MINNESOTA BLOCKHEADS GIVE US THE WRONG END OF CALIGULA'S HORSE

I fear Minnesota has not even given us the wrong end of the horse, but rather what that end leaves behind.

Yes he is the horses @55 and he is full of horse5hit. The problem is the people of Minnesota only relied on the "Feel Good" sense, it's warm and fuzzy and sticks to you some what. The good news is sooner or later you smell, taste and look at what you've wrapped yourself in. Sooner or later you realixe it's nothig but horse5hit.

is that those morons have been out in the cold too much and their brains got frostbite.

The plan isn't for health care REform, but rather for health care DEform.

...amen to all of it. The more I hear of this disastrous plan the more I fear for my grandchildren--and for us, for we (at least people as old as I am) will be the first to be declared "too expensive" and "not worth it" and sent summarily off to our final reward, whether we feel like going or not. The costs piling up as well as the aggression and disrespect toward doctors makes me, well, ILL. Oh,wait. I can't get sick! Obamacare is only for the useful idiots, and then only if they don't live too long or want too much. Sigh. I have resorted to praying for miracles, such as Republicans growing a spine or Democrats growing brains and consciences. Thanks for stopping by. Jan

Instead of blaming Minnesota voters, blame the Republicans for providing such poor leadership and choices for 8 years that voters have responded by electing as president someone who would have been considered unelectable in years past and by electing a former comedian in the state that previously produced such distinguished leaders as Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale.

Maybe when the Republican Party and rightwingers actually listen to other people's views, they'll be able to get more political power again.

Good grief this was a good read, Jan. Sure good to see the new post up!

Personally, I think Minnesota has even worse problems. It's my uderstanding that sharia law is already in place in some jurisidictions. And no matter how small, any give to sharia is beyond bad. It only takes one wild hair to cause an infection.

Trust all is well at your end of the galaxy.

So happy to hear from you as always. I've been too busy with 3 brand new grandbabies, who are already in debt up to their eyeballs, thanks to the crazies in D.C., to write lately. But as I listen to the unfolding of the biggest disaster in our history, I think I must get back into the fray. Thanks for stopping by, Mrs. AL. Benjamin, I swear I don't know why you bother to read my blog. I DO blame the blockheads in Minnesota, and I liked the guy who was running against the horse's patootie much better than the horse's patootie. I am not at all sure that ACORN didn't pull a fast one here, but either way, the fact that the horse's patootie had a prayer says enough about the voters. By the way, never considered either Mondale (please!) or Humphrey any kind of leaders at all. Humphrey had a commercial when he was running for president which consisted of mentioning the name of his opponent and then a whole bunch of people laughing. Stupid. No wonder he lost.
Mrs. AL, you are so right. Minnesota has huge problems caused by Dems and their terminal PC caving to muslim nuttiness. Sharia law in the U.S. "Shame" does not begin to cover it.

I bother to read your blog because it reminds me how far gone the right wing has gone. Doesn't it hurt your brain at all to do the mental acrobatics required to blame everything on the Democrats after 8 years of Republican leadership?

The Republicans have earned every loss. You should be blaming them.

I forgot to mention another great from Minnesota: Eugene McCarthy.

If you are going to judge politicians' careers based on their commercials, perhaps we can do a review of George W. Bush's commercials. He's the man who made "Swift-boating" synonymous with manipulative lies, which Al Franken clearly has not forgotten (witness his recent confrontation with T. Boone Pickens -- good for Al Franken!).

I DO blame Republicans for having control of both houses and the White House and failing to promote conservativism, which is what made this country so great to begin with. Unlike Dems, many Republicans criticized their party relentlessly, but Obama is in now and all this mess raining down on the country is HIS. And only his. Bush is gone, Obama is trying to shove outrageously socialist policies on us before the Great Unwashed figure it out, and we are about to go over the precipice into full-blown communism. Gotta go play with the grandbabies. Later.

I will not buy into your revisionist history of the Bush years. I don't remember Bush facing criticism from his own party until his failures were too ridiculous to ignore. Certainly he was not facing any harsh criticism from Republicans in August of his first year in office. The guy was graded on a curve, and it was disgusting.

I will also not buy into your revisionist history of America. Conservatism made this country great? The Founding Fathers who challenged their monarch at the risk of their lives were not conservatives. Abraham Lincoln's challenge to the longstanding institution of slavery was not being conservative. Teddy Roosevelt called himself a progressive and a trust buster -- a Republican, yes; a conservative, no. FDR, who led us through the Depression and WWII, was not a conservative. His successor, Truman, risked losing office by challenging the racism in the Southern wing of his party, rather than being a conservative.

You have one conservative success story in the presidency. Reagan. And that's why conservatives repeat his name again and again and again. He's all you've got. You're lucky that Clinton's fiscal policies bailed out Reagan's reputation.

Regardless of what dear Benjamin believes about who was and is and wasn't and isn't conservative, the fact remains that if we do not aim for the smallest possible federal government doing the least damage possible, we are doomed. In case you haven't noticed, EVERYTHING the guv'mint touches turns to crap. I don't want the bureaucrats in my business--not in my health care, my finances, my education. I resent their telling me I should suck up the illegal aliens and buy them health care. It was not part of the original plan for the government to be sticking its nose into the citizens' personal business. Cash for clunkers? What absolute garbage. They can't manage one thing efficiently. Medicare is a mess, and now they want to make a mess out of the rest of the health care. Our congress is a disgrace--both parties--and the president is a naive, stupid, amoral liar and a narcissistic psychopath. He is someone's puppet--not sure whose yet--and his strings are getting yanked pretty good right now. He should take notice of the growing numbers of people who are opposed to his latest foray into communism. Here's hoping they ALL get fired in 2010 and 2012. It may be too late by then, but I treasure the memories of growing up in my America, and I shall continue to teach my grandchildren about the amazing country we once had.

They have one more debt and that is gratitude for having you for their Grandma!

I read your blog because you don't pull punches and are passionate about the U.S.A. I'll read your next post as soon as I can ... have to run.

Jan --

Do you believe that corporate America does a better job than the Government? I was pleased with my health insurance back in the early '90s. Then someone in the corporate world came up with the brilliant idea of HMO's. My premiums went up, my deductibles went up, and the amount of services covered went down.

The credit card companies have engaged in predatory lending practices for years. The Bush Administration was on their side, and now, finally, the Government is stepping in to stop it.

So don't tell me how wonderful things were before the Government got involved. Someone needs to protect you and me from corporations that don't care about you and me.

I'm not quite sure when this idealized society you lived in existed. Was it around the same time that Emmett Till was beaten so badly that when they found his body he was unrecognizable as a human being, and around the time his killers were found innocent? Just wondering.

Obama is a psychopath? Really, Jan? I'm sure your definition of "psychopath" would be as fascinating as your definition of "socialism". I suspect both would be wrong.

Turn off Fox News and talk radio occasionally and read a few books.

now I am going to become cross with you if you don't stop this relentless arguing. Yes I do think corporations do a better job--by far--than the federal government, or any government for that matter. I have dealt with Medicare for many years, as an RN/Hospice nurse, and honestly I believe my 11 year old granddaughter could do a better job. I am aware of corruption (gasp!) in the corporate world, but given free rein the market will generally take care of inferior products and management. The government strangles the market place and puts itself in the position of being able to totally mess things up but never having to answer for it. Once a program is in place, no matter how much of a failure it is, it's here to stay. As for Fox News, you have a short memory. I told you I don't watch Fox News. Or any news, since it is all bad and all biased. I listen to Dennis Prager frequently, Mark Levin, but only occasionally. I daresay I've read more books than you could dream of, and I don't waste time with fiction. I suggest you read Bruce Bawer's book, While Europe Slept. Anything by Ayan Hirsi Ali. Nonie Darwish. I confess to having loved Mitchner. Mark Steyn. I subscribe to Imprimus--great stuff. Just finished The Roosevelts. Love medical non-fiction too, of course. I think my favorite medical story is The Cry and the Covenant, about Ignaz Semmelweis. I may have spelled that wrong. It's an old book worth searching for. Makes one appreciate our modern medical system, even with HMOs. By the way, if you think HMOs are bad--bureaucratic and all--wait 'til you see what the feds can do for you (to you). Have a nice day, Benjamin. I do think, honestly, you'd be happier on HuffPo.

gosh Benjamin, of course I meant that when I was growing up, nothing bad EVER happened, and the world was perfect!! Glad you got that.
You might want to do a little research on the Dems in Congress having had their dirty little fingers all over the scandalous mortgage practices. That was something Bush was trying to STOP. And talk about predatory lending? What is the government doing with our tax money? Bailing out everyone in sight, instead of letting them fail and regroup. That money, except for some of the TARP funds, is never coming back, and more will be going down into the black hole of government waste. Too sad.
One other book I just read that is fascinating and heart-wrenching: Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell. Our military is the ONE shining light in a government setting. But Congress is determined to ruin it too, and I believe given half a chance they will.

Geez, I must have confused James with Margaret Mitchell, author of one of my favorite historical novels, Gone with the Wind. Though I think Hawaii remains my absolute favorite. The Source is also fabulous. Later on I'll list all of my favorite books over my whole lifetime, and we'll be here all day.

I'm still not sure which America you grew up in that was so ideal. Considering that you are a grandmother, I assume you grew up in a time when this country still had a long way to go in the area of civil rights, and the Government had to pass laws and play a role to move it forward.

I recommend "Death of Innocence", by Mamie Till-Mobley and Christopher Benson, about the murder of Emmett Till and the effect it had on his mother and our country. For those who think that the Eisenhower era was an ideal time, it should be an eye-opener.

...yes, I did grow up in the 50s and 60s. As I mentioned, things weren't "perfect." The country needed some work on civil rights, but as usual it went too far and came up with "affirmative action," one of the worst ideas ever. It gave us the eternal question: is my doctor qualified (or my teacher, lawyer, PRESIDENT), or is he a product of affirmative action?
What I mean by my America is the freedom from Big Brother/Nanny State, the innocence our children still had, the married parents and stable homes (not one of my friends' parents were divorced), the schools' teaching actual history, English, real science (not scams), instead of social engineering. Just a few of the perks of living in that era--granted, the 60s generation began the process of destroying America, and I am a baby boomer. Luckily, I was raised by people with common sense and strong Judeo-Christian values. I am grateful every day and sad to see it all end.
More books: everything by Robert Spencer. "Trinity," by Leon Uris. Barbara Olsen (I'm pretty sure Hillary doesn't miss her but I do). "Gifted Hands," by Dr. Ben Carson, one of my heroes. "The Hidden Face of God," by Gerald L. Schroeder. Oops, grandbaby time. More later.

the closest thing we have to socialized medicine is HMOs. I agree that they are horrid at times and barely mediocre at others, so I hardly think the solution to HMO "managed care" (HA!) is MORE socialization of medicine. If you think HMOs ration, just wait til you get a load of single payer government bureaucrat non-care.

Affirmative action is about rectifying social imbalances that were caused by injustices in this country that we all should recognize. If a black person's race and background were taken into consideration in admitting him to medical school, he still has to undergo the same training and pass the same tests as everyone else. He's not handed a medical degree because he's black. If he can't do the work, he will not graduate.

And you will have to adjust to the fact that your President was elected by a majority of voters, just like every other President before him (except for Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, and George W. Bush the first time). Affirmative action had nothing to do with it. If I have to get over 2000, then you have to get over 2008.

Perhaps the baby boomers focused too much on self, but those who became active in social causes recognized that there were things about this country that were unjust and needed to change. Some even lost their lives fighting for such causes. I appreciate what they accomplished.

I'm not sure what you mean by "actual history". I hope you don't mean that only the patriotic (whitewashed) view of our history should be taught. And when you say "real science", I assume you mean that you don't want global warming taught because rightwingers can't stand the idea of global warming. It has to be complete fiction because you don't like it. I hope that you are not saying that about evolution because that would be just too ignorant.

Recognizing social injustice existed in this country is not the issue. When would youi suggest that affermative action programs be sunsetted? Civil rights acts were instituted in 1964, it has been nearly half a century. Now while I realize things simply did not change over night you certainly don't mean to imply we are no further now than then. Do you think mimorities will never be able to do for themselves?

As to global warming. It isn't that I believe it is fiction because I don't like it. Shakespeare wrote fiction, I like it. No, global warming is fiction purely because it is fiction, my likes or dislikes do not change that fact.

Well Benny, you have proven one of two things: either you believe anything the left lies to you about, or you are a liar yourself. When affirmative action means quotas, it does no one any good. People obtain things they don't deserve and people that do deserve them are cheated out of them by some racist that says "It's not fair". It is fair! Further, it's certainly not fair when there is a quota on graduation. Do you want a doctor that only graduated because of a quota operating on you? Now I go back to my earlier statement, what is your answer, naive or a lie?

Lastly, there is NO PROOF of global warming. more then 800 scientist that signed off on the IPCC Global Warming farce have now stated that they don't believe in Global warming and that they were pressured from outside forces to "go along"

Once again little Benny, you write of things but have failed to do any homework.

Jim -- You are boring, repeating the same things about "doing my homework". Equating affirmative action with quotas is a typical rightwing strategy, used by no less a genius than George W. Bush himself. I don't need lessons from a rightwing clown like you. I don't need questions from you either. I'm not here to be interviewed by an a**hole. Actually, calling you an a**hole is a compliment. You are an a##half. It would take two of you to make an a##hole.

Ray -- The only minority groups that I believe are entitled to affirmative action are Native Americans and African-Americans, because both groups were subject to systematic discrimination, racism, and genocide at the hands of our country and Government. If you want affirmative action to be phased out at some point, we can try to set a timeline. We kept black people enslaved and then had Jim Crow laws for approximately 400 years, so perhaps they are entitled to 400 years of affirmative action. It might be harder to figure out a timeline for Native Americans, but they are entitled to at least the same.

As for global warming, are you at least open to the idea that it's possible? If your attitude is that it's just wrong because it doesn't make sense, then I hope you are an atheist, too, because nothing is more ridiculous than the Bible stories that people accept as fact.

"Lastly, there is NO PROOF of global warming. more then 800 scientist that signed off on the IPCC Global Warming farce have now stated that they don't believe in Global warming and that they were pressured from outside forces to 'go along'"

Are you talking about the Inhofe list of "scientists"? How about getting me a credible source now, Mr. "Homework".

OK, here are 31,000 American scientist


http://www.oism.org/pproject/

You could have found this list on your own...Don't be so lazy!

Funny how you libs resort to name calling when you loose the battle of intellect as you always do.

The FACT is, you have nothing but media here say, you have no facts to back you, and anyone reading this is saying "That Benny is a moron, look how he resorts to profanities when he is proven wrong".

Go ahead call me names, I'm stil right and you're still an idiot.

Have a nice day!

...that the globe warms and cools is indisputable.

That man is the driving force is the fallacy.

400 years? Minorities, or blacks rather should not be expected to become self dependent for another 400 years? What is it you believe, that it will take 400 years for blacks to learn how to make their way in the world for themselves? Does this not sound the least bit racist to you?

You have now earned the last name Hypocrite re: the name-calling because you started in with calling me names as soon as you started responding to my posts. But when I call you what you are you say it's a "liberal" thing.

There are lists all over the Internet of people who dispute global warming. I'm not going to go around the Internet trying to back up your statements. The fact remains that there are many scientists who support the theory. And either way, what is exactly wrong with conseration that the rightwing is so against it? Is it because Ann Coulter says that God gave us the Earth and told us it's ours, so we can "rape" it?

You are rightist, but not right. And you are an idiot.

"400 years? Minorities, or blacks rather should not be expected to become self dependent for another 400 years? What is it you believe, that it will take 400 years for blacks to learn how to make their way in the world for themselves? Does this not sound the least bit racist to you?"

That's not what I said, you freaking manipulative rightwing idiot. I'm responding to Ray, who wanted to know when we could phase out affirmative action. What I'm saying is that if we want to set a timeline, let's match the years of oppression that was systematic. My suggestion is not based on how long it takes African-Americans and Native Americans to become self-sufficient. It's based on how much our country owes them.

I really object to rightwing idiots putting words in my mouth.

I get the idea that Jim doesn't understand that there is a difference between affirmative action and welfare. Do your homework, Mr. Homework!

Hope this doesn't double post and thank you for "freaking manipulative right wing idiot" label. Does wonders for civil discourse, not to mention wanting people to take you seriously.

You are the one who decided 400 years and the best reason you can come up with is "that's how long they were oppressed". That's it? 150 years ago slavery was abolished, yet it will take an additional 400 years before their decendants can do for themselves.

Nobody put words into your mouth, you either believe each race is equally capable or you believe some are inferior and require help. Object all you like, there are no other words.

Ray --

You are the reasonable one compared to Jim, so please don't put words in my mouth. This is not about whether the races are equally able -- of course they are. This is about who has oppressed whom, and who has to make up for it.

Slavery ended about 150 years ago, but blacks were oppressed continuously after that, and were prevented from succeeding in life. Jim Crow laws. Poll taxes. Lynchings. When I read about the Deep South during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, it sounds like Nazi Germany. People who murdered blacks just for being black were protected by the law. So yes, we owe black people for preventing them from being overall successful as a population. When many black children who are living in poverty, where you have to avoid gangs during the day, and drive-by shootings at night, and somehow they manage to finish high school, that's an incredible accomplishment. I'm more impressed by a kid who gets a B in that environment than a kid in a safe suburban high school who manages to get an A.

So you wanted a timeline. I'm suggesting one. I'm not setting it down in stone, but if that's what you want, let's make affirmative action last as long as the oppression. You come up with some better timeline, ok?

I'm all for civil discourse, but when someone comes after me, I go back at them. Jim is a rightwing moron. So I'll treat him like one. If other rightwing morons don't take me seriously because I call it like I see it, I can handle that. You seem better than he is so far -- at least you don't throw words like "Marxist" and "Messiah" around.

Looks like I got confused about who was posting. It was you who put the words in my mouth before. I thought it was Jim. Strangely enough, I may owe Jim an apology.

You were indeed being a manipulative rightwing moron. Please don't be one and I won't call you one.

First of all it was Ray that said that, not me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you made a mistake not because of your stupidity but because you were so angry that I proved you wrong, AGAIN.

Second: When they promote or graduate someone because of race or gender, your leftist cronies call that affirmative action. When they give people money for nothing that is welfare. Once again, I hope that I use small enough words for you to understand. I would suggest doing homework on this topic, but like most liberals you seem to get offended by the word "WORK". If you did however you would find that affirmative action does utilize quotas.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?id=2340

You started the name calling, not I!

I've studied the climate; first thing you have to understand is the inconsistency with which data has been collected over the years. Many places where they obtain temperature readings were in rural areas 40 years ago and are now in urban areas where temperatures run several degrees warmer. Second, data has been manipulated; there is considerable evidence to this which has been ignored by the IPCC. Scientist were given grant money to find Global Warming, and they did it. Third, any honest climatologist will tell you that CO2 rises AFTER a warming event not before. CO@ rise is a result from temperature increases not a cause and it's widely believed y climatologist that it's one of nature’s balances to counteract it (CO2 increases promoting growth of Plantae reducing temperature). Of course you are going to argue these facts instead of looking them up.

At any rate, you act like a child and as long as you do you will be treated like one.

Good bye!

You made a mistake...Good enough, you can address the rest.

I've got a better time line. Next Monday.

Stop beating up history, I lived from '51 forward. We are talking about today, right now, real people. The injustices of the past are over and no amount of collective guilt and social provisions can or should erase that from our memories.

You cannot justify continueing affermative action for any length of time simply by saying "they" were oppressed that long. It is ridiculous and condesending to "them".

I disagree with you. It would be great if each generation was a "do over", but that's not the case. Certain groups have benefited from past atrocities, and other groups have been punished and the effects continue. It would be one thing if it was just societal prejudice, but it was more than that. The discrimination and atrocities were enforced and protected by law. So we have to make up for it.

Jim -- You have said, "Good bye" and I say "Good bye", as well. This is not a concession to anything you say. I don't really see a point to us trading posts. We disagree with each other and have different philosophies. Also, your saying that I was the one who started the name calling (suggesting that you are innocent) makes you a liar, and I don't appreciate liars. That makes me suspect you were lying when you said you knew a Colonel in Iraq because liars make up things to make it sound like they know what they are talking about. I think it's hilarious that you of all people think you can call someone else childish. (Didn't you say something about me seeing a jerk when I looked in the mirror? Second grade stuff.)

Gee little Benny, who said this: "I will, however, call a spade a spade, or a jerk a jerk. (I'm looking at you, Jim.)" That was you wasn't it?
So you are the liar. So by your standards everything else you have said is a lie.
Oh and BTW Col. Gregory Solomon son of Gen Leon Solomon is not Col.Sanders

My, things have become a bit heated here at Oasis. Not my intent. I thank you all for stopping by but I regret that you seem to have your collective shorts in a knot. Of course, Benjamin, you must know that I agree with Jim and Ray for the most part. As I said, I think you'd be happier on Huffpo, where facts and history don't count, feelings rule, hate is spewing forth like lava from Mt. Vesuvius, and you can all wear your hair shirts from now until doomsday over all the wrong our country has done, well, EVERYONE, apparently. Me, I regret only the lurching of the country to the far left and the pitiful job of educating the current and last generation that public educators have done.
I am in a bit of a hurry, so some of this will have to wait, but I will say this. Oh yes, affirmative action absolutely means quotas, and there are absolutely different standards for certain minorities than for the bad white people. I have PERSONAL experience with both scenarios.
And Ray is right. We live in the here and now. There are no black people who have been slaves, nor white people (or black people!) who've owned any. Most races of people at one time or another have been slaves. Many still are. The U.S. has never been afraid to address and try to right any wrongs that have been done. I feel no guilt of any sort, for I know we have done far more good than bad and been far more of a blessing than a curse to the world. Benjamin, you can gnash your teeth and mope about all you want over our imagined sins and past shortcomings, but you won't find a better country or a more welcoming people anywhere on earth than we are.

PLEASE don't try to tell me we are oppressing blacks any longer. If they are failing, it is because of their behavior NOW, not slavery THEN. Read Bill Cosby's assessment of that situation. No one is being oppressed, but thanks to Sharpton, Jackson, and Farrakhan, blacks are being hoodwinked into thinking of themselves as perpetual victims--by none other than their "leaders" (see 3 of those at the start of this sentence).
Now, as for global warming/climate change, whatever it is being called these days, if the Head of the Dept. of Climatology at MIT thinks man-made (I can hardly type that without laughing) global warming is a hoax, that's probably good enough for me. However, he's not nearly the only one. There is a list of ACTUAL experts in the field of climatology, geology, atmospheric science, etc. who have ALL come out and stated unequivocably that the climate sure does change, but not because of us. Nor can we do anything to stop that change, other than bankrupt the universe trying. I heard where to find the list on Dennis Prager, but I don't remember where it is, nor do I feel the need to try to find it. Never bought that man-made baloney for a nano-second, and I'm in damn good company on that one.
Jim, Ray, Benjamin have a good weekend. And Benjamin, do try Huffpo or MoveOn or some other site where you will feel more at home. I don't believe any of us will ever impact your thinking in any way, and it seems a shame to waste your time on us. I wish you the best though.

Benjamin, I'll check it out. But you seem to be focused on an event or certain events of the era in which I grew up, rather than on the general atmosphere of the time. It was much less toxic than it is now. As a country, and as a people, we are FAR worse off in many ways now. Materially, better off. Morally, nope. "Civil rights" is not the only bellwether of a nation's worth or well-being.

...it isn't really nice to insult the Bible, knowing as you do that people who believe it also revere it. I know there are many fantastic stories in the Bible. If you would read them, you would maybe discover, if your mind were open to it, that each of them has a message to impart. There is so much wisdom and power in that holy text, along with the hard-to-believe stories you denigrate. There are differences of opinion as to whether the Bible is literal or allegorical or something in between, but those of us who are Jewish or Christian are fortunate to have been given the gift of faith in it and in God. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I cannot imagine a single harmful result if the world followed the words of Jesus and did as he asked. Or for that matter, if the world followed the Ten Commandments. When more of us did, in this country, we were a better place. PLEASE don't bring up past affronts to your sensibilities such as slavery. I am not talking about human mistakes and failures. I am talking about the way out of those mistakes and failures.
I KNOW you don't believe it, but it still isn't nice to be rude to people who do.

The libs always want to blame Bush for everything that happened in the last eight years. There is certainly enough to blame him for without giving discredit where discredit is due: Bush never had a filibuster-proof majority in Congress, nor did he have a majority of any sort the last two years, when things went all to Hell. It is possible to trace the insane spike in gas prices to the very month that democRats took over Congress with their "plans" to lower gas prices. That was the beginning of the economic problems in this country, awhich was exacerbated by the democRat engineered mortgage debacle.

Bush also never had the complicit media that Obama has enjoyed - They were on him from the first moment in office.

Oh, and Clinton was not elected to his first term by a majority, but by a plurality, with Bush the elder and Perot splitting the coservative vote.

I agree wholeheartedly, but as we both know the tiresome libs never let facts or actual history get in the way of their dogma and their determination to alter history to suit same. Thanks for stopping by.

Jim must know the Salomons really, really well. He can't even spell their name correctly.