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Comment on: More Government is Never the Answer

PETITION: No more Republicans who reject Reagan Conservatism

26 Comments

We're in!

I signed both my husband and I up. Thanks for posting this important message/petition.
I had commented on Matt Lewis' Blog last night.
He had a great list of questions from Blackwell, that were hopefully going to be submitted to each candidate running for the RNC chair. We need to have our conservative candidates vetted and examined by our own party first. That way we can weed out any Rino's and possible scandals that will hurt the conservative movement.
Thanks for your work!

Thanks!!

Jennifer,

Thanks for signing the petition! It's our petition as Reagan Conservatives and I want to send a strong message.

Keep telling others about the petition!

Kathryn

"0" TOLERANCE FOR RINOS $ WIMPS

Your articulation of Conservative requirements is not difficult to read. Very well organized. The words are reasonable and easily defined.

We should not be kind to officeholders and those with GOP ambitions who refuse to sign.

Dutch, Burke, Muggeridge and Russell Kirk would be proud of you. Bork, Rush, Hannity, Levin, Boortz, Savage, Laura, Dr. Sowell, Dr. Willaims and all of the others continuing to take big risks should take note and be supportive.

RealCon

Your bumper sticker analysis of Ronald Reagan's accomplishments is embarrassing for you. I suggest you read up on what he stood for and accomplished successfully in his eight years.

Kathryn. RealCon has disinfo ring...

RealCon is a disinformation specialist, a true obfuscatus in woodus pilus.

I haven't seen one of these since LBJ was in office. RealCon has that High "C" above "Low Crapus" shrillness. It probably

Rush has labelled these static blips "programme callers." The dems have become perfectos in creating them.

Do you notice that you can't bring up it'd bio?

Klemcadiddle

Love your comments!

Trying to throw facts and logic at those who didn't arrive at their conclusions with facts and logic is futile and frustrating!

Look what what Ronnie gave us.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Bush will get the blame for our economic collapse, but the real blame belongs to Reagan. He is the one who buried us under a mountain of debt.

Kathryn

Thanks for posting this link, I will be on my way to sign it after posting my comments here. Better late than never, right?

creekboy -- Not Reagan's debt

Creekboy,

Ronald Reagan laid out detailed plans for the retirement of our national debt and a balance budget. It was the Democrat Congress who chose to continue increasing spending.

Read a little history and the Constitution. It was the Dem Congress at work.

Kathryn, Please look at this graph!

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
This graph clearly shows the insanity of Reagan VOODOO economics.
After WWII we had enormous public debt. Our grandparents and parents worked their hearts out to build a successful economy, always year over year the national debt was reduced.
Then came Ronnie, The graph went completely out of control. When you and Ronnie put America under a mountain of debt, you disrespect the toil of all our grandparents.

Creekboy

The Democrat Congress demanded more spending. They proposed more spending. They would not give Reagan anything unless it involved more entitlement spending on their part. They refused to halt massive entitlement spending while we did what we had to do to win the cold war.

You'll, of course, disregard all this because you hate the military, Ronald Reagan, etc. and think that money toward entitlement is worthwhile, and money for military spending is a waste.

No Kathryn

We had Democratic congresses sense Ike. That old excuse doesn't fly. The only thing that changed in 1981 is Ronnie and supply side economics.
Under Ronnie we charged on the credit of our children. Now the tab is due and our standard of living will fall.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Creekboy

No, the thing that changed is we decided to win the Cold War. The Democrat Congress refused to curb spending while we did so. Check your facts. It's not the Pres but the Congress that spends the money. I would diversify your sources for studying history.

History is clear

Under Ronnie's leadership the country I love was buried under a mountain of debt. What kind of leader would allow this to happen? Look at this graph, follow the trend fro 1940 to 1980. Now follow this trend to 2010. We would almost be out of debt right now, in time for the baby boomer to retire. This debt is what you wanted, if government is the problem, as Ronnie said, then the government, i.e., social security, must fail. When the debt was obviously out of control, they started borrowing from the social security trust fund to hide the debt.
George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton brought some sanity to our fiscal policy. They turned the trend. Finally our national debt was on a downward path. It took W no time to put on a path of out of control debt.
Last year we paid half a trillion dollars on interest on the national debt.
You must be so proud.


Creekboy--listen hard

I'm not disputing that our national debt went up.

(1) You don't want to admit the reason: Democrats' spending. Like I said before, you don't think military spending is worthwhile. You think that entitlement welfare spending is.

(2) In the 1980s, Reagan decided to WIN the long-running dangerous Cold War. This was a departure from the previous administrations who just wanted a "draw" with Russia (who was intent themselves on winning and wanted nothing to do with a "tie".)

To win, Ronald Reagan laid out a plan to increase military spending while still meeting current entitlement needs at home. *****The Democrat Congress REFUSED to curb new entitlement and other domestic wasteful spending. ***** You can say the sky isn't blue, but it is and this IS what happened in the 1980s. I've just educated you. Now go and read more about what actually happened.

Two questions for you Creekboy:
1--Which branch(es) of Congress does the Constitution give exclusive power to raise revenue for the government?
2--So, how did Reagan win the Cold War? Turns out Reagan had a detailed plan and systematically executed it during his eight years. Tell me, Creekboy, what was just one of the prongs of this multi-faceted plan?

If you are going to have any credibility, you've got to understand what took place in the 1980s. Right now, you've got zero credibility.


The National debt went up?

No, the national debt exploded under Ronald Reagan's leadership.
George H.W. Bush hit the nail on the head, it's voodoo economics. It was reckless to allow the the debt to go so far out of control. Ronnie knew when the tab came due he'd be long gone. You can rationalize all day long, but you can't argue with the numbers.
You remind me of a friend of mine. Her and her husband have run up huge out of control debts, but she blames it all on him. She says "I didn't want that new truck, he did". Take responsibility for your policies.
Debt, debt and more debt, thats the Reagan legacy.
Answers:
1) The legislative branch spends under the signature of the executive. We should expect both branches of government to work with reason. Supply side economics is, and was, insanity. How many budgets did Ronnie veto?
2) If Ronnie won the cold war, why do we need Sarah Palin in Alaska keeping an eye on Putin's ugly head?

Creekboy, blind to dems spending

Creekboy,
You are so intent on blaming Reagan, that you completely give the Dems a pass who refused to curb their spending. Let me say that again so you get it: Reagan laid out plans to curb the increase of government entitlement spending. The Dems refused. The DEMS refused.

Reagan won the Cold War. There is no longer a Soviet Union. It is not a communist country. The Berlin Wall fell. Now, just because a new former KGB leader comes along and wants to reestablish the Soviet Union, doesn't mean that the Cold War as it was being fought for decades didn't end. Your knowledge of history is embarrassing.

I'm going to repeat this again, because you don't acknowledge it: Reagan had a detailed plan to crush the Soviet Union. He needed to spend money as part of that plan. It was the Democrat Congress that refused to curb spending. Reagan had to get Congressional bills passed to win the war. The Democrats attached massive spending to those bills. They wouldn't give Reagan anything he needed in the war without THEIR pet spending projects attached. Reagan time and again told them if they curbed the increase of entitlement and wasteful spending, the debt wouldn't go up. It did. That was the Dems choice. Reagan toppled the Soviet Union without the Dems help.

Since you won't recognize the points I keep making and just want to keep saying that the debt went up, this isn't a conversation. I'm talking to a two year old who has his mind set on a toy. I do suggest that you read up. The best book with lots of documentation is Peter Schweizer's "Reagan's War." Read that and we can have an intelligent conversation. You'll have more to say than "yeah but the debt went up." We can talk about why and you can acknowledge it.

Creekboy, PS

Creekboy,

You also don't seem to have a grasp of what the Soviet Union was during the Cold War. It held entire nations behind bars. It killed millions of it's own people for fear and to silence opposition. Children were taught to turn in their parents if mom or dad said anything negative about the USSR. People, millions, disappeared in the dead of night never to be seen again. The people of Poland were hostages in their own country. There wasn't enough food. There wasn't enough clothing. Spirits were crushed.

I suggest you read up on what the old Soviet Union was. People risked their lives trying to escape it. Many died in process. We were at fear daily of them nuking us. It was a real possibility. Until Reagan.

Read up. Go beyond your chart. Seriously. It will be an eye opener. Communism in the 20th century killed over 100 million people.

A Triumph of Politics

I suggest you read this book written by David Stockman, Reagan's budget director. He wrote how he warned Ronnie that the deficit was getting out of control. What did Reagan do? He took Stockman to the woodshed, told him to toe the party line, he needed to be reelected.
You act as if Ronnie won the cold war single-handed, like those 60,000 killed in Vietnam didn't have anything to do with it. Patriots like Max Cleland and Senator Kerry that you spit on.
This is why your brand of politics can never be given power again.
Supply side economics and neo-consevative foreign policy; these are the tragic failures you have to live with. Own these failures.
My children will have to pay the debts you and Ronnie ran up.

Creekboy

You're a broken record in the face of facts. Read Schweizer's "Reagan's War" and stop glossing over the Dem's spending in order so you can hate Reagan.

Own the failure of supply side economics

Two drunk right wing economists draw a fairy-tail graph on a cocktail napkin; 30 years later, we're bankrupt.
Lafler sold this voodoo to Ronnie, he sold it to you.
My children have to pay.

Creekboy

The Communist Soviet Union was demand-side and they had no supplies. Communist China was demand-side and they were economically starving as a country until 30 years ago they started letting in capitalism. Now, with the supply-side capitalist infusion, China is doing much better economically.

If you do want to learn more about what you've formed opinions on, I do suggest you read the "Reagan's War." You'll have a little credibility in what you're talking about.

I have formed opinions

because I lived through it. I heard the almost instant warnings about run away debt. Year after year our industrial base shutting down and our deficit growing. All Ronnie did was talk about the debt. He didn't do anything while enjoying the growth built on my children's debts.
Look at the graph.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

I have formed opinions

because I lived through it. I heard the almost instant warnings about run away debt. Year after year our industrial base shutting down and our deficit growing. All Ronnie did was talk about the debt. He didn't do anything while enjoying the growth built on my children's debts.
Look at the graph.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html