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Eternal Edge
Energy and Ignorance
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Tuesday, June, 24, 2008 2:24 PM
theoilpatchplug
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and we found most of their oil
Our congress should be thrown in jail for killing off our oil industry.
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Wednesday, July, 02, 2008 2:08 PM
Butcher
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Reply:Multi pronged approach
Joe; you have good points, but you sound like so many others that believe the line we are doomed unless we drill and bring back the NPG.
We are stuck in goo from oil and cannot think beyond its barrel rim. We need to look beyond it and out of the box. Not drill more holes and pray this fixes it.
1. Curb useage. Restrict auto registration and use, to those models that get over 16 MPG while in town or better for now. This would remove 30 to 35% of the cars still being driven on the road by the young, poor and the arogant stupid, that get below that number of MPG.
2. Recycle them into newer cars and make it much easier or make available the cars that get much better mileage to them. Fine or inprison them.
3. Enforce the safety laws for refiners and build more refineries here in America.
4. Make it national pride or what, Maybe an Auto X prize for building a 40 or 50 mpg internal combustion engine in the US and at a cheap cost to make.
5. Continue to build Hybrid cars for Inner city useage. Major cities like New York, LA, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, etc, that have daily gridlocks because of traffic congestion, ban the useage of oil powered autos in them. Build Car park-n-ride sights around them, the new train to work.
6. Go back to inner city public transpotation or some other form, to transport them to work, eat, shop and play.
7. Reduce the number of daily fights to the same city by the same Air carrier. Bring back coach rail travel, but at high speeds. They work and use less fuel, than all the cars or plains they will replace.
8. Return to rail transportation of cargo goods from city to city. Ban interstate trucking and you save 50 million barrels of diesel fuel or better a year.
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Wednesday, July, 02, 2008 2:09 PM
Butcher
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Reply:Multi pronged approach part II
9. Return to Nueclear energy but, try, just try Fussion energy. It does work, and could work better, and less dangerous than fission energy.
There is an old saying but a wise one,
Trick me once, shame on you; Trick me twice, Shame on me.
Well in 1972, I pushed and voted to allow North Slope Oil Drilling, with a promise of better and less dependency.
I wont go for it twice. Burned once is enough, I will continue to look, design and build greener in every project I do. From Heating to Cooling, from driving to flying. I will invest in my childrens and grandchildrens futures.
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Saturday, July, 05, 2008 10:12 AM
Butcher
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MPA 2 Response: Smoke smoke smoke
Joe; Your list of fuel prices from around the global, while impressive are Smoke and Mirrors to deflect from this issues. So scratch it and lets not go thered again. It is moot and not a point of equal comparrisons.
Point3:
In 2005, slate contruction for `new' refinery construct for physcal year 2008.
Yes construction projects are announced three years prior to commencement for bidding purposes. So in the 2005 list, there contained only one listing for a `New' Refinery to be built in the Continental US and no upgrading of capacity to any existing US sites. However there was slated a total of 14 other refineries to be built outside of the US.
And yes we do import `Gasoline' vs `Oil' from Canada, for two very strong reasons;
1. Canada does not wish to expand the existing pipeline into the US.
2. It is more cost effective for both to refine the product In Canada and ship only that which is really wanted by Truck, Rail and Ship.
3. Valero Oil Co., once was Citgo Oil. Which was bought bought by PDVSA, Venezuela's National Oil Co., Ol Commie lover Chavez himself. So What did Mr Chavez do with the start of rising crude cost, but place a 50% windfall profit tax on all foreign own Oil companies, when crude reached $70.oo per barrel. Which would rise to 60% when it went to $100.00. This source is the New York Times.
Stockmarket info from Hotstock.com; Valero L.P. Recent Material Event
Dated 1 Mar. 2008:
Simultaniously with the closing of acquisition of Citico~ by NuStar Energy L.P., a whole owned subsidiary, entered into a contract with PDVSA for 50K barrels/day of Boscan Crude and 25K barrels/day of BCF-13 crude.
So do you support another terrorist group in dealing with Valero? It is a question i do not want to be associated with.
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Saturday, July, 05, 2008 5:05 PM
Butcher
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MPA points 7-9
Point 7: Aitlines are currently curtailing some if not all short hop flights that are not cost effective. Give an incentive of a break on taxes to cover rising fuel costs, or a percentage of interest in the High speed rail system, the would probably do it completely.
Point 8: Long distance hauling has had its day. Born out of the WWII Red Ball system to keep our front line troops supplied. The urgency of Long hauling freight by a driver team is long gone and is hazardous to our highways, traffic and fuel resources. Local and intra-State shipping would still be allowed. But not the load in Cleveland and long drive to LA via interstate transportation. Or make them use Bio Diesel and don't cry when corn on the cob is $12.00 a Doz. or fast food is grilled again and high colestoral comes back infashion.
Point 9: While NP through Fission is safe, the `China Syndrome' still persists and so does `PROPPER and expensive maintenance' With warm fussion you get get electrical power at a cost and safer than fission. Cold Fussion is still a long way off, but warm fussion is here today and does work.
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Saturday, July, 05, 2008 7:17 PM
Butcher
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Energy Ignorance
Joe: At the end of you 3 part MPA post to my blog you mentioned that and I quote`To think that Solar, wind, wave and geothermal are going to replace hydrocarbons in the next 5 to ten years is a pipe dream'
That statement is a view by someone that has either given up on alternatives or has no wish to see any and onky wants what he cannot have.
Today, this minute and actually three years ago. A medium income home was contructed, 3 bedromm 2 bath, family & living room, Dining room and full size Kitchen. 2400 sq.ft living space. Retailed price for home and Utilities.
Wait, what utilities you ask, `Why all of them' I say. well all that i would need to sustain a home.
Price was $124,800, Utilities supplied was, a solar roofed three car garage, which gave you a 0.75 KWH supply, @ 20 Amps of electrical current at 60 cycles.
It also included a 200 kwh@ 30 Amps and 60 cycles wind power mill. On the home was a thermol heated or `solar' array of panelles which heated water within the roof make-up and stored it in tube run throughout the home.
Thousands of various local and state ordinances, as well laws, prohibit this `home' from being commerically marketed.
A Chinese firm is attempting to promote the sale of these Wind Generators for the home market as we speak. If they can do it so can we and have.
It is the Drill, drill drill go to have oil only crowd which objects to America going forward.
i find this treasonist and anti American.
If you want to make us energy efficient then add to what i have stated, do not just say Drill drill drill, and it is not possible.
The only thing not possible is failure from not trying and I get that is what you are preaching.
If I am wrong add to the list of what we can and should do, not subtract till there is only one thing left to do.
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Saturday, July, 05, 2008 9:20 PM
Butcher
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Stiil pitching the same spiell.
http://www.topix.com/com/vli
http://www.hotstocked.com/8-k/valero-l-p-VLI-145133.html
Wikipedia oh come on Joe, you challenge my sourses but pick a whoever wants to add site as legit. That is a three belly laughter.
And as far a Snopes.com and conspiracy nonses, your sight the Nacogdoches county daily Sentinal which perports a possible futer prodject, that is `P O S S I B L E F U T U R E' not set in stone or concrete fact it will happen. And I am not saying it will not, but the sights I gave you and hundreds of others you will say are liberal or slanted say the same thing about Valero. It is Venzuelian Oil being sold in America and was dropped by the Circle K franchise as its fuel supplier. That is fact not conspiracy.
And Cold Fussion is 50 years away at least, but warm fussion is now as is NP from fission. I accept both but prefer the first.
No give me some alternatives to Drill till we drop or do you have none.
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Saturday, July, 05, 2008 11:12 PM
stefano
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Fusion and Straw Man Arguments
There is a fusion (warm as you call it) plant planned in France that is not on line or even completed and is a 10 billion dollar R&D project. It is funded by the European Union. Tell me where there is another one. None exist. zero zilch nada. That project if it pans out may generate the funding of fusion as a viable source of energy. That is a minimum of 40 to 50 years away. I have emphasized in my notes to you that we must develop alternatives but that they are a long war off from supplanting carbon based energy. In the meantime as a necessity we must continue to develop the coal and oil available and build safe nuclear (fission) that we have. You keep throwing up a straw man argument stating that I am opposed to alternative energy. That's false. I am in favor of alternatives. In order to continue to exist while we develop and implement alternatives we must develop what we already have available. I am not opposed to alternative energy. May I also say that I am not opposed to alternative energy. I am in favor of alternative energy. Is it possible that I have made myself clear? I will also say again "Drill here and drill now.
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