American saturated the market with illegals with full criminal knowledge. Our wages stop in 1981. Our cost of living stoped in 1985. All of our benefits stop in 1985 because for 30 years Dow chemical and all of their friends declared war on labor and to destroy the legacy of FDR. The RIGHT TO WORK LAW is a facist law given to us by Christian America,funded by John Kirby who was a devoted Nazi who hated FDR for not using our military to gun down all the union people when they had a strike. Because of people like you the non-wealthy have become a slush fund for the rich for corporate welfare who is stealing all of our taxes.IT was the Republican OSS and Military who put all of their Nazi friends on the America pay role, who used special military units where the General was a fascist who loved Hitler to save what was left of the Nazi's to fight the communist who used the Catholic church in the Vatican Ratline to save all the butchers from the SS and the Gestapo to America and South America. Free at last.Free at last Thank God almighty. They Nazi are free at last!

Where to start? I will respond to your first post here and your later post in the next.

First, the income tax was instituted by the Democrats in response to the elements they had absorbed form the Reform and Progressive parties. It was explicitly aimed at dispossessing the rich, not helping them. One need only look at the graduated rates to see that no rich individual would find that a beneficial scheme. If it were a flat tax, your theory would have at least some plausibility, but a graduated tax? It makes no sense to think it a scheme by the rich.

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I do not know if you are receiving social security or not, but your second part sounds a bit self serving. When you claim "we all must stand together", it sounds as if you are saying "I know my investment won't cover my social security, so give me your money." Now maybe that is not your intent, but your refusal to allow anyone to opt out does seem a bit selfish, more than my position. I will not begrudge anyone who wants to opt in to social security, I just want the right to opt out. On the other hand, you want to FORCE me to pay into social security. Which position is more American? Or is freedom no longer something we value?

Then again, I think we both know social security would not work if we all had to rely only on what we "invested", so neither is being honest. By allowing people to opt out, I know it will destroy social security. And you refuse to let anyone opt out because you know you need the money form today to pay the promises off yesterday. So, let us be honest:

I want social security to actually BE insurance, as the government claims. I can choose to go without insurance, so I want to be able to choose to go without social security. I also want it to operate just like real insurance, without the right to take general funds. If it goes bankrupt, so be it. Insurers go bankrupt all the time. Let it stand or fall just like any other insurance. But if it is "insurance" then it cannot be sold at the point of a gun, so let me out of the system if I choose. Otherwise, admit it is extortion for the benefit of current retirees, and not any sort of retirement scheme. It will certainly be bankrupt by the time I get to collect, so it is definitely not insurance for me.

I don't even know here to start with this one. Your history and economics are a bit suspect.

First, there was no "scheme" to destroy the pound. Britain happily tied the pound tot he dollar as it allowed devaluation and inflation, which tying it to silver did not. I am not a fan of managed currency, and think we should have never left the gold standard, but your hero FDR was instrumental in that with Breton Woods and the banning of holding monetary gold, so don't blame Bush and Mellon and Carnegie, that was big government, not big business.

I also don't get where you think World War II was fought for business interests, but you seem to think the NSDAP was the embodiment of big business. I would remind you that the S in NSDAP stands for Socialist, and that the Nazi party was a largely socialist organization. Admittedly, with the removal of Strasser they lost the internationalist aspect and the explicit socialist dogma, but they maintained a socialist party until their demise.

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As far as your claims that the economy has stagnated since 1985, I just have to shake my head. Can you even be serious? Just look around you and ask what did not even exist in 1985. I definitely could not have afforded the six MRIs I had last year at 1985 prices. I would not even be writing this, as the internet was the toy of a few academics and military personnel.

I suppose you mean some small fragment of manufacturing or farm labor has not seen their wages rise, and from that you say the entire economy has stagnated. Well, carriage building, professional blood letters and alchemists have not enjoyed any growth for over a century, but that does not mean the economy has stagnated.

I could go on, but I am just confused by your world view. You seem to think everything is the result of a business conspiracy and that the world is much worse than it really is. You also have an unusual perspective (to say the least) on World War II.

The number of times you mention Christian America makes me doubt my next question, but the rest of your writing seems to fit. Are you a fan of the writings of Lyndon LaRouche? A lot of what you write sounds like things I have read by him. The insistence on conspiracy, the idea that business is behind everything, and so on.

Well, I will wait for your reply.