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Comment on: TheWayWeAre

The New "GOP for Liberal Dhimmis" Battleplan

103 Comments

BRAVO! BRAVO!

This is what keeps Me Here at Townhall, PPhil...People like You.


Well done, and it couldn't have been stated any better.

"liberal dhimmitude" love the phrase.

"..they have already told us that although they want our votes, they don't want us."

Perfect! Absolutely Right on!

Thanks, this is great!

BRAVO! BRAVO!

This is what keeps Me Here at Townhall, PPhil...People like You.


Well done, and it couldn't have been stated any better.

"liberal dhimmitude" love the phrase.

"..they have already told us that although they want our votes, they don't want us."

Perfect! Absolutely Right on!

Thanks, this is great!

JimmyC

Thanks for kind comments. It took me a while to write this. I really struggled to boil it down to just a few points. I was apoplectic when I began and had to rewrite it many times as I figured it all out. I finally figured that my happiness does not depend on who is president and there is nothing left to do this election but vote independent in November. The GOP just made a fatal mistake that opens the door for conservatives. By the way, I'm watching Chris Wallace interviewing Bush on Fox and the tone is desperate. He even re-discovered Rush and us angry conservatives. It is hard not to conclude that we are winning beneath the surface. We absolutists are such scary people.

I certainly understand...

.....especially about being "apoplectic" and trying to organize Your thoughts.


I will tell You that there are millions of Us out Here that see it EXACTLY the same way that You do.

Well done.

Well, Phil

As you know, we're pretty much on the same page. I, too, am going to be enjoying some newly freed up time, just posting comments on the main columns from time to time when I'm in the mood to stick my finger into the RINOs' eyes.

I am going to maintain my GOP membership, primarily so when the fundraisers call I can give them a hard time. It's fun!

That doesn't stop me from voting for whomever I choose come November. Paul's stated he won't be making an independant run; it was in today's papers.

So, for me, it'll be the Dem, or some other fringe party. Libertarians or Constitution Party, maybe.

Great essay, man!

I usually do not read

too much on the TH blogs (simply because of time) but I am glad I read this one. True conservatism is NOT dead, not matter what the media and the GOP elites would like to force us to think. My only concern about McCain (if he is the GOP nominee) is that there will be enough liberals who WILL vote for him while the conservatives write in their choice or vote for a third party candidate. The libs that will vote for McCain will do so because they cannot stomach Hillary or Obama, and McCain would be their "back-up" liberal choice. From outward appearances it will then look like McCain was a big winner despite the fact that conservatives did NOT vote for him. Does this make sense?

Either way, I am ALL for letting the GOP know, loud and clear, that conservatism is NOT dead and we will no longer hold our nose to vote for a RINO! I have emailed or written the RNC, NRSC, etc. and told them exactly this! If only enough others would do this (just like we did with the amnesty issue.)

Brian, not ashamed tbr

Brian, there are many ways to enjoy this year as a conservative but I really think you should at least reconsider being a "suicide voter". Voting for an independent depresses the major party percentage thus weakening both wings of the UEP. By voting for the Dem you might create the appearance of a mandate for liberalism.

not ashamed. Always happy to see a new visitor. You might want to explore the junior circuit at TH. That's where the conservatives hang out. The senior circuit is now in full RINO mode and I don't expect that to change. As to enough libes voting for McCain. I really doubt it. I expect that most of the Dems he attracted in the open primaries will vote Democrat in November. Were McCain to win under your scenario, it would take an unusually chaotic set of circumstances (race war among the Dems) that would not offer much to build on. I also expect that Congress will be more conservative next year so I'm really not worried about mandates. The economy will be so bad by then that everyone will be on the same page about tax cuts and restraining spending. Stagflation is a scary thing and it is here already.

Tin Foil Hats For Everyone!

Great Phil! Too bad Paul won't be running. You're right, there's no chance IMO McCain can win, it's too stacked against him. So it's time for the GOP to get it's just desserts, as in they deserted us, now we stand up. I'm reconciled already over a Dem White House, it's the congress where work can be done for conservatives.

davecat

I've got my tin foil hat already. I'm wearing it now! I still don't believe him when he says he won't run. I can't believe he ran and is still sticking it out just to spend money needlessly. He's 72 and needs to make his mark THIS year. My bet is he's running.

Yep, Phil, there's

merit in what you suggest, and I'll consider it.

To me, the overriding imperative is that McCain lose. If disgusted conservatives vote for the smaller parties, and Hillary/Obama split the remainder with McCain, he could still pull off a win with a plurality, and that would be about the worst possible outcome.

That's why, at this point, I'm inclined to vote for the Dem.

BrianR

McCain and Obama (my bet) may split the vote but it represents a smaller slice of the overall pie. I'm hoping Ron Paul runs and gets 20-25%. That leaves 75% to split. Impossible to get a mandate out of that. And if the Dems fracture along race, we might see other independent campaigns. So add the usual 3-5% random protest votes, and someone like Ralph Nader getting 5% and/or Al Sharpton getting 3-5%, we're talking about total erosion of about 30-40% of the total vote. Even 30% means Obama would have to crust McCain by 10% just to get 35% of the total vote. That would be a conservative victory as McCain lost to someone who only got a third of the vote. Both "major" parties would be in trouble. Not hard to accomplish. But Ron Paul would have to run and I'm hoping that the possibility of his winning will lure him out. No one who wins with under 40% of the vote is a serious threat no matter what their platform. Meanwhile, we will be scoring victories in Congress.

PPHil

I see what you are saying here that conservatism will not die. McCain has no chance in hell of being voted in.

However, Goshawk and I registered as unaffiliated Independents only to find out we cannot vote in the primaries, thus eliminating any say we would have in the matter of choosing pols.

I'm not sure that's the answer unless you live in a state where indies are allowed to vote.

What say you Phil?

Good article and some new freshly put ideas. Always a treat.

Pep

It all depends on your state. From here on out, it doesn't matter. You can re-register at anytime so it isn't a permanent state. What counts THIS year is that the RNC conspired to undermine our influence and if our votes aren't going to be allowed to count, draining the party of members is the only other thing we can do to punish them before the election. By now, they can see what's coming and it will be interesting to see what they do about it. Pat Buchanan wrote an interesting but futile column today about McCain being contrite but he doesn't seem to believe it either. I think the overriding issue is that we cannot let McCain and RNC to get away with this and voting against him is the only way to that done. Voting independent is the only way to do that and still hurt Democrats as well. You know what they say, keep it simple.

BTW Pep

I don't live and breathe politics. It won't ruin my life one iota to have a Democrat in the White House. Bush is leaving quite a mess and I don't buy into the standard BS both parties always sling about "this is the most important election in history". We always seem to be on the edge of someone's cliff. It just ain't true. We'll be fine no matter what. The GOP.... not so much.

NEW POINT OF VIEW

Not only a new point of view, but absolutely beautiful writing. I notice those things. That, of course, is beside the point.

I have for the last couple of days at any rate been in "surrender" mode, even though I have said I would not under any circumstances even hold my nose and vote for McCain. Was there a choice?

Maybe there is.

All I know for sure is this: McCain has utter contempt for people like me who disagree with his stance on illegal aliens and illegal immigration. His statement that he would build the fence "if we wanted the goddamned fence" infuriated me. Of course we want the g-d fence, and he knows it.

Question: what's in it for him? The illegal alien propositions, that is. It's a question I'd like answered. Do you suppose I'll get it?

Frigglesnitz

Thank you for your kind comments. I'm glad you see the opportunity and as to the fence, there is nothing stopping him from ramming through a bill guaranteeing that the fence will be built by November. Duncan Hunter said it coud be done in six months. Won't happen. McCain is a lying sack of...

Sam

Thanks for the offer. I'll think about it but I'm really not all that charged up to go a crusade and I have a very time-consuming job.

But on the other stuff, I do follow Jerome Corsi and Peter Schiff and get daily e-mail notifications from many government sources, particularly the US Treasury. I happen to agree with their observations and some of their conclusions but I don't believe for a minute that this is the end of America. There is much capital investment that goes unreported that I find very exciting and will start turning our economy around in 5 years or so. In the meantime, I believe that the economy is in such bad shape (thank you Team Bush) that everyone will be cutting taxes and looking to cut government spending next year. I expect that their will be an outright bailout of various segments of the banking industry but the tradeoff will be increased regulation, agreements to cooperate in many investigations that may lead to prison sentences and a revamping of the entire accounting and banking system. Once the banks are under control, there will be clarity and it will be safe once more to invest. I expect that the US will be a major exporter of alternative energy technology by them and we will dominate the world market. Remember of big the oil industry is, the opportunity is huge and no one invests more money in it than US companies. We'll be fine, eventually. Just not soon enough to prevent a GOP loss in November nor save the Obama presidency in 2012. That is a big reason why conservatives will prevail. I hope Ron Paul runs independent. He just might win.

Phil.

A damn good article, and it makes a lot of sense.
You know, "Lou Dobbs" has been preaching indep. for quite awhile now, and a lot of people have changed because of him.

I was registered independent, but had to re-register repub, to vote for Hunter,...which was a "bummer", because he quit.

Now, I will re-register again as Indep. soon.

I've had it with the GOP for a long time now.

When it really started with me was when George#1. said, "it's a new world order",.....and, of course, "read my lips"!

The GOP is hell bent on cramming amnesty down our throats, and McShamnesty will do just that if he becomes president.

If we conservatives flatly refuse to support McCain,....he will SURELY LOSE in Nov. because all the "liberal rinos" will vote demon-rat.

I'd vote for Paul if he ran indep.,...if not, I'd probably "write in" Hunter or Romney.

Keep up the good work!

Sam, now you're talkin'

It's going to be ugly for a couple of years but things will be very different in 2012. For one thing, McCain will have made his mark on history by being a case history for how to orchestrate an electoral catastrophe. Pardon me while I giggle. Pardon me while I ROAR!!

Phil.

A damn good article, and it makes a lot of sense.
You know, "Lou Dobbs" has been preaching indep. for quite awhile now, and a lot of people have changed because of him.

I was registered independent, but had to re-register repub, to vote for Hunter,...which was a "bummer", because he quit.

Now, I will re-register again as Indep. soon.

I've had it with the GOP for a long time now.

When it really started with me was when George#1. said, "it's a new world order",.....and, of course, "read my lips"!

The GOP is hell bent on cramming amnesty down our throats, and McShamnesty will do just that if he becomes president.

If we conservatives flatly refuse to support McCain,....he will SURELY LOSE in Nov. because all the "liberal rinos" will vote demon-rat.

I'd vote for Paul if he ran indep.,...if not, I'd probably "write in" Hunter or Romney.

Keep up the good work!

Phil

Tell me the truth. Were you a cheerleader in high school?


PS: Love the piece, as usual. I'm not writing anything political anymore either (like I do very much of that anyway....), but I'm sticking to My Unique Style. I've nominated myself as the Conservative Erma Bombeck. It'll be all humor & all style-&-vigor for me henceforth. Except when I want to tell of my GOP disdain--which I will do with all the grace I can muster for a group for which I hold much contempt. We shall see.

Course I'll vote 3rd party. I'm considering an Obama vote too. I don't know. We'll see who's cuter come election time. Maybe whoever tells the best joke or has the best blunder gets my vote. I mean, I do require a little bit of "earning."



Phil

I have also arrived at the same conclusions. I ceased making donations to the RNC during the run-up to the 2006 elections. The RNC didn't get the message, although I took great pains to explain that it was Bush toting amnesty and McCain and company not being able to stay on their side of the aisle that was motivating me.

The RNC answer was to fire the solicitors and get new ones. Rove dismissed my complaints to the republicans after the Nov. blood bath and pubs returned to business as usual.

Townhall is indeed proving to be just another media organ of the republican establishment. Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo couldn't get themselves mugged at TH. No, we got all Rudy, all the time, with a dash of Mitt.

Now the kool-aid is McCain flavored but you can bet that the cyanide is still in it. No thank you, I prefer hemlock. McCain thought he could win this election without the conservative vote by running down the middle, if he was right then he doesn't need my vote anyway.

Tazzman

If Ron Paul or some other high-profile conservative doesn't run, I'll be writing in Hunter too. I was upset that he endorsed Huckabee until I remembered his comment in one of the debates that nominating a pro-abortion candidate would be the end of Lincoln's party. His options were very limited. We'll have to see about Townhall too. Hugh's distaste for McCain is very personal and will test his deep loyalty to the GOP come hell or high water. At some point, you have to draw the line and stand for something.

Shining City

No, I played varsity baseball and track.

As a doctor, I don't know how you find the time to write at all. I write lots of investment reports for my clients and maybe I can work some of that in. I'm just not "energized" to fight for any candidate at this point and don't feel like wasting my time arguing with witless RINOs so I'll get my political kicks torturing them by throwing in biting drive-by comments from time to time. Cruel pleasures.

Are you going to be lighting up a cigar in November? A little eggnog on the side maybe?

Sgt Relic!

Always good to see someone new drop by. I'll be checking your blog later (I've been very remiss visiting on the junior circuit lately - system is very buggy).

You know, I keep reading about Dems worried about losing because of their own pending race war. I don't know what they thinking because voters are telling them they want Obama who will dominate in most southern states like Alabama, Georgia, Missouri and probably Florida. I can't see McCain winning in the south which is what is really irking McCain about Huckabee not conceding. All we have to do is vote independent and things will work out no matter who wins.

Thanks for dropping by and for your comments.

Phil, you missed what I wrote

Paul already announced he won't run as an independant.

BrianR

No, I didn't miss it. I don't believe him. What would you expect him to say? The GOP is terrified of him running and are backing him up to a wall. I can't believe Ron Paul will walk away from a plausible chance of winning. Even so, I'll write in Duncan Hunter if he doesn't. It would still be devastating to the UEP were independents to draw a larger share combined than one of the top "major" candidates. If the Dems don't resolve their current "first black vs first woman" crisis, I expect there will be a huge protest vote their too. BJ Clinton thought his 43% in 1992 gave him a mandate too and we got "Don't ask, don't tell" and Hillarycare. Enter "Contract with America" and a Republican tidal wave. Same thing here. No mandate for anyone. It won't matter who wins. Conservatives will be in better shape after November than we are now.

Phil

Terrific piece, I will vote Paul in the fall! If he doesn't run, then I will write in Duncan Hunter. Be A Maverick, No Votes For McCain! GOP-RIP

VPat

Yeah. Let's follow McCain's example and "reach out", vote independent.

I think you're misreading Paul

I may not agree with his policies, primarily foreign affairs, but one thing I do read him as is a straight-shooter. He means exactly what he says when he says it, even when it's wildly unpopular.

Further, whether accurately or not, he considers himself a player in the GOP.

When he says he won't run as an independant, I believe him.

BrianR

I agree with you that he is a straight shooter but he IS a politician and I'm holding out hope that he is just playing the game enough to stay IN the game. Let Huckabee do his damage without further distractions and sooner or later, his chance will come. He might change his mind in the face of "popular outcry" for an alternative. If Huckabee is proving one thing it is that McCain cannot win the south and it is hard to draw a map for GOP victory without the south. Once that is established and widely understood, why wouldn't he run? It's not like he lied saying he has no plans to run an independent campaign.

PPhil

I really liked your column, Phil. I couldn't put it in words, what you said. But, I do not want to be a suicide voter, no way, no how. And, with your well thought out piece, it all makes sense to go "third party". Maybe I need a "sign"(haha), but I was thinking that there had to be a recognized third party. You know what I mean? Like Tories, Whigs, and Absolutists!! Writing in who would have been a republican nominee(say for example: Hunter or Thompson) didn't qualify as the "third party" in my head.
I just couldn't convice myself that a vote for McCain was one 'against' the Dems in order to show my own disgust for the GOP, aside from donating to candiates directly. You put it all into perspective.
I will continue with my plan and write in my "third Party" vote. Excellent. Now, I am going to celebrate early and have my Partagas #4 after supper.

Nee

Here's a way to make a fast million, start printing t-shirts that say "Shoot me if I even THINK of voting for McCain!!!"

I'm kind of indulging in wishful thinking with a formal third party but if everyone who is disgusted, Dems and Reps, picks an independent, that'll get it done.

Cigar, no. Phew.

I know you menz like 'em, but I just can't abide those. Sure fire way to make me close my trap and leave an area. (I know, I know. Now it's a free-for-all with cigar jokes whenever you want me gone.)

I'm in publishing now. Don't see patients anymore. So, I've more time. Gone are my 100 hr. work weeks. My work loads come in fast & furious spurts.

BTW: the Bush legacy

Here is a very revealing study on Bloomberg News about the disaster that has been Bush's domestic program:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=azGzPwI GPlR4&refer=home#

I watched the author interviewed this morning and this is a best case analysis giving Bush the benefit of the doubt on EVERYTHING. How bad do you have to mess up in politics before you get fired? This economy is in a very bad mess. Mitt got lucky not having to deal with this mess.

great column PPhil

I'm still trying to figure out the rules on write-in candidates. I believe if one is not registered as a write-in candidate then one cannot accept the write-in votes. For instance, if Duncan Hunter is not registered in GA then he cannot accept GA votes. The election rules, as to be expected, are kind of confusing. And in Georgia they don't require one to mark party affiliation on the voter's registration form. Anyway, I'm not voting for McCain.

ScarletP

Good point. I'll have to check it out because I want my vote to count. If all conservatives vote this way, we win no matter who wins the election. So simple yet it is so hard to get life-long Republicans to do it. I don't understand it.

Phil

The Gooeys have become McCainiacs. "If you don't vote for McCain, you're for puppies being beaten to death and transsexual Supreme Court Justices." It's getting pretty ridiculous on the main blog, don't think I'll be making too many more visits. The traffic on the main blog is already down, it is becoming an echo chamber of bobbleheadedness. They won't get it until November. Are they in for a big surprise. Yes, we really meant it.
No More Cheap Labor Importers!

VPat

Here's a suggestion: advocate for beating puppies to death and for transexual SCOTUS judges. They can't deal with it. I've been posting comments like "we need to finish the job of destroying this planet so we can move on to the next planet".

I don't know if you noticed but the volume of comments has plummeted. McCain (and the GOP) is in deep trouble and everyone knows it. He is NOT raising money and Huckabee is highlighting how weak McCain is in the red states. I have a feeling Hillary will bow out in less than a month and support Obama. No race war.

I also think talk radio's audience numbers are way up. We are going to make a big comeback later this year. I've been reading more and more columns saying exactly what I say here. This end run around Republican voters is going to backfire in a very big way. We sure are learning how many quislings populated the conservative leadership roles. Lots of careers are being destroyed by suicide. Get that cigar out and don't give up. Just learn how to have fun poking the animals with sticks.

Phil,

They had been "pounding" on Rush, Ann etc., because of their dislike of McCain, but, he who laughs last, laughs longer.
The GOP GOBs are gonna learn a sad lesson,....that conservatives like and respect Rush, Ann, Michelle etc.,....and the "day of reckoning" will be in Nov.

Anymore, TH seems to be infested with apologist McCainiacs, trolls and RINOs, and repeat worn out leftist talking points,...ad nauseum.


BTW, I wonder what Romneys' plans are for the future?

I post frequently on ABP, and except for me and a couple other guys, they've fallen into the McCainiac syndrome,....however, the main host is Patrick Hynes,....{ McCain flunky}., so go figure. Ha.

Another blog I go to is; "Right wing news", and there are many there who say absolutely NOT for McCain,.....so I say our dissidents are many, and growing!

Tazzman

I never thought I would see Michelle Malkin attacked on these sites but many people are trying to lump her with Ann Coulter (who I also like). Michelle is actually a first rate journalist who has been terrific for conservatives. These RINOs are just trying to co-opt the conservative brand by trashing those who gave the brand its allure. I think they are shocked that we would hold together and fight back so ferociously. We not only have well-defined principles, we also have a well-defined message. What's the Republican message now? Unity? That was going to be the post-partisan message after the conventions. Now both parties are fearing serious independent candidate challenges. I can't wait. I've been entertaining myself poking the animals on the senior circuit with sticks to get them riled. Oddly, they have no fight left. I guess allowing "friends of Teddy" to nominate their candidate is even more energizing than "anybody but Hillary". And now it looks like Hillary will not be there in November. There really is a God and He's on our side.

Georgetwin

I've been trying to visit your site but can't get in. Heck, if this comment posts, it's on my third try. It's not going to be a good day for me at TH.

BrianR

So what do WE get from Mexico in exchange? It just never ends with the Bush crowd. We are being led by defacto criminals. Please impeach this guy, even if it's just for double parking. We can't take any more.

Sam

Maybe this race is going to take an unexpected turn in a new direction. I've been telling the RINOs that since the Democrats nominated the GOP candidate, let THEM elect him.

BTW. I'm reading "The Looming Tower" about how Al Qaeda developed and everything revolves around Saudi Arabians and their money. The odd thing is that they come off as incompetent cowards. The mujahadeen in Afghanistan have no respect for them.

I hope you clicked on Brian's link above about how Bush is now giving $1.4 billion to Mexico to build a border fence on THEIR southern border.

Sam

Why is it that we are bigots for insisting on a fence that say doesn't work? But they are willing to waste so much American taxpayer money for a fence that WILL work in Mexico and THEY aren't bigots for wanting one? It's the audacity of their lies that is so infuriating. No wonder these one-worlders all seem to have a perpetual smirk on their faces.. Bush, McCain, Kristol, Graham. The upcoming November catastrophe is going to scare both parties when they realize that we are still around and ready to sandblast Washington again and as often as necessary. Let's make sure we elect a lot of conservatives to Congress.

Phil

I just posted my new essay "Bread and Circuses" at the Island. Come on by when you get the chance.


Kind of deals with all of this in a macro/historic context.

Great as usual PasPhil,

and of course they're helping build a fence in southern Mexico, that's the southern border after all. Or at least the only one that actually means something.

I fully agree with what you wrote, and my only question is would it help underline the point if we could arrive at a consensus on who the write-in candidate for Pres should be? I'm also curious, do you get a chance to write-in the VP's name too?

philosophicon

I think it would be better to have a specific candidate but if no one runs but the usual suspects (Independent Party, Constitution Party, Libertarian, Communist, Green, etc...) Writing someone in is the second best. But every state has different rules about write-ins and some of them are so complicated that we run a real risk of having our votes not counted. I got an e-mail earlier this week (might have been GOPUSA) urging the writing in of a specific fictitious candidate's name just to isolate the protest vote. That would be great if it is practical but I need to find it and see what is involved. What is critical is that McCain gets humiliated in losing in November. How much worse can Obama be than Bush? Our economy is in total disarray (I'm listening to Bernanke/Paulsen/Cox testifying in Congress as I write this).

philosophicon

Here's a pledge everyone should sign from GOPUSA

The "Contract With Conservatives"

http://www.gopusa.com/activist/petitions/petition.php?petit ion=080211_cwc

Phil

Your comment to philosophcon is the subject of my new post. Stop by if you get the chance. I'd be interested to hear your take.

I am not despairing at al!

I well know that the GOP needs the conservative base of the Party and the resounding defeat of John McCain should serve as wake-up call for them...but it probably won't. The GOP establishment is committed to this "outreach" approach and will probably see their abandonment by conservative voters as a reason to do more outreach! What I think we conservatives need to do is make sure that we take the Party back from the bluebloods who have never had a great deal of use for us. We do that by voting for conservative candidates for the Congress on election day in both Houses. Electing a strong slate of conservatives should be a sign to those dimwits that we demand conservatism, not watered down liberalism!

Update

I got a email begging letter today from Human Events. I was a paid blast email from the McCain campaign. The following is and excerpt, McCain writing:

"This election is going to be about big things, not small things. And I intend to fight as hard as I can to ensure that our shared conservative principles prevail."

Shared conservative principles, indeed. Man, this one curdled my coffee.

I also noted that he didn't elaborate on what those principles included outside of the war, smaller government and taxes. All true but narrowly focused.

No Sale!

Sam

Send me an e-mail. I don't have a way to contact you.

Flagwaver

Exactly! But we need to prevent a mandate in the presidential election too. We absolutely should not vote for Obama or McCain but we vote. It's all about watering down the percentage the winner gets. I would love that number to be below 40%. Clinton got 43% in 1992 and acted like he had a mandate to take to the all-Democrat Congress. Wrong. He got his head handed to him over Hillarycare and gays in the military which produced the Contract with America. Now we already have the Contract with Conservatives. We need to kill any possible mandate and we can do it because we account for about a third of all voters.

Sgt Relic

I get those McCain e-mails too. And from GOPUSA too, the "Contract with Conservatives" people. All of the "conservative" intermediaries are desperately trying to prove that they have influence over us and can corral us into the GOP camp again. We need to put cotton in our ears and ignore the sirens call. We don't need to be part of that shipwreck.

Conservative Strike

Conservative strike!

Lend your voice and your vote to the Conservative Strike Movement. Go to http://www.DaveRasputin.com or the Banana Republican blog at http://conservativestrike.blogtownhall.com where they lay out the argument why the symbolic write-in vote for John Galt will save conservatism, the Republican Party, and the country.

"I will put an end to this, once and for all . . . I will stop the motor of the world." - John Galt*

Excerpt from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Conservative Strike Vote - John Galt for President

Pretty much there

Phil...they chose the course, we can only play the hand. The angst and anger McCain had in 2000 for the fringe "agents of intolerance" is not forgot.

I wonder what that “unity for the sake of Party” means considering the condition of the Party, and the magnetic pull in the wrong direction. Sort of shallow sounding? Worse yet, we have no idea what kind of PARTY it will be if McCain has his influence. Couple that with his maverick style. This guy wants to define (more like redefine) conservatism. Then there are those grass roots he’d kill off - given the chance. All very…amusing.

And you are so right, this "they'll all come together at the end” crap (to defeat a dem)is irritating. If that is not an arrogant shot taking conservatives for granted, I don’t know what is.

xpressit

After watching the video of Bush '41 endorsing McCain for what seems like the 100th time, I noticed that McCain used curious logic in accepting that endorsement.

"We as a party must unite and move forward and attract not only members of our own party but independents and so-called Reagan Democrats,"

"We as a party" is not exactly embracing conservatives and "so-called" Reagan Democrats? It's about as blunt an acknowledgment that the GOP has no base and is terrified in being seen as reaching out to conservatives by the very Dems and libs who nominated the GOP candidate. It betrays a profound lack of confidence. There just isn't much of a party left to unite. I have a feeling that party registrations have taken a steep decline very recently.

curious indeed

Yea, Phil wow... why not "so-called independents"? Its nice to know the old "new world order" wing of the base is on board ;) This might even be funny as it unfolds.
(so-called base that is)

xpressit

What it really reveals is that the GOP has known for a long time that its numbers are down so sharply that they cannot elect one of their own. That, to me, is the definition of a dead party. No ideas, no principles, no members... just a country club for and ambitious wealthy weasels.

Berkeley still fighting

New post, stop by if you get a chance.

Wonderfully on point Phil


I also have made a decision to enjoy the train wreck that is coming in the next 9 months. If one puts themselves in the proper frame of mind, watching Billary flame out and McCain get skewered by his *friends* can be positively de-lightful. It's all in how you look at it.

Found the "talk to the hand" comment especially funny!

Does anyone WHO will be running on the independent ticket? I know it's not Paul. At least that's what he says.

sgt relic, 1maschrom

Sarge, I'll be over soon

1maschrom

Sorry, accidentally hit enter instead of shift.

Thanks for dropping by and for your comments. I'll be voting "other" even if the only choice is a pile of dung. I'm waiting for Scarlet Pimpernel's new "Free Ice Cream" party to announce their candidate.

PPhil

I'm making my own statement this weekend. By Sunday afternoon, I'll post the Crawfish Party Platform 2008. It will probably be a multi-part post, as it's getting quite long. Libs will shiite themselves!

Sam

I saw that video earlier this morning. It's a reprise of a similar performance the swimmer made in LA during his amnesty bill campaign trying to get the Mexicans here in LA to come out and protest. It was widely mocked as embarrassing pandering, even among the Mexicans.

Close one

That is about as close as I have ever come to puncturing my own eardrums. So swimmer boy wants the good folks of Laredo to come out and vote for Bambi, I suppose he means if they don't get kidnapped before Novemba'.

Phil

I've made an intrepid attempt at commenting about race. Scary. Stop by if you get a minute.

PPhil.....

I liked your article and the thread following it. Alot of the discussion reflects my thoughts too.

Until I see "Crawfish's" platform, I will be writing in Duncan Hunter's or Donald Duck's name for POTUS. (In the last election I don't think Mississippi had any 3rd parties listed.)

I am placing your address on my blog roll. If you get a chance, stop by my site.

Thanks Graywolf

I'll drop by in a few and add you to by blog roll, if it's working.

Hey PPhil

Your comment on Dcat's blog summarizing the economy was easy to understand. I thought we were doing well. Can you do an entry on what you think about the economy? Also, how about one on smart investing?

I'm a librarian and I'm neck-deep in information overload about the economy and personal financing to the point of paralysis by analysis.

Just an idea since you want to break from political entries.

Thanks,
SP

ScarletP

It's something I've been mulling around for a while. I already write a monthly newsletter (for clients only - this is a very regulated business) and it wouldn't require much modification to satisfy the regulators. I can't give specific investment advice publicly, that's just the way it is and should be. My general advice is keep it simple. Common sense goes a LONG way so don't follow the thundering herd because the noise is deafening, smells awful, you're always up to your knees in others' crap and when the tail in front of you disappears, guess who's going over the cliff next?

Phil,

What happens if "Huckleberry" gets enough delegates to prevent McScamnesty from getting 1191?
Would that cause the convention to have to "broker" the delegates, and wouldn't it be a good way to "FORCE" McCain to sign some kind of contract,{that he can't get out of},.....or am I dreaming?

tazzman

I don't know. It could throw everything into chaos and my guess is that neither would end up being the candidate. The polls and trends look awful for the GOP and are probably going to get worse. You can't go with a candidate who is chasing party registrations down. Particularly when the opposing party has found an eloquent, inspirational and charismatic (however lacking in substance) candidate. It was a big mistake to start the campaigning so early and a bigger mistake to rig the primaries. November is a LONG time yet. Anything can happen. We may be looking at a President Steve Adams.

Yeah,

I was just curious about what would happen,{I don't know much} about conventions, etc., but I swear, I'm wondering if that wouldn't be a better "scenario",...sending a clear message to McCain and his "puppet masters", the NWO, Rockefeller/ RINO/GOB money whores.


We really do need a new conservative third party.

tazzman

The only simple path I see for 2008 is to vote "other". Were conservatives to ALL vote for the same independent candidate, whatever his platform (remember, we're holding our noses and closing our eyes), that could be 30-33% voting outside of the UEP. Even if he were to "win" the election, I really doubt he would survive the electoral college process. There was a very interesting discussion at Powerline about just that a few months ago and it wasn't clear how that would work because it has never been tested. The chaos that would ensue would go a long way to reforming both parties because a new party would likely emerge. Conservatives may not be a party but we are a HUGE voting block. That is why Townhall is so silent suddenly. RINOs are not hindered with principles or ideas so their discussions are usually vapid ("perfection is the enemy of the good", e.g.). Might as well discuss the argue over what is cuter, baby duckies or fluffy bunnies. Without conservatives, nothing happens.

Phil,

I guess it's just a "wait and see scenario", huh?

In all of my memory, I don't believe I've ever seen the Repub. Party so screwed up!

I wish we could get ALL conservatives to "write in" Hunter in Nov!....That's who I'm gonna support,.....I'd die before I'd vote demo-rat!

tazzman

I don't know what happens when you "write in". If it doesn't get counted, you are wasting your vote. Unless someone convinces me that my write in would get counted, I'm going to vote for whoever is the least objectionable "other", however objectionable he/she may be. Could be Ralph Nader but I'm thinking Constitution Party.

Phil,

Yeah, that's an idea,...I'll have to keep it in mind......I could go for "other",..as long as it isn't demo.

yes, i figured

PPhil, I knew you couldn't be specific about finance so thanks for the common sense advice. Right now we're "investing" in our debt i.e. paying it all off. I like your take on the economy because it is certainly not what I've been hearing.

ScarletP

Paying off your excess debt (credit cards e.g.) is absolutely critical. How much money you save is also more important in the long run than getting a great return. If you can do both, it makes many years of difference in the end. As a librarian, you probably have access to some good information. The key in this economy is to watch the dollar continuing to sink while oil and gold climb. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Means the government will be printing a lot of money in a stagnating, inflationary economy. The most difficult problem to solve. I'm probably going to start posting pieces on the various important situations that are threatening our economy.

Sam

Yeah, I saw that this morning. I also understand that our troops take an oath to the UN too, in case they are assigned to a UN mission.

Sam

There has been a concerted effort by the various Fed board members the past couple of days to try to calm the nerves of investors and the business community over recession/inflation fears and it has fallen flat. Gold is soaring again as is oil while the dollar has entered into another leg of free fall. The bond market has pulled away from Fed efforts in a way similar to the 1930s. The voluntary mortgage bailout effort is failing miserably. Today, it was revealed that yet another category of off-balance sheet investments will need to be written off, Variable Interest Entities (VIE) amounting to an estimated $88 billion more...at least... from the same crowd, Citibank, Merrill, UBS, Goldman Sachs etc... We can't go a whole week without yet another big shoe dropping. We ARE in a recession, inflation is much higher than reported and it's going to get much worse.

Sam

Bernanke will be addressing Congress tomorrow. Everyone will be listening carefully for the "r" word, recession. Kohn used it today but was still whistling past the graveyard of inflation (wouldn't say anything about the collapsing dollar, nor gold and oil prices. Also, the DOW climbed to over 12,600 (important resistance ceiling) today on a pile of very bad news. The IBM announcement to extend their share repurchase does not warrant a market rally. Is this a technical rally to set up a big sell-off tomorrow? We'll find out. This is a market that is ripe for a major sell-off. The technical support is at 11,600 and falling from 12,650 would be more than enough to break past it. I don't expect it tomorrow but I wouldn't be surprised to see the market drop 2500 points in one day. On the other hand, were Bernanke to level with us and speak frankly about what everyone else knows, we could get a minor relief rally. Even Kohn today admitted that it we are in for a difficult two years at least. That is a far cry from what the sunshine the financial media and politicians keeps blowing at us.

Sam

If you can find it, get a video of Ron Paul's questioning of Bernanke. Bernanke's reply was short but on the mark. He admitted that the Fed's efforts at price stability are failing but that it wasn't within the Fed's purview to go to the gold standard.

Bernanke also used the "r" word and beyond by admitting widespread misbehavior from deregulation and lack of regulatory oversight. We are going to be seeing a wave of re-regulation and I hope re-instituting the Glass-Steagall Act is at the center of it.

Phil

Just wanted to let you know you won't be seeing me around the threads. It's just not fun anymore. I need a break at the least. I'm kind of dispirited that the RNC was able to get their amnesty candidate. Obamania is already taking over, and the RNC neutralized the one issue that would have made the difference. Stupid Party.

VIrginia P

I'm very sorry to hear that. I'm very frustrated too and it doesn't help as I watch more and more people here fall into the "McCain may be bad but we can't let Obama win" trap. It's not just the RNC that is stupid, Republican voters don't seem to be too bright either.

Keep checking in once in a while. I've probably posted my final political essay for a while but I'm planning on taking a different direction with blogging. I already have a professional website for my business and I may link it to a blog. There are regulatory issues involved. Whatever I do, I will announce it here. I have to get past tax season first. Cheer up. It's only politics.

phil

I'll check in here or at brian's on occasion. I might need to do some gun talking. I forgot to tell you that I saw a pink Glock on the T.V. Apparently there is a company creating designer firarms for women in decorator colors. They had a zebra stripe rifle, too. I added a Marlin Model 9 to my collection recently, very cool little carbine.

Oh,and last Sunday at the range with my Browning, I put the first shot at 20 yards dead center. Pulled that target in and kept it. Next 99 were 70% inside 4", none outside 8". I'm definitely improving.

VPat

I'm sure Brian would agree that a Glock of any color is just as good. I'll stick to my black matte though. I can't get enough of my Browning .22 though. The most fun gun I own. I can group pretty good up to 15 yds but 20, that's good shooting, beyond me so far. I did go rifle shooting a few days ago and finally learned how to fine tune my scope. Made a big, big difference. I'll probably be buying a Ruger mini-14 next and a Remington 700 30-06 at some point. I need to "grow" into the bigger calibers and I can still get a lot better with my Ruger 10-22. It's always fun to be at the range.

Phil

Ruger makes really great guns. I have several, 2 p89 semi-auto 9mm pistols and a pc9 carbine also in 9mm, they all take the same magazines. I saw a mini 30 in 6.8 that caught my eye. My son would prefer if I got it in 7.62x39. Stainless steel barrel and receiver with synthetic stock. Very nice. My pc9 has the synthetic stock and it seems like it would be nearly indestructible, very solid and weatherproof.

Very glad to hear you're liking your Browning, don't know how anyone who has shot one wouldn't.

Phil and V.P.


I have a Ruger 10/22 that I got for my B.day way back in 1976.
It has printed on the barrel: "Made in the 200th. year of American liberty".....They are great little rifles.

V.P., I also have a P 85- 9mm,....what a sweet handgun!....I've had it for several years too.

then again....

we could always get a candidate for the Crawfish Party to run.....

Crawfish

If I see Crawfish on my ballot, it's automatic, that's where my vote is going. Can't turn down free ice cream!

You Are Correct, Sir!

In fact, the more I comment on McCain, the plainer his scheme becomes to me.

McCain running as a Republican after McCain has COLLABORATED with the Democrats on Amnesty bills and Freedom of Speech bills is giving the middle finger to conservatives everywhere.

The Republican party has been infiltrated. Rino's are Democrats.

McCain is a Democrat mole who has been 'sleeping' for many years but his record of 'reaching across the aisle' considered along with his 'gang of 14' and other 'thumb in the eye' of his own party shows he is a Democrat mole.

His support ..nay, his co-sponsorship of an AMNESTY bill along with his co-sponsorship of an anti-free speech bill is totally in line with progressive socialist goals.

McCain does not wish to win the election; his sole purpose at this time is to throw the election into the Democratic camp which he is doing quite nicely by dumping on his base support conservatives.

Buck

You are 100% correct. The over-riding message this year is "healing the divide" as if there was nothing left to argue over. The ruling elites have decided that the government should be left to them only. We are now in a "post-partisan" era supposedly. That is what Obama's message is all about and what McCain keeps talking about when he claims that he is the only one who Democrats listen to. Quisling could have said the same thing about negotiating with Hitler. There is nothing left to discuss about this election except which third party candidate we should be voting for.

THE ORWELLIANS are here~

I never thought Obama could be outdone in Orwellian NEW SPEAK DOUBLE-THINK.Wow! Pasadena Phil is my nominee(Ron Paul? How full of dreck is this guy?)for INNER PARTY O'Brian of the Year~ IGNORANCE is STRENGTH; DEFEAT(Here & Irag/Iran)is VICTORY;FREEDOM IS SLAVERY;(rank)STUPIDITY is SAGACITY...
Politics is the art of the possible. The DEMOCRATIC remnant is about to IMPLODE in 4th REALIGNMENT election in our nation's brief history. PP wants to throw-in the towel and snatch utter defeat and catastrophe from a "practical" reprieve? More than"half" voting "Republicans" are NOT(Republicans or Libertarian Conservatives)!
(I am existential Catholic).WE NEVER EXPECTED anything from Republican oligarchs.But to lay-down before elitist,crypto-fascists of the Left? Hell will freeze over first! The SECOND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR has begun.At least
C-in-C McCain will protect USA from ENEMIES abroad...while we regroup & SUPREME COURT retools
~ending ABORTION as Democratic Party's sine qua non nuclear issue and BLUEST litmus test version of anti-Western/anti-Democratic/anti-Christian CIVIL RIGHT...
Arthur McVarish, Houston

Mac777

Obviously you don't agree with me but be careful projecting your fears onto the situation. This election is definitely Orwellian but McCain winning is not a victory for conservatives. You might want to restate your point in a way that presents a cogent argument. Irrational fear based on party affiliation alone is pointless. The survival of civilization is not at stake in this election. We have had have much worse presidents than any of the candidates running.

BTW Mac777

If you've been around TH for awhile, I have frequently been cited as being one of the most effective anti-Ron Paul commenters here at TH. Since he is clearly out of the picture, he is now irrelevant. Vote for Bob Barr. He won't win but he is a perfectly good candidate to concentrate on in focusing the protest vote that will deny the winning liberal, be it Obama or McCain, a mandate to use in trying to advance the globalist liberal agenda.

DNC Pasadena Phil

On immigration, McCain with all his flaws is far better than Obama and Hillary. Chances are his VP will be Pawlenty or someone else strong on really fixing the immigration problem. You want to see open borders, get either Hillary or Obama elected.

McCain is substantially better on: restricting spending and imposing fiscal restraint, lowering taxes (and drawing a line against raising them), and fighting earmarks and pork spending bills. There is a reason guys like Tom Coburn support him.

How can you claim to be a conservative if you are willing to give Barak Obama and a Democratic controlled congress the free choice of Federal judges and justices without a fight? This is madness.

You do not win by losing, you just lose.

DNC Joe

The way the RNC has evolved, conservatives win when conservatives win elections. Unfortunately for you and the other RINOs, these days, conservatives when certain Republicans lose. Kind of like 1992 and 1996. It's all about furthering the conservative agenda which cannot be done by voting for ultra-liberals like your McCain. He is doomed. Dems are registering new voters like there is no tomorrow and raising money in multiples of McCain's fund raising. He cannot win. I can't wait for November.