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An Embassy of Red in a State of Blue.
The Allegory of Adam and Eve
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 12:00 AM
Leah
writes:
i disagree
Adam and Eve did die when they ate the fruit. In Ephesians 2:1 it says that they became spiritually dead in their transgressions and sins. There are two kinds of death: physical death and spiritual death.
Where does God say that they'd better keep them from the Tree of Life to prevent them from living forever? In Genesis 2:9, it presents the two trees, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In Genesis 2:16-17, God tells Adam and Eve that they can eat from any tree, except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I dont see any evidence that He wanted to keep them from the tree of life. Unless you are referring to Genesis 3:22 where God says that man must not be allowed to eat from the tree of life and live forever; which would further support my other claim. Because man now understood good and evil, because he had disobeyed God and sinned, now he was dead, destined for hell, destined to be eternally separated from God, and could not live forever.
On that note, they may or may not have been physically immortal, but since they could commune with God prior to the Fall, we can assume that they were spiritually immortal.
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Tuesday, July, 24, 2007 3:20 PM
Weebork
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Genesis (~4K BC) vs Ephesians (~63AD)
I would also have to ask, then, if the discussion is referring to spirituality, then why does God mention man returning to the dirt from which man came? What does returning to the ground have to do with spirituality? If it's all spiritual in nature, what is the point of mentioning that physical bodies decay and disintegrate? Also, as minor issue, if it is, indeed, true that Adam and Eve died spiritually when they ate of the fruit, why did it take, potentially, thousands of years for this important bit of information to be revealed?
I have read the Ephesians reference you have given and perhaps there is an error, as there is no mention of what you speak of, nor is it in any of the first several chapters in Ephesians. Is there an error? If that is the correct reference, then it is not a strong supporting point because it takes an inferential leap to conclude what you suggest.
Regardless, this still does not explain the issue over Satan. Why did God punish an animal if it was merely Satan in disguise? Was Satan cursed spiritually too, then? If the latter, as someone who has already been kicked out of Heaven, how would this be a punishment for Satan?
If the real point of the allegory of Adam and Even is in terms of spirituality, then additionally, what about the issue of these mythical fruit? There is no fruit that can provide either knowledge or eternal life. They are merely a mechanism (metaphor) for the overall purpose of the story, which is to explain why there is evil in the world and why people die. It's the Christian version of Pandora's Box and there's no way the story can be taken literally because certain literary passages within the story do not fit into reality, such as the events surrounding the serpent.
Thanks for the critique, I enjoyed it.
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